Su-30СМ Belorussia Air Force equipped with French ILS Thales HUD 3022

The new Russian Su-30СМ fighters, delivered by the Air Force of the Republic of Belarus, are equipped with an indicator against the background of a windshield (HLS) of the French production Thales HUD 3022 (CTH 3022).

The first pair of Russian Su-30СМ, delivered by the Belarusian Air Force 13 on November this year, is equipped with an indicator on the background of the windshield (ILS) of the French production Thales HUD 3022 (CTH 3022), as well as French multifunctional full-color liquid crystal displays Thales SMD55S (5х5 inches) rear cockpit.

French-made IFS data were installed on Su-30СМ multi-functional fighters before the introduction of sanctions against the Russian military-industrial complex in 2014 due to the annexation of Crimea. As part of the import substitution in 2015, it was announced that further from the end of the year collimator wide-format indicators will be installed against the background of the IKSh-1M windshield developed by Ramenskoye Instrument-Making Design Bureau of Concern Radioelectronic Technologies JSC (KRET, part of Rostec Group of Companies) .

Su-30СМ with number 01 "red" with installed French ILS Thales HUD 3022

It is known that tests were conducted with Russian HLS at that time, however, it is not known whether the IKSH-1M HMIs were subsequently installed on the Russian Su-30SM.

The French ILS Thales HUD 3022 was originally developed for Dassault Rafale fighters, they were installed on the Su-30MKM of the Malaysian Air Force, the Su-30СМ of the Air Force of Kazakhstan and now the Su-30СМ of the Air Force of Belarus. This is not surprising, since, most likely, the customer chose the fighters in this particular configuration, purchased French ILS, and it was not difficult to deliver them, since the Su-30СМ was originally produced with them.

The MiKS-1K, MiG-29СМТ and Su-29С fighters were equipped with Russian indicators IKSH-35М, whether they are now installed on the Su-30СМ for Russian airborne forces as part of import substitution or fighters continue to fly with the French - it is not known.

Comments

[rocket757]

Dealing with foreign countries, in the military sphere is fraught with "surprises"!

[Zaurbek]

You can use the arrows .... CIS can make a choice ... and the choice was made in favor of the French.

[Alexander Petrov1]

This is how the French six of the United States will impose sanctions against Belarus and Kazakhstan and our allies will contact us to put them Russian electronic systems, other people's mistakes (that is, Russia with NATO ship engines MTU) do not teach anyone ...

[donavi49]

A choice?

You can put the old Soviet, slightly improved. In principle, he will also perform the task. But this is at the level of a stone knife of the late Neolithic and modern for cutting meat. And that, and others to cut the meat will come out. But there are nuances.

You can put IKSH-1M - which is essentially an adaptation for this aircraft. But it’s obvious that the product is not going very well.

Under the Su-30 Irkut, several variations of imported HLS and other electronic equipment were originally assembled. However, they were selected more for the customer. Well, that is - to Indians with Elbit Systems stuffing. Muslims with Thales / Philips. Etc.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Yeah. And also, as on IL 2, apply marks on the windshield with a pencil!)

[rocket757]

The customer, in this case, in his own right ... is not a question.

[bouncyhunter]

Hi Victor! As I understand it, when choosing between Russian and French devices, we were guided by the criteria "quality" and "price". Apparently, French devices have an advantage in some way ...

[rocket757]

hello Pasha

Quote: bouncyhunter

Apparently, French appliances have an advantage in some ways ...

The French are serial products. Price and quality, like all serial, proven, on the level and affordable. In addition, they do not stand still and continue to improve the product.
We have an industrial, technological base of the electronic industry / production, as it were, during the recovery period ... we are not doing everything, the quality has not been worked out and ... there are many more problems, including price-quality ratio!
Hope the problem is resolved. The sooner, the better.

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: rocket757

Hope the problem is resolved. The sooner, the better.

Totally agree with you . A start has been made - it is necessary to develop.

[rocket757]

Quote: bouncyhunter

A start has been made - it is necessary to develop.

We will see ... I want to see a POSITIVE result.
Tired of groaning, grunting and repeating like a mantra - Don't make the same mistakes, do it right away! "-

[Fff]

With ILS in conjunction is a communication system, and a navigation system. So in addition to the Thales HUD 3022 HUD, there is also Thales INCOM-1012A, or something with different numbers, and the inertia Sagem-Sigma coordinate system with INS / GPS

[rocket757]

Those. compatibility problem, when trying to connect not sharpened specifically for this kit.
For experts, this is obvious.
In short, if anything, the customer’s head will hurt not childishly.

[SSR]

Quote: rocket757

The customer, in this case, in his own right ... is not a question.

In my humble opinion, the question is different.
1. Despite the sanctions, equipment was purchased and installed.
2. And "if" there are suddenly sanctions, how to fulfill the client's order?
It's just that all this "sanctions" and at the same time "import substitution" are beginning to sparkle with the colors of a trade war, and not by drawn squeaks and Ukraine.

[rocket757]

As if the customer should understand, if something, then he himself will have to "rustle".

Quote from S.S.R.

It's just that all this "sanctions" and at the same time "import substitution" are beginning to sparkle with the colors of a trade war, and not by drawn squeaks and Ukraine.

no matter how it is transfused, it is not infinite, in principle.

[SSR]

Quote: rocket757

As if the customer should understand, if something, then he himself will have to "rustle".

Well, the Indians are doing this, supplying orders to foreigners, installing on our military equipment, the development of Israelis and French, including.
It’s just one thing when the supplier has shipped and further fully serviced, or cannot fulfill the order due to sanctions and begins to dodge ..
The client should not worry about dancing with a tambourine, he needs his product, then he can do almost anything with him and preferably within the framework of the contract. Conditionally
Why am I going to bother stretching the terms and completing the "German" if I can get it faster and even though the Japanese one is more expensive, I will start production today and not in the "foreseeable" future.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Yeah. And also, as on IL 2, apply marks on the windshield with a pencil!)

They say that on the IL-4 the navigator put his foot on the glazing and aimed at it. Like, half a boot to the goal - reset. Maybe bikes.

[novel66]

well, on the boot something else was aimed at the first world war, a proven way

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: novel xnumx

well, on the boot something else was aimed at the first world war, a proven way

[novel66]

yes, Kohl, there were difficult times, I want to fight but it doesn’t work, at least spit on each other

[Nikolai Grek]

with all the tragic content of the phrase, it sounds, of course, rzhachno !!!

[Invoce]

The process is not as fast as we would like. OCD is still coming. And the fact that there will be domestic - no doubt

[Alexander Petrov1]

Well, when our "French NATO friends" imposed sanctions on them, then they will come running for our adaptation IKSH-1M ...

[Ivan Ivanov]

Quote: rocket757

Dealing with foreign countries, in the military sphere is fraught with "surprises"!

To put it mildly - in fact this is complete idiocy.

[stalki]

Sanctions as a medicine. I hope our ours will take advantage of this.

[Alien From]

It is doubtful that sanctions as a medicine, rather as a drug, politicians and effective managers are so hooked on them that now only long-term treatment in a special institution is desirable!

[Sayan]

But who knows what all sorts of bloggers-schmogers broadcast there.

[Ross xnumx]

Let Belarus put on its aircraft French ILS Thales HUD 3022 - their right.
The key here is that the Russian IKSH-1Ms are no worse, and if possible, even better, and the production of Russian combat aircraft does not depend on the benevolence and complacency of NATO countries, even if it is "friendly" France, which drove us with the Mistrals ...

[Stas157]

Quote: ROSS 42

Let Belarus put on its aircraft French ILS Thales HUD 3022, - their right.

And this is their assessment, unfortunately.

[GibSoN]

and the production of Russian combat aircraft did not depend on the benevolence and complacency of NATO countries, even if the "friendly" France, which rode us with the "Mistrals" ...

This is an anecdote! Is it real, like an adult ?! Able to think independently, assess the situation .. at least on the basis of what has been gone or heard .. In the best scenario, the production of Russian combat aircraft will depend not on "friendly" NATO-France, but on China. This is reality baby! Open your eyes. Full production cycle in the Russian Federation, destroyed a little more than completely! If in Russian .. If tomorrow is a war, in the Russian Federation even toilet paper in the required quantity will not be able to produce .. even with all the desire.

[Alexey-74]

I hope our equipment is not worse than French, otherwise why all this import substitution ....

[Rostislav Bely]

Hope in Lenin's family died last - this is simply necessary ... initially it is expensive, but then it becomes cheaper and it is not known what vulnerabilities there may be in imported equipment not only with exploitation - Lukashenka, something with health, in Dubai is treated like, in " collective farm "Belarus" something is restless

[Igor Gul]

Yes, everything is calm in our "collective farm". We are preparing for the elections.

[Rostislav Bely]

I wouldn’t say so unequivocally, if something serious then this may not necessarily be a protest - what happened with Chavez - how the conclusion, with increased security, could be fraught with the option of removal from power, etc. (who will sing on his ears)) ) ...

[Igor Gul]

Lukashenko says a lot of things, but only in Russia they attach serious importance to this.

[Rostislav Bely]

In Russia, it is tactically used as a joke about the paradox ...

[GibSoN]

our equipment

It's like a black cat in a dark room. Everyone has heard about it, but no one really saw it .. There seems to be a lot of talk about "our". But in fact, it turns out that at best it is assembled in China .. or on some kind of enemy equipment .. or using enemy technologies .. In general, show me really OUR equipment, which is really OUR, completely and completely! In this case, whatever it was not a Lada .. Although stop. Lada is also not ours .. Fiat has distinguished itself. Anyway, who needs it and what's the point?

[Lord of the Sith]

It’s better to develop your course, I hope the MO understands this. You never know what sanctions will fly from nowhere, then run.

[Alexga]

The control word "since, most likely, the customer chose the fighters in this configuration,"

[pavelty]

You don’t have to invent anything, just Belarusians bought directly from Thales, and installed them on the delivered planes, that’s the whole trick

[alex aircraft]

Import substitution in action !!! keep it up !! glory to the great tandem !! (GDP and ladies).

[svp67]

Here are the eyes bobbed, sho batov. Captured custodian - received ...

[Alien From]

So import substitution worked, with which we don’t know what to release now ... or we don’t say so as not to shame ...!

[vm68dm]

Collimator aviation indicator IKSh-1M

[kit88]

There is a more informative photo.

I am certainly old and behind the times. But what do we see? This is not just an indicator on the windshield. Here and the management of radio stations, here and the management of navigation equipment. Of course, all the information from the sight.
Now let's imagine that this HUD has failed. Of course, it is too early to leave the plane, but it is quite likely that you will have to take a safe flight and move towards the landing airfield "along a pack of Belomor".
And why the French stuffed there - no one knows.

PS / By the way, if there are still French ILS on our Su-30s, then what do the failed ones change? And where do the failed send for repair?

[Karaul14]

This is a standard topic - they order a plane from the Russian Federation and ask to install Western electronics, because the Russian one does not make any comparison. Now sanctions are, yes, harder, therefore. probably they will re-equip themselves.

[rocket757]

Quote: Alexander Petrov1

other people's mistakes (that is, Russia with the NATO ship engines MTU) do not teach anyone ...

No one teaches the saying that a wise person prefers to learn from the mistakes of others .... it is!

[Valera Novikov]

Russia creates a su-57 it has all the innovations soon everything will be on other planes

[Kiryuha]

Our almost all have HUD 3022, the fact that it is French or maybe even Indian is not a big deal. It works fine, there are few failures. There is no Sigma being repaired at Irkut, our BKV is there. On the MIG-29SMT there is a completely Russian ILS-31, but the directional reference is a French sigma.