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Pashinyan: I am ready for a dialogue on Karabakh not only with official Baku, but also with the Azerbaijani people

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The speech of the Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan at the so-called Paris Peace Forum is actively discussed in Armenia and Azerbaijan. During his speech, Pashinyan touched on an extremely acute issue for Yerevan and Baku - the issue of resolving the situation in Nagorno-Karabakh.


According to Pashinyan, no one has the right to talk with Armenia from a position of strength.

Pashinyan:

We are not threatening anyone in our region. We are ready for peace. I personally am ready for dialogue not only with official Baku, but also with the Azerbaijani people, with whom we have something to discuss.

During the forum in Paris, Nikol Pashinyan was asked a question from the Azerbaijani representative. The following wording was used in the question: "internationally recognized Karabakh as part of the Republic of Azerbaijan."

Pashinyan, answering a question about the status of Nagorno-Karabakh, retorted:

But if Nagorno-Karabakh, as you say, has internationally recognized status as Azerbaijan, then why are you still negotiating the status of these territories?

Further, the Armenian prime minister decided to return to the events in Sumgait. According to him, the situation then boiled down to the fact that "Armenians were killed during the massacre, and later these killings spread to Armenians living in Baku."

Pashinyan:

People fled without clothes, throwing everything. If you say that then everyone suffered, then this is not true. The Azerbaijani population was defended by the police, not a single Azerbaijani was injured (...) Now I am proposing a dialogue. You know how opponents in Armenia criticize me for this - they criticize me for offering an honest conversation to resolve the Karabakh conflict. I am talking about the need to negotiate and work out a solution that will be acceptable to Armenia, Azerbaijan and Nagorno-Karabakh itself.
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  1. Thrall
    Thrall 14 November 2019 12: 53 New
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    I am personally ready for dialogue not only with official Baku, but also with the Azerbaijani people

    Is the Armenian people ready?
    1. krot
      krot 14 November 2019 12: 58 New
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      I think neither Azerbaijanis nor Armenians want to fight. But the Anglo-Saxons will always add fuel to the fire. Perhaps not with their own hands, but for example through the Turks ..
      1. Marxal2019
        Marxal2019 14 November 2019 16: 54 New
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        Quote: krot
        I think neither Azerbaijanis nor Armenians want to fight.

        True, no one wants war. Armenia is not ready because, it knows that if the war starts, no one will help them, the result will be disastrous. Azerbaijan does not want the sons of our people not to die. You always write Turks and Turks, do you know that in Turkey 100.000 illegally living Armenians work and feed? If the Turks are such enemies, why go there?
        1. melkonster1974
          melkonster1974 8 December 2019 19: 04 New
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          We have been hearing this song for a long time. About the deplorable result of the war for Armenia. But Azerbaijanis are dreaming of war. But a deplorable outcome will be for you.
      2. Ramzay121
        Ramzay121 14 November 2019 16: 56 New
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        The keys to this conflict are not among the Anglo-Saxons and especially not among the Turks, and not in the readiness of the dialogue of the Prime Minister of Armenia, but in Russia. Step aside, it will take a maximum of a month to resolve the conflict.
        1. Marxal2019
          Marxal2019 14 November 2019 16: 58 New
          +1
          Quote: Ramzay121
          but in Russia. Stand back, take a maximum of a month

          Fully agree with you.
          1. Karen
            Karen 14 November 2019 18: 32 New
            +1
            Quote: Marxal2019
            Quote: Ramzay121
            but in Russia. Stand back, take a maximum of a month

            Fully agree with you.

            In the war of the 90s, yours also dreamed so ...
            We will need to repel the aggression of weapons based on the presence of 10% of the enemy’s weapons in order to repeat that scenario (then we had 5%).
            1. Marxal2019
              Marxal2019 14 November 2019 18: 40 New
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              Quote: Karen
              In the war of the 90s, yours also dreamed so ...

              Old song about the 90th)))))))))

              Quote: Karen
              We will need to repel the aggression of weapons based on the presence of 10% of the enemy’s weapons in order to repeat that scenario (then we had 5%).

              I'm under the table)))))))))))) so in April, posters from the windows of Yerevan hung up with the words PUTIN help and were offended by the entire CSTO general?

              If we broke up a vaunted defense that had been modernized for more than 2016 years with 3% of the personnel overnight in April 20 (or rather 5 hours), guess what will happen if we use 50%

              In the 90s, we had a lot of equipment, most of which did not work. In the 90th, the Russian military fought for you. The card has been put on you. And what we can do, remember your very battalion, Arabo, some terminators, lovers of killing civilians, what happened to them do not remember? And this was done by the village boys of the Ganja battalion. And now it’s not the 90s, now 2019 has passed almost 30 years and not these guys but professionals will stand before you ... who will cover any defense in 3 hours.

              Your faith in your peculiarity and invincibility will destroy you.
              1. Karen
                Karen 14 November 2019 18: 50 New
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                Quote: Marxal2019
                If during the night (or rather in 3 hours) we spread the vaunted defense which has been modernized for more than 20 years with 5% of the personnel, guess what will happen if we use 50%

                A hundred times he wrote: in April, Serzhik handed over the land !!! With a sauce of military failure like the Six Day War ...
                But our soldiers did not agree with this, and went to fight - without the army elite ...
                And the fact that Russia stopped the war - I already knew on the 3rd of that the 5th was obliged to end the hostilities ... Russia did not want to continue the hostilities ...
                1. Marxal2019
                  Marxal2019 14 November 2019 19: 31 New
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                  Quote: Karen
                  A hundred times he wrote: in April, Serzhik handed over the land !!!

                  Serzhik handed over the earth? Do you believe that yourself?

                  Quote: Karen
                  But our soldiers did not agree with this, and went to fight - without the army elite ...

                  If the elite has nothing to do with it, why were they removed from the posts of Minister of Defense and Generals?) Is it like a comedy drama for the people?

                  Quote: Karen
                  And the fact that Russia stopped the war

                  Russia not only stopped, but also gave a green light to the beginning of this war. Remember how before the war Serzhik and all of Armenia spat in the direction of Russia, they say over there and all that, Armenia with Europe and the USA, bast marks and Putin said so ..... GREEN LIGHT. After losing, you lost the last, you and your army laid down the Kremlin, including air defense.


                  Quote: Karen
                  Russia did not want to continue military operations ...

                  Yes, I agree. As Ilham Aliyev publicly and everywhere said, Serzhik Azatovich asked Putin to stop the war. By Putin’s call to Aliyev, the war stopped.
                  1. Karen
                    Karen 14 November 2019 19: 39 New
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                    Quote: Marxal2019
                    Quote: Karen
                    A hundred times he wrote: in April, Serzhik handed over the land !!!

                    Serzhik handed over the earth? Do you believe that yourself?

                    I not only believe in it, but also saw it with my own eyes ... And in Stepanakert a couple of days before April (when special equipment was withdrawn from the front line), and on the first day of the war - on this day I did not see columns of military equipment for the whole day on the road to Ar.tsy.
                    ______
                    And the fact that Serzhik fired a couple of horsemen was purely a clowning ...
                    _______
                    I am sure that not Serzhik was the first to call Putin, but Aliyev ... Sergik would benefit from a longer war ...
                    1. Marxal2019
                      Marxal2019 14 November 2019 19: 44 New
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                      Quote: Karen
                      I not only believe in it, but also saw it with my own eyes ...

                      Karen, Serzhik is at the heart of the Karabakh conflict. Does he participate and does he surrender? Yes, the Dashnaks would eat him alive. He would be publicly shot in Yerevan. What are you saying) First of all, he would be punished by the Kremlin)))))))))))

                      I have one request to you. Do not write the word Ar.tsah. In the first, he is not recognized by anyone. So he was Karabakh, is and will remain. Although I dare to assure you that it was called in the 1th century, only what relation does it have to you. since its founder is not Karen or Ashot but Hassan Jalal Dovla. I repeat Hassan and not Ashot or Vazgen. Or have you had problems since the 12th century with the names that you still like among the Turks to interact with?
                      1. Karen
                        Karen 14 November 2019 23: 19 New
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                        Quote: Marxal2019
                        Karen, Serzhik is at the heart of the Karabakh conflict. Does he participate and does he surrender? Yes, the Dashnaks would eat him alive. He would be publicly shot in Yerevan. What do you say)

                        If Serzhik was at the origins of the Karabakh movement, then after the activation of Samvel Babayan he became simply an extras and a hangman ...

                        Dashnaks in Yerevan? In Yerevan, the Dashnaks never represented anything ... Even they couldn’t stutter a lesson ...
                        __________
                        As for Ar.ts ...
                        The history of Ar.tsakh begins much earlier than Hasanov ...
                        I do not know about the nationality of Hasan Jalal ... I only know that it was he who proposed the Armenian Cilicia to be an ally of the Mongols ... Which was done ...
                    2. Marxal2019
                      Marxal2019 15 November 2019 18: 12 New
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                      Quote: Karen
                      I am sure that not Serzhik was the first to call Putin, but Aliyev ... Sergik would benefit from a longer war ...

                      You are sure that you are profitable. And I say that, Ilham Aliyev, both on national TV and in front of Russian diplomats at the meeting and at the forum where Serzhik was also present, said that Putin and Shoigu called him to our Zakir, asking for STOP. I am personally sure that for the start of the war, START was also from these persons. I am 100% sure of this
                      1. Karen
                        Karen 15 November 2019 18: 18 New
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                        I explained earlier there: it would be Serzhik who would be better off a longer war. He would have so calmly ordered the murders in Armenia of those who interfered with him on the political field ...
                      2. melkonster1974
                        melkonster1974 8 December 2019 19: 14 New
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                        With this, he reassured his people. And 100% only God can be sure.
                2. Marxal2019
                  Marxal2019 14 November 2019 19: 38 New
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                  Karen, in April 2016, your side lost to Azerbaijan in many ways.

                  1. Salvage, Azerbaijan is able to wage a long-term war.
                  2. The training of Azerbaijani soldiers was at a high level. The Mossad and Turkish special forces and even Russia prepared the Azerbaijani army.
                  3. Technique. On the Azerbaijani side, military equipment is much more technologically advanced than that of Armenia. Israeli Khorop and Spike showed themselves at the highest level.
                  4. Fighting spirit, the Azerbaijani army is now at a high level.
                  5. The suddenness.
                  6. Your faith in your very army.

                  One thing I understood for sure from these wars, you cannot start without a green light. Until 080808, Russia was also for the territorial integrity of Georgia, but when Georgia ended up in Abkhazia, how did it end you know. And in the Karabakh conflict it is not right to ignore Russia, and the founder of all this at the source is also the Kremlin gentlemen.
                  1. Karen
                    Karen 14 November 2019 19: 49 New
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                    Technique without a man cannot win ...
                    But we could resist ... He gave an example - our losses near Gebrail were due to the fact that all the soldiers went on the attack to beat the Turk, and no one wanted to be just a cartridge feeder - all were left without cartridges ...
                    1. Oquzyurd
                      Oquzyurd 14 November 2019 22: 39 New
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                      "that all the soldiers went on the attack to beat the Turk, and no one wanted to be just a feeder of cartridges - all were left without cartridges ..." lol lol lol
                      1. Karen
                        Karen 14 November 2019 22: 44 New
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                        When your draped, you are unlikely to laugh like that ...
                      2. Oquzyurd
                        Oquzyurd 15 November 2019 01: 15 New
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                        2016 ours "draped", but for some reason you lost 19 fortified posts lol
                      3. Karen
                        Karen 15 November 2019 06: 57 New
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                        The conversation was about the Jabrail direction ...
                        _____
                        Serzhik handed over, handed over ...
                        When Rita Sargsyan visited the wounded from those battles in the Stepanakert hospital, she asked one: "Is there anything you want to say / convey?" The answer of the many-hour mortar shelling (which he stood calmly in a head-on attack) was worthy of your attention: “Tell me that next time I will not ask for permission, and I will go ahead with my soldiers.”
                      4. melkonster1974
                        melkonster1974 8 December 2019 19: 17 New
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                        19 strengthen posts? Well, you're a fabulist. The maximum that you took a worthless height and 800 hectares of neutral territory. And at the same time managed to lose hundreds of soldiers trained by the Mossad and Turks from conscripts. :)
                  2. melkonster1974
                    melkonster1974 8 December 2019 19: 18 New
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                    Do you want to seem dumber than you really are :)
          2. melkonster1974
            melkonster1974 8 December 2019 19: 12 New
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            Quote: Marxal2019
            I'm under the table)))))))))))) so in April, posters from the windows of Yerevan hung up with the words PUTIN help and were offended by the entire CSTO general?

            If we broke up a vaunted defense that had been modernized for more than 2016 years with 3% of the personnel overnight in April 20 (or rather 5 hours), guess what will happen if we use 50%

            In the 90s, we had a lot of equipment, most of which did not work. In the 90th, the Russian military fought for you. The card has been put on you. And what we can do, remember your very battalion, Arabo, some terminators, lovers of killing civilians, what happened to them do not remember? And this was done by the village boys of the Ganja battalion. And now it’s not the 90s, now 2019 has passed almost 30 years and not these guys but professionals will stand before you ... who will cover any defense in 3 hours.

            Your faith in your peculiarity and invincibility will destroy you.


            Myths to tell you are experts. This cannot be taken away from the Turks.
          3. Karen
            Karen 16 December 2019 16: 21 New
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            I’m already tired of answering every Turk ... In the 16th Serzhik handed over a safety belt, under the guise of a type, they lost in a war game ...
            The Karabakh army therefore did not fulfill its role ... Simple army men fought, not the system ...
            As for Yerevan ... Nobody believed Putin on the 2nd day ... Without his consent, yours and a meter would not dare to attack ... Yours have a fear of a Russian soldier at the genetic level ...
        2. Ramzay121
          Ramzay121 16 December 2019 16: 14 New
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          Quote: Karen
          In the war of the 90s, yours also dreamed so ...
          We will need to repel the aggression of weapons based on the presence of 10% of the enemy’s weapons in order to repeat that scenario (then we had 5%).


          The thing is, Karen, that is not the 90s now, you are still stuck there. We are yours not that 5,10. and all 100% saw in April 2016, when the Ohanyan line was torn to pieces within 18 minutes. Yes, they also saw your snot and cries, screaming for help, cry. Well, as usual, a bouquet.
    2. melkonster1974
      melkonster1974 8 December 2019 19: 07 New
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      In the first war, you thought so too. The result you know was what.
  • Sergey39
    Sergey39 14 November 2019 13: 02 New
    +4
    I wonder how he imagines a "dialogue" with the people?
    1. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 14 November 2019 13: 21 New
      -3
      "People fled without clothes, leaving everything. If you say that then everyone suffered, then this is not true. The Azerbaijani population was protected by the police, not a single Azerbaijani was injured in our country." bear the deception of the reader, the listener. Your troops are not legally (occupation) to be in the territories of Azerbaijan. Take them away, the dialogue will take place. What dialogue and what can go on if you want to consolidate the occupation?
      "We are not threatening anyone in our region. We are ready for peace." Imagine that the Germans took Belarus, Ukraine, reached the Caucasus in the south and stopped, claiming that they did not threaten anyone, were ready for peace, for dialogue with the Soviet people, but at the same time believing that their property had already been seized.
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 14 November 2019 13: 38 New
        +4
        I do not agree. First of all, you need to put up. And Azerbaijanis will repent for the pogrom in Baku.
        I do not advocate for anyone, but if you do not make peace and do not stop, then you will have a permanent conflict that the West will use.
        Remember this.
        1. Invoce
          Invoce 14 November 2019 15: 07 New
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          Armenians are eternal sufferers .... constantly suffer from neighbors (not the Christian religion) ...
          Someone may say that Jews also suffer from time immemorial ... and also from neighbors of other religions, but this is a different case .... Armenians live peacefully in their land and only wars, conflicts within countries and genocide against the nat. sign scattered them around the world ...
          And the Jews were created a state, but still this was not enough
          1. Marxal2019
            Marxal2019 14 November 2019 17: 59 New
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            Quote: Invoce
            Armenians live peacefully in their land

            Azerbaijan has Karabakh, Georgia has Javakh, Turkey has Kars, do you call this peacefully?

            Quote: Invoce
            genocide according to nat. featured

            Genocide? 1.5 million? You do not tell me where the remains of these people are buried, from 1.5 million at least 10.000 can show?

            Quote: Invoce
            And the Jews were created a state

            And what they did not create at the beginning of the 20th century? I will be glad if you teach me history. Show me at least the 1st Armenian Tsar or the state or agreement where it has been written about them over the past 100-200 years? Okay 500 ........ I look forward to it.
        2. Altai72
          Altai72 14 November 2019 15: 09 New
          +2
          The first blood, alas, was shed by the Armenians. Check out the timeline.
        3. Marxal2019
          Marxal2019 14 November 2019 17: 05 New
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          Quote: Lord of the Sith
          First of all, you need to put up.

          Why do you advise others that you yourself are not doing?
          Quote: Lord of the Sith
          And Azerbaijanis will repent for the pogrom in Baku.

          why don’t you write 1) that the instigator in Sumgayit was Eduar Grigoryan, an Armenian recruited? 2) why don’t you say what happened a couple of months before Sumgait in Armenia? Or does the life and property of Azerbaijanis not count? Read what did the Armenians do with the millions of residents of Azerbaijani nationality in Armenia before the events in Sumgait? 3) And who will apologize for 18-19 years, when the Armenians slaughtered Azerbaijanis on their own land? I ask you to read the story, not the Azerbaijani or Armenian version, but the Russian archives. Not just the same they, the Armenians do not open their archives ...
          Quote: Lord of the Sith
          which will be used by the west

          Please do not dissemble! This conflict is primarily used by Russia. A) armed contracts B) Assignment of infrastructure C) Territory from where you can control the entire Middle East. and finally D) Read the will of Peter, even Putin himself confirmed.
        4. Marxal2019
          Marxal2019 14 November 2019 17: 54 New
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          Quote: Lord of the Sith
          First of all, you need to put up.

          Why are you asking for something that you yourself are not doing? Have you reconciled in Chechnya? Yes, but only after they set their .... in Ukraine? Georgia? You see, I’m writing this not in reproach to you, but because you have to look at everything really .......... without illusions. There will be no peace, understand? When quarreling it is necessary to quarrel so that for example the place remains, but the Armenians did not leave such a place.


          Quote: Lord of the Sith
          And Azerbaijanis will repent for the pogrom in Baku.

          An interesting conclusion is drawn. And why don’t you say that the instigator and organizer of the pogroms was the Armenian Eduard Grigoryan, in the court of whom the victim (of Armenian nationality) was pointed to precisely by him. Why don’t you say that they should apologize to the Azerbaijanis for the pogroms in Armenia against the Azerbaijanis in Kafan in particular, and this was before the events of Sumgait. Why don’t you say that, Armenians should apologize for the massacre of Azerbaijanis in 18-19 years? Why do you have blind support for those who, on the main street, erect a monument to the one who killed the Soviet people ?????????? Explain it to me? In your country, they put a board of honor in the city of Armavir, the man who killed the Russian and Ukrainians and other peoples? Isn't Christian solidarity really?

          Quote: Lord of the Sith
          which will be used by the west.
          Remember this.

          Sly again. This conflict is properly used by Russia and no one else. And the Armenian genocide, the west, during the elections and when it is necessary to put on the head of Turkey. Russia took the maximum out of this conflict, and this is the territory for the base (free of charge) from which you can be on the alert and give 4 heads of the Middle East at once, the Armenians paid the entire infrastructure for debts, the army ....... Russia has billions in contracts for weapons from Azerbaijan. I ask you to write honestly !!!!
          1. Lord of the Sith
            Lord of the Sith 14 November 2019 18: 46 New
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            Sit and think about these questions that you asked me, the answer is on the surface.
      2. Lekxnumx
        Lekxnumx 14 November 2019 13: 45 New
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        "But if Nagorno-Karabakh, as you say, has internationally recognized status as Azerbaijan, then why are you still negotiating the status of these territories?"
        Pashinyan is right why Azerbaijan is negotiating on the status of Karabakh, if the international community recognizes Karabakh as Azim, including Russia. You declare an anti-terrorist operation, since there was an ethnic purge against the Az-tsevs by elements of genocide, there are no Az-tsevs there. For a month you call on the citizens of Azn-Nagorno-Karabakh of Armenian ethnicity to evacuate. Then, with a clear conscience, you begin to iron from the whole arsenal. officially Armenian troops, send a message to the CSTO .RF, Kazakhstan, Belarus, etc. A member of your military bloc has declared war on us by sending troops to N.Karabakh, RECOGNIZED BY YOU. Please ask for sanctions and stasis vit withdraw troops, with the impact of Armenia will respond back at Yerevan! To declare all Armenian citizens to be mercenaries, except for the Armenians of N. Karabakh and referring to the Montreux Convention, all mercenaries will be destroyed on the spot without taking prisoners. Aliyev Pashinyan told you what to do
        1. Butchcassidy
          Butchcassidy 14 November 2019 14: 11 New
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          Then, as King Leonid said: Molon Labe (come and take it).

          As for the genocide, it’s the usual tales of azagitprop.

          What does the Montreux Convention have to do with it?))
          1. Lekxnumx
            Lekxnumx 14 November 2019 14: 26 New
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            Quote: ButchCassidy
            What does the Montreux Convention have to do with it?))

            If you re-read in the context of the above and what was said by Pashinyan, you may understand, but although knowing you, they are tormented by great doubts.
            1. Butchcassidy
              Butchcassidy 14 November 2019 19: 34 New
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              Who is "you"? And where does the Montreux Convention establishing the status of the Bosporus and Dardanelles?

              To declare all Armenian citizens as mercenaries, except for the Armenians of N. Karabakh and referring to the Montreux Convention, all mercenaries will be destroyed on the spot without taking prisoners.


              And I understand correctly that you are inciting hatred towards the citizens of Armenia?
              1. Marxal2019
                Marxal2019 14 November 2019 19: 50 New
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                Quote: ButchCassidy
                And I understand correctly that you are inciting hatred towards the citizens of Armenia?

                You're wrong. We will never incite hatred towards anyone, let alone you and the Armenians. For we know perfectly well hu hu. And most importantly, if a monument to a Nazi who killed Soviet soldiers was erected on the central street of Yerevan, I quote his slogan "Dying for Germany means dying for Armenia" and the main thing is to heroize this person and, moreover, to put his Nazi memorial plaque in the Russian city of Armavir, I repeat in Russia to erect a monument to fascist and Nazi and to heroize it and to place an honorary memorial plaque, and despite this, all of Russia looks at it for granted, what further can you expect from your relationship?)))))))) To incite hatred?))) Please . Thank. Your relationship, even Satan will not destroy)))
                1. Butchcassidy
                  Butchcassidy 14 November 2019 19: 56 New
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                  I actually answered Lek3338.

                  What monument are you talking about?
                  1. Marxal2019
                    Marxal2019 15 November 2019 08: 00 New
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                    Quote: ButchCassidy

                    What monument are you talking about?

                    they in Yerevan erected a monument to Garegin Nzhdeh. And he was a Nazi. Nzhdeh was a fascist in the literal sense of the word, created a bandit detachment, and caused the death of a large number of people. The erection of the monument Nzhdeh in Armenia shows that they can’t find a hero for themselves. "" He fought against Turkey during the First World War in 1912-1913. After the war, he led one of the Dashnak groups that fought against Turkey. Along with this, he was involved in building an army Armenia: The Dashnak government sent Nzhdeh to Zangezur in September 1919. Under his direct supervision and on his behalf, villages of Azerbaijanis were burned, massacres were perpetrated, and survivors were driven out of their homes. The residents of Riga are also in Vedibasar and Gokce. He and his troops took part in battles with the ADR army in 1920. The books written by the Armenians themselves also noted the actions of Nzhdeh, "his active work in creating the Armenian Legion of Hitler for the withdrawal of Armenia from the Soviet Union. The installation of the monument Nzhdeh after all this shows that racism and fascism is the state policy of this state ”
                    1. Butchcassidy
                      Butchcassidy 15 November 2019 08: 31 New
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                      Yes, this is complete nonsense to everyone. In order to understand that what Nzhdeh allegedly was and did, you just need to slightly slap your paws on the keyboard, everything is easily refuted. It is enough to look at the accusations made against him in the articles of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR of 1922 imputed to him. You can read freely available extracts from his interrogation protocols to understand that Nzhdeh was no Nazi.

                      So this is just the propaganda of colleagues from Baku, which recently started to be supported by individual deputies, either being interested in the framework of "caviar diplomacy", or being misled. Rather, the second.
                    2. wmn5500
                      wmn5500 15 November 2019 09: 58 New
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                      And ... Let me ask the teaching "shop floor" whose ideology ?! Is not the author of this ultranationalist and ethnocentric ideology the same Nzhdeh ?!
                  2. Karen
                    Karen 15 November 2019 08: 31 New
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                    In the years 1918-1920. ours and yours slaughtered each other ... Nzhde for the most part deported yours, but did not cut ...
                    ----
                    As for the ties of Nzhdeh and Dro with the Germans, they, under the screen of the Armenian Legion, were engaged in rescuing Armenian prisoners of war from concentration camps ... How much can you show the actions of the Armenian Legion against the Red Army? This is not the Vlasovites ...
            2. Lekxnumx
              Lekxnumx 15 November 2019 19: 03 New
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              Quote: ButchCassidy
              Who is "you"? And what does the Montreux Convention establish the status of the Bosporus and Dardanelles?

              My jamb, I wrote after the shift, but it doesn’t change the essence, the convention on mercenaries.
              Quote: ButchCassidy
              And I understand correctly that you are inciting hatred towards the citizens of Armenia?

              Yes, it is illegal in relation to illegally located in the territory of a foreign state
              1. Butchcassidy
                Butchcassidy 18 November 2019 09: 10 New
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                My jamb, I wrote after the shift, but it doesn’t change the essence, the convention on mercenaries.


                We respect the working person and are ready to forgive a lot))
                But if you are talking about this https://www.un.org/ru/documents/decl_conv/conventions/mercen.shtml, then there are no mercenaries and cannot be in the NKR. There are no peacekeepers there. There, in addition to the Halo Trust and the Red Cross, there are no foreigners at all.

                Yes, it is illegal in relation to illegally located in the territory of a foreign state


                No, it’s illegally located in the territory of the traditional residence of the Lezghins, just the same Az. R. You are Lezgin, judging by the nickname? Well, how do you live there? As with teaching in your native language, as with signs? And by the way, are you Shiite or Sunni? Familiar Lezgin from Az. R. said that his entire family was Shiite, but he did not agree with something there for religious reasons. I did not go into details, unfortunately
                1. Lekxnumx
                  Lekxnumx 18 November 2019 13: 11 New
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                  Quote: ButchCassidy
                  No, it’s illegally located in the territory of the traditional residence of the Lezghins, just the same Az. R. You are Lezgin, judging by the nickname? Well, how do you live there? As with teaching in your native language, as with signs? And by the way, are you Shiite or Sunni? Familiar Lezgin from Az. R. said that his entire family was Shiite, but he did not agree with something there for religious reasons. I did not go into details, unfortunately

                  Yes, I live normally and teach lessons in the north and publish books in my native language, subscribed to the Lezgi historical and cultural magazine. I share the authorities of Azerbaijan and people, my attitude to the authorities is contemptuous, the opinion of the majority is negative, to put it mildly. my best friend, a pure Bakuner from abroad, I am sitting, my distant relative "Lezghin" whom I call ChIuru a spoiled Lezghin, I don’t know my native language, grew up in Baku just like I (but I know). One Agdash (officer) who when he drinks drinks considers himself Lezgin ))) Dean, a guy whom I did not know, turned out to be his wife from my mother’s village, although my visitors are Agtsekhar, there are only three such families. He, like a man who grew up in Baku, told how weddings are celebrated in Kusary for three days and three nights. There was another Az-Nets where is he from, I never asked the cultural, Russian-speaking, educated guy the genius of technology. Lezgin instructor of the air forces of the special forces of Az-na. Yes there were a lot of guys there, everyone came to see, they came leaving the backbone did not change. We started from moonshine from our parts, not the most vigorous but 60 degrees was a liter emptied. then the vodka went and went, three bottles. I am an atheist to the core and bones, we were sitting there three atheists, some guys seem to believe in something, but they drink)) One guy is Sunni silent, the second Shiite they don’t drink, they just drank fresh garnet juice, Tatar was. We sat people of different nationalities, ages, worldviews, beliefs, professions, I am among them the youngest. Who is an atheist, who is agnostic, who is Sunni, who is Shiite, Christian. There are military men, there is an accountant, locksmith, welder, technician, Ministry of Emergency Situations submarine Itshnik ,, florist, bread-baker and we all grew up in the same village n and on the outskirts of Baku. A street of this city has educated us, no matter what the limit of what’s permitted is passed; we don’t always embrace politics or religion at the end. For we are people who are surrounded by real, not contemplated ideologies. I know a lot of Lezgin Shiites, there are even more Sunni azevs. With many sat at the table and sharing bread, Baku Armenian, Tatar (we have a lot of them), Russians, Ukrainians, Lezgin, Talysh, Tat, Ayrim, Yeraz, Rutul, Avar, Az and they are different, Aran, city, Karabakh. I sat least of all with nakhkhiv Ami didn’t know anyone, and he couldn’t get acquainted)) but he never sat with the Turks, in principle. Arrogant, but I always want to quickly lower them to the ground, which I do when they try to start teaching life. However, the Kurds there are they have no concepts there, just stupidly NO some frivolous movements.
                  1. Butchcassidy
                    Butchcassidy 18 November 2019 16: 47 New
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                    Clear. Tell me, how do you support the authorities, if yours, as well as Avars and Talyshs, died about 40% in the war on the side of Baku? Despite the fact that all of you are not together and 5% of the population according to official statistics. Do not you understand that this is the genocide of your youth, your future?

                    And the mosque in Baku of the 12th century, which was Lezgi mosque all its life, is now the Ashura mosque. Do not you understand that this is a policy of your destruction? But you are the descendants of leks, an ancient people from among the peoples of Caucasian Albania! But Uzeyir Hajibeyov, what is he not Lezgin? Why did he now become an "Azerbaijani"? Who themselves have not decided who they are - Muslim, Azeri Turkler, or Azerbaijanlar?
                    You will, as Polad Bul-Bul oglu said in one of the interviews about the composer Andrei Avanesovich Babayev, this is the “Baku composer”. As if from this he would cease to be an Armenian? Uzeyir Hajibeyov is now just a "Shushi composer"? Does it suit you?

                    Can you get education in your native language, including secondary and higher? And it’s easy to say everywhere: am I Lezgin? To hold any position, saying that you are Lezgin?

                    Why do you agree with those whom you call cIap?
                  2. Lekxnumx
                    Lekxnumx 19 November 2019 00: 14 New
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                    The first paragraph about the dead is 40% nonsense, there is no such statistics. And I’m sure that there will be no proofs. About a mosque, this mosque was never Lezgin before the oil boom in Baku. On it is the inscription Ashur Ibrahim oglu. Uzeyir Hajibeyov is there one mention of it? Personal, anyone can be born. Who did he consider himself an az-ceme? If so, then the rest is his problem, he lived recently. Yes, you can get a secondary education, during the globalization you got higher and in Az but you don’t know English, you NEVER speak about Lezgi. I calmly speak Lezgin everywhere and get any job nationality always wrote in the CV, in the column. And my interviews are usually successful, I'm an expert in my field. Yes, the new mayor of Baku, Lezgin, with his accent and fool is clearly Lezgin.
                  3. Butchcassidy
                    Butchcassidy 19 November 2019 10: 21 New
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                    I mean there is no such statistics? You're kidding, my friend. People on whose side remained dying? These statistics are not Baku, but Yerevan and Stepanakert.

                    Well, it’s not the Armenians in Kusary who came with the war, but vice versa. Do you think that documents, military tickets, etc., did not fall into the hands of the Armenian military? those who really came up with weapons in their hands?

                    Analysts in Armenia have long written that losing Baku won anyway, because displaced the internal ethnic balance not only by dearmenizing the region, but also getting rid of a significant part of indigenous peoples that were already so few.

                    As for Lezgi mosque - do you yourself believe in what you say? The people in whose language "sew" and "build" is one word, in the 12th century. built mosques? Are you kidding? And even if it was so that before the oil boom, which is already 100 years old, it was not called Lezgi Mosque - do 100 years of the history of your people cost you nothing?

                    PS I'm glad that everything is fine in Az. R. and that the new mayor of Baku is Lezgin. I hope the rest of the Lezgins are doing well too.
  • Marxal2019
    Marxal2019 14 November 2019 18: 08 New
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    Quote: Lek3338
    Pashinyan is right why Azerbaijan is negotiating on the status of Karabakh, if the international community recognizes Karabakh as Azim, including Russia.

    Most of all, the war between Armenia and Azerbaijan is not profitable. No one can start a full-scale war in Karabakh without the green light from the Kremlin. It is a fact. For if there is a war, the Kremlin will have to make a choice ... as indicated here or will receive pro-American Armenia or Azerbaijan. If Russia does not defend Armenia, then Russia will leave Armenia, which means the loss of the southern Caucasus and all strategic tasks. Therefore, there should be a conflict (due to economic reasons), but the conflict should smolder and not burn !!!
    1. Butchcassidy
      Butchcassidy 18 November 2019 09: 20 New
      +1
      This is nonsense. In 2016, when they decided to shoot in Baku, what approval did the Kremlin receive? That's bullshit.

      Russia does not intend to go anywhere. And the United States knows this, not without reason that on Ararat they have so many observing military installations in the direction of Armenia, that it glows like a Christmas tree at night.

      When in 2016 Baku started bombing the border villages of the Tavush region of Armenia, Moscow through the CSTO reacted unambiguously, condemning the aggression, but underlining that there were no requests for help. Finding a Russian base in Armenia has only one goal for Moscow and Yerevan - Turkey. The capacities available there are enough so that a fly does not fly over the territory of Turkey until Ankara. Russia pushes the potential front from the North Caucasus, Armenia receives a blockade of Turkey’s entry into an open military confrontation on the side of Az. R.

      So, Karabakh has nothing to do with it directly, Yerevan and Stepanakert independently cope with their troubled eastern neighbor.
  • Civil
    Civil 14 November 2019 13: 53 New
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    Peace between Caucasians ... this is not real. There common sense rests on unjustified ambitions. Armenia is a relatively Europeanized semi-democracy, and Azerbaijan is a classical eastern despot. And there are no prerequisites for dialogue.
    1. Altai72
      Altai72 14 November 2019 15: 15 New
      +3
      Have you ever visited these two countries? Your "relatively Europeanized" Armenia is a completely mono-ethnic state. No schools, no universities, no TV, no press in Russian. But in the situation with Azerbaijan, everything is completely opposite.
      1. Butchcassidy
        Butchcassidy 18 November 2019 09: 23 New
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        You smoke something, my friend, there are many schools in Russian in Armenia, including in the Russian Molokan villages of Violetovo and Lermontovo, or in Yerevan itself, for example, the school named after A. S. Pushkin (considered elite).

        at the Russian-Armenian (Slavic) University and the CSTO Military Academy all education in Russian.

        So you drive something and colleagues on IN deliberately mislead.
    2. Marxal2019
      Marxal2019 14 November 2019 17: 37 New
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      Quote: Civil
      Peace between Caucasians ... this is not real.

      Wait a minute. Azerbaijan is a multicultural country. More than 20 nations live in Azerbaijan in peace and harmony. You probably wanted to say no one will have peace with the Armenians. Because it is they who have land claims against all neighbors.

      Quote: Civil
      Armenia is a relatively Europeanized semi-democracy, and Azerbaijan is a classical eastern despot.

      :)))))) You obviously do not know anything about Azerbaijan .......
  • Marxal2019
    Marxal2019 14 November 2019 16: 52 New
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    Quote: Thrall
    Is the Armenian people ready?

    For profit, they can make friends with the devil. Proven stage.
    1. melkonster1974
      melkonster1974 8 December 2019 19: 22 New
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      To be friends for the benefit of the devil is your prerogative. You’ll even call him the owner, if only you don’t get yours off the neighbors. Proven stage.
  • knn54
    knn54 14 November 2019 13: 09 New
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    Aliyev, I think, is also ready for negotiations with ... Nagorno-Karabakh ..
  • rocket757
    rocket757 14 November 2019 13: 09 New
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    For everyone who wants to crawl under the wing of a "big brother" because of a curse, difficult / strange times have come.
    To do anything and everything at his command, they may begin to fear .....
    Let's see, in short.
  • Paul Siebert
    Paul Siebert 14 November 2019 13: 56 New
    +3
    All the peoples of the former USSR have one hope for the cessation of strife and bloodshed.
    This is the revival of our Great State!
    Countries where peoples will live in friendship and mutual respect!
    It’s not long to wait ...
    1. Pessimist22
      Pessimist22 14 November 2019 14: 14 New
      +2
      Pasha, is everything okay with you?
    2. alexmach
      alexmach 14 November 2019 16: 56 New
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      This can only be answered with a quote from Putin.
    3. Marxal2019
      Marxal2019 14 November 2019 17: 39 New
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      Quote: Paul Siebert
      It’s not long to wait ...

      I really doubt. Could you list the countries that want this?
      1. Paul Siebert
        Paul Siebert 14 November 2019 18: 28 New
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        It doesn’t matter who wants it! It is important that we Russians understand the need to reunite our torn nation. Protect yourself and our children from the predators of this world.
        Stop the situation of collapse, eradicate the very possibility of the disappearance of our country and our people, the number of which is much larger than the Russians living in Russia ...
        1. Marxal2019
          Marxal2019 14 November 2019 18: 34 New
          +1
          Quote: Paul Siebert
          It doesn’t matter who wants it!

          It’s just that you wrote what many people want ........ I therefore asked who exactly wants it. I just can’t understand one thing, who is to blame and whom you blame for the disruption of the nation, from whom you want to protect your children ..............
  • Invoce
    Invoce 14 November 2019 14: 59 New
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    Now I offer a dialogue. You know how opponents in Armenia criticize me for this - they criticize me for offering an honest conversation to resolve the Karabakh conflict. I am talking about the need to negotiate and work out a solution that will be acceptable to Armenia, Azerbaijan and Nagorno-Karabakh itself.

    Well done president! I did not even expect this! Respect good
    1. Altai72
      Altai72 14 November 2019 16: 38 New
      +1
      So he is not the president, but the prime minister. And his opponents criticize him for being Sorosovsky. In Armenia itself, the outflow is annual at 3-5%, by whom are they going to populate someone else's Karabakh? It will explode soon, then it will be too late to paint the walls. The minus one is certainly right here, but the reality does not change from this. Syria, Ukraine, and Karabakh in the foreseeable future. Do any of you need this? It’s not necessary just to swing it with urapatriotism. All these funds must be sent inland, and there you look and "under the wing" someone will be asked. So much for hegemony!
    2. Marxal2019
      Marxal2019 14 November 2019 17: 40 New
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      Quote: Invoce
      Well done president! I did not even expect this! Respect

      Alas, you didn’t understand anything in this conflict. He talks about negotiations, but Karabakh says this is Armenia. And you are already applauding)))) Yes, and in this conflict he does not solve much.
  • Altai72
    Altai72 14 November 2019 15: 20 New
    +1
    Quote: krot
    I think neither Azerbaijanis nor Armenians want to fight. But the Anglo-Saxons will always add fuel to the fire. Perhaps not with their own hands, but for example through the Turks ..

    In this case, let's stand aside, and we and the Turks. Let them decide between themselves. We recognize Karabakh for Azerbaijan. Maybe not, maybe I'm not in the know? Yes, and Karabakh like the CSTO does not apply.
    1. Butchcassidy
      Butchcassidy 18 November 2019 09: 26 New
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      What is wrong with CSTO and Stepanakert now? Where do you propose Russia to move forward, saying "stand aside"?
  • Altai72
    Altai72 14 November 2019 15: 30 New
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    We will support the 3 millionth pro-American Armenia, we will receive the 10 millionth pro-American Azerbaijan. In terms of population, Azerbaijan is on a par with Belarus.
    1. Spike Javelin Touvich
      Spike Javelin Touvich 14 November 2019 16: 00 New
      -1
      not quite so, population growth will soon be zero.
      Annual Growth Rate CIA 0,83 is, in 4 times less than in Tajikistan


      link
      https://www.cia.gov/LIBRARY/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/344.html#AJ
  • mavrus
    mavrus 14 November 2019 16: 24 New
    -1
    How to tear the Soviet Union like that. So just come on ... And as soon as any region sends them to hell, it is "illegal". "Internationally recognized" ...
    So admit and you will be "happy."
    The USSR was also illegally divided, although the procedure for "collapse" was prescribed in the constitution, but because they were in a hurry they were limited to "Belovezhsky conspiracy." And the vezmir accepted with a bang. Now what is stopping us from reconsidering the borders "drawn by Stalin on the map by hand?"
  • Altai72
    Altai72 14 November 2019 16: 47 New
    +2
    By the way, upset Pashinyan. US Senate rejected recent Armenian Genocide resolution. crept quietly, Senator Lindsey Graham blocked the Senate resolution. This was announced by the head of the Senate Legal Committee after a meeting with Erdogan in the White House.
    1. Marxal2019
      Marxal2019 14 November 2019 17: 43 New
      +2
      Quote: Altai72
      By the way, upset Pashinyan. US Senate rejected recent Armenian Genocide resolution.

      I would be in the place of the Armenians, I would have spat in the direction of the United States. They do not understand that, with the bones of their ancestors they gamble. This is worse than using a person.
    2. Butchcassidy
      Butchcassidy 22 November 2019 08: 16 New
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      Where did the quotation marks come from regarding the Armenian Genocide?
  • Altai72
    Altai72 14 November 2019 16: 49 New
    +1
    Quote: Altai72
    We will support the 3 millionth pro-American Armenia, we will receive the 10 millionth pro-American Azerbaijan. In terms of population, Azerbaijan is on a par with Belarus.

    That's it, I did not like it)) Well, well, minus further wink
  • Fon elia
    Fon elia 14 November 2019 17: 03 New
    0
    These are all words. Time plays on Armenia. Only the king-father Vova decides what the scenario will be.
    1. Marxal2019
      Marxal2019 14 November 2019 18: 01 New
      -1
      Quote: Fon Elia
      Time plays on Armenia.

      I don’t think so. This conflict greatly affects their economies as well as their reputation.

      Quote: Fon Elia
      Only the king-father Vova decides what the scenario will be.

      I agree.
  • Altai72
    Altai72 14 November 2019 17: 20 New
    +1
    Quote: Fon Elia
    Time plays on Armenia

    How??? Aside from regional projects, a demographic catastrophe, an ongoing outflow of the population, economic collapse, a low standard of living, all kinds of animosity and hostility to all neighbors, trying to sit on two chairs, appropriating everything and everyone, megalomania, etc., etc. .P.
    So how does time play for her?)) What does it shine for her between 80 million Turks, 10 million Azerbaijanis and 35 million Iranians from Iran on three sides? I am silent about Georgia in general, Armenians and Georgian lands claim to Javakhetia. How will they get out? Armenia and I don’t even have a border. Our base there specifically remained hostage. They are generally not perceived as Caucasians. And they themselves say that they are Ari (!), And not Caucasians. Does mother mother need to shed blood for the big ambitions of little Armenia? So let's then butt with everyone because of her)) Minus members, do not sleep wink
    1. Karen
      Karen 14 November 2019 18: 08 New
      -2
      Quote: Altai72
      I am silent about Georgia in general, Armenians and Georgian lands claim to Javakhetia.

      It would be better to really be silent ...
      There is creeping Turkization along the railway to Turkey throughout Georgia ... with the aim of ethnically blocking the Georgian-Armenian connection ...
      By the way, this activity continues further, already along the Kars-Nakhijevan line ...
      1. Marxal2019
        Marxal2019 14 November 2019 18: 18 New
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        Quote: Karen
        By the way, this activity continues further, already along the Kars-Nakhijevan line ...

        and what do you have against the Turkization of Nakhichevan? For centuries, Turkic peoples have lived there (most) It’s not for you Armenians to decide who lives on my land and who doesn’t. You will first learn to live with yourself and not migrate to your homeland California and France and then speak ........
        1. Karen
          Karen 14 November 2019 18: 24 New
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          I actually meant the territory of Turkey bordering Armenia ...
          As for Nakhijevan ...
          Quote: Marxal2019
          and what do you have against the Turkization of Nakhichevan? For centuries, Turkic peoples have lived there (most)

          There are detailed reports from those regions serving from the Vatican for hundreds of years ... There is a lot of information about the percentage ...
          1. Marxal2019
            Marxal2019 14 November 2019 18: 42 New
            -2
            Facts in the studio. I don’t believe Armenian words anymore.
            1. Karen
              Karen 14 November 2019 18: 58 New
              -1
              Facts in the Vatican library ... Our cited ...
              Yours will be able too :)
              1. Marxal2019
                Marxal2019 14 November 2019 19: 53 New
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                Karen, please me from such riddles) There are facts in the studio .. Only internationally recognized and it is advisable that the author is not your fellow countryman) And then one here writes such a mother Do not Cry. Leonardo Davinci is an Armenian, Jesus is an Armenian, the Armenian method of hanging clothes. In short, the radio))) I ask only for documents)
                1. Karen
                  Karen 14 November 2019 19: 59 New
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                  I have not documented the facts ... I will be in the Vatican - there I will be allowed to go to the library by familiar Catholics, and they will give translators ...
                  1. Marxal2019
                    Marxal2019 15 November 2019 08: 02 New
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                    Karen, you say that you haven’t seen and say that it’s true.
            2. melkonster1974
              melkonster1974 8 December 2019 19: 34 New
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              Especially believe your Azerbaijani words, do not respect yourself. And your disbelief in our words, we somehow do not care much
          2. Altai72
            Altai72 14 November 2019 19: 45 New
            -1
            Again the Vatican?))) Nakhchivan is 5000 years old, and this is the only place that Timur could not conquer, despite the 14-year siege.
            1. Karen
              Karen 14 November 2019 20: 01 New
              -1
              Quote: Altai72
              Again the Vatican?))) Nakhchivan is 5000 years old, and this is the only place that Timur could not conquer, despite the 14-year siege.

              This is where such tales come from? Timur was omnipotent ...
              1. Altai72
                Altai72 14 November 2019 20: 13 New
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                And for you, everything except your fictional story is a fairy tale?)) Have you watched a video on the net about a drunken Armenian who pretends to be cops that the Armenians created Russia, gave us Christianity, cured three heroes and all sorts of nonsense? No? Punch and see. And about Nakhichevan, which survived the siege of Timur and Miranshah, you do not know yes?))) Change the library.
                1. Karen
                  Karen 15 November 2019 18: 53 New
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                  Quote: Altai72
                  And about Nakhichevan, which survived the siege of Timur and Miranshah, you do not know yes?))) Change the library.

                  Remember the story of the "elusive" Joe? Probably the same thing happened according to Nakhichevan ... Timur Ottomans wanted to break, which he did ...
        2. melkonster1974
          melkonster1974 8 December 2019 19: 32 New
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          Armenians have lived there for centuries, and not you. So it's up to us to decide.
    2. Marxal2019
      Marxal2019 14 November 2019 18: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: Altai72
      How???

      I put a plus. You have clearly noted everything. nothing to add. love to read healthy comments
  • wmn5500
    wmn5500 14 November 2019 18: 34 New
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    I allow myself to copy my post addressed to the Armenian user from another discussion site. Here I explain the Sumgayit events.
    “My version is based on the logical construction of“ Look for someone to profit. ”But it was only beneficial for the Armenian side! Tell me why? I will answer; to justify the separation of the territory of Karabakh in favor of Armenia! And what is the best justification for territorial issues? The best justification for territorial issues of course blood! And how to get blood? But how; it is to create a part of the population that hates another ethnic group, for this it is not necessary to massively drive out the hostile population, just create a small critical charged group. For this, Azerbaijanis began to expel Azerbaijanis from Armenia in November 1987. Not in large numbers, but as much as possible infringed. So we got the result! "
    Let me remind you that the first refugees from Armenia of Azerbaijani nationality began to arrive in Sumgait in November 1987. And the events in Sumgait took place on February 26, 1988.
    1. Karen
      Karen 14 November 2019 18: 40 New
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      Vugar, good evening!
      And I repeat ... Along the railway to Nakhichevan, and then creeping Turkization was cited ... Your success completely lost your head, became excessively aggressive ... that so many of ours in Kafan could no longer bear the spirit ...
      1. wmn5500
        wmn5500 14 November 2019 18: 55 New
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        And I repeat ... Along the railway to Nakhichevan, and then creeping Turkization was cited ... Your success completely lost your head, became excessively aggressive ... that so many of ours in Kafan could no longer bear the spirit ...

        Good evening Karen! I haven’t written here for a long time;
        Well, from this we should start with these words “that so many of ours in Kafan no longer took into the spirit ...” That is, the Armenians all the same began the exile, and they also initiated the conflict in Karabakh. As for Turkization, let me remind you that the same territory was once subjected to brutal deturization with ethnic cleansing and extermination. Do not remember anywhere ?!
        1. Karen
          Karen 14 November 2019 19: 14 New
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          Quote: wmn5500
          Do not remember anywhere ?!

          I do not forget him :)
          ______
          I know not only about Kapan ... But ours didn’t kill yours there, but they only gave us on the head so that they wouldn’t become impudent ...
          Turkization took place everywhere with us ... My sidekick was in the commission that checked the Turkic new settlements on our border, on the instructions of K. Demirchyan ... He says they came to such annexed good territory, and they told the newcomers to return to their place - for the inter-republican the border ... Well, noise and din, they don’t want to ... Koresh says: then one khanum raised her hand - and ordered her to return to her republican lands ...
          _____
          About Edik Grigoryan ... Did this clown solve something?
          Six months before Sumgait, Heydar Aliyev told his personal tailor (Armenian): "Leave here with your family: something is up to, even I don’t know the scale ..."
          1. wmn5500
            wmn5500 14 November 2019 19: 19 New
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            You do not quite understand Karen! I mean the events of 1918-20. Then the Azerbaijani (Turkic) population of this region greatly decreased as a result of the activity of the same Nzhdeh. And as for the sidekick, I’ll say that now so much is said that there is no faith for anyone, especially among interested parties. Therefore, we take only the facts and link them in a chronological order into a logical chain.
            1. Karen
              Karen 14 November 2019 19: 22 New
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              Quote: wmn5500
              You do not quite understand Karen! I mean the events of 1918-20. Then the Azerbaijani (Turkic) population of this region greatly decreased as a result of the activity of the same Nzhdeh

              I realized this ... There was a war of mutual annihilation, and, as I know, military luck was more with yours ...
              1. wmn5500
                wmn5500 14 November 2019 19: 38 New
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                Not really! Zangezur still remained with the Armenians. Probably it was then that it was necessary to resolve all our claims to each other, but now our peoples have become leverage of various centers. Then I think it was easier!
                1. Karen
                  Karen 14 November 2019 19: 55 New
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                  Quote: wmn5500
                  Not really! Zangezur still remained with the Armenians. Probably it was then that it was necessary to resolve all our claims to each other, but now our peoples have become leverage of various centers. Then I think it was easier!

                  So the conversation was about Nakhichevan ...
                  And Zangezur - this is the dedication of Nzhdeh ...

                  By the way, read the instructions of your Kara-Karaev? There he called on yours to kill the Russian and blame the Armenians for this ...
                  ____
                  And even then, you and I turned other countries for our own purposes ...
                  1. wmn5500
                    wmn5500 14 November 2019 20: 23 New
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                    By the way, read the instructions of your Kara-Karaev? There he called on yours to kill the Russian and blame the Armenians for this.

                    But this is interesting! What kind of Kara-Karaev do you mean, composer ?!
                    Here it is: Kara Abulfaz oglu Karaev (azerb. Qara Əbülfəz oğlu Qarayev; 1918-1982) - Soviet Azerbaijani composer, teacher and public figure, professor.
                    1. Karen
                      Karen 14 November 2019 20: 27 New
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                      No, I'm talking about a member of the Revolutionary War Council of Kara-Karaev ... In Karabakh, I noted that "Sovietization."
                      1. wmn5500
                        wmn5500 14 November 2019 20: 29 New
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                        Karen! Nevertheless, this is the first time I hear about this, but I can share the source.
                      2. Karen
                        Karen 14 November 2019 21: 03 New
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                        Vugar, I read all this in the 88th ...
                        Now I’m taking stock of my library :) the third month already :) it’s hard to get :)
                        If I find it, I’ll send a scan ... But I’m sure that the Internet will be about him and his instructions, how states are built ...
                      3. wmn5500
                        wmn5500 14 November 2019 21: 06 New
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                        Without sarcasm, I absolutely sincerely say; I hear it for the first time!!! Set the scan will be grateful.
      2. Marxal2019
        Marxal2019 14 November 2019 19: 58 New
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        Quote: Karen
        Not only about Kapan I know ... But there ours didn’t kill yours

        Again, you are not writing the truth.

        in Armenia on the day of remembrance of the victims of the so-called “Armenian genocide” - on April 24, 1983, a powerful alarm sounded, a harbinger of future tragic events. The fact is that since 1965, at the request of the Armenian side, the allied leadership approved the holding of events on the occasion of the “Armenian genocide” on April 24. Since then, rallies-processions were held every year, which often resulted in riots and attacks on the Azerbaijani population of Armenia. On this day, April 24, 1983, in the center of the Masis (Zangibasar) district, Armenian extremists broke into an Azerbaijani wedding (during the wedding of the son of Karim and Sona Kafarov) and carried out the massacre. Protesting Armenians of the Masis district broke into the bride’s house and seriously injured 4 people, dozens were injured. (Senuber Saralli, “Genocide. Annotation of the districts. List of dead and brutally killed in Western Azerbaijan in 1987-1992”). After that, the affected Azerbaijanis filed numerous complaints that were not accepted by local authorities. Outraged by lawlessness, the victims were forced to turn to the central allied authorities. As a result, all the same, no criminal proceedings were instituted against the guilty of this crime.

        “On the same day, April 24, 1983, the Azerbaijani cemetery was defeated. Azerbaijanis, in protest of this act of Armenian vandalism, gathered on the Turkish border and held a rally demanding to go to Turkey.

        As we see, the expulsion of Azerbaijanis from the Armenian SSR began long before the start of the Karabakh conflict and before the events in Sumgayit.
        1. Karen
          Karen 14 November 2019 20: 10 New
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          The expulsion of Armenians from the Azerbaijan SSR has always been ... long before the well-known events ...
          1. wmn5500
            wmn5500 14 November 2019 20: 27 New
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            Karen! Well, how so ?! According to your words, Armenians were expelled from the Azerbaijan SSR. But they settled in a considerable amount in Sumgait ?! Attention Sumgait was founded in 1949. Does not fit !!!
            1. Karen
              Karen 14 November 2019 20: 58 New
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              About expulsions - the manifestation of how Armenians were expelled from the village of marshals is the most striking manifestation ...
              Sumgait ... Yes, the Union needed this chemical industry ...
              1. wmn5500
                wmn5500 14 November 2019 21: 04 New
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                Chardakhly or what? And when did this happen? The union needed to say, but what about the Armenians? They, Armenians, massively settled not only there but also in Baku and other cities. Ali bayramly for example. We will find so many exceptions to this “exile” that it will turn out that it was not an exile at all, but rather a settlement by Armenians. So please, Karen, don't be fooled by propaganda.
                1. Karen
                  Karen 14 November 2019 21: 17 New
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                  Quote: wmn5500
                  Chardakhly or what? And when did this happen?

                  Vugar, I read it all 30 years ago ... Surely it will be on the Internet ...
                  Quote: wmn5500
                  The union needed to say, but what about the Armenians?

                  So expelling from compact places of residence, we at the same time received both resettlement and dissolution - in the construction of Sumgait, Baku ...
                  1. wmn5500
                    wmn5500 14 November 2019 21: 28 New
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                    That's how! Well then, it turns out they did not expel, but there was an internal resettlement inside the Azerbaijan SSR, moreover, from rural conditions to urban conditions for more comfortable conditions! I would not call such actions exile! It was rather an improvement in living conditions! But here I would like to recall the resettlement of the Azerbaijani population from the Arm.SSR to the Az.SSR in 1948-50. Moreover, from more fertile conditions in the Kura-Araksin lowland, it’s actually a desert. But what about this fact ?!
                  2. Karen
                    Karen 14 November 2019 21: 31 New
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                    Stalin ... Apparently, he realized his vile essence on the Armenian issue in the 20s ...
                  3. wmn5500
                    wmn5500 14 November 2019 21: 33 New
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                    Well, I don’t know about Stalin! Assessment of its activities may be different. But as it turns out, the expulsion of Armenians from the Azerbaijan SSR is not confirmed by facts.
                  4. Karen
                    Karen 14 November 2019 21: 35 New
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                    I noted ... After resettlement - it turns out in one fell swoop ... As they saw in Sumgait and Baku ...
                  5. wmn5500
                    wmn5500 14 November 2019 21: 40 New
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                    Above, I have already given my thoughts on Sumgait. This "in one fell swoop" was beneficial to the Armenian side. In this way, Armenian ideologists sacrificed the Armenians of Sumgait and Baku for the sake of tearing Karabakh in favor of Armenia! So the Armenian population was just pawns in the game of these grandmasters!
                  6. Karen
                    Karen 14 November 2019 21: 46 New
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                    There was no Armenian ideology ... Both K. Demirchyan and Catholicos Vazgen opposed the Karabakh movement ... This people of the NKAR opposed oppression ... Well, it started ...
                  7. wmn5500
                    wmn5500 14 November 2019 21: 54 New
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                    You and I have already discussed this. There was no oppression! This is a late invention of propagandists to somehow justify the actions of the Armenian side. I say again above, I have given my thoughts on this issue. It’s not like a spontaneous performance! There is a well-thought-out policy. Well, Demirchyan and Vazgen could not say anything else at that time. Here the main thing is not what they said but what they did! In addition, until 1988 there were attempts to tear off Karabakh. In general, the ideology of the Armenians today is based on the ideology deduced by the same Nzhdeh, "shop-chronism" is called! This ultranationalist ideology is essentially racism and Nazism! Not for nothing you honor him so!
                  8. Karen
                    Karen 14 November 2019 22: 16 New
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                    Quote: wmn5500
                    Well, Demirchyan and Vazgen could not say anything else at that time. Here the main thing is not what they said but what they did!

                    Demirchyan really did nothing for the Karabakh movement, and greatly interfered with this ... Our KGB officers also interfered with this ... Somehow I also had to give a kick to the serviceman from the run that he was breaking leaflets ... He ran away, realizing that may run into more ...
                    I repeat: it’s the people who woke up ... We must also take into account that in the Arm.SSR there lived thousands of three hundred who moved from the NKAR from the Turkic state ...
                  9. wmn5500
                    wmn5500 14 November 2019 22: 27 New
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                    Karen! How many times to speak! There was no persecution! Did not have!!! Is it in the conditions of the USSR with its draconian laws on the issue of friendship of peoples "persecution" on a national basis ?! Yes, even in such massive quantities ?! Well, I asked you do not need propaganda. I remember very well how they drove us to patrol the streets, God forbid what happens to some kind of Armenian. Well, what kind of persecution are you talking about ?!
                    But on the “people woke up”, I would say the people were fooled by the Armenian ideology of “shop-chronism” and the subsequent “taronism”, which was stuffed every time in honor of the day of “genocide”. You understand that you are going with a similar ideology to death! Do not force me to put forward the main points of your ideology here. It clearly shows that aggressive expansionism has been introduced into your consciousness. According to your ideology, we Azerbaijanis have no right to life at all! Keep in mind I read all this and I know !!!
                  10. Karen
                    Karen 14 November 2019 22: 40 New
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                    As to whether or not there was persecution - here everyone will remain with their opinion ...
                    As for our ideology - to be honest, I have not heard about "taronism" ...
                    As for the "Azerbaijanis in general" - I have my opinion, I haven’t absorbed it into anyone’s consciousness ... It is as follows: there is no such people ... The name does not belong to the Turks ... There are Turks in the territory of historical Azerbaijan who grind the autochthons .. .
                  11. wmn5500
                    wmn5500 14 November 2019 23: 37 New
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                    Well, Karen! You yourself said everything! Q.E.D!!! We are none, we are nobody, and we, being nobody, “grind” autochthon. Well, what else is there to talk about ?! And what dialogue is your prime minister ready to have with us? We are not here! I know very well that at the moment this is the dominant point of view in Armenia about our cause! So whatever you say, your Pashinyan is simply a hypocrite and a liar! Who is he going to dialogue with ?!
                    And about the "taronism" read there is such a development of ideology Nzhdeh.
                  12. Karen
                    Karen 15 November 2019 06: 43 New
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                    Pashinyan is simply a hypocrite and a liar! Who is he going to dialogue with ?!

                    Vugar, do not scatter these words ... Pashinyan has something to say to the Turkic people on the lands of historical Azerbaijan ... And I hope there will be such a meeting, and you will hear his point of view (I am also not familiar with it, and I will also be interested to know )
                    As for the teachings of Tsekhakron, he is being intensively studied, more than ours, by your opponents of tomorrow - Lezgins-Dagestanis and true Talyshs ...
                    In my view, what I read from Nade is a survival strategy for a small nation ...
                  13. wmn5500
                    wmn5500 15 November 2019 09: 36 New
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                    Vugar, do not scatter these words ... Pashinyan has something to say to the Turkic people on the lands of historical Azerbaijan ... And I hope there will be such a meeting, and you will hear his point of view (I am also not familiar with it, and I will also be interested to know )

                    I’m also very interested in what the leader of the people in whom the belief that we do not exist can say.
                    As for the teachings of Tsekhakron, he is being intensively studied, more than ours, by your opponents of tomorrow - Lezgins-Dagestanis and true Talyshs ...

                    That’s your misconception! Karen! I'm not crazy to be my own opponent. In Armenia, it doesn’t reach you that we are the Lezgins Talyshs and Turks. I personally have the roots of all the ethnic groups you mentioned. We all as a whole make up the multi-ethnic and multi-cultural people of Azerbaijanis. You persistently do not want to understand this.
                    In my view, what I read from Nade is a survival strategy for a small nation ...

                    With a cult of power, kind and superman ?! You apparently are not familiar with the teachings of the Nazis, everything is the same there!
                  14. Karen
                    Karen 15 November 2019 12: 13 New
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                    Quote: wmn5500
                    That’s your misconception! Karen! I'm not crazy to be my own opponent. In Armenia, it doesn’t reach you that we are the Lezgins Talyshs and Turks. I personally have the roots of all the ethnic groups you mentioned.

                    That's why I emphasized that true Talysh ... And not assimilated by the Turks ... And I spoke about the Lezgins of the Dagestanis, and not your Lezgins, who are for us what the Turks, that is, the enemy ..
                  15. Marxal2019
                    Marxal2019 15 November 2019 13: 39 New
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                    Quote: Karen
                    and not your Lezgins, who are for us what the Turk, that is, the enemy ..

                    You have a sick ideology. Since the Turk, then the enemy! Although I am not surprised
                  16. Karen
                    Karen 15 November 2019 14: 12 New
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                    Quote: Marxal2019
                    . Since the Turk, then the enemy! Although I am not surprised

                    So, after all, a Turk is mobilized into an army against us ... Historically ...
                  17. Marxal2019
                    Marxal2019 15 November 2019 17: 44 New
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                    Quote: Karen
                    after all, the Turk is mobilized into an army against us ... Historically ..

                    Karen, do you count how many diplomats and ministers of Armenians were in the Ottoman Empire? You never asked yourself the question, why is there nothing wrong with that? Why should the enemies be when the Armenians in the Ottoman Empire both retained their fame and faith and no one found fault, and why was the conflict in the north-east and not throughout Turkey since it was genocide or hostility? And the Armenians who lived in other regions, both lived and live ......... Why did they become enemies? They are not infected with the virus anti-Armenian?
                  18. Karen
                    Karen 15 November 2019 17: 48 New
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                    The genocide began precisely with the annihilation of the intelligentsia of Constantinople Armenians - so that there would be no one to lead the Armenians ...
            2. wmn5500
              wmn5500 15 November 2019 16: 39 New
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              Karen! The vast majority are assimilated. How are you going to share them. In your opinion, it turns out that if among my ancestors there were not only Talysh and Lezghins but also Türks, then all of me now have no right to the heritage of my ancestors? This type is not the purity of the race ?! Karen, you imagine that almost all the peoples of mankind assimilated various ethnic groups in themselves. There are no pure ethnic groups! Including you Armenians, you once assimilated several different ethnic groups.
            3. Karen
              Karen 15 November 2019 17: 04 New
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              For me, Lezgins are those from this ethnic group who remember that the Turks of Timur slaughtered their ancestors and threw them into the river to organize a crossing ... Not those of Lezgins who will fight against us under the flag of Pan-Turkism ...
            4. wmn5500
              wmn5500 15 November 2019 17: 10 New
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              In general, as I understand it, if the indigenous ethnic group or its representative is not a Turkophobe or a Turk-hater, then he is not real ?! And, accordingly, is the enemy ?! It turns out that you personally promote racism and ethnic hatred !!!
              Why are you doing this ?!
            5. Karen
              Karen 15 November 2019 17: 13 New
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              I have already explained the essence ... The one from another ethnic group who will fight tomorrow under the flag of Pan-Turkism against us - today I am already entering the camp of the enemy ...
            6. wmn5500
              wmn5500 15 November 2019 17: 36 New
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              Strange Karen, do you think that you can’t fight against you? Do not create an enemy for yourself, do not conduct territorial expansion, do not conduct defamatory propaganda! And you will have no desire to fight with anyone, under any flag.
            7. Karen
              Karen 15 November 2019 17: 43 New
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              We should save our own and return our own ...
              Pan-Turkism will not disappear anywhere, so we will always have enemies ... Still, Vugar, look on the Internet for that Kara-Karayev from the PBC that was noted during the Sovietization in Karabakh ... It’s his instructions on how to create your own order ... Nothing has changed since then and will not change in the thinking of the Turk ...
            8. wmn5500
              wmn5500 15 November 2019 17: 52 New
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              That's it! Karen, under the slogan of his return and the whole problem lies. You suddenly began to believe that it is necessary to recreate a state that once existed in the ancient period, and within the same borders! And the fact that these territories have been occupied by other peoples for 1000 years, you do not see any obstacles. They came up with a good slogan, let them get where they came from. Great !!! The fact that these alleged aliens have long been mixed with local ethnic groups, you do not pay attention. So get the enemies! And Pan-Turkism didn’t run past here at all !!!
      3. Marxal2019
        Marxal2019 15 November 2019 17: 56 New
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        Quote: wmn5500
        It turns out that you personally promote racism and ethnic hatred !!!

        Not just him. It is laid in childhood. Turker means an enemy. And you can live on their lands, have their names, sing their songs, eat their dishes!

        Quote: wmn5500
        Why are you doing this ?!

        Kuznetsov, Russian political scientist. I quote: According to the georization of individuals, we can understand what a nation is. Melko Melkoyan (Arabo), Gagerin Njeh (Nazi), Sasunyan (Assassin of the Turkish consul and many others. All killers. The army is one thing and these are different people. A nation that has more than 30 territorial groups. What do you expect from them?
    2. Marxal2019
      Marxal2019 15 November 2019 17: 50 New
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      Quote: Karen
      For me, Lezgins are those from this ethnic group who remember that the Turks of Timur slaughtered their ancestors

      I see you have barbaric concepts. Say my salesman killed someone, and they punish me for his act. So where did Christian obsession go? Do not kill ?? What kind of world can go between us, if you constantly, every fraction of a second, hate us. That’s why it’s funny for me when your minister is hypocritical about the world ...... I’m sure if we make peace, after a certain time you will again arrange Khojaly. Only this time it will not work. 2 TIMES we forgave you ... 3 times will not be. Therefore, do not be surprised that there will be no peace with you !!!! Do not ask for what you yourself do not give
    3. Karen
      Karen 15 November 2019 17: 54 New
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      Quote: Marxal2019
      Therefore, do not be surprised that there will be no peace with you !!!! Do not ask for what you yourself do not give

      With a Turk, peace is impossible for Armenians - we interfere with our presence in pan-Turkism ... So we have nothing to ask ...
  • Oquzyurd
    Oquzyurd 14 November 2019 23: 30 New
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    I assure you that he understands everything. But the ideology is different, based on hostility and hatred towards us, the Turks.
    "workshop" and the subsequent "taronism" ", This is a disease, and not simple, this Cancer is incurable. But with such diseases, the result is ash-tree for everyone.
  • wmn5500
    wmn5500 14 November 2019 23: 45 New
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    Hello Jeyhun! Studying this state of Armenians, I always thought that such hatred could not take root only on the basis of a fake story, until I got to the bottom of the problem. And this essence turned out to be the ideology deduced by their "hero" accomplice of fascism Nzhdeh. After reading this ideology under the name "shop-chronism", I was honestly horrified! After all, a new ideology based on Nietzsche’s philosophy completely denies religion and God. Even Nietzsche in his philosophy relied on traditional Christian values, here everything is turned upside down to just frenzied Nazism. Here the main principle is not even a nation but a clan. You understand this even harder than Nazism! This is ethnocentrism in its most rabid form !!!
  • Oquzyurd
    Oquzyurd 15 November 2019 01: 38 New
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    Hello Vugar! Yes, I completely agree with you. I don’t think that out of 193 countries of the world, at least one can even meet the closely related ethnocentrism that Armenia and Armenians have in general. This can be compared with the serious illness that humanity has today, Cancer. That is, it is not subject to treatment, since for many generations, from old to young, they have been saturated, with rare exceptions.
  • Marxal2019
    Marxal2019 15 November 2019 08: 13 New
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    Countryman, purely for myself, I want to know ..... when they say genocide, for me it is extermination by ethnicity, and we have had a lot of this in history. Holodomor, Jewish genocide, Khojaly, all have facts of burial. Including the number of victims. Even at the beginning of the 20th century, in Guba, the remains of all of them were found. I'm wondering. Armenians claim that there were 1.5 million victims. So does anyone know where they were buried? 1.5 million victims and their remains to hide the mission is not possible. Good ... at least a million? well 500 t? I seriously want to find out for myself
  • Edmond dantes
    Edmond dantes 15 November 2019 10: 57 New
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    Less from me since there was no famine.
  • Marxal2019
    Marxal2019 15 November 2019 13: 43 New
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    Quote: Edmond Dantes
    Less from me since there was no famine

    perhaps. I just pointed out. just what they’re talking about the most.
  • Marxal2019
    Marxal2019 15 November 2019 08: 06 New
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    Quote: Karen
    This is the people of NKAR opposed

    Explain, please. What does the people of NKAR mean, who are they by nationality? This is the first time I hear the term, the people of the NKAR. ??
  • Karen
    Karen 15 November 2019 08: 11 New
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    Quote: Marxal2019
    Quote: Karen
    This is the people of NKAR opposed

    Explain, please. What does the people of NKAR mean, who are they by nationality? This is the first time I hear the term, the people of the NKAR. ??

    The people of the administrative structure of the NKAR ... Armenians, of course, that accounted for 80% of the total number of this entity ...
  • Marxal2019
    Marxal2019 15 November 2019 13: 46 New
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    Quote: Karen
    The people of the administrative structure of the NKAR ... Armenians, of course

    So write that these are Armenians, or you’ll invent a new name for yourself and mislead people. There is no such thing as the people of the NKAR. Further, in your words, it turns out, for example, in the city of Armavir in Russia, the majority of the population are Armenians and? Will you proclaim that this is the land of your ancestors? Pyatigorsk the same situation .... Abkhazia? Well, actually not 80% but less.
  • Karen
    Karen 15 November 2019 13: 49 New
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    I talked about ar.tsakhtsev that they lived on their historical land, the will of the Bolsheviks reassigned to the NKAR ...
  • Marxal2019
    Marxal2019 15 November 2019 18: 00 New
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    Quote: Karen
    I talked about ar.tsakhtsev that they lived on their historical land

    This is definitely not you. These are the Turkic and Lezgin peoples. Remaking the Gandazar monastery (Albanian in Armenian) ancient you will not understand? Just look at the surnames of the ancient Khai people ... 80% are Turkic, Arabic and Farsi, some Slavic with Persian ending YaN. Given this and many other facts, assimilation occurred in you with these peoples and not vice versa. 5 million nation + emigrants, where 10 million nation cannot be older than 80 million.
  • Karen
    Karen 15 November 2019 18: 07 New
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    Quote: Marxal2019
    This is definitely not you. These are the Turkic and Lezgin peoples. Remaking the Gandazar monastery (Albanian in Armenian) ancient you will not understand?

    There were no Türks here at all.
    About Gandzasar - I once listened to our priest that there is only the name "Aghvan" ("Albanian"), but our church ... I did not study the details ...
    _______
    There was no Turk ... And it should not be ...
  • Altai72
    Altai72 14 November 2019 20: 06 New
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    Aliyev could not say "to his tailor Armenian" leave here, since Aliyev then lived in Moscow.
    1. Karen
      Karen 14 November 2019 20: 13 New
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      Didn’t go to Baku at all? :)
      As far as I remember, it was he who rescued Kasparov from there ...
  • Marxal2019
    Marxal2019 14 November 2019 18: 45 New
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    Quote: wmn5500
    Let me remind you that the first refugees from Armenia of Azerbaijani nationality began to arrive in Sumgait in November 1987. And the events in Sumgait took place on February 26, 1988.

    Thank God that there is at least one user who knows the story. If I may, I will add. Just write on YouTube in the search Eduard Grigoryan and you will see that the instigator in Sumgait was an Armenian. He pretended to be an Azerbaijanian and began to poison them against Armenians. And Sumgait was chosen for a reason. It was precisely those Azerbaijanis who were expelled from Armenia, those who lost their shelter and hearth who lived compactly in Sumgait. They knew where to push and to whom.
    1. wmn5500
      wmn5500 14 November 2019 18: 58 New
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      You know the namesake, the whole point is that I deliberately do not mention Grigoryan. Because I try to explain the entire logical chain of events. And if anyone is interested, he will independently find information with reference to this subject.
  • Altai72
    Altai72 14 November 2019 20: 21 New
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    Quote: Karen
    Didn’t go to Baku at all?

    Maybe he went to warn the tailor ..
    1. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 14 November 2019 23: 34 New
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      ......)))))))) good
  • Altai72
    Altai72 14 November 2019 20: 24 New
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    Quote: Karen
    The expulsion of Armenians from the Azerbaijan SSR has always been ... long before the well-known events ...

    This is how Armenians were expelled from Azerbaijan if they settled in the Azerbaijani Gokce and Zangezur? Are they expelled along with the territory?
    1. Karen
      Karen 14 November 2019 20: 31 New
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      Altai, I would read about Syunik ... How the Georgian-Armenian forces fought against the alien Turks a couple of centuries before ...
      Well, and about the expulsion of Armenians from Plain Karabakh in the Soviet years ...
    2. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 14 November 2019 20: 45 New
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      No, he meant that people sailed here with Noah’s ship, moored, then the customs passed by the Armenians back then, after, with the generous permission of the Armenians, they got off the ship. laughing Here is such an ancient story they have on these lands. And some nomadic Azibichansa Turks came and kicked out the locals who met Noah here, taught the ego to read in the Armenian script. They came up with the phrase “Armenian apricot” and (when I was in the price tag I saw) the name of the fish- "Armenian fish" lol
      1. Karen
        Karen 14 November 2019 21: 10 New
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        Oguz, so retail in Maskvabad belongs mostly to yours ... Most likely, this is their handwriting :)
        ____
        A couple of years ago I wanted to send something to Moscow for sale ... Friends and told me that they would introduce Vashensky from the retail network ... :)
        1. Oquzyurd
          Oquzyurd 14 November 2019 21: 21 New
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          Yeah, something is not right or not convenient, bring down ours - this is their handwriting))) You cannot have flaws reaching the point of absurdity. These are tricks of bad neighbors lol
  • Altai72
    Altai72 15 November 2019 14: 19 New
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    Quote: Edmond Dantes
    Less from me since there was no famine.

    How was it not? That is, you will deny the famine in Kazakhstan, Ukraine, Russia? So it was the matter that people massively died of starvation during the time of collectivization, when the Bolsheviks took the land from the peasants.
    Hunger in the USSR (1932-1933) - a mass famine that covered in 1932-1933 the vast territories of the USSR (mainly steppe regions) that were part of the Ukrainian SSR, the Russian SFSR (including the Kazakh Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, the regions of the Central Black Earth Region, the North Caucasus, the Volga Region, Southern Urals, Western Siberia) and the Belarusian SSR.
    And the point is not just interesting, one and a half million people, this is at least 300 burials of 5000 people each, or vice versa. Where is one such mass burial, who showed, who confirmed?
    1. Marxal2019
      Marxal2019 15 November 2019 18: 02 New
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      Quote: Altai72
      And the point is not just interesting, one and a half million people, this is at least 300 burials of 5000 people each, or vice versa. Where is one such mass burial, who showed, who confirmed?

      So the Armenians claim that 1.5 million died. I’m asking where is the burial place of these victims. For myself, I personally want to know.
  • Altai72
    Altai72 15 November 2019 14: 26 New
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    Quote: Karen
    I spoke about ar.tsakhtsev, that they lived in their historical land, by the will of the Bolsheviks reassigned to the NKAR ...

    And they also say that you founded Kiev and Tbilisi too .. Well, half of Russia is natural ...
    1. Karen
      Karen 15 November 2019 15: 43 New
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      Abbas Mirza resettled the Armenians in Persia in 1603 ... From all the Armenian lands ... So their descendants returned to Maraga ...
      1. Marxal2019
        Marxal2019 15 November 2019 18: 09 New
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        Quote: Karen
        Abbas Mirza resettled the Armenians in Persia in 1603 ..

        That is, the ethnic Azerbaijani, Abbas-Mirza Kajar, the ruler of Persia, ethnic Turks, evicted the Armenians from GREAT ARMENIA and resettled to Persia. So? Did I understand correctly? Then could you show me the antique map of the 16th century and who was the king then in Armenia (present)
        1. Karen
          Karen 15 November 2019 18: 13 New
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          There has been no Armenian statehood for 600 years ... Nadyr Shah recreated the Armenian meliks on the territory of Karabakh ... They say Turks :) But he did it precisely to the Turks :)
          1. Marxal2019
            Marxal2019 15 November 2019 18: 15 New
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            Quote: Karen
            There has been no Armenian statehood for 600 years ..

            Well, so why resettle Armenians from one region to another throughout its territory?
            1. Karen
              Karen 15 November 2019 18: 24 New
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              There 2 goals were:
              1. Relocated the Armenian population of those areas that were supposed to go to the Ottomans.
              2. Relocated Armenians from other regions to resettle them .... It was in this vein that the Kurds moved to the territory of modern Kelbajar and Lachin regions ... To divide the Armenians of Syunik and Karabakh ...