Pompeo explained the difference between recognition of the Golan and non-recognition of Crimea

The United States recognizes the Golan Heights as the territory of Israel and does not recognize Crimea as the territory of Russia because there are "obviously different factual circumstances." This was stated by US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.

Answering a question about how Washington’s support for Israel’s annexation of the Golan Heights to the condemnation of the “Russian annexation” of Crimea, Mike Pompeo said that “the situation is obviously different.” In the case of Israel in Washington, "simply recognized history".

The situation is obviously different, and we spoke very clearly about this when the decision was made (on the recognition of the Golan Heights). We simply recognized the reality on earth and the history that existed in this particular place.

- he said.

According to the head of the State Department, there are many “controversial places” in the world and each has its own “factual circumstances”. However, he did not explain exactly what “circumstances” were in favor of recognizing the Golan as Israeli and against recognizing Crimea as Russian.

There is a set of international norms and concepts, there are factual circumstances that contradict them, and where these norms are built, we must recognize them

- He said, adding that it is with this logic in the United States that they see the difference between the Golan Heights and the Crimea.

Recall that in April this year, US President Donald Trump signed a declaration recognizing the Golan Heights as Israeli territory.

The Golan was occupied by Israel in 1967 during the six-day war with Syria, and in 1981 Tel Aviv unilaterally declared them its territory. The UN recognizes the Golan Heights as occupied territory.

Comments

[Spartanez300]

It's all about the personal hostility of the United States to Russia. It contradicts itself, Russia and the Crimea have just realities on land and history in a particular place. So what is captured by military operations is normal, but what was integrated peacefully is bad. Here he once again outlined the logic of the United States in this regard. Well, they don’t get used to the history of acting in this way, at least take the Indians, drove the people from their ancestral territories and appropriated all their land to themselves, forcing them forcibly into the reservation.

[ML-334]

In my opinion, it is not hostility but the benefit — Russia is becoming more sovereign and this limits the lawlessness of the United States and therefore they are setting everyone against Russia.

[cost]

The United States recognizes the Golan Heights as the territory of Israel and does not recognize Crimea as the territory of Russia because there are "obviously different factual circumstances." This was stated by US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.

Of course, they are different - Crimea voluntarily entered the Russian Federation through a referendum, and the Golan exactly the opposite

[Vladimir16]

Golan territory of Syria. The Syrians need to drive the Jews from there with a filthy broom.

[Binder]

Quote: Vladimir16

The Syrians need to drive the Jews from there with a filthy broom.

Yeah, the race just did not grow. And, apparently, it will never grow - the Golan is forever the territory of the state of Israel, the train has long gone and the rails have been dismantled.

[okko077]

If we assume that the United States will lose its power and influence in the distant future, then Israel will immediately be covered with a "copper basin" ... It will not only give the Golan, but also half of its territory to Palestine ... Let them pray to PI-Ndos ...

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: okko077

Assuming that the United States loses its power and influence in the distant future,

And if we assume that the grandmother in the not too distant future, she will be GRANDFATHER

[okko077]

Yeah, the Roman Empire was also eternal ... Dream ... A country whose inhabitants even have brains floating in fat, and live at the expense of interest on contributions from grandfathers, and spend more than they have, will not last long ..

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: okko077

Yeah, the Roman Empire was also eternal ...

I already answered this today
But personally for you again
Mark Twain;
"If the statistics are correct, Jews make up no more than a percent of humanity. This suggests an almost invisible lump of stardust, lost in the bright light of the Milky Way. In fact, there should be no mention of Jews, but they make themselves felt, we have heard and continue to hear about them. They stand out among any nation, their place in the economy, their importance is immeasurably higher than the place and importance of any other equally small nation. Their share in the list of great names of the world scale in literature, science, art, music , financial activity, medicine, the latest discoveries is not proportional to the share of Jews among other nations, it is much more extensive and richer. They, the Jews, at all times - in a battle, in a battle with the whole world, and in this battle they can rely only on themselves, since no one will support them, and they are fighting for life and death, and they can be forgiven, no matter what means they use in this struggle. The Egyptians, Babylonians, Persians created world powers, solemnly and noisily declared their power to the whole planet, then melted like smoke, and died; Greeks and Romans inherited their loud glory and also went into oblivion; other nations arose, temporarily raising their flaming torch, but it burned, leaving only sparks, and sometimes they burned down. (He still did not know about the empire of the USSR) The Jews saw them all, and now they are the same as they always were: for centuries not knowing decline or weakness; their influence, their role in the life of the peoples among whom they lived, never diminished their energy, mobility and sharpness of mind, just as now. Everything in the world is mortal, but not Jews. Everyone, even the strongest, leaves - they remain.
What is the secret of their immortality? "
Can you answer?

[okko077]

Only you forgot Slavs. Jews are just a speck of dust in their history .. And their religion is slavish, like their origin. You just look at all this from the standpoint of common sense, from the side ..
The ancient Slavic calendar has more than 600000 years .. According to the latest reckoning, which is associated with the victory over the Chinese, now 7527 year. Year Soaring eagle ! Handsomely...

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: okko077

Красиво.

Just wonderful.
Only he does not know this.

[Binder]

Quote: okko077

The ancient Slavic calendar has more than 600000 years .. According to the latest calendar, which is associated with the victory over the Chinese, now is 7527. Year of the Soaring Eagle! Handsomely...

Bullshit on a moonlit night.

[kiril1246]

Quote: okko077

600000

I did not know that the Slavs had occurred before Neanderthals. Thanks for the info.

[voyaka uh]

"The ancient Slavic calendar is more than 600000 years old" /////
-----
Cool, congratulations! So primitive people did not come from
great apes, as scientists think, and from the ancient Slavs.

[Binder]

Quote: okko077

Israel will immediately be covered with a "copper basin" ... It will not only give the Golan, but also half of its territory to Palestine ... Let them pray to PI-Ndos ...

Israel quite successfully lived, fought and developed without US government support, and often opposed Washington’s openly hostile position until the end of the 60s, and you are offering to pray here.

[okko077]

Enough of profanity. Tell your tales to kindergarten children. What kind of state support are we talking about if, according to some estimates, up to 80% of banking and other financial assets in the United States belong to Jewish families?

[Binder]

This is for you, dear man, thinking at the kindergarten level. You primitively believe that all Jews in the United States are supporters of Israel, and this is far from the case. As an example, we can recall the presidential candidate Bernie Sanders, who, being a Jew, is by no means a friend of Israel. And there are plenty of people like him in America.

[Playerman]

Quote: Bindyuzhnik

Israel quite successfully lived, fought and developed

This is where you unearthed such nonsense?

[Binder]

Nonsense, darling, this is what you have in mind, and I quite objectively described the twenty-year period in the history of the state of Israel. Study the materiel and do not forget that silence is gold.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

a twenty-year period in the history of the state of Israel ....... come on, and who is Ivanka Trump's husband? It looks like a robust chukha itself, just like the whole Trump empire. ...

[Binder]

What are you talking about, dear, what side does Ivanka and her husband have to the topic? The indicated period did not have them in the project either.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

What are you talking about, dear, what side does Ivanka and her husband have to the topic? .... very much to the point, the Trump empire originated precisely from the means of the seon, well, according to the thumb, the loot of the seon in Fort Knox, as long as there are striped there are

[Playerman]

Twenty year period ... And even a seventy-year-old, this is nothing "darling", If it were not for the proclamation of Israel's independence on May 14, 1948 and the Jewish lobby in sga, you would not have had any successful development or successful wars. "Study materiel and don't forget that silence is golden."

[Binder]

Here you are right at all 150% - if the Zionists, through a long struggle for the revival of the state of Israel, would not have achieved independence on May 14, 1948, then there would be no talk of any successes in economic and military.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

for the revival of the state of Israel they would not have achieved ........ the military-industrial machine achieved independence, or rather chopped off a piece of land in the BV as hands and ears for Zionist bucks, so for now, as there is

[SOF]

Quote: Bindyuzhnik

the train is long gone and the rails dismantled

..... no matter how they descended on tanks .... they do not need rails ...

[Binder]

This is problem

Quote: SOF

no matter how they descended on tanks

- warehouses of captured equipment in Israel are already clogged ...

[Sergey M. Karasev]

Of course, they are different - Crimea voluntarily entered the Russian Federation through a referendum, and the Golan is exactly the opposite laughing

But, in the United States, there is a strong Jewish lobby, but there is no Russian. Therefore, they recognize precisely the capture of the Golan, and not the annexation of Crimea.

[kiril1246]

Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev

But, in the United States, there is a strong Jewish lobby, but there is no Russian.

Because nowhere in the world is there a stable Russian community. Russians abroad are instantly assimilated.

[Sergey M. Karasev]

Because they leave and settle in another country separately, and not heap, they do not support communication with each other, they do not form diasporas. There are no Russian quarters abroad, unlike Jewish, Chinese, etc.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Rich

Crimea voluntarily through a nationwide referendum entered the Russian Federation, and the Golan exactly the opposite

The logic in evaluating the p-s of these events is very simple. Exactly the same as the male view of the family on adultery: When Israel annexed the Golan, it is WE ... And when Russia returned Crimea, it is US ...

[novel66]

painful and insulting

[orionvitt]

Quote: Polite Elk

The logic in evaluating the p-s of these events is very simple.

Where as simple, try to understand this bird language of modern democracy. I read three times to understand what this coryphaeus of democratic America said. Here we admit, it’s not here, but here it seems to be partially, like in Ukraine. And not because I'm stupid, but I'm used to talking in essence. Now play, then do not play, but here, we wrapped the fish. It’s called, I brought you notes.

[knn54]

We are waiting for M. Pompeo's opus "Selected / Electoral History".

[4ekist]

Crimea has always been Russian, not Khokhlyatsky. There can be no other way.

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: 4ekist

Crimea has always been Russian

And before that he was Tatar.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Rich

Of course, they are different - Crimea voluntarily entered the Russian Federation through a referendum,

Who was born in the USSR knows that they also went to the collective farm voluntarily

Quote: Rich

Golan exactly the opposite

And here you are not mistaken
Bible Deuteronomy 4:43
"The three cities chosen by Moses were: Betzer in the plains belonging to the tribe of Reuben, Ramoth in Gilead, belonging to the tribe of Gad, and Golan in Vasan belonging to the tribe of Manasseh. "

[Vitaly gusin]

[quote = Vitaly Gusin]Bible Deuteronomy 4:43
"The three cities chosen by Moses were: Betzer in the plains belonging to the tribe of Reuben, Ramoth in Gilead, belonging to the tribe of Gad, and Golan in Bashan, belonging to the tribe of Manasseh. "[/ Quote]
Is this the cons of the Bible?

[Mikhail Drabkin]

You write Spartanez300

It's all about U.S. personal hostility towards Russia

-There is nothing personal in it: America is a rival to Russia in any configuration, with the exception of Russia depending, vassalism on America. Do not expect reasonable answers. They think they should ... exceptional ...
—- And this is never to happen!
-Pompeo does not say the main thing: the power of the Jewish elite in America. Who wants to get involved with Schiff, Hoer, Sumer, Nadler, Engel ... on Congress Committees working on impeachment of Trump. Moreover, in matters of geopolitics, the interests of the Israeli and Jewish elites of America are increasingly diverging.
—- After the peak of any - there is always a decline. The Jewish elite of America really believes that it speaks on behalf of the American people .... my Jews forgot the lessons of the German Weimar Republic ... and in fact do not respect the laws of dialectics ..

[Ural-4320]

I disagree with the phrase "America is Russia's rival." Where is the rivalry here, when there is the usual verbal abuse? Well, there is no other word for it. It looks from the side as if 2 boxers are standing face to face in front of the ring, one incessantly blathers that he will break the opponent, the second silently looks, and then bam - the postponement of the fight because of the itching in the finger of the vyakala.

[Pessimist22]

Recognized the story? What about US history?

[nikon7717]

Quote: Pessimist22

Recognized the story? What about US history?

The journalist probably needed to recall the various territories that the United States itself forgot to return, admitting to themselves, for example, with a line about renting Alaska, and much more.

[Pessimist22]

Texas was taken from Mexico.

[Bukhalov]

Quote: nikon7717

Quote: Pessimist22

Recognized the story? What about US history?

The journalist probably needed to recall the various territories that the United States itself forgot to return, admitting to themselves, for example, with a line about renting Alaska, and much more.

Well, why post legends? Selling Alaska
America, Russia has obviously got excited. Well, not "shmogla" is more expensive .... Who knew then that there was "gold-diamonds", and not permafrost. It happens. But why should individual emotional visitors of the VO website be misled about renting Alaska? They are already misled about Israel. Ever since the struggle against Zionism, a poisoned weapon of imperialism. So the church lands in Jerusalem belonging to the Russian Orthodox Church, Khrushchev sold Israel for oranges in the early 60s. What fell from the cart is gone.

[Cryvedco]

Different factual circumstances? Need to remember. Ingenious excuse will be

[RideMaster]

Yes, it's easier to say - these are completely different things, you do not understand.

[Cryvedco]

Well, this is better in conversation, but in some documents ...

[RideMaster]

And what about the great Kurdistan, are they there? Historically support?
I think it’s time for us to support Great Kamanchia, historically it is completely justified.

[Astronaut]

just recognized history

What story ? The United States with its history does not reach 250 years, and Israel is even an order of magnitude less!

[Revolver]

The history of Israel is approximately 3500 years, counting from the Exodus from Egypt. And if from Abraham, then all 4000. And the fact that there were breaks is not important. And if you think that is important, then the history of Russia begins not earlier than from Ivan III, but what was before him was just an outlying Tatar ulus.

[Astronaut]

The history of the state of Israel began in 1948, and the rest is not important!
And under Ivan III there was already a state, although you do not need to know Russian history!

[Revolver]

In this case, the history of Russia as an independent state begins from 1480, and all that was previously not important.

[sergo1914]

Quote: Nagan

In this case, the history of Russia as an independent state begins from 1480, and all that was previously not important.

Why not since 1991? Or 2000? GDP since 2000. Since its arrival, we will take it.

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: Nagan

In this case, the history of Russia as an independent state begins with 1480

Something like that, yes. But, which is characteristic, in this case, Russia is older than Israel Not that it was important, but funny anyway.

[Demon_is_ada]

Much earlier, much ... just earlier it was a republic, TFR - the Union of the Principality of Russian, then there was a war of liberation and the creation of an already unitary state And we have never had a break in statehood since the days of Arkaim and Kostenok, the organization of the state simply changed ... Well, how is this theory?

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: Demon_is_ada

Well, how is such a theory?

This theory does not attract fantasy.

[Demon_is_ada]

Doesn't it seem strange to you not in "Fantasy" called the Tatar-Mongol yoke that all a few small skirmishes are all? And where are the raids, liberation from the occupiers, retreat to the Mughal base, and where is this base that could concentrate such striking forces? And the transfer of the contingent? Where is the logistics and ways, the Americans at the head of Nata still cannot quickly transfer large quantities? What do not take, then solid fantasy And somewhere there is a real Kulikovo field, by the way, they haven’t found any weapons or skeletons on the modern one, they still argue about standing on the Ugra ...

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: Demon_is_ada

Doesn't it seem strange to you not in "Fantasy" called the Tatar-Mongol yoke

Now it seems that it is not customary to talk about "yoke". The documents contradict this.

Quote: Demon_is_ada

And where are the raids, the liberation from the invaders, the retreat to the Mughal base, and where is this base that could concentrate such strike forces? And the transfer of contingent? Where is that logistics and ways

Everything is generally clear there. On YouTube, there are quite a few lectures by specialists.

Quote: Demon_is_ada

Americans still headed by the Nate still can not quickly transfer large quantities?

What quantities do you consider large? The entire Mongol invasion is a maximum of tens of thousands of people. During the first Gulf War, NATO deployed 250 people in 4 months across 2 oceans.

[Flooding]

Did Abraham Form Israel? You are trying to testify.

[Evil echo]

Remember in the "Crown of the Russian Empire"

. You probably know the character biography
New Testament.
She goes back to the Old Testament.
I will briefly recall.
Abraham begat Isaac
Isaac gave birth to John.
John begat Judah
and his brothers Pharez and Zara
from Famira.
Fares gave birth ... Esroma.
Esrom gave birth to ... Anikadavu.
Anikadava gave birth ... to nason.
Nason gave birth to Salmon.
Salmon gave birth to Boaz from Rahima.

[Flooding]

Abraham before Isaac managed to give birth to Ishmael.
But the Jews do not regard him as their own.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Nagan

The history of Israel is approximately 3500 years, counting from the Exodus from Egypt. And if from Abraham, then all 4000.

Well, yes I remember the Neanderthals Abraham and David ran across the desert. They ate acridas and locusts. Afraid of the executions of Egypt. grazed goats and donkeys. And, here, what would these Davidians have a state the story does not remember ... Wore and wears them around the world. The truth then allowed them to create the state of Dzhugashvili, Joseph Vissarionovich ... Stalin was called to him all over the world ... But then they spat on him and cursed. Thankful Jews .. Although, what to expect from the Neanderthals cunning!

[Demon_is_ada]

Yuri, why did Abram And David run? Not by the fact that they were hiding from the persecution of the Egyptian police? So maybe it was a state of ancient Egypt? And then anyone but the Jews? Either the Mamelukes, then the Persians, then the Egyptians, then the Romans and moreover took the state from each other And if you look at the ancient scriptures in general, it says that Jehovah scattered them around the world ...

[Lelek]

Quote: 30 vis

Although, what to expect from the Neanderthals cunning!

This question was answered by the great actress, Jewish by birth - Faina Ranevskaya:

[Charik]

Well, well, for some reason, the remains of people and their dwellings of a 40000 year old man with bones of mammoths in the Voronezh region, and not in Egypt or Israel and some kind of book-written Avram

[Slavs]

There were no breaks in our history ..)) And in yours, it really didn’t matter whether breaks or not ...) The ulus is not an ulus, you lived on your land, and for 40 years you poked around in the desert, looking for where to stumble.

[Professor]

Quote: Slavs

There were no breaks in our history ..)) And in yours, it really didn’t matter whether breaks or not ...) The ulus is not an ulus, you lived on your land, and for 40 years you poked around in the desert, looking for where to stumble.

1. The USSR is not the Russian Empire. Neither politically, nor legally, nor historically. RF is not the USSR. Neither politically, nor legally, nor historically. They intersect some of the territories.
2. While we wandered through the desert (did not look for where to stumble, but returning to our land), you did not live in your country since there was no mention of you yet. Something like this.

Now about the article.
1. Israel did not occupy the Goln in the 1967 year, but freed them from the Arab occupation.
2. The Golan (or whatever it is in Arabic) under the mandate of the League of Nations were intended to create a Jewish state and were illegally transferred to Syria. We returned our. In the Golan (or whatever they are in Arabic) there was not a single Arab city.
3. In 1981, Tel Avv did not unilaterally declare them his territory. Generally announced nothing.
4. SAR attacked Israel and lost the Golan (or whatever they are in Arabic) as Germany lost East Prussia. Germany no complaints. Not to be confused with Japan, which the USSR attacked and occupied the islands. Ukraine did not attack the Russian Federation.
5. Israel did not sign a memorandum with the SAR on the territorial integrity of the SAR and did not sign a border treaty. The Russian Federation and Ukraine have signed such documents. Accordingly, Israel did not violate anything, the Russian Federation violated.

In general, a left-wing article aimed at sowing srach.

[okko077]

While we wandered through the desert (did not look for where to stumble, but returning to our land), you did not live in your country since there was no mention of you yet. Something like this.

We have been counting history for more than 600000 years and we know from which ass and when you got out with your tales and scriptures ..

[Slavs]

Quote: professor

In general, a left-wing article aimed at sowing srach.

I agree completely. The incoherent speech of Pompeo, Klitschko, Psaki and others like them is nothing more than a reason for violence against the keyboard.

Quote: professor

1. The USSR is not the Russian Empire. Neither politically, nor legally, nor historically. RF is not the USSR. Neither politically, nor legally, nor historically. They intersect some of the territories.
2. While we wandered through the desert (did not look for where to stumble, but returning to our land), you did not live in your country as there was no mention of you yet.

And here I completely disagree. Alas.))

[Professor]

Quote: Slavs

And here I completely disagree. Alas.))

You convinced me with your arguments. :

[Slavs]

I did my best )))

[not main]

Quote: professor

Quote: Slavs

And here I completely disagree. Alas.))

You convinced me with your arguments. :

Do you have any arguments? You, in addition to your (Jewish) opinion, do not recognize. And how do you change shoes in the air? This is generally a picture of a Jew Sokolov!

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: professor

While we wandered through the desert (did not look for where to stumble, but returning to our land), you did not live in your country since there was no mention of you yet.

When the ancient Semitic tribes recorded this collection of myths, your great-great-great-grandfathers and grandmothers were not yet in the project Those tribes are no more you than any antes - we.

Quote: professor

In general, a left-wing article aimed at sowing srach.

This is yes.

[Professor]

Quote: Good_Anonymous

When the ancient Semitic tribes recorded this collection of myths, your great-great-great-grandfathers and grandmothers were not in the project yet. Those tribes are no more you than some antes - we are.

We have with those "tribes" one language, one culture, one Gd. They are us.

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: professor

We have one language with those "tribes"

That language has not survived. No, Hebrew is not him.

Quote: professor

one culture

Not even close

Quote: professor

one Gd

Jews had many gods in those days

[kiril1246]

Quote: Good_Anonymous

That language has not survived. No, Hebrew is not him.

Only any Israeli schoolboy calmly reads on it.
And you try to give the student "The Word about Igor's Regiment" in the subclinic to read. Will he understand a lot? "Word" is the 12th century. In the Israel Museum (Jerusalem) there are texts from the Torah of the 8-10th century BC, carved in stone, written in Hebrew, which is easily read by any modern Israelite, provided that he knows the Hebrew letters (Daaz).

Quote: Good_Anonymous

Not even close

In Hebrew there are borrowed words of Sumerian origin. For example, the word "tarnegol" is a rooster, from the Sumerian "dar lugal" - a royal bird.

Quote: Good_Anonymous

Jews had many gods in those days

You confuse the Jews with their neighbors as pagan Canaanites. The Jews were so different from their neighbors who lived in Canaan that they were monotheists.

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: kiril1246

That language has not survived. No, Hebrew is not him.

Only any Israeli schoolboy calmly reads on it.

What is "it" on? If in Hebrew, of course, he reads. But Hebrew is not the language spoken by the tribe that crossed the desert.

Quote: kiril1246

In Hebrew, there are loanwords of another Sumerian origin.

And this proves that the Jews of that time and the present have "one culture"? So in the Russian language there are borrowings from the Scythian, but no one, except Blok, seriously called the Russians "Scythians".

Quote: kiril1246

Jews had many gods in those days

You confuse the Jews with their neighbors, the pagan Canaanites. The Jews were different

It seems to me that you are confusing Jews (people) with Jews (followers of Judaism). Or are the concepts "Jew" and "Jew" the same for you?

[kiril1246]

Quote: Good_Anonymous

What is "it" on? If in Hebrew, of course, he reads. But Hebrew is not the language spoken by the tribe that crossed the desert.

Did you read this with Fomenko?

Quote: Good_Anonymous

And this proves that the Jews of that time and the present have "one culture"? So in the Russian language there are borrowings from the Scythian, but no one, except Blok, seriously called the Russians "Scythians".

The concept of ancient culture is inseparable from religion. There is an unconditional continuity between the religion of ancient Jews and modern Judaism. Once again, I draw your attention to the found passages of the texts of the Torah from the 10th century BC. And the Qumran texts contain entire books of the Torah.

Quote: Good_Anonymous

It seems to me that you are confusing Jews (people) with Jews (followers of Judaism). Or are the concepts "Jew" and "Jew" the same for you?

There is such a nation on the globe, Jews, whose religion is NOT Judaism?
Jews (descendants of Iver) and Jews are identical concepts. It is clear that there are some Jews who profess other religions, but they are not a separate people.

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: kiril1246

Did you read this with Fomenko?

Now it was a shame. But no, I didn’t read about it from Fomenko.

Quote: kiril1246

There is an unconditional continuity between the religion of ancient Jews and modern Judaism.

Sure. But the professor argued that "we have one culture with those" tribes. " Not successive with a distance of 3 thousand years, but "one".

Quote: kiril1246

Jews (descendants of Iver) and Jews are identical concepts.

And then there are no questions. Although no, one more remained - if a person was born in Israel from Orthodox Jews, speaks Hebrew, but (as life has developed) is an atheist - who is he?

[kiril1246]

Quote: Good_Anonymous

Now it was a shame. But no, I didn’t read about it from Fomenko.

Well look. On the one hand, there is unconditional evidence of the interaction of Jews in ancient Egypt by the Jews (a story about leaving Egypt), there is evidence from the side of the ancient Egyptians (inscriptions of the Karnak temple and in other places), on the other hand, you exist, an unknown, anonymous author who with a large aplomb, he made a very substantial statement refuting both the religious and scientific position that the tribe that came out of Egypt did not speak Hebrew, but did not provide any evidence. Would you yourself accept such a statement as believable?

Quote: Good_Anonymous

Sure. But the professor argued that "we have one culture with those" tribes. " Not successive with a distance of 3 thousand years, but "one".

You can certainly turn to him for clarification, but I suppose that he meant continuity. All the same, the world around us has slightly changed over 3500 years.

Quote: Good_Anonymous

And then there are no questions. Although no, one more remained - if a person was born in Israel from Orthodox Jews, speaks Hebrew, but (as life has developed) is an atheist - who is he?

Atheist or secular?

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: kiril1246

On the one hand, there is unconditional evidence of the interaction of Jews in ancient Egypt by the Jews (the story of the exit from Egypt)

Do you call the Bible "unconditional testimony"? Ah ... you probably think the Holy Spirit dictated it?

Quote: kiril1246

I suppose that he meant succession

He put it quite categorically - "one". And the language is also one. After 3 thousand years.

Quote: kiril1246

Atheist or secular?

Atheist.

[kiril1246]

Quote: Good_Anonymous

Do you call the Bible "unconditional testimony"? Ah ... you probably think the Holy Spirit dictated it?

And where else, besides the Torah, is the Jewish exit from Egypt described?

Quote: Good_Anonymous

He put it quite categorically - "one". And the language is also one. After 3 thousand years.

One and the same culture does not mean unchanging. Has Russian culture changed since the baptism of Rus? Of course. Is there a continuity of modern Russian culture with Old Russian culture? Of course.

Quote: Good_Anonymous

Atheist.

Since the existence or absence of Gd is not provable. Atheism - that is, the belief that Gd does not exist, is the same religion as other religions in which the existence of Gd is allowed. Consequently, a Jew who has ceased to believe in Gd remains a Jew, but is considered a religious community, a sinner. In ancient times, he would face severe punishment for this; in the modern city of Israel, this will not affect his lifestyle.

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: kiril1246

Quote: Good_Anonymous
Do you call the Bible "unconditional testimony"? Ah ... you probably think the Holy Spirit dictated it?

And where else, besides the Torah, is the Jewish exit from Egypt described?

My question was why do you consider the Torah to be "an absolute testimony". However, the answer is clear.

Quote: kiril1246

Has Russian culture changed since the baptism of Rus? Of course. Is there a continuity of modern Russian culture with Old Russian culture? Of course.

Is Russian culture an old Russian culture? Even the question is ridiculous.

Quote: kiril1246

Atheism - that is, the belief that Gd does not exist

If you want, you can say that.

Quote: kiril1246

same religion as other religions

And this is obviously not the case. No churches, no priests, no prayers, no scriptures, no sinners. And most importantly - no afterlife.

Quote: kiril1246

a Jew who has ceased to believe in Gd remains a Jew

I see. Thanks.

[kiril1246]

Quote: Good_Anonymous

My question was why do you consider the Torah to be "an absolute testimony". However, the answer is clear.

For me, this is unconditional evidence, because I am not an atheist. But in what sources it is written about the exit of Jews from Egypt, except in the Torah, you did not indicate.

Quote: Good_Anonymous

Is Russian culture an old Russian culture? Even the question is ridiculous.

That's your business. I will not argue. You can refuse the history of your culture. We keep our history and culture.

Quote: Good_Anonymous

And this is obviously not the case. No churches, no priests, no prayers, no scriptures, no sinners. And most importantly - no afterlife.

And why then keep the face and body of the leader in the Mausoleum? It is obvious, after all, that if atheism had not been quasireligion, preserving the body of Lenin in the Mausoleum so similar to the ancient Egyptian rite of burial of pharauns would not have made sense. As for the holy writings of atheism: Have you heard of the Capital of Marx? but about the CFL (collected works of Lenin)? separate articles from where they were learned as well as religious dogmas in the seminary. Well, how they treated atheistic sinners (that is, people who served Gd) in the country of victorious atheism is a topic for another discussion. In any case, even in the late USSR, religious sanctions could be carried out for performing religious rituals (baptism, funeral, and just for attending church). And about the early USSR of the 20s-30s it’s generally not worth arguing. See how many monks were shot.

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: kiril1246

You can refuse the history of your culture.

What a cheap twitch.

Quote: kiril1246

And why then keep the face and body of the leader in the Mausoleum?

I have no idea. Perhaps this is some kind of monument. But this has nothing to do with religion - no one believes in the miraculous abilities of Lenin’s body (however, atheists don’t believe in miracles at all).

Quote: kiril1246

As for the holy writings of atheism: Have you heard of the Capital of Marx? but about the CFL (collected works of Lenin)?

You did not notice that for some reason all your alleged evidence of the religious nature of atheism belong to the state ideology of the USSR?

Quote: kiril1246

And about the early USSR of the 20s-30s it’s generally not worth arguing. See how many monks were shot.

This proves less than nothing. You never know whether the Orthodox killed Arians, or Protestant Catholics, or Shiite Sunnis.

By the way, the Pharisees with the Sadducees, too, were not fools to cut each other.

[kiril1246]

I still return to this topic, you did not answer: "But in what sources it is written about the exit of the Jews from Egypt, except in the Torah, you did not indicate."

Quote: Good_Anonymous

What a cheap twitch.
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I do not see any distortion here.

Quote: Good_Anonymous

I have no idea. Perhaps this is some kind of monument. But this has nothing to do with religion - no one believes in the miraculous abilities of Lenin’s body (however, atheists don’t believe in miracles at all).

You did not notice that for some reason all your alleged evidence of the religious nature of atheism belong to the state ideology of the USSR?

Atheism is the basis of Soviet ideology. There are no other countries of victorious atheism in the world, except for countries with Soviet ideology.
"The teaching of Marx is true because it is true." Forgot how to learn it by heart in school? How is this different from a religious creed? Nothing.
Communism by the 80th year? Separate apartment by 2000m? How do these promises of miracles differ from the promise of a paradise afterlife?

Quote: Good_Anonymous

This proves less than nothing. You never know whether the Orthodox killed Arians, or Protestant Catholics, or Shiite Sunnis.
By the way, the Pharisees with the Sadducees, too, were not fools to cut each other.

All the examples you cite only prove my point, because they show that atheism, like other religions, is intolerant of Gentiles. If he were not a religion, then he would calmly relate to those who believe in Gd.

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: kiril1246

I do not see any distortion here.

But it is.

Quote: kiril1246

Atheism is the basis of Soviet ideology. There are no other countries of victorious atheism in the world, except for countries with Soviet ideology.

There are no countries of victorious atheism in the world yet. And by the way, the Soviet government fully cooperated with religious hierarchs, so your statement about the "basis" is false.

Quote: kiril1246

"The teaching of Marx is true because it is true." Forgot how to learn it by heart in school?

You see, I did not memorize this at school (yes, I entered school and graduated from it in the USSR).

Quote: kiril1246

"Communism by 80? A separate apartment by 2000? How are these promises of miracles different from the promise of a heavenly afterlife?

The fact that these promises were to come true in real life, and not afterlife. Maybe this is precisely why socialism collapsed - unlike religions, its promises can be verified.

Quote: kiril1246

All the examples you cite only prove my point, because they show that atheism, like other religions, is intolerant of Gentiles.

The examples I have cited only prove that atheism as the cause of the massacre can be ruled out.

[kiril1246]

Quote: Good_Anonymous

But it is.

And about this (the main topic of conversation)
"But in what sources it is written, about the exit of the Jews from Egypt, except in the Torah, you did not indicate." will there be any reaction? Or count the drain?

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: kiril1246

And about this (the main topic of conversation)

This topic of conversation, if it was the main one, is only for you.

By the way, and you will answer directly to this question:

do you think that the Holy Spirit dictated it?

Quote: kiril1246

Or count the drain?

If you want - of course, count.

[kiril1246]

Quote: Good_Anonymous

By the way, and you will answer directly to this question:


do you think that the Holy Spirit dictated it?

What's the problem? I’m not an atheist, and I believe that the Torah was dictated to Moses by Gd on Mount Sinai for 40 days. But how do you know that Jews came out of Egypt, but did not speak Hebrew? You seem atheist, my friend. So everything written in the Old Testament is a lie for you. Then where did you get that the Jews came out of Egypt, but spoke a different language than Hebrew? Metaphysical riddle. And as an atheist, it’s a sin for you to engage in metaphysics.

Quote: Good_Anonymous

If you want - of course, count.

Drain protected

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: kiril1246

I believe that the Torah was dictated to Moses by Gd on Mount Sinai for 40 days.

It is rare in our time to meet a character who openly admits such a thing. Good day today.

Quote: kiril1246

But how do you know that Jews came out of Egypt, but did not speak Hebrew?

Firstly, I don’t know whether Jews left Egypt or not. No archaeological evidence of the outcome is known; the Bible and Flavius ​​are not evidence. Secondly, if you did not understand - I said that Hebrew is from the time of the exodus and modern Hebrew are two different languages ​​(yes, they are related and the name is the same). Just like the Russian language of the XNUMXth and XNUMXst centuries (only the time difference is many times more).

[kiril1246]

Quote: Good_Anonymous

It is rare in our time to meet a character who openly admits such a thing. Good day today.

Come to Israel, here 70% of the population is somehow religious.

Quote: Good_Anonymous

Firstly, I don’t know whether Jews left Egypt or not. No archaeological evidence of the outcome is known; the Bible and Flavius ​​are not evidence.

How can you talk about the language of the outcome, if there was no outcome in your opinion ??? Here, as in a joke, either put on your panties or remove the cross. If there was no outcome, then there was no outcome language, and your reasoning on this topic is not relevant. If the outcome was, then you recognize the correctness of the words in the Old Testament, and your atheism is nothing more than a fiction.

I am returning to your first passage.

Quote: Good_Anonymous

That language has not survived. No hebrew - not he

That is, the Jews of the outcome (unless of course it took place) spoke all the same in Hebrew. Only another Hebrew, which unfortunately has not survived to this day. Do I understand you correctly?

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: kiril1246

Come to Israel, here 70% of the population is somehow religious.

Only 70%? Then everything is not as bad as I decided for you and the professor.

Quote: kiril1246

How can you talk about the language of the outcome, if there was no outcome in your opinion ???

Stop fooling around. It was a language of any time to which the outcome relates.

Quote: kiril1246

That is, the Jews of the outcome (unless of course it took place) spoke all the same in Hebrew. Only another Hebrew, which unfortunately has not survived to this day. Do I understand you correctly?

Except for regret, yes.

[kiril1246]

Quote: Good_Anonymous

Except for regret, yes.

I already realized that fate brought me to one of the largest Hebraists. Explain to me the following fact: if that language is not preserved, then in what language have Jews prayed every day for several thousand years ???
What language is the Torah written in?

[Professor]

Quote: Good_Anonymous

That language has not survived. No, Hebrew is not him.

It is he. From right to left. No vowels. The pronunciation has changed and some of the larynx we do not share today. Nevertheless, they would understand us, and we all the more.

Quote: Good_Anonymous

Not even close

Just one. Seven-day week is not even religious and Shabbat day off. Kashrut and circumcision (the last among all atheists). Attitude towards family and woman. New Year and the commandments.
Tell me what you eat and I will tell you who you are.

Quote: Good_Anonymous

Jews had many gods in those days

Of course not. Jews from the time of the forefather of Abraham have one Gd.

[Sergey Medvedev]

1. The USSR is not the Russian Empire. Neither politically, nor legally, nor historically. RF is not the USSR. Neither politically, nor legally, nor historically. They intersect some of the territories.

We have with those "tribes" one language, one culture, one Gd. They are us.

There are few hypocrites like you.

[Professor]

Quote: Sergey Medvedev

1. The USSR is not the Russian Empire. Neither politically, nor legally, nor historically. RF is not the USSR. Neither politically, nor legally, nor historically. They intersect some of the territories.

We have with those "tribes" one language, one culture, one Gd. They are us.

There are few hypocrites like you.

You are not careful. I have not written anywhere that the kingdom of Judah and the State are one and the same, or that the second is the successor to the first.

[Sergey1987]

Quote: Nagan

Israel's history of approximately 3500 years

I don’t understand how many years the history of the Jews and Israel? Do you think that the Golan can belong to Israel because they once entered the kingdom of Israel?

[Bukhalov]

Quote: Sergey1987

Quote: Nagan

Israel's history of approximately 3500 years

I don’t understand how many years the history of the Jews and Israel? Do you think that the Golan can belong to Israel because they once entered the kingdom of Israel?

This is not the only reason. Even before the creation of Syria, in 1920, the Golan was set aside for the future Jewish state by the decision of the international conference in San Remo. However, the professor described all these stages of the great "Golan way" in his post. And if it were not for our eternal Jewish carelessness and fear of offending someone, then all the Golan, and not a small part of them, should have been annexed.

[lucul]

The history of Israel is approximately 3500 years, counting from the Exodus from Egypt

Well, here you are, Mr. Foreign Agent ....

[okko077]

Your fairy tale and ravings in books, the slave religion of a corrupt entity, somehow does not look against the backdrop of our 600000-year history. And read your story with your uluses to yourself ...

[Valery Valery]

. We simply recognized the reality on earth and the history that existed in this particular place.

So this is just about the Crimea !!!
Americans open one Pandora's box after another.

[Revolver]

Quote: Valery Valery

Americans open one Pandora's box after another.

What did you want? There are elections in America in a year. In addition, the shit democrats muddied the impeachment story, and one of the accusations against Trump is that he allegedly conspired with the Russians and almost personally with Putin about interference in the 2016 elections, which predetermined the loss of Clintonsha. In such circumstances, the administration is simply forced to maintain a tough line in relations with Russia, even if this is to the detriment of American interests. Dermocrats will immediately file any mitigation as payment for interference in past elections and an advance for the upcoming elections. What to do, politics is a dirty business.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Nagan

What to do, politics is a dirty business.

Politics - the ability to explain, persuade and negotiate, the skill to find weighty arguments, the habit of using verified (reliable) information and much more, which allows you to not uncover the guns and not load bombs in the compartments.
And the dirty politics was invented by gnawing politicians who are accustomed to achieve their selfish goals by lies and violence.

[bar]

Like the president’s family

[Charik]

not, well, his wife is Slovenian, but the fact that the daughter’s husband is a Jew is nothing at all, and he himself the Indian just faded (he saw the mane like an Apache)

[fa2998]

Quote: Astronaut

just recognized history

What story ? The United States with its history does not reach 250 years, and Israel is even an order of magnitude less!

An astronaut and an astronaut! An order of magnitude is 10 times less. What is the history of Israel for 25 years? Jews on those lands (much larger than now) lived 2 thousand years before Christ! Then the invaders (Arabs) lived for centuries these territories. And then they decided to revive Israel - now they already felt sorry for the Arabs - they began to divide the lands.
And in relation to Crimea-Russia, it has been owned for several centuries, and independent Ukraine is 23 years old. Russia has regained its own!

[Astronaut]

For smart mathematicians: Jews are runaway slaves from Egypt and the state they never had until the UN allocated territory after the 2 World War

[Vladimir_2U]

Wow, was such a state of Israel? Until 1949? Do not confuse anything?

[Bukhalov]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Wow, was such a state of Israel? Until 1949? Do not confuse anything?

If we proceed from de jure, then we put it on May 15, 1948. And de facto in the present territory of Israel, the Jewish state never ceased to exist. And this is why .... The Jewish religion, unlike others, contains the entire state forming elements. Any Jewish community living anywhere on the ball was mini Israel. With its local governments and three independent branches of government, including a rabbinical court. Indeed, at the beginning of the 20th century, the Jews of Europe left the towns and began an active process of assimilation. P
But the State of Israel, by this time, was reformatted in Palestine (until its proclamation in 1948), smoothly moving from religious self-government to secular. As for me, this happened back in the twenties of the last century. And without the help of Comrade Stalin, the most sworn friend of the Jews since B. Khmelnitsky. In a slightly different form, let’s say so. Shavua tov, Slavs!
ps. Translation, so as not to think what: a good week!

[Vladimir_2U]

Well 1948, unprincipled. And about Gd selectivity and exclusivity, we are aware. True, there are big doubts that obscurantists, in principle, can transfer power to secular and very sane, in my opinion, authorities.

[bar]

Jews on those lands (much larger than now) lived 2 thousand years before Christ!

Are we talking about the Jews or about the state? So even Europe since the time of the great migration of peoples descendants of the Indians. Well, give Europe to India? And if you dig a little deeper, then they say all the homo-sapiens occurred in southern Africa. Does the whole world belong to South Africa?

[Demon_is_ada]

Well, this is only part of the story, but what happened before Indeed, the study of female DNA confirmed this theory ... until they began to examine the male genome ... here an unpleasant story happened it turned out that some carriers of a certain genome never left their habitat, and it is older than all the others ...

[lucul]

Then the invaders (Arabs) inhabited these territories for several centuries. And then they decided to revive Israel — now they have pitied the Arabs — they began to divide the lands.
And in relation to Crimea-Russia, it has been owned for several centuries, and independent Ukraine is 23 years old. Russia has regained its

But this is the right position.

[Oyo Sarkazmi]

Quote: fa2998

Jews on those lands (much larger than now) lived 2 thousand years before Christ!

That's the archeology in Israel - a division of intelligence, a top secret activity.
From modern Yemen to Palmyra, the territory was inhabited by nabotees, a people who had three gods: - the god-father, the goddess-mother, and the god-son. Akhenaten created a monotheistic cult, which ended in the metropolis, and remained in Asia Minor. In the 5th century BC Yahweh began to supplant the holy trinity. Which, however, remained in Christianity, only the mother goddess was replaced by the holy spirit. At the same time, those nations that are now Arabs, remained a tribunal, until Mohammed came to Jerusalem and adopted Christianity, which under his arm turned into a wild mixture of Judaism and Christianity. Judaism proved to be a very economical religion, and spread from the Volga to Tunisia and the Hindu Kush. Ashkinazi Jews are Persians in genetics. So 2/3 of modern Jews - the Romans.
So if anyone finds a family in Israel whose genetic line has not been interrupted for 2,5 thousand years, the Nobel Prize in medicine is guaranteed to him.

[Revolver]

Quote: Oo sarcasm

So if anyone finds a family in Israel whose genetic line has not been interrupted for 2,5 thousand years, the Nobel Prize in medicine is guaranteed to him.

Have you heard of the cohen? Direct descendants of Aron, the brother of Moses, the first in a row of high priests, on the male line. All with the names Kogan, Cohen, Kaganovich, and other variations on this subject. There was an experiment - they took DNA from cogenes for research. So, as a result, almost all of them, taking into account gene mutations for about 4000 years, have the same Y chromosome, which is transmitted from father to son and not otherwise. All of them have cohen from Europe, Tunisia, Yemen. And even Ethiopia - seemingly natural African Americans , but the chromosome is the same. Those few sharp deviations that cannot be explained by mutations were most likely due to rape or marital infidelity - you never know what could have happened in 4000 years.

[Oyo Sarkazmi]

Quote: Nagan

The direct descendants of Aron, the brother of Moses,

Brother of Moses? Where did the brother thrown into the river, picked up by completely strangers, come from? Was it chipped by birth?
Also, with the claims of Isa / Jesus to the royal throne of Judea, Joseph vowed that he did not recline with Mary, but claims were announced on the basis that Joseph had in the ancestors of the kings of Judah.

[taiga2018]

Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems that historically some US territories belonged to Mexico ...

[Cryvedco]

Yes. And not only Mexico ...

[taiga2018]

Quote: Creedco

Yes. And not only Mexico ...

That is, this "diplomat", without suspecting it, is planting a bomb, albeit a very slow one ...

[SOVIET UNION 2]

The only question is, who will undermine this bomb? And so this bomb has been planted since the founding of this country. Another interesting point. Why is the United States raising these questions? Are they so sinless, or are others so soiled? Or are they under the fifth of the USA? Why does no one dare to ask this question to the states?

[Cryvedco]

And there is nobody to ask this question, except us. But from the time of the Romanovs it is customary for us to look back at the opinion of the West. Although there was a short period not so long ago, when they could ask.

[taiga2018]

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

They are so sinless

Here the matter, in my opinion, is different — most often there are separatist sentiments in those countries where the living standards are not very high, because it’s hard to imagine that for example, most California residents want to separate from the prosperous USA, on the contrary, for example, Puerto Rico residents refused independence and wanted to be part of this country ...

[Oyo Sarkazmi]

Have you asked the indigenous people of California? Those who are only allowed to be firefighters? Neither the police, nor, God forbid, America - the governor?
After all, they also have a standard of living - not so hot.

[Binder]

And I’m definitely not mistaken - historically, some territories of Russia belonged to other states: Finland, Germany, the Ottoman Empire, Japan, etc. But today no one in Russia is going to return these territories.

[taiga2018]

Quote: Bindyuzhnik

And I'm definitely not mistaken

I’ll tell you more, some territories belonged to the Kazan, Siberian, Astrakhan, Crimean khanates, the Nogai Horde, and even earlier to the Khazars, Pechenegs, Polovets ... But none of them claims their rights, and if not, this means the territory of Russia ...

[Binder]

Quote: taiga2018

none of them claims their rights, and if not, then this is the territory of Russia ...

And even if presented as the Japanese, then these territories still remain Russian.

[taiga2018]

Quote: Bindyuzhnik

Japanese,

And it’s even easier with these, our country fought, our country won and won these lands as the winner, just like the Kaliningrad region ... Nothing prevents the Japanese and Germans from trying to return these territories by the same method ... Let them try ...

[Binder]

Quote: taiga2018

, our country fought, our country won and received these lands as a winner

A completely similar situation with the Golan Heights - Israel fought, won and received these lands.

[Revolver]

Quote: taiga2018

none of them claims their rights

Well, how the Tatars suddenly show? The Chechens presented! Yes, well, Chechens, if they were sitting in their mountains, grazing sheep, and everyone would not care if their independence was not considered a bad blow to the country's prestige. But the fact that the rogues not only presented, but also chopped off the lands of Little Russia historically from Russia, is not only prestige, but also damaging damage to the country's economy and defense.

[sniperino]

Quote: Nagan

roguli not only presented, but also chopped off from Russia historically it belonged to the lands of Little Russia

You confuse rogues with the Bolsheviks or with the Austrians. The former chopped off as it was convenient for them to create a temporary state that would lay the foundation for the New World, and there was an equal attitude to Russia, Ukraine, Tajikistan and other republics - as to dying states. Since they should die out towards communism, this is what they decided to fill the content of socialism with. And on the way to us, in theory, countries with developed industry and the proletariat should have joined under the leadership of their vanguards, such as Germany, the USA, etc., and there, all sorts of pre-imperialist sheikhs and brahmanas will have nothing left to do but change their shoes to the Communists or burn out alive in the World Fire, which was supposed to cleanse the world from all who would not rejoice in the victory of Communism.
The second communist project of the Ukrainian SSR was also a project of under-state, which was intended to die out in the process of the victory of socialism in the course of the economic competition between the two systems. Stalin wrote in "Economic Problems of Socialism" that we do not have a theory, which means, read, there is no understanding of what will happen next to the RSFSR and the Ukrainian SSR, but no one heard him. With the collapse of the USSR, Ukraine took up an almost Khrushchev slogan "we (with Europe) will show them (Russia) Kuzkin's mother", but in the same soft paradigm of economic competition.
And then the streams of anti-historical literature eroded the young political consciousness of the Ukrainians, and after 2008 they gradually returned to the "zero" Austro-Hungarian project of Anti-Russia, which won the Maidan.
I consider the history of the state of Ukraine to be correctly described only in this perspective.

[English tarantas]

I dare to correct: not Finland, but Sweden, not Germany, but the former Prussia / Reich, the Ottoman Empire, who wanted to enslave the whole world and convert it to Islam, the militaristic Japanese Empire (remember the Chinese adventures of the samurai), and no one is going to return these territories, therefore that no one who wanted to secede (Central Asia), and who wanted to secede to be an enemy convinced him. And the same America, first cut out the Indians, then pressed south from Mexico, managed to fight with other colonialists, then also fought with the mother country, and then also fought with each other so that the north subjugated the south.

[Evil 55]

And with a knowledge of history at the State Department, oh how bad ...

[Sayan]

Yes, something like a light bulb opinion of this trait

[Vladimir_2U]

Well, if you follow the logic of this one, then Russia should declare war in Ukraine, declare victory right there, declare the end of the war, and as a result of all this, "Crimea is ours" is already officially and according to all international laws, well, as this one understands them, the head of the State Department who.

[demo]

I remembered an anecdote about how on the Georgian collective farm (when it was!) At the end of the year, the chairman awarded the distinguished students.
And in the end, a new Volga, a son, a new Volga, and a wife, an accountant, new Lada.
And then the oldest collective farmer gets up and says the sacramental phrase: "Well done, your mother, he said well!"
I would like to say exactly the same words to Pompeo.

If you do not take into account the essence of what was said, but only take into account the level of knowledge of ALL American officials, that in the field of geography, that in the field of history, then one should not be surprised.

That would be to gavrik not to think at a briefing, but to ordinary conversation.
I have no doubt that Pompeo's knowledge of "obviously different factual circumstances" would have ended with exactly this phrase.

[Aliken]

Pompeo generally can not ask for anything to explain, a rare rascal.

[Shahno]

Quote: Astronaut

For smart mathematicians: Jews are runaway slaves from Egypt and the state they never had until the UN allocated territory after the 2 World War

And about the Hasmonean kingdom, about the kingdom of Israel, about the kingdom of Judea, you haven’t heard the type, but read it now ... Maybe you even know the Macawites, or the Maccabi Tel Aviv team.
You can leave the sophistry wretched, like Israel wasn’t exactly ...

[Jerk]

Israel wasn’t exactly like that ...

Here! And Moses led the elves on the rainbow, but in Egypt - were they on vacation? Well, I’ll keep silent about different sykaries - no one founded terrorism ...

[Jerk]

Remember ...

Roosevelt first called "Our son of a bitch"

[Moskovit]

You are only to blame for what I want to eat.
The mooing of Pompeo only confirms the absolutely voluntaristic approach of the USA to international law.

[Shahno]

Quote: Jerk

Israel wasn’t exactly like that ...

Here! And Moses led the elves on the rainbow, but in Egypt - were they on vacation? Well, I’ll keep silent about different sykaries - no one founded terrorism ...

My opinion about the times of Moses, there were more epics (if historians cannot even figure out which pharaoh happened).
About the sikaria sect, well, there were different manifestations. There were people like Yeshua ... Nobody idealizes.

[Demon_is_ada]

Paul, the history of the Jewish people is not related to Jewish statehood. And yet, yes, the Jews are a chosen people, and the most distressed is a fact. It’s worth reminding you that the first holocaust was not made by Hitler, but by Jehovah, the first time by the flood in person, the second time by the hands of Moses and his ascetics being massacred by the bodies and probably only because everyone is white and fluffy ... yeah ... The question is - who elected and for what? That is the whole problem. And now you will have a terrible insider - remember the story about the fact that after the creation of the Jewish state and the construction of the temple, the end of the world will begin? Well, this is not a fairy tale, it really will and has already begun ... And the beginning will not be where Israel is now ... The trick is that the Temple is built in the soul, and not in the form of a building, and this is how the people of your tribe will massively establish themselves the conviction of one’s superiority and innate nature to steer, so it starts so that then it doesn’t seem like much ... Femenism is the brick of that temple ... Yeah, but it started in Russia, and not in Israel. Israel is an American puppet, has nothing to do with the state. Why did Jehovah scatter you? And you suffer because of your own stupidity, it has been so since the time of your creation. Besides you, there are no fools on the planet to fight with Yegova, and never has been ... It starts if it flies to us, so as not to relax ... Remember World War II - Hitler destroyed, everyone went crazy in the USSR, and then totalitarianism and no independence do you feel God's providence with your booty? Who is now khayut a mustache of a person of Jewish nationality ... do you smell a catch?

[sniperino]

Quote: Demon_is_ada

Besides you, there are no wicked people on the planet to fight with Jehovah and never have been

I wonder who proposed in 1948 to call the new state such a godless name - Israel (Struggling with God)? Why not Judea? It seems to have spoken Yiddish, self-name yida (I do not want to fight against an illiterate, but very politically correct car dealer), the religion of Judaism - everything gravitates towards the second name of the two ancient kingdoms, but they called Israel.

[Demon_is_ada]

I can’t say for sure, I don’t know, but in mysticism (religion not at the level of parishioners) there is a lot of black humor, like cross-over like Slavic languages ​​where a freak is beautiful ... Maybe their ears were frostbite in spite, maybe someone maliciously suggested ... it seems like that what is happening now on the outskirts, apparently the sober-up does not make a noise ...

[1536]

Another American cad is quoted as if it was William Shakespeare or Leo Tolstoy. Yes, this cowboy would go to w .. pu!

[Procopius Nesterov]

Crimea became part of Russia in 1783. The USA in 1783 gained independence as a state, ending the war of independence against Great Britain.

[nikon7717]

Quote: Pessimist22

Texas was taken from Mexico.

No wonder it looks like Texas really wants to separate, and on the border with Mexico the Yankees are building a great wall

[samarin1969]

"Pompey" himself understands that he is talking nonsense. He just likes to change the world with one American word.

[axiles100682]

What nonsense are they trying to justify the present existence and its territorial claims by some kind of ancient Jewish entity. Well then, let's object the state of Astoria, Babylon, Maya, Inca, Ancient Egypt. If you start from this statement, then such a bicker will begin. States appear and disappear, the revival of the Jewish state was necessary for the powers that be after WWII. No matter how much the desire and struggle of the Jews for gaining their own statehood was reduced, Israel would not have appeared without the support of the leading powers of the world

[Vasyan1971]

Not only are the standards double, they are also flexible to the point of amazement!

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Shahno

Quote: Astronaut

For smart mathematicians: Jews are runaway slaves from Egypt and the state they never had until the UN allocated territory after the 2 World War

And about the Hasmonean kingdom, about the kingdom of Israel, about the kingdom of Judea, you haven’t heard the type, but read it now ... Maybe you even know the Macawites, or the Maccabi Tel Aviv team.
You can leave the sophistry wretched, like Israel wasn’t exactly ...

In 1999, a large information bomb about Jewish lies exploded. For more than 70 years, Jewish archaeologists have been excavating the lands of present-day Israel and the neighboring lands of Palestine in order to prove to the whole world, including Jews, the authenticity of the Bible story of the Jewish people as a God-chosen nation.

And oh horror! The Jewish archaeologist, Professor Z. Herzog, ventured to oppose Zionist lies and published sensational findings of almost a century of archaeological excavations. Thus, science claims that there was no biblical period in the history of Jews and Israel, there was no Exodus from Egypt, no wanderings around the Sinai, no siege Jericho by Joshua, nor the great empire of David and Solomon. The Israeli newspaper Haaretz published a sensational statement by the famous archaeologist Professor Zeev Herzog. The Duke claims - no more, no less - that the Bible period in Israel's history never existed at all. According to his statements, there was no exodus from Egypt, no wanderings in Sinai, no siege of Jericho by Joshua, no great power of David and Solomon.
The duke came to the conclusion that the fundamental provisions of the Bible do not correspond to historical realities. According to him, 70 years of excavations in the land of present-day Israel and Palestine have not provided a single confirmation of the facts set forth in the Old Testament. According to Z. Herzog, “no matter how difficult it is to put up with it, the people of Israel did not leave Egypt, did not wander in the desert, did not conquer Eretz Israel, and the glorified state of King David was not a great regional power, but was a small tribal principality ...

[Demon_is_ada]

They just didn’t dig there, if you carefully read the Bible, it’s clear that these are pieces of history of different periods, insignificant gaps are thrown out, and the promised land is not in Israel , like the eternal Rome ... Over time, the truth will creep out ... You need to look in the mines on the African continent ...

[Prisoner]

Hypocritical, arrogant and dishonorable rats!

[PValery53]

"The United States recognizes the Golan Heights as the territory of Israel and does not recognize Crimea as the territory of Russia because there" are obviously different factual circumstances. "This was stated by US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.
- These politicians have long been ridiculed by our satirists. "Here - to play, here - not to play, but here - the fish was wrapped." For a selfish, profitable ONLY for oneself, interpretation of all situations in the world, it is useful to regularly and systematically give a hat to America, make such "attempts" unprofitable for America.

[A5V]

Recognition of the Golan as Israeli is in the interests of the United States, recognition of the Russian Crimea is not. That’s the whole difference. Although of course they will justify it by international law, history, chemical weapons and other bullshit.

[Shahno]

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

Quote: Shahno

Quote: Astronaut

For smart mathematicians: Jews are runaway slaves from Egypt and the state they never had until the UN allocated territory after the 2 World War

And about the Hasmonean kingdom, about the kingdom of Israel, about the kingdom of Judea, you haven’t heard the type, but read it now ... Maybe you even know the Macawites, or the Maccabi Tel Aviv team.
You can leave the sophistry wretched, like Israel wasn’t exactly ...

In 1999, a large information bomb about Jewish lies exploded. For more than 70 years, Jewish archaeologists have been excavating the lands of present-day Israel and the neighboring lands of Palestine in order to prove to the whole world, including Jews, the authenticity of the Bible story of the Jewish people as a God-chosen nation.

And oh horror! The Jewish archaeologist, Professor Z. Herzog, ventured to oppose Zionist lies and published sensational findings of almost a century of archaeological excavations. Thus, science claims that there was no biblical period in the history of Jews and Israel, there was no Exodus from Egypt, no wanderings around the Sinai, no siege Jericho by Joshua, nor the great empire of David and Solomon. The Israeli newspaper Haaretz published a sensational statement by the famous archaeologist Professor Zeev Herzog. The Duke claims - no more, no less - that the Bible period in Israel's history never existed at all. According to his statements, there was no exodus from Egypt, no wanderings in Sinai, no siege of Jericho by Joshua, no great power of David and Solomon.
The duke came to the conclusion that the fundamental provisions of the Bible do not correspond to historical realities. According to him, 70 years of excavations in the land of present-day Israel and Palestine have not provided a single confirmation of the facts set forth in the Old Testament. According to Z. Herzog, “no matter how difficult it is to put up with it, the people of Israel did not leave Egypt, did not wander in the desert, did not conquer Eretz Israel, and the glorified state of King David was not a great regional power, but was a small tribal principality ...

// And, oh, horror! The Jewish archaeologist, Professor Z. Herzog, ventured to go against the Zionist lies and published the sensational findings of almost a century of archaeological excavations.
Why are you surprised? Here, physics is periodically redone. And archeology even more so.
Dear professor, he will now interpret the facts for a long time.
For example, the Assyrian king Sargon 2, which he conquered in 720 BC. This is described in detail in archaeological monuments and documents, for example, in the Annals of Sargon.
This is what it wasn’t, Sargon conquered .. Well, itd ...

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: Shahno

For example, the Assyrian king Sargon 2, which he conquered in 720 BC. This is described in detail in archaeological monuments and documents, for example, in the Annals of Sargon.

Nobody paints anything in archaeological sites And to believe the "Annals" should be no more than any chronicles.

[faterdom]

Yes, this does not mean anything else, as a very low level of erudition and general secondary education, even among top US officials, Pompeo, I recall, was the director of the CIA, and now the head of the State Department.
And what, how does he look next to, say, Naryshkin or Lavrov? A kind of obtuse fat Porthos: "I fight because I fight!"
And here we are laughing when Vovan and Lexus bred American senators in Limpopo and Aibolit ... I'm afraid they don’t even understand our laughter, or at least it will take a long time to explain ...

[Astra wild]

They: "see the difference between the Golan Heights and the Crimea," but I see duplicity.
Some of us need to turn to a specialist and guess who, and you think so too?

[English tarantas]

It is interesting, but if, God forbid, the Russian Federation takes Ukraine to Kiev, they will say that Kiev is historically not Russian?

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Shahno

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

Quote: Shahno

Quote: Astronaut

For smart mathematicians: Jews are runaway slaves from Egypt and the state they never had until the UN allocated territory after the 2 World War

And about the Hasmonean kingdom, about the kingdom of Israel, about the kingdom of Judea, you haven’t heard the type, but read it now ... Maybe you even know the Macawites, or the Maccabi Tel Aviv team.
You can leave the sophistry wretched, like Israel wasn’t exactly ...

In 1999, a large information bomb about Jewish lies exploded. For more than 70 years, Jewish archaeologists have been excavating the lands of present-day Israel and the neighboring lands of Palestine in order to prove to the whole world, including Jews, the authenticity of the Bible story of the Jewish people as a God-chosen nation.

And oh horror! The Jewish archaeologist, Professor Z. Herzog, ventured to oppose Zionist lies and published sensational findings of almost a century of archaeological excavations. Thus, science claims that there was no biblical period in the history of Jews and Israel, there was no Exodus from Egypt, no wanderings around the Sinai, no siege Jericho by Joshua, nor the great empire of David and Solomon. The Israeli newspaper Haaretz published a sensational statement by the famous archaeologist Professor Zeev Herzog. The Duke claims - no more, no less - that the Bible period in Israel's history never existed at all. According to his statements, there was no exodus from Egypt, no wanderings in Sinai, no siege of Jericho by Joshua, no great power of David and Solomon.
The duke came to the conclusion that the fundamental provisions of the Bible do not correspond to historical realities. According to him, 70 years of excavations in the land of present-day Israel and Palestine have not provided a single confirmation of the facts set forth in the Old Testament. According to Z. Herzog, “no matter how difficult it is to put up with it, the people of Israel did not leave Egypt, did not wander in the desert, did not conquer Eretz Israel, and the glorified state of King David was not a great regional power, but was a small tribal principality ...

// And, oh, horror! The Jewish archaeologist, Professor Z. Herzog, ventured to go against the Zionist lies and published the sensational findings of almost a century of archaeological excavations.
Why are you surprised? Here, physics is periodically redone. And archeology even more so.
Dear professor, he will now interpret the facts for a long time.
For example, the Assyrian king Sargon 2, which he conquered in 720 BC. This is described in detail in archaeological monuments and documents, for example, in the Annals of Sargon.
This is what it wasn’t, Sargon conquered .. Well, itd ...

For subsequent times, the identity of the founder of the kingdom of Akkad Sargon the Ancient was shrouded in a fairytale haze of tradition; it is still not easy for us to separate the legend from history, although genuine inscriptions have come down from Sargon, which, unfortunately, are rather mean in content. The real name of Sargon is unknown, and the name Sharrumken, which means in the East Semitic “the king is true,” he, in all probability, accepted already upon accession to the throne.

[Antares]

Like a person, any country interprets any phenomenon or event, how it wants and how it benefits it.
What the USA, what the Russian Federation interpret diametrically opposite, because it is beneficial to them,
It’s not surprising that the words of one cause misunderstanding of the other (I’m right and he’s wrong).
Because we are all primates ...

[Ros 56]

I thought he’s smarter, he will analyze the facts, and he will juggle the facts with the facts.

[Terenin]

US Secretary of State M. Pompeo: "Obviously different factual circumstances."

Oh, , one can feel the school of well-worked "diplomacy" of cowboys from behind a puddle, at any level and on all issues. They memorized, for any situation, this sentence of these four words, and it does not matter in what order to pronounce them:
"the circumstances are actually different, obviously"
"different, apparently in fact, circumstances"
"the actual circumstances are obviously different."...

[Berkut24]

Yes, all this logic is based on impudence, stupidity and greed. Time will put everything in its place. Where injustice will burn constantly. The United States will not have enough fire foam for all fires. They themselves are pushing the world to a new redivision.

[Souchastnik]

"These are scoundrels, but these are our scoundrels", "You are only to blame for the fact that I want to eat ..." You can remember something else, but the essence is the same: we are so profitable, and we do not care ... others think this.

[Turkir]

There is a set of international norms and concepts, there are factual circumstances that contradict them, and where these norms are built, we must recognize them

And there is a set of words that does not make any sense, although they are taken from international norms and concepts that contradict the actual circumstances. In order to build the set of words that fat Mike spat out, it is not necessary to be a secretary of state, but you must be a schizophrenic.

[Operator]

It's time to introduce Russian tanks to the Baltic states - history, however

[TermNachTer]

Well, with this approach and this argumentation, you can "base" on anything.

[Bukhalov]

Quote: Vladimir16

Golan territory of Syria. The Syrians need to drive the Jews from there with a filthy broom.

Well, this is unlikely, as Comrade Sukhov said. And you yourself decided that the territory of the Golan Heights is Syrian? Or did Mehan suggest? I remember being on VO the character Vladimir-5 -Your forerunner, so to speak. So he once wrote Andrei Andreevich Gromyko, together with Suslov as a Jew. And he argued about this to the point of hoarseness. Is this not your relative by chance, or just your reincarnation? You should first learn some history, and then post about what you don't know. LIKBEZ: for you personally. The very name of the Golan Heights comes from the name of the Hebrew city of Golan. These heights are primordially Jewish territory (as evidenced by the excavations and documents from the time of the hell of King Herod), which was invaded by the Arab invaders in the seventh century AD, but did not keep it. And until the end of the First World War, the Golan belonged to Ottoman Turkey. There were no Arabs there, never, never, I stress from the word never, on this land there was not one, from the word of not a single Arab state. In 1917, Great Britain (small-shaven, if in your opinion, in Vladimir style) adopted the Balfour Declaration on the need to create a Jewish state in Palestine. In 1920, an international conference was held in San Remo (following the results of the First World War, in which Turkey was defeated). Great Britain received a mandate to temporarily govern the former Turkish territories in the Middle East. According to paragraphs 5-8 of the mandate, on the territory of a completely deserted Jewish Palestine (read for the sake of interest "Simpletons Abroad" by Mark Twain) a Jewish state was to be formed, which included the Golan Heights. And no one has ever canceled this decision. It is still in force; moreover, it was duplicated by the League of Nations. In this regard, Baron Edmond Rothschild, bought from Turkish (not Arab !!!) owners of land in the Golan. But in 1923, England, in violation of the decision of the conference in San Remo, the League of Nations, contrary to the terms of the mandate received, transferred the Golan to France, and that, after the proclamation of Syria, already in the mid-forties, to this state. And there is a Jewish deed of sale for the Golan, and there are international decisions on belonging to Israel. Syria's aggression against Israel in 1967 led to the fact that the Golan, or rather a small part of them, went to Israel. In addition, Syria used the Golan until 1967, exclusively for shelling Israel. From the Golan, Haifa is clearly visible. They tried to cut off the Kinneret from the rivers and streams flowing from the Golan. That's how it was. Pompeo spoke about this story. And with a filthy broom, as you say, it is necessary to drive from VO those who churn out propaganda and anti-Israeli slogans, without bothering about objectivity. Due to prejudice and elementary illiteracy.

[Andrey VOV]

Here it is., As they would say now, the total and total sacrifice of the USE .... and it’s just DEMAGOGUS, exactly, with a capital letter, it’s soft, so that it’s banned

[midshipman]

They ask Chapaev: "Vasily Ivanovich, are there whites in America?" Chapaev's answer: "Yes, there are whites, but the indigenous population of America is red." And I think Jews.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

The Golan Heights were captured by Israel, and Crimea and Sevastopol became part of Russia independently and voluntarily.

But the difference is that it is not profitable for the United States to recognize Crimea as Russian, but supporting their ally in the Middle East, Israel and exacerbating its military situation with Syria, provoking a new Syrian-Israeli conflict is beneficial for them. And the United States acts just guided only by self-interest, and not by law or historical truth.

[Bukhalov]

Quote: Bindyuzhnik

Quote: taiga2018

, our country fought, our country won and received these lands as a winner

A completely similar situation with the Golan Heights - Israel fought, won and received these lands.

I will add that based on the decisions of the 1920 San Remo conference, the League of Nations and the British mandate on Palestine, as well as the Israeli merchandise, the Golan Heights were, are and will be an integral part of Israel. On that stood and will stand Jewish land.

[Lelek]

The situation is obviously different, and we spoke very clearly about this when the decision was made (on the recognition of the Golan Heights). We simply recognized the reality on earth and the history that existed in this particular place.

Mmmdy, Mike was not friends with history in his youth and is in contradictions now. IMHO, and do not give a damn about these state Department "non-recognition", Crimea is Russia, so the Russian people decided (democracy in action).

[Operator]

Quote: Slavs

40 years in the desert poked around

1800 years since the Roman deportation from Palestine.

[cosmonaut]

in short, you didn’t get a hare. I don’t like your face)))

[Ross xnumx]

In the old days they said about these:
LYING LIKE A GRAY GELING.

[Operator]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

The Jews have seen them all, and they are the same now as they always were - Mark Twain

Wait a little and you will become “the same as always” - roll over the fields.

Syrian Kurds confirm

[Bukhalov]

Quote: Lelek

The situation is obviously different, and we spoke very clearly about this when the decision was made (on the recognition of the Golan Heights). We simply recognized the reality on earth and the history that existed in this particular place.

Mmmdy, Mike was not friends with history in his youth and is in contradictions now. IMHO, and do not give a damn about these state Department "non-recognition", Crimea is Russia, so the Russian people decided (democracy in action).

And the Golan is Israel. This is what the Jewish people decided through the Knesset deputies, to whom they delegated the rights to make this decision, through free and democratic elections. (Democracy in Action).

[Penetrating]

For me, this map has always been convincing: everything is clear here in Crimea and Donbass and in Ukraine as a whole.
And the hotbeds of tension are also obvious.
And it’s clear why in some places the “Russian spring” worked and in others it fizzled out. There can be no “Russian spring” in the blue territory (according to the map), this is current Ukraine. So there will be no campaign against Kyiv, this There will already be a war of conquest; it is unlikely that the Russian Federation in its current configuration will cope with this. We need to negotiate based on the realities of the current situation.

[Golovan Jack]

Baby, I’ll repeat to you - where is AWHILO going?

[Penetrating]

Glad to meet you, dear forum member.)

[Penetrating]

Can I ask you an indiscreet question? You have been registered here on the site for two years and have made 7687 comments. That's 10 comments a day.
I've always wondered how people cope with this.
You are not tired?)

[Samaks]

So, according to the Amer’s opinion, the centuries-old ownership of Crimea by Russia is not a historical fact???

[Mikhail Drabkin]

Quote: Ural-4320

I don’t agree with the phrase “America is Russia’s rival”.....

Relations between states are dynamic and multi-vector, but their most probable, and based on facts, state can be classified from a ring sample:
—-neutrals
—-forced co-tenants (in the “communal apartment” Earth)
—-competitors
—-rivals
—-enemies
—-winner/defeated
—-patron/vassal
—-forcibly a fellow traveler
—-master/slave
—-allies
—-neutrals
How does America treat Russia?

[Chingachguk]

It's all about the world community's acceptance of the American bird language and bird arguments. They constantly talk nonsense without question, draw conclusions from it and immediately take action. And the European Union stupidly looks at them like a cow in a lush meadow, remains silent and chews its cud. This is where the white helmets, Highly Likes and all the other “authoritative” bird expressions came from, on the basis of which Russia is accused.

[Yury Siritsky]

What a difference between a butt and an ass. It turned out to be big for America.

[Operator]

Quote: Good_Anonymous

Jews had many gods in those days

You are arguing with obvious sectarians from Judaism

The Torah (according to our Old Testament) clearly states that only one tribe of the patriarch Abraham was chosen by God. All other Western Semitic tribes, including those who lived in Canaan (Canaanites, Amorites, Jebusites, etc.), had nothing to do with the Abrahamic tribe, which was called Habiru and was, like all its neighbors, pagans (the goddess Ishtar and others West Semitic pantheon).

The Habiru kept small livestock (sheep and goats) and roamed the territory of what is now Iraq, Syria, Palestine and Jordan. 1400 BC Due to drought, they were forced to move to Egypt, where they were attached to the land as state peasants and gradually began to assimilate. Having gained experience in agriculture and monotheism during the reforms of Pharaoh Ekhtaton, the top Habiru decided to emigrate back to Asia 1300 BC.

The Habiru elite planned to switch to a sedentary agricultural way of life, relying on a new monotheistic religion in the image and likeness of the religion of Pharaoh Ekhtaton. To do this, the spiritual leader of the Habiru, Moses, led circles of his fellow tribesmen around the Sinai desert for 40 months, until they were ready for anything, including renouncing paganism.

Moses announced that supposedly 700 years ago, a single god bequeathed the land of Canaan to the forefather Abraham on one condition - if the Habiru accepted a monotheistic religion. Since writing among the Jews appeared only 100 years later, no written evidence of such a testament by Moses was presented.

After his first meeting with God on Mount Sinai, Moses announced the divine commandments to the Jews - orally, of course. During Moses' second meeting with God, the Jews en masse began to abandon monotheism, and therefore the top of the tribe had to drown the rebellion in blood, and Moses had a third meeting with God, having received written commandments from him - stone tablets.

After coming to Canaan, the Jews, under the leadership of the military leader Joshua, began to carry out mass genocide of scattered Western Semitic tribes under the pretext of their pagan religion and seize their fertile lands. By 1000 B.C. Most of the cleared territory of Canaan was inhabited by a tribe of Jews, who formed several of their own states. At the same time, the entire coastal zone of Canaan remained with the Philistines, in whose honor Canaan was named Falestina by the Greeks and Romans.

Over the next 1100 years, Jews repeatedly rebelled and converted to paganism, and then, with the help of state power, returned to monotheism, were evicted to Babylon, where they also partially converted to paganism (bondage), and for several hundred years were subjected to total Hellenization by the Macedonian colonialists with the conversion of houses of worship. (synagogues) and the only temple in Jerusalem to pagan Greek temples, and finally in the 2nd century AD. were deported by the Romans from Egypt and Mesopotamia with the subsequent destruction of all synagogues and the Jerusalem temple.

As for the language: before Hellenization, Jews spoke Hebrew, after Hellenization - in Arabic Aramaic (Hebrew was preserved only as the language of religious services, similar to Church Slavonic). During the stay of Jewish migrants in Europe, they created Yiddish based on the German language. Hebrew was artificially recreated as the main language of the Jews after the formation of the State of Israel by decision of the UN in 1947. The vocabulary, spelling and syntax of Hebrew were developed by linguists taking into account modern realities within the framework of government orders.

[pafegosoff]

But it was a shame for the kings to creep before the USA in the 18th and 19th centuries.
This is a super-fascist country. Stolypin, having visited there, reported to Nicholas II that the tsarist regime, in comparison with the police dictatorship of the USA, was the height of democracy.
Vile trading country!

[Sapsan136]

The only difference is in the wishes of the United States, and also in the fact that Crimea, according to the Treaty of Yassy, ​​is part of Russia... and not Ukraine