Pashinyan: I am ready for a dialogue on Karabakh not only with official Baku, but also with the Azerbaijani people

The speech of the Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan at the so-called Paris Peace Forum is actively discussed in Armenia and Azerbaijan. During his speech, Pashinyan touched on an extremely acute issue for Yerevan and Baku - the issue of resolving the situation in Nagorno-Karabakh.

According to Pashinyan, no one has the right to talk with Armenia from a position of strength.

Pashinyan:

We are not threatening anyone in our region. We are ready for peace. I personally am ready for dialogue not only with official Baku, but also with the Azerbaijani people, with whom we have something to discuss.

During the forum in Paris, Nikol Pashinyan was asked a question from the Azerbaijani representative. The following wording was used in the question: "internationally recognized Karabakh as part of the Republic of Azerbaijan."

Pashinyan, answering a question about the status of Nagorno-Karabakh, retorted:

But if Nagorno-Karabakh, as you say, has internationally recognized status as Azerbaijan, then why are you still negotiating the status of these territories?

Further, the Armenian prime minister decided to return to the events in Sumgait. According to him, the situation then boiled down to the fact that "Armenians were killed during the massacre, and later these killings spread to Armenians living in Baku."

Pashinyan:

People fled without clothes, throwing everything. If you say that then everyone suffered, then this is not true. The Azerbaijani population was defended by the police, not a single Azerbaijani was injured (...) Now I am proposing a dialogue. You know how opponents in Armenia criticize me for this - they criticize me for offering an honest conversation to resolve the Karabakh conflict. I am talking about the need to negotiate and work out a solution that will be acceptable to Armenia, Azerbaijan and Nagorno-Karabakh itself.

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[Thrall]

I am personally ready for dialogue not only with official Baku, but also with the Azerbaijani people

Is the Armenian people ready?

[krot]

I think neither Azerbaijanis nor Armenians want to fight. But the Anglo-Saxons will always add fuel to the fire. Perhaps not with their own hands, but for example through the Turks ..

[Marxal2019]

Quote: krot

I think neither Azerbaijanis nor Armenians want to fight.

True, no one wants war. Armenia is not ready because, it knows that if the war starts, no one will help them, the result will be disastrous. Azerbaijan does not want the sons of our people not to die. You always write Turks and Turks, do you know that in Turkey 100.000 illegally living Armenians work and feed? If the Turks are such enemies, why go there?

[melkonster1974]

We have been hearing this song for a long time. About the deplorable result of the war for Armenia. But Azerbaijanis are dreaming of war. But a deplorable outcome will be for you.

[Ramzay121]

The keys to this conflict are not among the Anglo-Saxons and especially not among the Turks, and not in the readiness of the dialogue of the Prime Minister of Armenia, but in Russia. Step aside, it will take a maximum of a month to resolve the conflict.

[Marxal2019]

Quote: Ramzay121

but in Russia. Stand back, take a maximum of a month

Fully agree with you.

[Karen]

Quote: Marxal2019

Quote: Ramzay121

but in Russia. Stand back, take a maximum of a month

Fully agree with you.

In the war of the 90s, yours also dreamed so ...
We will need to repel the aggression of weapons based on the presence of 10% of the enemy’s weapons in order to repeat that scenario (then we had 5%).

[Marxal2019]

Quote: Karen

In the war of the 90s, yours also dreamed so ...

Old song about the 90th)))))))))

Quote: Karen

We will need to repel the aggression of weapons based on the presence of 10% of the enemy’s weapons in order to repeat that scenario (then we had 5%).

I'm under the table)))))))))))) so in April, posters from the windows of Yerevan hung up with the words PUTIN help and were offended by the entire CSTO general?

If we broke up a vaunted defense that had been modernized for more than 2016 years with 3% of the personnel overnight in April 20 (or rather 5 hours), guess what will happen if we use 50%

In the 90s, we had a lot of equipment, most of which did not work. In the 90th, the Russian military fought for you. The card has been put on you. And what we can do, remember your very battalion, Arabo, some terminators, lovers of killing civilians, what happened to them do not remember? And this was done by the village boys of the Ganja battalion. And now it’s not the 90s, now 2019 has passed almost 30 years and not these guys but professionals will stand before you ... who will cover any defense in 3 hours.

Your faith in your peculiarity and invincibility will destroy you.

[Karen]

Quote: Marxal2019

If during the night (or rather in 3 hours) we spread the vaunted defense which has been modernized for more than 20 years with 5% of the personnel, guess what will happen if we use 50%

He wrote a hundred times: in April Serzhik handed over land !!! Under the sauce of military failure like the "Six Day War" ...
But our soldiers did not agree with this, and went to fight - without the army elite ...
And the fact that Russia stopped the war - I already knew on the 3rd of that the 5th was obliged to end the hostilities ... Russia did not want to continue the hostilities ...

[Marxal2019]

Quote: Karen

A hundred times he wrote: in April, Serzhik handed over the land !!!

Serzhik handed over the earth? Do you believe that yourself?

Quote: Karen

But our soldiers did not agree with this, and went to fight - without the army elite ...

If the elite has nothing to do with it, why were they removed from the posts of Minister of Defense and Generals?) Is it like a comedy drama for the people?

Quote: Karen

And the fact that Russia stopped the war

Russia not only stopped, but also gave a green light to the beginning of this war. Remember how before the war Serzhik and all of Armenia spat in the direction of Russia, they say over there and all that, Armenia with Europe and the USA, bast marks and Putin said so ..... GREEN LIGHT. After losing, you lost the last, you and your army laid down the Kremlin, including air defense.

Quote: Karen

Russia did not want to continue military operations ...

Yes, I agree. As Ilham Aliyev publicly and everywhere said, Serzhik Azatovich asked Putin to stop the war. By Putin’s call to Aliyev, the war stopped.

[Karen]

Quote: Marxal2019

Quote: Karen
A hundred times he wrote: in April, Serzhik handed over the land !!!

Serzhik handed over the earth? Do you believe that yourself?

I not only believe in it, but also saw it with my own eyes ... And in Stepanakert a couple of days before April (when special equipment was withdrawn from the front line), and on the first day of the war - on this day I did not see columns of military equipment for the whole day on the road to Ar.tsy.
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And the fact that Serzhik fired a couple of horsemen was purely a clowning ...
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I am sure that not Serzhik was the first to call Putin, but Aliyev ... Sergik would benefit from a longer war ...

[Marxal2019]

Quote: Karen

I not only believe in it, but also saw it with my own eyes ...

Karen, Serzhik is at the heart of the Karabakh conflict. Does he participate and does he surrender? Yes, the Dashnaks would eat him alive. He would be publicly shot in Yerevan. What are you saying) First of all, he would be punished by the Kremlin)))))))))))

I have one request to you. Do not write the word Ar.tsah. In the first, he is not recognized by anyone. So he was Karabakh, is and will remain. Although I dare to assure you that it was called in the 1th century, only what relation does it have to you. since its founder is not Karen or Ashot but Hassan Jalal Dovla. I repeat Hassan and not Ashot or Vazgen. Or have you had problems since the 12th century with the names that you still like among the Turks to interact with?

[Karen]

Quote: Marxal2019

Karen, Serzhik is at the heart of the Karabakh conflict. Does he participate and does he surrender? Yes, the Dashnaks would eat him alive. He would be publicly shot in Yerevan. What do you say)

If Serzhik was at the origins of the Karabakh movement, then after the activation of Samvel Babayan he became simply an extras and a hangman ...

Dashnaks in Yerevan? In Yerevan, the Dashnaks never represented anything ... Even they couldn’t stutter a lesson ...
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As for Ar.ts ...
The history of Ar.tsakh begins much earlier than Hasanov ...
I do not know about the nationality of Hasan Jalal ... I only know that it was he who proposed the Armenian Cilicia to be an ally of the Mongols ... Which was done ...

[Marxal2019]

Quote: Karen

I am sure that not Serzhik was the first to call Putin, but Aliyev ... Sergik would benefit from a longer war ...

You are sure that you are profitable. And I say that, Ilham Aliyev, both on national TV and in front of Russian diplomats at the meeting and at the forum where Serzhik was also present, said that Putin and Shoigu called him to our Zakir, asking for STOP. I am personally sure that for the start of the war, START was also from these persons. I am 100% sure of this

[Karen]

I explained earlier there: it would be Serzhik who would be better off a longer war. He would have so calmly ordered the murders in Armenia of those who interfered with him on the political field ...

[melkonster1974]

With this, he reassured his people. And 100% only God can be sure.

[Marxal2019]

Karen, in April 2016, your side lost to Azerbaijan in many ways.

1. Salvage, Azerbaijan is able to wage a long-term war.
2. The training of Azerbaijani soldiers was at a high level. The Mossad and Turkish special forces and even Russia prepared the Azerbaijani army.
3. Technique. On the Azerbaijani side, military equipment is much more technologically advanced than that of Armenia. Israeli Khorop and Spike showed themselves at the highest level.
4. Fighting spirit, the Azerbaijani army is now at a high level.
5. The suddenness.
6. Your faith in your very army.

One thing I understood for sure from these wars, you cannot start without a green light. Until 080808, Russia was also for the territorial integrity of Georgia, but when Georgia ended up in Abkhazia, how did it end you know. And in the Karabakh conflict it is not right to ignore Russia, and the founder of all this at the source is also the Kremlin gentlemen.

[Karen]

Technique without a man cannot win ...
But we could resist ... He gave an example - our losses near Gebrail were due to the fact that all the soldiers went on the attack to beat the Turk, and no one wanted to be just a cartridge feeder - all were left without cartridges ...

[Oquzyurd]

"that all the soldiers went on the attack to beat the Turk, and no one wanted to be just a supply of cartridges - everyone was left without cartridges ..."

[Karen]

When your draped, you are unlikely to laugh like that ...

[Oquzyurd]

2016 "skidded" ours, but for some reason you lost 19 posts fortified

[Karen]

The conversation was about the Jabrail direction ...
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Serzhik handed over, handed over ...
When Rita Sargsyan visited the wounded from those battles at the Stepanakert hospital, she asked one: "Do you have anything to say / convey?" The answer, wounded by many hours of mortar shelling (in a frontal attack, he withstood calmly) was worthy of your attention: "Tell me that next time I will not ask for permission, but I myself will go ahead with my soldiers."

[melkonster1974]

19 strengthen posts? Well, you're a fabulist. The maximum that you took a worthless height and 800 hectares of neutral territory. And at the same time managed to lose hundreds of soldiers trained by the Mossad and Turks from conscripts. :)

[melkonster1974]

Do you want to seem dumber than you really are :)

[melkonster1974]

Quote: Marxal2019

I'm under the table)))))))))))) so in April, posters from the windows of Yerevan hung up with the words PUTIN help and were offended by the entire CSTO general?

If we broke up a vaunted defense that had been modernized for more than 2016 years with 3% of the personnel overnight in April 20 (or rather 5 hours), guess what will happen if we use 50%

In the 90s, we had a lot of equipment, most of which did not work. In the 90th, the Russian military fought for you. The card has been put on you. And what we can do, remember your very battalion, Arabo, some terminators, lovers of killing civilians, what happened to them do not remember? And this was done by the village boys of the Ganja battalion. And now it’s not the 90s, now 2019 has passed almost 30 years and not these guys but professionals will stand before you ... who will cover any defense in 3 hours.

Your faith in your peculiarity and invincibility will destroy you.

Myths to tell you are experts. This cannot be taken away from the Turks.

[Karen]

I’m already tired of answering every Turk ... In the 16th Serzhik handed over a safety belt, under the guise of a type, they lost in a war game ...
The Karabakh army therefore did not fulfill its role ... Simple army men fought, not the system ...
As for Yerevan ... Nobody believed Putin on the 2nd day ... Without his consent, yours and a meter would not dare to attack ... Yours have a fear of a Russian soldier at the genetic level ...

[Ramzay121]

Quote: Karen

In the war of the 90s, yours also dreamed so ...
We will need to repel the aggression of weapons based on the presence of 10% of the enemy’s weapons in order to repeat that scenario (then we had 5%).

The thing is, Karen, that is not the 90s now, you are still stuck there. We are yours not that 5,10. and all 100% saw in April 2016, when the Ohanyan line was torn to pieces within 18 minutes. Yes, they also saw your snot and cries, screaming for help, cry. Well, as usual, a bouquet.

[melkonster1974]

In the first war, you thought so too. The result you know was what.

[Sergey39]

I wonder how he imagines a "dialogue" with the people?

[Oquzyurd]

"People fled without clothes, abandoning everything. If you say that everyone suffered then, then this is not true. The Azerbaijani population was protected by the police, not a single Azerbaijani was injured in our country." To put it mildly, this is not true. Without starting a "dialogue", he began carry the deception of the reader, listener. Your troops are not legal (occupation) to be in the territories of Azerbaijan. Take them away, the dialogue will take place. What kind of dialogue and what can go on if you want to consolidate the occupation?
"We are not threatening anyone in our region. We are ready for peace." Imagine that the Germans, having taken Belarus, Ukraine, reached the Caucasus in the south and stopped, declaring that they did not threaten anyone, they were ready for peace, for dialogue with the Soviet people, but at the same time considering that what had been seized was their property.

[Lord of the Sith]

I do not agree. First of all, you need to put up. And Azerbaijanis will repent for the pogrom in Baku.
I do not advocate for anyone, but if you do not make peace and do not stop, then you will have a permanent conflict that the West will use.
Remember this.

[Invoce]

Armenians are eternal sufferers .... constantly suffer from neighbors (not the Christian religion) ...
Someone may say that Jews also suffer from time immemorial ... and also from neighbors of other religions, but this is a different case .... Armenians live peacefully in their land and only wars, conflicts within countries and genocide against the nat. sign scattered them around the world ...
And the Jews were created a state, but still this was not enough

[Marxal2019]

Quote: Invoce

Armenians live peacefully in their land

Azerbaijan has Karabakh, Georgia has Javakh, Turkey has Kars, do you call this peacefully?

Quote: Invoce

genocide according to nat. featured

Genocide? 1.5 million? You do not tell me where the remains of these people are buried, from 1.5 million at least 10.000 can show?

Quote: Invoce

And the Jews were created a state

And what they did not create at the beginning of the 20th century? I will be glad if you teach me history. Show me at least the 1st Armenian Tsar or the state or agreement where it has been written about them over the past 100-200 years? Okay 500 ........ I look forward to it.

[Altai72]

The first blood, alas, was shed by the Armenians. Check out the timeline.

[Marxal2019]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

First of all, you need to put up.

Why do you advise others that you yourself are not doing?

Quote: Lord of the Sith

And Azerbaijanis will repent for the pogrom in Baku.

why don’t you write 1) that the instigator in Sumgayit was Eduar Grigoryan, an Armenian recruited? 2) why don’t you say what happened a couple of months before Sumgait in Armenia? Or does the life and property of Azerbaijanis not count? Read what did the Armenians do with the millions of residents of Azerbaijani nationality in Armenia before the events in Sumgait? 3) And who will apologize for 18-19 years, when the Armenians slaughtered Azerbaijanis on their own land? I ask you to read the story, not the Azerbaijani or Armenian version, but the Russian archives. Not just the same they, the Armenians do not open their archives ...

Quote: Lord of the Sith

which will be used by the west

Please do not dissemble! This conflict is primarily used by Russia. A) armed contracts B) Assignment of infrastructure C) Territory from where you can control the entire Middle East. and finally D) Read the will of Peter, even Putin himself confirmed.

[Marxal2019]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

First of all, you need to put up.

Why are you asking for something that you yourself are not doing? Have you reconciled in Chechnya? Yes, but only after they set their .... in Ukraine? Georgia? You see, I’m writing this not in reproach to you, but because you have to look at everything really .......... without illusions. There will be no peace, understand? When quarreling it is necessary to quarrel so that for example the place remains, but the Armenians did not leave such a place.

Quote: Lord of the Sith

And Azerbaijanis will repent for the pogrom in Baku.

An interesting conclusion is drawn. And why don’t you say that the instigator and organizer of the pogroms was the Armenian Eduard Grigoryan, in the court of whom the victim (of Armenian nationality) was pointed to precisely by him. Why don’t you say that they should apologize to the Azerbaijanis for the pogroms in Armenia against the Azerbaijanis in Kafan in particular, and this was before the events of Sumgait. Why don’t you say that, Armenians should apologize for the massacre of Azerbaijanis in 18-19 years? Why do you have blind support for those who, on the main street, erect a monument to the one who killed the Soviet people ?????????? Explain it to me? In your country, they put a board of honor in the city of Armavir, the man who killed the Russian and Ukrainians and other peoples? Isn't Christian solidarity really?

Quote: Lord of the Sith

which will be used by the west.
Remember this.

Sly again. This conflict is properly used by Russia and no one else. And the Armenian genocide, the west, during the elections and when it is necessary to put on the head of Turkey. Russia took the maximum out of this conflict, and this is the territory for the base (free of charge) from which you can be on the alert and give 4 heads of the Middle East at once, the Armenians paid the entire infrastructure for debts, the army ....... Russia has billions in contracts for weapons from Azerbaijan. I ask you to write honestly !!!!

[Lord of the Sith]

Sit and think about these questions that you asked me, the answer is on the surface.

[Lekxnumx]

"But if Nagorno-Karabakh, as you say, has the status of internationally recognized for Azerbaijan, then why are you still negotiating on the status of these territories?"
Pashinyan is right why Azerbaijan is negotiating on the status of Karabakh, if the international community recognizes Karabakh as Azim, including Russia. You declare an anti-terrorist operation, since there was an ethnic purge against the Az-tsevs by elements of genocide, there are no Az-tsevs there. For a month you call on the citizens of Azn-Nagorno-Karabakh of Armenian ethnicity to evacuate. Then, with a clear conscience, you begin to iron from the whole arsenal. officially Armenian troops, send a message to the CSTO .RF, Kazakhstan, Belarus, etc. A member of your military bloc has declared war on us by sending troops to N.Karabakh, RECOGNIZED BY YOU. Please ask for sanctions and stasis vit withdraw troops, with the impact of Armenia will respond back at Yerevan! To declare all Armenian citizens to be mercenaries, except for the Armenians of N. Karabakh and referring to the Montreux Convention, all mercenaries will be destroyed on the spot without taking prisoners. Aliyev Pashinyan told you what to do

[Butchcassidy]

Then, as King Leonid said: Molon Labe (come and take it).

As for the genocide, it’s the usual tales of azagitprop.

What does the Montreux Convention have to do with it?))

[Lekxnumx]

Quote: ButchCassidy

What does the Montreux Convention have to do with it?))

If you re-read in the context of the above and what was said by Pashinyan, you may understand, but although knowing you, they are tormented by great doubts.

[Butchcassidy]

Who is "you"? And what does it have to do with it Montreux Convention establishing the status of the Bosporus and Dardanelles?

To declare all Armenian citizens as mercenaries, except for the Armenians of N. Karabakh and referring to the Montreux Convention, all mercenaries will be destroyed on the spot without taking prisoners.

And I understand correctly that you are inciting hatred towards the citizens of Armenia?

[Marxal2019]

Quote: ButchCassidy

And I understand correctly that you are inciting hatred towards the citizens of Armenia?

You are wrong. We will never incite hatred against anyone, let alone you and the Armenians. For we know perfectly well hu ish hu. And most importantly, if a monument to the Nazi who killed Soviet soldiers is erected on the central street of Yerevan, I quote his slogan "To die for Germany, it means to die for Armenia" Russia to erect a monument to a fascist and a Nazi and to glorify it and to erect an honorary memorial plaque and despite this all of Russia looks at it for granted, what's next to expect from your relationship?))))))))) Incite hatred?))) ... Thanks. Even Satan will not destroy your relationship)))

[Butchcassidy]

I actually answered Lek3338.

What monument are you talking about?

[Marxal2019]

Quote: ButchCassidy

What monument are you talking about?

they erected a monument to Garegin Nzhdeh in Yerevan. And he was a Nazi. Nzhdeh was a fascist in the literal sense of the word, created a bandit detachment, caused the death of a large number of people. The erection of the monument to Nzhdeh in Armenia shows that they cannot find a hero for themselves. "" He fought against Turkey in 1912-1913 during World War I. After the war, he led one of the Dashnak groups that fought against Turkey. Along with this, he was engaged in building an army In September 1919, the Dashnak government sent Nzhdeh to Zangezur.Under his direct leadership and on his instructions, the villages of Azerbaijanis were burned down, the population was massacred, and the survivors were expelled from their homes.Nzhdeh also massacred the Azerbaijani population in Vedibasar and Gookche. He and his troops took part in battles with the ADR army in 1920. The books written by the Armenians themselves also note the deeds of Nzhdeh ", his active work in the creation of Hitler's Armenian legion to withdraw Armenia from the Soviet Union. Installation of the monument to Nzhdeh after all this shows, that racism and fascism is the state policy of this state "

[Butchcassidy]

Yes, this is complete nonsense to everyone. In order to understand that what Nzhdeh allegedly was and did, you just need to slightly slap your paws on the keyboard, everything is easily refuted. It is enough to look at the accusations made against him in the articles of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR of 1922 imputed to him. You can read freely available extracts from his interrogation protocols to understand that Nzhdeh was no Nazi.

So this is just the propaganda of colleagues from Baku, which some deputies have recently begun to support, either being interested in the framework of "caviar diplomacy", or being misled. Rather the second.

[wmn5500]

Ah ... Let me ask the doctrine of "tsechokron" whose ideology ?! Isn't the author of this ultranationalist and ethnocentric ideology the same Nzhdeh ?!

[Karen]

In the years 1918-1920. ours and yours slaughtered each other ... Nzhde for the most part deported yours, but did not cut ...
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As for the ties of Nzhdeh and Dro with the Germans, they, under the screen of the Armenian Legion, were engaged in rescuing Armenian prisoners of war from concentration camps ... How much can you show the actions of the Armenian Legion against the Red Army? This is not the Vlasovites ...

[Lekxnumx]

Quote: ButchCassidy

Who is "you"? And what does the Montreux Convention, establishing the status of the Bosporus and Dardanelles straits have to do with it?

My jamb, I wrote after the shift, but it doesn’t change the essence, the convention on mercenaries.

Quote: ButchCassidy

And I understand correctly that you are inciting hatred towards the citizens of Armenia?

Yes, it is illegal in relation to illegally located in the territory of a foreign state

[Butchcassidy]

My jamb, I wrote after the shift, but it doesn’t change the essence, the convention on mercenaries.

We respect the working person and are ready to forgive a lot))
But if you are talking about this https://www.un.org/ru/documents/decl_conv/conventions/mercen.shtml, then there are no mercenaries and cannot be in the NKR. There are no peacekeepers there. There, in addition to the Halo Trust and the Red Cross, there are no foreigners at all.

Yes, it is illegal in relation to illegally located in the territory of a foreign state

No, it’s illegally located in the territory of the traditional residence of the Lezghins, just the same Az. R. You are Lezgin, judging by the nickname? Well, how do you live there? As with teaching in your native language, as with signs? And by the way, are you Shiite or Sunni? Familiar Lezgin from Az. R. said that his entire family was Shiite, but he did not agree with something there for religious reasons. I did not go into details, unfortunately

[Lekxnumx]

Quote: ButchCassidy

No, it’s illegally located in the territory of the traditional residence of the Lezghins, just the same Az. R. You are Lezgin, judging by the nickname? Well, how do you live there? As with teaching in your native language, as with signs? And by the way, are you Shiite or Sunni? Familiar Lezgin from Az. R. said that his entire family was Shiite, but he did not agree with something there for religious reasons. I did not go into details, unfortunately

Yes, I live normally and lessons are taught in the north and we publish books in my native language, subscribed to the Lezghin historical and cultural journal. I share the authorities of Azerbaijan and the people, my contemptuous attitude towards the authorities coincides with the opinion of the majority of Americans, to put it mildly. best friend, pure bakin from abroad, I am sitting, my distant relative "Lezgin" whom I call ChIuru spoiled Lezghin, does not speak his native language, he grew up in Baku like me (but I know) .One Agdash (officer) who, when he drinks, considers himself Lezghin )) One guy whom I didn’t know, he turned out to have a wife from my mother’s village, although my visitors are Agytsekhar there, there are only three families like that. - where is he from, I never asked a cultured, Russian-speaking, educated guy, a genius of technology. Lezgin is an instructor of the airmobile forces of Az-na's special forces. Yes, there were many guys there, everyone came to see, they came and went the tyak did not change. We started with moonshine from our edges, not the most vigorous, but 60 degrees was emptied a liter. Then the vodka went, three bottles. I'm an atheist to the core, we were sitting there three atheists, a few guys seem to believe in something , but they do)) One guy is silent Sunni, the second Shiite both don't drink, they only drank fresh pomegranate juice, we were Tatar people. We sat people of different nationalities, ages, worldviews, beliefs, professions, I am the youngest among them. Who is an atheist, who is an agnostic Who is Sunni, who is Shiite, Christian. There is a military, there is an accountant, a locksmith, a welder, a technician, a submariner of the Ministry of Emergency Situations Itshnik, a flower grower, a bread baker and we all grew up in one village on the outskirts of Baku. We were educated by the street of this city, what we would not argue the border of what is permissible we do not pass, be it politics or religion, we always embrace disagreeing at the end. For we care about people who surround us with real, not contemplated ideologies. I know quite a few Shiite Lezgins, as well as even more Sunni Az-ts. many sat at the table and shared bread, Baku Armenian, Tatar (we have a lot of them), Russians, Ukrainians, Lezgin, Talysh, Tat, Ayrym, Eraz, Rutul, Avar, Az-tsy, and yet they are different, Aran, urban, Karabakh. I was sitting with the Nakhchivans and I didn’t know anyone, and I wasn’t able to get to know anyone)) but I never sat with the Turks, in principle. there they have such no concepts there, just stupidly NO some frivolous movements.

[Butchcassidy]

Clear. Tell me, how do you support the authorities, if yours, as well as Avars and Talyshs, died about 40% in the war on the side of Baku? Despite the fact that all of you are not together and 5% of the population according to official statistics. Do not you understand that this is the genocide of your youth, your future?

And the mosque in Baku in the 12th century, which was the Lezgi mosque all its life, is now the Ashura mosque. Don't you understand that this is your annihilation policy? But you are the descendants of the Leks, an ancient people from among the peoples of Caucasian Albania! And Uzeyir Hajibeyov, is he not Lezgin? Why has he now become an "Azerbaijani"? Who have not decided who they are - Muslimlar, Azeri Turkler or Azeri Llar?
You will be, as Polad Bul-Bul oglu said in an interview about the composer Andrei Avanesovich Babayev - this is a "Baku composer". As if he would cease to be an Armenian from this? Is Uzeyir Hajibeyov just a "Shusha composer" now? Does it suit you?

Can you get education in your native language, including secondary and higher? And it’s easy to say everywhere: am I Lezgin? To hold any position, saying that you are Lezgin?

Why do you agree with those whom you call cIap?

[Lekxnumx]

The first paragraph about the dead is 40% nonsense, there is no such statistics. And I’m sure that there will be no proofs. About a mosque, this mosque was never Lezgin before the oil boom in Baku. On it is the inscription Ashur Ibrahim oglu. Uzeyir Hajibeyov is there one mention of it? Personal, anyone can be born. Who did he consider himself an az-ceme? If so, then the rest is his problem, he lived recently. Yes, you can get a secondary education, during the globalization you got higher and in Az but you don’t know English, you NEVER speak about Lezgi. I calmly speak Lezgin everywhere and get any job nationality always wrote in the CV, in the column. And my interviews are usually successful, I'm an expert in my field. Yes, the new mayor of Baku, Lezgin, with his accent and fool is clearly Lezgin.

[Butchcassidy]

I mean there is no such statistics? You're kidding, my friend. People on whose side remained dying? These statistics are not Baku, but Yerevan and Stepanakert.

Well, it’s not the Armenians in Kusary who came with the war, but vice versa. Do you think that documents, military tickets, etc., did not fall into the hands of the Armenian military? those who really came up with weapons in their hands?

Analysts in Armenia have long written that losing Baku won anyway, because displaced the internal ethnic balance not only by dearmenizing the region, but also getting rid of a significant part of indigenous peoples that were already so few.

As for the Lezgi-mosque, do you yourself believe in what you say? The people in whose language "sew" and "build" is one word, in the 12th century. built mosques? Are you kidding? And even if so, that before the oil boom, which is already 100 years old, it was not called the Lezgi mosque - 100 years of your people's history are worth nothing to you?

PS I'm glad that everything is fine in Az. R. and that the new mayor of Baku is Lezgin. I hope the rest of the Lezgins are doing well too.

[Marxal2019]

Quote: Lek3338

Pashinyan is right why Azerbaijan is negotiating on the status of Karabakh, if the international community recognizes Karabakh as Azim, including Russia.

Most of all, the war between Armenia and Azerbaijan is not profitable. No one can start a full-scale war in Karabakh without the green light from the Kremlin. It is a fact. For if there is a war, the Kremlin will have to make a choice ... as indicated here or will receive pro-American Armenia or Azerbaijan. If Russia does not defend Armenia, then Russia will leave Armenia, which means the loss of the southern Caucasus and all strategic tasks. Therefore, there should be a conflict (due to economic reasons), but the conflict should smolder and not burn !!!

[Butchcassidy]

This is nonsense. In 2016, when they decided to shoot in Baku, what approval did the Kremlin receive? That's bullshit.

Russia does not intend to go anywhere. And the United States knows this, not without reason that on Ararat they have so many observing military installations in the direction of Armenia, that it glows like a Christmas tree at night.

When in 2016 Baku started bombing the border villages of the Tavush region of Armenia, Moscow through the CSTO reacted unambiguously, condemning the aggression, but underlining that there were no requests for help. Finding a Russian base in Armenia has only one goal for Moscow and Yerevan - Turkey. The capacities available there are enough so that a fly does not fly over the territory of Turkey until Ankara. Russia pushes the potential front from the North Caucasus, Armenia receives a blockade of Turkey’s entry into an open military confrontation on the side of Az. R.

So, Karabakh has nothing to do with it directly, Yerevan and Stepanakert independently cope with their troubled eastern neighbor.

[Civil]

Peace between Caucasians ... this is not real. There common sense rests on unjustified ambitions. Armenia is a relatively Europeanized semi-democracy, and Azerbaijan is a classical eastern despot. And there are no prerequisites for dialogue.

[Altai72]

Have you ever visited these two countries? Your "relatively Europeanized" Armenia is a completely mono-ethnic state. No schools, no universities, no TV, no press in Russian. But in the situation with Azerbaijan, everything is completely opposite.

[Butchcassidy]

You smoke something, my friend, there are many schools in Russian in Armenia, including in the Russian Molokan villages of Violetovo and Lermontovo, or in Yerevan itself, for example, the school named after A. S. Pushkin (considered elite).

at the Russian-Armenian (Slavic) University and the CSTO Military Academy all education in Russian.

So you drive something and colleagues on IN deliberately mislead.

[Marxal2019]

Quote: Civil

Peace between Caucasians ... this is not real.

Wait a minute. Azerbaijan is a multicultural country. More than 20 nations live in Azerbaijan in peace and harmony. You probably wanted to say no one will have peace with the Armenians. Because it is they who have land claims against all neighbors.

Quote: Civil

Armenia is a relatively Europeanized semi-democracy, and Azerbaijan is a classical eastern despot.

:)))))) You obviously do not know anything about Azerbaijan .......

[Marxal2019]

Quote: Thrall

Is the Armenian people ready?

For profit, they can make friends with the devil. Proven stage.

[melkonster1974]

To be friends for the benefit of the devil is your prerogative. You’ll even call him the owner, if only you don’t get yours off the neighbors. Proven stage.

[knn54]

Aliyev, I think, is also ready for negotiations with ... Nagorno-Karabakh ..

[rocket757]

For everyone who dreams of crawling under the wing of a "big brother" because of an okey, difficult / strange times have come.
To do anything and everything at his command, they may begin to fear .....
Let's see, in short.

[Paul Siebert]

All the peoples of the former USSR have one hope for the cessation of strife and bloodshed.
This is the revival of our Great State!
Countries where peoples will live in friendship and mutual respect!
It’s not long to wait ...

[Pessimist22]

Pasha, is everything okay with you?

[alexmach]

This can only be answered with a quote from Putin.

[Marxal2019]

Quote: Paul Siebert

It’s not long to wait ...

I really doubt. Could you list the countries that want this?

[Paul Siebert]

It doesn’t matter who wants it! It is important that we Russians understand the need to reunite our torn nation. Protect yourself and our children from the predators of this world.
Stop the situation of collapse, eradicate the very possibility of the disappearance of our country and our people, the number of which is much larger than the Russians living in Russia ...

[Marxal2019]

Quote: Paul Siebert

It doesn’t matter who wants it!

It’s just that you wrote what many people want ........ I therefore asked who exactly wants it. I just can’t understand one thing, who is to blame and whom you blame for the disruption of the nation, from whom you want to protect your children ..............

[Invoce]

Now I offer a dialogue. You know how opponents in Armenia criticize me for this - they criticize me for offering an honest conversation to resolve the Karabakh conflict. I am talking about the need to negotiate and work out a solution that will be acceptable to Armenia, Azerbaijan and Nagorno-Karabakh itself.

Well done president! I did not even expect this! Respect

[Altai72]

So he is not a president, but a prime minister. And his opponents criticize him for being Soros. In Armenia itself, the annual outflow is at 3-5%, with whom are they going to settle foreign Karabakh? It will explode there soon, then it will be too late to paint the walls. The minus players are of course right there, but reality does not change from this. Syria, Ukraine, and Karabakh for the foreseeable future. Does any of you need this? Do not just wave urapatriotism here. All these funds must be directed into the interior of the country, and then you look and "under the wing" someone will ask. So much for your hegemony!

[Marxal2019]

Quote: Invoce

Well done president! I did not even expect this! Respect

Alas, you didn’t understand anything in this conflict. He talks about negotiations, but Karabakh says this is Armenia. And you are already applauding)))) Yes, and in this conflict he does not solve much.

[Altai72]

Quote: krot

I think neither Azerbaijanis nor Armenians want to fight. But the Anglo-Saxons will always add fuel to the fire. Perhaps not with their own hands, but for example through the Turks ..

In this case, let's stand aside, and we and the Turks. Let them decide between themselves. We recognize Karabakh for Azerbaijan. Maybe not, maybe I'm not in the know? Yes, and Karabakh like the CSTO does not apply.

[Butchcassidy]

What is wrong with the CSTO and Stepanakert now? Where do you propose to Russia to move, saying "let's stand on the sidelines"?

[Altai72]

We will support the 3 millionth pro-American Armenia, we will receive the 10 millionth pro-American Azerbaijan. In terms of population, Azerbaijan is on a par with Belarus.

[Spike Javelin Touvich]

not quite so, population growth will soon be zero.
Annual Growth Rate CIA 0,83 is, in 4 times less than in Tajikistan

link
https://www.cia.gov/LIBRARY/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/344.html#AJ

[mavrus]

How to raze the Soviet Union like this. So just come on ... And as soon as any region sends them to hell, it's "illegal". "Internationally Recognized" ...
So acknowledge and you will be "happy".
The USSR was also illegally divided, although the constitution stipulated the procedure for "collapse", but since they were in a great hurry, they limited themselves to the "Belovezhskaya collusion". And the bezmir accepted with a bang. Now what prevents to revise the borders "drawn by Stalin on the map by hand?"

[Altai72]

By the way, I will disappoint Pashinyan. The US Senate has rejected the recently presented "Armenian genocide" resolution. crept up unnoticed, Senator Lindsay Graham blocked the resolution in the Senate. This was announced by the head of the Senate's Legal Committee after meeting with Erdogan in the White House.

[Marxal2019]

Quote: Altai72

By the way, I will disappoint Pashinyan. The US Senate has rejected the recently presented "Armenian genocide" resolution.

I would be in the place of the Armenians, I would have spat in the direction of the United States. They do not understand that, with the bones of their ancestors they gamble. This is worse than using a person.

[Butchcassidy]

Where did the quotation marks come from regarding the Armenian Genocide?

[Altai72]

Quote: Altai72

We will support the 3 millionth pro-American Armenia, we will receive the 10 millionth pro-American Azerbaijan. In terms of population, Azerbaijan is on a par with Belarus.

That's it, I did not like it)) Well, well, minus further

[Fon elia]

These are all words. Time plays on Armenia. Only the king-father Vova decides what the scenario will be.

[Marxal2019]

Quote: Fon Elia

Time plays on Armenia.

I don’t think so. This conflict greatly affects their economies as well as their reputation.

Quote: Fon Elia

Only the king-father Vova decides what the scenario will be.

I agree.

[Altai72]

Quote: Fon Elia

Time plays on Armenia

How??? Aside from regional projects, a demographic catastrophe, an ongoing outflow of the population, economic collapse, a low standard of living, all kinds of animosity and hostility to all neighbors, trying to sit on two chairs, appropriating everything and everyone, megalomania, etc., etc. .P.
So how does time play for her?)) What does it shine for her between 80 million Turks, 10 million Azerbaijanis and 35 million Iranians from Iran on three sides? I am silent about Georgia in general, Armenians and Georgian lands claim to Javakhetia. How will they get out? Armenia and I don’t even have a border. Our base there specifically remained hostage. They are generally not perceived as Caucasians. And they themselves say that they are Ari (!), And not Caucasians. Does mother mother need to shed blood for the big ambitions of little Armenia? So let's then butt with everyone because of her)) Minus members, do not sleep

[Karen]

Quote: Altai72

I am silent about Georgia in general, Armenians and Georgian lands claim to Javakhetia.

It would be better to really be silent ...
There is creeping Turkization along the railway to Turkey throughout Georgia ... with the aim of ethnically blocking the Georgian-Armenian connection ...
By the way, this activity continues further, already along the Kars-Nakhijevan line ...

[Marxal2019]

Quote: Karen

By the way, this activity continues further, already along the Kars-Nakhijevan line ...

and what do you have against the Turkization of Nakhichevan? For centuries, Turkic peoples have lived there (most) It’s not for you Armenians to decide who lives on my land and who doesn’t. You will first learn to live with yourself and not migrate to your homeland California and France and then speak ........

[Karen]

I actually meant the territory of Turkey bordering Armenia ...
As for Nakhijevan ...

Quote: Marxal2019

and what do you have against the Turkization of Nakhichevan? For centuries, Turkic peoples have lived there (most)

There are detailed reports from those regions serving from the Vatican for hundreds of years ... There is a lot of information about the percentage ...

[Marxal2019]

Facts in the studio. I don’t believe Armenian words anymore.

[Karen]

Facts in the Vatican library ... Our cited ...
Yours will be able too :)

[Marxal2019]

Karen, please me from such riddles) There are facts in the studio .. Only internationally recognized and it is advisable that the author is not your fellow countryman) And then one here writes such a mother Do not Cry. Leonardo Davinci is an Armenian, Jesus is an Armenian, the Armenian method of hanging clothes. In short, the radio))) I ask only for documents)

[Karen]

I have not documented the facts ... I will be in the Vatican - there I will be allowed to go to the library by familiar Catholics, and they will give translators ...

[Marxal2019]

Karen, you say that you haven’t seen and say that it’s true.

[melkonster1974]

Especially believe your Azerbaijani words, do not respect yourself. And your disbelief in our words, we somehow do not care much

[Altai72]

Again the Vatican?))) Nakhchivan is 5000 years old, and this is the only place that Timur could not conquer, despite the 14-year siege.

[Karen]

Quote: Altai72

Again the Vatican?))) Nakhchivan is 5000 years old, and this is the only place that Timur could not conquer, despite the 14-year siege.

This is where such tales come from? Timur was omnipotent ...

[Altai72]

And for you, everything except your fictional story is a fairy tale?)) Have you watched a video on the net about a drunken Armenian who pretends to be cops that the Armenians created Russia, gave us Christianity, cured three heroes and all sorts of nonsense? No? Punch and see. And about Nakhichevan, which survived the siege of Timur and Miranshah, you do not know yes?))) Change the library.

[Karen]

Quote: Altai72

And about Nakhichevan, which survived the siege of Timur and Miranshah, you do not know yes?))) Change the library.

Remember the story of the "elusive" Joe? Probably the same thing happened in Nakhichevan ... Timur wanted to defeat the Ottomans, which he did ...

[melkonster1974]

Armenians have lived there for centuries, and not you. So it's up to us to decide.

[Marxal2019]

Quote: Altai72

How???

I put a plus. You have clearly noted everything. nothing to add. love to read healthy comments

[wmn5500]

I allow myself to copy my post addressed to the Armenian user from another discussion site. Here I explain the Sumgayit events.
"My version is based on the logical construction of" Look for who benefits. "And it was only profitable for the Armenian side! Tell me why? I answer; to justify the separation of the territory of Karabakh in favor of Armenia! And what is the best justification in territorial issues? The best justification in territorial issues Of course, blood! And how to get blood? And here is how; it is to create a part of the population that hates another ethnic group, for this you do not need to massively expel the hostile population, it is enough to create a small critical charged group. For this, in November 1987, they began to expel Azerbaijanis from Armenia Not massively, but the most disadvantaged. So we got the result! "
Let me remind you that the first refugees from Armenia of Azerbaijani nationality began to arrive in Sumgait in November 1987. And the events in Sumgait took place on February 26, 1988.

[Karen]

Vugar, good evening!
And I repeat ... Along the railway to Nakhichevan, and then creeping Turkization was cited ... Your success completely lost your head, became excessively aggressive ... that so many of ours in Kafan could no longer bear the spirit ...

[wmn5500]

And I repeat ... Along the railway to Nakhichevan, and then creeping Turkization was cited ... Your success completely lost your head, became excessively aggressive ... that so many of ours in Kafan could no longer bear the spirit ...

Good evening Karen! I haven’t written here for a long time;
Well, this is where we must start with these words "that many of our people in Kafan could no longer bear it ..." That is, the Armenians nevertheless started the expulsion, and they also initiated the conflict in Karabakh. As for the Turkization, let me remind you that this same territory at one time was subjected to brutal de-Turkization with ethnic cleansing and extermination. Don't you remember ?!

[Karen]

Quote: wmn5500

Do not remember anywhere ?!

I do not forget him :)
______
I know not only about Kapan ... But ours didn’t kill yours there, but they only gave us on the head so that they wouldn’t become impudent ...
Turkization took place everywhere with us ... My sidekick was in the commission that checked the Turkic new settlements on our border, on the instructions of K. Demirchyan ... He says they came to such annexed good territory, and they told the newcomers to return to their place - for the inter-republican the border ... Well, noise and din, they don’t want to ... Koresh says: then one khanum raised her hand - and ordered her to return to her republican lands ...
_____
About Edik Grigoryan ... Did this clown solve something?
Six months before Sumgait, Heydar Aliyev told his personal tailor (Armenian): "Leave here with your family: something is being planned, even I don't know the scale ..."

[wmn5500]

You do not quite understand Karen! I mean the events of 1918-20. Then the Azerbaijani (Turkic) population of this region greatly decreased as a result of the activity of the same Nzhdeh. And as for the sidekick, I’ll say that now so much is said that there is no faith for anyone, especially among interested parties. Therefore, we take only the facts and link them in a chronological order into a logical chain.

[Karen]

Quote: wmn5500

You do not quite understand Karen! I mean the events of 1918-20. Then the Azerbaijani (Turkic) population of this region greatly decreased as a result of the activity of the same Nzhdeh

I realized this ... There was a war of mutual annihilation, and, as I know, military luck was more with yours ...

[wmn5500]

Not really! Zangezur still remained with the Armenians. Probably it was then that it was necessary to resolve all our claims to each other, but now our peoples have become leverage of various centers. Then I think it was easier!

[Karen]

Quote: wmn5500

Not really! Zangezur still remained with the Armenians. Probably it was then that it was necessary to resolve all our claims to each other, but now our peoples have become leverage of various centers. Then I think it was easier!

So the conversation was about Nakhichevan ...
And Zangezur - this is the dedication of Nzhdeh ...

By the way, read the instructions of your Kara-Karaev? There he called on yours to kill the Russian and blame the Armenians for this ...
____
And even then, you and I turned other countries for our own purposes ...

[wmn5500]

By the way, read the instructions of your Kara-Karaev? There he called on yours to kill the Russian and blame the Armenians for this.

But this is interesting! What kind of Kara-Karaev do you mean, composer ?!
Here it is: Kara Abulfaz oglu Karaev (azerb. Qara Əbülfəz oğlu Qarayev; 1918-1982) - Soviet Azerbaijani composer, teacher and public figure, professor.

[Karen]

No, I'm talking about a member of the Revolutionary Military Council of Kara-Karaev ... In Karabakh, he was noted for "sovietization".

[wmn5500]

Karen! Nevertheless, this is the first time I hear about this, but I can share the source.

[Karen]

Vugar, I read all this in the 88th ...
Now I’m taking stock of my library :) the third month already :) it’s hard to get :)
If I find it, I’ll send a scan ... But I’m sure that the Internet will be about him and his instructions, how states are built ...

[wmn5500]

Without sarcasm, I absolutely sincerely say; I hear it for the first time!!! Set the scan will be grateful.

[Marxal2019]

Quote: Karen

Not only about Kapan I know ... But there ours didn’t kill yours

Again, you are not writing the truth.

in Armenia on the day of remembrance of the victims of the so-called “Armenian genocide” - on April 24, 1983, a powerful alarm sounded, a harbinger of future tragic events. The fact is that since 1965, at the request of the Armenian side, the allied leadership approved the holding of events on the occasion of the “Armenian genocide” on April 24. Since then, rallies-processions were held every year, which often resulted in riots and attacks on the Azerbaijani population of Armenia. On this day, April 24, 1983, in the center of the Masis (Zangibasar) district, Armenian extremists broke into an Azerbaijani wedding (during the wedding of the son of Karim and Sona Kafarov) and carried out the massacre. Protesting Armenians of the Masis district broke into the bride’s house and seriously injured 4 people, dozens were injured. (Senuber Saralli, “Genocide. Annotation of the districts. List of dead and brutally killed in Western Azerbaijan in 1987-1992”). After that, the affected Azerbaijanis filed numerous complaints that were not accepted by local authorities. Outraged by lawlessness, the victims were forced to turn to the central allied authorities. As a result, all the same, no criminal proceedings were instituted against the guilty of this crime.

“On the same day, April 24, 1983, the Azerbaijani cemetery was defeated. Azerbaijanis, in protest of this act of Armenian vandalism, gathered on the Turkish border and held a rally demanding to go to Turkey.

As we see, the expulsion of Azerbaijanis from the Armenian SSR began long before the start of the Karabakh conflict and before the events in Sumgayit.

[Karen]

The expulsion of Armenians from the Azerbaijan SSR has always been ... long before the well-known events ...

[wmn5500]

Karen! Well, how so ?! According to your words, Armenians were expelled from the Azerbaijan SSR. But they settled in a considerable amount in Sumgait ?! Attention Sumgait was founded in 1949. Does not fit !!!

[Karen]

About expulsions - the manifestation of how Armenians were expelled from the village of marshals is the most striking manifestation ...
Sumgait ... Yes, the Union needed this chemical industry ...

[wmn5500]

Chardakhly or what? And when did this happen? The union was necessary, you say, what have the Armenians to do with it? They, the Armenians, settled en masse not only there but also in Baku and other cities. Ali-bayramli for example. We will find so many exceptions from this "exile" that in the end it turns out that it was not an exile at all, but rather a settlement by Armenians. So please don't be fooled by propaganda, Karen.

[Karen]

Quote: wmn5500

Chardakhly or what? And when did this happen?

Vugar, I read it all 30 years ago ... Surely it will be on the Internet ...

Quote: wmn5500

The union needed to say, but what about the Armenians?

So expelling from compact places of residence, we at the same time received both resettlement and dissolution - in the construction of Sumgait, Baku ...

[wmn5500]

That's how! Well then, it turns out they did not expel, but there was an internal resettlement inside the Azerbaijan SSR, moreover, from rural conditions to urban conditions for more comfortable conditions! I would not call such actions exile! It was rather an improvement in living conditions! But here I would like to recall the resettlement of the Azerbaijani population from the Arm.SSR to the Az.SSR in 1948-50. Moreover, from more fertile conditions in the Kura-Araksin lowland, it’s actually a desert. But what about this fact ?!

[Karen]

Stalin ... Apparently, he realized his vile essence on the Armenian issue in the 20s ...

[wmn5500]

Well, I don’t know about Stalin! Assessment of its activities may be different. But as it turns out, the expulsion of Armenians from the Azerbaijan SSR is not confirmed by facts.

[Karen]

I noted ... After resettlement - it turns out in one fell swoop ... As they saw in Sumgait and Baku ...

[wmn5500]

Above, I have already presented my considerations on Sumgait. This "in one fell swoop" was beneficial to the Armenian side. Armenian ideologists thus sacrificed the Armenians of Sumgait and Baku for the sake of rejecting Karabakh in favor of Armenia! So the Armenian population was just pawns in the game of these grandmasters!

[Karen]

There was no Armenian ideology ... Both K. Demirchyan and Catholicos Vazgen opposed the Karabakh movement ... This people of the NKAR opposed oppression ... Well, it started ...

[wmn5500]

You and I have already discussed this. There was no harassment! This is a late invention of propagandists in order to somehow justify the actions of the Armenian side. I say it again above, I gave my considerations on this issue. It's not like a spontaneous performance! There is a well thought out policy here. Well, Demirchyan and Vazgen could not say anything else at that time. The main thing here is not what they said but what they did! In addition, until 1988 there were attempts to reject Karabakh. In general, the ideology of the Armenians today stands on the ideology derived by the same Nzhdeh "tsekhakronism" is called! This ultra-nationalist ideology is in fact real racism and Nazism! It's not for nothing that you honor him so much!

[Karen]

Quote: wmn5500

Well, Demirchyan and Vazgen could not say anything else at that time. Here the main thing is not what they said but what they did!

Demirchyan really did nothing for the Karabakh movement, and greatly interfered with this ... Our KGB officers also interfered with this ... Somehow I also had to give a kick to the serviceman from the run that he was breaking leaflets ... He ran away, realizing that may run into more ...
I repeat: it’s the people who woke up ... We must also take into account that in the Arm.SSR there lived thousands of three hundred who moved from the NKAR from the Turkic state ...

[wmn5500]

Karen! How many times to say! There was no persecution! Did not have!!! This is in the conditions of the USSR with its draconian laws on the issue of friendship between peoples of "persecution" on a national basis ?! And in such massive quantities ?! Well, I asked you not to propaganda. I remember very well how they drove us to patrol the streets, God forbid that something happens to some Armenian. Well, what kind of persecution are you talking about ?!
But on "the people woke up", I would say the people were duped by the Armenian ideology of "tsekhakronism" and the subsequent "taronism", which was fed to him every time in the form of commemorating the day of "genocide". You understand that you are going with a similar ideology to ruin! Do not force me to present here the main theses of your ideology. It clearly shows that aggressive expansionism has been introduced into your consciousness. According to your ideology, we Azerbaijanis do not have the right to life at all! Keep in mind I read all this and I know !!!

[Karen]

As to whether or not there was persecution - here everyone will remain with their opinion ...
As for our ideology - to be honest, I have not heard of "taronism" ...
As for "Azerbaijanis in general" - I have my own opinion, I have not absorbed it into my consciousness from anyone ... It is as follows: there is no such people ... The name does not belong to the Turks ... There are Turks in the territory of historical Azerbaijan who grind the autochthons .. ...

[wmn5500]

Well Karen! You yourself said everything! Q.E.D!!! We are not, we are nobody and we, being nobody, "grind" the autochthonous. Well, what else is there to talk about ?! And what kind of dialogue with us is your prime minister ready to conduct? We're not here! I know perfectly well that at the moment this is the dominant point of view in Armenia on our occasion! So whatever one may say, your Pashinyan is simply a hypocrite and a liar! Who was he going to dialogue with ?!
And about "taronism" read there is such a development of the ideology of Nzhdeh.

[Karen]

Quote: wmn5500

Pashinyan is simply a hypocrite and a liar! Who is he going to dialogue with ?!

Vugar, do not scatter these words ... Pashinyan has something to say to the Turkic people on the lands of historical Azerbaijan ... And I hope there will be such a meeting, and you will hear his point of view (I am also not familiar with it, and I will also be interested to know )
As for the teachings of Tsekhakron, he is being intensively studied, more than ours, by your opponents of tomorrow - Lezgins-Dagestanis and true Talyshs ...
In my view, what I read from Nade is a survival strategy for a small nation ...

[wmn5500]

Vugar, do not scatter these words ... Pashinyan has something to say to the Turkic people on the lands of historical Azerbaijan ... And I hope there will be such a meeting, and you will hear his point of view (I am also not familiar with it, and I will also be interested to know )

I’m also very interested in what the leader of the people in whom the belief that we do not exist can say.

As for the teachings of Tsekhakron, he is being intensively studied, more than ours, by your opponents of tomorrow - Lezgins-Dagestanis and true Talyshs ...

That’s your misconception! Karen! I'm not crazy to be my own opponent. In Armenia, it doesn’t reach you that we are the Lezgins Talyshs and Turks. I personally have the roots of all the ethnic groups you mentioned. We all as a whole make up the multi-ethnic and multi-cultural people of Azerbaijanis. You persistently do not want to understand this.

In my view, what I read from Nade is a survival strategy for a small nation ...

With a cult of power, kind and superman ?! You apparently are not familiar with the teachings of the Nazis, everything is the same there!

[Karen]

Quote: wmn5500

That’s your misconception! Karen! I'm not crazy to be my own opponent. In Armenia, it doesn’t reach you that we are the Lezgins Talyshs and Turks. I personally have the roots of all the ethnic groups you mentioned.

That's why I emphasized that true Talysh ... And not assimilated by the Turks ... And I spoke about the Lezgins of the Dagestanis, and not your Lezgins, who are for us what the Turks, that is, the enemy ..

[Marxal2019]

Quote: Karen

and not your Lezgins, who are for us what the Turk, that is, the enemy ..

You have a sick ideology. Since the Turk, then the enemy! Although I am not surprised

[Karen]

Quote: Marxal2019

. Since the Turk, then the enemy! Although I am not surprised

So, after all, a Turk is mobilized into an army against us ... Historically ...

[Marxal2019]

Quote: Karen

after all, the Turk is mobilized into an army against us ... Historically ..

Karen, do you count how many diplomats and ministers of Armenians were in the Ottoman Empire? You never asked yourself the question, why is there nothing wrong with that? Why should the enemies be when the Armenians in the Ottoman Empire both retained their fame and faith and no one found fault, and why was the conflict in the north-east and not throughout Turkey since it was genocide or hostility? And the Armenians who lived in other regions, both lived and live ......... Why did they become enemies? They are not infected with the virus anti-Armenian?

[Karen]

The genocide began precisely with the annihilation of the intelligentsia of Constantinople Armenians - so that there would be no one to lead the Armenians ...

[wmn5500]

Karen! The vast majority are assimilated. How are you going to share them. In your opinion, it turns out that if among my ancestors there were not only Talysh and Lezghins but also Türks, then all of me now have no right to the heritage of my ancestors? This type is not the purity of the race ?! Karen, you imagine that almost all the peoples of mankind assimilated various ethnic groups in themselves. There are no pure ethnic groups! Including you Armenians, you once assimilated several different ethnic groups.

[Karen]

For me, Lezgins are those from this ethnic group who remember that the Turks of Timur slaughtered their ancestors and threw them into the river to organize a crossing ... Not those of Lezgins who will fight against us under the flag of Pan-Turkism ...

[wmn5500]

In general, as I understand it, if the indigenous ethnic group or its representative is not a Turkophobe or a Turk-hater, then he is not real ?! And, accordingly, is the enemy ?! It turns out that you personally promote racism and ethnic hatred !!!
Why are you doing this ?!

[Karen]

I have already explained the essence ... The one from another ethnic group who will fight tomorrow under the flag of Pan-Turkism against us - today I am already entering the camp of the enemy ...

[wmn5500]

Strange Karen, do you think that you can’t fight against you? Do not create an enemy for yourself, do not conduct territorial expansion, do not conduct defamatory propaganda! And you will have no desire to fight with anyone, under any flag.

[Karen]

We should save our own and return our own ...
Pan-Turkism will not disappear anywhere, so we will always have enemies ... Still, Vugar, look on the Internet for that Kara-Karayev from the PBC that was noted during the Sovietization in Karabakh ... It’s his instructions on how to create your own order ... Nothing has changed since then and will not change in the thinking of the Turk ...

[wmn5500]

That's it! Karen, under the slogan of his return and the whole problem lies. You suddenly began to believe that it is necessary to recreate a state that once existed in the ancient period, and within the same borders! And the fact that these territories have been occupied by other peoples for 1000 years, you do not see any obstacles. They came up with a good slogan, let them get where they came from. Great !!! The fact that these alleged aliens have long been mixed with local ethnic groups, you do not pay attention. So get the enemies! And Pan-Turkism didn’t run past here at all !!!

[Marxal2019]

Quote: wmn5500

It turns out that you personally promote racism and ethnic hatred !!!

Not just him. It is laid in childhood. Turker means an enemy. And you can live on their lands, have their names, sing their songs, eat their dishes!

Quote: wmn5500

Why are you doing this ?!

Kuznetsov, Russian political scientist. I quote: According to the georization of individuals, we can understand what a nation is. Melko Melkoyan (Arabo), Gagerin Njeh (Nazi), Sasunyan (Assassin of the Turkish consul and many others. All killers. The army is one thing and these are different people. A nation that has more than 30 territorial groups. What do you expect from them?

[Marxal2019]

Quote: Karen

For me, Lezgins are those from this ethnic group who remember that the Turks of Timur slaughtered their ancestors

I see you have barbaric concepts. Say my salesman killed someone, and they punish me for his act. So where did Christian obsession go? Do not kill ?? What kind of world can go between us, if you constantly, every fraction of a second, hate us. That’s why it’s funny for me when your minister is hypocritical about the world ...... I’m sure if we make peace, after a certain time you will again arrange Khojaly. Only this time it will not work. 2 TIMES we forgave you ... 3 times will not be. Therefore, do not be surprised that there will be no peace with you !!!! Do not ask for what you yourself do not give

[Karen]

Quote: Marxal2019

Therefore, do not be surprised that there will be no peace with you !!!! Do not ask for what you yourself do not give

With a Turk, peace is impossible for Armenians - we interfere with our presence in pan-Turkism ... So we have nothing to ask ...

[Oquzyurd]

I assure you that he understands everything. But the ideology is different, based on hostility and hatred towards us, the Turks.
"tsehakronism" and subsequent "taronism" ", This is a disease, and not simple, it is Cancer incurable. But with such diseases and the result is ash.

[wmn5500]

Hello Jeyhun! Studying this state of Armenians, I thought all the time that such hatred could not take root only on the basis of a fake story, until I got to the bottom of the problem. And this essence turned out to be the ideology brought out by their "hero", an accomplice of fascism, Nzhdeh. After reading this ideology called "tsekhakronism", I was honestly horrified! After all, based on the philosophy of Nietzsche, the new ideology completely denies religion and God. Even Nietzsche in his philosophy relied on traditional Christian values, but here everything is twisted to the point of simply outrageous Nazism. Here the main principle is not even the nation but the clan. You understand this even tougher than Nazism! This is ethnocentrism in its most rabid form !!!

[Oquzyurd]

Hello Vugar! Yes, I completely agree with you. I don’t think that out of 193 countries of the world, at least one can even meet the closely related ethnocentrism that Armenia and Armenians have in general. This can be compared with the serious illness that humanity has today, Cancer. That is, it is not subject to treatment, since for many generations, from old to young, they have been saturated, with rare exceptions.

[Marxal2019]

Countryman, purely for myself, I want to know ..... when they say genocide, for me it is extermination by ethnicity, and we have had a lot of this in history. Holodomor, Jewish genocide, Khojaly, all have facts of burial. Including the number of victims. Even at the beginning of the 20th century, in Guba, the remains of all of them were found. I'm wondering. Armenians claim that there were 1.5 million victims. So does anyone know where they were buried? 1.5 million victims and their remains to hide the mission is not possible. Good ... at least a million? well 500 t? I seriously want to find out for myself

[Edmond dantes]

Less from me since there was no famine.

[Marxal2019]

Quote: Edmond Dantes

Less from me since there was no famine

perhaps. I just pointed out. just what they’re talking about the most.

[Marxal2019]

Quote: Karen

This is the people of NKAR opposed

Explain, please. What does the people of NKAR mean, who are they by nationality? This is the first time I hear the term, the people of the NKAR. ??

[Karen]

Quote: Marxal2019

Quote: Karen

This is the people of NKAR opposed

Explain, please. What does the people of NKAR mean, who are they by nationality? This is the first time I hear the term, the people of the NKAR. ??

The people of the administrative structure of the NKAR ... Armenians, of course, that accounted for 80% of the total number of this entity ...

[Marxal2019]

Quote: Karen

The people of the administrative structure of the NKAR ... Armenians, of course

So write that these are Armenians, or you’ll invent a new name for yourself and mislead people. There is no such thing as the people of the NKAR. Further, in your words, it turns out, for example, in the city of Armavir in Russia, the majority of the population are Armenians and? Will you proclaim that this is the land of your ancestors? Pyatigorsk the same situation .... Abkhazia? Well, actually not 80% but less.

[Karen]

I talked about ar.tsakhtsev that they lived on their historical land, the will of the Bolsheviks reassigned to the NKAR ...

[Marxal2019]

Quote: Karen

I talked about ar.tsakhtsev that they lived on their historical land

This is definitely not you. These are the Turkic and Lezgin peoples. Remaking the Gandazar monastery (Albanian in Armenian) ancient you will not understand? Just look at the surnames of the ancient Khai people ... 80% are Turkic, Arabic and Farsi, some Slavic with Persian ending YaN. Given this and many other facts, assimilation occurred in you with these peoples and not vice versa. 5 million nation + emigrants, where 10 million nation cannot be older than 80 million.

[Karen]

Quote: Marxal2019

This is definitely not you. These are the Turkic and Lezgin peoples. Remaking the Gandazar monastery (Albanian in Armenian) ancient you will not understand?

There were no Türks here at all.
About Gandzasar - somehow our priest heard that there was only the name "Agvan" ("Albanian"), but our church ... I did not study the details ...
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There was no Turk ... And it should not be ...

[Altai72]

Aliyev could not say "to your Armenian tailor" leave here, as Aliyev was then living in Moscow.

[Karen]

Didn’t go to Baku at all? :)
As far as I remember, it was he who rescued Kasparov from there ...

[Marxal2019]

Quote: wmn5500

Let me remind you that the first refugees from Armenia of Azerbaijani nationality began to arrive in Sumgait in November 1987. And the events in Sumgait took place on February 26, 1988.

Thank God that there is at least one user who knows the story. If I may, I will add. Just write on YouTube in the search Eduard Grigoryan and you will see that the instigator in Sumgait was an Armenian. He pretended to be an Azerbaijanian and began to poison them against Armenians. And Sumgait was chosen for a reason. It was precisely those Azerbaijanis who were expelled from Armenia, those who lost their shelter and hearth who lived compactly in Sumgait. They knew where to push and to whom.

[wmn5500]

You know the namesake, the whole point is that I deliberately do not mention Grigoryan. Because I try to explain the entire logical chain of events. And if anyone is interested, he will independently find information with reference to this subject.

[Altai72]

Quote: Karen

Didn’t go to Baku at all?

Maybe he went to warn the tailor ..

[Oquzyurd]

......))))))))

[Altai72]

Quote: Karen

The expulsion of Armenians from the Azerbaijan SSR has always been ... long before the well-known events ...

This is how Armenians were expelled from Azerbaijan if they settled in the Azerbaijani Gokce and Zangezur? Are they expelled along with the territory?

[Karen]

Altai, I would read about Syunik ... How the Georgian-Armenian forces fought against the alien Turks a couple of centuries before ...
Well, and about the expulsion of Armenians from Plain Karabakh in the Soviet years ...

[Oquzyurd]

No, he meant that people sailed here with Noah’s ship, moored, then the customs passed by the Armenians back then, after, with the generous permission of the Armenians, they got off the ship. They have such an ancient history on these lands. And some nomadic Turks-Azibichans came and drove out the locals who met Noah here, taught the ego to read the armyan script. They also came up with the phrase - "army apricot" and (when I was in the price tag saw) the name of the fish is "army fish"

[Karen]

Oguz, so retail in Maskvabad belongs mostly to yours ... Most likely, this is their handwriting :)
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A couple of years ago I wanted to send something to Moscow for sale ... Friends and told me that they would introduce Vashensky from the retail network ... :)

[Oquzyurd]

Yeah, something is not right or not convenient, bring down ours - this is their handwriting))) You cannot have flaws reaching the point of absurdity. These are tricks of bad neighbors

[Altai72]

Quote: Edmond Dantes

Less from me since there was no famine.

How was it not? That is, you will deny the famine in Kazakhstan, Ukraine, Russia? So it was the matter that people massively died of starvation during the time of collectivization, when the Bolsheviks took the land from the peasants.
Hunger in the USSR (1932-1933) - a mass famine that covered in 1932-1933 the vast territories of the USSR (mainly steppe regions) that were part of the Ukrainian SSR, the Russian SFSR (including the Kazakh Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, the regions of the Central Black Earth Region, the North Caucasus, the Volga Region, Southern Urals, Western Siberia) and the Belarusian SSR.
And the point is not just interesting, one and a half million people, this is at least 300 burials of 5000 people each, or vice versa. Where is one such mass burial, who showed, who confirmed?

[Marxal2019]

Quote: Altai72

And the point is not just interesting, one and a half million people, this is at least 300 burials of 5000 people each, or vice versa. Where is one such mass burial, who showed, who confirmed?

So the Armenians claim that 1.5 million died. I’m asking where is the burial place of these victims. For myself, I personally want to know.

[Altai72]

Quote: Karen

I spoke about ar.tsakhtsev, that they lived in their historical land, by the will of the Bolsheviks reassigned to the NKAR ...

And they also say that you founded Kiev and Tbilisi too .. Well, half of Russia is natural ...

[Karen]

Abbas Mirza resettled the Armenians in Persia in 1603 ... From all the Armenian lands ... So their descendants returned to Maraga ...

[Marxal2019]

Quote: Karen

Abbas Mirza resettled the Armenians in Persia in 1603 ..

That is, the ethnic Azerbaijani, Abbas-Mirza Kajar, the ruler of Persia, ethnic Turks, evicted the Armenians from GREAT ARMENIA and resettled to Persia. So? Did I understand correctly? Then could you show me the antique map of the 16th century and who was the king then in Armenia (present)

[Karen]

There has been no Armenian statehood for 600 years ... Nadyr Shah recreated the Armenian meliks on the territory of Karabakh ... They say Turks :) But he did it precisely to the Turks :)

[Marxal2019]

Quote: Karen

There has been no Armenian statehood for 600 years ..

Well, so why resettle Armenians from one region to another throughout its territory?

[Karen]

There 2 goals were:
1. Relocated the Armenian population of those areas that were supposed to go to the Ottomans.
2. Relocated Armenians from other regions to resettle them .... It was in this vein that the Kurds moved to the territory of modern Kelbajar and Lachin regions ... To divide the Armenians of Syunik and Karabakh ...