The third series of "Warsaw" will be built for the Baltic Fleet

The third series of "Warsaw" will be built for the Baltic Fleet

third fleet, after the Black Sea and the Pacific, which can get a series of non-nuclear submarines, the Baltic can become. This was reported by TASS with reference to two sources in the shipbuilding industry.


According to the agency, the Navy Commander is currently discussing the construction of a series of diesel-electric submarines of the 636.3 Varshavyanka project for the Baltic Fleet. Thus, the Baltic Fleet may become the third after the Black Sea and Pacific Fleets, which received non-nuclear submarines with Caliber cruise missiles or their analogues.

The Navy High Command is discussing the construction of a series of diesel-electric submarines of the 636.3 project for the Baltic Fleet. The appearance on the BF submarines - carriers "Caliber" will significantly enhance the shock potential of the Russian Federation in the Baltic

- the agency leads the words of one of the sources.

At the same time, according to the second source, the Varshavyanka series for the Baltic Fleet may not consist of six, but a smaller number of submarines. This issue is also under discussion.

Recall that the Admiralty Shipyards Shipyard previously built a series of six submarines of the 636.3 Varshavyanka project for the Black Sea Fleet, and is currently building a series of diesel-electric submarines for the Pacific Fleet.

To date, the parent Varshavyanka for the Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky Pacific Fleet has passed state tests and is preparing to join the fleet. The second in a series of Volkhov submarine is being completed and will be launched in December this year. On November 1, the third and fourth submarines for the Pacific Fleet - Ufa and Magadan - were laid, plans for laying the fifth and sixth submarines have not yet been announced. The entire series of six submarines should be built by the 2022 year.

Submarines of the 636.3 Varshavyanka project belong to the third generation. The length of the submarines is 73 meters, the width is 10 meters, the maximum immersion depth is 300 meters, the underwater speed is 20 nodes, and the autonomy is 45 days. Crew - 52 person. The submarines are armed with six 533 mm caliber torpedo tubes, mines and Caliber rocket launchers.
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  1. bouncyhunter 14 November 2019 13: 15 New
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    The Navy Commander is currently discussing the construction of a series of diesel-electric submarines of Project 636.3 Varshavyanka for the Baltic Fleet.

    The news is definitely good. The main thing is not to get stuck at the discussion stage, but to start construction.
    1. cniza 14 November 2019 13: 18 New
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      Here - here, it’s better to do it first and then shout about it ...
      1. bk316 14 November 2019 13: 21 New
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        it’s better to do it first and then shout about it ...

        And what was at least once that the Admiralty Warsaw did not do on time?
        1. cniza 14 November 2019 14: 01 New
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          I’m not talking about this, but about an additional series for BF, or rather the third series, sometimes journalists run ahead of the engine.
    2. bk316 14 November 2019 13: 28 New
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      The news is definitely good.

      Greetings to Paul.
      Not sure what is good.
      The Admiralty’s plan was to finish the series at the Pacific Fleet and SERIOUSLY switch to Lada, and now it will probably be postponed.
      I recommend that anyone interested in the Russian Nuclear Submarine Fleet come here
      http://admship.ru/

      And on the history of the Admiralty specifically here
      http://admship.ru/production/archive/spravochnik-proektov-podvodnykh-lodok-postroennykh-na-admiralteyskikh-verfyakh/

      with CTX pictures, well done
      1. bouncyhunter 15 November 2019 07: 23 New
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        Vladimir hi
        Quote: bk316
        SERIES to go to Lada, and now it will probably be postponed

        Quite possible . I really want to hope that the Lada will be built in parallel with the Varshavyanka for the BF ...
        Z.Y. Thanks for the links! drinks
    3. Alexander Petrov1 14 November 2019 14: 35 New
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      So, of course, 3 submarines would have been enough, although there would have been enough for 6 work there, especially when almost always 1 submarine is under repair or modernization, and the NATO barmalei have a whole armada of ships and submarines with missiles ...
    4. Omskgasmyas 16 November 2019 11: 49 New
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      Not stuck. The construction of these boats has been completed. The series will be smaller than for the Black Sea Fleet. I think that 4 is enough. Anaerobic will be built further.
  2. Thunderbolt 14 November 2019 13: 16 New
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    Poor Swedes. How many exciting surprises and surprises they have ahead!

  3. Sergey39 14 November 2019 13: 17 New
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    For the Baltic, you need a smaller submarine, some piranhas. Swedes to keep in good shape.
    1. Vladimir61 14 November 2019 13: 52 New
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      Quote: Sergey39
      Any piranhas.

      Not just any, but something like the P750 project
      displacement of 950 tons, range of about 2000 nautical miles, capable of carrying 12 minutes, armed with four Onyx, Caliber or Zircon class cruise missiles located in universal vertical launchers, and four 533 mm torpedoes
      1. Sergey39 14 November 2019 14: 37 New
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        Still, smaller ones are better for the Baltic, P550 for example.
    2. knn54 14 November 2019 14: 22 New
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      NATO countries (Germany, Denmark, Norway, Poland): 4 destroyers; 26 frigates, 9 corvettes. 8 minesweepers, 16 missile boats, 10 patrol boats and 16 submarines.
      Baltic Fleet: 1 destroyer, 6 small patrol and anti-submarine ships, 18 missile boats, 8 landing ships, 9 minesweepers, and TOTAL 3 submarines.
      And do not forget that the ships of other NATO countries are often present.
      1. internal enemy 14 November 2019 14: 32 New
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        There are no boats in principle, but those that stand at the pier do not need to be considered, and with landing ships, they overdid it 2 times
      2. Omskgasmyas 16 November 2019 11: 51 New
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        Have you forgotten naval aviation? The fleet includes not only ships.
  4. Lord of the Sith 14 November 2019 13: 30 New
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    It's time, oh, it's time to arm the fleets with modern ships.
    Probable opponents are not asleep.
    1. Eskobar 14 November 2019 14: 31 New
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      Exactly what is modern. It’s time to finish the VNEU for the Warsaw’s women, and even a little more, and they will be completely competitive.
  5. alma 14 November 2019 13: 33 New
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    The third fleet, which can receive a series of non-nuclear submarines, can become the Baltic.

    Maybe yes, maybe no? In short - they threw a seed to people to discuss.
    What is up with Lada?
  6. rocket757 14 November 2019 13: 48 New
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    When plans change ... there are probably objective reasons.
  7. Paul Siebert 14 November 2019 14: 01 New
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    As a former sailor of the Twice Red Banner Baltic Fleet, I welcome this decision! Even during the years of World War II, Baltic submariners covered themselves with unfading glory!
    "William Gustlov" was sunk by Marinesco precisely in the waters of the Baltic!
  8. rudolff 14 November 2019 14: 09 New
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    From the leading leaders of submarine non-nuclear shipbuilding, we smoothly mimic to hopeless outsiders. How much more can you drive this series?
    1. barsuk 14 November 2019 14: 15 New
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      Why is the series bad for you?
      1. rudolff 14 November 2019 14: 50 New
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        Not a series, but a ship. The project is excellent, but morally outdated yesterday.
    2. Sandor Clegane 14 November 2019 16: 29 New
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      Rudolph hi , I agree with you, if ..... these "would" be able to "Lada-Kalin" to build this way, but they are not there and this series will be driven until the issue with a new non-nuclear submarine is resolved ... .yes you know it yourself repeat
      1. rudolff 14 November 2019 16: 40 New
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        And there is. In the absence of an alternative, we drive Varshavyanka. It’s good that we’re building something. It’s bad that there is nothing new.
      2. Tiksi-3 6 December 2019 14: 36 New
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        Quote: Sandor Clegane
        yes you yourself know it

        Yes, everyone knows everything, but only things are still there ((
    3. alexmach 14 November 2019 16: 46 New
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      How much more can you drive this series?

      Well, as I understand it, now there is a choice
      1. Build Warsaw
      2. Do not build anything
      Which would you prefer?
      1. Dmitry Vinner 14 November 2019 16: 57 New
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        Give this money to me. At least someone will benefit.
      2. rudolff 14 November 2019 18: 01 New
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        I would prefer to listen to the words of Vysotsky, instead of twisting his hands, I would close the work on the 677th project and speed up the work on a new one with the involvement of Malachite. You see, I wouldn’t have to stamp Varshavyanka now.
        1. alexmach 14 November 2019 18: 26 New
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          I guess a time machine is needed for this
        2. Samaritan 15 November 2019 11: 15 New
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          I would close the work on the 677th project and force the work on the new with the involvement of Malachite.

          And to disperse people from shipyards? There are empty workshops and slipways, moreover, the Admiralty shipyards are undergoing major modernization. The ZAS has been completed, the D building is being repaired ... Lada occupies one building, it is quietly occupied ... We definitely need to produce it, but at the same time deal with the Lada Kalina, and so on. This is the work of different people and different "organizations" ... IMHO drinks
          1. rudolff 15 November 2019 13: 54 New
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            One hull was launched not so long ago; before that, two slipway places were taken. Funding was either renewed or suspended, work was done in fits and starts.
            Preservation of jobs is a dubious reason to build ships, from which the fleet itself turns its nose. St. Petersburg has already been raped by alterations, became gold, and is still in the experimental.
  9. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 14 November 2019 14: 18 New
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    This is bad. It means that something is still wrong with Lada, and I was so happy when I found out that the Lada series would continue ... I thought the problems were over, but no, it seems.
    1. rudolff 14 November 2019 14: 48 New
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      Lada 677 / Amur 1650 was originally a flawed project. Do not regret it. But that's why Kalina was released on the brakes, a question.
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 14 November 2019 14: 53 New
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        Why is he flawed? DEPL of the 4-th generation, a new HACK, BIUS and so on ... And viburnum is some obscure Wishlist from the series "Lada did not work - let's design a new one from scratch"
        1. rudolff 14 November 2019 15: 01 New
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          "Lada did not work - let's design a new one from scratch." Exactly. Lada did not work. And no shamanistic spells can fix this. St. Petersburg is still in experimental. Need a new project.
          And for the 4th generation Lada "neither stern nor nose" came out.
    2. Artemiy_2 14 November 2019 16: 16 New
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      It is stated that at least 5 frets will be built
      1. rudolff 14 November 2019 16: 28 New
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        Two of these five buildings have been tortured for nearly 15 years and cannot give birth to all.
  10. Pavel57 14 November 2019 14: 36 New
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    Better than none.
  11. K-50 14 November 2019 14: 41 New
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    As I understand it, you can’t remember about Cupids. sad
    1. rudolff 14 November 2019 16: 08 New
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      Probably yes. Although Amur 950 would be well suited for the Baltic. In theory. Provided that I would not have pulled upon myself the problems of the 1650th Cupid / Lada.
  12. Andrei Nikolaevich 14 November 2019 14: 43 New
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    Kormilitsin- made a headache for foreign fleets.
  13. storm 14 November 2019 16: 15 New
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    For the shallow Baltic, the almost ideal P-750B project has already been developed,
    with a displacement of about 1450 tons, it belongs to the class of small submarines of coastal action.
    Its length is about 66 meters, width - about 7 meters, draft - about 5,2 meters.
    The maximum immersion depth is 300 meters. The total underwater speed is 18 knots, economic - 4 knots. Autonomy - up to 30 days, total cruising range - up to 4300 miles.
    Continuous underwater range including VNEU is up to 1200 miles.

    The power plant includes a closed-cycle gas turbine engine (two of 400 kW each) and an electric motor with a capacity of 2500 kW.

    Armament - 533 mm torpedoes, missiles and mines.
    1. Sandor Clegane 14 November 2019 16: 32 New
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      Quote: assault
      Almost shallow Baltic has already been developed

      almost, but he is not considered
      Quote: assault
      Continuous underwater range including VNEU is up to 1200 miles.

      ready-made VNEU ?? belay ... damn it, but in the Navy they know ??
      and so in theory a good project
    2. rudolff 14 November 2019 16: 34 New
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      Not designed. The project is still in the work of Malachite. And at VNEU this gas turbine is still R&D in full swing. Although I would not be surprised if they ripen before Rubin. Rubin in general filled up all the work in all directions.
  14. Dmitry Vinner 14 November 2019 16: 18 New
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    Question to the experts. Is this an issue already resolved? https://www.rosbalt.ru/russia/2019/09/06/1800876.html
    Maybe someone knows?
    1. impostor 14 November 2019 22: 23 New
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      You are too curious. In our time, this is not a plus. The question "Why did she drown" is not welcome? For he reveals the dark beginnings of the foundations ...
      1. Dmitry Vinner 14 November 2019 23: 55 New
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        Response to the question "Why did she drown"? depends on whose she is. Everything else doesn't matter
  15. bars1 14 November 2019 19: 55 New
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    IMHO, domestic submarines with DOMESTIC VNEU (not Chinese!) In the best (!!!) case will enter the stand at the very end of the 20s. So be patient. Although if ours step over their pride, then by the mid-20s, the first submarines with Chinese VNEU might enter service ...
  16. Shraik 15 November 2019 00: 33 New
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    Quote: bk316
    http://admship.ru/

    The site is very nicely decorated.
  17. Chess knight 16 November 2019 02: 01 New
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    ... this is very good 4 submarines for the Baltic Fleet ... But if the question is either Varshavyanka or Piranhas, it would be better to choose Piranhas in them more surprise, they have more unpredictability, and one of the main ones may be more sabotage surprises, then which is very it will be necessary if there are threats to Kaliningrad, that from the side of Kaliningrad, that from the side of St. Petersburg (reconnaissance, landing, mining)
    ps
    But it says here, it is possible both this and that, and with butter and bread.
  18. Chess knight 16 November 2019 02: 08 New
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    Quote: Chess Knight
    ... this is very good 4 submarines for the Baltic Fleet ... But if the question is either Varshavyanka or Piranhas, it would be better to choose Piranhas in them more surprise, they have more unpredictability, and one of the main ones may be more sabotage surprises, then which is very it will be necessary if there are threats to Kaliningrad, that from the side of Kaliningrad, that from the side of St. Petersburg (reconnaissance, landing, mining)
    ps
    But it says here, it is possible both this and that, and with butter and bread.

    I will add to the fact that the INF Treaty has been canceled, respectively, the same Caliber can calmly rest on the ground in Pskov, Novgorod, Narva, etc., etc., but a sufficient and main blow will come from 4 small and inconspicuous PIRANIAS ... + which is important it's a diversionary group ... it can solve a lot! in advance!