To replace the "Solntsepek": For the first time captured the flamethrower system "Tosochka"

The first sketch images of a new development of the domestic defense industry complex were published on the Web, presumably capturing the TOS-2 system, which could replace the Solntsepek.

They appear in a patent for a new product. Apparently, the TOS-2 heavy flamethrower system is presented. Previously, she received the designation "Sock". According to the developer, the new weapon will have some advantages over previous samples of similar products.

Previous systems were located on a tracked platform. In a military campaign, they were accompanied by transport-loading vehicles designed to replenish ammunition. In the new version, they are no longer required, since TOS-2 are able to cope with this task on their own. This is achieved thanks to the installation of a special crane. As a result, the cost of operating the system is reduced and its mobility increases.

Apparently, the base is a three-axle off-road vehicle Tornado-U, manufactured at the facilities of the Ural Automobile Plant. It is assumed that the development of the new system will be completed in the first half of the 2020 year, and at the Victory Parade the general public will be able to see it.

Comments

[Lopatov]

Judging by the "fig" used, this is an image from the patent. It does not necessarily correspond to the real appearance of the future weapon model, according to the same "Coalition" one can judge

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: Spade

It does not necessarily correspond to the real appearance of the future weapon model, according to the same "Coalition" one can judge

I agree . Only half a year is left before the Victory Parade - then we will see the appearance of "Toosochka".

[tihonmarine]

Quote: bouncyhunter

I agree . Only half a year is left before the Victory Parade - then we will see the appearance of "Toosochka".

And in the army it will get a more sounding name "Toska" and among the enemies it is natural "longing" sadness.

[askort154]

tihonmarine And in the army it will get a more sounding name "Toska" and the enemies naturally have "longing" sadness.

Definitely, for them it will be "sorrow" - "sorrow"!
Because, as they have in their language there are no such affectionate ones.
therefore Russian language - great and mighty !

[tihonmarine]

Quote: askort154

Definitely, for them it will be "sorrow" - "sorrow"!
Because, as they have in their language there are no such affectionate ones.
Therefore, the Russian language is great and powerful!

"Toska" quickly teach "the great and mighty". The Germans also quickly learned Katyusha and Hitler Kaput.

[Shurik70]

That "Tosochka" that "Solntsepek" should come very close to the enemy. And booking in this case is not superfluous.
So "Solntsepёk" is more reliable in this respect than "three-axle car".

[ALEXXX1983]

Quote: tihonmarine

And in the army it will get a more sounding name "Toska" and among the enemies it is natural "longing" sadness.

Judging by its base (a lightly armored truck, and not a tank, like Solntsepek), despite the fact that the launch range is far from that of at least Grad and therefore it will have to be used at the forefront ...
I'm afraid everything will be exactly the opposite: Tosca is in the troops, Tosca is in the enemy.
Well, but cheap, yes.

[Marconi41]

Quote: tihonmarine

And in the army it will get a more sounding name "Toska"

Or maybe "Stop". Who knows...

[st2st]

Pasha, hello, the scope of the new TOC, as I understand it, is limited. 3-5 km. And what prevents the mortar calculation of a potential enemy to cover this car? Zilch turns out. I am not special in land weapons. But, it’s obvious, one salvo of Israeli CARDOM mortars, firing at 6-7 km, levels the entire effectiveness of TOS-2.

[hydrox]

Do not think up: deployment - 5 minutes, a full salvo takes half a minute, another 5 minutes to leave the firing line for the same 3-5 km - where and with what you were going to cover the installation, if the mortar calculations are already 5 minutes old, how are they fried?
So after all, the deployment does not go in the open field under the looks from the binoculars!

[st2st]

Volley for 5 m ??? It's not Shoigu to fight the barmaley in Syria. And what to do with the heat traces from the volley, from the engine of the installation.? Stop doing "hat shading". The system, in my opinion, is suitable, only applicable in punishing barmaley, and countries that do not have modern means of detection. And by the way, you don't have to sit in an open field to find a target. As a specialist I am telling you this. Over-the-horizon radar "Volna" my place of service

[hydrox]

But who will be interested in the traces of the installation, which has already changed its position?
Yes, unes, I see, they do not want to form at all ...

[9lvariag]

Quote: st2st

Volley for 5 m ??? It's not Shoigu to fight the barmaley in Syria. And what to do with the heat traces from the volley, from the engine of the installation.? Stop doing "hat shading". The system, in my opinion, is suitable, only applicable in punishing barmaley, and countries that do not have modern means of detection. And by the way, you don't have to sit in an open field to find a target. As a specialist I am telling you this. Over-the-horizon radar "Volna" my place of service

But where did you get so many Zeon sectarians from? Another sect of witnesses Pletdator, Nagmachon, Azharit, Nammer, SPAKE NLOS, CARDOM, UPAB Popete launched from foreign air lines?
1. You can think of the brave genocidtschiki of the Arabs, ALL their lives are at war not with lazy shepherds of sheep, who have obsolete equipment, homemade SRZO, TRK from the stages of anti-aircraft missiles "Kub" and "Kvadrat". Like, they selflessly repel the strikes, the drivers of operational tactical missiles with SBS, the shepherds of powerful shock UAVs sitting thousands of kilometers away. from Israel, at sea they are cut on equal terms, with armada of hypersonic bombers and squadrons of submarine cruisers with supersonic CRBD! Well, I have not seen such false and pretentious propaganda even during the time of Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev in the early 1980s .-))))
2a. For "sworn friends" with their own detection and Iron Kumpol, there are other delivery vehicles. There are NURS, KMB, UAB / UPAB, KRBD. Including with cluster warheads and ODBCH. We can also check the effectiveness, as in the CA. Yes, I'm afraid the world famous lobby will immediately pull on holokost.
2b. The whole trouble of this country is in the small size of the eastern theater. If someone had carried out the campaign competently, then within 24 hours he would have fettered the actions of the enemy and that would either go to neighboring Arab countries or surrender. This is if there is no SBS on the MRBM, which is not "but if necessary, we will launch them." We know that the types of weapons supplied by the USSR to the countries of the Middle East theater of operations were often redundant for such a theater of operations. An example of the Tu-22R or MiG-25, S-200D.

[hydrox]

You would have left the tactics to the higher command, otherwise the sofa was thoroughly perforated ... they probably know better where the mortars are better to suppress using the Su-34, and where it is better to use the Acacia for this

[st2st]

In general, I was interested in the opinion of a specialist, not a paid MEMBER of "United Russia". Calm down, shitty false patriot

[carstorm 11]

yes there actually aren’t particularly other variations))) wheeled chassis and launcher) outwardly most likely this will happen. the whole intrigue is only in the charging system and how it will actually look)

[Maz]

Well, we’re not standing still, and it’s already good, but we'll see, it won’t be worse and the system is excellent!

[hydrox]

And no one argues, but they are very interested in the time of preparation for the next salvo ... what can you say about this?

[GTYCBJYTH2021]

Enemies -so here-are going to a bunch, flocks-herds-burn, they say, we .....

[SeregaBoss]

Mind you can’t shine, but you must shine with a boot. This is about you. And at the headquarters they will figure out who and when, to burn ...

[GTYCBJYTH2021]

At the headquarters, I understand, YOU did not sit, but the craftsman betray and plunder the warehouses ..

[GTYCBJYTH2021]

Ensign, apparently, an army. Are you?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021

Ensign, apparently, an army. Are you?

I also started as a midshipman of the Marine Corps, the commander of the DRG group. According to you, I robbed the fighters, and I myself ate them in the same mug.

[9lvariag]

Another fan of wargame, C&C General Zero & Tiberium War and Warhammer 40000 series, Commpani of Hero. And all the good people ...

[9lvariag]

What have you not ensigns ensigns? On them, that the whole SA held that the Russian Defense Ministry is holding on now. In fact, most of all in the 1990s, TAM rifled underground, colonels and generals / admirals. How do I know: do not ask. I think your rudeness is inappropriate and shameful, for the employee of the Ministry of Defense. So indiscriminately accuse everyone of theft. so you can add that all the flyers are mugs and pasta.

[Lopatov]

Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021

Enemies -so here-are going to a bunch, flocks-herds-burn, they say, we ....

Strange as it may seem, this is the case. Enemies are simply forced to "gather in a heap" to complete their tasks.
"Units" evenly dispersed in space will have no chance of winning.

[Observer2014]

Quote: Spade

Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021

Enemies -so here-are going to a bunch, flocks-herds-burn, they say, we ....

Strange as it may seem, this is the case. Enemies are simply forced to "gather in a heap" to complete their tasks.
"Units" evenly dispersed in space will have no chance of winning.

I agree with you Lopatov. So it is. It remains to be hoped that the headquarters will be the one who understands how to use all this happiness.

[GTYCBJYTH2021]

So they burned out the enemies with "units", "punits" or else there, with your help, or so, for the balabolism, are you here, citizen? Allow me not to answer my question.

[Lopatov]

Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021

So they burned out the enemies with "units", "punits" or else there, with your help, or so, for the balabolism, are you here, citizen? Allow me not to answer my question.

And this is a question, not a stream of consciousness?
If so, try to formulate it again. To make it understandable not only to you.

[9lvariag]

So he swells (Andrey), from his own pathos and arrogance. Lopatov, please write your opinion about the possibilities of such a SRZO and, in general, the need for a wheelbase for delivery of the "package to the point". It seems to me risky to put PU guides and launch equipment "on wheels". After all, the speed of travel on the highway is not the main thing even for the European theater of operations, with a radius of destruction of only 10-15 km.! It would be better to focus on accuracy, equipping with two-way coded communication channels and real-time control centers, a portable weather station, active protection of the launcher, and masking the launcher.

[BARKHAN]

Quote: Spade

Sprayed evenly in space "units"

This, more like the consequences of using a nuclear bomb ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021

Enemies, such here are gathering in a heap, flocks, herds, burn, they say, us.

And how, of course, a crowd of gorilochki are going to drink, have a bite of lard, and then "Toska" to the "point" and Hitler kaput.

[ltc35]

And in a bunch, and flocks. Especially if there is one shelter for the whole district. Then they will be burned.

[Fevralsk. Morev]

Right. Article by sofa Ikspert. The wonderful words "supposed", "apparently". Do not pay attention to the minus of urYa-Putriots.

[bars1]

Barmaley convenient to drive on a wheeled chassis. The system does not channel against another adversary.

[Lord of the Sith]

What seriously does not channel? Because armor doesn’t break through, or are there a lot of hit points?

Your conclusions are strange.

[Observer2014]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

What seriously does not channel? Because armor doesn’t break through, or are there a lot of hit points?

Your conclusions are strange.

Do you understand what this is all about? Or do you climb sites for it and don’t pay for smart mowing? The site did not confuse? At least once about a gun which for the sake of visibility what printed.

[Lord of the Sith]

Listen, Observer, I'm all the same from the LPR, so do not confuse))

I would say where he served, once an avatar with the DNI.
Or just an observer?

[Observer2014]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

Listen, Observer, I'm all the same from the LPR, so do not confuse))

Ага. Tell me straight from Alpha Centauri.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

I would say where he served, once an avatar with the DNI

Nowhere did he serve. This is a gaster from Ukraine, lives in Sochi. All the rest is show off.

I answer for the words, if that

[Lord of the Sith]

Well then everything is clear with him, and with his unfounded claims))

[Tenet]

why don't they ban him ...!? rushing because of him, not childish ...!?)

[Tenet]

and you're right ... I found it on the "reporter" ...
Observer 2014 (Sergey) Today, 15:26
-1
And when did you live in Europe? In order to compare with Europe it was possible.

[Rusj]

It seems that you’ve messed up sites! At least once ............. at least you held the gun in your hands.

[knn54]

As for the wheeled chassis, the Saudis did not really like the "Solntsepek" after operating the tracked chassis in the desert.
And one more feature of "Tosochka" is the presence of AI.

[Lopatov]

Quote: knn54

the Saudis did not really like the Solntsepek after operating the tracked chassis in the desert.

Saudis are not an indicator. They are on the drum, what kind of base- and wheeled and tracked equipment do they use disgustingly

[Angrybeard]

But the range is 3 km? Only from closed positions then, and even with them from the mortar can not be protected. The machine must enter the position very quickly, immediately discharge and tick. And in the cockpit are harsh samurai.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Angrybeard

But the range is 3 km? Only from closed positions then, and even with them from the mortar can not be protected.

It is from the closed. And the mortar can not be afraid.

Quote: Angrybeard

The machine must enter the position very quickly, immediately discharge and tick.

Actually, this is true for any existing artillery gun. mortar or installation.
Not more than a minute and leave the fire. Otherwise they’ll cover it.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Spade

And the mortar can not be afraid.

No, I still get goosebumps from this "lyalka".

[Lopatov]

Before the opening of fire, the car is safe, after opening, it leaves the position. Therefore, the mortar is not a danger.
Of course, if safety conditions are met. Combating UAVs, obstructing the operation of reconnaissance stations for moving ground targets, etc. In short, "wash your hands before eating"

[Rusj]

3.6 range minimum and up to 6 km, and this is the oldest missiles. we teach a part

[Alex_You]

Deliveries of the new Tosochka TOS are planned from 2018 of the year

https://topwar.ru/121068-postavki-novoy-tos-tosochka-zaplanirovany-s-2018-goda.html
Something went wrong? Since the 17th year, neither video nor photo is just a sketch. And for half a year at the parade they will show, it is doubtful.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Alex_You

Something went wrong?

Yeah. No money.
There is technically nothing complicated at all. Install the existing multiple launch rocket system on the available base chassis. It is available even to Syriac to terrorists rebels. And Ukraine.

[Well done]

Beautifully bum. The whole world is certainly not in pieces, but the barmaley fries nobly.

[Vkd dvk]

The equipment of the launch vehicle and the charging devices looks doubtful. What the hell, autonomy, if without the transportation of shells, Tosochka is a simple cart that is not suitable for anything. To complicate a combat unit, to hang things on it, damage in battle of which makes the installation of the same cart, in my opinion, stupidity. The use of transport-charging equipment is the right decision. It is doubtful to transport shells with ANY mode of transport, the shells are too specific to be safely transported by a steam locomotive.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Vkd dvk

The equipment of the launch vehicle and the charging devices looks doubtful. What the hell, autonomy

Americans have been using such a system for 35 years, and it seems they don’t complain.

Quote: Vkd dvk

the shells are too specific to be safely transported by a steam locomotive.

Strictly speaking, TZM are not intended for the supply of ammunition.

[hydrox]

TZM is the engineering equipment of the near rear: it was fired back and ran to reload and wait for the order to enter the position. And there’s absolutely no reason to drag TZU to the front line!

[Ratibor_SM]

The most important thing in "Tosochka" is to solve the problem with the firing range. It is very small for such a powerful weapon.

[Klingon]

Quote: carstorm 11

yes there actually aren’t particularly other variations))) wheeled chassis and launcher) outwardly most likely this will happen. the whole intrigue is only in the charging system and how it will actually look)

+ maybe a little more ammunition flight range will increase))

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Spade

Quote: Vkd dvk

The equipment of the launch vehicle and the charging devices looks doubtful. What the hell, autonomy

Americans have been using such a system for 35 years, and it seems they don’t complain.

Quote: Vkd dvk

the shells are too specific to be safely transported by a steam locomotive.

Strictly speaking, TZM are not intended for the supply of ammunition.

The main thing in any business is not an example of others. An example can be used to prove anything and disprove anything. System building logic. Sober calculation. Knowledge of the combat situation. And from the many conflicting requirements (I am a designer, and I experienced the hard way that there are no easy solutions found on the pages of books and magazines). Only the hardest choice out of a million "no". The ideal car is one that doesn't exist.

[Ryaruav]

sooo useful thing recommended video views in poland preferably daily very good potion for Russophobia

[Slon1978]

This idea is doubtful and senseless. Is that for export for the Arabs, who like to travel to war in comfort and not leave the asphalt highway. There are several questions: 1) Where will this Tosochka go on a wheelbase? Its firing range does not exceed 5 km, it is necessary to sneak up closer to the enemy and fire a volley. And if there is only a swamp or a forest on that side, or there is only one road, but it is mined or shot with mortars? 2) Working with 5 km is the distance of launching an ATGM or firing an 82 mm mortar, the Toosochek battery can be easily covered. To work on the enemy at close range, you only need armor. 3) During the operation of the Grad, the machine sways noticeably, especially when the guide block is directed away from the longitudinal axis. The weight of the TOC shot is much greater, how stable will the wheeled chassis be and how will this affect accuracy? The second salvo after a miss will no longer be allowed to be made ... For melee weapons, TOS on a wheeled chassis is a good thing if it is a mistake, and not a deliberate "use" of the budget. Little in Russia left in storage of the T-72? Take their hulls and do TOS-1A. If you set a task to the designers, I am sure they will be able to install a telescopic crane boom or other equipment for reloading on a tank chassis.

[Rzzz]

Quote: Slon1978

... and not deliberate "use" of the budget

Deripaska makes "Urals", comments are unnecessary.

[hydrox]

Ну и что?
An extra reason for reprivatization in the state concern.

[certero]

Wheel system assumes a significant range

[Slon1978]

I would like to hope so. But there are no miracles. If only our research institutes have not invented a more energy-efficient gunpowder for charging TOC, then the range can be increased only by reducing the weight of the warhead.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021

Enemies -so here-are going to a bunch, flocks-herds-burn, they say, we .....

Sprayed enemies will be burned by other means.

[hydrox]

No need to burn widespread enemies, this prey for sonderkommand and filters ...

[garri-lin]

And again for a replacement. What kind of replacement can we talk about? In addition, most likely. An unarmored and impenetrable vehicle will not replace a tank platform.

[serge siberian]

The wheel is the speed, in comparison with the caterpillar platforms. But on off-road and snow, sands and wetlands this is not "ice". And the shells do not fly far. But, we will assume that the shell goes 7-10 km, which is already good, However, the car itself will not recharge from nothing, will the delivery be on what? Or will the trailer still be carried by the same launcher?

[Monar]

For amers, the SZO is charged with a package. We (today) have single shots.
Humble opinion. Automatic loader for such a system, and will be generally incomparable.

[dvina71]

Quote: Monar

For amers, the SZO is charged with a package

Salvo? For American systems, it’s somehow ... tense ...
By the end of the second world artillery detection system, they could be detected within a few minutes after the opening of fire. Therefore, the artillery systems moved to a self-propelled chassis .. fired five shells and gas. For RSOs, this is the time to shoot one package and then bring down .., and what kind of reloading after that .. so important?

[Monar]

Yes. MLRS M270 MLRS. Here the article was recently.
https://topwar.ru/163292-amerikanskij-grad-rszo-m270-mlrs.html
It's just that, in my amateurish opinion, loading with a package seems more convenient than one "pencil" at a time.

and what kind of recharge after that .. so important?

Why not? The package is gone. Piled up. 9 minutes to go. Minute to recharge. And another package is gone. Yes, at least for those who tried to fight back.

[Nycomed]

But flamethrowers, like snipers, were not taken prisoner ...

[Maxim V.]

Allah Akbar ..... as the Middle Eastern barmalei would say :))))))))))))))

[Maxim V.]

Quote: Monar

For amers, the SZO is charged with a package. We (today) have single shots.
Humble opinion. Automatic loader for such a system, and will be generally incomparable.

What are you talking about, LOSER ?? :))))))

[Nikolaevich I]

The "Solntsepёk" system includes transport-loading vehicles (TZM) ... they are not part of the TOS-2 ... But all the same, ammunition carriers will be needed in one form or another! In general, the main "benefit" will be lies in the fact that for TOS-2 it will be possible to use different non-specialized (and therefore cheaper ...) transport vehicles that can be "taken out of the state" of the system (complex) ...

[Fevralsk. Morev]

Quote: tihonmarine

So that "Toska" made the "Daesh barmaley"

What barmalei now? For the fourth time they report victory in Syria. A train even with trophies travels around the country.

[Pandiurin]

What barmalei now?

In Syria, there, barmaleis of different varieties of some have now reduced the pro-American Kurds there, and the Central Asian republics on the border with Afghanistan have been established in the CIS. There recently, sometimes some kind of movement began to occur. Barmalei mattresses were taken to Afghanistan. So, help with technology to the former republics is quite possible.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Monar

For amers, the SZO is charged with a package. We (today) have single shots.
Humble opinion. Automatic loader for such a system, and will be generally incomparable.

Right And carry the ammunition pack with you, the size of a train. wagon and carrying capacity of a hundred tons. True, it will be difficult to provide difficulties for the accurate positioning of shells in the cartridge. The manipulator will not catch the devil knows where the projectile is thrust. In the tank, although this is all a single design, and the ammunition is not on a trailer or hinges. And given the small distance at which shells can be thrown, this is just a gift to the enemy. So much gasp at once with such simple means.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: hydrox

You would have left the tactics to the higher command, otherwise the sofa was thoroughly perforated ... they probably know better where the mortars are better to suppress using the Su-34, and where it is better to use the Acacia for this

If the front was ironed by SUSHKI, then what will these irons do? Who to iron?
And you can track not a hot track AFTER shooting, but BEFORE shooting.
Exactly, you are building strategies on the couch, not in the field.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

The "Solntsepёk" system includes transport-loading vehicles (TZM) ... they are not part of the TOS-2 ... But all the same, ammunition carriers will be needed in one form or another! In general, the main "benefit" will be lies in the fact that for TOS-2 it will be possible to use different non-specialized (and therefore cheaper ...) transport vehicles that can be "taken out of the state" of the system (complex) ...

At the same time, it’s easy to organize the supply of waste vehicles to the ADVANCED (?), I agree. And you can mobilize everything, up to civilian Niv cars. But, here's to fiddle with reloading under fire, being in the trenches of the front line - what's that like? And if it's still risky, and having shot, you need to tear the claws to the rear, then what the hell, you ask, drag these hydraulic pribluda on the hump? They, after all, are already waiting there, in the rear, and are ready to quickly throw new ammunition on (relatively) light, small-sized, and easy-to-operate shooting vehicles. Agree, all this nonsense, only adds something that is absolutely not needed in the trench? And finally, with the hydraulics not protected in any way, the car becomes more vulnerable, doesn't it? The slightest splinter in the hydraulic rack, and ...

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Maxim V.

Quote: Monar

For amers, the SZO is charged with a package. We (today) have single shots.
Humble opinion. Automatic loader for such a system, and will be generally incomparable.

What are you talking about, LOSER ?? :))))))

He does not understand that. The automatic loader for a meter-long projectile is one thing, and for a six-meter projectile, it’s far, another. That the machine knows exactly where he has, in which cassette lies what is needed, and he knows where this cassette is. accurate to a fraction of a millimeter (this is all a single structure), then the trailer with shells can not be placed so exactly in the position needed for the machine, it is impossible even on the concrete floor in the workshop, and, especially, in the trench.

[9lvariag]

Quote: st2st

Volley for 5 m ??? It's not Shoigu to fight the barmaley in Syria. And what to do with the heat traces from the volley, from the engine of the installation.? Stop doing "hat shading". The system, in my opinion, is suitable, only applicable in punishing barmaley, and countries that do not have modern means of detection. And by the way, you don't have to sit in an open field to find a target. As a specialist I am telling you this. Over-the-horizon radar "Volna" my place of service

2. Aha: "The unknown submarine deliberately, treacherously and rudely entered the territorial waters of Izrail! After the destroyer discovered her actions, the submarine retreated to the West!" - this recent comment from izrailskih media - well made my evening. I whinnied like a pedal horse. He laughed so hard that he tore out his stomach and fell to the floor from the couch. :) Let them at least check their editors for sexual concerns, why and where would she return? East into the desert?
Zadolbali banned the names of some countries with a robot. So we get to the tolerant spelling "black people" instead of negroids.

[9lvariag]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

Listen, Observer, I'm all the same from the LPR, so do not confuse))

I would say where he served, once an avatar with the DNI.
Or just an observer?

Would you read about the NTR wheeled tanks or read for scrap? Or about the wheeled SPG "Rhino" in South Africa (the only one in the world). In fact, TOS-1A is not a sample of weapons (unexpectedly), but in some places a mobile and more secure replacement and addition to the UR-77 "Gorynych". This is not really an SRZO, but an engineering vehicle for passing highly echeloned enemy defenses, extended minefields, zones of continuous chemical and biological contamination. This is not a "smart weapon" - this is a forced weapon! If other means of delivery did not fit. And the regional conflicts of the 1990s and 2000s proved it.

[9lvariag]

Quote: Serge Siberian

The wheel is the speed, in comparison with the caterpillar platforms. But on off-road and snow, sands and wetlands this is not "ice". And the shells do not fly far. But, we will assume that the shell goes 7-10 km, which is already good, However, the car itself will not recharge from nothing, will the delivery be on what? Or will the trailer still be carried by the same launcher?

Speed ​​is only among Arabs and Europeans with their autobahns. and who needs a scorched ODBC city with entire autobahns, before it? Is that to the Eurogames themselves.

[9lvariag]

Quote: wkd dvk

Quote: Monar

For amers, the SZO is charged with a package. We (today) have single shots.
Humble opinion. Automatic loader for such a system, and will be generally incomparable.

Right And carry the ammunition pack with you, the size of a train. wagon and carrying capacity of a hundred tons. True, it will be difficult to provide difficulties for the accurate positioning of shells in the cartridge. The manipulator will not catch the devil knows where the projectile is thrust. In the tank, although this is all a single design, and the ammunition is not on a trailer or hinges. And given the small distance at which shells can be thrown, this is just a gift to the enemy. So much gasp at once with such simple means.

But did the Swedes of VK really load the cassette of five rounds with separate shells, and didn’t the rack-mounted self-propelled gun load on the PZh2000? Isn’t it cooler at Carus-Maffei, one at a time to overload from a drum in the TZM or the same at the Swedish Archer?

[9lvariag]

Quote: Monar

Yes. MLRS M270 MLRS. Here the article was recently.
https://topwar.ru/163292-amerikanskij-grad-rszo-m270-mlrs.html
It's just that, in my amateurish opinion, loading with a package seems more convenient than one "pencil" at a time.

and what kind of recharge after that .. so important?

Why not? The package is gone. Piled up. 9 minutes to go. Minute to recharge. And another package is gone. Yes, at least for those who tried to fight back.

There accuracy is worse. and amers on figs, where to lay out the shot containers in the desert. In addition, the weight of the container with such a container increases. Optimally, this is a Swedish or German system with automatic loader and TZM.