Ukrainian Naftogaz rejected Gazprom's offer to nullify claims

The Ukrainian Naftogaz rejected the offer of the Russian Gazprom to “nullify” mutual claims. According to the executive director of the Ukrainian company, Yuri Vitrenko, in Kiev they are ready to consider various options for ships with a Russian company, but only “not zeroing out” the Stockholm arbitration.

Earlier, the Russian Gazprom proposed to the authorities of Ukraine and the Naftogaz company the cancellation of all currently existing gas claims between Ukraine and Russia, as a condition for concluding a new gas agreement with Kiev. The proposal was made in the presence of representatives of the European Commission, but Naftogaz reacted critically to it.

We do not accept such an offer at all. (...) Just forget about it (about the decision of the Stockholm arbitration) - we can’t

- said Vitrenko.

As previously stated in the Ukrainian company, Naftogaz valued its claims against Gazprom as much as 22 billion dollars, which included: the decision of the Stockholm arbitration for almost three billion, a lawsuit against 12 billions and seven billion fines imposed by the Antimonopoly Committee of Ukraine. At the same time, Vitrenko said that the company was ready to reduce the lawsuit from 12 billion to 2 billion if the transit of Russian gas from 2020 of the year through the Ukrainian gas transportation system continued, with the income from this remaining at the same level.

The head of the Ministry of Energy of the Russian Federation, Alexander Novak, stated that the claims of the Ukrainian company against the Russian Gazprom are absurd.

The current agreement between Moscow and Kiev on gas transit through the territory of Ukraine expires at the end of the 2019 of the year. If the parties do not agree, and everything goes to the point that there will not be a new “normal” contract due to Naftogaz’s position, Russia will propose a short contract on the existing conditions necessary for the completion of the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline.

At the same time, the lack of transit through Ukraine will not affect the gas supply of Europe in accordance with the existing agreements. As Gazprom previously stated, the company has accumulated the required amount of gas in European UGS facilities, and can also buy gas in spot markets.

Comments

[Honest Citizen]

I remember that on one of the resources there was "ukrogaso ...." further cut by censorship ....
Well, apparently the generation of teenagers has grown, but the topic has remained the same, now it has been moved to a new level, and even "europeceff" has been connected. And the question is solved simply - close the valve and that's it. Well, tolerastics in Europe will freeze until SP2 is completed - so you look and they will begin to move faster.

[poquello]

Quote: Honest Citizen

I remember that on one of the resources there was "ukrogaso ...." further cut by censorship ....
Well, apparently the generation of teenagers has grown, but the topic has remained the same, now it has been moved to a new level, and even "europeceff" has been connected. And the question is solved simply - close the valve and that's it. Well, tolerastics in Europe will freeze until SP2 is completed - so you look and they will begin to move faster.

right, no dill transit, and on the border with ext. extra charge

[mso.716]

Yeah. LNG terminals to build

[Hunter 2]

I don’t understand ... The brothers refuse to pay 3 yards, despite all the International Courts ... And We - What are We Afraid of?
Send them to. Strengthen the defense! And then Exactly - I have to come and understand Kuev.
Ours is Gas ... OUR demands, don't like it, go Forest. And so worries enough!
It amazes me that playing with cheaters - We are trying to achieve something .... WHO EXCEPT RUSSIA - is trying to comply with "international" legislation ???

[Voyager]

We are afraid that they will arrest our foreign assets and will continue to arrest. And the risks with such European courts will only increase

[YasenPen]

Quote: Hunter 2

Ours is Gas ... OUR requirements

Are you serious, gas is OUR? Oh yes, this is "folk" National treasure[i] [/ i]!

[Alexey Safronov]

And like he used to be popular? Do not make me laugh! Previously, he did not belong to the people either, he belonged to the state, and the state covered part of the population’s expenses — free food, travel, etc. The same thing is happening now, but not as productively as it could have been, but it could have been better if someone hadn’t shown off in 91-93, and then hadn’t voted for the drunk 3 times in a row, thereby participating in the collapse and plunder of the country for 10 years

[Piramidon]

Quote: mso.716

Yeah. LNG terminals to build

Oh, woke up. Did all Turkish and Nordic flows oversleep?

[mso.716]

Life along the way teaches you nothing)

[Alex Nevs]

In the jumps of the roller they warm up, and he hid them through the Maldives Well, dumb in racing.

[jaroff]

And where to put gas? Not later, but, for example, tomorrow, if the valve is closed. After all, gas rushes on its own. It must be pumped somewhere. Do not jam the wells.

[dgonni]

So to block would be the best option. But there is one little catch. Gazprom has long-term gas supply contracts for European companies. And if gas will not be supplied in contract volumes, then European companies will pile on Gazprom in bulk. And Stockholm’s decision in favor of Naftogaz at 2,6 lard of dead raccoons will seem like a funny sneeze. There, ships will be counted in hundreds of lards. And under entomo the European market will capture Qatar, together with the states of its LNG. But that's not all! Gazprom will be recognized as an unreliable supplier, and in Europe the reputation is worth more than money!

[Dmitry Potapov]

Che they are so few 12000000000? Can they still smear their faces with fat?

[kit88]

Where do such figures come from? It seems we are selling. And they owe us, and not vice versa. What is going on there at all, we owe them more and more, although it seems that we no longer sell gas to them?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: kit88

Where do such figures come from?

If cocaine is added to the vodka, it will not seem right. To be continued.

[Lbt21]

We should not pay them for gas, but for gas transit!

[Terenin]

Quote: kit88

Where do such figures come from? It seems we are selling. And they owe us, and not vice versa. What is going on there at all, we owe them more and more, although it seems that we no longer sell gas to them?

21 signs of the presence of Satan ...
VI. The devil is the father of lies and the first deceiver: promises the golden mountains, and pays with broken shards.
VII. The devil is the first schemer. Insidiousness is his innate trait. Obsessed with morbid curiosity with regard to all secrets. He spreads gossip and slander, finding that particular pleasure, and reports his intrigues only in order to once again laugh at the gullible. Everything he does is built on a cold calculation.
XII. The devil is always a nihilist and a cynic. Secretly despises the truths of the Holy Church and human order, and rejects them in practice, if he is not afraid to drop the mask from his face.
Xiii. The devil loves to do everything in the dark, behind and vice versa. Perversity of taste is the primary sign of the devil. The habit of contradiction is the indestructible property of the devil.

[Luvad]

Full b - lo

[private person]

lawsuit for a 12 billion and seven billion fine, appointed by the Antimonopoly Committee of Ukraine

Well now let some court in Russia fine ukran for something. Well, as an option for the fact that the "ancient Ukrainians" dug the Black Sea without asking.

[mig29mks]

And what kind of rent of shovels and stretchers the money has not been paid !!!))))))

[private person]

Well, as an option, but by the way from whom they rented.

[mig29mks]

And who is the ancient ancient ukrov? From those and rented !!!!))))

[Lelek]

Quote: Dmitry Potapov

Che they are so few 12000000000? Can they still smear their faces with fat?

Lard is good, but bucks are better. Not by nightfall, the aforementioned Benya Kalo-moisky offers to turn the rotten Ruin to face Russia for just ... 100 lard of these pieces of paper. As the Japanese say: "niherase" (but maybe they don't say that). 100 lard, and what in return? A plundered, ruined territory with an angry population? Well, no - on the "macaque" and God forbid, even for free (well, if only the southeast).

[Prjanik]

Of course, I understand that arrogance is the second happiness, but ... they will not crack anything ?!

[210ox]

Well, you know, it still hasn’t cracked. And the appetite comes with eating. Once you couldn’t cover the havalnik about five years ago, you will have to feed the insatiable. Yes, the transit will surely remain, of course, not in such a volume, but Europeans will sell the Kremlin. And court decisions will not go anywhere .. Politics, her mother ..

[Prjanik]

Such is the modern competition for the energy market, not war - and that’s good. But I think that our greedy beggar neighbors will either moderate their appetites or remain with nothing, because in Europe everyone understands that there is no alternative to cheap Russian gas.

[alexmach]

Yes, transit will surely be preserved, of course, not to such an extent, but still, Europeans will sell the Kremlin

Yes, Gazprom itself needs transit. Well, for example, in case the Turks begin to vomit.

And court decisions will not go anywhere ..

Let's see ... Next year the appeal .. but those new lawsuits in my opinion are completely hopeless.

[Lbt21]

I think no! There is a court decision which, according to an agreement between us and ukrami, must resolve issues! So we are waiting for the next "no money, but you hold on")))))

[Prjanik]

These are not courts, but circuses with horses, as the political situation develops, such will give birth to verdicts.

[Brturin]

Quote: Lbt21

There is a court decision which, under an agreement between us and Ukraine, must resolve issues!

Then you need to wait for the final court decision - how many times have Naftogaz already arrested one thing or another and ... an appeal has been filed ... there will be decisions at the end of November, but for now ..

[NKT]

Gazprom has pledged this money to its current budget. He could have paid, but the 404 dishonest country, the money is simply stolen and if that is not given. Therefore, first appeal, decision and only then money.

[Vladimir61]

How tired of these news of Ukraine’s sleep !. Constantly the same thing, then about the Crimean bridge, then about the acquisition of two motor boats, then about the sanctions and the courts against Russia. This is the same as reading daily the notes of the doctor on duty at the psychiatric dispensary about the moods and statements of the patients he observes.

[GRF]

this patient, who is not tied up but, on the contrary, is being harried, has plans for how to harm us in plain text, and you suggest not to be watched? not to blame him? not to discuss it? forget about him?
for example, complete silence, the special services are engaged in it and they suddenly bang and begin to bomb, for serious reasons. what questions and attitude to our special services will you have? because the whole world community will unanimously stigmatize them, and we have so many relatives!
vaccination, this is a voluntary infection, in order to win in the bud, and who said that it will be easy?
Such problems were hushed up in the USSR and what is the result?
in addition, rewriting history in silent mode is easier!
so who cares about? tired of the topic why are you reading, commenting on it? No others? so write about yours, read with interest! we have freedom of speech w ...
you all understood this for a long time, but for example, it’s still not clear to me why the Russians defend other people's interests to the detriment of themselves, abandoning even their own kind, and without understanding this, how can one be sure of the future of Russia?

[Mountain shooter]

The conversation with the blackmailers is short. No negotiations, no indulgences. Valves close, diversify supplies. At VNA put an end to the coming years. There is no one to negotiate with ...

[knn54]

They have already considered a considerable prize for themselves, and then reset it.

[seti]

Quote: knn54

They have already considered a considerable prize for themselves, and then reset it.

I just took it off my tongue :) I have to return it then.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: knn54

They have already considered a considerable prize for themselves, and then reset it.

Quote: seti

Quote: knn54

They have already considered a considerable prize for themselves, and then reset it.

I just took it off my tongue :) I have to return it then.

Yes, gentlemen are not interested with you, I just returned from work, and it’s just removed from the language

[To be or not to be]

I wonder why Gazprom will not sue Naftogaz of Ukraine for undermining the business reputation of Gazprom, the constant inability to comply with the signed contracts and thereby causing Gazprom financial losses ????

[Lbt21]

What do you think Gazprom and Russia have a reputation in the West ???)))) We are for them wild people, led by an autocrat and the eternal Path of Inom)))

[To be or not to be]

Fyodor Dostoevsky in 1861 in the journal Vremya, which he published with his brother Mikhail.
"" "For Europe, Russia is one of the mysteries of the Sphinx."

“No China, no Japan can be covered by such a secret for European inquisitiveness, like Russia, before, at the present moment and even, perhaps, for a very long time in the future. We do not exaggerate. China and Japan are, firstly, too far from Europe, and secondly, access there is sometimes very difficult; Russia is all open to Europe, the Russians keep themselves completely unbuttoned before the Europeans, and meanwhile the character of the Russian is perhaps even weaker described in the mind of a European than the character of a Chinese or Japanese. For Europe, Russia is one of the mysteries of the Sphinx. ”
Regarding the reputation of Gazprom in Europe .. Dissemble. Dear. oh cunning ..
The obvious confirmation of North 1 and 2 will be THREE .... Yes, the Turkish stream, the south .. without a reputation this is not built .. I am silent about the Power of Siberia ..

[Lbt21]

Why can't they build without a reputation? They build as they build if for the money of Gazprom !!! Here the reputation is not needed (sucker grandma invests) and Europe knows how to count money ....

[Ros 56]

I don’t understand why ours are scurrying about these miserable. Send them after the New Year in the forest to cut firewood for heating and all business. Turkish seems to start working in December, Chinese should earn next. In the extreme it will not be enough, you can adjust a couple of tankers from Yamal to the liquefied one, like the Germans have a terminal. Honestly, it’s a shame to look at our power engineers, they’re crucifying, but before whom, in front of these Banderlog woodpeckers.

[mso.716]

It seems, like, like .. And if it’s not, then there are contracts that need to be fulfilled .. only without transit through Ukraine it does not work

[Pessimist22]

They say that the volume is accumulated, and if you still need to buy in Europe on the spot market.

[Kenxnumx]

Yes you are an optimist, not a pessimist

[tihonmarine]

Quote: mso.716

.only without transit through Ukraine it does not work

As you got tired of the extra, it's time to start working.

[LON]

Quote: tihonmarine

As you got tired of the extra, it's time to start working.

You think that the example of Russia is indicative in this regard, where the main "job" is to fill up wells.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: LON

You think that the example of Russia is indicative in this regard, where the main "job" is to fill up wells.

And I do not consider anything, I have bad arithmetic, but I see when they climb into someone else's pocket. In our village, such people were called "beggars", they are idlers and cunning. Your time is gone.

[LON]

Quote: tihonmarine

I don’t count anything

Well no. You think they are loafers. Do not engage in verbiage.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: LON

Well no. You think they are loafers. Do not engage in verbiage.

The person who wants to take away from another person is who? Well, everyone understood, I do not insult. And a person who does not want to work, but to receive money from another is a loafer. (read the dictionaries). And a person who does not want to work, but to receive money is a trifle. Maybe I didn’t read it right? Again two questions.

[LON]

Quote: tihonmarine

I don’t think anything, I have a bad arithmetic

And a person who does not want to work, but to receive money from another is a loafer.

Judging by your comment, you just "think". Do not engage in verbiage.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: LON

Judging by your comment, you just "think". Do not engage in verbiage.

This is not verbiage, do not pretend. That's life. And you yourself well know that

beggar - noun, number of synonyms: 14 beggar 3 beggar 16 beggar 7 beggar 6 beggar 17 beggar 94 food brood 1 beggar 10 beggar 9 beggar 1 beggar 35 khanyga 9 christradnik 5 ball skier "Dictionary of Russian synonyms"

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[mso.716]

Well, why did you work so badly that SP2 did not finish building on NG?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: mso.716

Well, why did you work so badly that SP2 did not finish building on NG?

Well, I’m wondering, "What did you do to prevent your country from freezing and starving? This is YOU personally, Mikhail Malakhov ??? Or your state. Or maybe the government? Only one questions to you."

[mso.716]

And which country froze and starved to death?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: mso.716

And which country froze and starved to death?

We will see when frosts come in Ukraine.

[mso.716]

We’ll be watching the fifth year ..

[tihonmarine]

Quote: mso.716

We’ll be watching the fifth year ..

Watch, it does not freeze.

[mso.716]

I’ll ask .. What was the SP2 built for?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: mso.716

I’ll ask .. What was the SP2 built for?

The answer is simple "Not for you!"

[Lelek]

Quote: mso.716

Well, why did you work so badly that SP2 did not finish building on NG?

Yes, all because your friends are constantly sticks in wheels, then oil on the road, then a bunch of crap under the door.

[mso.716]

Ayayay .. It’s difficult, of course .. And who said that it will be easy ..
You can’t handle it; you have to compromise

[Lelek]

Quote: mso.716

You can’t handle it; you have to compromise

We were late with advice. We have long been "compromising" with whom we need to and successfully. Well, for you personally in the words of Pinocchio: "teach your spiders."

[tihonmarine]

Quote: mso.716

Ayayay .. It’s difficult, of course .. And who said that it will be easy ..
You can’t handle it; you have to compromise

What do you mean, we can handle it! And what will you get from this? And although personally I do not understand what you want, but I think that negativity leads to negativity. And what "compromises" can there be, (with whom)? With people who want to live at the expense of others. But I understood, you will not understand me.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: mso.716

Well, why did you work so badly that SP2 did not finish building on NG?

Do you have a new year? Well, happy holiday to you!

Quote: mso.716

I’ll ask .. What was the SP2 built for?

To bypass Ukraine and not depend on its whims and wishes. We bypassed the railway, and we will also bypass the gas. Your "holiday" about the slowdown in the construction of SP-2 will end with the completion of its construction and commissioning, just as your dancing ended in connection with the commissioning of the Crimean bridge. Then what will you "rejoice" about?

Quote: mso.716

You can’t handle it; you have to compromise

What is it with you? You are not the subject of negotiations with which a compromise is possible due to the fact that you are simply an object in respect of which a compromise can be achieved through negotiations between the entities, in other words, between Russia, Europe and the USA. Your destiny is to wait for the results of their decision.

[mso.716]

It can be seen how they worked out .. Gazprom swelled billions into the flows, 2.5 billion sticks out to Naftogaz and it’s quite possible that Ukraine will have to leave transit .. It’s perfectly decided

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Lelek

Yes, all because your friends are constantly sticks in wheels, then oil on the road, then a bunch of crap under the door.

This is not a diagnosis, but genetics.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: mso.716

It seems, like, like .. And if it’s not, then there are contracts that need to be fulfilled .. only without transit through Ukraine it does not work

This year, due to the expected Ukrainian freaks, gas was supplied to Europe in a record volume and in excess of the standard, incl. the volumes specified in the contracts are already there. Another question is the expediency of supporting the performance of the Ukrainian GTS, since without filling with gas, it will fall into final decay. Kiev relied on the fact that Denmark will continue to restrain itself in the part of issuing a permit for the construction of the SP-2, and therefore wanted to bargain for more favorable terms, but ... now they simply do not have time to resolve the issue of transferring the GTS to a new operator and prepare the contract, and therefore they will gnaw the frostbitten pig ears and rely on the goodwill of Moscow, which will probably allow itself to be "persuaded" by the representatives of the European Commission on gas and separately by Angela Merkel under the pretext of European insurance for the winter period. Although, the most correct thing would be to turn off the valve on the night of 31.12.19/01.01.20/XNUMX to XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX, so that the fruit of the "works" of Ukrainian citizens, the US and the EU on the "Euroassociation" of Ukraine would be felt not in words, but in deeds.

[private person]

only without transit through Ukraine does it fail

Beggars are counting on this, because it was not in vain that Denmark pulled with permission to build SP-2, and the deadlines for paying debts at the IMF came up. Even if Russia, purely hypothetically, starts paying, Ukraine will not see this money; everything will go towards paying debts. It all depends on the will of our government to bend or show bamboo, in any case, the wait is not long.

[Well done]

Sending is easy. And who will freeze? Obviously not figures, politicians, navtogaz employees, etc. Kindergartens, schools, hospitals will freeze ... This is how it will turn out. Trump will "help" LNG and state employees will thaw out in the spring ...

[Evil echo]

And why should our head hurt for theirs

. kindergartens, schools, hospitals ..

?

[Well done]

Well, if you don't have a headache for "them", that's your right. But I feel sorry for the common people.

[Evil echo]

You can redirect part of your income to "theirs" in need, or send gas cylinders by mail to kraynyak.

[gridasov]

It is absolutely true that Ukrainian companies are gangster companies that have nothing in common with the people. It’s a joy to them that it’s lessening the people. The authorities in Ukraine are strong, arrogant and smart people. And in Russia, it is worth noting the wisdom of the leadership, for many years holding back emotions.

[Kenxnumx]

It is noticeable that you do not understand. But if you don’t understand, you might try to read what’s the matter, and not share your misunderstanding with the same misunderstanding. The key word is supply contracts. Hint - how much can we pump through the remaining pipelines, given that the flows are halved.

[businessv]

How many copies have already been broken when discussing the issue of "Russian debts" to Naftogaz, that one does not even want to discuss anything else! Indeed, today, after the expiration of the contract, it is easier to complete the gas supply through outdated Ukrainian equipment with new, but still stupid leadership!

[fa2998]

Quote: Honest Citizen

close the valve and that’s it.

Well, of course! The previous contract has been fulfilled. The new one is not concluded. What is now to humiliate ourselves in front of a transit country - "let us in." Yes, any country is fighting for transit in the world, this is PRIVILEGE!
As long as there is gas in Europe (in storage facilities), the gas pipeline will be extended there. If they don’t have time, let them take it in tankers.

[Ross xnumx]

As previously stated in the Ukrainian company, Naftogaz assessed its claims against Gazprom at as much as $ 22 billion, which included: the decision of the Stockholm Arbitration Court for almost three billion, a claim for 12 billion and seven billion in a fine appointed by the Antimonopoly Committee of Ukraine.

Deep! I would say - the deepest efficiency of Gazprom! So please the Russian taxpayer with claims of a state that is not legally formed. The state, which decided to fill the gaps of its own "wise leadership" for Russian money (population taxes).
I just want to see the final act of this show. I want to understand who is more valuable than mother history. The main thing is that the arbitration court is not offended for its correct decision on gas belonging to Russia.
I am torn by contradictions in terms of: who created a similar situation in our country and why should we listen to this Ukrainian chatter several times a week?

[Ru_Na]

When it comes to ukrov that SP-2 is beneficial to Europe itself, especially Germany, to the EU locomotive and to deprive itself of the opportunity to get cheap energy because of some Wishlist in Kiev and its Washington owners, they have not gone crazy in Berlin!

[mso.716]

And what do Ukrainians bother you with? Pump gas through the 2 joint venture and spit on these ukrov ..

[tihonmarine]

Quote: mso.716

And what do Ukrainians bother you with? Pump gas through the 2 joint venture and spit on these ukrov ..

Of course they bother. Here we sit, chat, and so boredom bend. The circus is free, at least have fun.

[private person]

When it comes to ukrov that the SP-2 is beneficial to Europe itself, especially Germany, the EU locomotive

But it is also beneficial for the EU that these Ukrainians begin to repay debts. And where to get the money, the ukrov do not have it, but they can only take it from Russia. Hence, the withdrawal of Europe is beneficial if the Ukrainians win the courts, obliging Russia to pay for the debts of the "little brother".

[Jerk]

"Tell me, do you understand the hints? - yes, if I know it's a hint. - Then pay attention - a hint."

Moreover, Alexei Borisovich’s “plan B” has been ready since the summer. In mid-August, the floating regasification terminal Marshal Vasilevsky arrived in Rotterdam. Officially - to provide gas to the Kaliningrad region, but if necessary, it is quite possible to ship the very missing 60 billion cubic meters of gas in the form of LNG through ships to the European Union GTS.

[NKT]

Firstly, he went for gas to America for Europe, and secondly, he has a capacity of only 5.3 billion m3 per year.

[Kerensky]

At the same time, the absence of transit through Ukraine will in no way affect the gas supply to Europe under the existing agreements. As previously stated in Gazprom, the company has accumulated the required volume of gas in European underground gas storage facilities,

Well, everything seems to be said here. Our gas is already in place, there is no need for transit.

[Lbt21]

And where did you save up some money?

[Thrifty]

Our government does not have a ridge to put ukroin in place. Overwhelm them with claims worth hundreds of billions of dollars. On one of their lawsuits a dozen of ours!

[taiga2018]

Quote: Thrifty

There is no ridge in our power,

As long as people are in power with outdated ideas about the "brotherly" people thirty years ago, it will be so ...

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

I agree! These, brothers, are too expensive for our budget.

[Kenxnumx]

You would be so smart in power, that Russia would flourish. And for the lost claims by Russia, who will pay according to yours. And tens of millions of lawyers. Yes, and where are the claims. In the arbitration court of Kiev?

[cat Rusich]

Yu. Vetrenko decided (due to excessive use of lard) that he was a temnik Mamai. Soon new "Baskaks" will come to Moscow ... to collect tribute (payment for pumping gas through the GTS) for 12 years. The Russian people and all the peoples living in Russia will throw off the "yoke" of Ukraine - we will stop pumping our (Russian) gas through the Ukrainian GTS.

[Lexus]

Naftogaz estimated its claims against Gazprom at as much as $ 22 billion, which included: the decision of the Stockholm Arbitration Court for almost three billion, a claim for $ 12 billion and a seven billion fine appointed by the Antimonopoly Committee of Ukraine.

The Stockholm Arbitration Tribunal has already forgiven Ukraine's debt for the supplied gas in the amount of $ 2 billion.

The head of the Ministry of Energy of the Russian Federation, Alexander Novak, stated that the claims of the Ukrainian company against the Russian Gazprom are absurd.

These are the gentlemen Novak and Miller - absurd in their positions. And the claims are quite specific, and the likelihood of Gazprom winning in them tends to zero. No, well, if not $ 22 + 2 billion to lose, but "only" $ 7 billion, then yes - this is another "great achievement of the Lilliputians."
Considering that Gazprom has turned on the back and begs for "peace", laying in some of its "budget" $ 4,7 billion for "reparations", it means that the Russians will soon be robbed again and again. Miller will run through his pockets with his cap.
On this question. I have never voted for them, like many Russians. So what "X" and will they fork out for me? Do putreots have no desire to throw off and pay off the debts of "the chosen one?"
Or do you know how to poke claudia, to fool and minus?

[Procopius Nesterov]

So far, these are your Wishlist and Dreams, who will be awarded to whom.
Who will fork you out? Gazprom paid 2.7 trillion rubles in taxes last year, that's more than $ 40 billion. Plus earned a net profit of $ 22 billion.
For comparison, the budget of Ukraine last year is 30 billion dollars.
What to take from you? You need a hundred years with your pennies. The word of reparation in you is given a broad Ukrainian .. They dream about them. The reparations are paid for by the defeated country in the war. I don’t see the Ukrainian troops taking Moscow, Novosibirsk and Vladivostok.

[Lexus]

What to take from you? You need a hundred years with your pennies. The word of reparation in you is given out by a broad Ukrainian ..

When you talk to me, you need to get up from your haunches, take off the cap from the back of your head, and politely express yourself in a respectful tone solely on "you". In Russian. Bowing, kissing your hands and wagging your tail is optional. Otherwise, I send it to a "known address" and do not provide assistance in collecting money.

[Igoresha]

cunning Gazprom, the court ordered the loot to pay - pay, and then reset

[mso.716]

"To whom do I forgive everyone"

[Lbt21]

And who are you after that ????

[Procopius Nesterov]

You paid a loan of Russia in 3 billion dollars that you took before the Maidan?

[Gennady Fomkin]

New Year will be fun. Miller.

[IL-64]

I’m oh from commenters who don’t understand that any attempt to refuse gas supplies to Europe with the aim of punishing someone is all too early to slam an ass on an anti-personnel mine in a combat state. This will immediately transfer Russia to the category of a country that uses gas as a means of pressure. And the United States will be happy that their forecast has come true and Europe will take off the rose-colored glasses and lose the remnants of confidence, as a reliable provider. My applause to clever people

[Igoresha]

My applause to clever people

and these people still criticized Putin and the liberals)))

[Procopius Nesterov]

No Europe will lose confidence in the country laying transit Ukraine.
Germany lost 10 years ago, giving the go-ahead for the construction of Nord Stream 1. Now Nord Stream 2 is being completed.
Nobody needs a country gasket, it is superfluous in a business scheme, especially with such inadequate lawsuits.

[IL-64]

Please read what I wrote. There was not a word about what would happen if Ukraine ceases to be a transit country on its own initiative. I wrote about what will happen if Russia, wanting to punish someone, stops supplying gas to Europe

[Kenxnumx]

Moreover, supply contracts do not end at the end of 2019 at all, like a transit contract. And under these contracts the penalty will be such ......

[Procopius Nesterov]

Gazprom storages in Europe pumped gas to the eyeballs. So that's enough.
And with Ukraine, you don’t have to do anything more. It showed itself with its lawsuits as an unreliable country and transit through it is unprofitable. The sooner we get rid of this gasket. It's better.

[Kenxnumx]

Enough until March, and so on. And then - how. Stream 2 will not close the deficit. And taking into account the fact that the third energy protocol was pulled onto the flows, then both flows will pump as much as the first pumped before the summer. And the contract is for delivery. So that you understand the consumer how violet you deliver gas. This is the problem of Gazprom. Do not deliver - there will be fines.

[Procopius Nesterov]

This does not apply to Nord Stream 1. Since it was built before May 2019, it is indicated there. So it will not affect its capacity. As for Nord Stream 2. The Bundestag can vote at any time and change its mind. They have the way today or tomorrow there will be a vote on this issue.
As for fines, I hope this doesn’t come to this, but it’s better to pay fines than to pay 3 billion dollars per year to Ukraine for transit and have some business with them.
You write about fines so confidently, can you link to the amount of fines?

[Kenxnumx]

SP-1 concerns, since the problem is in the land part, which falls under package 3. So far, the Bundestag has failed to smear the flows, but there is hope. The Germans can buck, the more reason to touch the Yankees.
As for fines, it’s a matter of arbitration, where will consumers go if they don’t get theirs. You have to buy expensive on spot and it is not known what will be more expensive, since the spot will rise in price.

[Procopius Nesterov]

So the news arrived, just released.
BERLIN, Nov 13 - RIA Novosti. The German parliament has passed a bill that removes Nord Stream 2 from the EU Gas Directive.

[Kenxnumx]

So the reliability voiced by me starts to come true :) It’s a pity that all the same, there’s not enough capacity, even if the first stream is beaten off, but the difference

[Brturin]

Quote: Ken71

So far, the Bundestag has failed to smear flows

The Bundestag has not made a final decision. There is an option to create an independent gas transmission operator on a 12-mile stretch in the territorial waters of Germany, Nord Stream 2 AG filed a lawsuit with the EU Court to partially repeal amendments to the Gas Directive. In addition to Opala, there is another Nel branch where a part of the stream is redirected ... Too many unknowns .... Wait and see ....

[IL-64]

But the idea to retroactively change the essential terms of commercial contracts, for example, the price, the legitimacy of which was confirmed by the Arbitration, should have horrified our partners, since this is something new in law. Lawyers let me correct. Does this mean that now Russia can do so retroactively? The main thing is to find with whom and what to recover?

[Procopius Nesterov]

Ukrainians so dream of providing Russian gas transit services. Helpful guys.
And they will get hysterical when other countries want to provide the same services. But what about the country as an aggressor, etc. Can you get lost?

[Old Horseradish]

As always, nothing new. Another bucket of slops for the Ukrainians. And rotten songs to the glory of the Russian oligarchy. But I feel purple about this "Gazprom" that they are hoarding an extra billion dollars somewhere in the West, diligently portraying a confrontation with the West and the United States. Russia's resources should serve the population, not a platoon of so-called oligarchs. In fact, they should be called differently.

[Machete]

In short, during the construction of the Streams, there will be no more conversations with the Ukrainians.
They dig their own grave.
Gazprom will survive, even if it is forced to pay something. But Ukrogaz - no.

[AAK]

It’s all right, to deliver gas to Europe through the north and south, and a little through Belarus, when it’s cool - jumps turn out higher and more energetically ...

[Ironcity]

Earlier, the Russian Gazprom proposed to the authorities of Ukraine and the Naftogaz company the cancellation of all currently existing gas claims between Ukraine and Russia, as a condition for concluding a new gas agreement with Kiev. The proposal was made in the presence of representatives of the European Commission, but Naftogaz reacted critically to it.

And I guessed! This brilliant move Gazprom tops spied on the African leaders, when they suggested to Putin: forgive us 20 billion. debts that we still cannot repay, and we will conclude contracts for another 100 billion that we cannot repay. But cho, they’ve got a ride from them, so it’s a good thing to do with ukri. But, something went wrong ....

[rocket757]

There will be no "zeroing" ... there is no business!

[prior]

Ukraine behaves not as a transit country, but as a parasite country.
Parasitizes on relations with Russia, parasitizes on relations with Europe and the USA.
And parasites must be poisoned, you can Domestos.
Block them not only gas, but also oil, coal, electricity, borders, sky, the Kerch Strait ...
They want to be independent of Russia - let them be.
Without "brothers" - parasites, Russia will not suffer in the least.

[evgen1221]

Absolutely right. But while they think in terms of fraternal peoples (well, for the people this is an excuse for actually personal gesheft). No one will seriously take anything.

[Berkut24]

Yes, everything is already, there will be no agreement, there will be no proposals.
Firstly, Naftogaz will no longer operate the pipe, what should we negotiate with it?
Secondly, if Gazprom is confident that it will not frustrate the heating season in Europe, then it won’t think about any contracts. And if necessary, then without the contract it will swing the missing, because Ukraine in the EU has already signed up to this.
The great freebie, for which Gazprom must also pay extra by the decision of the arbitration, is over. "Amba, karapuziki".

[mso.716]

If Gazprom is sure of this, then why is he scurrying about?

[Berkut24]

Gazprom is not fussing. Gazprom formally demonstrates to the European Commission that it is ready to negotiate within reasonable limits. The EU knows that the court's decision is "crooked". And in this situation, it is necessary to show that Ukraine itself blocks the transit of gas, setting deliberately unrealistic conditions and bombarding Gazprom with claims for schizophrenic reasons.
Europe needs to somehow get out of the situation by saving face. Pressure on Gazprom did not end with his surrender. The West did not succeed. Now the internal pressure of the economy, which needs cheap energy, is growing, the EU has begun the winter period, the risks are increasing. There is one who is ready to supply and there is one who is willing to sabotage supplies in the interests of the United States. Therefore, all that is happening now is the political and legal design of a new reality.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Insolent. That we spoiled them ,, fraternal help ,,

[mso.716]

What kind of help was this?
When we "take or pay" imposed on them at 350 $ per 1000 cubic meters .. This is brotherly

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

And the contract that Kuchma signed-10 years for 40 bucks-did you forget? ..

[D16]

Have they ever paid these 350? Recall how they took away debts with rockets, then bombers, or with government bonds in the amount of three billion, for which no one is going to repay debts?

[mso.716]

And you count how much it will be ..
60 billion cubic meters for 350 bucks per 1000 cubic meters .. This is if I'm not mistaken 20 billion a year ..

[D16]

In May 14, European Commissioner for Energy Gunther Oettinger
He said that he considers fair the price of Russian gas for Ukraine at the level of 350-380 dollars per thousand cubic meters, which roughly corresponds to European prices. And Ukraine, in spite of the agreement, never chose these 60 billion cubic meters and did not pay for them. They did not always pay for what they took. The take-or-pay scheme for gas workers is a completely normal phenomenon.

[mso.716]

Maybe that is why Gazprom is now so worried? That the contracts for "fraternal" Ukraine were Droconian and there is every chance that the courts will be lost

[D16]

See the post above. In the spring of 14, no one considered the price of gas for Ukraine "draconian". Now, due to political circumstances and the "fairness" of the European courts, anything can be considered unfair. At least by "writing", just to put shoes on a solvent client.

[mso.716]

And for what reason did he say so?

[D16]

Just because. Probably without any reason . But he did not forget to clarify that Russia does not have the right to demand an advance payment. Probably knew that no one was going to pay .

[Lusis]

And who is to blame? They themselves wanted to buy gas at the market price under Yushchenko, but could continue to buy at $ 40, as under Kuchma. And there was no need to steal gas and delay payment, so they themselves asked for such conditions.

[Vladimir]

Just close the valve and everything will normalize and the outskirts and geyropa will be silk

[mso.716]

Shut down of course .. Please the LNG producers from the USA

[D16]

In significant quantities, American LNG will not go to Europe until the price is equal to Southeast Asia. And if prices are equal, Europe will lose its competitive advantage. So it is not in their interests to spoil relations with Gazprom for the sake of a transit country with exorbitant Wishlist.

[evgen1221]

I don’t understand such a situation, let’s say Gazprom is a private company (almost). It uses the government’s bowels and makes a profit minus taxes to the state (a smaller part), and equipment updates. What will change if the same people and capacities work purely for the state (in terms of taxes, the state will pay taxes to itself from its own company and also the profit will go to the state and not to private individuals), since the taxes on profit to the state are always less than the profit itself. And so, 22 billion went to xs, because this money is already net profit minus everything.

[IXION]

I don’t quite understand Novak, if in his opinion the accusations are absurd, then why doesn’t the Stockholm court think so? I don’t think that they are mistaken in Stockholm

[mso.716]

Patriots have a universal answer .. "They are all Russophobes."

[D16]

No. They are banal crooks.

[D16]

The Stockholm court considers how it is beneficial for him to count. If the court loses Ukraine, then who will pay for the banquet? People are trite trying to hit the jackpot, sacrificing their own reputation, since after such decisions in a sober mind and sound memory, suppliers and manufacturers will fly around Stockholm. At least ours.

[Lusis]

Has the Stockholm court already decided something? Ukrainians have filed a lawsuit recently for new Wishlist. Novak spoke about the absurdity of precisely these new lawsuits. And with the old decision of the arbitration, not everything is so simple.

[Karaul14]

"Close the valve"? Will 60% of the budget be filled by itself? Seriously? "Our gas - our requirements"? The client is always right, especially when without this client (EU) your economy will collapse. I can remind you that 1) both streams do not replace Ukrainian transit, 2) Germany has set transit through Ukraine as a condition for the operation of SP-2 3) if gas does not flow in full, then Gazprom will face claims from European consumers and huge fines. They talk about greatness on TV and about "let's do what we want, turn off the gas", in reality Russia, sitting on the oil and gas needle, is dependent on sales and if gas does not flow, then these are Russia's problems. The EU and Ukraine have pumped a lot of gas into underground storage facilities, LNG terminals, if anything, so there will be no talk from a position of strength.

[NF68]

As a result, Ukraine will receive a donut hole.

[Ham]

now they cannot refuse these "claims" because they shouted about them so loudly and self-confidently (count 12 lards already in your pocket!) that they themselves believed that "Russia will pay"! how can you refuse now? this is good-natured!
when God wants to destroy someone - he robs his mind
and more ... GRAVE GRAVES GRIND SLOWLY - BUT TRUE