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170 of thousands of Russian passports for LDNR: a lot or a little?

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Progress is evident



Today, the initial process of obtaining Russian passports seems monstrous: kilometer-long queues, fainting old women, citizens spending the night under the offices of the Migration Service in cars ... After the introduction of the electronic queue, things went much faster and, to be honest, a lot more humane.

Still, those who refused to participate in the battle for Russian passports in the first months turned out to be right. Today, the process is much more comfortable and much faster. Unfortunately, there are still people who submitted documents at the beginning of the summer, but did not wait for any answer. It is likely that in the turmoil of those days, their papers were simply lost or were improperly executed. Today, obtaining a Russian passport on average takes a month and a half - quickly and conveniently!

Pitfalls


The process revealed a lot of nuances that initially no one in the Migration Service deemed worthy of attention. Information on how LDNR residents with a Russian passport to apply for SNILS in Russia, how to marry, register, etc., became available only in recent weeks. The discoverers had to act by trial and error.

Various nuances related to the specific status of the republics were also revealed. So, residents of LDNR who want to live in the Russian Federation need to get registration for 180 days or pay a fine. On the "main land" are not quoted driver's license obtained in New Russia. It is also recommended to immediately apply for a passport in order to be able to return to the republic, when they will make a new Russian passport upon reaching 45 years. Without a doubt, there are other nuances that we do not yet know about: for example, how can a Russian citizen living in the Donbass register and register with different services of a newborn? It is a pity that all this information appeared so late.

Many or few?


In the DPR they report about 55 thousand issued passports, in the LPR they talk about 40 thousand. At the same time, the Governor of the Rostov Region Vasily Golubev said that the number of citizens who received Russian citizenship exceeded 170 thousand people. Probably, after all, there is some kind of special queue for civil servants and the military, which moves parallel to the general flow.

It is also known that at the moment, among the public sector employees, work is underway to find out the exact number of employees who have received Russian citizenship. Those who have not yet managed are invited to obtain a Russian passport with additional “amenities”. Apparently, it was decided to grant Russian citizenship to all residents of LDNR.

The process somewhat slows down a small number of LDNR internal passports among residents of the republics. Passport desks now have crazy lines. In the electronic line for obtaining an internal passport, people are already registered in April-May. In the next few years, those who have lost or ruined a passport can not expect to replace a document.

How long ?!


170 of thousands of Russian passports is about 28,3 thousand per month. Subsequently, when all civil servants, military and state employees receive their passports, the overall speed will slightly decrease. At the same time, it is worth noting that LDNR found resources and is currently opening additional branches of the Migration Service, which significantly unload the existing ones and accelerate the certification process.

If the granting of Russian citizenship is carried out at the same pace, it will take more than a decade to issue passports to the entire population of LDNR. Of course, this is very slow.

Again, the question remains: how will Russia react to the assassination of Ukrainian citizens by APU or the destruction of their property? There is no escaping deep concern here. Time will tell.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 18 November 2019 05: 49 New
    +7
    How will Russia react to the assassination of Ukrainian armed forces by Russian citizens or the destruction of their property?

    And that the example of the Israeli secret services is not enough ... to find and destroy the killers or, if possible, seize and bring to trial ... do not portray regret and concern ... all this looks silly in the eyes of our citizens.
    1. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 18 November 2019 09: 22 New
      +5
      In general, back in 2014, Russia had to take a tougher stance on Ukraine, suspending relations until the shelling of the Donbass ceased.
      1. Greg Miller
        Greg Miller 18 November 2019 10: 11 New
        +9
        In 2014, Russia did not have to fight the shelling, but solve the Ukrainian question completely ...
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 18 November 2019 10: 16 New
          +1
          170 thousand is less than 10%. But I do not believe what the authorities do not know about themselves, about some special queue. Therefore, more than 95 thousand passports were issued, as it was calculated in the Donbass. And this is already less than 5%.
          What is this talking about. On the effectiveness of bureaucratic work. And how promises are actually realized.

          Leaders in Russia all the time promise to raise the level of well-being of the people. Fighting poverty. They talk about jerks and breakouts. Someone even vowed to keep pensions ... However, in reality, only 10% live well (very well) with us. The rest - you hold on and good mood!
        2. Fibrizio
          Fibrizio 18 November 2019 13: 04 New
          -1
          Russia in Ukraine is extremely concerned about Russia. In itself, it cannot do anything, so our entire line of behavior is built taking into account the reaction of those countries that can really do something for us. And it's not about physical strength.
          We received relatively mild sanctions; in the West we reported that the work was done.
          If we completely closed the issue with Ukraine in 2014, we could get a trade embargo. Yes, the West would have suffered a lot, but we would have suffered for the present.
          This is where the situation came from, Crimea was taken away, the LPR and the DPR prevent Ukraine from living.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 18 November 2019 15: 34 New
            +2
            Quote: Fibrizio
            Crimea was taken


            What is it like? It was joining. “Taken away” - a synonym for “taken away” request
            1. Fibrizio
              Fibrizio 18 November 2019 16: 12 New
              +1
              I think no matter what, the essence of this does not change. It reminds me very much of some hunting "aesthetics" God forbid you say you didn’t "get" but shot a beast, or God forbid killed it. They will be offended, they will twist a finger at the temple. Like we do not kill and get. But all these are words. The point is not changing for the beast, and Crimea has changed its jurisdiction.
              1. Bear040
                Bear040 19 November 2019 03: 07 New
                +1
                Crimea was not taken away, Crimea was returned ... According to the Yassky Treaty, Crimea belongs to Russia, according to it, it leaves Turkey, if Russia refuses it ... Thus, there are no legal grounds for Crimea to be part of Ukraine and never was ... What to Donbass, then it could and should have been included in the Russian Federation in 2014, and with a competent policy, Odessa would have spoiled the blood of Bandera today ...
                1. Fibrizio
                  Fibrizio 19 November 2019 09: 44 New
                  0
                  Crimea is pleased that it later became part of the Russian Empire.
                  How much is he ours? 250 years old? This is a drop in the ocean. Before that, who did not own it (and more than 250 years by the way). No one claims rights to him (it was not only Turkey that owned the agreement).
                  The most important thing is different for me. We could? We have done. If we hadn’t had the opportunity (strength), any claims would have looked like the claims of the Palestinians on the territory of present-day Israel.
                  In my opinion, the Russian Federation has no more and no less rights to Alaska than to Crimea in 2014. They could have taken it, and they would have “protected” their citizens in the Baltic states.

                  And the question. He's a little cynical, let's speculate. Why does the Russian Federation need new territories? (Crimea is no longer discussed).
                  The state should work for its own benefit, for the benefit of its citizens.
                  Let’s suppose the CIS would have been formed differently and the current Tajikistan and Uzbekistan would have entered the territory of the Russian Federation. You can continue the list. Who would be better off? I am sure that not the residents of the current Russian Federation. In the CIS, the standard of living is lower than in the Russian Federation, there is more human resource (one that works for how much they will give). Our standard of living would be much lower with these "fraternal republics," so the question is, to whom and why are they needed as part of one state?
                  And what payload besides altruistic will the Russian Federation receive from the accession of Donbass?
                  Only probably to head the rating of subsidized republics.
                  1. Bear040
                    Bear040 24 November 2019 18: 35 New
                    +1
                    And let's look at it from the other side. Citizens of all the non-independent countries of the former USSR are working in the Russian Federation today, knocking down salaries and taking jobs, taking money out of the Russian Federation ... they create ethnic crime in the Russian Federation and committing a crime in the Russian Federation often escape punishment by escaping to their camps ... They ( Kyrgyzstan and others) allegedly receive loans from Russia, which Putin then writes off ... So what do we have in the end ?! All the negativity we already have ... And why do not we have ?! If these Kyrgyzstan were part of the Russian Federation, we would be able to prosecute bandits in these territories according to the laws of the Russian Federation ... we could place our military bases there for free ... and in case of an attack on the Russian Federation declare mobilization there and call these (Kyrgyz) into the army (they don’t have education ... privates in infantry ... and that’s good) ... Now we don’t have any use for them, but we have expenses for them and this is not right ...
          2. DRM
            DRM 23 November 2019 01: 19 New
            0
            Quote: Fibrizio
            Russia in Ukraine is extremely concerned about Russia.

            Oh oh Not a day goes by that the Russian media do not discuss Ukraine. It is enough to see the VO materials for yesterday-today.
    2. Igoresha
      Igoresha 18 November 2019 14: 07 New
      +1
      examples of Israeli intelligence
      and it wasn’t near, the LPR’s OVA analogue of the FBI uses a telephone (099), that is, the Ukrainian “vodafon”
  2. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 18 November 2019 05: 55 New
    +2
    170 of thousands of Russian passports for LDNR: a lot or a little?

    What are we trying to talk about? See what data spread:
    In the DPR report on 55 thousand issued passports, in LPR speak of 40 thousand. At the same time, the governor of the Rostov region Vasily Golubev said that the number of citizens who received Russian citizenship exceeded 170 thousand people.
    What interests me most is the purpose of such manipulations by the Russian authorities. There are acceptable options tested in Abkhazia, Crimea ... Now, we are told about the Russian population of 146 people. Are you sure that there are so many of us? Here, information goes to different sites that the number of people can be judged by the amount of food consumed (some - salt, grain, etc.) So they doubt that 780 people live in Russia.
    I want to present an interview with Mikhail Poltoranin (Wikipedia gives information about him, but let me remind you: In 1992, at the same time - Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation, head of the interdepartmental commission for declassifying the CPSU documents.)
    Look from 15:38 to 17:28 and you might look differently at these 170 passports:

    hi
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 18 November 2019 06: 05 New
      0
      Statistics is a rubber-like thing ... at the request of those who order it, you can do anything with it ... you can squeeze it, squeeze it and pull it onto the globe according to your wishes as you like. what
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 18 November 2019 06: 35 New
        +1
        Quote: The same Lech
        Statistics thing rubbery ... at the request of those who order it

        can you imagine, I had to make sure more than once ... But, here’s a hassle, existing facts, such as: the consumption of a certain type of food — you can neither ignore nor discount the physiological needs of a person. With these arguments you can completely break the statistics sucked from the finger ...
        hi
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 18 November 2019 06: 39 New
          0
          In ... young, I believed in statistics of official beatings ... and when I started picking it with my playful fingers, patterns broke in my brain ... like that ... when they say to us that 2 + 2 = 5 and the harsh reality says no ... 4.
    2. samarin1969
      samarin1969 18 November 2019 06: 18 New
      +1
      It could be, ROSS. hi The closeness of real politics in the Russian Federation is simply unprecedented. However, if Ukraine makes concessions “on gas,” the Kremlin will be easier to “reverse gear” on passports. And gas for the "shareholders ..." is holier than the saint. winked
    3. asv363
      asv363 18 November 2019 06: 36 New
      -3
      Do you personally have anything to do with the DNI or LC? The topic of "Putin's bloody regime"? Tired of reading comments from oppositionists posting all sorts of dregs off-topic news or articles.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 18 November 2019 06: 45 New
        +2
        Quote: asv363
        Do you personally have anything to do with the DNI or LC?

        Personally, I have a relationship with Russia as its citizen, who has given years of military service to defend the Fatherland and productive work in order to improve the lives of citizens of my city. And I’m not interested in how these 170 issued passports can solve the problems of Russian citizens and whether there are more radical ways to resolve issues in the LPR and DPR.
        What did you want? So I take a practical part? Sorry, health didn’t come out and age ...
        hi
        1. asv363
          asv363 18 November 2019 06: 59 New
          -1
          ROSS 42, I have no questions for your age, service and work. And it cannot be. I wrote you specifically about the video you posted. It has no relation to the topic of discussion. I just ask you not to "talk" about the topic.
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 18 November 2019 07: 19 New
            +1
            Quote: asv363
            I just ask you not to "talk" about the topic.

            You just surprise me ... What can I say on this topic? That the data of received and issued passports do not match? Or that the presence of a Russian passport is not a reason to be considered a full-fledged citizen of Russia? So in Russia there are territories where Russian citizens do not have the opportunity to use the state services of the Russian Federation in order to avoid material losses of the latter ... Well, and (I ask) what is all this "wall painting" for? Say again: "You hold on there!"
            And how long should Russian people stay who are simply not allowed to live peacefully ... In the world ... Without shelling ... Without killings ... How many more lives must be put in order for concrete changes to happen so that the Ukrainian authorities never think about how to "conquer" independent republics, and dealt with the questions: "How to feed, warm your own people?"
            This is insanity: to negotiate in some format, to supply food and provide assistance to the people of the LPR and the DPR and to conduct trade with the culprit of this action in the amount of:
            In 2018, trade between Russia and Ukraine amounted to $ 14, an increase of 16,56% ($ 2) compared to 128.
            1. asv363
              asv363 18 November 2019 08: 16 New
              +1
              Quote: ROSS 42
              And how long should Russian people stay who are simply not allowed to live peacefully ... In the world ... Without shelling ... Without killings ... How many more lives must be put in order for concrete changes to happen so that the Ukrainian authorities never think about how to "conquer" independent republics, and dealt with the questions: "How to feed, warm your own people?"

              For a long time, we need to completely officially introduce troops to the Donbass. To do this, you need the order of the High Command. I already wrote about sanctions, etc. - and without this they will find a reason for introducing new illegal trade restrictions. Links lead?
    4. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 18 November 2019 10: 38 New
      +2
      I also wanted to write about this. He apparently wrote more about those who have already passed the test and are waiting for citizens to issue.

      According to information on November 1:
      On May 3, received citizenship of the Russian Federation 33 thousand citizens of the DPRreceived confirmation of citizenship 35 thousands, accepted documents and awaiting verification 55 thousands.
      On May 3, received citizenship of the Russian Federation 36 thousand citizens of the LPRreceived confirmation of citizenship 40 thousands, accepted documents and awaiting verification 60 thousands.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 18 November 2019 15: 46 New
        +1
        Quote: Lord of the Sith
        According to information on November 1:
        Since May 3, 33 thousand citizens of the DPR received citizenship of the Russian Federation, received confirmation of 35 thousand citizenship, documents have been accepted and 55 thousand are awaiting verification.
        Since May 3, 36 thousand LPR citizens have received Russian citizenship, 40 thousand have received confirmation of citizenship, documents have been accepted and 60 thousand are awaiting verification.


        Vseravno it turns out about 100-130 thousand in the republic. The population there is somewhere a little over 2 million
    5. New Year day
      New Year day 18 November 2019 15: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: ROSS 42
      What interests me most is the purpose of such manipulations by the Russian authorities.

      What can I guess: the real number of those who received is low, this is for various reasons, organizational flaws, lack of documents and everything else described by the author. The main problem, in my opinion, is the uncertainty of the status of LDNR and their prospects. The implementation of Minsk means the return of LDNR to Ukraine (Moscow has not yet changed its position).
      How will people live in Ukraine with a Russian passport? What problems will they have and how to solve them?
  3. asv363
    asv363 18 November 2019 07: 32 New
    0
    It is also recommended to immediately apply for a passport in order to be able to return to the republics when, after reaching the age of 45, they will make a new Russian passport.

    I do not think that in order to obtain a new passport it is necessary to return it to the people's republics with a permanent registration in Russia. I don’t know how it is now, but earlier it was necessary to file an application in advance, otherwise there was a fine of 2 rubles.
  4. Newven
    Newven 18 November 2019 08: 36 New
    +1
    The idea was good, only for its implementation you first need to give all your pensions, but what is the result, a full-fledged citizen of Russia? "0", without a wand!
    Like Mayakovsky’s there, “I get a hole of duplicate priceless cargo from holey legs ....".
    1. asv363
      asv363 18 November 2019 10: 36 New
      0
      Quote: NewOven
      As there Mayakovsky, - "I get out full of holes trouser legs a duplicate of a priceless cargo .... ".

      "I take out from wide trousers a duplicate of a priceless cargo ...", if you quote correctly.
      1. Newven
        Newven 18 November 2019 12: 54 New
        +2
        Quote: asv363
        "I take out from wide trousers a duplicate of a priceless cargo ...", if you quote correctly.
        How correctly I know without you! Only in the Donbass, people now have painfully leaky pants! For good the average pension does not even reach the minimum Russian!
  5. knn54
    knn54 18 November 2019 10: 04 New
    +1
    Three hairs ... for the head is not enough, but for the soup is much.
  6. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 18 November 2019 10: 15 New
    +1
    Consulate time to open.
  7. sen
    sen 18 November 2019 10: 39 New
    +1
    And if the residents of the DPR and Lugansk People’s Democratic Republic are to become citizens of Russia, what will happen if the Minsk agreements are implemented?
    1. Newven
      Newven 18 November 2019 12: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: sen
      And if the residents of the DPR and Lugansk People’s Democratic Republic are to become citizens of Russia, what will happen if the Minsk agreements are implemented?
      More expressions of concern!
    2. Fibrizio
      Fibrizio 18 November 2019 13: 11 New
      +1
      They are objectively impracticable. Not a single Ukrainian politician will dare to integrate the LPR and the DPR with the proviso that local authorities remain or even be allowed to participate in future elections.
      In the minds of local people, this is simply impossible. Sit at the same table with those with whom they have been stolen for many years. With those whose subordinates killed citizens of Ukraine as part of reg. army. It is simply not possible. Such a politician will just be imprisoned the next day.
    3. New Year day
      New Year day 18 November 2019 15: 51 New
      +1
      Then the need for Minsk disappears. But new questions arise, one of which is what’s next?
  8. Fibrizio
    Fibrizio 18 November 2019 12: 57 New
    0
    If you discard Geopolitics and long-term plans of the state, we get full citizens of the Russian Federation with all the rights, but who have not paid a single tax in our budget since 1990. (the same statement is true for Crimea).
    Overnight, we must provide pensions, compulsory medical insurance and other benefits to hundreds of thousands of people, let former Ukrainian citizens to the budget places of our universities (depriving budget places of some of the children of Russians who have paid taxes for the past 30 years).
    Hence the PFR and the social sphere are bursting.
    Good or bad time will tell, but for ordinary people here and now it is a tightening of nuts. After all, an abstract budget cake is now divided into more parts.
    1. Igoresha
      Igoresha 18 November 2019 14: 10 New
      +2
      don’t be greedy, they’ve raised the State Duma and senior officials, that means there is money!
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 18 November 2019 15: 52 New
        +1
        Quote: Igoresha
        s \ n the State Duma and senior officials raised, then there is money!

        There is money, but not about our honor
        1. Igoresha
          Igoresha 18 November 2019 23: 00 New
          0
          who needs money there will always be http://reddevol.com/articles/kak_zhivet_opora_putinlenda_permskiy_kray
  9. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 18 November 2019 23: 55 New
    0
    Quote: Fibrizio
    Hence the PFR and the social sphere are bursting.

    Not from here.
    Even before the Crimea and the Donbass, everything is already about ... whether.
    Pension reform, what in a row?
    The head of the FIU does not even know the size of an ordinary pension. His family owns property for yards of rubles, in order to buy only his apartment on the Patriarch's Ponds, he needed to work 157 years.
    Tax payments of KRAZ (Rusal) make up only 1% of the budget of the Krasnoyarsk Territory (everything is registered in the Caymans, the Virgin Islands, Cyprus).
    And before the deductions of KRAZ accounted for 33% of the regional budget.
    About 70% of the large enterprises of our country are registered over the hill, and the oligarchs from the sect also transfer everything that they robbed there.
    And there are no such examples.
    When hordes of nomad migrants officially (quota 2) invade our country, this is normal, and issuing passports, the same Russian, is considered to be flawed.