APU received the first batch of new armored vehicles "Novator"

The Armed Forces of Ukraine received the first batch of domestic-made armored vehicles Novator. This was reported by the press service of the company "Ukrainian armored vehicles", which is a manufacturer of armored vehicles.

According to the company, the armored car was created on the Ford 550 chassis with reinforced rear suspension. The design used foreign components, of which at least 50%. The curb weight of the vehicle is 6845 kg. The maximum speed of the car on the highway 140 km / h. The armored car is equipped with an 6,7-liter turbodiesel rated at 300 hp. (895 Nm) and 6-speed automatic transmission. Tires have Ran-Flat bulletproof inserts. The car overcomes steep slopes of up to 60 degrees and slopes of 50 degrees. Fuel tank - on 160 liters. Cruising range - up to 700 km.

The machine is offered in various variants for ballistic protection, in particular from M80 cartridges of caliber 7,62x51 mm (from a distance of 30 meters, speed 835 m / s), from bullets SS109 of caliber 5,56 mm (30 m, 900 m / s) and NATO cartridge MX193 5,56XX mm (45 meters, 30 m / s). There is mine protection against hand grenades, fragments and artillery shells.

Crew - 2 person, also in the back seat can accommodate three more. In the cargo compartment there is a place for seating and a place for fixing a sanitary stretcher is provided. Three sides of the cargo compartment recline. Side panels can be easily removed to facilitate loading / unloading and transportation of goods of various sizes.

For the first time this armored car was introduced in 2017 under the name "Warta Innovator" as created specifically for units of the National Guard of Ukraine.

Comments

[The leader of the Redskins]

Well, I picked up on this news yesterday "cons" By the way, in the photo I counted at least 10 of the transmitted armored vehicles. So about individual parties, you can not gloat.

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

So about individual parties, you can not gloat.

If I am not mistaken: "Patrols" were also not delivered in units to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And then they began to fall apart at the seams ...

[Thrall]

There is mine protection against hand grenades

from "stretch marks" or what?

For the first time this armored car was presented in 2017 under the name "Varta-Novator"

And the b / a "Varta" is made on MAZ units. I am glad that now there are no Belarusian components.

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: Thrall

from "stretch marks" or what?

If you consider that the chassis of the Ford 550 - mine base is most likely missing. So yes - from stretch marks.

Quote: Thrall

I am glad that now there are no Belarusian accessories.

That's for sure . Although it may be MAZ komplektuha just in 50% of imported parts is included.

[TermNachTer]

Hanging armor on a civilian chassis is definitely a losing option. Such ersatz - armored cars, can only be used to disperse demonstrations or to transport valuables (people), but in the Donbass a slightly different situation.

[svp67]

Quote: Thrall

from "stretch marks" or what?

Also drew attention to this ... the list has it all

There is mine protection against hand grenades, fragments and artillery shells.

In addition to the mines themselves, the caliber of the shells is not clear. But it can be assumed that there is no mine defense, and this is not good. And yet, purely visual, the cars look beautiful ...

[Professor]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

So about individual parties, you can not gloat.

If I am not mistaken: "Patrols" were also not delivered in units to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And then they began to fall apart at the seams ...

Fard reliable base for such cars. Proven by thousands of users. True, Ford 350 is usually taken as the base, but I do not think that Ford 550 is worse.

[sabakina]

Oleg, do not think. Need to work. Need to work.

[Professor]

Quote: sabakina

Oleg, do not think. Need to work. Need to work.

You must always think. I read- Ford F550 reliable unit. The people love him.

PS
High resolution photo of the Ukrainian papalaz.
https://21stcenturyasianarmsrace.com/2018/03/02/armored-cars-ukrainian-armor-varta-novator/

[tracer]

You can think anything. But these are beautiful disposable showerheads. The chassis of such vehicles is NOT provided for such loads. No frame, no shock absorbers, no gearboxes with engines. And they are assembled just like the previous ones. And the armor is exactly the same as the first masterpieces. On the first versions of these cardboard machines, armored bodies were simply welded to the frame. It's simple .. I don’t know yet. It is unlikely that something has seriously changed.

[Professor]

Quote: tracer

You can think anything. But these are beautiful disposable showerheads. The chassis of such vehicles is NOT provided for such loads. No frame, no shock absorbers, no gearboxes with engines. And they are assembled just like the previous ones. And the armor is exactly the same as the first masterpieces. On the first versions of these cardboard machines, armored bodies were simply welded to the frame. It's simple .. I don’t know yet. It is unlikely that something has seriously changed.

The chassis of the commercial Ford F-350 are widely used for Israeli armored cars. There are no complaints indicated by you. Of course this is not Oshkosh, but copes with the task of an armored jeep. The chassis of the Ford 550 is no worse.

This Wolf is created on the chassis of Ford F550. No complaints.

[tracer]

This you have no complaints. As well as competencies with real data. You understand booked cars in much the same way as other topics of V.O. You are an amateur who pulls out superficial facts for any topic with a little more time (you are a pensioner) to "confirm" your conclusions. Tell the Americans about it. They do not know that on the basis of civilian F 350, F 550 it is possible to make wonderful military fighters. Oshkoshi have been invented and developed for years, and only then put into service. The fact that these shushpants are cheap to manufacture and spare parts can be found by anyone and anywhere and leave them a niche in this market. They simply can withstand even half of the track of any test site. Your cars ride something like on the flat roads of the desert. And you don't need a lot of them. Only for this they are used by the police, nothing more.
,

[Professor]

Quote: tracer

This you have no complaints. As well as competencies with real data. You understand booked cars in much the same way as other topics of V.O. You are a dilettante who pulls out superficial facts for any topic with a little more time (you are a retired) to "validate" your conclusions.

Passed by my personality. Are you satisfied?
I won't ask you about the "real data" of the low reliability of armored cars on the Ford chassis.

Quote: tracer

Tell the Americans about it. They don’t know that on the basis of the civilian F 350, F 550, you can make wonderful military fighters. OShoshi invent and refine for years, and only then put into service. The fact that these showerheads are cheap to manufacture and spare parts can be found by anyone and anywhere and leave them a niche in this market. They simply will withstand even half the track of any test site.

I will tell about this to Brazilians, Georgians, Ethiopians, Macedonians and Romanians. I will tell them that they are suckers and in vain bought these armored cars at the base of Ford F550. They had to pay several times more and buy an Oshkosh to protect them from shooting, but it was better to immediately tanks ...
By the way, these machines are not designed for the battlefield. However, like the Ukrainians. This papelac is intended for the so-called. "current security" (ביטחון שוטף).

About the complaints. There is none of them. We are happy with the car. The motor resource is excellent. A bunch of spare parts. Service and repairs are carried out at Ford branded garages. Cheap and guaranteed. The army continues to buy cars based on the Ford F350 and F550. They continue to be supplied for export, including the South Koreans who do not understand anything in automotive technology.

Quote: tracer

Your cars ride a bit like the smooth desert roads. And you do not need a large number of them. Only for this reason they are used by the police in your country no more.

You know better.

[tracer]

The Georgians and the Macedonians are a very powerful army. What to talk about. Are not hicks only with ambition? You can tell me whatever you want. Just related to the production of these machines. And knowledgeable, one might say, better than yours. And I know better what problems arise with these machines. And I know all the assembly technology from buying a base with a cab from a dealer to loading it to the recipient. And I know very well how Ford instantly jumps off the warranty after the gearbox or the suspension is closed. With the answer "not provided by the design". And all the charm of the service staff (which is almost never performed by the manufacturer of armored vehicles) falls on them. Army of Ethiopians with Romanians probably only you are considered armies. Their purchase of this rubbish is indicative.

[Professor]

Quote: tracer

Georgians with the Macedonians are, well, a powerful army. What to talk about. Are not the only people with ambition? You can tell me anything. Just related to the production of these machines. And I am aware, one might say, better than yours. And I know better what problems arise with these machines. And I know all the assembly technology from buying from a dealer a base with a cabin to loading to the recipient. The army of ethers with the Romanians is probably the only army you consider. Their purchase of this trash is indicative.

Willingly I believe that you were engaged in the construction of the Sand Katov in Sas and the Wolfs in Karmor. Moreover, at both enterprises at the same time. In your speech, you forgot the following customers:
Azerbaijan
Bulgaria
Canada
Colombia
Kazakhstan
Mexico
Nigeria
poland
South Korea
Sweden
Ukraine,
Are you all fools?

PS
Oshkosh, yes it is he. Created an Ford armored car based on a commercial chassis. Gap pattern?
Seeking better protection from roadside bombs used by insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan, Oshkosh Corp. has developed a new military patrol vehicle - built on a Ford truck chassis - to keep US troops safer.

[timeout]

Quote: professor

Willingly I believe that you were engaged in the construction of the Sand Katov in Sas and the Wolfs in Karmor. Moreover, at both enterprises at the same time.

Oleg, he built everything and everywhere). Was Gutorov's chief "analyst", well, he also tyril armor plates.

[Professor]

Quote: Timeout

Quote: professor

Willingly I believe that you were engaged in the construction of the Sand Katov in Sas and the Wolfs in Karmor. Moreover, at both enterprises at the same time.

Oleg, he built everything and everywhere). Was Gutorov's chief "analyst", well, he also tyril armor plates.

I looked at his comments in his profile. Boorish manner of communication is his strong point. However, I am not writing to him, as you might have guessed.

[tracer]

You are definitely an impostor and not a professor. I had nothing to do with your affairs in the desert sandbox. There is another place where these little train turtles make. By the way, the Oshkosh L-ATV was created using components of the same GM with a Duramax engine and Allison transmission.

[timeout]

Quote: tracer

You are definitely an impostor and not a professor.

"Tracer" you at least check the Old ... Prof of course, he is still a fan of discussing, but he checks the Old. Especially with regard to Israel, he actually told you about "SandCat". And its chassis is Ford, so again you are broken off.

https://www.army-technology.com/projects/oshkosh-sandcat/

[Professor]

Quote: tracer

You are definitely an impostor and not a professor.

I am a professor of sour cabbage soup. This topic is closed.

Quote: tracer

I had nothing to do with your affairs in the desert sandbox

->

Quote: tracer

Just related to the production of these machines. And I am aware, one might say, better than yours.

That is, to THIS machines you had nothing to do, but "knowledgeable"? The curtain.

Quote: tracer

There is another place where these little train turtles make.

For example?

Quote: tracer

By the way, the Oshkosh L-ATV was created using components of the same GM with a Duramax engine and Allison transmission.

->

Quote: tracer

OShoshi invent and refine for years, and only then put into service.

Oshkoshi have been "inventing" for years the Israeli Sand Cat based on the Ford F350 by converting it into a V-shaped bottom and making it into an MRAP with the help of the same Israeli company Plasan, KEP. In your opinion, the oshkosh doesn't understand car chassis and their reliability?

http://archive.jsonline.com/business/96475494.html/

[timeout]

Quote: tracer

And I know better what problems arise with these machines. And I know all the assembly technology from buying a base with a cabin from a dealer to loading it to the recipient. And I know very well how Ford instantly jumps off the warranty after the gearbox or the suspension is closed. With the answer "not provided by the design"

Yes, "tracer" again you are for your own ... Continuation of the tale - "How I assembled armored cars in Canada, without work experience and specialized education" ... To know everything about the technology and the specifics of working with suppliers, you need to be at least a process engineer. I wonder where the contract sergeant got such knowledge before jumping over the "hill"?

[timeout]

Quote: tracer

Afraid of skipping such a hype hype?

Once again, ha ... English-speaking you are ours, do you know the essence of the term? Apparently not! Hype is the definition of unfair advertising, and speaking in English, no one uses this word in conversations. So, "Canadian", again the expression is not the topic. Learn English...

[bobba94]

The Poles bought one Dozor armored car, and now the Ukrainian Armed Forces buys a Polish Oncilla armored car, a licensed copy of Dozor. With Turkey on drones the same story. It's quite simple with China, the Chinese do not promise anything in the future, but simply buy up in bulk all those. documentation of SE Antonov, Motor Sich, etc. on the little things. Ukraine is like in that old commercial - a kind soul and a heart of gold. Heh heh.

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: bobba94

kind soul and golden heart.

Crookedly sharpened brains and pens forgot.

[Alexander Petrov1]

Probably even steel on armor is imported, the chassis is understandable, but after all, when it was almost no # 1 in Europe in steel production, it’s a shame.

[Alexander Petrov1]

Armored personnel carrier "Novator" - only there is nothing innovative and is not expected ...

[Teberii]

50% of the nodes are foreign, but what about repairing such equipment with you, and also carry a truck of spare parts.

[rhino]

And foreign cars, even Chinese ones, break down badly ???

[Lopatov]

The problem is not that they "break down a lot", the problem is that they do it at the worst time and in the worst place

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Spade

the problem is that they do it at the most unfortunate time and in the most unfortunate place

And spare parts are far in the West and are very expensive because if you buy an imported product, then the contract contains the supply of spare parts, which are much cheaper than one-time purchases, for different types of spare parts ..

[TermNachTer]

By the way, this problem already existed. I don’t remember on which Bandera armored vehicles they installed diesel felts "Doyts", roofing felts "Daimler". Then they suddenly began to fail, due to the clumsy little hands of the ukromekhvodov. And when they rushed to repair them, it turned out that the nearest service center is located in Poland. First, the engine had to be removed from the car, taken to customs - customs clearance. Take to Poland, customs clearance. Take to the factory, repair. Then customs clearance again, then customs clearance again. How fun it was?

[rhino]

Something seems to me that you invented this campaign. There has never been such information in our media. Just do not start about our corrupt and junta-controlled media. There was NO such information, you cannot hide this with us.

[rhino]

So it is with all technology. Nobody canceled the "law of meanness".

[Ascold1901]

The military machine operates in extreme conditions. Therefore, a comparison with a simple car ... Well, incorrectly ..

[Amin_vivec]

the car must drive through mines under the bullets - no, it does not break at all, and after 20 years, only from the factory

[tracer]

Everything breaks brauha .. Everything, not even broken, and especially those who are sure that it does not break.

[RUSS]

Quote: Teberii

50% of the nodes are foreign, but what about repairing such equipment with you, and also carry a truck of spare parts.

Our Tigers originally came with the Cummins B-205 engine.

[Lopatov]

Quote: RUSS

Our Tigers originally came with the Cummins B-205 engine.

Because it was originally developed for the Bin Jabr Group from the Emirates.

[RUSS]

Quote: Spade

Quote: RUSS

Our Tigers originally came with the Cummins B-205 engine.

Because it was originally developed for the Bin Jabr Group from the Emirates.

Russian engine for the Tiger
YaMZ-534- is also not 2016% Russian: it was developed in collaboration with the Austrian company AVL and initially consisted largely of imported components. But in 75, their localization level reached 80% with a further yield of XNUMX%. Together with this engine, the Tiger received a "hump on the nose": since the YaMZ is larger than the Cummins, a characteristic elevation appeared on the armored hood.

[Lopatov]

Quote: RUSS

Russian engine for the Tiger
YaMZ-534- is also not completely Russian: it was developed in cooperation with the Austrian company AVL

This does not disprove the fact that the cummins engine was installed on the Tiger at the request of the development customer from the UAE

[PSih2097]

Quote: Spade

This does not disprove the fact that the cummins engine was installed on the Tiger at the request of the development customer from the UAE

as well as in the civilian version for internal use ...

[Lopatov]

Quote: PSih2097

as well as in the civilian version for internal use ...

It seems not civil. As far as I know, there initially, including an unarmored version, was developed, like the Humvee.
And only then, like again at the Humvee, they decided to bring this version to the civilian market

[PSih2097]

with cummins of civilians there were two spirit pickups and four doors + type armored under 3 + ... a friend had both versions of the "tiger", he wanted to buy, but the dollar went up.

[Lopatov]

Quote: PSih2097

two spirit pickups and four doors

Nimr light utility vehicle
Unarmored version.

[dvina71]

Quote: RUSS

YaMZ-534- also not completely Russian

Absolutely .. In the early 2000s, a series of diesels was developed .. 3,4, 6 and 2000 cylinder. Then the ready-made ones were given to an Austrian company for "fine-tuning" ... to facilitate obtaining European certificates. Naturally, the prototypes were collected from imported components ... I remind you ... the beginning of the XNUMXs. And as production volumes increased, so did localization. At the moment, this is fuel equipment, and as far as I know, there is a replacement. The pump and nozzles are definitely produced in Yaroslavl and at AZTA ..

[TermNachTer]

Please name the cost of this armored car. Even for such a ridiculous army as zbroyny syla banderland - 10 pcs. - it's not about anything. I think that the next cut of the budget - and nothing more.

[Thrall]

Quote: TermNachTER

Please name the cost of this armored car

5-7 million gr.

[TermNachTer]

I'm embarrassed to ask - where does this data come from? Chassis cost, armor, assembly, etc. The company urgently needs to be renamed into "Philanthropist Ltd."

[PSih2097]

Quote: TermNachTER

Please name the cost of this armored car.

go to the hansa ...

[PSih2097]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

10 transmitted armored vehicles

they are already being sold on the Hansa - a price tag of 5 kk rubles apiece ...

[Prahlad]

Looks good. In general, good luck to them in production!

[Lopatov]

Quote: Prahlad

Looks good. In general, good luck to them in production!

The machines of the founders of this trend, the Rhodesians and the Yuarovites, looked simply disgusting. But they were very, very effective.

Therefore, the appearance cannot be decisive in determining the usefulness of a model of weapons

[Professor]

Quote: Spade

The machines of the ancestors this direction, Rhodesians and Yuarovtsy, looked just disgusting. But they were very, very effective.

The Ukrainian armored car has never been a MRAP. That is, not at all. Therefore the ancestors this direction, Rhodesians and Yuarovtsy, have nothing to do with the NORMAL armored SUV, CEP. Learn the materiel.

[Lopatov]

Link to the fact that this machine does not have protection against explosions.

[Professor]

Quote: Spade

Link to the fact that this machine not has protection against explosions.

Link from you to what it is MRAMmr fat troll. It was you who came up with this. The developer does not mention this. Lied or fantasized? Can you confirm your fantasies? A rhetorical question.

Educational program. The papelats manufacturer also created two MRAPs on the MAZ-5434 (4x4) chassis and on the ZIL-131 (6x6) chassis. Both have V-shaped bottoms. Protection class - STANAG 4569 level 2. The "Novator" described in the article does not apply to MRAPs. Quite, CEP. You got into a puddle and start, as always, spinning around demanding references that this is "not". Fat troll.

[Lopatov]

Quote: professor

Link from you to the fact that it is MRAM

Did I say that? You're lying. and lying .... Shame on you ...

Well, will your statements be confirmed by links, or not?
Or, as usual, a dozen posts with the statement that I am obliged to confirm your reasoning with links? Well, with the usual transition to personality, how could you be without it ...

[Professor]

Quote: Spade

Did I say that? You're lying. and lying .... Shame on you ...

Yah?

Quote: Spade

The machines of the founders of this area, Rhodesians and Yuarovtsylooked just disgusting. But they were very, very effective.

I am embarrassed to ask that besides the MPI these glorious pale-faced inhabitants of Africa came up with? Is it not the armored car on which Lenin spoke?

[Lopatov]

Quote: professor

I am embarrassed to ask that besides the MPI

I’m embarrassed to ask, do you know that at the time of the appearance of the term MRAP Rhodesia no longer existed?
I did not say that it was MRAP, here you are clearly lying.

After all, I wrote not about protection against mines, but about the massive semi-handicraft and handicraft cut into "armored vehicles" of ordinary serial civilian vehicles.

Well, there will be a link. or as usual?

[Professor]

Quote: Spade

I did not say that it was MRAP, here you are clearly lying.

You claimed:

Quote: Spade

The machines of the founders of this trend, the Rhodesians and the Yuarovites, looked simply disgusting.

Which direction?

Quote: Spade

After all, I wrote not about protection against mines, but about the massive semi-handicraft and handicraft cut into "armored vehicles" of ordinary serial civilian vehicles.

Yes?????????????
Did the Africans come up with a massive semi-handicraft and handicraft drunk into the "armored vehicles" of ordinary serial civilian vehicles? Seriously? Will we remember Al Capone's Cadillac, or will we decide that decades later Africans became the founders? How are we going to get out, Lopatov?

[Lopatov]

Quote: professor

Yes?????????????
Do Africans come up with the first armored commercial vehicles? Seriously?

Well again ..
Professor, you cannot read or cannot lie without lies?
Like Russian and white "о massive пolucustic and artisanal sawed into "armored objects" of ordinary serial civil vehicles."
For example, "Armadillo" sawed 30 pieces

So there will be links, or are you going to lie and squirm further?

[Professor]

Quote: Spade

Quote: professor

Yes?????????????
Do Africans come up with the first armored commercial vehicles? Seriously?

Well again ..
Professor, you cannot read or cannot lie without lies?
Like Russian and white "о massive пolucustic and artisanal sawed into "armored objects" of ordinary serial civil vehicles."
For example, "Armadillo" sawed 30 pieces

So there will be links, or are you going to lie and squirm further?

Let's go further to dunk Loptov in his own ...
The Ukrainians, on the basis of a serial commercial Ford F550, created an armored car, the founders of such an idea were the pale-faced inhabitants of Africa. However, the BA-20, a Soviet light armored car of the 1930s (1930s, Karl), developed on the chassis of a serial GAZ-M1 passenger car, was produced from 1936 to 1942. Say hello to Africa. BA-20 as well as "Novator" is produced not handicraft, but at the enterprise. So what have Africans got to do with it, Karl? How are we going to get out, Lopatov?

[Lopatov]

Quote: professor

Let's go further to dunk Loptov in his own ...
Ukrainians based on the serial commercial Ford F550 created an armored car, the founders of such an idea are the pale-faced inhabitants of Africa. However, the BA-20, the Soviet light armored car of the 1930s (1930s, Karl), developed on the chassis

So the question is 100 million What cars DISASSEMBED Soviet workers to Redo them in the BA-20

It looks like this is not "dunk", this is the second time in a puddle.

Once again, I repeat my previous question.
Professor, you cannot read or cannot lie without lies?
Like Russian in white "about the massive semi-handicraft and handicraft cut into "armored vehicles" of conventional serial civil cars."

I'm still waiting for links from you. I do not hope?

[Professor]

Quote: Spade

Like Russians in white "about the massive semi-handicraft and handicraft cut into" armored vehicles "of ordinary serial civilian vehicles."

So, what have Africans to do with BA-6, FAI, BA-10, BA-11, Karl? Soviet engineers created armored cars based on commercial cars long before the Africans. This is exactly what Ukrainians did. You sat in a puddle again, Carl. Adieu, Monsieur is a fat troll.

[Lopatov]

Quote: professor

So, what have Africans to do with BA-6, FAI, BA-10, BA-11, Karl?

Is it really that hard ???
Taking a ready-made production car and making an "armored vehicle" out of it is one thing. And using the components and assemblies of serial cars in the development is quite another.
In the production of BA-6, FAI, BA-10, BA-11 not a single finished car was damaged. NOT ONE Carl

In short, you lie, attributing to me what I did not write. And now by all means get out. Which should have been proved.
Incidentally,

Quote: Spade

Link to the fact that this machine does not have protection against explosions.

[Professor]

Quote: Spade

Is it really that hard ???
Taking a ready-made production car and making an "armored vehicle" out of it is one thing. And using the components and assemblies of serial cars in the development is quite another.
In the production of BA-6, FAI, BA-10, BA-11 not a single finished car was damaged. NOT ONE Carl

The drain is not included. I have half an hour. What is the difference in the creation of "FAI" on the basis of the commercial "Ford A" and Novator based on the "Ford F550". And what place are the Africans here? It is advisable with links to sources, and not your slides, the fifth point in the pan. Type of reasoned answer. Although, from whom I demand arguments.

[Lopatov]

Quote: professor

The drain is not counted.

Your? Even as it was counted, I never saw any links.

And a little educational program. "Ford" supplied to Soviet Russia components and assemblies of Ford-A, Ford-AA, Ford-Timken cars since 1929 Not ready-made cars, but assemblies and assemblies.
Therefore, there was no need to disassemble the finished cars (like the Rhodesians and South Africans)

Quote: professor

It is advisable with links to sources, and not your slides, the fifth point in the pan. Type of reasoned answer. Although, from whom I demand arguments.

In a post from 16:20 I looked into the water ... Everything happened exactly as I expected. Instead of a link confirming your statements, I waited for a link request from me.
However, for you it is familiar, you do not know how to

In short, DRAINING. The link never appeared after 8 (eight, Carl) of your posts.

[Professor]

Let's sum up.

-Ukrainian engineers armored the chassis of a commercial Ford, as Soviet engineers did in the distant 1930's. Not a fact even disputed by the troll Lopatov.
- The pale-faced African engineers did the same as the Soviet engineers in the 1930's, but only half a century later. Not a fact even disputed by the troll Lopatov.
-Ukrainian armored car has never been used by MRAP and the manufacturer does not even stutter about mine protection. Not a fact even disputed by the troll Lopatov.

Troll Lopatov moved out requires a link that there is NO mine protection Typical thick troll. Which was required to demonstrate.

All have a good weekend, and we have a good working week.

[Lopatov]

Quote: professor

Let's sum up.

Let's sum up.
1. You again pretended that my previous post does not exist. For you, a very frequent occurrence. A kind of "correct dyslexia" when you do not see at close range what does not suit you.
2. I didn’t see a link confirming your statement. Although he sought her for a long time.

Quote: professor

Typical fat troll.

Trying to insult in order to divert the conversation from the fact that you have completely flopped into a puddle.
Otherwise you can’t

Pay attention to this, without insults you can clearly do without. A kind of standard defensive reaction to your lack of arguments.

[Professor]

Do you like songs? I have them. BA-6 created on the chassis of the truck GAZ-AAA. 1930

[Lopatov]

Quote: professor

Do you like songs? I have them.

What, it became a shame, found the link? But no ...
It is sad.

[Professor]

Let's go further. Soviet armored car FAI 1930's. The armored car is made on the chassis of a Ford-A passenger car. Based at Ford, Carl. Just like the Ukrainians ripped off the idea of ​​the Africans (according to Lopatov). What we are going to do?

[Errr]

From the text of the article:

The car overcomes steep slopes of up to 60 degrees and slopes of 50 degrees.

Does he rise with a rope, or what? Climber...
Here, most likely, not degrees, but percentages.

[loki565]

Fierce UAZ may not be so)))

[Errr]

Impressed. It is unlikely that such a force is almost seven-ton armored.)

[Professor]

Quote: Herrr

From the text of the article:

The car overcomes steep slopes of up to 60 degrees and slopes of 50 degrees.

Does he rise with a rope, or what? Climber...
Here, most likely, not degrees, but percentages.

This is not the only blunder in the article. For example:
There is mine protection against hand grenades, splinters и artillery shells.
I think that "and" are superfluous.

[loki565]

This is not the only blunder in the article. For example:
There is mine protection against hand grenades, fragments and artillery shells.
I think that "and" are superfluous

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And suddenly ricochets)))

[Professor]

Quote: loki565

This is not the only blunder in the article. For example:
There is mine protection against hand grenades, fragments and artillery shells.
I think that "and" are superfluous

.
And suddenly ricochets)))

Zhigul-Mrap. Preved Lopatova. Where is it written that Lada NOT Mrap

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: professor

Where is it written that Zhigul NOT MIRAP?

Oleg Sokolov, one of the world's largest experts on the military history of Europe, the founder of the reconstruction movement in Russia, brutally murdered and dismembered 24-year-old Anastasia Yeshenko, with whom he had a love relationship.

It’s not you, huh?

[Professor]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: professor

Where is it written that Zhigul NOT MIRAP?

Oleg Sokolov, one of the world's largest experts on the military history of Europe, the founder of the reconstruction movement in Russia, brutally murdered and dismembered 24-year-old Anastasia Yeshenko, with whom he had a love relationship.

It’s not you, huh?

Not true. I did not dismember it. She herself.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: professor

She herself.

I thought so.

[Professor]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: professor

She herself.

I thought so.

He was an assistant professor, and a professor. The difference, although not big, but significant.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: professor

He was an assistant professor, and a professor. The difference, although not big, but significant.

Horseradish radish is not sweeter ...

[Okolotochny]

Hey Two Men! Or not Muzhik, but market ... ...... A man, a Woman, was brutally killed. Don't you get tired of death? Vova, are you a supporter of communism? And are you kidding at the death of a woman?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Okolotochny

And are you kidding at the death of a woman?

I didn’t think so. Listen, why are you turning my opinions upside down? What's the matter?

[Okolotochny]

I do not flip. This is not a topic for "sparkling humor and sarcasm." Professor on ... well you live here after all ???

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Okolotochny

This is not a topic for "sparkling humor and sarcasm."

The humor is that with an additive of bitterness. In my youth I liked one girl, and she jumped out for a similar "Napoleon", then swallowed pills. The girl was 23 years old, two children remained, that bastard quickly got away from the city.

Quote: Okolotochny

Well, you finally live here ???

The fact of the matter is that when such psycho teachers work, something is not right with our society.

[Okolotochny]

The fact of the matter is that when such psycho teachers work, something is not right with our society.

Volodya, and under the Union pedophiles did not work as teachers ??? For some single case, the whole country can make a diagnosis ??? And were the cannibals? And Chikatilo? Is society sick?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Okolotochny

Volodya, and under the Union pedophiles did not work as teachers ??? For some single case, the whole country can make a diagnosis ??? And were the cannibals? And Chikatilo? Is society sick?

Everything was, but less. And not so long ago we had a grandmother, a nurse, and a dandelion with an ax, peeling a man, no one was surprised. The other went nuts, I announced a statement to the opera neighbor that he had drilled a hole in her apartment, masked it with a carpet, and went to her at night, rearranged slippers.

[Okolotochny]

Correctly. Among the 140-odd million, anything can be.

[Cheerock]

Yes, I already wanted to comment, thanks))

[knn54]

Watch.Tritons, Cossacks ,, Warta.Now Innovator
And if you take into account that the Ukrainian Armored Equipment company was called differently - Ukrglavpak -production of plastic containers and wholesale, I do not want to comment further.
Although to disperse the rally retirees just right.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: knn54

"Ukrglavpak" -production of plastic containers and wholesale

No more words, just interjections,

[DeGreen]

A couple of years ago, he himself was a witness, APU representatives were looking in the ex-USSR for a company who would have reserved for them Nissan Patrols, Opel Frontera, and Volkswagen vans. It was planned to use them as: Patrol- machine gun / mortar tractor
Frontera as a reconnaissance vehicle. A transporter is like a landing delivery vehicle.

[orionvitt]

Interestingly, like everything was noted, but the option 7,62x54 was forgotten. Come on, the ballistic characteristics with NATO ammunition of this caliber are almost compatible. But this cartridge still remains the main one in the territory of the former Soviet Union. And many countries. Or such an aspiration to join NATO that one need not even mention the "probable enemy".

[YOUR]

Machine and car. The fact that they will not be much in the army is understandable. The Ukrainian defense industry will not pull the mass production of complex auto equipment.
For some characteristics there are questions. In terms of armor protection, NATO ammunition is considered. What are they going to fight with them? Our ammunition cartridges will probably be cooler.
There is mine protection against hand grenades, fragments and artillery shells. As I read the characteristics on the network, I tested the protection against the RGD-5 grenade.
I understand that for the cartridge 7.62 * 54R protection in a row will help. And from 7.62 * 39, 5.45 * 39 also does not protect very much. Because our cartridges are with a steel core, and their lead in the shell.

[tihonmarine]

According to the company, the armored car was created on the Ford 550 chassis with reinforced rear suspension. The design used foreign components, of which at least 50%

Well, what can I say. The assembly and hull are Ukrainian, everything else including the engine is foreign, the Utyos machine gun is Soviet. In my opinion it was cheaper to buy an imported product than to fence an expensive vegetable garden.

[Ratibor_SM]

It’s quite a suitable car for the army. Booking and protection from landmines and land mines certainly raises questions, but the management and patency of the landfill is not even bad. Well, the fact that this car has a huge amount of foreign parts - everyone wants to eat, they want kickbacks, they want contracts. Ukraine alone will not fight with anyone anyway.

[Operator]

Another ugly suburban handicraft such as "Silpo" - an armored chest of drawers on rickety wheels

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

It’s quite a suitable car for the army.

For what purposes is such a car suitable for the army? How to use it and where is it useful to Ukraine? If only as a patrol.

How to transport personnel? So this is for one compartment you need two such expensive jeeps, and besides carrying personnel they can’t do anything else and protection is not very good either.

As a platform for anti-tank systems - a very dubious thing.

Two jeeps per compartment is certainly comfortable, only two jeeps cost more, they consume more fuel and require more spare parts.

And given that this jeep from foreign components to saturate the army in sufficient quantities by them will be difficult.

Take the Russian analogue "Tiger", but also a jeep with not the best protection, especially in terms of mine protection, but it just fits a squad of 6-9 people. And the "Tiger" of Russia is relatively inexpensive, since it is produced from Russian components and is supplied to the troops in hundreds of pieces and is a universal platform.

In my opinion, the Ukrainian “Novator” jeep is not the most reasonable use of resources and not the most successful approach in terms of supplying personnel with equipment.

[Atlant-1164]

so is it .. is it a zrada, or is it overpowered now ??

[rotmistr60]

received the first batch of domestically produced "Novator" armored vehicles

Now a holiday for a week. I remember when Poroshenko solemnly handed over American (used) and glued the flag stickers with his own hand, the "people" then celebrated with songs and dances.

[DeGreen]

I remember the Georgians also created a super armored car Didgori. Pontus was like dirt. So what? There are videos on the Internet how one Didgori just falls apart on the go, bouncing on a bump. Or another video, where this Didgori was simply fired from the PKK and AKM, from a distance of 200 meters. And that’s it. Bobby died

[Penetrating]

Very beautiful machine!

[awg75]

with all my dislike for ukroskakunami car looks good.

[DeGreen]

And yet, by God, I saw it myself, Ukraine came up with the IRLB Characteristic. The reconnaissance vehicle is easily armored. Volkswagen Caddy-type heels and pies were sheathed with nano-sash (2 mm steel, 2 mm reinforced rubber, 2 mm fine-mesh grate, 2 mm steel)
Put in the back of a kulemet Maxim or NURSy and urrra forward to Moscow

[Kibl]

Another talk ....... about from UkrVPK ......

[tacet]

1. Another 7-8 marks and the rear service will hang.
2. Price at 50% of imported parts ?! But the rich have their own quirks.

[cost]

Squadron:

this is one of the many later alterations written by Athenogen Malakhov in 1871. anthem of the 1st Sunzhensko-Vladikavkaz Cossack regiment. In the original, it is as follows:

Regimental song of the Silver St. George standard of St. Bartholomew of the 1st Sunzhensk-Vladikavkaz Cossack regiment)
Cossacks walked by the river near the Terek
And they threw a hot arrow across the river

chorus:
Oys, Oys, do not be afraid for me
I’ll return home from the war, you don’t worry - 2 times

Ali, we are not Cossacks, or we are not tertsa,
Ali we do not love Sunzha and the Caucasus with all our hearts

chorus 2 times

Cossacks are not simpletons nice guys
even penniless, but they live richly!
in the Caucasus, all Cossacks are the most beautiful,
in the Caucasus, the Cossacks are the happiest.

chorus 2 times

Saber sharp my faithful girlfriend
A hot black horse, no, I’m better than a friend.
Cherkasy basal, frankincense on the heart
Wait dear, do not miss. Wait with the victory of Terza
chorus 2 times

[aries2200]

good motodryga for fishing firewood to the cottage from the forest to dig ....................

[Zaurbek]

The purpose of the machines is different.
If you need to travel a lot and be protected from bullets. - civilian chassis and civilian motor and armored hull. And, accordingly, a high resource of the machine. The tiger is not about this and Mrap, especially not about it.