Yars ICBM for rail-based developed in Russia

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Yars ICBM for rail-based developed in Russia

In Russia, a unified missile system "Yars" was developed with the possibility of basing on various carriers, including railway cars. This was stated by the creator of the Topol-M, Yars and Bulava ballistic missiles, the general designer of the Moscow Institute of Heat Engineering, academician of the RAS Yuri Solomonov in an interview with the magazine "National Defense".

According to Solomonov, Russia has created a ground-based complex with a single Yars rocket, which can be based on various types of carriers: from a mine to a train. The same is true with the Bulava submarine strategic missile system - it is unified with the individual Topol-M and Yars ground systems.



We created the Topol-M missile system, now the Yars for different types of basing: for mobile ground, for mine, and for railway - everywhere a single missile

- he said.

It should be noted that if the rearmament of the Strategic Missile Forces to the mine and mobile Yars rocket systems of the new generation is in full swing, then News on the resumption of the project BZHRK, at least official, not yet.

In early October of this year, Igor Korotchenko, editor-in-chief of the National Defense magazine, expressed the view that Russia could revive the Barguzin military railway missile complex (BZHRK) project or create a new mobile ground-based missile complex in response to the development by the United States of medium-sized and shorter range.

Earlier, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov, answering the question whether Russia will return to the BZHRK project after the US withdraws from the INF Treaty, replied that this was unlikely to happen, but added that it was his personal opinion.

Recall that the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation announced the start of work on the Barguzin military railway missile complex (BZHRK) project in the 2012 year, the Yars rocket was chosen for it, and at the end of the 2014 year it was reported that the project was closed. As the Russian media wrote, the development was postponed indefinitely. However, it was reported that development work was fully carried out on the project, and missile throw tests for the complex were also successfully conducted. Later information appeared that the resumption of work on it is possible if the military-political situation changes.

The development of the BZHRK was conducted by the Moscow Heat Engineering Institute, taking into account the experience of creating its predecessor - the BZHRK with the Molodets rocket (RT-23 UTTH, according to NATO classification - SS-24 "Scalpel"). "

During the Soviet era, there were three divisions in the Strategic Missile Forces, each comprising four Good Forces combat missiles. Thus, twelve "nuclear trains" carried 36 missiles, each of which carried 10 warheads. BZHRK utilization took place in 2003-2006.
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    1. +2
      14 November 2019 10: 38
      Previously, the BZHRK disguised itself as a re-section. Now refrigerators are living out their life (the service life is extended to the 21st year, they do not plan to continue to renew it), therefore, it is necessary to mask for something else
      1. +19
        14 November 2019 10: 40
        Russia made car building from scratch + launched the production of rolling stock. After the USSR, there was practically nothing left in this direction. And now a whole line of wagons and all kinds of tractors. over the past + -15 years, Russia has created the production of passenger rolling stock, which had never been in Russia before.
        So now - it will be necessary to make a refrigerator - they will. For Russia, unlike, this is not a problem. And in Riga and the Hungarians do not need to buy anything.

        1. +13
          14 November 2019 10: 46
          Russia made car building from scratch

          Well, not straight from scratch. Have you heard of barber carts? And about SKF bearings, brando, timken? Innovative wagons with 25t per axle ride on these carts and ours, made on the basis of the same barber. These are freight carts, passenger rockets will not stand. Accordingly, developers need to think under what kind of freight rolling stock to mask them. Maybe they have already come up with.
          So now - it will be necessary to make a refrigerator - they will.

          The question is not what to do. Bzhrk hid on the basis of the massive use of such cars.
          1. 0
            14 November 2019 10: 52
            Well, not straight from scratch


            Well, I agree. Yes
          2. +5
            14 November 2019 13: 23
            The more nuclear deterrence systems defend our homeland, the safer our life will be.
            There is a groundwork for the production of BZHRK - excellent, the ideas for the "Petrel" are amazing, the Poseidon carriers are being launched into series - great!
            The enemy must know - in any case, he will be destroyed!
            No options!
          3. +2
            14 November 2019 18: 44
            Judging by how the salmon Putin was covered in detail in the media today, it can be assumed that the Pr-in (especially with such huge money in a stash!) Would not mind that the people should be fed DV salmon, flounder and saury, and for This requires both infrastructure and rolling stock, so I don’t think that there will be problems in creating simulators-refrigerators for the Strategic Rocket Forces. At the same time, authorities can introduce wild fines against owners of trawlers for allegedly malfunctioning a GLONASS transponder on a ship. If you add bonus border guards, then catching poachers with transhipment of fish into the sea will become easier than light and DV-fish at an affordable cost will reappear in Russian freezers.
      2. +2
        14 November 2019 10: 46
        For a passenger train, for example. The "refsection" of the eight-axle cars under the three locomotives was very striking.
        1. +12
          14 November 2019 10: 52
          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          For a passenger train, for example. The "refsection" of the eight-axle cars under the three locomotives was very striking.

          Quite possible. Now the rockets have become lighter and double-decker passenger cars have appeared. So you can not bother with refrigerators.
          1. +5
            14 November 2019 12: 34
            Yes, even under Mineral fertilizers.
            And you can make a train with different-sized wagons - Pullman, oil tanks, gas tanks, mineral fertilizers, flour.
            And let half of the cars on the train be empty and "real".
            On the next flight, they can be shuffled for extra. stealth.
            And make refrigerated trains to distract enemy intelligence.
            And let it light up a little.
            Fuck then who will find a real train))))
            1. +2
              14 November 2019 15: 25
              There is enough luminous goods without them, and these trains at stations are served by ordinary car inspectors and signalmen. Radiation protection suits for Russian Railways employees are not provided for at work
          2. -1
            14 November 2019 20: 56
            Quote: Piramidon
            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            For a passenger train, for example. The "refsection" of the eight-axle cars under the three locomotives was very striking.

            Quite possible. Now the rockets have become lighter and double-decker passenger cars have appeared. So you can not bother with refrigerators.


            And where do you get a bunch of lettering events at the stations ???
            All your attempts to hide the train itself will be in full view of the support measures ...
            1. -1
              15 November 2019 15: 49
              "Letter" events and numbers can also be canceled.
              Here it is in the instructions.
              You can split events into arbitrarily small parts.
              Moreover, the most important and noticeable - an overly frequent replacement of the path with windows in the movement schedule (damn it, once I got into such a window large) now is not required.
              New BZHRK can walk on old rotten sleepers
        2. -1
          15 November 2019 15: 53
          As far as I remember from the "leaks", the assignment for Barguzin was a sub-theme of creating a powerful and reliable locomotive from two or even one section, but with a "double" filling.
          Just to replace the three-section tax that catches your eye.
          Of course, the "dual" locomotive
      3. +1
        14 November 2019 11: 01
        Let, disguise, under the fuel tank. Such ,, composition ,, - any country is glad .-)
        1. +16
          14 November 2019 11: 50
          Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
          Let, disguise, under the fuel tank.

          It is better on the contrary - to mask tanks under the rocket, for example, using foam overhead elements and resp. coloring books. Imagine a picture: thousands of rockets of 3 meter diameter rush across the vastness of Russia! wassat In the CIA and the State Department, all employees will turn gray in a day.
          1. +2
            15 November 2019 06: 55
            And this is a topic! good Disguise is the other way around ...
            I imagined that crowds of people walk around the streets with weapons imitators, but some have real guns ... How can I find an attacker? This is horror for law enforcement.
            I do not call for such stop just cited as an example.
      4. -6
        14 November 2019 11: 04
        Quote: BISMARCK94
        therefore it is necessary to disguise as something else

        yeah, under the wood round timber))
      5. +19
        14 November 2019 11: 25
        Quote: BISMARCK94
        need to disguise as something else

        You can under the wagon-zak. At the same time, the militarized security has an understandable purpose. laughing Or a container train with two to five postal and luggage ones under the PU is also possible. And in containers "Club-K" 40 pieces. Let them ride along the western borders. In a day, you can assemble a strategic strike force anywhere in the European part of Russia. This is me talking about the statements of the Foreign Ministry that while it is quiet in Europe, the Russian Federation will not deploy the INF Treaty in the European direction. For two days from Chita it will be possible to adjust the "gifts" for every taste. lol
        1. +4
          14 November 2019 12: 21
          Also thought about Wagon-Zak, the most logical solution. It stands in the corner of the station, a windowless trailer with security.
          And we have a lot of wagons. And they go all sorts of unexpected routes.
        2. -4
          14 November 2019 14: 51
          Yeah .. Our S.V. Lavrov, in which case and confirm, ,, This is a composition with convicted by court sentences. There are dogs, there are, -)
          1. +1
            14 November 2019 15: 29
            Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
            Lavrov, in which case and confirm- ,, This is a conviction

            Lavrov spoke about the INF. We have PUs for them, among other things, they are designed as standard 20-foot and 40-foot containers. There, prisoners do not need to hide. Just load and carry.
      6. +1
        14 November 2019 12: 11
        It is necessary to mask under garbage trucks. An orange dump truck is driving itself, and no one knows what joy it carries
    2. +1
      14 November 2019 10: 40
      Again, our enemies pichalka ...
      Now our liberals will howl!
      "Why are you provoking an arms race?"
      Let's give this money to "pioneers and pensioners", and everyone will be happy!
    3. +3
      14 November 2019 10: 40
      BZHRK was disposed of in 2003-2006.
      The "partners" said they were peaceful and good fellow
      1. +1
        14 November 2019 10: 46
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        The "partners" said they were peaceful and good

        Yeah, white and fluffy!

        Like these ones.
        1. +1
          14 November 2019 11: 48
          Quote: Victor_B
          Like these ones.

          maybe all the same?
          1. +1
            14 November 2019 13: 24
            Quote: Mouse
            maybe all the same?

            Do not offend the animals. Man, as a rational creature, is much worse than any animal, for he is greedy and insatiable.
            1. +2
              14 November 2019 14: 09
              Quote: Den717
              Quote: Mouse
              maybe all the same?

              Do not offend the animals. Man, as a rational creature, is much worse than any animal, for he is greedy and insatiable.

              The more I get to know people, the more I love dogs ...
              Something like this....
        2. +1
          14 November 2019 13: 46
          "Yeah, white and fluffy!"
          Sure sure !
          Soon, probably the second century will go, as Australia does not know how, precisely from such pretty little savior.! ...
          Yes, Australia - the whole world does not know how to get rid of such fluffy elfomakrats, which a couple of centuries ago, a fool from Russia e2 did not give naglia to put them on a barbecue, now they are going to do the same with the whole world, including great-grandmother, naglyu! ..
          create one !! ...
          Elves, damn it, who knows what is in their radiant face of a child!
        3. +3
          15 November 2019 00: 40
          Quote: Victor_B
          Like these ones.

          How sweet. laughing
      2. +2
        14 November 2019 10: 47
        Volodya, salute! hi
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        The "partners" said they were peaceful and good

        And the "zhentelmen" are taken to take their word for it. wink
        There is no news about the resumption of the BZHRK project, at least official

        And they will not be. While BZHRK does not go on the rails. bully
        1. +10
          14 November 2019 11: 26
          pasha hi Yes, for me, let a dozen BZHRK ride around the country, even without official reports!
          1. +6
            14 November 2019 11: 30
            I agree to all 200%!

        2. -7
          14 November 2019 14: 01
          "And they will not be. Until the BZHRK goes on the rails."
          Nuuu ..
          Wait, it’s customary with us, to tell what has nothing ..., to invent a hacker, not later than next Saturday, and to collect, then already in the amount of 100500 no later than Friday etc. etc. ...
          And then it’s long and interesting to explain that this is the best thing, actually a joke, and actually it wasn’t for us to eat vegetables anymore !! ...
          Nikohda! ...
          Something like this ..
      3. +16
        14 November 2019 11: 30
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        The "partners" said they were peaceful and good

        Russia has never lived as badly as in the days of friendship, sucking with the USA. So friendship with the USA is the worst sanction! Yes
        1. +14
          14 November 2019 11: 37
          Quote: Mouse
          friendship with usa
          Mouse hi
          And those of our friends with the United States are the biggest tragedy for the country! am
          1. +1
            14 November 2019 11: 42
            undoubtedly !!! hi
      4. 0
        14 November 2019 19: 40
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        The "partners" said they were peaceful and good

        Yes, there were no options - the deadlines for fuel for the missiles were long gone, and there was nowhere to reload, because the Pavlograd plant in terms of TT for ICBMs died back in the 90s.
        Solid fuel ICBMs are good for everyone until it comes to fuel and shelf life. smile
    4. +6
      14 November 2019 10: 42
      Yuri Solomonov a long summer.
      And peace be upon academicians V. Utkin (had to communicate) and A. Utkina
    5. 0
      14 November 2019 10: 46
      Something tells me that the bzhrk is already slowly riding through the expanses of the country. But we will not know about it.
      My hunch is based on:
      1. The rocket is ready.
      2. The train is ready to launch the rocket.
      3. Push the yars control system into the carriage; there are no particular problems with the same blocks as on the soil complex.
      4. The locomotive is tep-70bs, drags a swallow and means bzhrk drags into the lung.
      So it turns out that everything is there and, in principle, back in 2017 it was ready.
      5. It is visually not realistic to distinguish a modern bzhrk from a postal baggage car. The yar weighs 50 tons. Ur 100ttth weighs 100 tons. For this, you need a car on four-axle carts, a regular two-axle cart is enough for yars, and everything else is now easier.
      So I won’t be surprised that such trains quietly quietly harbor the expanses of the Motherland.
      1. -3
        14 November 2019 11: 04
        2. The train is ready to launch the rocket.
        Did someone see him somewhere? And do you think that you can simply load a new rocket onto old cars?
        1. 0
          14 November 2019 13: 27
          Throw tests are carried out either from the test bench or from the launcher, therefore, the rocket is already in service, it is not necessary to test it, you need to test the car and carry out Throw tests from it, which is written in the article by T. E. The launch platform was almost ready in 2017.
          They won’t show him to me either. I’ve seen the bjrk live, I’ve covered the whole outside.
          There is also an interesting book about bzhrk well done which I read, and yes my comment is just a hunch.
          I saw a transport car for maces and it very much resembles a car from a bjrk well done. They showed it like that on TV.
          And what do you think of the mace from the factory to the place of loading in Sq. Delivered by plane? Not exactly what is on the train.
          1. +1
            14 November 2019 16: 43
            Well, I think that starting and transport cars are two different things. From the word at all. wink
            1. +1
              14 November 2019 17: 16
              Well, not so much at all, there is no system to install the car on supports, there is no contact rail removal system, there is no hydraulic lift for the TPC, but everything else should be in theory.
              Yes, on the transport roof does not open, but at the start it opens, this is not the point.
              No one, having attached such a product to an ordinary freight carrier, therefore there is a special train where there will be a command post and a spare locomotive and a fuel car and a headquarters car and a barracks car. Such trains cannot stop in the middle of the landfill.
              In general, plenty of space for imagination.
              1. +2
                15 November 2019 00: 47
                Quote: jayich
                contact rail removal systems
                belay Really BRPM?! (Military missile subway train). wassat Although if
                Quote: jayich
                hitching on among
                then perhaps yes. Amen. Yes laughing
      2. -13
        14 November 2019 11: 06
        Yeah rambling, learn to write correctly
        1. 0
          14 November 2019 11: 47
          Quote: LuVad
          Yeah rambling, learn to write correctly

          What, a bore teacher, got fired from school? Have you decided to check the "dictations" here? By the way, after "aha", you need to put a comma. Sit down, two. You will bring your mother to school tomorrow. laughing
      3. -7
        14 November 2019 11: 07
        All ICBMs and warheads are counted and locations are open to the Americans under a nuclear arms reduction treaty. And vice versa, Russians have the right to check any locations of American ICBMs.
        1. +3
          14 November 2019 11: 45
          At any time, this agreement can be terminated, as the Americans with the INF Treaty have already done, having previously violated it.
        2. 0
          14 November 2019 13: 47
          The missile is counted correctly at the factory, maybe even its serial number is known, but no one will know where it left the factory (if you don’t sit in this car), and today there are agreements - tomorrow there is no more, a piece of paper for which everyone has one the moment will become irrelevant, as was always the case, all contracts well, almost all were violated and forgotten.
          And yes, it’s quite possible to assemble a bzhrk from modular blocks somewhere in a godforsaken tunnel, given that in the Urals there is a whole underground city that even had its own electric train.
          Well, what comes the composition of the bare cars from the factory, from the other comes the control units, from the third missile, all of this is assembled into a single whole and under the cover of night, blizzards, a hurricane dissolves on the network of Russian Railways.
          And it’s quite possible to do it, whoever knows what it is there that the Russians are doing underground.
      4. -4
        14 November 2019 11: 44
        You can’t launch a rocket under the counter, so you need a regular diesel locomotive and a branch without a counter.
        1. +2
          14 November 2019 11: 56
          Quote: _Sergey_
          You won’t launch a rocket under the counter, so you need a regular diesel locomotive and branch without a branch.

          At the BZHRK, devices were provided for diverting the contact wire to the side. And if it comes to a combat launch, the wire can simply be cut off.
          1. -2
            14 November 2019 12: 00
            We had the Barnaul-Lokot-Kulunda-Barnaul branch, 1 passenger and freight cars went along it, and the BRZK went along it. He was dragging an ordinary diesel locomotive and there was no contact network, with the exception of only near Barnaul. Start could be made from any point of the way.
            1. 0
              14 November 2019 14: 59
              Route 6 of the regiment of the 36th division, about launching from anywhere there was a problem and there were forbidden sections, but this is to the missile. soldier
            2. 0
              14 November 2019 15: 10
              Quote: _Sergey_
              We had the Barnaul-Lokot-Kulunda-Barnaul branch, 1 passenger and freight cars went along it, and the BRZK went along it. He was dragging an ordinary diesel locomotive and there was no contact network, with the exception of only near Barnaul. Start could be made from any point of the way.

              Quote: _Sergey_
              You can’t launch a rocket under the counter, so you need a regular diesel locomotive and a branch without a counter.

              BZHRK "Molodets" launched missiles from under the "kontashka". What you have is just a coincidence. In my Perm Territory, all the paths along which the BZHRK went are completely electrified.
            3. 0
              14 November 2019 15: 22
              Quote: _Sergey_
              We had the Barnaul-Lokot-Kulunda-Barnaul branch, 1 passenger and freight cars went along it, and the BRZK went along it.

              I do not say anything, but from Kinel station to Orsk station almost 800 km. Railway in the region and all without electric traction, on diesel locomotives. Yes, and from Orsk to Chelyaba also a diesel locomotive. Well, somehow.
              1. +1
                14 November 2019 21: 02
                Quote: Captain45
                Quote: _Sergey_
                We had the Barnaul-Lokot-Kulunda-Barnaul branch, 1 passenger and freight cars went along it, and the BRZK went along it.

                I do not say anything, but from Kinel station to Orsk station almost 800 km. Railway in the region and all without electric traction, on diesel locomotives. Yes, and from Orsk to Chelyaba also a diesel locomotive. Well, somehow.


                For BRZHK - need increased bearing capacity of the railway track.
                the branch from Kinel to Orsk - does not apply to such. One Neprik what it costs
          2. SOF
            0
            14 November 2019 12: 11
            Quote: Piramidon
            devices were provided


            ... I believe that you could take it away once ....
        2. -4
          14 November 2019 12: 39
          Teach materiel.
          Well, at least the old one.
          Everything was invented before us
        3. 0
          14 November 2019 19: 09
          Do not invent: the overhead line tap-off equipment was tested at the Molodets BZHRK, therefore, the new equipment will be already with the letter 2 or 2M.
          Non-contact SPECIALIZED parking lots and branches with limited access are also configured enough, like roads with diesel traction.
        4. +2
          14 November 2019 19: 43
          Quote: _Sergey_
          You can’t launch a rocket under the counter, so you need a regular diesel locomotive and a branch without a counter.


          Get acquainted - the device of tap and short circuit of a contact network.
          It is also an eternal headache for the developers of the complex, because for some reason, the sensors on this device constantly failed, interrupting the launch preparation cycle. That is, the device actually worked, there is no contact network in the way of the glass, but the system did not receive data about it - and that's it, start-up is impossible.
          1. +2
            14 November 2019 20: 30
            Now they have solved the problem, and on our electronic battery, although it is bulky, but plowing. The main thing is integration into the Perimeter is provided!
      5. 0
        14 November 2019 15: 14
        Quote: jayich
        Something tells me that the bzhrk is already slowly riding through the expanses of the country.

        Nobody rides anywhere. Each BZHRK had an RPM in the form of a very large base with its own depot, stations, storage, maintenance, changing wagon trolleys, etc. Existing bases are eliminated. The emergence of a new base of such infrastructure will be immediately detected and announced.
        At the PPD BZHRK "Molodets" I was personally after the liquidation of the latter. I am familiar with all the objects and the scale of the territory on which the entire infrastructure was located. You can hide all this from visual detection. But not from space reconnaissance assets.
        1. 0
          14 November 2019 16: 36
          That's exactly what is difficult, but not possible. And given how many abandoned facilities we have left in Siberia and the Far East, why not.
          Well, somewhere the military will appear in a godforsaken godfather, no one will not pay attention to it.
          Let’s say the service base for the mat part in his city is at least 3 places, but no 4 I know and no one will guess that the warriors have dug in there.
          But most likely they are not in the metal, although anyone who knows him from the sofa is not visible.
          Yes, new and then it is not necessary to use the base of defense plants and factories of the military space industry.
          But dreaming is not bad.
          1. 0
            15 November 2019 07: 11
            Quote: jayich
            Well, somewhere the military will appear in a godforsaken godfather, no one will not pay attention to it.

            You are very far from understanding the scale of construction of such an object.
      6. -2
        14 November 2019 21: 00
        Quote: jayich
        Something tells me that the bzhrk is already slowly riding through the expanses of the country. But we will not know about it.
        My hunch is based on:
        1. The rocket is ready.
        2. The train is ready to launch the rocket.
        3. Push the yars control system into the carriage; there are no particular problems with the same blocks as on the soil complex.
        4. The locomotive is tep-70bs, drags a swallow and means bzhrk drags into the lung.
        So it turns out that everything is there and, in principle, back in 2017 it was ready.
        5. It is visually not realistic to distinguish a modern bzhrk from a postal baggage car. The yar weighs 50 tons. Ur 100ttth weighs 100 tons. For this, you need a car on four-axle carts, a regular two-axle cart is enough for yars, and everything else is now easier.
        So I won’t be surprised that such trains quietly quietly harbor the expanses of the Motherland.


        Carrying rockets is one thing.
        And to organize a launch pad from wagons for launching a rocket from a rail track is quite another ...


        Who will organize the protection of such trains at stations?
        What forces will be involved?
        Do you understand it or not?

        I see. what not ...

        Send your guess far, far ...
        She has nothing to do with reality.
        1. +6
          15 November 2019 01: 04
          Quote: SovAr238A
          And to organize a launch pad from wagons for launching a rocket from a rail track is quite another ...

          belay What, to the devil, is the table? wassat The missile start at the BZHRK was originally a mortar, with a "bounce" to the side. And only after that the marching ones were launched. And so it would be an oil painting: after each launch, change both the mobile and the infra, and, possibly, even
          part L / C. laughing
          Who will organize the protection of such trains at stations?
          Hmm ... How would it be easier ... In short, THESE trains absolutely have no reason to hang around at the stations. Supply? Yes, no question, especially for these trains.
          And there’s another oil painting: it slows down at the platform of the BZHRK, the dispatcher on the speakerphone announces the parking lot, and the guys go to the camo to buy beer and nausea from the grandmothers on the platform. I would give a lot to see this ... fellow
          1. -1
            15 November 2019 18: 38
            Quote: Paranoid50
            Quote: SovAr238A
            And to organize a launch pad from wagons for launching a rocket from a rail track is quite another ...

            belay What, to the devil, is the table? wassat The missile start at the BZHRK was originally a mortar, with a "bounce" to the side.

            Those. you do not know that before the start of the wagons are connected to each other in a really rigid coupling with special hydraulic devices?
            no don't you know? And the question is - why was this necessary, except as an imitation of a stable starting table?


            Quote: Paranoid50

            Hmm ... How would it be easier ... In short, THESE trains absolutely have no reason to hang around at the stations. Supply? Yes, no question, especially for these trains.
            And there’s another oil painting: it slows down at the platform of the BZHRK, the dispatcher on the speakerphone announces the parking lot, and the guys go to the camo to buy beer and nausea from the grandmothers on the platform. I would give a lot to see this ... fellow


            if you want a real concealment of a missile train - it is obliged to drive along public roads, and pass through public stations, it must be invisible, i.e. civilian.
            with the change of the locomotive at the junction stations, where the locomotives change on ordinary civil trains ...
            He should stand on ordinary tracks, where there are civilian trains.
            He must change the team there. where the brigades are changing.
            Otherwise, it will always be noticeable and they will always know about it ...

            Because before its passage it will be necessary to check the paths and embankments on the subject of terrorism.
            At the stations, separate territories should be allocated ...

            And the price of such stealth is worthless.

            Self-deception it will be.
            1. +3
              15 November 2019 23: 51
              Quote: SovAr238A
              Self-deception it will be.

              Self-deception will only be, and paranoia is already here. Yes wassat
    6. +1
      14 November 2019 10: 47
      Yuri Solomonov in 2009 resigned of his own free will from the post of general designer of the Moscow Institute of Heat Engineering after the first unsuccessful launches of the Bulava SLBM. Therefore, the development of the unified Yars ICBM was carried out without his participation.

      Now academician Solomonov is known for his books, articles and interviews, where he promotes the idea of ​​the backwardness of rocket designs developed in other Soviet and Russian design bureaus.
      1. +1
        14 November 2019 19: 22
        Come on, be lenient to the maestro: after all, his assertiveness can be taken for courage. And on the other hand, he, with this Mace, SO SUFFERED that now every mention of a successful launch to him would surely be heard in the form of sweet music.
        By the way, last week there was a clarification that there were no problems with the launch of the Bulava from the White Sea ...
    7. -3
      14 November 2019 11: 12
      I did not understand at all - was it created or put into production?
      1. -2
        14 November 2019 11: 31
        large-scale, yeah
      2. 0
        14 November 2019 14: 14
        "I don't understand at all - was it created or put into production?"
        Not created and not launched! ...
        And in general, somewhere recently in VO someone long and tedious, with technical characteristics, explained that the fellow was not particularly invisible even in the socialist totalitarian eSSSR, ...
        And it doesn’t do well for you, vaabche the vegetable where you quietly drag, so that about five - ten agents do not hit! laughing ...
        ...
    8. 0
      14 November 2019 11: 25
      Quote: s-t Petrov
      Russia made car building from scratch

      Our trains are the most train trains in the world. laughing
      1. -1
        14 November 2019 12: 21
        Our trains are the most train trains in the world.

        Well, they are already exporting. then won the competition
    9. 0
      14 November 2019 11: 54
      Just a process of expanding the operational capabilities of the forces of nuclear deterrence.
      Everything must be done as NECESSARY.
      1. +2
        14 November 2019 12: 24
        Yeah, now they will try to negotiate with us ... Greetings! hi
        1. 0
          14 November 2019 12: 34
          Hello Victor soldier
          Quote: cniza
          will now try to negotiate with us

          On each side there are those who are able to negotiate and make responsible decisions!
          The question is what roles they are on ...
          I don’t want to see the booth again and again, where all kinds of rage are raging, but there are no doctors and orderlies there.
    10. +1
      14 November 2019 12: 20
      We created the Topol-M missile system, now the Yars for different types of basing: for mobile ground, for mine, and for railway - everywhere a single missile


      New Barguzin, now the universal howl will rise ... they will go to negotiations faster and will be more accommodating.
    11. -2
      14 November 2019 12: 41
      Well, not exactly YaRS, but slightly redone. It gets into a regular car.
    12. -3
      14 November 2019 13: 09
      Earlier, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov, answering the question whether Russia will return to the BZHRK project after the US withdraws from the INF Treaty, replied that this was unlikely to happen, but added that it was his personal opinion.

      I would like to hope that with this "personal" opinion, not everyone agrees in the General Staff of the RF Ministry of Defense.
    13. +4
      14 November 2019 13: 39
      The development of the BZHRK was conducted by the Moscow Heat Engineering Institute, taking into account the experience of creating its predecessor - the BZHRK with the Molodets rocket (RT-23 UTTH, according to NATO classification - SS-24 "Scalpel"). "

      What nonsense? Since when did MIT suddenly develop the Molodets BZHRK with the RT-23 UTTH rocket ??? This rocket was created at the Yuzhnoye NPO in Dnepropetrovsk ...

      Quote: BISMARCK94
      Previously, the BZHRK disguised itself as a re-section. Now refrigerators are living out their life (the service life is extended to the 21st year, they do not plan to continue to renew it), therefore, it is necessary to mask for something else

      Everything is simpler. No need to create BZHRK. Moreover, it was planned to deploy just one division of 5 regiments of 6 missiles each.
      Spending hundreds of billions on a complex is stupid. Moreover, the deployment of additional regiments in the PGRK divisions will be much cheaper. Three regiments of PGRK - this is the same as in this division of the BZHRK. But at the same time they can be spaced thousands of kilometers apart.
      IMHO, the cessation of the development of BZHRK in general, or at least for 2027, suggests that Mo is still sensible people ...

      Quote: jayich
      Something tells me that the bzhrk is already slowly riding through the expanses of the country. But we will not know about it.
      My hunch is based on:
      1. The rocket is ready.
      2. The train is ready to launch the rocket.
      3. Push the yars control system into the carriage; there are no particular problems with the same blocks as on the soil complex.
      4. The locomotive is tep-70bs, drags a swallow and means bzhrk drags into the lung.
      So it turns out that everything is there and, in principle, back in 2017 it was ready.
      5. It is visually not realistic to distinguish a modern bzhrk from a postal baggage car. The yar weighs 50 tons. Ur 100ttth weighs 100 tons. For this, you need a car on four-axle carts, a regular two-axle cart is enough for yars, and everything else is now easier.
      So I won’t be surprised that such trains quietly quietly harbor the expanses of the Motherland.

      But for a change you do not need to experience. They just set it up, not knowing how the rocket will behave when starting from the railway car and go?
      They could plow, but here is one problem. There are no permanent deployment points for them. From the word at all. And they furrow you ... Well, well

      Quote: Monar
      2. The train is ready to launch the rocket.
      Did someone see him somewhere? And do you think that you can simply load a new rocket onto old cars?

      No one saw him. What they could do to Maxim was to give TTT to the car-building plant to develop such a car. Of course, they could draw on paper. Even on a computer in 3D graphics. And all ... There is no TK for the development of the complex - there is no TK for the development of individual fragments of the complex. And there dofiga how much you need to develop. The same KP of the launch module and KP of the regiment, transmitting the radio center of the regiment, cars of technological equipment, DES. Not to mention such trifles as an autonomous reserve car, a tank car, a dining room and a couple of dormitory cars for personnel

      Quote: _Sergey_
      We had the Barnaul-Lokot-Kulunda-Barnaul branch, 1 passenger and freight cars went along it, and the BRZK went along it. He was dragging an ordinary diesel locomotive and there was no contact network, with the exception of only near Barnaul. Start could be made from any point of the way.

      And since when was the BDRK division in Barnaul? And the train was dragged not ONE, but THREE diesel locomotives. This was due to the objectives of this complex. He could at some point leave the command and auxiliary modules in the field position, and three locomotives transported three autonomous launch modules to the required distance, so that in case of which one BG would not cover it. And on the new one, almost one locomotive is being planned. The probability of hitting all 6 launchers at once increases many times

      Quote: SOF
      I believe that you could take it away once ....

      Drawing - linden. Especially its lower part. For the old - "Molodets" complex, the number of cars is much less than it was in reality. For the new - "Barguzin" - too

      Quote: Operator
      Yuri Solomonov in 2009 resigned of his own free will from the post of general designer of the Moscow Institute of Heat Engineering after the first unsuccessful launches of the Bulava SLBM. Therefore, the development of the unified Yars ICBM was carried out without his participation.

      Now academician Solomonov is known for his books, articles and interviews, where he promotes the idea of ​​the backwardness of rocket designs developed in other Soviet and Russian design bureaus.

      As always, with aplomb and "past the basin". I quote from the site "Heroes of the Country"

      The head of work on the creation of Bulava missiles for nuclear submarines. After a series of unsuccessful launches and in the midst of a deep conflict in the sphere of senior military-state leadership in 2009 resigned as director of the institute.
      Since 2009 - General Designer of the Moscow Institute of Heat Engineering. After
      reorganization, since September 2010 - General Designer for ground-based missile systems, and at present - First Deputy General Director - General Designer of the Moscow Institute of Heat Engineering.

      And when did he quit his job as general designer? Is it okay that the first test launch of the Yars product took place on May 29, 2007 at the Plesetsk test site? So he could not participate in the development of Yars, the first launch of which took place in 2007, because he "quit" in 2009 ??? Yes, Andrey, you have completely lost your shores
      1. +1
        14 November 2019 15: 03
        A colleague now the people will have a brain explosion, you have so convincingly laid out everything. hi
        1. -2
          14 November 2019 15: 29
          Quote: prapor55
          A colleague now the people will have a brain explosion, you have so convincingly laid out everything.
          ,
          admit it - your real last name is Solomon? Yes, right? laughing
          1. +1
            14 November 2019 17: 19
            I will name my position. Engineer of the movement group department, and what did you have to do with the BZHRK?
    14. +1
      14 November 2019 14: 28
      Quote: askort154
      I would like to hope that with this "personal" opinion, not everyone agrees in the General Staff of the RF Ministry of Defense.

      The majority seems to agree with this opinion. For they shut down the project, and at least until 2017. But rather "for good"

      Quote: Dzafdet
      Well, not exactly YaRS, but slightly redone. It gets into a regular car.

      Nobody canceled the modifications. There is simply "Yars", there is "Yars-M", there is "Yars-S", there is "Yars with a number". But the rocket is universal ...

      Quote: jayich
      The missile is counted correctly at the factory, maybe even its serial number is known, but no one will know where it left the factory (if you don’t sit in this car), and today there are agreements - tomorrow there is no more, a piece of paper for which everyone has one the moment will become irrelevant, as was always the case, all contracts well, almost all were violated and forgotten.
      And yes, it’s quite possible to assemble a bzhrk from modular blocks somewhere in a godforsaken tunnel, given that in the Urals there is a whole underground city that even had its own electric train.

      Completely wrong. This was in the early 2000s, when the previous agreement was still in force, the Americans were sitting in Votkinsk and could check the serial numbers of the products. Now control is carried out at the place of deployment. They put another regiment on alert and informed the "sworn friends". They came with an inspection, counted the number of launchers, and possibly the number of BGs (since now the number of blocks is different from what existed before).
      Collect BZHRK in the tunnel? That is, "on the knee"? Yeah. And you know that the same "Molodets", after leaving the plant in Pavlograd, stood on a special platform, opened the roof of the launchers and stood there for several days until the adversary took a picture of him and counted the number of missiles in the train. Collect in the tunnel, of course, you can, if before that you ask the Americans to turn off all their reconnaissance satellites. They and their NATO allies and sneakily drag the wagons there ...

      Quote: jayich
      Well, what comes the composition of bare cars from the factory, from the other comes the control units, from the third missile, all of this is going to be a whole and under the cover of night, blizzards, a hurricane dissolves on the network of Russian Railways. And it’s quite possible to do it, whoever knows what it is there that the Russians are doing underground.

      Well, that's right. And what for to shoot from a rocket already delivered to the BZHRK. The main secrecy. And the fact that it doesn’t get out of the car, or there will be jambs during assembly, is not the main thing. Top secrecy

      Quote: jayich
      Throwing tests are carried out either from the test bench or from the launcher, therefore the rocket is already in service, it is not necessary to test it, you need to test the car and conduct Throwing tests from it, which is written in the article by T.E. The launch platform was almost ready in 2017. .

      Only with them? The missile may be in service, but the complex is not. And a test cycle will be needed, starting from throwing and ending with the BSS. They are testing not only the rocket, but also the complex itself, all its components. And this is secretly and quickly impossible to do.
      And there were no tests from the carriage (flight) NO ONE. This means that the launch platform is not ready for operation

      Quote: jayich
      They won’t show him to me either, I’ve seen the bjrk live, I’ve covered the whole outside ..

      And this is not a problem. The emasculated version of this complex stands at one of Moscow stations

      Quote: jayich
      There is also an interesting book about bzhrk well done which I read, and yes my comment is just a hunch. I saw a transport car for maces and it very much resembles a car from a bjrk well done. They showed it like that on TV.

      The transport carriage for the Bulava is in no way reminiscent of the carriage from the Molodets BZHRK. Is it only that both carriages, and the one and the other, have no windows. This is where the similarities end. The Bulava transport car has an end loading door. At the launcher BZHRK - the roof opens. The number of bogies and their axle are also different ...

      Quote: jayich
      And what do you think of the mace from the factory to the place of loading in Sq. Delivered by plane? Not exactly what is on the train.

      Do you think everyone is stupid?
      1. 0
        14 November 2019 17: 02
        In the tunnel it is figurative, and if it is a full-fledged nuclear industry plant located underground, with your own rembase, consider it a small plant, then why not assemble it.
        And who said that there were no tests? The fact that they don’t talk about it and do not write well well.
        Tests need to be carried out by itself, no one argues about this, but it is possible to test separately individual elements of blocks up to the limit, up to the car as a whole.
        Yes, a hitch with holding a throw from the composition but everything else I do not see the impossibility.
        What is not shown to the Americans and to the whole world is not an argument yet; it would be possible to put a will on a treaty.
        In principle, bzhrk is not particularly needed, and if they stopped development and even figs with it. Dreaming is no longer possible. Immediately they will instruct the minuses and with a cry they will prove that it is impossible.
        Yes dibilov over the past five years has become quite a lot on B0 and sometimes reading komenty is not funny, but even disgusting.
        1. 0
          14 November 2019 21: 10
          Quote: jayich

          Yes dibilov over the past five years has become quite a lot on B0 and sometimes reading komenty is not funny, but even disgusting.


          Oh. how did you talk to the mirror ...
    15. -1
      14 November 2019 14: 56
      and recently in an article about the triad wept that there is no bzhrk
    16. +2
      14 November 2019 15: 12
      Quote: Charik
      and recently in an article about the triad wept that there is no bzhrk

      And thank God that not. Pushing giant money into a system that you can do without is not the best option.

      Quote: prapor55
      A colleague now the people will have a brain explosion, you have so convincingly laid out everything. hi

      Rather, they give me a bunch of minuses. How so - encroached on the holy laughing, on the BZHRK
      1. -1
        14 November 2019 15: 18
        Well, maybe, like me, if it's not a secret where they served?
    17. +1
      14 November 2019 15: 25
      Quote: prapor55
      Well, maybe, like me, if it's not a secret where they served?

      I'm from the trades. State technical commission. And friends served both at the BZHRK (Perm) and at the "Gorn" and in Yury ... I was there only for work. And you, as far as I remember, were in the locomotive and sat
      1. 0
        14 November 2019 17: 22
        Yes, that’s exactly how I had a conclusion on the main move, so I traveled to my sections with all the regiments of the division. soldier
    18. +3
      14 November 2019 16: 41
      Quote: Old26
      Rather, they give me a bunch of minuses.

      As expected. There was again some kind of anonymous minuser who puts a minus to everyone, regardless of who writes what laughing
    19. +1
      14 November 2019 18: 22
      Quote: jayich
      It’s figurative in the tunnel, and if it’s a full-fledged nuclear industry plant located underground, consider it a small plant with your own rembase, then why not put it together ..

      The nuclear industry is one thing. But collecting a rocket train there is the same as offering to do the same inside, for example, an elevator. There is a room. And the fact that in neither one nor the other case is nothing adapted for this - these are trifles. So?

      Quote: jayich
      And who said that there were no tests? The fact that they don’t talk about it and do not write well well.

      All flight tests are carried out according to the same methodology. Namely: about a week before the test, a message is issued banning the flight of aircraft and the passage of ships in certain areas. In addition, the time of the test is reported to the same Americans, so that they do not consider that we launched a nuclear missile attack. They do the same thing. After that, all such materials usually migrate to open resources associated with launches. And there you can read everything that interests you.
      Date, launch time, type of carrier, serial numbers (when what), direction of flight, in whose interests the test was carried out, payload (warheads, possibly their type), number of warheads. Is this not enough? if you want to track such launches, you can use various resources, from Wikipedia to specialized resources

      Quote: jayich
      Tests need to be carried out by itself, no one argues about this, but it is possible to test separately individual elements of blocks up to the limit, up to the car as a whole. .

      Testing individual elements is most often factory testing. But the test of the complex - including joint state tests of the whole complex are under the full program, and the number of launches can be calculated in the amount of tens of launches. How are you going to hide them?

      Quote: jayich
      Yes, a hitch with holding a throw from the composition but everything else I do not see the impossibility.

      Throwers are the simplest of the tests. PAD throws the product out of the TPK. It is possible to turn on the motors of the first stages for a few seconds. These tests may not be shown to "partners". But everything else will just take place under the close supervision of our "sworn friends"

      Quote: jayich
      What is not shown to the Americans and to the whole world is not an argument yet; it would be possible to put a will on a treaty.

      This is just an argument. Sometimes 2-3 dozen inspections take place a year. And an attempt to deceive the "partner" will be revealed very quickly. Tellingly, in strategic agreements, both parties try to fulfill everything that is required under the Agreement. Minor violations were finished on both sides, but were usually resolved without the participation of the media
      It is possible to withdraw from the contract, but none of the parties is not profitable.
    20. +1
      14 November 2019 18: 33
      Quote: prapor55
      Yes, that’s exactly how I had a conclusion on the main move, so I traveled to my sections with all the regiments of the division. soldier

      By the way, Alexander! You 5-7 years ago did not "shine" on the site yasnay ​​in the topic BZHRK. Together with Storen, Actinometer, Petrov? We spoke in particular about the numbers of locomotives
      1. +1
        15 November 2019 06: 52
        Yes, it was me, I accidentally found this site. There I had problems with the computer and indeed the period in my life was not so hot.
    21. 0
      14 November 2019 21: 35
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4mIS64YTgw
    22. 0
      15 November 2019 11: 52
      To the phrase "We don't need ... an aircraft carrier, Poseidon, Petrel, Peresvet, Su-57, Armata ... (underline the necessary)" urgently add "BZHRK" !!! And give money to retirees, of course laughing
    23. +2
      15 November 2019 14: 43
      Quote: prapor55
      Yes, it was me, I accidentally found this site. There I had problems with the computer and indeed the period in my life was not so hot.

      Well, I’m glad to see you, albeit on a different resource. I myself have not visited some for several years, although I read ...
      Of those who were then familiar with the Actinometer, they had a very tight contact with Storen a couple of years ago
      1. 0
        15 November 2019 19: 41
        Storin is a pro of the highest category. hi
    24. +2
      15 November 2019 21: 53
      Quote: prapor55
      Storin is a pro of the highest category. hi

      That's for sure. A man with encyclopedic knowledge. It was always pleasant to talk with him. Once, among his photos, he posted his photograph, which photographed his brother-in-law. On it he is in a general's uniform. I congratulated him, though he said that it was a jest of a son-in-law ...

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