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To replace the "Solntsepek": For the first time captured the flamethrower system "Tosochka"

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The first sketch images of a new development of the domestic defense industry complex were published on the Web, presumably capturing the TOS-2 system, which could replace the Solntsepek.


They appear in a patent for a new product. Apparently, the TOS-2 heavy flamethrower system is presented. Previously, she received the designation "Sock". According to the developer, the new weapon will have some advantages over previous samples of similar products.

Previous systems were located on a tracked platform. In a military campaign, they were accompanied by transport-loading vehicles designed to replenish ammunition. In the new version, they are no longer required, since TOS-2 are able to cope with this task on their own. This is achieved thanks to the installation of a special crane. As a result, the cost of operating the system is reduced and its mobility increases.

Apparently, the base is a three-axle off-road vehicle Tornado-U, manufactured at the facilities of the Ural Automobile Plant. It is assumed that the development of the new system will be completed in the first half of the 2020 year, and at the Victory Parade the general public will be able to see it.


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  1. Lopatov
    Lopatov 16 November 2019 10: 04 New
    +12
    Judging by the applied "fig" this is an image from a patent. It does not necessarily correspond to the real appearance of the future model of armament; one can judge by the same Coalition
    1. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 16 November 2019 10: 09 New
      +13
      hi
      Quote: Spade
      It does not necessarily correspond to the real appearance of the future model of armament; one can judge by the same Coalition

      I agree . Only six months are left before the Victory Parade - then we’ll see the appearance of “Socks”.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 16 November 2019 11: 03 New
        +7
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        I agree . Only six months are left before the Victory Parade - then we’ll see the appearance of “Socks”.

        And in the troops it will get the more resounding name "Toska" and the enemies naturally have "melancholy" sorrow.
        1. askort154
          askort154 16 November 2019 12: 26 New
          +11
          tihonmarine And in the army, she will get the more sounding name "Toska" and enemies naturally have a "longing" for sadness.

          Definitely, for them it will be "sorrow" - "sadness"!
          Because, as they have in their language there are no such affectionate ones.
          therefore Russian language - great and mighty ! hi
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 16 November 2019 12: 37 New
            +6
            Quote: askort154
            Definitely, for them it will be "sorrow" - "sadness"!
            Because, as they have in their language there are no such affectionate ones.
            Therefore, the Russian language is great and powerful!

            Toska quickly teach the "great and mighty." The Germans also quickly learned Katyusha and Hitler Kaput.
            1. Shurik70
              Shurik70 16 November 2019 17: 44 New
              +12
              That the "Sock", that the "Sun" should come very close to the enemy. And booking in this case is absolutely not superfluous.
              So the "Sunshine" is more reliable in this respect than the "three-axle car".
        2. ALEXXX1983
          ALEXXX1983 16 November 2019 15: 21 New
          -2
          Quote: tihonmarine
          And in the troops it will get the more resounding name "Toska" and the enemies naturally have "melancholy" sorrow.

          Judging by its base (a lightly armored truck, and not a tank, like Solntsepek), despite the fact that the launch range is far from that of at least Grad and therefore it will have to be used at the forefront ...
          I'm afraid everything will be exactly the opposite: Tosca is in the troops, Tosca is in the enemy.
          Well, but cheap, yes.
        3. Marconi41
          Marconi41 16 November 2019 19: 59 New
          0
          Quote: tihonmarine
          And in the army, she will get the more sounding name "Toska"

          Or maybe "Stopochka". Who knows...
      2. st2st
        st2st 16 November 2019 16: 03 New
        -1
        Pasha, hello, the scope of the new TOC, as I understand it, is limited. 3-5 km. And what prevents the mortar calculation of a potential enemy to cover this car? Zilch turns out. I am not special in land weapons. But, it’s obvious, one salvo of Israeli CARDOM mortars, firing at 6-7 km, levels the entire effectiveness of TOS-2.
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 16 November 2019 19: 23 New
          +1
          Do not think up: deployment - 5 minutes, a full salvo takes half a minute, another 5 minutes to leave the firing line for the same 3-5 km - where and with what you were going to cover the installation, if the mortar calculations are already 5 minutes old, how are they fried?
          So after all, the deployment does not go in the open field under the looks from the binoculars!
          1. st2st
            st2st 17 November 2019 04: 40 New
            -1
            Volley for 5 m ??? This is not Shoigu to fight with the bartenders in Syria. And where to get the thermal traces from the volley, from the installation engine.? Stop practicing hats for fun. The system, in my opinion, is suitable, only applicable in the punishment of barmalei, and of countries that do not have modern means of detection. And by the way, you don’t have to sit in the open field to find the target. This I am telling you as a specialist. Overseas radar "Wave" place of my service
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 17 November 2019 07: 33 New
              +1
              But who will be interested in the traces of the installation, which has already changed its position?
              Yes, unes, I see, they do not want to form at all ... crying
            2. 9lvariag
              9lvariag 14 December 2019 14: 55 New
              0
              Quote: st2st
              Volley for 5 m ??? This is not Shoigu to fight with the bartenders in Syria. And where to get the thermal traces from the volley, from the installation engine.? Stop practicing hats for fun. The system, in my opinion, is suitable, only applicable in the punishment of barmalei, and of countries that do not have modern means of detection. And by the way, you don’t have to sit in the open field to find the target. This I am telling you as a specialist. Overseas radar "Wave" place of my service

              But where did you get so many Zeon sectarians from? Another sect of witnesses Pletdator, Nagmachon, Azharit, Nammer, SPAKE NLOS, CARDOM, UPAB Popete launched from foreign air lines?
              1. You can think of the brave genocidtschiki of the Arabs, all their life they’re fighting not with lazy sheep shepherds, who have obsolete equipment, improvised SRZO, TRK from the stages of the Kub and Kvadrat anti-aircraft missiles. Like, they selflessly reflect strikes, drovers of operational tactical missiles with SBN, shepherds of powerful shock UAVs sitting for thousands of kilometers. from Israel, at sea they are hacked on equal terms, by armada of hypersonic bomb carriers and squadrons of submarines with supersonic rocket-propelled aircraft! Well, I did not see such a false and pathos propaganda even during the time of Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev in the early 1980s .-))))
              2a. For "sworn friends" with their own means of detection and Iron Kumpol, there are other means of delivery. There are NURS, KMB, UAB / UPAB, KRBD. Including with cassette warheads and ODBCh. We can also check the effectiveness, as in CA. Yes, I'm afraid the world famous lobby will immediately pull on holokost.
              2b. The whole trouble of this country is the small size of the eastern theater of war. If someone competently conducted the company, then within 24 hours they would have fettered the enemy’s actions and either left for the neighboring Arab countries or surrender. This is if without SBCH on the BRDS, which are not "but if necessary, we will launch them." We know that the types of weapons supplied by the USSR to the countries of the Middle East theater of operations were often excessive for such a theater of operations. Example Tu-22R or MiG-25, S-200D.
        2. hydrox
          hydrox 17 November 2019 09: 04 New
          0
          You would have left the tactics to the higher command, otherwise the sofa was thoroughly perforated ... they probably know better where the mortars are better to suppress using the Su-34, and where it is better to use the Acacia for this
          1. st2st
            st2st 17 November 2019 13: 36 New
            -3
            I actually was interested in the opinion of a specialist, and not a paid MEMBER of "United Russia". Calm down, false patriot shit
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 16 November 2019 10: 18 New
      -1
      yes there actually aren’t particularly other variations))) wheeled chassis and launcher) outwardly most likely this will happen. the whole intrigue is only in the charging system and how it will actually look)
    3. Maz
      Maz 16 November 2019 11: 04 New
      +3
      Well, we’re not standing still, and it’s already good, but we'll see, it won’t be worse and the system is excellent!
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 17 November 2019 07: 39 New
        0
        And no one argues, but they are very interested in the time of preparation for the next salvo ... what can you say about this?
  2. GTYCBJYTH2021
    GTYCBJYTH2021 16 November 2019 10: 05 New
    -33
    Enemies -so here-are going to a bunch, flocks-herds-burn, they say, we .....
    1. SeregaBoss
      SeregaBoss 16 November 2019 10: 27 New
      +23
      Mind you can’t shine, but you must shine with a boot. This is about you. And at the headquarters they will figure out who and when, to burn ...
      1. GTYCBJYTH2021
        GTYCBJYTH2021 16 November 2019 12: 15 New
        -25
        At the headquarters, I understand, YOU did not sit, but the craftsman betray and plunder the warehouses ..
      2. GTYCBJYTH2021
        GTYCBJYTH2021 16 November 2019 12: 20 New
        -24
        Ensign, apparently, an army. Are you?
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 16 November 2019 21: 31 New
          +4
          Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021
          Ensign, apparently, an army. Are you?

          I also started as the midshipman of the Marine Corps, the commander of the DRG group. In your opinion, I robbed the fighters, but I myself ate “one mug”.
        2. 9lvariag
          9lvariag 14 December 2019 15: 05 New
          0
          Another fan of wargame, the C&C series General Zero & Tiberium War and Warhammer 40000, Commpani of Hero. And all the good people .....
        3. 9lvariag
          9lvariag 14 December 2019 15: 07 New
          0
          What have you not ensigns ensigns? On them, that the whole SA held that the Russian Defense Ministry is holding on now. In fact, most of all in the 1990s, TAM rifled underground, colonels and generals / admirals. How do I know: do not ask. I think your rudeness is inappropriate and shameful, for the employee of the Ministry of Defense. So indiscriminately accuse everyone of theft. so you can add that all the flyers are mugs and pasta.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 16 November 2019 10: 51 New
      +25
      Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021
      Enemies -so here-are going to a bunch, flocks-herds-burn, they say, we ....

      Oddly enough, but this is the case. Enemies are simply forced to "pile up" to fulfill their tasks.
      Units dispersed evenly in space will not receive a chance to win.
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 16 November 2019 11: 54 New
        0
        Quote: Spade
        Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021
        Enemies -so here-are going to a bunch, flocks-herds-burn, they say, we ....

        Oddly enough, but this is the case. Enemies are simply forced to "pile up" to fulfill their tasks.
        Units dispersed evenly in space will not receive a chance to win.

        yes I agree with you Lopatov. So it is. It remains to be hoped that the headquarters will be the one who understands how to use all this happiness.
      2. GTYCBJYTH2021
        GTYCBJYTH2021 16 November 2019 12: 32 New
        -26
        So burned the enemies "units", "punites" or even there, with your help, or so, for balabolstvo here you, citizen? I authorize you not to answer my question.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 16 November 2019 12: 39 New
          +14
          Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021
          So burned the enemies "units", "punites" or even there, with your help, or so, for balabolstvo here you, citizen? I authorize you not to answer my question.

          And this is a question, not a stream of consciousness?
          If so, try to formulate it again. To make it understandable not only to you.
          1. 9lvariag
            9lvariag 14 December 2019 15: 15 New
            0
            So it puffs (Andrei), from his own pathos and arrogance. Shovels, it’s better to write your opinion please about the possibilities of such a SRZO and generally the need for a wheelbase for delivering a “package to the point”. It seems to me risky to put PU guides and start-up equipment on wheels. After all, the speed of run along the highway is not the main thing even for a European theater of operations, with a radius of damage of only 10-15 km.! It would be better to focus on accuracy, equipping two-way coded communication channels and control centers in real time, a portable weather station, active protection of control panels, masking control panels.
      3. BARKHAN
        BARKHAN 16 November 2019 19: 08 New
        +4
        Quote: Spade
        Units sprayed evenly in space

        good This, more like the consequences of using a nuclear bomb ...
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 16 November 2019 15: 33 New
      +3
      Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021
      Enemies, such here are gathering in a heap, flocks, herds, burn, they say, us.

      But what, of course, they are going to have a crowd of gorilochki to drink, bacon to bite, and then "Toska" to the "point" and Hitler kaput.
    4. ltc35
      ltc35 16 November 2019 16: 15 New
      +1
      And in a bunch, and flocks. Especially if there is one shelter for the whole district. Then they will be burned.
    5. Fevralsk. Morev
      Fevralsk. Morev 16 November 2019 16: 47 New
      -11
      Right. Ikspert's couch article. The wonderful words are "supposed", "apparently". Do not pay attention to the disadvantages of ur-Putriots.
  3. bars1
    bars1 16 November 2019 10: 05 New
    -2
    Barmaley convenient to drive on a wheeled chassis. The system does not channel against another adversary.
    1. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 16 November 2019 10: 38 New
      +7
      What seriously does not channel? Because armor doesn’t break through, or are there a lot of hit points? laughing

      Your conclusions are strange.
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 16 November 2019 12: 16 New
        -9
        Quote: Lord of the Sith
        What seriously does not channel? Because armor doesn’t break through, or are there a lot of hit points? laughing

        Your conclusions are strange.

        Do you understand what this is all about? Or do you climb sites for it and don’t pay for smart mowing? The site did not confuse? At least once about a gun which for the sake of visibility what printed. laughing
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 16 November 2019 13: 13 New
          +7
          Listen, Observer, I'm all the same from the LPR, so do not confuse))

          I would say where he served, once an avatar with the DNI.
          Or just an observer?
          1. Observer2014
            Observer2014 16 November 2019 13: 16 New
            -11
            Quote: Lord of the Sith
            Listen, Observer, I'm all the same from the LPR, so do not confuse))

            laughing Ага. yes Tell me straight from Alpha Centauri. laughing
          2. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 16 November 2019 13: 40 New
            +8
            Quote: Lord of the Sith
            I would say where he served, once an avatar with the DNI

            Nowhere did he serve. This is a gaster from Ukraine, lives in Sochi. All the rest is show off.

            I answer for the words, if that yes
            1. Lord of the Sith
              Lord of the Sith 16 November 2019 14: 28 New
              +4
              Well then everything is clear with him, and with his unfounded claims))
            2. Tenet
              Tenet 16 November 2019 18: 06 New
              +2
              why don't they ban him ...!? rushing because of him, not childish ...!?)
            3. Tenet
              Tenet 16 November 2019 18: 17 New
              +2
              and you're right ... here on the "reporter" I found it ...
              Observer 2014 (Sergey) Today, 15:26
              -1
              And when did you live in Europe? In order to compare with Europe it was possible.
        2. Rusj
          Rusj 16 November 2019 13: 49 New
          +2
          It seems that you’ve messed up sites! At least once ............. at least you held the gun in your hands.
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    2. knn54
      knn54 16 November 2019 11: 22 New
      0
      Regarding wheeled chassis, the Saudis did not really like the Solntsepek after operating a tracked chassis in the desert.
      And another feature of "Socks" is the presence of AI.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 16 November 2019 12: 41 New
        +2
        Quote: knn54
        the Saudis did not really like the Solntsepek after operating a tracked chassis in the desert.

        Saudis are not an indicator. They are on the drum, what kind of base- and wheeled and tracked equipment do they use disgustingly
  4. Angrybeard
    Angrybeard 16 November 2019 10: 37 New
    +3
    But the range is 3 km? Only from closed positions then, and even with them from the mortar can not be protected. The machine must enter the position very quickly, immediately discharge and tick. And in the cockpit are harsh samurai.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 16 November 2019 10: 49 New
      +8
      Quote: Angrybeard
      But the range is 3 km? Only from closed positions then, and even with them from the mortar can not be protected.

      It is from the closed. And the mortar can not be afraid.

      Quote: Angrybeard
      The machine must enter the position very quickly, immediately discharge and tick.

      Actually, this is true for any existing artillery gun. mortar or installation.
      Not more than a minute and leave the fire. Otherwise they’ll cover it.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 16 November 2019 11: 23 New
        +2
        Quote: Spade
        And the mortar can not be afraid.

        No, I still have goosebumps from this “little baby”.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 16 November 2019 11: 34 New
          +10
          Before the opening of fire, the car is safe, after opening, it leaves the position. Therefore, the mortar is not a danger.
          Of course, under the security conditions. Fighting UAVs, obstructing the operation of reconnaissance stations of moving ground targets, etc. In short, "wash your hands before eating"
    2. Rusj
      Rusj 16 November 2019 13: 52 New
      +4
      3.6 range minimum and up to 6 km, and this is the oldest missiles. we teach a part
  5. Alex_You
    Alex_You 16 November 2019 10: 46 New
    0
    Deliveries of the new TOS "Tosochka" are scheduled from 2018 year
    https://topwar.ru/121068-postavki-novoy-tos-tosochka-zaplanirovany-s-2018-goda.html
    Something went wrong? Since the 17th year, neither video nor photo is just a sketch. And for half a year at the parade they will show, it is doubtful.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 16 November 2019 11: 19 New
      +3
      Quote: Alex_You
      Something went wrong?

      Yeah. No money.
      There is technically nothing complicated at all. Install the existing multiple launch rocket system on the available base chassis. It is available even to Syriac to terrorists rebels. And Ukraine.
  6. Well done
    Well done 16 November 2019 11: 03 New
    +1
    Beautifully bum. The whole world is certainly not in pieces, but the barmaley fries nobly.
  7. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 16 November 2019 11: 48 New
    -2
    The equipment of the launch vehicle and the charging devices looks doubtful. What the hell, autonomy, if without the transportation of shells, Tosochka is a simple cart that is not suitable for anything. To complicate a combat unit, to hang things on it, damage in battle of which makes the installation of the same cart, in my opinion, stupidity. The use of transport-charging equipment is the right decision. It is doubtful to transport shells with ANY mode of transport, the shells are too specific to be safely transported by a steam locomotive.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 16 November 2019 11: 54 New
      +5
      Quote: wkd dvk
      The equipment of the launch vehicle and the charging devices looks doubtful. What the hell, autonomy

      Americans have been using such a system for 35 years, and it seems they don’t complain.

      Quote: wkd dvk
      the shells are too specific to be safely transported by a steam locomotive.

      Strictly speaking, TZM are not intended for the supply of ammunition.
    2. hydrox
      hydrox 17 November 2019 08: 01 New
      0
      TZM is the engineering equipment of the near rear: it was fired back and ran to reload and wait for the order to enter the position. And there’s absolutely no reason to drag TZU to the front line!
  8. Ratibor_SM
    Ratibor_SM 16 November 2019 12: 41 New
    0
    The most important thing in Tosochka is to solve the problem with the firing range. She is very small for such a powerful weapon.
  9. Klingon
    Klingon 16 November 2019 13: 20 New
    0
    Quote: carstorm 11
    yes there actually aren’t particularly other variations))) wheeled chassis and launcher) outwardly most likely this will happen. the whole intrigue is only in the charging system and how it will actually look)

    + maybe a little more ammunition flight range will increase))
  10. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 16 November 2019 13: 25 New
    +1
    Quote: Spade
    Quote: wkd dvk
    The equipment of the launch vehicle and the charging devices looks doubtful. What the hell, autonomy

    Americans have been using such a system for 35 years, and it seems they don’t complain.

    Quote: wkd dvk
    the shells are too specific to be safely transported by a steam locomotive.

    Strictly speaking, TZM are not intended for the supply of ammunition.

    The main thing in any business is not an example of others. An example can prove anything, and refute anything. The logic of building a system. Sober calculation. Knowledge of the combat situation. And out of many conflicting requirements (I am a designer, I have experienced in my own skin that there are no easy solutions found on the pages of books and magazines). Only the hardest choice out of a million is "impossible." An ideal machine is one that does not exist.
  11. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 16 November 2019 13: 27 New
    +2
    sooo useful thing recommended video views in poland preferably daily very good potion for Russophobia
  12. Slon1978
    Slon1978 16 November 2019 13: 48 New
    0
    This undertaking is doubtful and meaningless. Except for export for Arabs who like to go to war in comfort and do not drive off an asphalt highway. There are several questions: 1) Where will this Tosochka on a wheelbase go? Its firing range does not exceed 5 km, it is necessary to sneak closer to the enemy and give a volley. And if on that side there is only a swamp or forest, or is there a single road, but is it mined or shot by mortars? 2) Work from 5 km is the distance to launch ATGMs or to fire 82 mm mortars, the Toosochek’s battery can be easily covered. To work on the enemy at close range, only armor is needed. 3) During the operation of the Grad, the machine swings noticeably, especially when the block of guides is directed away from the longitudinal axis. The weight of the TOC shot is much more, how stable will the wheeled chassis be, and how will this affect accuracy? A second salvo after a miss will no longer be allowed to ... For a melee weapon, a CBT on a wheeled chassis is good if it is a mistake, not an intentional "development" of the budget. Few remained in storage of T-72 in Russia? Take their bodies and do TOS-1A. If you set the task for the designers, I’m sure they can install a telescopic boom or other equipment for reloading on a tank chassis.
    1. Rzzz
      Rzzz 16 November 2019 19: 14 New
      +2
      Quote: Slon1978
      ... rather than the deliberate "development" of the budget

      “Ural” does Deripaska, comments are superfluous.
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 17 November 2019 08: 06 New
        0
        Ну и что?
        An extra reason for reprivatization in the state concern. laughing
  13. certero
    certero 16 November 2019 13: 55 New
    0
    Wheel system assumes a significant range
    1. Slon1978
      Slon1978 16 November 2019 14: 03 New
      0
      I would like to hope so. But there are no miracles. If only our research institutes have not invented a more energy-efficient gunpowder for charging TOC, then the range can be increased only by reducing the weight of the warhead.
  14. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 16 November 2019 14: 11 New
    +1
    Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021
    Enemies -so here-are going to a bunch, flocks-herds-burn, they say, we .....

    Sprayed enemies will be burned by other means.
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 17 November 2019 08: 08 New
      0
      No need to burn widespread enemies, this prey for sonderkommand and filters ...
  15. garri-lin
    garri-lin 16 November 2019 15: 37 New
    0
    And again for a replacement. What kind of replacement can we talk about? In addition, most likely. An unarmored and impenetrable vehicle will not replace a tank platform.
  16. serge siberian
    serge siberian 16 November 2019 17: 53 New
    0
    The wheel is speed, compared to goose platforms. But on off-road and snow, sand and wetlands, this is not an ice. Yes, and the shells do not fly far. But, let’s assume that the projectile goes 7-10 km, which is already good, however, the machine itself will not reload from nothing, will it be transported on anything? Or will the trailer be dragged along with it the same launcher? repeat
  17. Monar
    Monar 16 November 2019 20: 08 New
    0
    For amers, the SZO is charged with a package. We (today) have single shots.
    Humble opinion. Automatic loader for such a system, and will be generally incomparable.
    1. dvina71
      dvina71 16 November 2019 23: 26 New
      +2
      Quote: Monar
      For amers, the SZO is charged with a package

      Salvo? For American systems, it’s somehow ... tense ...
      By the end of the second world artillery detection system, they could be detected within a few minutes after the opening of fire. Therefore, the artillery systems moved to a self-propelled chassis .. fired five shells and gas. For RSOs, this is the time to shoot one package and then bring down .., and what kind of reloading after that .. so important?
      1. Monar
        Monar 17 November 2019 06: 59 New
        0
        Yes. MLRS M270 MLRS. Here the article was recently.
        https://topwar.ru/163292-amerikanskij-grad-rszo-m270-mlrs.html
        Just in my amateurish opinion, loading with a package seems more convenient than a single "pencil".
        and what kind of recharge after that .. so important?
        Why not? The package is gone. Piled up. 9 minutes to go. Minute to recharge. And another package is gone. Yes, at least for those who tried to fight back.
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  18. Nycomed
    Nycomed 16 November 2019 22: 09 New
    0
    But flamethrowers, like snipers, were not taken prisoner ... sad
  19. Maxim V.
    Maxim V. 17 November 2019 01: 10 New
    0
    Allah Akbar ..... as the Middle Eastern barmalei would say :))))))))))))))
  20. Maxim V.
    Maxim V. 17 November 2019 01: 12 New
    0
    Quote: Monar
    For amers, the SZO is charged with a package. We (today) have single shots.
    Humble opinion. Automatic loader for such a system, and will be generally incomparable.

    What are you talking about, LOSER ?? :))))))
  21. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 17 November 2019 03: 23 New
    +2
    The Solntsepek system includes transport-loading vehicles (TZM) ... the TOS-2 is not included ... But all the same, ammunition carriers in one form or another will be needed! In general, the main "benefit" will be consist in the fact that for TOS-2 it will be possible to use different non-specialized (and, therefore, cheaper ...) transport vehicles that can be "taken out of staff" of the system (complex) ...
  22. Fevralsk. Morev
    Fevralsk. Morev 17 November 2019 03: 54 New
    -3
    Quote: tihonmarine
    To "Toska" brought longing for "DAIShevsky barmaley"

    What barmalei now? For the fourth time they report victory in Syria. A train even with trophies travels around the country.
    1. Pandiurin
      Pandiurin 18 November 2019 00: 56 New
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      What barmalei now?

      In Syria, there, barmaleis of different varieties of some have now reduced the pro-American Kurds there, and the Central Asian republics on the border with Afghanistan have been established in the CIS. There recently, sometimes some kind of movement began to occur. Barmalei mattresses were taken to Afghanistan. So, help with technology to the former republics is quite possible.
  23. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 17 November 2019 11: 18 New
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    Quote: Monar
    For amers, the SZO is charged with a package. We (today) have single shots.
    Humble opinion. Automatic loader for such a system, and will be generally incomparable.

    Right And carry the ammunition pack with you, the size of a train. wagon and carrying capacity of a hundred tons. True, it will be difficult to provide difficulties for the accurate positioning of shells in the cartridge. The manipulator will not catch the devil knows where the projectile is thrust. In the tank, although this is all a single design, and the ammunition is not on a trailer or hinges. And given the small distance at which shells can be thrown, this is just a gift to the enemy. So much gasp at once with such simple means.
  24. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 17 November 2019 11: 43 New
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    Quote: hydrox
    You would have left the tactics to the higher command, otherwise the sofa was thoroughly perforated ... they probably know better where the mortars are better to suppress using the Su-34, and where it is better to use the Acacia for this

    If the front was ironed by SUSHKI, then what will these irons do? Who to iron?
    And you can track not a hot track AFTER shooting, but BEFORE shooting.
    Exactly, you are building strategies on the couch, not in the field.
  25. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 17 November 2019 11: 50 New
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    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    The Solntsepek system includes transport-loading vehicles (TZM) ... the TOS-2 is not included ... But all the same, ammunition carriers in one form or another will be needed! In general, the main "benefit" will be consist in the fact that for TOS-2 it will be possible to use different non-specialized (and, therefore, cheaper ...) transport vehicles that can be "taken out of staff" of the system (complex) ...

    At the same time, it’s easy to arrange the delivery of waste vehicles to the ADVANCED (?), I agree. And you can mobilize everything, up to civilian cars "Niv". But, here to fiddle with reloading under fire, being in the trenches of the front line, is that how? And if this is still risky, and when shooting, you need to tear the claws to the rear, then to hell, you ask to drag these hydraulic stray on a hump? They, after all, are already waiting there, in the rear, and are ready to quickly throw new ammunition on (relatively) light, small-sized, and easy-to-operate shooting machines. Agree, all this nonsense, only adds what is absolutely not necessary in the trench? And finally, with hydraulics that are not protected in any way, the machine becomes more vulnerable, isn't it? The smallest splinter in a hydrostand, and ....
  26. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 17 November 2019 12: 06 New
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    Quote: Maxim V.
    Quote: Monar
    For amers, the SZO is charged with a package. We (today) have single shots.
    Humble opinion. Automatic loader for such a system, and will be generally incomparable.

    What are you talking about, LOSER ?? :))))))

    He does not understand that. The automatic loader for a meter-long projectile is one thing, and for a six-meter projectile, it’s far, another. That the machine knows exactly where he has, in which cassette lies what is needed, and he knows where this cassette is. accurate to a fraction of a millimeter (this is all a single structure), then the trailer with shells can not be placed so exactly in the position needed for the machine, it is impossible even on the concrete floor in the workshop, and, especially, in the trench.
  27. 9lvariag
    9lvariag 14 December 2019 14: 59 New
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    Quote: st2st
    Volley for 5 m ??? This is not Shoigu to fight with the bartenders in Syria. And where to get the thermal traces from the volley, from the installation engine.? Stop practicing hats for fun. The system, in my opinion, is suitable, only applicable in the punishment of barmalei, and of countries that do not have modern means of detection. And by the way, you don’t have to sit in the open field to find the target. This I am telling you as a specialist. Overseas radar "Wave" place of my service

    2. Aha: "An unknown submarine deliberately, treacherously and rudely, deeply entered the territorial waters of Izrail! After the discovery of its actions by a destroyer, the submarine retreated to the West!" - This recent comment from izrailskih media - well, made my evening. I neighing like a pedal horse. So he laughed that he tore his stomach and fell to the floor from the sofa. :) Let them at least check their editors for sexual concern, what is it. Yes, and where would she return to? East to the desert?
    Zadolbali ban ban names of some countries. So we get to the tolerant writing of "black people" instead of black people.
  28. 9lvariag
    9lvariag 14 December 2019 15: 24 New
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    Quote: Lord of the Sith
    Listen, Observer, I'm all the same from the LPR, so do not confuse))

    I would say where he served, once an avatar with the DNI.
    Or just an observer?

    Would I read about wheeled tanks NTR or scrap to read? Or about the wheeled self-propelled gun "Rhino", in South Africa (the only one in the world). In fact, TOS-1A is not a weapon model (unexpectedly), but somewhere a mobile and more secure replacement and addition to the UR-77 "Gorynych". This is not exactly a missile defense system, but an engineering machine for passing highly echeloned enemy defenses, long minefields, zones of continuous chemical and biological contamination. This is not a "smart weapon" - it is a forced tool! If other delivery vehicles do not fit. And the regional conflicts of the 1990s, 2000s, proved it.
  29. 9lvariag
    9lvariag 14 December 2019 15: 31 New
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    Quote: Serge Siberian
    The wheel is speed, compared to goose platforms. But on off-road and snow, sand and wetlands, this is not an ice. Yes, and the shells do not fly far. But, let’s assume that the projectile goes 7-10 km, which is already good, however, the machine itself will not reload from nothing, will it be transported on anything? Or will the trailer be dragged along with it the same launcher? repeat

    Speed ​​is only among Arabs and Europeans with their autobahns. and who needs a scorched ODBC city with entire autobahns, before it? Is that to the Eurogames themselves.
  30. 9lvariag
    9lvariag 14 December 2019 15: 35 New
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    Quote: wkd dvk
    Quote: Monar
    For amers, the SZO is charged with a package. We (today) have single shots.
    Humble opinion. Automatic loader for such a system, and will be generally incomparable.

    Right And carry the ammunition pack with you, the size of a train. wagon and carrying capacity of a hundred tons. True, it will be difficult to provide difficulties for the accurate positioning of shells in the cartridge. The manipulator will not catch the devil knows where the projectile is thrust. In the tank, although this is all a single design, and the ammunition is not on a trailer or hinges. And given the small distance at which shells can be thrown, this is just a gift to the enemy. So much gasp at once with such simple means.
    But did the Swedes of VK really load the cassette of five rounds with separate shells, and didn’t the rack-mounted self-propelled gun load on the PZh2000? Isn’t it cooler at Carus-Maffei, one at a time to overload from a drum in the TZM or the same at the Swedish Archer?
  31. 9lvariag
    9lvariag 14 December 2019 15: 38 New
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    Quote: Monar
    Yes. MLRS M270 MLRS. Here the article was recently.
    https://topwar.ru/163292-amerikanskij-grad-rszo-m270-mlrs.html
    Just in my amateurish opinion, loading with a package seems more convenient than a single "pencil".
    and what kind of recharge after that .. so important?
    Why not? The package is gone. Piled up. 9 minutes to go. Minute to recharge. And another package is gone. Yes, at least for those who tried to fight back.

    There accuracy is worse. and amers on figs, where to lay out the shot containers in the desert. In addition, the weight of the container with such a container increases. Optimally, this is a Swedish or German system with automatic loader and TZM.