Shooting in one of the colleges of Blagoveshchensk

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From Blagoveshchensk, there are reports of a tragic incident in one of the local educational institutions. The reports say the shooting at the Amur College of Construction and Housing.

At the moment, it is stated that the shooting was opened by one of the college students. The Ministry of Health of the Amur Region says that one person died, three were injured of varying severity.

Eyewitnesses report that people ran out of the college building to the sound of gunfire. One of the local residents on a social network writes that he saw "how police officers took a young man or man out of the building."

From the report:

Some type walks with the barrel.

About which one weapons in question, not officially reported. The blogs stated that the student brought a hunting rifle to the college building and opened fire in one of the classrooms, where at that moment classes were going on and there were about twenty students.

The Annunciation media reports that the student allegedly carried the gun into the college building earlier, hiding it in the toilet. During the lesson, he went out, and then returned to the audience with a weapon.

So far, all these statements in the local media have not been commented on by official bodies.

The area where the college is located is cordoned off by the police, the work of the OMON detachment is reported.

Meanwhile, videos appear on the network, the author of which claims to be from the same audience where the shooting took place. The footage shows how assistance is provided to a wounded young man. The students themselves render it. Due to the fact that the information on the compliance of the video with the described data is not confirmed, the video does not publish.
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  1. +7
    14 November 2019 06: 07
    Westernization of the country continues. Sad ...
    1. +35
      14 November 2019 06: 25
      Columbineization. Teachers have ceased to be educators, young mothers of women completely reject classical methods of education, preferring to them all sorts of newfangled textbooks from "expert psychologists". Well, now we will slurp these Columbines more and more often.
      1. +34
        14 November 2019 06: 53
        My friend, the teacher at the college said the students have more rights than yours .. You won’t do anything to us ...
        1. +25
          14 November 2019 08: 57
          in my time, for such a statement, students would get on the head and, at best, get off with expulsion, destroy the Soviet system; now we are reaping the fruits of the Western system
          1. +3
            14 November 2019 09: 48
            and so those who received on the head and deducted raise such ....
        2. +11
          14 November 2019 11: 36
          This is the result of the creeping juvenileization of the education sector. Teenagers very quickly learn the mantra “we have rights!”, But they prefer not to remember the responsibility that comes with rights. It's sad. Involuntarily, one recalls classical gymnasiums, where teachers and educators had tremendous power over students and could cultivate in them a sense of duty, responsibility and the ability to control themselves. Graduates of those grammar schools knew how to literally carry the world on their shoulders. And now ... I will not say anything to Ray, so as not to break into a continuous obscene language.
        3. +5
          14 November 2019 13: 13
          And rightly so, they won't. Any movement of the teacher, after half an hour, will storm the records for views on YouTube. And the "mothers committees" sometimes behave worse than ss. They have entire groups in social networks and messengers, where they collectively discuss how to punish a teacher for making a remark to "my unique son".
      2. -7
        14 November 2019 07: 41
        Teachers ceased to be educators
        We have a country of orphans? And college teachers. Kindergarten teachers.
        1. +6
          14 November 2019 09: 13
          Well, you really surprised me. First, what have the orphans to do with it? Secondly, for you, the discovery that teachers are also educators? Then you are in kindergarten.
          1. 0
            14 November 2019 12: 35
            teachers teach, educate - family or society
            1. +5
              14 November 2019 13: 32
              You tell this to your grandmother, I worked with boys for more than twenty years. From 1972 to 1993.
              1. 0
                14 November 2019 14: 37
                are we already on you? I have experience from 1989 until now, so what? remind at what age the child has fully formed his scale of "good" and "bad"? The teacher can only correct the already laid down, because 5 years old is not school age. and in order to influence a child, he must be adopted - that is, to replace his parents. Do you know many of these in the current education system?
                1. +1
                  14 November 2019 16: 16
                  I just don’t recognize her, she’s not.
                  And about adoption, you just need to be a man and love your students, then there will be authority and the ability to influence them. And put all your arguments into your portfolio, you are our theorist.
                  1. 0
                    14 November 2019 17: 28
                    Well, yes, of course, where am I to you! let me clarify only two facts - are there among your students successful professionals - in the degree of Doctor of Science, or the title of Head, Deputy Head of the Department in the Ministry of Defense? no? Well then, I'm sorry, I'm flying away. Yes, I can tell you about the practice separately. Yes, and more, students must be respected, and I prefer to love adult, sexually mature women laughing
          2. 0
            14 November 2019 13: 09
            They are educators and spiritual mentors, and Kinder can now teach themselves on the Internet, that is, self-educate, but who will tell you what it is, what’s good? In the internet, along with really useful and interesting information, there is everything, even harmful and dangerous ...
          3. +3
            14 November 2019 13: 24
            Quote: Ros 56
            teachers are also educators

            Alas, this is no longer the case. It used to be the Teachers (just like that - with a capital letter), now the term "educational services" is more popular. Everything else is no-no - "moral violence against a person" ...
      3. -5
        14 November 2019 20: 42
        Well, if I open the door to the house and I don’t close it, sooner or later someone will come to misbehave, it is necessary that the metal detectors stand and have professional security, and not the decrepit grandfathers ...
    2. +17
      14 November 2019 06: 52
      Yeah, the Internet, computer games, mobile phones, geyropa are to blame. Everyone except us.
      1. +3
        14 November 2019 07: 30
        And the mass media is full of articles and reports that children are militarized somewhere TAM .. In mattress, Ukroin ...
      2. -13
        14 November 2019 08: 50
        Where did you get the 5th charging shotgun ??? will tighten the weapons storage nuts and rightly so.
        1. +4
          14 November 2019 09: 06
          In Kerch, I just took it and bought it.
          If age allows, and this one could well.
          1. +2
            14 November 2019 12: 02
            So it was. 19 years old, permission, registration is all legal. Countryman however.
          2. +1
            14 November 2019 12: 29
            IZH-81, 12 cal. - legally acquired by the attacker.

        2. -10
          14 November 2019 09: 49
          I agree. Let lovers of gunshots, short barrels and weapons generally sit and admire him in the computer. At least virtually with this weapon you cannot physically kill a person and do not cripple.
          1. +6
            14 November 2019 10: 31
            Woman's reasoning
        3. +18
          14 November 2019 10: 10
          Quote: loki565
          Where did you get the 5th charging shotgun ??? will tighten the weapons storage nuts and rightly so.

          Why is this right? And how to tighten the screws even more? Why should I suffer because of some kind of geek? Will it not be more fair to punish the guilty for their deeds, and not the innocent for other people's sins. In your opinion, it is necessary to disarm all citizens of Russia ... civilians, policemen (Yevsyukov), military (sometimes they shoot on guard) ... Yes, and generally forbid to keep knives, axes, forks in the household ... And also rolling pins, pans. irons ... A lot of people kill cars ... forbid nafig. Elevators, cranes, and old trees still fall ... forbid everything. And legislatively tighten the nuts on each issue. Drive everything to the stall and give out food and air in batches ... and even better, every citizen can insert electrodes into the brain and to control then precisely no one will do anything illegal ...
          1. -8
            14 November 2019 10: 34
            Why should I suffer because of some geek?

            Most often, the arrows take weapons from their relatives, from safes, etc. Why they have access to a safe is another matter. Each owner of a weapon should have a personal criminal responsibility for this weapon. He gave the keys to the safe to his son, nephew, acquaintance, you sit down with him.
            .Very many people kill cars ... prohibit nafig.

            no need to juggle, an automobile is a means of transportation that poses a danger but still a means of transportation, and a weapon is a means of murder and the responsibility for it should be greater. And the drivers who caused the accident with a fatal outcome also bear criminal responsibility.
            1. +13
              14 November 2019 11: 02
              Quote: loki565
              Most often, the arrows take weapons from their relatives, from safes

              This is not so. Do not misinterpret the statistics. More often unregistered trunks are used.
              Quote: loki565
              Each owner of a weapon must have a personal criminal responsibility for this weapon

              Responsibility is already there. Existing laws are quite enough. Their execution is another matter.
              Quote: loki565
              no need to juggle, an automobile is a means of transportation that poses a danger but still a means of transportation, and a weapon is a means of murder and the responsibility for it should be greater.

              I’m afraid that the terrorists will disagree with you ... they quite use cars as weapons. And airplanes are a means of transportation ... but only kamikaze with the same terrorists are again against ...
              Quote: loki565
              and weapons are a means of murder and responsibility for them should be greater.

              If you have such an opinion, it means for sure that something is wrong with the perception of reality, which requires close attention of psychiatry. Weapons you can not be trusted under any circumstances.
              For me, weapons are sports entertainment and hunting meat. And the farther people live from cities, the lower the risk of being shot by a psycho.
              1. -8
                14 November 2019 11: 32
                This is not so. Do not misinterpret the statistics. More often unregistered trunks are used.

                Statistics in the studio, namely for the "school" arrows. Unregistered trunks? for them, and so a good time shines.
                If you have such an opinion, it means for sure that something is wrong with the perception of reality, which requires close attention of psychiatry. Weapons you can not be trusted under any circumstances.
                For me, weapons are sports entertainment and hunting meat. And the farther people live from cities, the lower the risk of being shot by a psycho.

                And again, you distort and think only about yourself, your ambitions and Wishlist. Do animals from you die from hard work or from killing for the sake of self-affirmation and fun ???
                You need it for sports entertainment, and someone from your environment may have other plans ...
                And here the question is not whether for hunting you need weapons or for self-defense, it should not fall into the hands of third parties.
                1. +2
                  14 November 2019 12: 39
                  What is the term? wink You are so far from the topic that you don’t even know - civilian smooth-bore long-barrel firearms, its main parts and cartridges for it are withdrawn (with the exception of sales) from the scope of the Criminal Code. This is an administrative offense. And these unregistered shotguns - which were sold in the USSR in general to everyone - a huge amount.
                  1. -4
                    14 November 2019 12: 57
                    Well, that's what this is all about, for the storage (carrying) of unregistered weapons there should be a time limit and nothing else. Why is a respectable citizen such a weapon ???)))
                    1. 0
                      14 November 2019 13: 48
                      All this is a passed stage: in the first edition of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation there was a criminal liability of smooth on a par with rough. The result is zero, some costs and expenses, therefore, lawmakers quickly returned back.
                      1. -5
                        14 November 2019 13: 53
                        Well, it means such a fine that it would not be profitable to keep illegal weapons. If, for example, a shotgun costs 50k, then the illegal illegal 500k
                        Why is a respectable citizen such a weapon?
                      2. +3
                        14 November 2019 14: 09
                        Fear of arms is a sign of retarded sexual and mental development. Z. Freud
                        Normal people - do not ask such questions, they just get what they want. Or pass by.
                      3. -2
                        14 November 2019 14: 24
                        Fear of arms is a sign of retarded sexual and mental development. Z. Freud
                        Normal people - do not ask such questions, they just get what they want. Or pass by.

                        So the conversation was about illegal weapons))) it's like buying a car and not registering it, riding without numbers so that in the event of an accident it would be more difficult to find you. And Freud was that still a comedian, he has one step from sexual development to incest)))
                      4. +1
                        14 November 2019 15: 45
                        In this case, we are talking about legal weapons acquired through proper means.
                        If you specifically have a rectum falling out at the sight of shotgun, this is not a reason to extend your perversions to other citizens engaged in fishing, hunting and sports.
              2. -4
                14 November 2019 11: 42
                For me, weapons are sports entertainment and hunting meat.

                Yes, and there are different hunters, so to speak, expectation and reality)))

                1. -1
                  15 November 2019 18: 13
                  Did you present this as a rule, or is it an exception?
                  But apparently you are so far from this crown that you are right, they say here ... do you have eggs?
                  The whole world is armed, but our liberals need to disarm us. Was there a nice man in the army? And the other day, a friend said, why do we need an army! It turned out not served! Expert! S
              3. -5
                14 November 2019 11: 55
                Quote: Barkhan
                weapons are sports entertainment and hunting meat. And the farther people live from cities, the lower the risk of being shot by a psycho.

                Well, you do not contradict the previous interlocutor.
                - By killing the meat you kill (this was said)
                - That’s why it is necessary to ban weapons in crowded places, which I always spoke about and poked amateurs who want to protect themselves by carrying weapons.
                - And sport, he should be only at the shooting range and under the explicit and tireless supervision of regulatory authorities and in no way in the crowd or at school.
                1. +2
                  15 November 2019 01: 38
                  Quote: Irokez
                  always talked and poked his nose fans to protect themselves by carrying weapons.

                  Alas, Sergei, everything is missed. The "short-stemmed" population has a certain psychological profile, according to which your arguments are initially doomed to rejection. In some cases, although it is more individual here, the intervention of psychiatrists is required, and immediate, otherwise, surgeons, or even pathologists, will be required. am
                  1. -1
                    15 November 2019 11: 35
                    Quote: Paranoid50
                    Alas, Sergey, everything is past the target

                    The population of opponents of the civilian short-barrel has a certain psychological portrait, according to which any arguments are initially doomed to rejection. In some cases, although it is more individual, the intervention of psychiatrists is required.
              4. +1
                14 November 2019 12: 16
                The student had a "Fox" type "pump" - never for hunting, no butt, length, slightly> 80 cm.
                1. 0
                  15 November 2019 11: 31
                  On the pheasant - just right;) There are enough of them in Amurka.
          2. +2
            14 November 2019 13: 26
            Quote: Barkhan
            insert electrodes into the brain

            So you can kill too - hence ban electricity. wassat
        4. +4
          14 November 2019 10: 34
          Quote: loki565
          Where did you get the 5th charging shotgun ??? will tighten the weapons storage nuts and rightly so.

          For example, in a gun shop. They will tighten the nuts for hunters, and whoever needs to buy at least Kalash in the darknet for bitcoin
          1. -2
            14 November 2019 13: 59
            For example, in a gun shop. They will tighten the nuts for hunters, and whoever needs to buy at least Kalash in the darknet for bitcoin

            Do you think the student will be able to buy Kalash? There is a high probability that he will fall into the field of view of the FSB
            1. +3
              14 November 2019 21: 23
              Quote: loki565
              For example, in a gun shop. They will tighten the nuts for hunters, and whoever needs to buy at least Kalash in the darknet for bitcoin

              Do you think the student will be able to buy Kalash? There is a high probability that he will fall into the field of view of the FSB

              Anyone who knows how to turn on a laptop is capable of this, and schoolchildren will give you a head start. The whole world buys drugs through bookmarks, the same scheme works for weapons
        5. +10
          14 November 2019 11: 17
          And let's ban the axes. It was like that. And then the knives with forks, piercing and cutting after all.
          1. +3
            14 November 2019 12: 44
            Licensing is necessary for this type of life: let the housewives take safe handling of knives / forks / pans in the local outskirts of the Russian Guard. Annually. On a fee basis. fellow
    3. +10
      14 November 2019 06: 53
      Right Damn survived ...
      Some kind of wild west. He took a gun and went to the people to shoot left and right.
      Reading such articles, it somehow becomes uncomfortable.
      Under the Union, this was not. And now the news is scary to watch. Like daily reports from the front.
      It is burning there, it is flooded here, someone was kicked out of the apartment, here the "drunken" child was run over, everything was stolen there, suddenly winter came and soon everything will freeze, a soldier shot 8 people, etc. etc., no end or end.
      Have we been able to degrade so much over the past 27 years ?!
      1. +10
        14 November 2019 07: 01
        That's for sure. At the Union, Tokarev listened: "I always bless America, I will buy a pistol - I will shoot passers-by ...". Whinnying, like a horse - for us it was inconceivable, although, like, a workers' settlement, even the former "chemistry". And now I don't want to laugh.
      2. +10
        14 November 2019 07: 07
        Under the Union, this was not. And now the news is scary to watch. Like daily reports from the front.


        Of course, they didn’t shoot at schools, as far as I know, but everything that happened was just no Internet and was eager for the sensations of journalists. For example:

        In April of the 1950 of the year in the village of Giska (near Bender, the Moldavian SSR): a military teacher brought to the school packages with 12 kg of tol and blew it up during classes in one of the classes. The cause of the explosion was an unrequited love for one of his colleagues. The building was destroyed, 23 people died (including military commander), many were injured. Graduation of the entire school that year totaled only 5 students.
        1. +9
          14 November 2019 07: 18
          Everyone, of course, was also missing.
          But firstly, they didn’t tell us about it and I think that they did it right.
          And secondly, earlier this was almost an emergency of the Union scale. And the first secretary (head) of the district or region, for such a party card put on the table and "went far, and for a long time."
          And now. Well, I shot, it’s not his fault, it’s all our life, fate-villain. Well, who does not happen. Here, as if WE are to blame the whole country, and not he alone. And other nonsense.
          That is, we are already being prepared in advance for a "cheerful" future.
          1. +2
            14 November 2019 07: 34
            It’s not possible to solve anything with half measures, but to take decisive measures, as it’s not clear everything, and therefore it's dumb!
          2. +2
            14 November 2019 09: 51
            if you weren’t told about this case, would it be easier?
          3. +3
            14 November 2019 10: 21
            But firstly, they didn’t tell us about it and I think that they did it right.


            To be honest, the logic is like my hut from the edge. From the silence of the problem, it will not disappear.

            And now. Well, I shot, it’s not his fault, it’s all our life, fate-villain. Well, who does not happen. Here, as if WE are to blame the whole country, and not he alone. And other nonsense.


            I don’t understand a little when they say “the country is to blame”, “now the times have gone”, “where did the parents, teachers, officials look?”. A man came to take revenge, what the hell is the difference in what time or place he lived? If not with a gun, I would have come with a knife. This is a psychological problem for one individual taken personally, that he could not find any other way out except murder.
            1. +3
              14 November 2019 12: 06
              the problem of one individual taken personally that he could not find another way but to kill.

              This always happens in countries where the law does not work.
              1. -1
                14 November 2019 12: 24
                Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
                This always happens in countries where the law does not work.

                I do not find logic and communication in your conclusions.
                1. +3
                  14 November 2019 12: 54
                  It's simple.
                  I don't think this guy is crazy. Although this may be.
                  Most likely, a number of circumstances led to this act. Which I don’t know. It may be like that shooter who put 8 people.
                  Indeed, the people around him, probably the same students and teachers, saw everything perfectly and were in the know. But no one did anything.
                  Just because it’s useless to complain to the police. You’ll find yourself guilty. They will also trample or expel from work because the rubbish is taken out of the hut.
                  1. 0
                    14 November 2019 14: 40
                    Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
                    Indeed, the people around him, probably the same students and teachers, saw everything perfectly and were in the know. But no one did anything.

                    Of course, no one did anything, because for some - "ohhhhhlo knocking the cops", for others - "gee-gee, it's cool to chase them now, we'll shoot them for YouTube," etc., etc. And about
                    Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
                    Just because it's useless to complain to the police
                    You in vain, obviously do not know the system. After all the "school shooters", the police and WG reacts instantly to messages like "a student with a gun came to school", at least from the feeling of keeping his own ass in the chair. And yes, witnesses Misha Dvapatrona will come running shouting "give us a COP, we will lay down and save everyone" fool
                    1. +1
                      14 November 2019 15: 00
                      You in vain, obviously do not know the system. After all the "school shooters", the police and WG responds instantly to messages like "a student with a gun came to school"

                      The police are obliged to prevent a crime, and not to investigate an already committed one.
                      If a student comes to school with a gun, that's all ... It's too late to rush around.
                      So to speak - Extinguish the light, throw a grenade!
                      1. +1
                        14 November 2019 15: 39
                        That
                        Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
                        The police are obliged to prevent a crime, and not to investigate an already committed one.

                        you need to know who breathes with what, but in our country they still live according to concepts, therefore
                        Quote: Captain45
                        "ohhhhhlo knock the cops",
                        and, as a rule, the police react to the perfect, and do not act proactively i.e. goes from crime to criminal, and not vice versa.
      3. -2
        14 November 2019 08: 32
        Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
        Right Damn survived ...
        Some kind of wild west. He took a gun and went to the people to shoot left and right.

        Now the infantiles who did not play war games in childhood will go into the topic and explain that if every college student had 45 magnum magnum, they would have neutralized this psycho before he shot anyone with a thread.
        1. +8
          14 November 2019 08: 54
          in Russian spring it is described in more detail, in particular, that this is revenge and he shot nobody at all, but took revenge on his offenders. the teacher did not touch. one of the students forced to jump out the window - said to live, you want to jump out. that is, a person had a goal and not just a cuckoo
          1. -2
            14 November 2019 09: 57
            Quote: vadson
            that is, a person had a goal and not just a cuckoo

            It’s clear that he didn’t do it deliriously, but why in the educational institution you can even track down the street or go to housing, but it turns out to the public and gut.
            And again, common truths "no weapon - no killing from it", which means life goes on.
            1. +10
              14 November 2019 10: 06
              Imagine a situation, a young man, a bride. and a bunch of stupid individuals spread rot at his school, they assert themselves on it. for example, he goes down the hall with a girl and some character kicks him in the ass, well, he will turn around, and there will be 5-6 people there. What will he do? if the girl is smart, then she just will not let a fight happen, take him from there. under the gaggle of the crowd. and if this is repeated all the time? it is right to punish them. cops will send away. by himself, but the crowd will break him. but how to collect them all at once and be counted? so he chose the time and place when they are all together. He didn’t tolerate humiliation and, as he shot himself, he didn’t see himself in prison. although he could have remained alive.
              ps I do not condone him, he is a criminal. this is my point of view on what happened
              1. -2
                14 November 2019 10: 27
                The recipe is simple - they gave podzhopnik, turn around and tear the offender. What will happen to you after that is the fifth case. If you are not a coward, they will appreciate it and 99% will roll it off. And mother's sons and whiners, who are only heroes in their imagination, first hide behind the girl, and then grab the gun and shoot everyone in a row.
                1. +7
                  14 November 2019 10: 54
                  You have idealistic views.
                  If there are five of them, you will not tear anyone, they will just beat you in the face, and if they come up and start to understand, they will say that they accidentally pushed you, and you climbed them like a scumbag.
                  Not to mention the fact that he kicked one, but will you tear five of them?
                  .If you are not a coward, they will appreciate it and 99% will roll it off.

                  Just as idealistic.
                  Don Quixote is not your relative?
                  YouTube is filled with videos where teenagers beat one up in a crowd, and you will "appreciate" it.
                  1. -6
                    14 November 2019 11: 00
                    Cowards attack the crowd, and cowards panic fear the brave. Just try it - it really works.
                    1. +10
                      14 November 2019 11: 11
                      Sorry, this is said in kindergarten, it is very far from reality.
                      Quite often, the resistance of the victim of the attack only makes the attackers angry.
                      If you don’t do something shocking that poses a real and serious threat, for example, do not grab a knife and stab one of the attackers, your courage alone will not help you much in most cases.
                      Forget about the nobility in the style of "they will appreciate it and 99% will dump it" in most cases, this is not a knightly tournament for you.
                      1. -4
                        14 November 2019 13: 35
                        Sergey, if I grab you in the throat, then you will have zero chances laughing even if there are 20 people. Only five people can participate in sparing at a time crying , four against one, the place is trite enough laughing There is a course of hand-to-hand combat in cramped places, so if I hold you by the throat and hide behind you in a corner, then only one fighter can act against me ...
                        And even without knowing anything about tactics, in our case, you will still meet me in hell laughing ... well, yes, but still a couple of minutes earlier ... And tearing off your hands is useless, if only with the laryngeal cartilage already broken ...
                      2. +5
                        14 November 2019 13: 45
                        . There is a course of hand-to-hand combat in cramped places, so if I hold you by the throat and hide behind you in a corner, then only one fighter can act against me ...

                        And this is a common thing, every teenager has special forces training.
                        Are you serious?
                        What sparring? You’ll get hit on the head with something, you’ll unclench your hands.
                        And if you remain disabled at the same time, it’s your own fault, you were accidentally pushed and you rushed to kill a teenager.
                      3. -1
                        14 November 2019 15: 10
                        And I did not promise anyone a guaranteed victory. Most likely, for the first time they will really get the hell out of them anyway, but for the second time they will think for 10 times, or maybe they will offer friendship. After all, the dispute is about a specific situation - systematic humiliation within the walls of an educational institution. Stop it with dignity is possible only as I said. If one considers the option of suicide and subsequent suicide, then in the 101st turn. Especially massive.
                    2. +3
                      14 November 2019 14: 50
                      try with a crowd of youngsters inadequate - fans after the match, after the N-th amount of alcohol substitute, but just in the evening on foreign territory! even better after Friday prayers smile
                  2. +5
                    14 November 2019 11: 48
                    Goodbye. Here is a case from my life. Four people came to me in the comp club (the year before, the little brothers offered to unfasten a small share of the roof, but refused) not youngsters (according to 25), which they really needed, were not voiced. Three in the room, one outside. One turned over the table defiantly. There are four of them, where am I going to go, okrom how shut up. Well, I immediately charged him in the jaw. The next thing I remember (apparently standing behind something knocked over the head, then the little boys said) I stand on all fours, next to one of them. How much strength was enough, hit him in the groin with his fist. And the strangest thing is, they immediately left.
                    Yes, they broke their nose, sometimes it hurt, but never give up.
                    1. +1
                      14 November 2019 14: 53
                      Quote: basmach
                      And the strangest thing is, they immediately left.

                      strange, usually still to be continued, but it is quite possible that there was a time calculation, or the surveillance cameras saw it.
              2. +2
                14 November 2019 11: 45
                In my time (about 10 years ago), such problems were solved by contacting the ringleader of the company. Like "come out alone, if you're not afraid." After such a crowd, they usually did not rush to beat, not to answer such a call was considered shameful.
                1. +5
                  14 November 2019 11: 50
                  Other times, and a crowd of one to beat was more likely the norm. Nobleness has not been trending for a long time.
                  There is still a question, but if they really got stronger, then how?
                  He will fill your face and if it pops up, he will say that you yourself started
                  1. 0
                    14 November 2019 12: 03
                    Other times are possible. But before the phrase "go out on one or ... get cold feet" (actually it was rougher) really could honestly deal with one person. But if the cheerleader is stronger ... then there were two options. The first is to avoid this company by all means. And the second is to get in physical shape, since there are horizontal bars and parallel bars in almost every yard. Previously, such issues were treated more simply: the guys had a fight after school - their business, no one will complain or will not climb. I remember that my friend and I had a serious quarrel and a piece of ice flew to my jaw. I walked for a week with broken lips, but at school no one asked me unnecessary questions. And then we made up with a friend, and six years later I walked with him at his wedding. smile
            2. +3
              14 November 2019 10: 41
              Quote: Irokez
              Quote: vadson
              that is, a person had a goal and not just a cuckoo

              It’s clear that he didn’t do it deliriously, but why in the educational institution you can even track down the street or go to housing, but it turns out to the public and gut.
              And again, common truths "no weapon - no killing from it", which means life goes on.

              It’s because traveling through the whole city from one abuser to another with weapons in one’s hands isn’t something like that, especially when one has already failed and they are already looking for you, but in college everything is in one place. And yes, let's ban kitchen knives.
              1. -2
                14 November 2019 12: 14
                Well, firstly, dear, to take revenge - this does not mean to kill. There are many other ways, and even noble ones, to show a person his baseness and negative act.
                And secondly, a kitchen knife like a brick is not a weapon as such. But all kinds of firearms - this is a weapon and it is used at a distance out of the reach of the defender, therefore, with impunity and guaranteed to be safe for the attacker. If such a weapon weren’t the criminal would have thought to attack or not, for this implies close contact with the enemy, and in the worst case, he could have suffered from an attempt of his own attack.
                1. +1
                  14 November 2019 19: 45
                  Quote: Irokez
                  Well, firstly, dear, to take revenge - this does not mean to kill. There are many other ways, and even noble ones, to show a person his baseness and negative act.
                  And secondly, a kitchen knife like a brick is not a weapon as such. But all kinds of firearms - this is a weapon and it is used at a distance out of the reach of the defender, therefore, with impunity and guaranteed to be safe for the attacker. If such a weapon weren’t the criminal would have thought to attack or not, for this implies close contact with the enemy, and in the worst case, he could have suffered from an attempt of his own attack.

                  Firstly, it’s not about revenge, but about killing for revenge, because not on the street, but in college, what’s not clear?
                  It’s easier to buy a trunk on the darknet than to formalize it officially, at least if you answer before the law later is not included in the plans
            3. -1
              14 November 2019 14: 42
              Quote: Irokez
              "no weapon - no killing from it",

              good
              1. +2
                14 November 2019 19: 41
                Quote: Captain45
                Quote: Irokez
                "no weapon - no killing from it",

                good

                What is a weapon and what is not determined by law, in fact, everything can be a weapon. Killed at all times
      4. +7
        14 November 2019 10: 23
        Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
        Under the Union, this was not

        It was. And the planes stole, and the children were taken hostage, and the maniacs were, and the planes fell, and the trains burned down along with the passengers, and the cities were wiped off the face of the earth after an earthquake, burying tens of thousands of lives under themselves ... Only in their locality, in Soviet times, I know about a dozen cases of shooting from hunting weapons at people and real estate ... with varying degrees of consequences, including deaths (mostly drunk) ... There were a lot of scary things ...
        It’s just that all this did not fall out on the heads of citizens from all the zombies and did not sing in the movies ...
        The state simply left its people to their fate ... everyone is now doing their own thing ... that’s the result.
      5. +5
        14 November 2019 10: 31
        What was not in the Union? Shooting people with gunshots? Oh well. In my small homeland, at the end of the 70s, one of the hunting leaders put four of them, including the district police officer. It's just that these incidents were hidden from the people, so it seemed to us that "everything is fine, beautiful marquise"
      6. +2
        14 November 2019 10: 44
        And he did such things with a shotgun ... And if, to "joy", alas, to numerous idiots, a law on "sale", for example, "short-barreled", was passed? And "the hardest trouble began" ... "the main thing is to start" ... amateur squires "would immediately start a" campaign "and for a" wide sale "of carbines! And then this would have come to college with a pair of pistols and a pair of self-loading carbines How many victims would there have been?
        1. 0
          14 November 2019 20: 46
          Look at the ads of SKS, Saiga, Vepr. "Ready set for sports, set your scope and go shoot!" - real announcement of the Saiga seller for 55 rubles. Self-loading carbines are on sale now. There was a case in Medvedkovo of shooting from Vepr on November 000, 7.11.2012 - 6 were killed.
        2. -2
          15 November 2019 12: 05
          It almost certainly wouldn't have happened at all, because there would have been no reason for revenge. Usually, it is not possible to "get" an armed person. In extreme cases, there would be one, if such a "bold" was found;)
          1. +2
            15 November 2019 13: 51
            However ... in the United States there are also gun shops, and the right to purchase firearms by US citizens, and the right to keep weapons "arsenals" ... But why so often do reports from the United States come about regular "firearms" showdowns and shootings? And did the victims "really protect the right to acquire and keep a firearm ... and even carry it? Wearing a firearm" always and everywhere "is a perversion! Unfortunately, the" guardians of the firearm "forget (do not want to) turn on the" smart "or have it missing them!
            1. -1
              15 November 2019 15: 53
              The number of "firearms" in the United States, if anything, is two times less than in the Russian Federation. Examples of countries (states) where the wearing of short-barrels is allowed and crime has decreased there, they don't tell you about anything? And the opposite examples?
              I consider the ideological opponents of the legalization of the short-barrel to be bad people who want troubles and deaths to their fellow citizens. The ability to have weapons from ancient times distinguished a free man from a slave.
              1. +2
                16 November 2019 08: 18
                Quote: Fikys
                I consider the ideological opponents of the legalization of the short-barrel to be bad people who want troubles and deaths to their fellow citizens.

                After such words, to be honest, I have no desire to "discuss" with you .. forgive for God's sake, and I do not mean you specifically, but in such cases I usually use the definition of "idiot" ... If you mean the United States , then there the right to acquire and have weapons has existed for more than one century. And yet ... legal indifference does not exist there to the same extent as in Russia! There is such a TV show about American forensics .... (ID Extra ... it seems ...) Analyzing the stories in this program, you involuntarily draw conclusions: many crimes ... if they were not impossible, they would be very difficult without using "firearms"! It is the "firearm" that promotes crimes, "thanks" to the convenience of use! As for statistics ... don't you know how statistics are compared to one of the "oldest" professions? It depends where, but in Russia it really is! Whatever it was, but all the "resonant" crimes in our country have "foreign" names! That is, not Russia "first"! What they are trying to "introduce", for example, the "Kerch massacre", is from the "evil one"! From the very beginning, the execution in Kerch was named after the city (town) in the USA, where it first happened! All such cases in Russia are "secondary"! Therefore, you can "sell" your "statistical" conclusions to anyone, but it's useless to me! I have already "decided" for a long time! I am a very impulsive person ... and if there was a law on the right to have a firearm, then I would: 1. have it; 2. someone would have already crashed ... Protesting against "the right to acquire and have a firearm ... ", I care: 1. about myself ...; 2. about my" neighbors "...
                1. -1
                  16 November 2019 16: 55
                  From 93 to 00 I served in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, in the regional department, i.e. on the "land", worked on many "everyday" and "orders", and I am absolutely sure (I have reason for that) that most of the "everyday" and even several "orders" would not exist if citizens had the right to wear short-handed, with a corresponding change in judicial practice in self-defense cases and a change in the law in the field of property protection, of course. In addition, I personally saw how even inveterate idiots are disciplined by wearing service weapons. Having received a "constant", young operas tried not to give the authorities the slightest reason to deprive them of this right.
                  And further. You constantly mention the USA, and I consider the example of Moldova, the Baltic states, the Czech Republic, etc. to be more obvious. Citizens got the right to wear a short barrel after the collapse of the USSR, and there was no surge of violence there, on the contrary, the crime rate decreased, and so on everywhere. If you can, give at least one example where, after the legalization of the short-barrel, the crime rate has increased.
      7. +9
        14 November 2019 10: 53
        Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
        Reading such articles, it somehow becomes uncomfortable.
        Under the Union, this was not.

        There was no Internet under the Union, but there was censorship.
        Do you think that in the Union they could have printed on the front page of a newspaper like: "Komsomolets shot students in a technical school"?
      8. 0
        14 November 2019 11: 42
        In the USSR, negative news simply did not go on the air. Yes, and there was no Internet, which dramatically reduced the ability to exchange information. In today's hyper-informational world, a bad example is quickly becoming contagious. And by and large, the fault lies with the parents - it was they who could not raise the child and instill in him a proper attitude to society, conflict and human life. I myself am quite young, and my adolescence was just in time for the development of Internet technologies, but I can say responsibly, in spite of everything neither my friends nor my school classmates have ever thought of shedding blood. To leave after classes as a man one on one to talk with the offender, right up to the fight - yes, it happened more than once. But no more than that - that’s how we were brought up.
  2. +13
    14 November 2019 06: 14
    They wanted to live in the West! Receive bully . Bae. Penalties in Europe, stupid laws from there, and the current population zp cheap. feel
    1. 0
      14 November 2019 06: 48
      In Ukraine, Europe has already "arrived" there with salaries good good ..
      1. +2
        14 November 2019 09: 52
        Where did you find "good-good" there?
        Up to thirty with a squeak falls short and then only recently.
        https://index.minfin.com.ua/labour/salary/average/%D0%A3%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0/
      2. 0
        15 November 2019 00: 51
        I do not live in Ukraine.
  3. +18
    14 November 2019 06: 19
    This is not westernization. It's dumb virality like catching Pokemon. Psychopathic personalities have a syndrome of imitation, "this is our everything." And the more and more often they talk about this topic in the mass media, the more psychopaths will dream about this. What would change if no one knew about it? Nothing except that the young morons would not once again be affirmed in the sweet sick "righteousness" of such actions. The virality of the regime's "wanderers" is of the same "Pokemon" nature. Do not broadcast from each "iron" the number of slobbering fighters for all the good will sharply decrease. And I do not need to talk about the violation of someone's "freedom of speech". But "they have there" ..... For me it is "here". Any uncomfortable truth about life will be hidden, no one will ever know about it, simply, only "rumors". There are plenty of examples.
    1. +13
      14 November 2019 06: 33
      The trouble is that these "all irons" are owned by the liberot. And if one of them does not howl at such hot news, the rest in unison will brand him as a "protector of the redhead" and will scream long and disgustingly that the state is silent about "terrible tragedies" that will be immediately invented. Again screaming about censorship, etc. etc.
      I read on the social network that it turns out there was a "powerful explosion" on the visa! Why are the media silent? The liberals raged. The photo was posted. And in the photo there is a pile of clouds. My friends from VISA laughed. And the "news" was thrown out from another area)))
      This is how all (almost) "tragedies" are molded. And liberals on the go talk about "the dead and the wounded", about the "victims to which no one cares." But really - just a cloud hi
      1. +2
        14 November 2019 06: 56
        Their nature is the same hype and populism. This is what YouTube "sewer" is pushing. This world has its own laws of hype on any protest, news, since it is the protest that causes the largest number of views. So this is "good". Check out liberoids of youtubers. Everything is as if on selection. What the hell are youtubers? Read Damansky's articles on V.O. analyze. The same hype, "Baba Yaga is against". Take any good idea or weapon known to be Russian-made and pour plenty of slop. Here is the secret of the articles from Damansky.
        1. +7
          14 November 2019 08: 33
          wow wow easy. YouTube is not only sewage. According to it, millions of people study, develop, repair things, listen to audio books, music, watch movies, including educational, as well as lectures. So someone who goes there for sewer knowledge is not a YouTube problem. Hype is not a YouTube video. ... this is a global trend. Hype appeared when the media became too much to offer exclusive content, so the media went along a simple proven path to show violence and any moronic, gay crap, it always attracts most people with an abomination.
          1. 0
            14 November 2019 12: 55
            I talked about YouTube regarding this topic. Every normal person knows how to use it with profit.
      2. +12
        14 November 2019 07: 00
        Quote: tracer
        It's dumb virality like catching pokemon.

        Quote: Stroibat stock
        The trouble is that these "all irons" are owned by the liberot.

        good
        I support both. I just want to remind you of one feature that is prevalent in the Land of the Soviets that holds back "psychopaths" and "majors". If any individual at a young age committed similar (or less gravity) socially dangerous acts, then his career in work or study, as well as his place of residence, could change for the worse. And girls like Mara Baghdasaryan could never live in Moscow.
        Therefore, ostentatious bravado and illegal "exploits" among young people and, especially, students were not practiced and were not held in high esteem. Then, how exactly now, is it a trend to flaunt in public and even on YuoTube with base deeds and nasty crimes in the hope of gaining (???) fame. Although, by right, they should receive an adequate punishment for the offense.
        hi
        1. +1
          14 November 2019 10: 10
          Correctly said.
          Everyone should be confident in the inevitability of punishment, and this should deter everyone from crime, but if someone is rolling and others see it, then they start rolling themselves: "What if it will roll and I'll be cool." But sometimes a scythe on a stone finds and it turns out "Cool life - but not long".
  4. +8
    14 November 2019 06: 21
    Nonsense, dolbik easily owns a firearm, a respectable litter in the trash!
    1. -1
      14 November 2019 06: 30
      He most likely stole it from his father. This is a completely different article of the law.
      1. +2
        14 November 2019 09: 03
        in Russian spring they write that weapons were registered on him
        https://rusvesna.su/news/1573702290
    2. -6
      14 November 2019 08: 56
      where did he get the shotgun ??? as usual took from dad from the safe
  5. -24
    14 November 2019 06: 28
    Star-striped six-pointed ears clearly stick out here.
    1. +6
      14 November 2019 06: 57
      This is a tragedy and such jokes are not appropriate.
  6. +4
    14 November 2019 06: 38
    Infa scattered. I believe it’s too early to draw any conclusions. request
  7. +3
    14 November 2019 06: 42
    Mdaaa ... as in that joke, where the blind and one-eyed went to the "girls" ... "BL @ No.! That's it! ,, We've arrived,! ... Hello, girls!"
  8. +2
    14 November 2019 06: 43
    To a large extent, the consequence is the feeling of impunity instilled in young people by the state. Everyone is to blame: officials, social conditions, social workers, imperialism, housing conditions, the wrong format of education ... just not the future "Raskolnikov" himself. So the second generation of people with a lack of social responsibility has grown up.
    Impunity for little things breeds crime.
    1. +4
      14 November 2019 09: 05
      what kind of impunity? he shot himself. moreover, his head was in order. he shot selectively - that is, he took revenge. and the firearm was registered on him. that is, what kind of test did he pass when he received a weapon.
  9. -3
    14 November 2019 06: 47
    All this is TV. Especially Russian, why did TNT be included in the package of free digital TV channels?
    What is shown in Germany, the wife was there and watched the local TV, and so, the film "Die Hard" is cut off, all scenes of violence are cut out.
    US example, watch from 10 minutes
    1. +1
      14 November 2019 07: 37
      I do not know! I was in Germany for almost half a year and did not notice the "cutting" of films. True, I didn't really watch them because of the language barrier. All sorts of broadcasts, sounded like ours.
    2. 0
      14 November 2019 09: 30
      [quote = Vitas]
      US example, look
      Helped?
    3. 0
      14 November 2019 09: 59
      on the roller, the limit for a driver in the States is 0,8 ppm, then they are considered drunk.
      Interestingly, are there at least some scientifically substantiated values ​​of the blood alcohol content at which it is permissible to drive a car? why in different countries this level is different at times?
      1. +3
        14 November 2019 11: 02
        Quote: Avior
        why in different countries this level is different at times?

        In our country, the emphasis is on catching drivers from a hangover, so the standard has actually been brought to zero. Business however.
  10. +2
    14 November 2019 07: 01
    Legislatively oblige the media, since they cannot but report such things, add some epithet like "gn ... a", "u..dok" for example, and not "Kerch shooter" to the name of "arrow".
  11. -3
    14 November 2019 07: 27
    We must really return the death penalty ... for such comrades.
    1. 0
      14 November 2019 09: 06
      he returned it to himself
  12. 0
    14 November 2019 07: 36
    We must do this, we must do this .... at least learn to live, to control the situation that has developed now!
  13. 0
    14 November 2019 07: 41
    [/ quote] student allegedly carried the gun into the college building earlier, hiding it in the toilet [quote]

    Anywhere but not in the toilet. This is hard to believe. And how can one carry a whole gun and hide it there ?! The information is of course superficial. Yes, and there must be some kind of motive. What and who hit him so interestingly ...
  14. +1
    14 November 2019 07: 45
    https://ria.ru/20191114/1560910507.html
    Two are killed, three are injured. Previously, the cause of what happened is a conflict with peers.
    1. 0
      14 November 2019 08: 26
      The Ministry of Health of the Amur Region says that one person died, three were injured of varying severity.

      The VO news is correct. The second - the shooter shot himself.
  15. -4
    14 November 2019 07: 51
    They will play enough in "shooters" and confuse reality with the game! Before selling weapons it is necessary to find out whether the buyer is playing "shooters"? And if "yes" - refuse to sell! Another question - where were the guards looking? Did you solve scanwords?
    1. -4
      14 November 2019 09: 07
      the gun is most likely not his, but relatives. As for security, now everyone is smart: they don’t have the right to inspect bags without police, etc. etc. so do not count on arming, the maximum will press the panic button.
  16. -2
    14 November 2019 08: 25
    People grow up in informational violence, often experiencing economic and social problems and insufficient attention from their parents, which ultimately gives such a result.
  17. 0
    14 November 2019 08: 59
    To educate anyone, you need to have well-educated educators. Now there are already many educators who themselves received education during the time of Perestroika.
  18. -4
    14 November 2019 10: 19
    I already wrote and will write again: multiply-charged rifles must be sold after five years of ownership, as well as rifled ones.
    1. +4
      14 November 2019 10: 35
      And at the same time register axes in the licensing department. And only after five years of owning a kitchen knife.
      1. 0
        14 November 2019 10: 39
        Psychologically, pulling the trigger is much easier than hitting an ax, especially taking into account the skills gained from computer games. For immature individuals and psychopaths, this will be a deterrent.
  19. 0
    14 November 2019 10: 32
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    I do not know! I was in Germany for almost half a year and did not notice the "cutting" of films. True, I didn't really watch them because of the language barrier. All sorts of broadcasts, sounded like ours.

    Cable or nationwide?
  20. +2
    14 November 2019 10: 50
    The next news feed is to push through the law on disarmament of the population, the ban on hunting for everyone except deputies. The deputies are not to blame for the fact that they have such an aggressive and illiterate population.
  21. +3
    14 November 2019 12: 54
    No need to focus exclusively on educators and teachers? Not that age category!
    Apparently, the guy was brought to the handle. Everyone is amicably discussing "injured, unhappy children", who, by the way, are 18-19 years old, and the fact that these children, according to their friends, are "good, good athletes", suggests that these children kept the majority in fear college students.
    Such gangs exist in all educational institutions starting from schools and, as a species, find their continuation in the form of hazing in the armed forces!
  22. -1
    15 November 2019 18: 18
    in fact, I don’t understand why we are talking about the consequences here ???
    The reason is always more important !!!
    Here we have to fight with her!
    It was clearly a revenge! He did not shoot everyone in a row, like a Crimean scumbag.
    The teacher was taken out of the office! Shot at specific people!
    One to one as in Blagoveshchensk ... the guy didn’t just press the trigger! And also he shot not everyone in a row!
    And when there is a reason ... there is also an instrument of vengeance ... a knife, an ax. yes anything