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Su-30СМ Belorussia Air Force equipped with French ILS Thales HUD 3022

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Su-30СМ Belorussia Air Force equipped with French ILS Thales HUD 3022

The new Russian Su-30СМ fighters, delivered by the Air Force of the Republic of Belarus, are equipped with an indicator against the background of a windshield (HLS) of the French production Thales HUD 3022 (CTH 3022).


The first pair of Russian Su-30СМ, delivered by the Belarusian Air Force 13 on November this year, is equipped with an indicator on the background of the windshield (ILS) of the French production Thales HUD 3022 (CTH 3022), as well as French multifunctional full-color liquid crystal displays Thales SMD55S (5х5 inches) rear cockpit.

French-made IFS data were installed on Su-30СМ multi-functional fighters before the introduction of sanctions against the Russian military-industrial complex in 2014 due to the annexation of Crimea. As part of the import substitution in 2015, it was announced that further from the end of the year collimator wide-format indicators will be installed against the background of the IKSh-1M windshield developed by Ramenskoye Instrument-Making Design Bureau of Concern Radioelectronic Technologies JSC (KRET, part of Rostec Group of Companies) .


Su-30СМ with number 01 "red" with installed French ILS Thales HUD 3022

It is known that tests were conducted with Russian HLS at that time, however, it is not known whether the IKSH-1M HMIs were subsequently installed on the Russian Su-30SM.


The French ILS Thales HUD 3022 was originally developed for Dassault Rafale fighters, they were installed on the Su-30MKM of the Malaysian Air Force, the Su-30СМ of the Air Force of Kazakhstan and now the Su-30СМ of the Air Force of Belarus. This is not surprising, since, most likely, the customer chose the fighters in this particular configuration, purchased French ILS, and it was not difficult to deliver them, since the Su-30СМ was originally produced with them.

The MiKS-1K, MiG-29СМТ and Su-29С fighters were equipped with Russian indicators IKSH-35М, whether they are now installed on the Su-30СМ for Russian airborne forces as part of import substitution or fighters continue to fly with the French - it is not known.
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  1. rocket757
    rocket757 14 November 2019 09: 22 New
    +16
    Dealing with foreign countries is fraught with "surprises" in the military sphere!
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 14 November 2019 09: 27 New
      +7
      You can use the arrows .... CIS can make a choice ... and the choice was made in favor of the French.
      1. Alexander Petrov1
        Alexander Petrov1 14 November 2019 16: 09 New
        -2
        This is how the French six of the United States will impose sanctions against Belarus and Kazakhstan and our allies will contact us to put them Russian electronic systems, other people's mistakes (that is, Russia with NATO ship engines MTU) do not teach anyone ...
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 14 November 2019 09: 29 New
      +15
      A choice?

      You can put the old Soviet, slightly improved. In principle, he will also perform the task. But this is at the level of a stone knife of the late Neolithic and modern for cutting meat. And that, and others to cut the meat will come out. But there are nuances.

      You can put IKSH-1M - which is essentially an adaptation for this aircraft. But it’s obvious that the product is not going very well.

      Under the Su-30 Irkut, several variations of imported HLS and other electronic equipment were originally assembled. However, they were selected more for the customer. Well, that is - to Indians with Elbit Systems stuffing. Muslims with Thales / Philips. Etc.
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 14 November 2019 10: 01 New
        +6
        Yeah. And also, as on IL 2, apply marks on the windshield with a pencil!)
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 14 November 2019 10: 10 New
          +5
          The customer, in this case, in his own right ... is not a question.
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 14 November 2019 10: 22 New
            +7
            Hi Victor! soldier As I understand it, the criteria “quality” and “price” were guided by the choice between Russian and French devices. Apparently, French appliances have an advantage in some ways ...
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 14 November 2019 11: 11 New
              +7
              hello Pasha soldier
              Quote: bouncyhunter
              Apparently, French appliances have an advantage in some ways ...

              The French are serial products. Price and quality, like all serial, proven, on the level and affordable. In addition, they do not stand still and continue to improve the product.
              We have an industrial, technological base of the electronic industry / production, as it were, during the recovery period ... we are not doing everything, the quality has not been worked out and ... there are many more problems, including price-quality ratio!
              Hope the problem is resolved. The sooner, the better.
              1. bouncyhunter
                bouncyhunter 14 November 2019 11: 13 New
                +6
                Quote: rocket757
                Hope the problem is resolved. The sooner, the better.

                Totally agree with you . A start has been made - it is necessary to develop.
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 14 November 2019 11: 17 New
                  +3
                  Quote: bouncyhunter
                  A start has been made - it is necessary to develop.

                  We will see ... I want to see a POSITIVE result.
                  Tired of groaning, grumbling and repeating like a mantra - Don’t make the old mistakes, do it right right away! "-
              2. Fff
                Fff 15 November 2019 13: 48 New
                +1
                With ILS in conjunction is a communication system, and a navigation system. So in addition to the Thales HUD 3022 HUD, there is also Thales INCOM-1012A, or something with different numbers, and the inertia Sagem-Sigma coordinate system with INS / GPS
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 15 November 2019 14: 07 New
                  0
                  Those. compatibility problem, when trying to connect not sharpened specifically for this kit.
                  For experts, this is obvious.
                  In short, if anything, the customer’s head will hurt not childishly.
          2. SSR
            SSR 14 November 2019 11: 20 New
            +3
            Quote: rocket757
            The customer, in this case, in his own right ... is not a question.

            In my humble opinion, the question is different.
            1. Despite the sanctions, equipment was purchased and installed.
            2. And "if" all of a sudden sanctions, how to fulfill a customer order?
            It’s just that all this “sanctioning” and at the same time “import substitution” is starting to spill over with the colors of the trade war and not with the drawn rags and Ukraine.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 14 November 2019 11: 46 New
              +1
              As if the customer should understand, if that, then he himself will have to "rustle".
              Quote: SSR
              It’s just that all this “sanctioning” and at the same time “import substitution” is starting to spill over with the colors of the trade war and not with the drawn rags and Ukraine.

              no matter how it is transfused, it is not infinite, in principle.
              1. SSR
                SSR 14 November 2019 11: 54 New
                +2
                Quote: rocket757
                As if the customer should understand, if that, then he himself will have to "rustle".

                Well, the Indians are doing this, supplying orders to foreigners, installing on our military equipment, the development of Israelis and French, including.
                It’s just one thing when the supplier has shipped and further fully serviced, or cannot fulfill the order due to sanctions and begins to dodge ..
                The client should not worry about dancing with a tambourine, he needs his product, then he can do almost anything with him and preferably within the framework of the contract. Conditionally
                Why am I going to scribble stretching the terms and equipment of the "German" if I can get it faster and even though the Japanese are more expensive, I will start production today and not in the "foreseeable" future.
        2. Piramidon
          Piramidon 14 November 2019 10: 42 New
          +1
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          Yeah. And also, as on IL 2, apply marks on the windshield with a pencil!)

          They say that on the IL-4 the navigator put his foot on the glazing and aimed at it. Like, half a boot to the goal - reset. Maybe bikes. request
          1. novel66
            novel66 14 November 2019 11: 13 New
            +7
            well, on the boot something else was aimed at the first world war, a proven way
            1. Nikolai Grek
              Nikolai Grek 14 November 2019 22: 42 New
              +4
              Quote: novel xnumx
              well, on the boot something else was aimed at the first world war, a proven way

              laughing laughing laughing good
              1. novel66
                novel66 15 November 2019 07: 24 New
                +4
                yes, Kohl, there were difficult times, I want to fight but it doesn’t work, at least spit on each other
                1. Nikolai Grek
                  Nikolai Grek 16 November 2019 02: 18 New
                  +2
                  with all the tragic content of the phrase, it sounds, of course, rzhachno !!! lol lol lol
      2. Invoce
        Invoce 14 November 2019 15: 15 New
        0
        The process is not as fast as we would like. OCD is still coming. And the fact that there will be domestic - no doubt
      3. Alexander Petrov1
        Alexander Petrov1 14 November 2019 19: 55 New
        -4
        Well, when they are sanctioned by our "French NATO friends", then they will resort to our adaptation IKSH-1M ...
    3. Ivan Ivanov
      Ivan Ivanov 14 November 2019 20: 57 New
      0
      Quote: rocket757
      Dealing with foreign countries is fraught with "surprises" in the military sphere!

      To put it mildly - in fact this is complete idiocy.
  2. stalki
    stalki 14 November 2019 09: 26 New
    +6
    Sanctions as a medicine. I hope our ours will take advantage of this.
    1. Alien From
      Alien From 14 November 2019 13: 36 New
      0
      It is doubtful that sanctions as a medicine, rather as a drug, politicians and effective managers are so hooked on them that now only long-term treatment in a special institution is desirable!
  3. Sayan
    Sayan 14 November 2019 09: 26 New
    -2
    But who knows what all sorts of bloggers-schmogers broadcast there.
  4. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 14 November 2019 09: 37 New
    +8
    Let Belarus put on its aircraft French ILS Thales HUD 3022 - their right.
    The key here is that the Russian IKSH-1M should be no worse, and if possible better, and the production of Russian combat aircraft not depend on the favor and complacency of the NATO countries, even if the "friendly" France that has rolled us with the Mistrals ...
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 14 November 2019 10: 04 New
      +2
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Let Belarus put on its aircraft French ILS Thales HUD 3022, - their right.

      And this is their assessment, unfortunately.
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    3. GibSoN
      GibSoN 15 November 2019 00: 32 New
      -1
      and the production of Russian combat aircraft did not depend on the favor and complacency of the NATO countries, even if it was a "friendly" France, which drove us with the Mistrals ...
      This is a joke! Is it really like an adult ?! Able to think independently, assess the situation .. at least on the basis of what has been gone or heard .. In the best case scenario, the production of Russian military aircraft will depend not on the "friendly" NATO-France, but on China. This is reality baby! Open your eyes. The full production cycle in the Russian Federation, destroyed a little more than completely! If in Russian .. If tomorrow is a war, in the Russian Federation even toilet paper in the right amount cannot be released .. even with all desire.
  5. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 14 November 2019 09: 50 New
    +1
    I hope our equipment is not worse than French, otherwise why all this import substitution ....
    1. Rostislav Bely
      Rostislav Bely 14 November 2019 10: 47 New
      -2
      Hope in Lenin’s family died last - it’s simply necessary ... initially expensive, but then it becomes cheaper and it’s not known what vulnerabilities there may be in imported equipment not only with exploitation - Lukashenko, something like health is treated in Dubai, in collective farm "Belarus" something is restless
      1. Igor Gul
        Igor Gul 14 November 2019 12: 31 New
        +2
        Yes, everything is calm in our "collective farm". We are preparing for the elections.
        1. Rostislav Bely
          Rostislav Bely 14 November 2019 12: 42 New
          0
          I wouldn’t say so unequivocally, if something serious then this may not necessarily be a protest - what happened with Chavez - how the conclusion, with increased security, could be fraught with the option of removal from power, etc. (who will sing on his ears)) ) ...
          1. Igor Gul
            Igor Gul 14 November 2019 12: 48 New
            +2
            Lukashenko says a lot of things, but only in Russia they attach serious importance to this.
            1. Rostislav Bely
              Rostislav Bely 14 November 2019 12: 52 New
              +1
              In Russia, it is tactically used as a joke about the paradox ...
    2. GibSoN
      GibSoN 15 November 2019 00: 37 New
      +1
      our equipment
      It's like a black cat in a dark room. Everyone heard about her, but plainly no one saw .. It seems to be a lot of talk about "ours." But in fact, it turns out that this is, at best, assembled in China .. or on some kind of enemy equipment .. or on enemy technologies .. In general, show me really OUR equipment, which is really OUR, completely and completely! Moreover, whatever it was Lada .. Although stop. Lada is also not ours .. Fiat scored. Anyway, who needs it and what's the point?
  6. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 14 November 2019 10: 48 New
    +2
    It’s better to develop your course, I hope the MO understands this. You never know what sanctions will fly from nowhere, then run.
  7. Alexga
    Alexga 14 November 2019 11: 15 New
    0
    The control word is "since, most likely, the customer chose the fighters in this particular configuration," and what exactly did the RB choose by configuration, it can all be simpler, since the base was not allowed, then "God, we don’t care"
  8. pavelty
    pavelty 14 November 2019 11: 41 New
    0
    You don’t have to invent anything, just Belarusians bought directly from Thales, and installed them on the delivered planes, that’s the whole trick
  9. alex aircraft
    alex aircraft 14 November 2019 11: 46 New
    -4
    Import substitution in action !!! keep it up !! glory to the great tandem !! (GDP and ladies).
  10. svp67
    svp67 14 November 2019 12: 07 New
    +1
    Here are the eyes bobbed, sho batov. Captured custodian - received ...
  11. Alien From
    Alien From 14 November 2019 13: 32 New
    -2
    So import substitution worked, with which we don’t know what to release now ... or we don’t say so as not to shame ...!
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  13. vm68dm
    vm68dm 14 November 2019 15: 20 New
    +1
    Collimator aviation indicator IKSh-1M
    1. kit88
      kit88 14 November 2019 16: 04 New
      +3
      There is a more informative photo.

      I am certainly old and behind the times. But what do we see? This is not just an indicator on the windshield. Here and the management of radio stations, here and the management of navigation equipment. Of course, all the information from the sight.
      Now imagine that this ILS refused. Of course, it’s still early to leave the plane, but it is likely to have to take a safe flight level and move towards the landing airfield “along a pack of Belomor”.
      And why the French stuffed there - no one knows.

      PS / By the way, if there are still French ILS on our Su-30s, then what do the failed ones change? And where do the failed send for repair?
  14. Karaul14
    Karaul14 14 November 2019 21: 01 New
    0
    This is a standard topic - they order a plane from the Russian Federation and ask to install Western electronics, because the Russian one does not make any comparison. Now sanctions are, yes, harder, therefore. probably they will re-equip themselves.
  15. rocket757
    rocket757 15 November 2019 08: 05 New
    0
    Quote: Alexander Petrov1
    other people's mistakes (that is, Russia with the NATO ship engines MTU) do not teach anyone ...

    No one teaches the saying that a wise person prefers to learn from the mistakes of others .... it is!
  16. Valera Novikov
    Valera Novikov 15 November 2019 21: 45 New
    0
    Russia creates a su-57 it has all the innovations soon everything will be on other planes
  17. Kiryuha
    Kiryuha 16 November 2019 11: 37 New
    0
    On our almost everyone stands HUD 3022 that it is French or maybe even Indian or something terrible. It works fine, few failures. There is no Sigma being repaired on Irkut, our BKV is there. The MIG-29SMT is fully Russian ILS-31, but the horizontal line is Sigma French.