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India may acquire a British aircraft carrier

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Britain is counting on an Indian order involving the construction of an aircraft carrier. The chances of concluding this deal increased significantly after Chief Navy Admiral Karambir Singh pointed to the need for navy three ships of this type.

Against this background, Britain invited India to acquire an aircraft carrier similar to the HMS Queen Elizabeth, and build it at any shipyard of its own. In order to demonstrate the capabilities of Queen Elizabeth, she is soon scheduled to be sent to the Indian Ocean. In all likelihood, she will take part in joint exercises, which, possibly, will be distinguished by a grandiose scale.

Sources indicate that the Indian delegation has already visited the Rosyth Dockyard in Scotland, where the second Queen Elizabeth class ship, the HMS Prince of Wales, is currently being assembled.

Currently, the Indian Navy has one aircraft carrier of Russian origin, Vikramaditya, the second is supposed to be commissioned in the coming 24 months. Admiral Singh explained that along with them, a pennant with a displacement of 65 000 tons is needed, possibly with an electric engine and the CATOBAR system (the plane takes off with the help of a catapult, and landing is carried out using an aerofinisher).
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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 16 November 2019 08: 37
    +2
    Such an order ... A bold piece!
    But in general, to all readers of GOOD MORNING AND GOOD WEEKEND! wink
    1. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 16 November 2019 09: 39
      +6
      ... AND GOOD WEEKEND!
      But wasn’t it easier and more correct to wish a good weekend?
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 16 November 2019 17: 15
        +2
        Quote: rotmistr60
        But wasn’t it easier and more correct to wish a good weekend?

        People forgets about the weekend because this is an old native Russian, but "weekend" is already an introduction to Western civilization. And you just hear "birddey", "business lunch", "weekend" and "business baba".
    2. Bar2
      Bar2 16 November 2019 09: 51
      -2
      England for centuries robbed and tormented India, left a deliberately unresolved conflict over a piece of territory with Pakistan, so that they would be at enmity with each other, to trade with England is to agree with its own neocolonial policy. You must be friends with Pakistan against England.
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 16 November 2019 17: 16
        +2
        Quote: Bar2
        We must be friends with Pakistan against England.
        Pff, yes Indians at the household level still creep before the Anglo-Saxons. It seems that so many decades of independence have passed, but the habit has remained.
    3. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 16 November 2019 11: 47
      +1
      I do not argue - for the Britons, very good. They will load their plants with work for another three, four years. But for the Indians - what is the interest? They will have three different aircraft carriers, three different countries of manufacturers, with all the ensuing problems in supply, repair, and logistics. Tactical characteristics are different. They have nothing to spend money on?
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 16 November 2019 13: 50
        +1
        It will be possible to arrange a dance battle, and let the most beautiful win!
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 16 November 2019 16: 02
          0
          , a very expensive trough for a disco. You can find a cheaper option - every year in India, hundreds of old troughs are brought in for disassembly.
        2. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 16 November 2019 19: 11
          -1
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          dance battle

          Another European drew.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 16 November 2019 19: 13
            0
            Oh well, a dance contest, in case you don’t know how to irony.
            1. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 16 November 2019 19: 15
              0
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              Oh well, a dance contest, in case you don’t know how to irony.

              Thank. Dance contest - sounds good.
    4. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 16 November 2019 19: 08
      -2
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      WEEKEND!

      But we don’t know how to speak Russian?
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  3. rocket757
    rocket757 16 November 2019 08: 39
    +1
    For the British, then!
    Good order, good profit!
    There is a feature, of course, "Indian dances with a tambourine! But who, if not the British, know about that."
    1. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 16 November 2019 08: 51
      +6
      Hi Victor! soldier
      The Britons rolled their lips onto such a tidbit. Uncle Sam still did not say his weighty word. wink
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 16 November 2019 09: 16
        0
        Good morning Pasha soldier
        There would be quite a few who would like to fulfill such an order ... but now it’s quite obvious that the stripes, for such a tidbit, will crush ALL!
        True India, the customer is special! Seven Fridays they have a week ...
        In short, we'll see. A fairy tale affects for a long time, and when can it get to the point ???
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 16 November 2019 09: 19
          +4
          Quote: rocket757
          striped, for such a tidbit, will crush ALL!

          Undoubtedly.
          Quote: rocket757
          True India, the customer is special! Seven Fridays they have a week ...

          That's for sure . Just like a young lady with PMS. lol
          Quote: rocket757
          In short, we'll see.

          I feel, we will see those more dances ...
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 16 November 2019 17: 24
      0
      Quote: rocket757
      Good order, good profit!

      Now the construction of ships and especially ships is very expensive, orders are becoming smaller. And here such a freebie for Britons will tumble down, the shipyards will stay afloat and the kids will have enough milk.
  4. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 16 November 2019 08: 51
    +1
    If so, then the aircraft carrier aircraft group should be American. Otherwise, it makes no sense to fence the garden.
  5. Basarev
    Basarev 16 November 2019 08: 54
    +1
    Even miserable India can afford at least two aircraft carriers ... And we have one who, according to the residual principle and in all seriousness, says that the Russian carriers are not needed at all.
  6. knn54
    knn54 16 November 2019 09: 02
    +2
    Aircraft carrier mb and do, and what to do with the support of the AUG.
    ATTENTION "podlyanka" - the aircraft carrier provides for the basing of the F-35.
    It turns out the dilemma is to buy the S-400, then leave the aircraft carrier without airplanes due to sanctions.
    1. Corn
      Corn 16 November 2019 09: 54
      0
      In any case, they will not sell the F-35s to them, but not only they can take off the springboard, but also the Hornets, blink29k, and rafals.
      There is more and more a question of expediency, what for Hindus generally 3 aircraft carriers, and even on three different projects ...
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 16 November 2019 09: 35
    +1
    India may acquire a British aircraft carrier
    There is a desire and opportunities, let them acquire. This is their internal affair.
  8. Eug
    Eug 16 November 2019 09: 46
    +1
    Want to stop squeezing Sino-Pakistani ticks?
  9. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 16 November 2019 09: 48
    -1
    I am not special in the construction of the fleet, but I have a question: Will they not tear themselves from collecting scrap metal from around the world?
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 16 November 2019 12: 03
      0
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      They will not tear themselves from collecting scrap metal from around the world?

      By the way, I would like to know how they are doing business with the Brazilian São Paulo?
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 16 November 2019 17: 30
      0
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      They will not tear themselves from collecting scrap metal from around the world?

      They will take new ones from Britons, replace old ones. You don’t have to be a specialist here either. Shaving build well, high quality. It all depends on the thickness of the wallet.
  10. Old26
    Old26 16 November 2019 09: 48
    +5
    Quote: Squadron
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    Such an order ... A bold piece!

    I feel to the Indians, soon they will float all the AUGs, on the "cheap" hehe
    Russian supersonic "aircraft carrier killers" have radically changed the balance of forces and priorities in the world. hi

    Yeah. Already half a century as radically change and have not changed. Meehan! Didn’t you get tired of fooling?
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 16 November 2019 10: 34
      +3
      Meehan without urry, it's like a pool without water - a meaningless existence laughing
  11. Corn
    Corn 16 November 2019 10: 00
    0
    Navy chief admiral Karambir Singh pointed out the need for the fleet to have three ships of this type
    I’m even interested, did he somehow try to argue his decisions, or simply issued the number “I want to be the mistress of the sea” (c) and stamped her foot on the floor ??
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 16 November 2019 11: 07
      +1
      They adopted a new national maritime strategy / nvoein.ru/analitika/vms-indii-novaya-morskaya-strategiya/ /.
      And in it the aircraft carrier is in the first place ".... which, with American support, will receive an electromagnetic catapult, which will make it possible to increase both the takeoff weight and the launch speed of aircraft."
      And one argument is a noticeable strengthening of China. In contrast, India strengthens the fleet and aims at an alliance with the middle powers and the Indo-Pacific Command of the US Navy.
    2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 16 November 2019 11: 09
      +4
      Quote: Corn
      I’m even interested, he somehow tried to argue his decisions

      Karl, in India they perfectly understand the need for aircraft carriers for the navy, there is no need to prove something to someone there. It’s only we have phantom pains - subconsciously, that the aircraft carrier is a terrible weapon everyone understands, but it’s impossible to have our own, and excuses like “I didn't want to hurt” begin.
      In the USSR, at one time they branded them weapons of aggression and said that we did not need them, and this remained in the people's memory. That then, despite the mass of Tu-22, NKs and nuclear submarines with supersonic missiles (and in the 80's they were also inimitable, as hypersonic is now), the USSR eventually began to build its own - alas, no
      1. Corn
        Corn 16 November 2019 11: 32
        0
        Karl, in India they perfectly understand the need for aircraft carriers for the fleet,
        What is happening in India reminds me more of the “dream of reason” than the pragmatic and rational approach of sane people. I do not consider aircraft carriers to be a “terrible weapon of aggression”; moreover, more than once here on the forum I defended the point of view about their need for our Pacific fleet. BUT everything has its own limit, and why India absolutely does not need 3 aircraft carriers of different projects.
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 16 November 2019 19: 05
          +2
          Quote: Corn
          BUT everything has its own limit, and why India absolutely does not need why the 3 aircraft carrier of various projects is needed.

          Here, alas, everything is simple. They grabbed "Vikramaditya" because they did not want to be left without AV, but there was nothing else in general. Own aircraft carrier (low-tonnage) has become a long-term construction and most likely does not seem to be the optimal solution any more after the fleet has worked with Vikramaditya.
          The bottom line is that the displacement greatly affects the effectiveness of the AB, and perhaps the Indians have matured to something more or less large, and do not want to bet on small ABs anymore
  12. GTYCBJYTH2021
    GTYCBJYTH2021 16 November 2019 10: 01
    -2
    The Indians have where to go ... sail on aircraft carriers ..... The seas are always warm there ...... Why did Russia order helicopter carriers from the French?
  13. Berkut24
    Berkut24 16 November 2019 10: 39
    0
    Given the fact that many countries are intensively working on the development of weapons systems against aircraft carriers and AUG in general, the aircraft carrier itself is becoming more of a status rather than a key player at sea. Those. The Indians, with their strange attitude to technology, dubious training of specialists and experience in warfare on the water, simply decided to buy "a little status" in order to measure themselves in some place with the Chinese.
    It remains only to wait for what additional "tambourines" the Indians will come up with when determining the configuration of the vessel, taking into account their eternal wishes to add "this, this, this, and hang it on the side and this" from different countries and from different manufacturers. Not to mention the standards.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 16 November 2019 11: 03
      +2
      Quote: Berkut24
      Those. The Indians, with their strange attitude to technology, dubious training of specialists and experience in warfare on the water, simply decided to buy "a little status" in order to measure themselves in some place with the Chinese.

      But so, for reference: India has experience in the combat use of aircraft carriers and the Indians were engaged in aircraft carriers much earlier than the Chinese
      1. Berkut24
        Berkut24 16 November 2019 11: 08
        0
        A small question - do they have combat experience in using an aircraft carrier formation in any conflict? Or was it another "status" previously written off by the British due to the uselessness manifested in the Falklands?
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 16 November 2019 11: 10
          +1
          Quote: Berkut24
          A small question - do they have combat experience using aircraft carrier formations in any conflict?

          Yes with pakistan
          Quote: Berkut24
          Or was it another "status" previously written off by the British due to the uselessness manifested in the Falklands?

          ??? :))) Without the aircraft carriers, there would be no Falklands, read the British :)))
          1. Berkut24
            Berkut24 16 November 2019 11: 32
            +1
            Thank you, we sorted out this conflict in detail in a military school immediately after the end of the conflict. There were many factors, and “Hermes” was not the main argument there. Rather, he proved the inferiority of the idea of ​​using the ship, which was laid in 1944 within the range of enemy aircraft in the absence of sane low-altitude air defense systems.
            The essence of the current situation is that at sea India has a fairly close theater of operations. The presence of numerous Chinese military bases at hand both in Pakistan and on the way to China will not allow the aircraft carrier to reach the zone from where it can strike at the PRC facilities. Those. it is an expeditionary ship, there is essentially nowhere to send it. In the South China Sea, China will always have an overwhelming advantage both in the navy and in coastal strike complexes.
            If we consider Pakistan as an enemy, it is foolish to drive a floating airdrome into the sea in the situation of the presence of an extended land border and a large number of ground airfields.
            For Britain, expeditionary forces matter because there are still many remote colonies claimed by rather weak states, but India has a completely different situation. Their aircraft carriers will always be in the zone of rapid defeat by the enemy.
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 16 November 2019 15: 31
              0
              I sincerely wonder how you managed to make a mistake in literally every statement. I will answer a little later - the router was covered from the smartphone uncomfortably
            2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 16 November 2019 19: 02
              +3
              Quote: Berkut24
              Thank you, we analyzed this conflict in detail at a military school immediately after the conflict.

              Apparently, hot on the heels there were many inaccuracies, or maybe the teachers just decided to maintain the "correct line of the Party."
              Quote: Berkut24
              There were many factors, and “Hermes” was not the main argument there.

              Deck aviation became the main means of air defense of the British compound.
              Quote: Berkut24
              Rather, he proved the flawed idea of ​​using a ship laid down in 1944 in the radius of action of enemy aircraft in the absence of sane low-altitude air defense systems.

              First, there was also the Invincible, laid down in 1973 and commissioned in 1980, the newest ship. Secondly, the British aircraft carriers really showed themselves unimportantly, but the reason was the deliberately vicious bet on VTOL aircraft. With all due respect - in the 80s they could not explain this to you. Otherwise, the teachers would have to answer a lot of uncomfortable questions about the "Kievs" and Yaks.
              Thirdly, the British had the "Sea Wolf" air defense systems capable of hitting low-altitude targets. The newest air defense missile systems, on tests knocking down a 114-mm projectile in flight. In practice, 2 attacks slept altogether, the rest is 40% effective against aircraft with free-fall bombs.
              By the way, at that time, the only sane low-altitude weapon of the USSR Navy was Ak-630.
              Quote: Berkut24
              The essence of the current situation is that at sea India has a fairly close theater of operations.

              It is very difficult for me to call the Arabian Sea a "cramped theater". The coast of Pakistan is just over 1000 km.
              Quote: Berkut24
              The presence of numerous Chinese military bases at hand both in Pakistan and on the way to China will not allow the aircraft carrier to reach the zone from where it can strike at the PRC facilities.

              Chinese bases in Thailand? Vietnam But in fact, the point is that Indian aircraft carriers are not drums, and no one will send them tyrannizing the coast of China.
              Quote: Berkut24
              Those. it is an expeditionary ship, there is essentially nowhere to send it.

              An aircraft carrier in the form of "VIkramaditya" and the like is not an expeditionary ship but a means of imparting stability to surface and submarine forces. That is, its tasks are very close to the domestic TAVKR such as "Kuznetsov" and "Ulyanovsk".
              Quote: Berkut24
              If we consider Pakistan as an enemy, it is foolish to drive a floating airdrome into the sea in the situation of the presence of an extended land border and a large number of ground airfields.

              It’s completely nonsense, given that the mere threat of an attack from the sea will already lead to a change in the distribution of Pakistani air defense. And to ignore the advantages provided by the presence of AB in the operations against the Pakistani fleet would be simply strange.
              Quote: Berkut24
              India has a completely different situation. Their aircraft carriers will always be in the zone of rapid defeat by the enemy.

              Quite the opposite :))) Is it the Pakistani or the Chinese fleet there, if you think they come closer to India, they will be in the zone of rapid destruction by means whose combat stability (and, at the same time, enemy reconnaissance) is provided by carrier-based aircraft
  14. Pavel57
    Pavel57 16 November 2019 10: 51
    0
    And what will happen to the aircraft - Rafali or F-18?
  15. askort154
    askort154 16 November 2019 11: 49
    -1
    Against this background, Britain invited India to acquire an aircraft carrier similar to the HMS Queen Elizabeth, and build it at any shipyard of its own. In order to demonstrate the capabilities of Queen Elizabeth, it is planned to send her to the Indian Ocean soon..

    The possibilities of "Queen Elizabeth" have long been "blown away".
    Enough puffing up the cheeks of the old woman, who, even during the Soviet era, was already called not "Great Britain, but" England "!
    And even Churchill did not oppose this. And today, "Queen Elizabeth" is all up to her ears in "Brexit", and only senile sclerosis prevents her from remembering that today's India is no longer her colony. crying yes
  16. Samum
    Samum 16 November 2019 12: 18
    0
    So this HMS Prince of Wales is ready, I saw it myself)))))) unless of course it was him!?))
  17. GTYCBJYTH2021
    GTYCBJYTH2021 16 November 2019 12: 59
    -3
    Air carriers, for what, for which countries, states? The Americans arrived to North Korea, swam in the ass ... The atomic bomb, the rocket li-called NORTH KOREA WITH THE WORLD !!!!!!
  18. gregor6549
    gregor6549 16 November 2019 14: 11
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    It is somewhat unclear why the Indians turned their attention to the English aircraft carrier. This aircraft carrier was originally designed to use the deck version of the F35 and was not equipped with catapults. Instead of a catapult, he has a ramp.
    It will be unprofitable to change the project that is ready and mastered by production for the deployment of catapults (s) for the only Indian aircraft carrier. Yes and no, the British have their catapult. It means that they have to bow to the United States and it’s not the fact that they will give their catapults to them. And without a catapult, it will not be possible to deploy AWACS and U planes on aircraft carriers. And if the British are counting on the fact that if something happens, behind their backs there will be an American AOG with their carrier-based AWACS, then what the Indians are counting on is also not clear. And without such aircraft, the AUG is essentially blind.
    And the last thing. The myth of the "great" Hindu programmers arose only due to the fact that many Western companies in their time outsourced their software development to India, because Indians could be paid several times less for labor than their own. Following the development of software, some engineering work began to be transferred to India, for example, maintenance of civil aviation aircraft. Then came the sobering up, tk. The software made in India was not of high quality, a significant part of the money allocated for such work fell into "black holes" of which there are more than enough in India, and the planes after the maintenance there began to get into various flight accidents. And the process went in the opposite direction.
    At the same time, the programmers of the Soviet school were in no way inferior to Western programmers in their knowledge, and after the collapse of the USSR they even began to be attracted to work by very well-known Western firms. For example, the famous Italian company Alenia (now part of Thales) tried to attract programmers from our company to work on air traffic control systems. The attempt was unsuccessful, but not because of the abilities of our programmers, but because of the cunning officials who tried to grab their grand slice of bread and butter from the agreed amounts.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 16 November 2019 20: 52
      -2
      "The myth of the" great "Hindu programmers only arose from
      the fact that many western companies ..////
      ----
      However, the CEO and / or CTO of several of the largest Silicon Valley IT firms
      it is the Indians. smile This cannot be a coincidence.
      1. gregor6549
        gregor6549 17 November 2019 11: 53
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        Among the Indians there are a lot of very rich people who invested and are investing their money in a wide variety of companies and projects, including in the hi-tech industry of Western countries (USA, UK, Australia, etc.)
        In addition, in the United States and in a number of other developed countries there is a very large number of Hindu migrants, whose children received quite a decent education at the universities of these countries.
        So the presence of several California IT companies CEO (Chief Executive Officer) and service stations (Chief Technology Officer) of Indian origin is no surprise to anyone there.
        I talked about those IT-employees who have been educated and live in India and are happy with any income, which has made and still makes attractive the use of their cheap labor by Western companies. At the same time, the risk is compensated by the fact that Indian software products are in any case very intensively tested by customers.
  19. Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 16 November 2019 19: 17
    -2
    Kuznetsov needs to be offered to them, all the same, he is not needed for a defensive war, and there is nowhere to repair him
  20. rusboris
    rusboris 16 November 2019 20: 25
    -1
    We admit that the Russian Navy is going through difficult times. Let's see how the fleet reacts with existing resources to an interstate war and a low-intensity war, for example, in 2019.
    Turning to healthy naval humor, we can say that today sailors will have to die heroically. Bearing in mind our future inevitable victory over the enemy. Well in this subject lies the speech of the chief of staff of the Navy (naval forces) of the United States, Admiral D. Richardson. He openly threatens to preemptively strike the Russian Navy in 2019. It is difficult to disagree with a competent, military admiral. He chose a good moment for the attack on the Russian Navy. Losses more than 20-30 ships of the ocean zone, the admiral does not plan. This is for the US Navy, like an elephant pellet.
    I propose to make only one forecast. After any clash with the Russian Navy, the admiral and his patron in the White House, the US Congress will point to the door. Therefore, the Russian fleet until 2021 will retain its position. After 2021, the US Navy during an interstate war with Russia will suffer unacceptable losses in the form of at least four aircraft carriers and up to 50 ships in the ocean zone. We are not considering a nuclear war strategy with the United States.
    Turning to a low-intensity war, it is quite appropriate to assert that the material part of the fleet will withstand it at a high level. The theater of low-intensity war for the Russian fleet in 2019 is the Mediterranean and the Black Sea. Adjacent to Russia, Japan and China, the Pacific, the Indian Ocean, especially the Arabian Sea. The full Pacific squadron, together with the VKS attached to the fleet, in the adjacent Far Eastern seas can count on maximum success.
    The Indian Ocean is inaccessible for operations of the Russian Navy. There is no Mediterranean squadron yet; you have to manage business trips.
    In the Black Sea, the forces of the Russian fleet are abundant. This refers to the cruiser "Moscow". In this assessment, reasonable admirals of the Navy of Turkey, Romania and Bulgaria may well agree with the author. In Russian history, the Black Sea Fleet was almost always excessively strong. Probably the weather favors the reproduction of ships. This is a rather bitter joke.
    Napoleon said: "God is always on the side of large battalions." However, the Black Sea Fleet in 1941-1945 denied this postulate. For example, the "large battalions" of the Black Sea Fleet of the USSR, in the form of naval guns with a caliber of up to 300 mm, located on cruisers and battleships, suffered unacceptable damage in the 1941-1945 war. Moreover, the enemy fleet in the Black Sea was not.
    In contrast, we can say that the Northern Fleet under the command of Admiral A.G. Golovko gave the Germans a decent naval war. With insignificant forces, the Northern Fleet drowned more than 1 million tons of ship tonnage and destroyed 1300 enemy aircraft, provided security for the arrival of millions of strategic cargoes to three thousand ships at the front of the Great Patriotic War.
    The Baltic Fleet looks confident in the 2019 interstate war. Particularly impressive are its capabilities in the use of missile weapons at enemy bases. In the proximity of the coastal structure of the aerospace forces and the Northern Fleet, the fleets of Poland, Norway and Sweden are not able to prevent this.