What the Wehrmacht tankers did not like about the Tiger tanks

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One of the most famous tanks World War II is the German "Tiger". This is a tank that appeared in the arsenal of the Nazi troops not from the very beginning of the war, but already during its course. Moreover, he was sent to undergo a "run-in" on the battlefields precisely on the eastern front. The first combat use of the "Tiger" took place at the end of August 1942 near Leningrad - in the area of ​​\u1350b\uXNUMXbthe Mga station. In total, Nazi Germany produced about XNUMX of these tanks.

Did the Tigers have any flaws?



The author of the YouTube channel Diodand is trying to answer this question, based also on the personal testimonies of German tankers.

From the memoirs of Alfred Rubel:

The motor tolerated overloads very poorly. Our (mechanics) drivers needed good knowledge and a lot of work to prepare the Tiger for battle. The repair team and the repair shop worked without interruption. During the march, I always kept one ear open to listen to the noise of the motor. Overheating led to the destruction of the gaskets in the cylinder liners.


German tankers, whose recollections are cited by the author, during the war put the problems of the ice rinks after long marches among the minuses of the Tiger. In particular, the destruction of the rubber coating of the rollers is noted.

What else didn’t like in the "Tiger" tankers of the Wehrmacht - in the video:
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    1. +16
      14 November 2019 18: 41
      "The motor did not tolerate overloads very well. Our (mechanics) drivers required good knowledge and a lot of work to prepare the "Tiger" for battle. "
      This is not for the Germans to occupy ..
      "Repair team and repair shop worked without a breakand."
      Here, in fact, all the disadvantages of the "Tiger" are listed, then only the pros - the cannon, the armor .. Low bow to our tankmen for breaking the ridges of this and other German beasts ..
      1. +22
        14 November 2019 18: 54
        What the Wehrmacht tankers did not like about the Tiger tanks

        Meet the Soviet St. John's Wort.
        1. +14
          14 November 2019 19: 10
          The tower was demolished the only way! Literally hi
          1. +2
            14 November 2019 19: 20
            Andrew, good evening hi
            Yes, it was. The howitzer gun ML-20, the Nazis immediately disliked. laughing The most striking episodes with the separation of the turret from the German tankers since the KV-2 were when, due to a shortage of armor-piercing shells in the ammunition, concrete-handed missiles were issued.
            1. +3
              15 November 2019 00: 24
              Good night already, Alex! hi If I am not mistaken, the Nazis themselves nicknamed our ISU "Can opener" smile
        2. +3
          15 November 2019 04: 19
          It was this bastard they did not like the most. Thanks for the photo.
        3. -7
          15 November 2019 22: 56
          Quote: lexus
          What the Wehrmacht tankers did not like about the Tiger tanks

          Meet the Soviet St. John's Wort.

          For the "Wehrmacht tankers" this was as unlikely as the "Luftwaffe submariners" meet the MiG-29. The author of the article is not even aware that all the tank units of Germany belonged to the SS troops, and not to the Wehrmacht, so is it worth taking seriously what is stated in this article?
          1. +4
            16 November 2019 17: 19
            And where did you get such "deep" knowledge?))
          2. +4
            16 November 2019 17: 39
            Quote: Rededi
            For the "Wehrmacht tankers" this was as unlikely as the "Luftwaffe submariners" meet the MiG-29.

            Well, it’s necessary, how much sparkling irony)) Directly all went to sarcasm ...
            It’s even a pity that all this big top is not the case. That is nonsense.
            Here at least read it, for example:
            https://topwar.ru/16703-evolyuciya-organizacionnyh-form-sostava-pancervaffe-vermahta-i-voysk-ss.html
          3. 0
            4 December 2019 10: 13
            the fact that they wore a "dead head" in their buttonhole does not mean that they belonged to the SS
      2. +9
        14 November 2019 19: 07
        The most important drawback is the gasoline engine in the cold in winter and dust in the summer, then the tiger’s own weight is not proportional to the width of the tracks, this puts more pressure on the ground and less maneuverability in battle, tea was not fought on asphalt.
        1. +2
          14 November 2019 19: 18
          If I understood you correctly, did he need a wider caterpillar?
          1. +4
            14 November 2019 19: 27
            Not really, the T-34 had a unique balance in the distribution of load, it was originally created for combat in off-road conditions, tigers with their dimensions did not even withstand the loading platforms during transportation. In addition, the T-34 chassis is more suitable for dirt, look at the row arrangement of the tiger rollers more, which means less maintainability.
            1. 0
              14 November 2019 19: 38
              Then where does the specific gravity of the pressure on the soil about which you wrote?
              1. +5
                14 November 2019 19: 53
                Is it really difficult to understand, to increase the thickness of the armor and the width of the tracks is to increase the total weight of the car, and it is IMPOSSIBLE to do this ad infinitum.
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              2. +3
                15 November 2019 08: 06
                Quote: sabakina
                Then where does the specific gravity of the pressure on the ground,

                The "Tiger" had two pairs of tracks: - transport and chassis, when transported by rail, the tracks had to be changed to transport ones, in the chassis it did not fit into the railway gauge. In addition, the tank turret turned slowly, this is also a major drawback, a lot of weight , it needed special bridges, the usual ones could not withstand its weight, due to its large weight it easily got stuck in the mud, it was almost impossible to pull it out, and there were many other shortcomings.
                Yes, the tank gun was good, had a high initial projectile speed and could fire up to 8 rounds per minute, in combination with excellent optics it was a terrible weapon, plus 100 mm. the armor, there was nothing to stop on his forehead in the first periods of its use, then adapted, special cumulative bombs appeared and the main self-propelled guns: SU-80, SU-100, etc.
            2. -3
              14 November 2019 20: 01
              It is strange to compare the heavy and medium tank.
              Compared to the ISs, the Tigers were fast and maneuverable. The base is close to square, unlike our cords.
              1. +6
                14 November 2019 21: 28
                Compared to the ISs, the Tigers were fast and maneuverable. The base is close to square, unlike our cords.

                Tigers only developed better on the spot - otherwise, the ISs are more rational.
                1. +1
                  15 November 2019 11: 09
                  Just the same, this Tigers could not be done in any way.
                  Often caterpillars flew.
                  I read about this in various articles + in my book Carius mentioned it several times.
                  The Germans were afraid to perform such a maneuver in battle. Even at night you will dress her then horseradish, only tow to the rear.
              2. +3
                14 November 2019 21: 44
                Is 42t, Tiger 56t - really strange to compare.
                1. +2
                  15 November 2019 00: 02
                  It's about comparing the T-34 and the Tiger!
              3. +1
                14 November 2019 22: 37
                And where is the square? Have you outplayed the Tundra? It’s easier to get into the square, what would you choose? which tank is easier to get into or which tank is harder to get into?
            3. +3
              15 November 2019 10: 13
              On the railway platform, these tanks were placed with narrower caterpillars, so that they would be written in size.
          2. +14
            14 November 2019 19: 52
            There is nowhere to go. The tiger already had two sets of tracks - normal and narrow. Narrow caterpillars were placed during the transportation of the tank by rail, otherwise it did not fit into the permitted dimensions. With all its power, this tank had a lot of diseases, starting with the capricious 650-horsepower Maybach, guzzling gasoline like a blind convoy horse, and ending with a complex transmission that often broke down when this mountain of iron moved over loose soils. In general, the car is interesting, the gearbox is almost automatic, instead of levers, the steering wheel, like on a car, and all sorts of new lotions that were not characteristic of tank building of those times. The best thing about it, of course, is the armor and the very successful 88mm KwK 36 gun with an electric igniter. It turned out to be a mobile fortress, only very clumsy and slow-moving.
        2. +2
          14 November 2019 22: 43
          This is yes. Sitting on tanks with gasoline in combat conditions is like pulling a tiger with a mustache. Too much.
          1. 0
            15 November 2019 04: 20
            You name the wrong place with a mustache ...)))
            1. +2
              15 November 2019 16: 50
              To whom - what do you like and what associations does it cause. laughing
        3. 0
          15 November 2019 16: 15
          What problems does he have in winter? I understand even for the summer this engine overheated quite quickly, it was not for nothing that they installed two radiators. The main problem of this tank is idiotic production, in the Soviet Union they shot for this, but in Germany nothing, the main thing is to invent a "mega-spindle" machine!
          1. 0
            18 November 2019 12: 23
            78bor1973 (Boris)
            And what problems does he have in the winter?
            Winter in Germany or winter in Russia?
            The problem was in the skating rinks in winter, during the day, during the thaw, dirt was sticking to the skating rinks, and at night in the cold it froze so that it was impossible to break it. The tank was immobilized. And in general, the chess arrangement of the rinks, it was hemorrhoids and large. To replace the rear (far) roller, three or even five neighboring ones had to be removed.
            1. 0
              21 November 2019 13: 13
              I wrote about the engine, about the chassis here, and so it is clear, but for the reminder I put a plus!
      3. Ham
        +10
        14 November 2019 19: 30
        Here, in fact, all the disadvantages of "Tiger" are listed, then only the pros

        the "Tiger" still had a lot of ailments that in combat conditions turned out to be much more critical than the unreliable chassis and weak transmission ...
        among them - a large mass and high specific pressure on the ground - roughly speaking, in order to send the "cat" into battle, it was necessary to first select a site with solid grounds. On tactical maps of Soviet anti-tank crews, the directions from which the tigers could attack were indicated in purple
        tigers were a real nightmare for the rear services - each "wunderwaffe" required its own special platform for transportation by rail. besides, the car had to be "changed" before transportation ...
        most road bridges in Europe (not to mention the USSR) simply could not stand the huge mass of the tank
        all this created a lot of problems during the transfer of troops
        as a result, most of the tigers were not lost for military reasons (were abandoned due to breakdowns or simply stupidly stuck in the mud)
        if the Germans T-4 were riveted on these forces and funds that were spent on the production of "tigers" it would bring them much more benefit
      4. +4
        14 November 2019 19: 32
        Quote: GKS 2111
        Here, in fact, all the disadvantages of "Tiger" are listed, then only the pros

        Rollers freeze in winter if the tank stands after movement - this is a big minus of such a chassis.
        1. -4
          14 November 2019 20: 02
          An unverified tale.
          1. +5
            14 November 2019 20: 35
            Quote: Vogel
            An unverified tale.

            Who is not confirmed? The Germans themselves recalled this shortcoming, and even enough technical education to understand that the rollers and dirt froze into a single whole.
            1. -10
              14 November 2019 21: 02
              By anyone.
              The chess arrangement of the rinks was not only in the Tiger, but also in the Panther, but someone running a bike goes about him.
              If the dirt were frozen between them, how would this tank stop? These are road wheels, not wheels.
              1. +8
                14 November 2019 21: 57
                Quote: Avior
                If the dirt were frozen between them, how would this tank stop?

                To do this, you must first read the memories of the warriors. The skating rinks in raw mud and clay froze at night while the tank was standing, and in the morning it cannot be moved and this applies to any armored vehicles that had a checkerboard arrangement of skating rinks.
                1. -2
                  14 November 2019 22: 00
                  Give a link, I have never read this. And I don’t understand how the dirt that dries between the rollers will prevent the tank from starting.
                  But if the tracks creep to the ground during the night, will the tank move or not?
                  1. +3
                    14 November 2019 22: 08
                    Quote: Avior
                    Give me a link

                    Google to the rescue...
                    The British about Panther 6. 30 min
                    1. -5
                      14 November 2019 22: 30
                      As I understand it, you can’t give a link to the one you specified, but you didn’t forget to minus it.
                      And in the film, the presenter clearly says that he did not see confirmation of the problem of freezing the rollers.
                      I haven’t seen it either. And you, as I understand it, have not seen it either.
                      Moreover, if even some kind of ice rink suddenly freezes, then what kind of dirt should there be so that the engine in low gear does not move the track? He actually pulls 50 tons of iron. With the same success we can argue that if the caterpillar freezes to the ground, then the tank will not move.
                      The second nuance. Look at the caterpillar and rollers in the movie.
                      What happens if one of the track rollers freezes? Yes, the caterpillar will simply slip first on this rink, that's all.
                      So I ask, is there any actual evidence of this problem and that it was of any significant nature?
                      1. +3
                        14 November 2019 22: 43
                        Well, yes, give you the link, if you are reading about tanks, is it strange that you did not read the memoirs of the same Carius? Did you get stuck in the dirt on the equipment?
                      2. +6
                        14 November 2019 23: 25
                        Quote: Avior
                        As I understand it, you can’t give a link to the one you specified, but you didn’t forget to minus it.

                        I don’t miss you, look for information yourself, those who are interested in the topic have read and know about this. Yes, and give a link that this is a bike.
                        Quote: Avior
                        And in the film, the presenter clearly says that he did not see confirmation of the problem of freezing the rollers.

                        And how could he see or did you think that he was a participant in the war, and even on the eastern front?
                        Quote: Avior
                        Moreover, if even some kind of ice rink suddenly freezes, then what kind of dirt should there be so that the engine in low gear does not move the track?

                        Which one rink? In my opinion, you don’t understand what dirt is, it’s tons of soil and clay throughout the chassis, from the ground to the fenders.
                        1. -4
                          14 November 2019 23: 43
                          I understand that if it is so clogged with dirt, then there is no difference whatsoever, how the rollers will stand there - just a solid ball of frozen mud.
                          If he is able not to let the tank move, then he will not give that with chess rinks, that without them.
                          . Look for information yourself, someone who is interested in the topic, read about it and know about it. Yes, and give a link that this is a bike.

                          I did not write that this is a bike. I wrote that I did not see confirmation that the problem existed. And of course I read about it. But I've never seen direct confirmation. Moreover, I admit that isolated cases like the one you brought in the photo could theoretically be. With any pendant. But it's not about that. Not about dubious theoretical reasoning, but about direct proof of the problem.
                          And, as you know, to prove the absence is impossible by definition.
                          You can prove the fact of availability.
                          . And how could he see or did you think that he was a participant in the war

                          Then why did you bring the movie?
                          He says that he did not see confirmation that the problem existed, for this it is not necessary to personally be at the front, you can read the report, or memoirs. Obviously, when the film was being prepared, no such evidence was found.
                        2. +4
                          14 November 2019 23: 57
                          Quote: Avior
                          I understand that if it is clogged with dirt, then there’s no difference

                          In a conventional chassis, frozen dirt between the rollers can be knocked out, in a chess room never.
                          Quote: Avior
                          But I have never seen direct confirmation.

                          And where do you want to see a chess chassis, it ended in 1945 and after that no country in the world adopted it due to its shortcomings.
                          Quote: Avior
                          And, as you know, to prove the absence is impossible by definition.
                          You can prove the fact of availability.

                          Read the memories of German tankers.
                          Quote: Avior
                          Obviously, when the film was being prepared, no such evidence was found.

                          Because this problem was on the eastern front, and the Germans did not report this to the British.
                        3. -1
                          15 November 2019 05: 26
                          I understand the link will not wait.
                          But logic says that if a Tiger with an engine of 700 hp, the rollers froze so that they could not move, then this

                          With an engine of 100 hp could not get under way when the cold began?
                          But somehow he moved all the same.
                        4. +3
                          15 November 2019 08: 59
                          These are the memories of a German tanker.
                          “Severe frost suddenly struck at night, causing the mud that had accumulated between the wheels to freeze so that the wheels of the “tigers” turned out to be impossible to turn. Two tanks, when trying to move them from their place, flew transmissions, and one had the gear ring of the drive wheel torn off. tanks burst torsion bars. As a result, only four tanks were able to move on, and then only after the mud between the wheels was washed away with hot water, which had to be heated with buckets "
                        5. -4
                          15 November 2019 09: 15
                          What kind of wheels does the tank need to crank?
                          Give a link to read what kind of tanker.
                          However, I have already found your "German tanker".
                          It is a
                          . Author:
                          Vyacheslav Shpakovsky
                          laughing
                          https://topwar.ru/106093-tigry-idut-na-vostok-pochti-kinoscenariy.html
                          Appears, he will need to write to him that you appointed him a German tanker
                        6. +3
                          15 November 2019 20: 58
                          Quote: Avior
                          With an engine of 100 hp could not get under way when the cold began?
                          But somehow he moved all the same.

                          And he froze, like everyone else, and then it was hell to clean the frozen dirt from the chess rollers, so ALL German equipment with a "chess" chassis had problems.
                        7. -1
                          16 November 2019 18: 02
                          From the very beginning, it is a question of whether there is confirmation of the assertion that the Tiger rinks were frozen so that the tank could not move.
                          If you know this, give a link.
                      3. +1
                        10 December 2019 23: 10
                        What should be the dirt so that the engine in low gear does not move the track?


                        According to N.K. Pekarskaya [Mechanical properties of frozen soils [1963 Velli...]], the value of the instantaneous shear resistance τt of frozen loam at a temperature of -4 to -0,5 °C and normal pressure of 1,5-6,0 kg/cm2 was 4,8-11,1 kg/cm2; with the same data for ice τt = 11,0 - 15,0 kg/cm2 (kg/cm2 is a kilogram-force per square centimeter, an archaic unit of measurement). Jamming of the rollers and suspension parts by pieces of frozen rock will be insignificant, negligible, since the suspension disks perform mainly rotational movements and not translational, and for movement it is necessary to overcome shear resistance.
                        1 newton [N] = 0,101971621297793 kilogram-force [kgf], then the ice resistance is 150 N / cm2.
                        There are only 16 rollers. The engine of the HL210 tank provided 650 horsepower. With. (478 kW), which will give one of the 16 rollers a moment of force of at least 277 Newton meters at any point on the disk, at a starting speed, conditionally, of 1 revolution per minute. Engine power is enough to crank and clean the frozen suspension. If the problem were real, then mass cancellations and transfers of hostilities to frosts would be documented and printed official instructions related to this phenomenon would be issued. The ground freezes in any type of suspension, so it is the lack of power, not the type of suspension, that makes the suspension freezing.
                        1. +1
                          10 December 2019 23: 44
                          Yes, I had no doubt that freezing disks is complete rubbish, freezing on tracks can theoretically be considered, but this is a common problem for all tracked vehicles, if it really existed
                        2. 0
                          10 December 2019 23: 59
                          freezing on tracks


                          725 - link width in mm;
                          130 - link pitch in mm.
                          The area of ​​the link is tiny. The area of ​​contact between the rubber of the roller and the caterpillar is tiny. But each caterpillar rests and breaks away from the ground not entirely, but by link ..., which will indicate that the freezing of the tracks is even more harmless than freezing on the disks - they have at least a shear area of ​​​​18 square meters. By the way, I do not know the official technical instructions of the Germans, requiring to store caterpillar vehicles on logs and with inter-disk spaces previously cleaned, for example, with a cable - apparently the real reasons for the famous photos could be different. In any case, Madame Mechanics inclines her faithful knight to this point of view.
                        3. +1
                          11 December 2019 00: 11
                          I had no doubt, but read the wreath- Faith in the freezing of the Tiger pendant on the verge of religious, and logical arguments will not help here
                          hi
                  2. +4
                    14 November 2019 22: 40
                    Have you ever dealt with technology? Especially in winter? Siberian WINTER! When you warm the engine for days and if you missed, then everything froze fucked. And the iron parts are FREEZING !!!
                    1. -2
                      14 November 2019 22: 45
                      Had many times.
                      And the tank with a non-staggered arrangement of rollers parts are not iron?
                      Threat decent people turn to you.
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                  3. +5
                    15 November 2019 01: 44
                    Sorry to get into an argument. I don’t know for tigers, but German tanks crawled to the ground near Moscow during the night near Moscow and could not move in the morning. Therefore, the Germans drove tanks onto wooden bars for the night. I read it in my youth and saw the photo too.
                    1. +3
                      15 November 2019 05: 22
                      But doesn’t it seem to you that if this problem existed, then should all tanks be touched?
                    2. 0
                      16 November 2019 08: 54
                      This is by accident not from Suvorov, be remembered not by night.
              2. +1
                14 November 2019 22: 46
                So what? With stiffened rollers it’s the same as trying to start moving on strong brakes.
                1. -3
                  14 November 2019 22: 48
                  These are road wheels, not drive wheels. And yes, it happens on a car and it starts to move on a handbrake. Bad but rides.
                  1. +4
                    14 November 2019 22: 50
                    SHTA???????
                  2. 0
                    14 November 2019 22: 51
                    And then the supporting, leading? Do you understand what you are talking about?
                  3. +4
                    14 November 2019 23: 11
                    Quote: Avior
                    These are road wheels, not drive wheels. And yes, it happens on a car and it starts to move on a handbrake.

                    Quote: Avior
                    I’m just writing about this, you can start moving.

                    You can start, but after 100 meters the rollers can be changed?
                    1. -6
                      14 November 2019 23: 48
                      Rather, the rubber bandage of the rollers will fail.
                      Only in 100 meters the problem will be solved - or the rollers will heat up from friction, or the frozen ones will come off from vibrations, or both.
                      But actually they claim that the kanks were so frozen that the tank could not move.
                      That is what I strongly doubt.
              3. +1
                14 November 2019 22: 48
                Quote: Avior
                If the dirt were frozen between them, how would this tank stop? These are road wheels, not wheels.

                These are still skating rinks, not skids, you can also drive a hundred meters in a car with a jammed wheel.
                1. -2
                  14 November 2019 22: 53
                  I’m just writing about this, you can start moving.
                  1. +3
                    15 November 2019 21: 00
                    Quote: Avior
                    I’m just writing about this, you can start moving.

                    Touch and burn dviglo, break the transmission, since it is not a car - the car has a completely different dynamics ...
                    1. -2
                      15 November 2019 21: 06
                      In the classic version of this statement, the tank allegedly cannot move.
                      And your statement is doubtful.
                      There will be slippage on the rollers and their increased wear.
                      But you still need to start by ascertaining whether such a fact has occurred.
                      Specially re-read
                      Tigers in the mud of Carius.
                      He did not encounter such a problem
                      1. +3
                        15 November 2019 21: 07
                        Quote: Avior
                        There will be slippage on the rollers and their increased wear.

                        When your ice rinks are half or even more drowned in the mud, and at night it has become very cold and all this dirt has frozen, then you can’t get rid of one slipping ...
                        1. -3
                          15 November 2019 21: 11
                          These are all abstract reasoning, not facts.
                          In addition, the problem applies to all types of suspension, not just chess.
                          And what did it freeze? If it’s a plus during the day, how much can it be at night? Minus 10?
                          In any case, if there is no reference to the facts, there is nothing to discuss.
                        2. +1
                          15 November 2019 21: 50
                          Quote: Avior
                          And what did it freeze? If it’s a plus during the day, how much can it be at night? Minus 10?

                          If it’s zero in the afternoon ... Or a slight minus, the dirt is still soft, but at night it may well be -8 and -10 ...
                          Quote: Avior
                          In any case, if there is no reference to the facts, there is nothing to discuss.

                          So look - Isaev has the same ...
                        3. -2
                          16 November 2019 18: 04
                          I searched and did not find.
                          and, as I see, none of those arguing either
                        4. +1
                          16 November 2019 18: 21
                          Quote: Avior
                          and, as I see, none of those arguing either

                          It seemed to Meiner.
                          http://militera.lib.ru/memo/german/meyer_k01/index.html
                        5. -1
                          16 November 2019 23: 37
                          Have not found.
                          In principle, if this had been said, then only in the chapter Battle for Kharkov, where the Tiger was massively used for the first time.
                          And then in the narration, summer events, and the front in the West
                        6. 0
                          16 November 2019 23: 57
                          Quote: Avior
                          Have not found.

                          Sorry. Somewhere I read, and where plainly - I do not remember.
                        7. -1
                          17 November 2019 00: 00
                          I read too. Somehow I thought that I had never seen the source of this information.
              4. 0
                16 November 2019 08: 52
                I don’t know about a "tiger", but a 65-ton bulldozer saw how it was "burned" - they burned fires around to warm up the road wheels, which were tightly caught in the mud ..
                1. -1
                  16 November 2019 18: 07
                  I saw that too. They decided to suppress the melted pile of snow with the tractor, it fell through and died out, they left it for the night, they came in the morning, it took it in the cold.
                  Knocked out by hand.
                  But there was no chess pendant there.
                  And the whole argument is that this was supposedly a specific problem of the Tigers
              5. 0
                25 December 2019 18: 28
                Nowhere in the world after the Second World War, the chessboard arrangement of rinks was no longer used. And during the Second World War it was used only by the Germans. Comments are redundant
        2. -5
          14 November 2019 21: 01
          Ice rinks freeze in winter

          Skating rinks ... and on you - freeze! ..
          Like skating rinks? Or maybe after all, something else? Like, dirt-land, stuck (stuck) between these same rollers and in the case of the transition of air temperature to minus, wedging the chassis?
          1. +1
            14 November 2019 22: 44
            It is the same. DIRT freezes and wedges the rollers between each other, are you digging in here?
      5. +1
        14 November 2019 20: 43
        - "I moved the STEERING WHEEL, turned on the gas, and the tank moved and turned."
        The control of the tank was with the help of the steering wheel, and not like with the others-levers. I think this is a plus.
        1. +1
          15 November 2019 00: 38
          You will take an interest from the tractor drivers who work on the T-150 caterpillar wheel too. I’m sure you will hear a lot of mats.
        2. 0
          15 November 2019 21: 02
          Quote: knn54
          The control of the tank was with the help of the steering wheel, and not like with the others-levers. I think this is a plus.

          It was more convenient, but not much, but it complicated and increased the cost of production, increased the likelihood of breakdowns, made it possible to put the transmission exclusively in front, which was absolutely unnecessary, but made it more expensive and complicated, worsened maintainability, and increased the silhouette of the machine ...
      6. +1
        15 November 2019 02: 54
        A tank without a motor is a target on the battlefield, on a march a piece of iron.
        1. +1
          15 November 2019 12: 25
          You are the direct commander of "Captain Obvious"
      7. +1
        15 November 2019 08: 12
        Quote: GKS 2111
        Here, in fact, all the disadvantages of "Tiger" are listed

        Yes, okay, there were a bunch of other, much more significant disadvantages than "overload" ...
      8. +3
        15 November 2019 10: 46
        Here, in fact, all the disadvantages of "Tiger" are listed, then only the pros

        There are enough cons, the video is very superficial. When moving up the embankment, the "tigers" lost their tracks; scouts went out on the route to move forward, because. the tank was prone to sinking into the ground and on wet soil was prone to sinking and bogging down. By the way, the first tank that we managed to capture near St. Petersburg got stuck in a swampy area, although vehicles had already passed there before.
        And as for the repair group and the workshop, it's still that ambush. Would you know how many tanks the Germans themselves undermined on the battlefield so that the Russians would not get them, because it was not possible to repair it in the field, and there was simply nothing to tow to the rear - the car was too heavy and towing by the second "Tiger" often led to to the breakdown of the transmission and this second one.
      9. +2
        15 November 2019 16: 13
        Quote: GKS 2111
        Here, in fact, all the disadvantages of the "Tiger" are listed, then only the pros - the cannon, the armor ..


        The need to change the shoes of the Tigers into transport and combat, wider tracks and do the same in reverse order for transportation by rail is hardly one of the advantages of the "Tiger". Only one fuss with caterpillars created quite a few problems. The staggered arrangement of the rollers, due to which the repair and replacement of the rollers turned out to be very laborious, is also difficult to attribute to pluses.
        1. 0
          15 November 2019 21: 04
          Quote: NF68
          Only fussing with caterpillars created quite a few problems

          And when you consider that one caterpillar track of a tiger weighed about three tons ...
          1. +2
            17 November 2019 17: 16
            Quote: Albert1988
            Quote: NF68
            Only fussing with caterpillars created quite a few problems

            And when you consider that one caterpillar track of a tiger weighed about three tons ...


            And for the transportation of these tracks each tank needed a truck, and for loading / unloading a crane. It is not clear why the Germans themselves created so many problems.
            1. +2
              17 November 2019 18: 21
              Quote: NF68
              And for the transportation of these tracks each tank needed a truck, and for loading / unloading a crane. It is not clear why the Germans themselves created so many problems.

              Well, these are the Germans! In this case, a German designer! The main thing for them is to stir up the uberwunderwaflu, so that it looks menacing, loudly bangs, technological solutions are heaped up, and then at least the grass does not grow! How will this wunderwaffe feel "in the field" with all these delights - they somehow do not care)))
              And it's good that Porsche was besieged on time and did not let him release that ugliness with an electromechanical transmission, which was the first version of the tiger, and then it became for the chassis elephants))))
              1. +1
                18 November 2019 15: 53
                Quote: Albert1988
                And it's good that Porsche was besieged on time and did not let him release that ugliness with an electromechanical transmission, which was the first version of the tiger, and then it became for the chassis elephants))))


                Perhaps this decision would not have been unsuccessful if Germany had had enough copper. So copper and without it was too little.
                1. 0
                  18 November 2019 22: 02
                  Quote: NF68
                  Perhaps this decision would not have been unsuccessful if Germany had had enough copper. So copper and without it was too little.

                  The problem is not in the resources, but in their processing - the machine turns out to be too complicated, and therefore unreliable, little repairable and very expensive.
                  1. 0
                    19 November 2019 16: 44
                    Quote: Albert1988
                    Quote: NF68
                    Perhaps this decision would not have been unsuccessful if Germany had had enough copper. So copper and without it was too little.

                    The problem is not in the resources, but in their processing - the machine turns out to be too complicated, and therefore unreliable, little repairable and very expensive.


                    Who knows how it would actually come out. The transmission of an ordinary "Tiger" also had quirks. Perhaps electric motors would get rid of this problem.
                    1. 0
                      19 November 2019 18: 44
                      Quote: NF68
                      Who knows how it would actually come out.

                      Why - the exploitation of 90 elephants is somehow known. Tormented with these machines notably. To all the existing problems, new ones were added.
                      1. 0
                        20 November 2019 17: 04
                        Quote: Albert1988
                        Quote: NF68
                        Who knows how it would actually come out.

                        Why - the exploitation of 90 elephants is somehow known. Tormented with these machines notably. To all the existing problems, new ones were added.


                        With the Elephans, Porsche went too far. Too much weight. With a more reasonable approach, the results could be better.
                        1. 0
                          20 November 2019 20: 25
                          Quote: NF68
                          With the Elephans, Porsche went too far. Too much weight. With a more reasonable approach, the results could be better.

                          Problems were not only with weight, too capricious units stood.
                        2. -1
                          21 November 2019 17: 02
                          Quote: Albert1988
                          Quote: NF68
                          With the Elephans, Porsche went too far. Too much weight. With a more reasonable approach, the results could be better.

                          Problems were not only with weight, too capricious units stood.


                          When in a hurry, most often this result is obtained.
                        3. 0
                          22 November 2019 18: 27
                          Quote: NF68
                          When in a hurry, most often this result is obtained.

                          But this can be avoided if the car is not overcomplicated, and the Germans clearly gravitated towards unnecessary overcomplication. They should have made their own "T-34" - simple, reliable and balanced. Instead, they hit the panthers - ugly strange machines that did not ultimately fulfill the role of a massive medium tank, to which they were intended. The same with the entire "animal" line.
      10. -1
        16 November 2019 13: 41
        Are you all the minuses? Still:
        - Chess pendant is very difficult and difficult to repair. In late autumn, dirt can clog between these rollers and freeze, after which the tank cannot go.
        - A lot of weight, not every bridge can withstand
        - Gas engine. Flammable.

        Like any car, it has its drawbacks and advantages. Yes, good. Very good. But it is not worth making a myth about an "invulnerable super tank, knocking out 34 in hundreds".
        1. 0
          17 November 2019 18: 22
          Quote: rJIiOK
          Like any car, it has its drawbacks and advantages. Yes, good. Very good. But it is not worth making a myth about an "invulnerable super tank, knocking out 34 in hundreds".

          Well, of course, the heavy will beat the middle peasants. Similarly, for the Pz-IV, the IS-2 was an almost invulnerable adversary!
      11. +2
        16 November 2019 19: 51
        With this "approach", armor and a cannon are more likely to be "here and all the pluses", and even more - "solid minuses".
        If the author of the "article" had better "dug", but would have found translated recommendations for the crews of the "Tigers".
        Maintenance - every 15 km, it is NOT recommended to move on paved roads - due to the rapid wear of the undercarriage, and in case of "doubts" about the passability, the tank commander was recommended to "on foot" check "the possibility of NOT getting stuck" ...
        So there were problems with "mobility" and this could NOT NOT limit the "scope".

        I don’t know about the adequacy of the cost estimate, but "wandering in the internet" are the amounts for which the "Tiger-1", on average, is 2 times more expensive than the IS-2, which is also NOT a "plus"
    2. -1
      14 November 2019 18: 59
      Yes, the fact that they did not live long and unhappily and died in one day
    3. +3
      14 November 2019 19: 04
      Overheating led to the destruction of the gaskets in the cylinder liners.
      What are "cylinder liners"?
      1. +5
        14 November 2019 19: 50
        Apparently the gaskets are in poor translation.
      2. +1
        14 November 2019 19: 53
        The same ones, only without wings, and therefore were destroyed by overheating smile
      3. +1
        14 November 2019 19: 59
        Well, I mean the cylinder liner, which is not clear for the gaskets, either on the cylinder head or O-rings on the liner.
        1. +3
          14 November 2019 21: 06
          Quote: Alex_You
          Well, I mean the cylinder liner, which is not clear for the gaskets, either on the cylinder head or O-rings on the liner.

          Then where are the bushings? I’ve gnawed ICE for three years in a vocational school ... wink
          1. +1
            15 November 2019 00: 36
            Well, as it were, the cylinder bushing and the liner are one and the same.
      4. +4
        15 November 2019 08: 27
        Quote: sabakina
        gaskets in cylinder liners "

        This is a technically illiterate expression, according to the first "cylinder" does not have any "bushings", a piston with compression and oil scraper rings moves in the cylinder, here, probably, the so-called. "liners" that are placed in the connecting rod bushings on the crankshaft. So they tend to fail when overheated. The bottom line is that when overheated due to thermal expansion, they slow down or block the rotation of the crankshaft, characteristic knocks appear in the engine , when blocking, a connecting rod breakage can generally occur, it even sometimes pierces the cylinder block.
    4. -4
      14 November 2019 19: 15
      The Germans used synthetic gasoline with high-octane additives, due to the fact that, due to the large front line, they could not provide an army in diesel fuel, the entire fleet of that time used diesel both above-water and underwater, there was nothing left for poor tanks. But they did not know how to synthesize diesel fuel, and the oil resources in Europe are far from a luxury like ours.

      So the lack of tanning beds is the main reason, the second most important thing is that all the equipment used the same gasoline, that the motorcycle was a tank, it’s easier to supply all of them from one barrel and you don’t suffer.
      It’s easier to set fire to gasoline equipment, which is a plus for us.
      1. +7
        14 November 2019 19: 29
        And German diesel trucks were not aware of the shortage of solariums. Vapors of diesel fuel detonate no less enchantingly than gasoline. By and large, when you have a ton of fuel and half a ton of gunpowder and shells in your armored can, it’s not really important, diesel or gasoline ...
        But the traction characteristics of the diesel engine will be much higher. Saving diesel fuel is also a weak factor - in the T-34 model and quality of 1942, the power reserve was limited by the supply of oil, not fuel ...
        Very interesting "Tiger" was described by Otto Karius in the book "Tigers" in the Mud. "There are both personal observations and information from official sources - repair services.
        The Tiger is perhaps the most balanced Wehrmacht tank after the Pz. IV.
        1. 0
          14 November 2019 19: 41
          Trucks were mostly mobilized from civilian life (and then they released what they had), before the war no one really thought that the solarium in the Reich would be in short supply.
          1. +5
            14 November 2019 21: 50
            Yes, there was no shortage of diesel in the Reich, but there were ambitions and machinations of Maybach with its gasoline engines. By the way, synthetic diesel was also produced there.
        2. +2
          14 November 2019 20: 55
          A diesel engine of that time had a resource significantly lower than gasoline.
          True, the Americans with this were noticeably better.
          1. 0
            14 November 2019 21: 11
            The Germans did not have a tank diesel then, and we had a V-2. Praise to our designers! And as regards motor resources ... Well, somehow our diesel engines reached Berlin at that time ... Although our resources were not so hot, considering that gasoline engines were installed on the T-34 part ...
            1. +1
              14 November 2019 21: 15
              Resource B-2 at the beginning of the war-50 hours.
              You can’t organize the maneuver of forces along the front line, as the Germans did — tanks were suddenly transferred to another section.
              And I doubt that the tanks that were in 1941 reached Berlin.
              Threat The history of the creation of the B-2 discussed a week ago.
              1. +1
                14 November 2019 21: 25
                Yes, but do not tell me why the partisans tore the rails? Only for the destruction of manpower? And the Tigers on the railway did not move from the word "at all"?
                1. +2
                  14 November 2019 21: 41
                  Partisans rained the rails in the rear, and not near the front line. Tanks cannot be so relocated along the front line so quickly for 200 km, they must go under their own power.
                  And the resource should allow it.
                  1. +2
                    14 November 2019 22: 59
                    Quote: Avior
                    per 200 km

                    Quote: Avior
                    they must go under their own power.

                    Tigers? Are you laughing
                2. 0
                  15 November 2019 05: 07
                  Quote: sabakina
                  Yes, but do not tell me why the guerrillas tore the rails ?.

                  Rail war. Ambiguously, some were against it, believing that it was necessary to undermine steam locomotives, and not stupidly rails.
              2. +3
                14 November 2019 21: 32
                PySy. Do not tell me how many spare engines I brought to Moscow from Kharkov M.I.Koshkin with me?
                1. +4
                  14 November 2019 21: 45
                  Koshkin’s on the run tanks were not serial, but unit assembly, carefully checked.
                  At the same time they were accompanied by a tractor, packed full of spare parts.
                  And even so, after 200 km, near Belgorod, one of the two tanks broke down, so I had to call a brigade with spare parts and repairmen from the factory
                2. 0
                  15 November 2019 17: 40
                  Before getting smart, study the material on the topic. At least Wikipedia. Will not help...

                  The ferry from Kharkov to Moscow was forced, since the tank at that time WAS NOT TESTED UNTIL THE END. That is, these are not serial machines, but "raw" experimental ones, assembled by hand on the knee. The production process was completely unfinished. Moreover, that. the tanks passed most of the way in winter off-road, bypassing large cities.
                  I advise you to ride through the fields in the winter at UAZ from Kharkov to Moscow. So, for an example.
                  In fact, the history of the T-34 of the 40th year was supposed to end in late summer of the 41st, when the T-34M was to go into the series. In its parameters - a completely different car. But - did not have time.
              3. 0
                14 November 2019 22: 55
                Quote: Avior
                as the Germans did, tanks were suddenly transferred to another section.

                On triples and fours, yes, on cats
                Quote: Avior
                I doubt
          2. 0
            15 November 2019 17: 32
            Give me the diesel engines for American tanks of the time. Ahhh? Is it hard? And why is Sherman so disproportionately tall, tell? Could it be because there was an aviation gasoline "star" in it, like on BT5 / 7 or on T-28.
            1. +1
              15 November 2019 19: 05
              What other star on the BT and T-28 ... you need to bite ...
              1. 0
                16 November 2019 16: 27
                Yes, the shikelgruber beguiled me. V-obraznik. But also not a tank, but a modified aircraft.
                1. +1
                  17 November 2019 08: 41
                  Yes, he’s alozych, he can get one from the underworld.
    5. +5
      14 November 2019 19: 32
      The main drawback of the Tiger tank is its price. Price and again price.
      Instead of a mobile "cavalry" (Pz.3 / Pz.4), the Germans received a mobile pillbox incapable of deep maneuvers.
      1. +1
        14 November 2019 21: 15
        According to the series "Armor of Russia", the Germans received a kind of "steel ram" to destroy houses. What nafig maneuvers are there ... Well, spire head-on, hoping for armor ...
        1. +7
          15 November 2019 15: 46
          Vyacheslav hi Why does no one remember how the checkpoint changed on the "Tiger"? He still had to work hard, first it was necessary to remove the tower. In principle, all German tanks had a checkpoint in front.
    6. +3
      14 November 2019 19: 35
      Quote: Voyager
      The tower was demolished the only way! Literally hi

      Well, yes, the caliber is awesome, BUT it's a howitzer in girlhood. Out of politeness, I won't say anything about speed, but getting howitzers into a maneuvering tank is a problem. What is its direct shot? A tiger could hit 2 km from its long-barreled gun.
      Typically, these self-propelled guns were used as assault guns, or mobile artillery. And on the Tiger you can be ambushed, point blank! hi
      1. +5
        14 November 2019 19: 56
        ML-20 in girlhood is just a gun. 1909 or 11 years old, you need to look in a book. Then it was modernized and only then, increasing the elevation angle, did the howitzer gun.
        All the same, the initial speed of +650 m / s for the WWII howitzer is a bit too much. So with flatness, the ML-20 was slightly worse than the same F-34 and ZiS-3 (640-680 m / s).
        The howitzer was in the tower KV-2, M-10t (500 m / s).
      2. +4
        14 November 2019 19: 59
        It seems to me that in a global war ... It’s not the price that matters, but the clock ... needed for production
        1. +1
          14 November 2019 20: 51
          Price is an integral factor in a comprehensive assessment.
          Maybe, for example, the mechanism itself can be assembled quickly, while materials or components are slow and therefore expensive
    7. +1
      14 November 2019 20: 54
      Healthy hurts! A normal running chassis without a subsupport, the width of the hull according to the diameter of the turret’s shoulder straps, and a slightly smaller thickness of the side and top armor would reduce the weight of eight tons.
      Thank God, the mercilessness of the Germans was, well, just malignant. In the sense: God does not give horns to a chatty cow.
      In general, in the Tiger, the ratio of the thickness of the frontal armor and the TTD of the gun is close to ideal.
      If you put the checkpoint simpler, but don’t rest against Korolevich, the Germans could release not one and a half, but three - four thousand Tigers. Then everyone would howl.
      1. 0
        14 November 2019 21: 25
        If you put the checkpoint simpler, but don’t rest against Korolevich, the Germans could release not one and a half, but three - four thousand Tigers. Then everyone would howl.

        Come on . The frontal armor of the IS-2 wasn’t taken by his 88mm gun (except for the NLD - but you’re still there).
        1. +2
          14 November 2019 22: 06
          Which frontal and which IS2? Cast, "with a hole in the forehead" is easy. "Without a hole in the forehead" Yes, I did not. But such ISs also went, if I don't confuse anything, only in the 45th. The IS2, KWK36 turret pierced without problems.
          1. +2
            14 November 2019 22: 16
            Which frontal and which IS2? Cast, "with a hole in the forehead" is easy

            Do not be confused with Panther, yes, she easily took ISa in her forehead.
            But not the Tiger, its 88mm gun had only 150mm penetration, but the ISa had 120mm in its forehead everywhere, but with tilt angles .....
            1. +3
              14 November 2019 23: 09
              M. Baryatinsky, "All tanks of the USSR", M. Yauza, Expo, 2012. Page 294.
              "When the IS tank was fired from the March 1944 release from the 76 mm ZiS-3 cannon at the range, from a distance of 500-600 m, its armor broke through from all sides ...
              Page 295.
              "As for the turret, it was not possible to significantly increase its armor protection ..."
              Tanks "without a hole in the forehead" began to be produced only from May to June 1944. Well it's written right there.
              Now page 301.
              "The existing armor is penetrated by an 88 m projectile at a distance of 800-1000 meters, since the quality of the cast armor is low (has an insignificant density, bubbles). This is from the report on the operations of the 71st OGTP. September 1944.
              Sorry, colleague, you could have read it yourself, without forcing the old man to stomp Claudia.
              So the Tiger gun remained an extremely effective weapon until the end of WWII.
              1. +1
                15 November 2019 12: 45
                Sorry, colleague, you could read it yourself, without forcing the old man to stomp Claudia

                The fact of the matter is that the quality of the armor sailed ..... So the Germans also the quality of the shells sailed:
                "A quote from the German artillery manual:

                "First of all, it should be noted that all the data given here refer to high-quality ammunition. The characteristics of "low-grade" ammunition can only be estimated. Their real armor-piercing ability may turn out to be much worse than the figures given. During the acceptance of a batch of ammunition, a certain number of shots are tested (0,5 ,XNUMX%). A batch is considered to be of high quality if at least two-thirds of all fired shells meet the requirements. As experience shows, such a test characterizes the entire batch of ammunition sufficiently. A full guarantee cannot be given, there is always the possibility that several shots will not have the proper armor-penetrating ability or fail ahead of time. Destroyed ammunition will not detonate an explosive charge. The action of the projectile inside the tank and the probability of hitting the target are not considered here. Thus, we assume that the projectile that penetrates the armor incapacitates the tank. In this respect, they are especially effective projectiles with bursting charge. Armor-piercing shells with various cores or HEAT shells cannot always disable a tank from the first hit, since these shells cannot always hit the entire tank crew at once. Quite often, shells that do not even penetrate the armor can partially reduce the tank's combat effectiveness (as a result of the spalling of the inner layers of the armor or the formation of through holes). "

                And so, ceteris paribus (quality of armor / shells) IS2 had good protection against the Tiger.
                And Tiger2 has not just begun to be developed ...
            2. 0
              15 November 2019 07: 04
              Step armor of the IS-2 body mod. 43 years old, made her way as a tiger and a panther from a distance of about +/- 1 km ..
              IS-2 arr. For 44 years with luck, even a royal tiger was kept with luck. But as Comrade Grossvater writes, the quality of the armor floated ...
              The turret with its 100 mm naturally made its way to everyone, although it seems that from the age of 44 tanks the armor of the gun mask covered the main armor of the turret and it turned out 100 + 100, but this is not accurate.
      2. 0
        14 November 2019 22: 14
        Quote: Grossvater
        Normal suspension without sub-protrusion
        -could not, the weight would not allow to do without it ....
        1. 0
          14 November 2019 23: 11
          Come on! The IS-7, with a weight of 68 tons, ran on an ordinary chassis only on the road and was faster than the Tigers.
      3. +1
        15 November 2019 09: 53
        In the sense: God does not give horns to a chatty cow.

        Chatty cow?! laughing Maybe cheerful?
        Thank God, the mercenaries of the Germans were just malignant

        What is "lump"?
        1. +1
          15 November 2019 12: 59
          Cool pun turned out! Sometimes Android also shows a sense of humor :)!
          Hornless, means hornless, if about a cow.
      4. +1
        15 November 2019 09: 56
        Quote: Grossvater
        talkative God does not give horns to a cow

        T9 - evil Yes
    8. +1
      14 November 2019 21: 52
      Quote: Ham
      if the Germans T-4 were riveted on these forces and funds that were spent on the production of "tigers" it would bring them much more benefit

      Hk and thank god that was not so
    9. +1
      15 November 2019 07: 58
      Sitting on the couch is easy to suck on someone’s flaws.
      And you sit in 34 and drive along the field on which the tiger just stands, is it already wet in your pants?
      Therefore, the comment on the low bow to our Tankers is the only thing that needs to be written today.
      By the way, when was the last time you went to the fraternal cemetery?
      Go and philosophize there, looking at thousands of names on the plates ....
      But in fact, my uncle was decommissioned after Kursk, only one survived from the crew. He was always silent about tigers, and since the age of 37 he had been a mechanic driver on a tank ...
      A mechman worked for me as a brazier from 34: he always said that - at 34 he was all in soot, and on a panther even in a white shirt (he had a chance to fight in a trophy machine).
      Different approaches; design schools built the achievement of the same result taking into account opposite factors ...
      1. 0
        15 November 2019 18: 15
        I do not want to say anything bad, but the Japanese achieved outstanding characteristics of battleships due to the completely unbearable conditions of life of the sailors. And maybe that’s right. And then we have outstanding pedagogical methods, and each next generation is dumber and uncontrollable than the previous one.
    10. 0
      15 November 2019 10: 15
      The list of Tiger shortcomings, as it is not surprising, is large enough, here there is a weak cooling system and engine and the biggest drawback is the running one, not adapted for the Russian winter, but not only for the Russian one.
      There is also the mass of the tank not in his favor and the size (width) that did not allow him to be transported with standard tracks by rail and so on, etc. ....
      However, despite all these shortcomings, the tank caused fear and respect among the enemy on all fronts.
      Recently I read a review of the 50s on the military equipment of Germany during the Second World War and there they also devastatingly characterize the Me-109, as the analysis of the machine shows, the fighter was not bad in comparison with opponents, but "did not shine" and the main merit of its success, mass character , adaptability and skill of pilots.
      With the Tiger the same thing, well-trained crews skillfully used the advantages of the tank and skillfully avoided its shortcomings, of course, as far as possible.
      In general, it is possible to discuss technology indefinitely, nobody has succeeded in creating the ideal weapon, as always the main thing in any weapon is its owner, whether it be just an infantryman with a rifle, a tankman or a pilot.
    11. Mwg
      +1
      15 November 2019 10: 38
      Nobody said the most important thing: an optical sight. The Tigers had a disease - when a shell of any caliber hit the gun’s mask, the Tiger fell off mounting a wonderful Zeiss sight. And then you can think for yourself what the Tiger was good for. And the Germans did not cure this disease until the end of the war
      1. 0
        15 November 2019 13: 12
        I have not heard. Where is it from? But given the haste of development, it is entirely possible. Although the Su85, for example, in a similar situation, the VN drive fell off for welding.
        All the same, the main trouble is striped: unreasonably high weight. For the mid-forties, the real limit is 45, well, 50 tons. It was harder to do reliably.
        Admittedly, German gloomy geniuses crap. You can compare at least with the M26. The armor is the same, the gun is more powerful, the weight is 15 tons less.
        But the machine is still the most serious.
      2. 0
        15 November 2019 18: 10
        And what exactly is the mask? Was the sight paired with a gun? Why didn’t you decide? There was no welding in the captured MTS?
    12. +1
      15 November 2019 12: 27
      So is Rezun right?
      1. 0
        15 November 2019 13: 03
        Well, we got to Rezun!
        Depending on what, the truth is extremely skillfully mixed with it, it is many and easy to verify and lies. Moreover, the lodges are cunningly hidden, which is called on critical turns. Because of this petty but very petty lie, the whole truth begins to work in the false direction.
        1. -1
          15 November 2019 13: 14
          Please comment?
        2. +1
          15 November 2019 15: 49
          You write
          truth is extremely expertly mixed
          Recently, more and more publications confirm the reason Rezun (unfortunately I can’t provide a link because our TV channels do not upload their films to the network, and even in the archives of TV programs they don’t indicate them, they don’t want to see comments, and I don’t record TV shows) You also say that there is a lie - his only lie, or rather a mistake, is his point of view on communism as a whole. For he considered only the actions of the USSR by completely omitting the steps taken by other states.
          I believe that the USSR wanted to correct the situation around the world and establish the dictatorship of the proletariat and free humanity from capitalism. If they had not made a mistake in assessing Germany's preparations for the war and would not have missed their attack, now the world would be different. History is generally full of secrets, if society accepted modern alternative points of view on the education of mankind, it would be horrified by the one with whom it deals.
          And the war against this evil is the only right decision. You can now see that despite the elimination of the communist system in the USSR, war is still inevitable.
          And not the fact that Russia after this war will remain Russia.
          1. 0
            17 November 2019 00: 36
            Where did you find such publications? His supporters and fans? Even the figures who claim that the Earth is flat have their admirers, but this statement has not ceased to be absurd. As for Rezun, in the light of the events of recent decades, his opuses have the support of certain forces and merge with a common chorus about the eternal threat from the East from Russia, whether it be tsarist, Bolshevik or like the current one, I don’t know where to put it, the main thing is the threat. This is still from the "testament" of Peter 1, and maybe even earlier. So the comrade is right about the lie interspersed with truth in the works of this gentleman.

            No system and no time cancels the war, alas.
    13. 0
      15 November 2019 18: 07
      Hitler kaput.
    14. -2
      15 November 2019 19: 18
      Only a cretin can consider the Tiger an outstanding machine. The engineering and conceptual perfection of the design can be assessed by the number of successful solutions that will be widely used in the future. No double tracks, no chess in a walker, no turret with a bent side part, no hull configuration, and even gun mask - none of this found use - there were no fools besides the Germans ... Another with the T-34 - rational angles of inclination, a cast turret, a powerful diesel engine, a long-barreled universal (land mine + armor) gun, an engine interlocked with a transmission in one compartment - all these structural elements are used or were used on most tanks created after the war.
      1. +2
        17 November 2019 18: 41
        Yes, just compare the Tiger with a peer, the T-44. He has an equal armament with a more powerful reservation and weighs 25 tons less.
        Purely German affairs, art for the sake of art.
        1. +1
          17 November 2019 20: 49
          This is not art - business is harder to produce and service more money to the manufacturer - this is the way automakers go this way ...
    15. +2
      15 November 2019 19: 35
      Quote: sabakina
      The Germans did not have a tank diesel then, and we had a V-2. Praise to our designers! And as regards motor resources ... Well, somehow our diesel engines reached Berlin at that time ... Although our resources were not so hot, considering that gasoline engines were installed on the T-34 part ...

      So the Germans almost reached Moscow in gasoline "weak and funny" tanks. At the same time, many were already with a "run across Europe"
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        16 November 2019 09: 14
        Guderian replaced the engines with the "Euro run" even during the "Smolensk pause" ..
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          17 November 2019 21: 15
          I conditionally spoke. We are also not in banks of the 41st year arrived in Berlin
      2. 0
        17 November 2019 21: 14
        He wrote, wrote, everything went wrong somewhere.
        According to German tank engines. Please tell me, in a fig, a tank engine of a military man, I want to notice the time, the tunnel crankcase and needle rod bearings? Indeed, one hell will burn if not in the fifth (Soviet tank), but in the eleventh (German) attack.
        In addition, triples and fours, with their well-developed and licked engines and boxes, reached the outskirts of Moscow. That's how the roasted rooster pecked, so the Tigers and Panthers went, almost any breakdown of which required factory repair.
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      16 November 2019 22: 33
      I didn’t come up with it. From the memoirs of a Soviet tanker. “Which tank would you like to be in?” “Tiger”, of course - well, that's understandable, but from ours? - “Sherman”.
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        16 November 2019 22: 39
        Quote: Nycomed
        In "Tiger", of course - well, that's understandable, but what about ours? - in "Sherman".

        You're lying after all. There was no such thing in Drabkin. Can you find a quote?
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          17 November 2019 00: 31
          Yes, I'm not lying! I just can’t find it now. Wiped it out, maybe. But I didn’t get it out of my head?
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            17 November 2019 00: 37
            Quote: Nycomed
            Yes, I'm not lying! I just can’t find it now. Wiped it out, maybe. But I didn’t get it out of my head?

            But I remember that the tanker who fought on both the T-34 and Sherman said that both tanks are good. My grandfather was a mechanical instructor at BT, so he loved this car. Accelerated to 80 km. in hour.
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            17 November 2019 20: 50
            Yes, what’s the head here-from the duplex, and even smeared it with his plank. Breach, too, must be able to ...
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        17 November 2019 00: 44
        Soviet tankmen were people, but people are different, with different experiences and different opinions. Someone likes this, someone likes this. Although it is humanly understandable to be in a more secure vehicle, the Sherman is perhaps more convenient.
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          17 November 2019 00: 50
          Quote: Buhach
          "Sherman", perhaps more convenient.

          More comfortable. laughing Seats are soft, white painted on the inside, a bubble of whiskey in the gun ... feel
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            17 November 2019 21: 19
            Even if we imagine that Sherman is so good, although in Korea he merged the thirty-four completely, then just look at his frontal part to understand: the USSR during the war could not produce such tanks in any way. The greatest merit of Koshkin and his comrades atom is that, without a reliable aggregate base, they managed to make a magnificent car. I strongly advise you to read Kolomiets in this sense, he writes much more than other authors about the production aspects of machines.
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      19 November 2019 20: 02
      "Meet the Soviet St. John's wort."

      The SU-152 and ISU-152 practically did not prove themselves as anti-tank - in view of the extremely low rate of fire and the small distance of a direct shot at the tank and small ammunition. Single episodes were successful, but they did not make the weather

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