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Sina: US envies new Russian stealth fighter Su-57

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The United States may “burst with envy,” looking at the new Russian fifth-generation fighter Su-57, which will soon go into mass production and will be adopted by the Russian Air Force. This conclusion was reached by the author of an article published in the Chinese edition Sina.


According to the author of the article, Russia in the production of all types of weapons easily bypasses all existing countries except the United States. However, the creation of a new fifth-generation fighter Su-57 takes to a new level, and the Americans can "burst with envy", looking at this modern aircraft.

Having become acquainted with the characteristics of the Su-57, the author writes that the new Russian fighter has excellent stealth capabilities, is able to fly at super speeds without using the afterburner of its engines. It has high maneuverability, and the cockpit is specially designed for combat at high loads. In addition, the author notes, the fighter carries highly effective weapons of various types, which can be used both in the air and on the ground. At the same time, he raises 10 tons of weapons.

As a fifth-generation aircraft, the Su-57 is different from all other fighters, it can be safely called the “Russian giant”

- the journalist declares.

Summing up the article, the author comes to the conclusion that American fighters can hardly be called weak, but the outstanding characteristics of the Su-57 make them "envious of the Russians." And how such a powerful superpower can remain indifferent when an army of another country catches up to it.
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  1. neri73-r
    neri73-r 14 November 2019 12: 47
    +27
    Let's jump over first (release in a big series), and then say "Gop"!
    1. krot
      krot 14 November 2019 13: 02
      +4
      You need to be able to create this too! And gop, let's say, I agree! drinks
    2. GRF
      GRF 14 November 2019 13: 32
      -19
      Quote: neri73-r
      Let's jump over first (release in a big series), and then say "Gop"!

      and how much is a big series?
      more than the United States, NATO, China?
      How many do you need? how long will it be built? what resources will it become? how soon will the 6th, 7th generation appear?
      and will the gop turn into oops?
      You can rejoice and be proud of your achievements already, here and now.
      urrrryayayaya ....)
      1. neri73-r
        neri73-r 14 November 2019 13: 44
        +15
        Quote: GRF
        and how much is a big series?

        A large series is the amount that, from the point of view of our military, is enough to guarantee the protection of our state and to project power into other regions of the world. tongue
        1. GRF
          GRF 14 November 2019 14: 05
          -5
          thanks for the answer, I realized, gop you never say, but you will only wait for something, wait, ...
          and then, I know what will happen next, but you’ll also be offended)
          1. neri73-r
            neri73-r 14 November 2019 14: 17
            +3
            Quote: GRF
            thanks for the answer, I realized, gop you never say, but you will only wait for something, wait, ...
            and then, I know what will happen next, but you’ll also be offended)

            And what are your suggestions? (C) Katz offers to give up? (c) What are you talking about?
            You can rejoice and be proud of your achievements already, here and now.
            urrrryayayaya ....)

            what do you mean by that?
            1. Ehanatone
              Ehanatone 14 November 2019 14: 29
              -11
              "You can be happy and proud of your achievements already, here and now.
              urrrryayaya .... "
              "what is meant by this?"
              By this we mean, apparently, you need a classic:
              shouted women "urrrryayaya"
              and caps were thrown into the air! ...
              PYSY What I do not remember ...
              PYPYSY introduced such women, and I realized that I wouldn't drink so much to "urrrryayaya" ... laughing
        2. kuz363
          kuz363 15 November 2019 07: 06
          -2
          Aircraft cannot guarantee state protection.
          1. neri73-r
            neri73-r 15 November 2019 07: 20
            +1
            Quote: kuz363
            Aircraft cannot guarantee state protection.

            Nuclear weapons too! But somehow, without its presence, there is only one human reserve, provided that others have it, too.
      2. Ros 56
        Ros 56 14 November 2019 13: 48
        -2
        And it depends on the type of war and many many other factors.
      3. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 14 November 2019 16: 24
        -3
        Quote: GRF
        and will the gop turn into oops?
        Well, you got it, I don’t understand why, I put a plus. They are also kicking me now. I will give an excerpt of Evgeny Marchukov. According to current plans, in the coming years, the Russian aerospace forces will receive several of the first production Su-57 fighter jets. The first cars of this type will be equipped with so-called. engines of the first stage - TRDDF AL-41F1. In 2020, the second contract for the supply of serial equipment should appear. This time we are talking about the introduction of new engines. Part of the second series of fighters will be equipped with "30 Products". Serial production of such engines will be mastered by the company "ODK-Ufa engine-building production association." In the future, approximately in the mid-twenties, the new engine will become standard for all serial Su-57.

        Content Source: https://naukatehnika.com/novyj-dvigatel-dlya-su-57.html
        naukatehnika.com
        Everything seems to be fine, competently, but it’s all in the middle of the 20 years, so the 5 generation fighter will fly on the 4 generation engines before that. So, until the middle of 20 x, export is canceled (maybe). But it may happen that this engine awaits the fate of the NK-93, which was given the 3 flight and just took it off and deposited, and there were already 10 pieces, everything was ready for the series. 480 engine fuel per 1 kg traction per hour (0,48)
        Even the plane with NK-93 was hid from Putin by saw cutters Khristenko-Mansurov-Alyoshin.
      4. kuz363
        kuz363 15 November 2019 07: 05
        -2
        In terms of the number of aviation, the USA surpasses Russia by 3-4 times!
        1. Spektr
          Spektr 25 January 2020 18: 29
          0
          And in terms of efficiency? Outperforms or Loses? The assessments will show who "lives" in Russia, and who "passed by".
    3. Maz
      Maz 14 November 2019 14: 32
      -4
      As I understand it, ours just made it possible for Americans to slap a bunch of planes inferior to su_57. And while they spanked serial and expensive aircraft, the lads brought the equipment to perfect. And now, if we start slapping the su57 in series, the United States will have a weak aircraft in huge quantities, and we will stamp the pepelats far superior to them with supermetal. And if we give a license to China, it will be a horror for NATO and the United States. And it turns out we swore in vain, while the United States invested in a mediocre airplane, ours brought drying to mind. In those Nate pancake in a bathrobe.
      1. ℳy ℒiƒℯ
        ℳy ℒiƒℯ 14 November 2019 15: 05
        -5
        ours just made it possible for the Americans to slap a bunch of planes inferior to su_57

        Gave an opportunity laughing laughing laughing And if they hadn’t given it, then there would have been no f35?
        However, you are a good storyteller. You can make an excellent career on RenTV. If I were you, I would not hesitate and submitted a resume with a couple of such "analytical" works.
        1. Demon_is_ada
          Demon_is_ada 14 November 2019 16: 16
          0
          Do you know how Russia turned out to be the first in Internet services for the population around the world? Nothing close is even on the ball, neither in terms of accessibility, nor in speed tongue When the whole world, in particular the USA, developed and tried, we sat on the priest exactly, that's when the technologies rolled back and something more or less canonical was determined, we acquired technologies and added our own, and licenses, etc., etc. ... As a result, the Americans there’s a lot of old equipment that it’s too early to write off and the toad is strangling, and we have everything new ... Here 5G looms on the horizon (but it’s wireless, I talked about terrestrial networks) so China can bypass all wirelessly in the same way laughing
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 14 November 2019 16: 39
        0
        Quote: Maz
        And it turns out we swore in vain, while the United States invested in a mediocre airplane, ours brought drying to mind. In those Nate pancake in a bathrobe.

        Competent comment, but illiterate amateurs minus, but not you alone. It seems that people are not yet catching up with the fact that the 57th generation SU-5 flies on the 4th generation engine, and will fly until the mid-20s, when the 6th is already suitable. And who needs a wonderful plane with an excellent engine? Nobody. with the exception of the military and the people. There are no engines. SNTK named after Kuznetsov is being crushed and sawed (NK-93 was taken out of production) because they do not have foreign capital, even the people and businessmen of Samara were thrown to start this engine, when the lard was thrown on the "supeget"
        1. Local from the Volga
          Local from the Volga 14 November 2019 21: 29
          -1
          6th generation in the mid 20s ?! Probably India will have)))) and in the structure of Kuznetsov PJSC, you are poorly versed ...
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 14 November 2019 21: 37
            -1
            Quote: Local from the Volga
            You are poorly versed ...

            I love patriots, but I do not like amateurs. Thanks.
      3. valeryb
        valeryb 15 November 2019 17: 02
        0
        Quote: Maz
        And if we give China a license,
        Exactly, China must have a license. But Toko howled yesterday, how are we doing it to them, and they rewrote it and now they are selling ..... Oh Mikhan Mikhan.
    4. Alexander Petrov1
      Alexander Petrov1 14 November 2019 14: 56
      -4
      Well, compared to the F-35, it is better in aerodynamics, maneuverability, speed, and range of missiles, modern 5th generation engines will soon come up, well, and probably in electronics it is at least as good, because the electronics in the United States are strong ...
    5. tatarin_ru
      tatarin_ru 14 November 2019 16: 37
      0
      Let's jump over first (

      Well, yes, so many articles on this topic have already been published, most of them from Western sources.
      I want to see them in the sky and not as a prototype.
    6. Private-K
      Private-K 15 November 2019 08: 41
      0
      In 1939, the US military was miserable. In fact, there was only a strong fleet, and the NEs were something small, small at the level of sulfur. 20s.
      But, in the course of the next 4 years, they were filled with a variety of modern and excellent at that time weapons and logistic samples. It is believed that somehow it so happened that they were all developed for these years. From trucks (the best in the world for many years and become a model for everyone else) to "flying fortresses" of bombers (similarly); good anti-tank guns, good field howitzers, good medium tanks, good army armored personnel carriers and amphibious armored personnel carriers, a dozen types of amphibious assault ships from boats to huge transports, jeeps ... that even the uniform of the M42 model, which has dramatically gone ahead of everything that came before.
      It's a hint. Well prepared for the war - there is a chance to win and survive. But you need to prepare in advance - here is wisdom.
      Si vis pacem, para bellum.
  2. maxim947
    maxim947 14 November 2019 12: 48
    +1
    Somehow it’s not patriotic from the Chinese side)))
    The aircraft is undeniably excellent, the question remains small - to put it in the troops, and preferably in sufficient quantities.
    1. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 14 November 2019 12: 54
      +7
      Max hi
      Quote: maxim947
      Somehow it’s not patriotic from the Chinese side)))

      But har-r-roshaya hairpin in guzlo mattresses! good lol
      Quote: maxim947
      put it in the troops, and preferably in sufficient quantities.

      Not even discussed - it is necessary!
      1. cniza
        cniza 14 November 2019 13: 14
        +4
        It is very likely that it was not the Chinese who wrote the article, they would never have missed the opportunity to show off their planes ... Greetings! hi
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 14 November 2019 13: 16
          +8
          Hi Victor! hi To troll mattresses, you can also praise Zimbabwean weapons. wassat
          1. cniza
            cniza 14 November 2019 13: 19
            +5
            I think it’s better, then trolling will be of the highest category. lol
          2. Ros 56
            Ros 56 14 November 2019 13: 53
            0
            I can even do boomerangs, I did with the boys, it’s been true for a long time, but not the point. Launched at the stadium on the football field almost from the gates. So he bastard made a huge circle the size of a football field and returned to me. Dangerous thing. Then they started only in the field.
    2. Ural-4320
      Ural-4320 14 November 2019 13: 15
      +2
      The Chinese edition is like in a joke about how two Jews came to the rabbi to resolve the dispute, and he told both of them that each of them was right. Then the wife pointed out to the rabbi the contradiction in his own words, to which the rabbi replied: "and you are right, dear."
      1. Alien From
        Alien From 14 November 2019 13: 25
        -2
        Something suspiciously often such articles have recently slipped by from our narrow-eyed friends ...... they probably think that we will hang our ears and sell engines with a variable thrust vector to them ..... As long as the dragon and the eagle bite, we will 57 build hard!
        1. Ehanatone
          Ehanatone 14 November 2019 14: 44
          -1
          "They probably think that we will hang our ears and sell engines with variable thrust vector ..."
          And we sell them IM, together with the Su-35, and separately, as an accompaniment in maintenance! ...
          Here at VO there was recently an article about a lot, including about how they tried to transfer the production of turbines from one of our aircraft plants, to another our same aircraft factory ....
          it didn’t work out with the transfer of all technical documentation, it didn’t work out - because it’s almost art! ...
          the technician Petrov will die and that’s all if he doesn’t have time to tell the receiver: how and at what time it is necessary ...
          (shhh, and in what phase of the moon) say:
          Treksbeksyekstrakhtibidoh ..! ...
          and over which shoulder do not hesitate to spit in the direction of which boss ...
          ... and all will fail! ...
          There will be no turbine.! ...
          crying
          Something like this ...
          1. Alien From
            Alien From 14 November 2019 14: 55
            -5
            This is of course true) and you are exaggerating a little about Petrov’s technique). In fact, in the near future, it is unlikely that they will make a full copy!
          2. D16
            D16 14 November 2019 16: 38
            -2
            And we sell them IM, together with the Su-35, and separately, as an accompaniment in maintenance! ...

            Separately, they were offered AL-31FN ser. 4 for the J-10. It differs from the third series of OVTs, with a diameter increased by 3 mm of the first stage of the low pressure gear and thrust on afterburner 20 tons, digital SU. A sort of symbiosis from Al-13,5fn and products 31. As far as is known, the Chinese have not bought it yet.
    3. iConst
      iConst 14 November 2019 13: 58
      +2
      Quote: maxim947
      Somehow it’s not patriotic from the Chinese side)))
      The aircraft is undeniably excellent, the question remains small - to put it in the troops, and preferably in sufficient quantities.

      This is not the first article of this kind from Sina. I got the impression that the Chinese are harshly trolling their "Western partner". And rightly so. The West believes that only they have the right to throw at the fan. You can already hear squeaks in the style of "what about us?"
    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 14 November 2019 21: 39
      0
      Quote: maxim947
      The plane is undeniably excellent, the only question left is to put it in the troops

      And a new engine.
  3. Nestorych
    Nestorych 14 November 2019 12: 48
    -10
    As since 2003, the first production F-22 entered the army, they envy them, and they will envy them even more when our first SU-57 enters the army!))) In the meantime, even our heroes fly to the Su-35, they just updated it. ..
    1. Jerk
      Jerk 14 November 2019 12: 52
      +1
      F-22 - is it invisible with an ever-peeling stealth coating?


      This is by the way different litaki ...
      And they stopped releasing it, so that the Russians would not envy the F-22
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 14 November 2019 13: 39
        -7
        Quote: Jerk
        F-22 - is it invisible with an ever-peeling stealth coating?

        SU 57, "stealth" can be called with OOOA huge stretch ... some open engines are worth something.
      2. Crash_117
        Crash_117 14 November 2019 13: 42
        -9
        Quote: Jerk
        F-22 - is it invisible with an ever-peeling stealth coating?


        This is by the way different litaki ...
        And they stopped releasing it, so that the Russians would not envy the F-22

        And the SU-57 casing is crushed.
        1. Rusj
          Rusj 14 November 2019 14: 33
          +1
          Is it always bumped straight? Well, they crashed or during transportation or maybe in boxing! Well, as they say about cars, this does not affect speed.
        2. Thrall
          Thrall 14 November 2019 15: 57
          +2
          Quote: Crash_117
          And the SU-57 casing is crushed

          These are muscles smile
  4. book
    book 14 November 2019 12: 49
    +3
    American planes are outwardly clumsy; our planes are handsome. we are even armed with a sense of beauty
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 14 November 2019 13: 46
      -6
      Quote: book
      American planes are outwardly clumsy; our planes are handsome. we are even armed with a sense of beauty

      yes, we have a lot of beautiful equipment, but they also "mow" in some places ... helicopters, for example, "Apache" looks prettier (private opinion)
      1. Oyo Sarkazmi
        Oyo Sarkazmi 14 November 2019 14: 14
        +1
        Ours, it seems, with an armored capsule for the crew, and Apache has armored glass in front and an armored plate from below. And from the sides - foil.
  5. Thrall
    Thrall 14 November 2019 12: 49
    +14
    Americans may "burst with envy" looking at this modern aircraft

    Decanter sake to a table of Chinese experts from a table of British scientists smile
    1. Aleksandre
      Aleksandre 14 November 2019 13: 28
      +1
      Quote: Thrall
      Decanter sake to a table of Chinese experts from a table of British scientists smile

      Baiju bottle)
  6. rocket757
    rocket757 14 November 2019 12: 50
    +8
    Suppose everything is not over with the "penguin" .... they can implement some of their plans, and it will be a completely different calico ... although it will fly just like a "penguin", that is not his trick.
    With Su 57, nothing has, by and large, begun ... it will fly as before, cool, and the rest remains to be realized! Then we’ll see everything.
    In short, the most interesting ahead!
  7. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 14 November 2019 12: 53
    +3
    Some traitor wound up in Sina. After all, the whole Celestial Empire knows that it is their best
    "Black Eagle" ! wassat
  8. Berkut24
    Berkut24 14 November 2019 12: 55
    +3
    In China, the same publications either scold and doubt, or exalt and crown. Somehow it’s necessary to keep the reader in good shape, otherwise the business will be shaken by nasty words ...
  9. Sergey39
    Sergey39 14 November 2019 12: 59
    +2
    "when the army of another country overtakes it."
    Well, the SU-57 doesn’t catch up, but overtakes. The speed is higher.
  10. OlezhkaKravchenko
    OlezhkaKravchenko 14 November 2019 13: 02
    0
    We spent 30 times less on creating our fighter than the United States on the fu-35 and it turned out much better with us! How right Zadornov! All the same, we Russians are the smartest nation and this is a fact.
    1. Jack O'Neill
      Jack O'Neill 14 November 2019 13: 18
      -13
      All the same, we Russians, the smartest nation and this is a fact

      Do you know what Nazism is?
      1. bk316
        bk316 14 November 2019 13: 33
        +16
        Do you know what Nazism is?

        We know how not to know, it shows us the USA every day.
        Nazism is the imposition of values ​​and lifestyle on the whole world, justified by its exclusivity.
        1. Jack O'Neill
          Jack O'Neill 14 November 2019 14: 12
          -5
          We know how not to know, it shows us the USA every day.
          Nazism is the imposition of values ​​and lifestyle on the whole world, justified by its exclusivity.

          Nazism - a worldview that puts at the head of the world a certain nation (race or people)
          1. bk316
            bk316 14 November 2019 14: 56
            +5
            putting to the head World

            This is practically the same. The approval of the most intelligent Russians does not put anyone at the head of the world. Africans have the longest ones .... - THIS IS A FACT AND NOT ANY Nazism. And the Asians are the most hardworking, and the Jews are the most ... (put whatever you want)

            And here are the allegations
            1. Democratic values ​​are an absolute primacy.
            2. US Democracy Model
            IT NAZISM DIRECTLY BY YOUR DEFINITION BECAUSE PUTS THE USA WITH HIS PEOPLE AT THE TOP OF THE WORLD.
            1. Jack O'Neill
              Jack O'Neill 14 November 2019 15: 17
              -4
              Yes, there is a lot of Nazism in the States. Who argues with this?
              And yes, the Africans are longer, so it’s better not to go to friends with them. laughing
              I don’t distinguish good or bad, who is good or bad - I’m up to the bullet, which is why I can look at things soberly.
              Emotions are bad.)
              1. bk316
                bk316 14 November 2019 16: 19
                +3
                So why then
                All the same, we Russians are the smartest nation

                is it nazism
                Smart is not bad or good.
                1. Jack O'Neill
                  Jack O'Neill 15 November 2019 01: 55
                  -3
                  is it nazism
                  Smart is not bad or good.

                  Nice try.)
      2. kot423
        kot423 14 November 2019 13: 42
        +1
        Do not confuse warm with soft, Nazism and patriotism are two different things. And about the smart ones, this is for the former head of the Foreign Ministry of mattress, who told the whole world who these mattresses are.
        1. Jack O'Neill
          Jack O'Neill 14 November 2019 14: 14
          -6
          Do not confuse warm with soft, Nazism and patriotism are two different things.

          I studied well at school .. We went through both fascism and its subclass - Nazism. And I know very well that there is that.)
          And the allocation of a nation in comparison with others is Nazism. )
          1. kot423
            kot423 14 November 2019 14: 20
            +1
            Poorly studied apparently. In the context of the post above (which apparently hurt you), this is a statement of fact, both in cost (a first grader can compare the price tags) and in mental development (if the former Foreign Minister allows himself to make public statements about the right to stupidity of his nation - then what mental development for 1. those who put it there, 2. for a nation that shook it with applause)
            1. Jack O'Neill
              Jack O'Neill 14 November 2019 14: 23
              -3
              Poorly studied apparently. In the context of the post above (which apparently hurt you), this is a statement of fact, both in cost (a first grader can compare price tags) and in mental development

              Those. now it's called "statement of fact"?) Very funny.)
              No, I studied well, and the teacher was good.
              1. kot423
                kot423 14 November 2019 14: 28
                -1
                Apparently, it doesn’t matter, since you can’t comprehend the entire text you read (if possible) as a whole
                In the context of the post above
                1. Jack O'Neill
                  Jack O'Neill 14 November 2019 15: 09
                  -2
                  Apparently, it doesn’t matter, since you can’t comprehend the entire text you read (if possible) as a whole

                  Well, in the context I answered.
              2. tacet
                tacet 14 November 2019 15: 17
                -1
                The teacher is masculine. This is to "I studied well"
                1. Jack O'Neill
                  Jack O'Neill 14 November 2019 15: 21
                  -1
                  The teacher is masculine. This is to "I studied well"

                  Is this an attempt to throw a stone at my garden?
                  Well.) If a girl wrote an article, is she the author, or "authorization"?
                  Your address was wrong.
          2. bk316
            bk316 14 November 2019 15: 03
            +5
            And the allocation of a nation in comparison with others is Nazism.

            you apparently did not study there.
            What you just wrote is politically incorrect and not Nazism at all.
            Any nation is somewhat different from others BY DEFINITION. Otherwise, it simply cannot be distinguished. It differs genetically and differs mentally, the magnitude of this difference and the assessment of the consequences of this difference are the subject of discussion, but the fact of the difference is indisputable.

            The mantra "FSE people are the same" is a liberal cliche for cattle, not for the elite laughing
            1. Jack O'Neill
              Jack O'Neill 14 November 2019 15: 11
              -4
              The mantra "FSE people are the same" is a liberal cliché for cattle, not for the elite laughing

              Racial differences are slightly different. Someone is Asian, someone is Slav, someone is African-American.
              People differ only in appearance, but inside we are all the same. And man, strangely enough, is built by society.
              With whom you lead, that will be typed.
              1. bk316
                bk316 14 November 2019 16: 25
                +5
                People differ only in appearance, but inside we are all the same.

                Do not write nonsense. Call on a Russian (or generally European) and Yakut. Take a bottle of beer and give it a drink. And see how the behavior changes. DIFFERENT GENETICS INFLUENCES NOT ONLY ON EXTERNALITY, BUT ON BEHAVIOR - CHEMISM IS DIFFERENT.

                Regarding the impact of society and genetics on the brain, the issue is debated.
                1. Jack O'Neill
                  Jack O'Neill 15 November 2019 01: 54
                  -2
                  Lol, tell me what chemistry Europeans have. Their blood is still green, right?
      3. parkello
        parkello 14 November 2019 13: 56
        +1
        this, what you highlighted in bold is not Nazism. but chauvinism. and Nazism, as the bk316 user has already said, imposing his values ​​on the world, ignoring other values ​​or completely depreciating them, knowing about his error, but they believe in it sacredly. Nazism, nationalism, chauvinism and fascism, these are two completely different phenomena. having something in common with each other. but not being one. so to speak, the philosophy of Italian fascism, German Nazism, Georgian chauvinism and Greek nationalism are very different in their beliefs and in what they believe. the fascists (investigators of Musolini’s teachings) had the roots of the aristocracy, and against this background they felt superior to the rest of the masses, German Nazism was more oriented towards the whole nation as the very same, Georgian chauvinism, this inability to realize its inferiority and therefore falling into megalomania, they are capable of ignore the truth. and Greek nationalism is based on the patriotism of the masses, on the love of the motherland and its history, on what the Greek can do, he will do better than anyone, not because he is the best. but because he does not shy from the teachings of others if it is true, and will do better because it will take into account all the shortcomings ahead of those who walked. they try to make their country better, but not at the expense of the slave labor of other nations, but at the expense of their own efforts and love for the motherland. you won’t do well from under the stick ... but you yourself can make love and patience and do better.
    2. 1970mk
      1970mk 14 November 2019 13: 55
      -5
      Is there a fighter? Do you have engines, shock complex? Strange)))
      1. D16
        D16 14 November 2019 15: 11
        0
        Strange)))

        It would be strange if he flew to Syria without engines and without weapons.
        1. 1970mk
          1970mk 14 November 2019 15: 17
          -4
          Are you Delirious? What engines did he fly with and what did he do there except as "shown"? There is no engine for it yet .... "the other day" they promise to do it .... the shock complex has not yet been finalized at all ... Go to the manufacturer's website ... go out to the KB and then patriotically "talk nonsense" .... Or though would like to read the press about it, what and when the Su-57 should be developed.
          1. D16
            D16 14 November 2019 15: 36
            +1
            That is, he was dragged to Syria in a cargo plane, and put on the strip for a satellite photo shoot lol laughing . Thoughts that the aircraft will be upgraded in the process of military operation, you basically do not allow. And that Mzdel 30 is not just doing the size of the current Al-41. After all, the Chinese were impressed by the current capabilities of the aircraft. He has no idea about promising ones.
    3. ℳy ℒiƒℯ
      ℳy ℒiƒℯ 14 November 2019 15: 13
      -5
      We spent on the creation of our fighter 30 times less than the United States on the fu-35

      Tune up the Su-27 and at the same time leave it on the engines of the old generation? Well yes. It would be strange if it cost more than a fundamentally new developed platform with a lot of features.
  11. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 14 November 2019 13: 05
    +2
    Something Chinese journalists have been "carried away" lately ...
    1. cniza
      cniza 14 November 2019 13: 15
      +8
      Sounds like a new trolling style ...
    2. Crash_117
      Crash_117 14 November 2019 13: 29
      -13
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Something Chinese journalists have been "carried away" lately ...

      Why, fake news, like the Tu-160 left afterburner from the F-35, the local crowd swallowed with pleasure.
  12. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 14 November 2019 13: 14
    +1
    In some ways, the Chinese are right. F-22 is becoming obsolete slowly. And there are only 6 combat squadrons in the Air Force. But the United States does not have a new fighter to achieve air superiority. Americans are thinking about a new concept. And time is running out.
    1. askort154
      askort154 14 November 2019 14: 46
      +6
      voyaka uh ... But the United States does not have a new fighter to achieve air superiority. Americans are thinking about a new concept. And time is running out.

      The collapse of the USSR made its adjustments to the military-industrial complex race.
      While Russia is being restored on the wreckage of the USSR, and the untwisted flywheel of the US military-industrial complex did not slow down, but continued to "rivet" everything that was intended for confrontation, not particularly caring about promising developments for the future. Now their surpluses - half have been preserved, half are "sold" to their allies,
      intimidating everyone with Russian "aggression".
      They did not count on the quick recovery of the most powerful Soviet military-industrial complex, and idly dozed at
      your achieved. And suddenly, the Soviet-Russian military-industrial complex, suddenly began to revive. At the same time, successfully using the promising developments of their "grandfathers", and modern "know-how" of the 21st century, taking into account foreign achievements and mistakes.
      At the same time, having obtained the desired result, "they do not rush into the pool with their heads", but make small series, soberly assessing that there will be no "big war", and it is expensive and not advisable to force the entire territory of Russia with tanks and aircraft. Modern technologies do not change over decades, as before, but over the years and months. Where does the United States go now with hundreds of f-35s, F-22s, they are not needed today in such a volume, and tomorrow they will become obsolete. So the "allies" have to push them obsessively. Russia has a sober approach to this topic. You can't drag it into the arms race. Funds are allocated only for promising developments, and having achieved the result, they are in no hurry
      to produce thousandth series, knowing that in 5-10 years, this will no longer be "know-how". A good example of the Su-57 - leisurely, taking into account foreign developments and mistakes, we created a platform and base for mass production. They decided not to "rivet" in hundreds, but to make a minimum, and in the process of operation to make the inevitable, as in all types of weapons, improvements. hi
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 14 November 2019 15: 10
        -2
        Not quite as you described. When the Soviet military-industrial complex slowed down due to the collapse of the USSR, the Americans also pressed the brake. Therefore, only 187 F-22s were released, and not several hundred, as was intended.
        Now they regret it. But not only because of the restoration of the Russian military-industrial complex. And, mainly, due to the fact that China jumped into the world arena rapidly, like a devil from a snuffbox. Su-57 is good, but the plant’s capacity is scanty. At the same time, the Chinese J-20 appeared, which, most likely, is worse than the Su-57, but is being released at a fast pace. The second full squadron in the formation process. When the Chinese already have 6 squadrons, the Americans will have 4-5 squadrons of F-22. And it will be difficult for them.
        The F-35 has its own extensive niche fighter-bomber instead of the F-16, F-18 and Harrier.
        And they designed it (taking into account the problem of "rigidity" of the F-22) flexibly, counting in advance on many upgrades.
        1. askort154
          askort154 14 November 2019 15: 44
          +3
          voyaka uh Now they regret it. But not only because of the restoration of the Russian military-industrial complex. And, mainly, due to the fact that China jumped into the world arena rapidly, like a devil out of a snuffbox

          I wrote about the USA and Russia. The USA began to fear China for the last 5-10 years.
          Before that, they considered China to be their "cheap factory", which they themselves created, tearing it away from the USSR. Now they realized their mistake, and they are trying
          keep the "noose" around China's neck. And the "loop" is mutual - 1,3 trillion.
          No one expected China to make such a giant leap in economy and armaments in just 35 years. The Anglo-Saxons should know that "Budvar will not stand two." They have only one option - to drive a wedge between Russia and China again. How they did it in the 60s
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 14 November 2019 16: 04
            -6
            "to drive a wedge between Russia and China again" ////
            ----
            China today is so strong that it chooses with whom to be friends / not to be friends and how. And Russia is now a "younger brother" for China, and not vice versa, as it was in the 50s and 60s.
            A real wedge between China and the USSR arose in Damansky. The evil Anglo-Saxons have nothing to do with this.
            1. askort154
              askort154 14 November 2019 16: 23
              +2
              voyaka uh ....A real wedge between China and the USSR arose in Damansky. The evil Anglo-Saxons have nothing to do with this.

              "Disagreements" between the USSR and China began after the 20th Congress of the CPSU.
              Gle Khrushchev "debunked" Stalin. Mao was deeply offended; Stalin was a political "idol" for him. Relations began to cool down.
              The CIA and Mi-6, right there! An irreversible process of China's separation from the USSR began, and this was done cunningly, through the economy. Anglo-Saxon corporations entered China like a ferret in a chicken coop. The events in Damansky, this is already 1969, is a "stamp" on a real break in relations. yes
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 14 November 2019 16: 40
                -6
                "CIA and Mi-6, right there!" ////
                ----
                From them both floods and crop failures laughing right here!

                China opened its industrial zones to foreign factories - cheap labor and no bureaucracy. Rushed there all who are not lazy and wanted to earn. Without the CIA.
                And the Chinese are smart people! - grabbed the advanced Western technologies and became a superpower in 30 years.
                1. askort154
                  askort154 14 November 2019 17: 17
                  +3
                  voyaka uh .... Without the CIA.

                  Naturally! CIA and Mi-6 - quietly and modestly sit in their countries,
                  and with tears in their eyes, they watch on TV how, in one country, then in another, coups and "color revolutions" take place. And China in general, somewhere far, far away.
                  Why should they be interested? There, people are smart, they themselves know who to be friends with. If they make a mistake, then we will certainly come to the rescue.
                  wink
                  All run away. hi
        2. SETSET
          SETSET 15 November 2019 13: 34
          +2
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Su-57 is good, but the capacity of the plant scanty.

          Level of nearwriting nonsense against Russian weapons according to their training manual!
    2. Elephant
      Elephant 14 November 2019 15: 22
      -1
      But they have undeniable superiority in marketing, estimate the number of orders in all countries! Air superiority is not only a catch-up game, but also the capabilities of existing weapon systems, radars, etc.
    3. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 14 November 2019 19: 42
      -1
      Americans are thinking about a new concept. And time is running out.
      Nothing, then they will buy J 20 from China.
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    1. Jack O'Neill
      Jack O'Neill 14 November 2019 14: 20
      -4
      As I understand it, it became the norm for VO to link to Chinese sites with a yellow press?
      One bike about the TU-160 and F-35 what it costs.

      The bike is not a bike, but something else surprised. The people, apparently not knowing the F-35 concept, began to simply lower the plane. And what's funny, they were told that this was not the entrance to his tasks. The result is zero!
      But if the SR-71 had also left MiG-23 for example, then they would have written that intercepting such aircraft is not part of MiG’s tasks.
      Simply put: for the most part they read only the headline, without delving into the gist. From this they take what is convenient for them and consciously ignore logic.
      I notice this very often, too often.
      1. Crash_117
        Crash_117 14 November 2019 14: 28
        -7
        The bike is not the bike

        Based on the fact that no one wrote about this anymore, and all the publications just referred to Chinese jaundice, it speaks for itself.
        And the rest I completely agree with you.
        1. Jack O'Neill
          Jack O'Neill 14 November 2019 15: 13
          -4
          Based on the fact that no one wrote about this anymore, and all the publications just referred to Chinese jaundice, it speaks for itself.
          And the rest I completely agree with you.

          The fact that not a single serious media has announced this, yet yes, says that this is a fake.
  14. 1970mk
    1970mk 14 November 2019 13: 48
    -4
    Well this is just LAUGHTER! Not only that, the Su-57 is not at all in the configuration that should be ... These are trifles ... Did the Chinese journalist say something? Yes, the Chinese claimed that the Su-57 is simply G in comparison with their 5th generation! That's who the Americans envy?
    1. D16
      D16 14 November 2019 15: 19
      0
      That is, the first serial this year will go to the service of an understaffed? wassat
      Share your revelation about when and in what configuration it should be winked
      1. 1970mk
        1970mk 14 November 2019 15: 37
        -2
        Find out in the press what KB SU says about when they will have an engine and stuff ..... Everyone speaks Russian ..... you rave about something)))
        1. D16
          D16 14 November 2019 15: 46
          +1
          I know very well what they are talking about in the Russian-language press. And I know very well that product 30 will eventually fall into place of product 117. The Chinese are writing about the aircraft that is in the present tense. Maybe you looked at the record of aerobatics and were impressed laughing . He has no idea what will happen after modernization. The main thing is that those 36+ tons of thrust have already been laid in the airframe design and you will not have to modify it.
          1. 1970mk
            1970mk 14 November 2019 18: 09
            -3
            Chinese writes about what is? It's funny))) And if YOU know something, you should understand that with the existing Su-57 engines in general it does not correspond to the 5th generation ....
            1. D16
              D16 14 November 2019 18: 42
              0
              Chinese writes about what is? Funny)))

              What else can he know if the test program for the new engine is not completed?
              I must understand that with the existing engines the Su-57 generally does not correspond to the 5th generation ....

              And who are the judges? (C) lol The F-35 in MTOW without afterburner has lower power-to-weight ratio than the 57th with current engines. There is no data about the Chinese, but given its geometrical dimensions and Al-31FN engines, it is still sadder there. Above only the Raptor.
  15. Hog
    Hog 14 November 2019 14: 01
    -2
    From the article by order and rushing
    1. D16
      D16 14 November 2019 14: 56
      +1
      From the article by order and rushing

      That is, when the Chinese praised their clumsy log with a Russian engine, everything was smooth, and then suddenly they sold offal lol .
      1. Hog
        Hog 14 November 2019 19: 12
        -2
        Quote: D16
        That is, when the Chinese praised their clumsy log with a Russian engine, everything was smooth, and then suddenly they sold offal lol .

        Well, no one forbids his praise.
        I think there’s an article here where they praise the F-35, such a Haight would have risen.
        1. D16
          D16 14 November 2019 19: 35
          -2
          If they only praised their own. I perceive this article as an attempt to restore justice after those tubs of slops that the Chinese poured on the 57th.
  16. LEYBSHTandArts.
    LEYBSHTandArts. 14 November 2019 14: 15
    -14
    A plane for the poor, so they called it, and then the author’s imagination.
    1. D16
      D16 14 November 2019 14: 50
      +1
      Airplane for the poor

      But is this not a fantasy of another author? lol
    2. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 14 November 2019 19: 44
      +1
      But fu 35 for the rich, who have their own quirks.
    3. Serg65
      Serg65 15 November 2019 08: 46
      +2
      Quote: leybshtandartss
      author’s fantasy.

      what fig yourself on the site, even the Nazis in the rank of essayists present?
  17. Joker62
    Joker62 14 November 2019 14: 43
    +1
    Quote: Maz
    And if we give China a license

    In no case! China cannot be trusted with a production license like that!
    They didn’t pay a penny for Kalash when the USSR transferred a production license to China!
    But the Indians - it is possible, they strictly abide by the rules of the production license.
  18. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 14 November 2019 15: 30
    -1
    If I were paid money for articles ... I would write such every day.
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  21. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 14 November 2019 19: 35
    0
    the author writes that the new Russian fighter has excellent stealth capabilities
    That's how journalists measure them all the time? request
  22. GibSoN
    GibSoN 14 November 2019 19: 38
    -3
    Sina: US envies new Russian stealth fighter Su-57
    Yo mine! And what, there is something to envy? There is a certain concept. With a certain set of conditional TTXs .. Which, in general, are either very secret, or they won’t be able to verify them anyway .. Flies? Well, it flies no better than the same Su-30, Su-35 ... Everything else, in general, is generally sucked out of a finger. That is, in fact, one can envy only how the local authorities learned to beautifully and competently manipulate public opinion. Although Sina and public opinion? Well, well, at least there’s something to talk about so far ...
  23. fa2998
    fa2998 14 November 2019 19: 45
    -4
    Quote: Alexander Petrov1
    5th generation modern engines coming up soon

    We’ve heard everything for about 10 years, soon, soon, soon. There is nothing to envy, there is no plane, there are no engines. And there is nothing to compare it with the F-35. His opponent is the F-22. Old, no longer in production. crying hi
  24. kuz363
    kuz363 15 November 2019 07: 03
    0
    The final will be similar to Armata. It turned out that it was too expensive, and his fate in a real battle was not clear. Cheaper old tanks to upgrade.
  25. Alexey from Perm
    Alexey from Perm 15 November 2019 08: 52
    +1
    "The USA will burst with envy" - writes a Chinese about Russian technology. More delirium is difficult to think of))
  26. Maalkavianin
    Maalkavianin 15 November 2019 15: 34
    +1
    The Chinese article is clearly custom-made. Ours, apparently, was a little dumped on them by RMB. :-)
  27. ochakow703
    ochakow703 16 November 2019 05: 27
    -1
    Quote: GRF
    thanks for the answer, I realized, gop you never say, but you will only wait for something, wait, ...

    Uuuuuuu how it all started ... was ill, however.
  28. Eroma
    Eroma 31 January 2020 18: 44
    0
    The Chinese as teenagers are brought in by either Su57 full fu, then invincible super!