Military Review

The capitalist industry of Russia. A long jump or running in place?

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Valentin Serov. Peter the First


Once entered and still have not left


As it turns out, no one is ready for the implementation of the reindustrialization project: neither the state, nor the elite, nor business, nor even the current able-bodied population that grew up in the post-industry era. But time passes, and other countries do not stand still.

The problem of industrialization and its closest relative, reindustrialization, is not at all new to Russia. Since the country entered into close contact with Europe, the topic has not left the agenda. The father of Peter I, Tsar Alexei Mikhailovich, took care of her. It was with him that the first warship Eagle was built according to Western European standards. Dutch masters were invited, who created the ship.

The son of Alexei Mikhailovich, of course, did not want to dwell on individual episodes. He longed for more - to turn Russia into a European power, firmly stand on the Baltic, enter the Black Sea, etc. And for this it was necessary to solve three key tasks: technology, personnel, investment. With the first two, he acted very reasonably. For technology, especially in military affairs, he personally went to Western Europe. Many masters were invited to Russia. Young boyars went abroad to study.

But the investment issue was resolved exclusively in the Russian format. The ruler of all Russia did not borrow economic principles, investment mechanisms from the West. Everything had to be turned in an emergency mode, and this required a strict concentration of resources. Hence the impact on the boyars with shaving beards, and the unprecedented pressure on the Orthodox Church, and the increased burden on the peasantry with the corral of a large number of people in the swamps of the Gulf of Finland.

Ineffectively, many people died? Nonsense! The result is: the “window to Europe” has been cut through, victories have been won, St. Petersburg has been built. But the rush, the extreme cannot be eternal. After the death of Peter I, the spring straightened, the country fell into a nap. This can be judged even by the pace of construction of warships - they immediately fell sharply.

Then there was the "golden" era of Catherine the Great. The expansion of the territory of the state, access to the Black Sea, the construction of Sevastopol, Russia significantly supplanted the Ottoman Empire. But time passed, and after the great victories over Napoleon, a grave hangover from the Crimean War broke out. The technological gap between the countries of Western Europe and the Russian Empire became clear.

It was necessary to reform, industrialize, finally, change the economic foundations. The Crimean War, no doubt, spurred land reform and the liberation of the peasants from serfdom. But another half-century passed - and again a terrible shock, this time on the eastern flank, in the Russo-Japanese War. The rising Pacific "star" showed everyone who she intends to become.

The economic heyday of the country at the beginning of the 20th century ended with the First World War. But Russia was predicted a very bright future. In a short time, a huge number of factories and plants, railways, bridges, ships and ships were built. Cities grew, the country became the largest exporter of grain. But all this was crossed out.


A new wave of industrialization swept the renewed country already in the 20 — 30 years of the 20th century. But this was already a different era, other methods of creating and developing industry. The Russian peasantry ceased to be a hegemon, having fallen into an unconditionally subordinate state. But without this industrialization, the country would not have survived the bloody Great Patriotic War.

Not so bad, but not good either


The country still lives in the post-Soviet trend. The USSR has long been gone, but its former greatness constantly reminds us: instead of realizing the realities and moving forward, we are heading into the future with a constant half turn back. Yes, the collapse of the Soviet Union - it was a disaster, not only in human terms, but also economically.

As Russian President Vladimir Putin noted in one of his articles,
“In the process of market, largely spontaneous transformation, the most liquid industries related to the export of raw materials and semi-finished products survived. In fact, the country has experienced large-scale deindustrialization, loss of quality and total simplification of the production structure. Hence the extremely high dependence on imports of consumer goods, technologies and complex products; from price fluctuations for major exported goods, that is, from factors that Russia, by and large, does not control. ”


The article was written at the beginning of 2012, but can we say that since then the situation in the country has fundamentally changed? You can, of course, blame crises and sanctions, but, unfortunately, no. Economic sanctions for Crimea followed two years later, but Russia preferred to maneuver between them rather than in a tough format to move on to an overdue task, which can be called "Reindustrialization 4.0."

Of course, one cannot say that there is no industrial policy in the country at all. It is, but the results are noticeable only in individual "forced" segments. This is primarily about import substitution in the agricultural sector and the military-industrial complex. The introduction by the government of the Russian Federation of counter-sanctions in response to Western sanctions has indeed led to a revival of domestic agribusiness. Success is noticeable in poultry, pork and grain production. In the first two categories, the country is close to autonomy, that is, imports are minimal. In terms of grain exports, Russia has even become a leader in the world. The greenhouse segment came to life. The vast majority of cucumbers and tomatoes are now of domestic production.


But if you look from a wide angle, then there is not so much joy for our agro-industrial complex. Quite quickly, the growth rates in the industry began to fall and now fluctuate around 1%, that is, in the area of ​​statistical error. The agricultural sector began to develop quite actively only in a number of regions, which in general do not determine the general "temperature".

Another “forced” segment is the military-industrial complex. The defense of the country is a topical issue. The army receives new weapons, ships, submarines are being built, and the Strategic Missile Forces are being modernized. But the main trend of recent years in the defense sector is the almost forced backlog of gaps caused by the total breakdown of military cooperation with Ukraine.

From time to time we hear that the production of such an analogue of the Ukrainian engine is now established in Russia, and there the replacement production of the Ukrainian aircraft began, etc. But what's next? The military-industrial complex takes its place in the country's industry, but there is no reason to talk about some breakthrough and influence on the entire industrial policy of the country.

In general, the development of industry in the country is perceived with alarm. On the one hand, the authorities advocate the development of special economic zones (SEZs), territories of priority social and economic development (TOSED), and a number of benefits and preferences have been determined for their residents. But on the other hand, the overall investment climate has been in a “frozen" stage for years. Thus, investment in fixed assets in the Russian Federation from 2012 to 2017 did not grow, and in 2015 even fell by 10%.

Take the current situation. According to Interfax, investments in OK in the first half of the 2019 year increased by only 0,6%. At the same time, the Ministry of Economic Development estimated the dynamics in the second quarter as a whole at about zero. At the end of the year, economists forecast investment growth at 1,6%, in 2020 year - at 3,2%. The Ministry of Economic Development clearly does not like such parameters. This year, he expects investment growth of 3,1%, and in 2020, as much as 7%.

State, where are you?


But such indicators can not wait even in the more distant future. The problem is that after the 2014 crisis of the year, caused by both falling oil prices and the imposition of Western sanctions, the government threw all its efforts into restoring macroeconomic stability, budget equilibrium and lowering inflation.


All this resulted in a severe cost cuts, especially in the investment sector. The result of fiscal consolidation was a decrease in federal budget spending by about 2,5 — 3% of GDP. Investment costs and financing of long-term development projects were seriously reduced. The share of federal targeted investment programs (FAIP) in the structure of federal budget expenditures decreased from 7% in 2012 to 2,8% in 2017. The share of budget investments in the expenditures of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation fell over the same period from 16,1 to 12,3%.

Moreover, by the beginning of 2018, the consequences of the crisis were largely overcome. And it seemed that the time had come to move on to a large-scale investment offensive by the state. This would serve as a trigger for other market participants. As the head of the Ministry of Finance, Anton Siluanov, recently noted, enterprises have now accumulated about 30 trillion in their accounts. rubles. But they do not work in the economy - the business is not sure that investments will return handsomely.

Huge amounts of money remain “frozen”, as the state policy in the public sector has not changed at all. According to the deputy director of the Institute for Economic Forecasting of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Alexander Shirov, no significant changes in the budget strategy have been seen so far; in Russia, budget planning tactics deliberately exclude the budget from the operational management of the economy.

As a result, the authorities formed a huge "pillow" of financial security, which does not bear fruit. The federal budget has an impressive surplus of 3,8% of GDP (3 trillion rubles). The volume of the NWF exceeded the statutory value of 7% of GDP. And the foreign exchange reserves reached an impressive 600 billion dollars.

But it is hardly worth expecting that at least part of this wealth will pour in the golden rain on the investment field of our country. The entire economic block of the federal government is in the Procrustean bed of neoliberal principles, for which economic growth is secondary. It should arise as a result of a properly tuned market and service institutions.

But what kind of adjustment can we talk about when budget consolidation resulted in a significant increase in taxation? And this is not so much an increase in the VAT rate as a toughening of the administration of tax collection. Tax authorities were able to implement mechanisms that led to an intensive increase in tax revenues from businesses, which in the aggregate is close to stagnation rather than development.

And various initiatives like the abolition of the single tax on imputed income (UTII) add fuel to the fire. Say, he has already worked out his own, other analogues have replaced: the main, simplified patent. The Ministry of Finance demands to remove UTII, indicating significant budget losses and the successful rejection of this tax, for example, in Moscow.

However, the capital is not an example for the province. In addition, in 2018, UTII were used by 262 thousand organizations and 1,8 million individual entrepreneurs. This is a large layer that can be in a stressful situation. It is no coincidence that the business ombudsman Boris Titov urges us to extend the UTII to 2024 years.

It is clear that in such relations between the state and business, the latter will never begin to be the first to take active steps in the investment field. And therefore, the urgent project of reindustrialization of the country may remain lying on dusty shelves.


Another important factor contributing to this is the complacency of the state’s elite. She sits densely on natural rent, partially exporting resources abroad, partially investing in various speculative projects in two capitals. Professor of Moscow State University named after M.V. Lomonosov Natalia Zubarevich clearly showed what the real situation is now in the country.

So, the regions that are leaders in contributing to the country's budget are as follows: Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug (26%), Moscow (12%), Yamal-Nenets Autonomous Okrug - 10%, Saint Petersburg - 7%, Tatarstan - 6%. Now for the investment. In the first half of 2018, a little less than 15% of all investments in Russia went to the Tyumen region (that is, to the same Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug and Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug). Moscow received 12,5%, Moscow Oblast - 4,5%. In other words, almost a third of all investment resources went to the development of the main oil and gas region and the metropolitan area.

All these figures lead to disappointing conclusions: re-industrialization in the country will be constantly postponed until later. The federal government will by all means hide the airbag from the country's investment needs. The elite is not at all interested in harnessing a cart called the "industrial reanimation of the country", and private business will operate only in the immediate investment field.

The probability is too high that reindustrialization will turn into separate "fragments" like the same import substitution in the agro-industrial complex or closing separate gaps in the military-industrial complex. And time goes and goes, other countries, sorry for repeating, do not stand still.
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  1. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 14 November 2019 05: 17
    +22
    The capitalist industry of Russia. A long jump or running in place?

    Briefly - a step forward, two steps back!
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 14 November 2019 05: 25
      -7
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Briefly - a step forward, two steps back

      If so, then rolled back to the Stone Age .... Vsezh forward a little more!
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 14 November 2019 05: 47
        +38
        Quote: rocket757
        If so, then rolled back to the Stone Age .... All forward a little more!

        Still, more ... The number of billionaires and millionaires ... The number of corrupt officials ... The area of ​​the burnt taiga ... The size of the written off external debts ... About Roscosmos - there are a lot of topics on the site separately ... The number of officials per capita. ..Number of divorces ...
        The most important indicator of progress is the size of the titular nation. How far have we gone in this indicator?
        Why do I (and not only me) put this indicator in the first place? Yes, only because land without a people is a simple territory. Now no one speaks of the Inca and Mayan states ... And the great Egyptian civilization is modestly huddled around several cities.
        And all this oil and gas, which is incomprehensible to anyone only because the state simply allowed some private (it is not known how and whence the owners appeared) trade in the public domain with anyone and for currency ... And you can act like with gold. Sell ​​all oil and gas only for rubles, and export at the (ONLY !!!) state level. Perhaps then questions on debts and terms will disappear ...
        Naturally. Movement forward at the household and consumer level is visible to the naked eye. The problem of deficit, which was corroding the USSR (the main one), has disappeared. There are many advantages to travel within the country and abroad. One little quirk - in order to feel all this with the fibers of the soul and body, you need a job (choice of profession), which allows you not to be ashamed of your position in the company of fellow classmates, and children to lower their eyes and blush when asked: "Where do your parents work?"
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 14 November 2019 07: 44
          +39
          Yes, there will not be any kind of reindustrialization or any jerks (Putin’s). It is simply impossible, in that economic swamp where the country was driven by a mediocre but irremovable leadership.

          Economic problems have long been known. But they cannot be solved from this. Chronic inflation, expensive usurious loans, lack of investment, drying up the economy (withdrawing money in small caps) ... All this combined with a narrow consumer market inside. And there is nothing to trade on the foreign market, except oil and gas (military, agricultural, nuclear power plants - this is too little and not enough to increase GDP growth).

          Growth rests on low consumer demand inside and non-competitiveness outside. Domestic demand is easy to increase, it would be a desire. But here is another ambush. This implies sharing (looted with looted) with the population. This elite does not want anything and does the opposite. When they pulled the blanket over themselves, sharing was not part of the plans.

          So it turns out: outside - I can’t (compete), but inside - I don’t want (to share). Vicious circle. But to ensure their personal needs, the ruling clique, this situation does not interfere.
          1. atalef
            atalef 14 November 2019 08: 27
            +18
            Quote: Stas157
            Yes, there will not be any kind of reindustrialization and any jerks (Putin’s)

            Well, the promises were
            By 2020, Russia was to enter the top five countries leading in terms of GDP. However, according to the results of the 2018 year, Russia is in sixth place (3,1% of world GDP) after China, the USA, India, Japan and Germany.
            GDP was supposed to grow by 6,5% per year and by 2020 year to grow by 64 – 66% compared to 2012 year.
            Real disposable incomes of the population were to grow by 64 – 72% by 2020 year.
            The absolute poverty level should decrease from 13,4% in 2007 year to 6 – 7% in 2020 year. P.

            but in the end?
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 14 November 2019 09: 42
              +20
              Quote: atalef
              Well, that was the promise ... but in the end?

              And nothing has changed. The concept of development of Russia until 2020 has not been completed. Not fulfilling the old promises, they began to give new ones. National projects 2019-2024, these are old promises in a new wrapper. The truth is already for a completely different money. On the old promises were spent all (now already) 1,5 billion rubles. Will new promises be kept? The question is rhetorical.
              1. Vladimir16
                Vladimir16 14 November 2019 12: 40
                -4
                Communists promised communism in 1980.
                As a result, in 1991 they sold the country.

                Nothing new. Blah blah blah. Vote and your voice will be heard laughing

                People power! Hooray!!! wassat
                That communists, that capitalists, that bankers - one and the same group of people mastering the country's budget. wink

                Stalin - was the king! Stalin is a monarch! Stalin is an autocrat!
                Someone do not agree?
                Has anyone seen democracy under Stalin?

                Everyone on the dance walked before him and did his will.

                And the order has appeared. And the economy has appeared. And industrialization has appeared.

                And rockets, and Gagarin, and apartments with kindergartens.

                I am for the Tsar!

                When there is no punitive on top, the official turns his work into a source of personal income. And do not care about others. And under communism and under capitalism and with all other public (popular) systems of government.
                The essence of man is this.
                Stalin (tsar) is needed at the head of this bureaucratic kodla.
                1. Ross xnumx
                  Ross xnumx 15 November 2019 08: 54
                  +7
                  Quote: Vladimir16
                  Communists promised communism in 1980.
                  As a result, in 1991 they sold the country.

                  I got the impression that you were born much later than 1964, because that communist, thanks to whose activities so much dirt was poured on the image of Stalin and who promised to build communism by 1980, died on September 11 exactly forty years before the "famous" terrorist attack in USA. The country began to sell (by and large) a team recruited by the EBN, who carried out a coup d'etat, who shot parliament, and who allowed the most unscrupulous persons to this sale, about whose activities (for the most part) nothing good can be remembered (by the way, most of them are former members of the CPSU) ...
                  But, I assure you that I corrected your reputation with a plus precisely for this thought:
                  When there is no punitive on top (I would add - a sword), then the official turns his work into a source of personal income. And do not care about others. And under communism and under capitalism and with all other public (popular) systems of government.
                  The essence of man is this.

                  I'll tell you more, it's time to replace these bureaucratic clans with AI. Let the young big-headed guys create programs, let them invent devices to replace this swaggering, cynical clerk who cares about only one thing - maintaining the significance of his work, and, unfortunately, there are many more than a million of them in Russia.
                  hi
                  1. Alf
                    Alf 15 November 2019 15: 56
                    +4
                    Quote: ROSS 42
                    it's time to replace these bureaucratic clans with AI. Let the young big-headed guys create programs,

                    The question is WHOSE interests will the creators of these programs take into account?
            2. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 14 November 2019 18: 03
              +1
              Quote: atalef
              but in the end?

              As a result, there will be no jerk. Actually why should it be? Is Israel showing any jerks? The global economy is going downhill.
          2. atalef
            atalef 14 November 2019 08: 31
            -3
            Quote: Stas157
            Growth rests on low consumer demand inside and non-competitiveness outside. Domestic demand is easy to increasewould be a desire.

            how ?
            Give money to the population?

            Quote: Stas157
            Chronic inflation

            inflation is in all countries and now in the Russian Federation it is quite small.
            The problem is that the roots of low inflation are not in the success of the economy, but in the fact that the people stupidly have no money.

            Quote: Stas157
            lack of investment

            who will give them to you?
            Especially after the screams --- more sanctions.
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 14 November 2019 08: 48
              +29
              Quote: atalef
              how ?
              Give money to the population ?

              No need to give out. It’s necessary not to select at least. Study the topic - stimulating domestic demand. Direct distribution of money is not provided there. We need honest pensions, salaries, adequate loans and mortgages, sane taxes ... etc.
              Quote: atalef
              inflation is in all countries and now in Russia it is quite small.

              Normal inflation 2%. In the Russian Federation it has never been.
              You have a question. And why, with such supposedly normal inflation, such an abnormal interest for loans? And these are interconnected things.
              Quote: atalef
              who will give them to you ?

              With such huge airbags and various funds, about a trillion dollars, external investments are not particularly needed. Money is already there. In the dead capsules.
              1. atalef
                atalef 14 November 2019 08: 55
                -21
                Quote: Stas157
                No need to give out. It’s necessary not to select at least.

                is it that you would not pay taxes?
                Quote: Stas157
                Explore the topic - stimulating domestic demand

                demand without money 7 How is it?
                Quote: Stas157
                We need honest pensions, salaries, adequate loans and mortgages, sane taxes

                honest? laughing
                Quote: Stas157
                Normal inflation 2%. In the Russian Federation it has never been.
                You have a question. And why, with such supposedly normal inflation, such an abnormal interest for loans?

                learn economics.
                Because inflation (you have) is low because you are going to differentiate
                Quote: Stas157
                And these are interconnected things.

                of course
                1. Stas157
                  Stas157 14 November 2019 09: 08
                  +18
                  Quote: atalef
                  is it that you would not pay taxes?

                  Trying to troll? Type in Yandex: what is the stimulation of domestic demand. Everything is detailed there. Here with me, what this term means, do not argue.
                2. WIKI
                  WIKI 14 November 2019 11: 36
                  +5
                  Quote: atalef
                  is it that you would not pay taxes?

                  VAT increased, this is your vital necessity.
                  1. Ross xnumx
                    Ross xnumx 14 November 2019 12: 37
                    +7
                    Quote: WIKI
                    VAT increased, this is your vital necessity.

                    About VAT information is unambiguous. In Russia, VAT has been leveled due to non-receipt of taxes from producers (which are not, not production - no producers). And with a trader, such a tax can be collected by taxing buyers (stupidly send interest to the treasury without any troubles). Who will think of creating a VAT system for resellers? Therefore, in reality, goods that have reached the counter can increase in price by an order of magnitude and higher. The same thing happens in the energy sector. After all, there is not only the production of electricity itself, but also the installation and operation of electrical installations, the price of which has increased.
            2. WIKI
              WIKI 14 November 2019 10: 52
              +14
              Quote: atalef
              how ?
              Give money to the population?

              Take national projects, for example, where money will also be distributed, but only to the right people. They will then take the profit abroad, which will affect the demand in the Western market, but will not have an effect on inflation in Russia. Apparently our government needs "checkers".
            3. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 14 November 2019 18: 04
              -1
              Quote: atalef
              Give money to the population?

              Note that we were not the first to offer AML. And yes, loans are not the distribution of unearned money to the population? laughing
            4. syndicalist
              syndicalist 16 November 2019 08: 54
              0
              . Give money to the population?

              Not at all a crazy offer. And repeatedly very successfully implemented in other countries.
          3. knn54
            knn54 14 November 2019 11: 20
            +1
            Once again, I repeat, what a capitalization. This is "NEP of our time". And which was stopped by Stalin in the 20s (quite in time).
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 14 November 2019 11: 42
              -3
              Do not forget that after folding the NEP a card system was introduced. And for food and manufactured goods.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 14 November 2019 17: 40
                +5
                Card rates were real, not blockade. This avoided food speculation. The same could be observed in the 80s, the same rules were real, and the products were available on coupons. Although now the introduction of coupons is touted as hunger.
                1. AU Ivanov.
                  AU Ivanov. 14 November 2019 19: 26
                  -2
                  Speculation is the result of scarcity. No one will resell the product if it is available for sale. That is, the abolition of the NEP led to a shortage of food and consumer goods.
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 14 November 2019 20: 47
                    +7
                    Quote: AS Ivanov.
                    Speculation is the result of scarcity.

                    Exactly. But a deficit can also be created artificially, right? wink It was during the Union, and today they do it periodically. The excitement for salt and buckwheat was not so long ago, due to the spread of rumors. This leads to massive, unjustifiable demand, and price increases. Coupons are a panacea in this case.
                    But I would shoot for such a promotion of demand.
                    1. AU Ivanov.
                      AU Ivanov. 14 November 2019 22: 19
                      0
                      Moreover, I would punish for any deliberately false rumors. No wonder for such acts, in World War II, there was punishment up to the highest measure. That is, the distribution of fakes was equated with treason or desertion in the gravity of the crime.
                      1. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 15 November 2019 19: 13
                        +4
                        If Navalny's movie is fake, then why is none of the "heroes" dragging him to court?
                      2. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. 15 November 2019 21: 33
                        -3
                        Is it worth listening to a figure funded by our sworn "friends"? What is the purpose of his exposure? "Cure" Russia? This is unlikely, the fastest way is to create confusion in it and to destroy it to please the West. Even if he speaks the pure truth, this is not the person to follow.
                      3. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 16 November 2019 07: 51
                        +2
                        Andrei agrees with everything, but after these revelations, the government is obliged to react somehow. Silence is not the right attitude. Look at how the number of views in Navalny’s films has grown. Sooner or later, a critical mass of dissatisfied will be reached.
                        But Vaska listens and eats.
                      4. syndicalist
                        syndicalist 16 November 2019 08: 56
                        +2
                        ... funded by our sworn "friends"?

                        If so, then why is there not a single court case?
                      5. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. 16 November 2019 10: 11
                        -3
                        Because now it’s not 37 years old. This is not a corpus delicti, but alarming.
                      6. syndicalist
                        syndicalist 16 November 2019 10: 21
                        +2
                        Let not the 37th, albeit without triples and executions. But give at least one reliably established fact for a substantive discussion. Navalny is not my candidate, I haven’t sent and will not send him a penny, but I personally know people who do this regularly. Extrapolating them to the whole country, I am only surprised that his expenses are so modest.
          4. Victor N
            Victor N 14 November 2019 12: 41
            -10
            If now (all of a sudden!) You take and distribute to the population all state nest egg, then most of these funds will be spent on imported goods and travel abroad. The domestic economy (domestic demand) will receive a little - this has been noted more than once with rising incomes. Why own goods are not competitive is known to those who directly produce them: the broad masses of working people and other businessmen. The latter behave very sluggishly, not actively. And because the SOCIETY, its part from marginals and losers, actively strangles ALL entrepreneurs. There is no one to work ...
          5. evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
            evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru 14 November 2019 22: 10
            +2
            Opened, vicious circle, in 1917 ... Everyone has already passed. In my opinion, Klyuchevsky said: ,, History does not teach anything, it asks for unlearned lessons. ,,
            A family can be strong, serious, or maybe so-so ... Parents have fun, get drunk, they don’t care about children, they are left to their own devices ... Which of the children will grow up, what they will become? Will- whether to take care of parents? .... In the 90s it was “fashionable” to relocate such worthless families to barracks. And their well-furnished apartments for the little brothers got ... So it happens with stupid states. They are losing territory, they are losing their independence, they are losing their population ... Maybe after being beaten up and being in the sight of an assault rifle of someone else’s commandos, some people will think that they have lost time for nothing ... But it will be too late. All must be done on time
        2. atalef
          atalef 14 November 2019 08: 36
          -6
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Sell ​​all oil and gas only for rubles,

          what for ?
          and then what to do with rubles?
          Quote: ROSS 42
          and export at the (ONLY !!!) state level.

          Do you want to add another layer of parasites?
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Moving forward at the household and consumer level is visible with the naked eye.

          Seriously ?
          Quote: ROSS 42
          The question of scarcity eroding the USSR has disappeared

          that is, today's capitalism is better than yesterday's socialism?
          you as they say or wear panties or remove the cross.
          Quote: ROSS 42
          which allows you not to be ashamed of your position in the company of friends of classmates, and children to lower their eyes and blush when asked: "Where do your parents work?"

          and what professions would make you blush?
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 14 November 2019 18: 08
            -3
            Quote: atalef
            and then what to do with rubles?

            Let invest in OFZ. Why are we worse than the USA? Hey, dear Atalef, buy a bond, or maybe two. How much will I draw! laughing
          2. karabass
            karabass 14 November 2019 19: 44
            0
            low-paid, what else, is it really not clear?
        3. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 14 November 2019 10: 13
          +12
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Still, more ... The number of billionaires and millionaires ...The number of corrupt officials ...

          Addition, their regiment arrived:
          1. Manas manas
            Manas manas 14 November 2019 12: 10
            +3
            Yes, this can not be! American liberal propaganda! This is a corruption in the USA !!! In Russia, this cannot be!
        4. Boris55
          Boris55 14 November 2019 10: 17
          0
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Sell ​​all oil and gas only for rubles

          De Gaulle wanted to buy our oil for rubles. Brezhnev did not allow.

          Quote: ROSS 42
          The question of scarcity eroding the USSR has disappeared

          Consciously created under Brezhnev.

          Quote: ROSS 42
          There are many advantages in traveling around the country and abroad.

          If you work in three shifts, and then everything you earned can be taken over a hill, but is it worth it?

          Quote: ROSS 42
          when asked: "Where do your parents work?"

          Where where. Where people cannot do without this profession. For instance. What happens when garbage men in the West go on strike - they saw everything on TV. An unpleasant sight. Work for the good of society is a work worthy of respect. Parasitization on someone else's work is not worthy.

          In general, so that children do not feel shame for their parents, they need to explain what is good and what is bad.
        5. WIKI
          WIKI 14 November 2019 10: 30
          +7
          Quote: ROSS 42
          And all this oil and gas, which serves incomprehensibly to whom

          But in fairness, I must say that in 2018 the tax burden on oil production in Russia amounted to 65% of the company's revenue (in the world it is 18-35%). On the one hand it’s good. But if oil and gas revenues in the budget structure are 43%, then what kind of industrialization can we talk about.
          1. 2 Level Advisor
            2 Level Advisor 14 November 2019 20: 56
            +3
            Victor, but for the sake of justice .. why are companies that sell resources not 100% state-owned and bring 100% of the country's profit? without effective managers hoarding up? or gas and oil pipes will go worse? strange .. during the USSR, nothing even worked ...
            1. Victor N
              Victor N 15 November 2019 12: 21
              -1
              How effective was the trade in energy resources in the USSR - the topic is unpopular, no serious studies have been seen. And in passing it was not discussed. But the USSR is bankrupt, alas.
              But there are really few highly qualified foreign trade managers. And the temptations in this area are the sea.
              1. 2 Level Advisor
                2 Level Advisor 15 November 2019 13: 04
                +4
                the talent of a trader where it is especially needed - where there is competition ... well, for example .. sell a new product, yes! sell cars and other equipment, yes! sell chocolates, yes! weapons to sell, yes!
                And to sell a resource for which there are always buyers, pipes go to them, in fact there are no competitors, and the only price regulator is what is especially super-cool and unique in trading abilities?
                efficiency of sales in the days of the USSR, first of all, the volume and price of sold, these data are available, and the then "managers of the USSR" coped completely, without millions of bonuses, a share in the company, etc. Therefore, I have no doubt that Gazprom and Rosneft, for example, being 100% state-owned, it would work no worse and bring more profit to the budget.
                1. Victor N
                  Victor N 15 November 2019 13: 20
                  +1
                  The nuances in energy trade are considerable. Gazprom's monopoly is preventing other companies from selling gas. Oil is much more complicated. Many companies sell oil separately from each well without mixing. Monopolists cause a lot of complaints, even though they are state ones.
              2. WIKI
                WIKI 15 November 2019 20: 39
                0
                Quote: Victor N
                How efficient was the energy trade in the USSR

                In the USSR, the figures of the dependence of the budget on trade in oil, gas, and plus electricity, were:
                https://topwar.ru/36212-a-byla-li-zavisimost-sssr-ot-eksporta-nefti.html
        6. Victor N
          Victor N 14 November 2019 12: 28
          -5
          Selling energy for rubles and exporting other things only at the state level are farmers' fantasies that are practically unrealizable.
          1. Alf
            Alf 14 November 2019 18: 07
            +6
            Quote: Victor N
            Selling energy for rubles and exporting other things only at the state level are farmers' fantasies that are practically unrealizable.

            With this power, yes.
        7. The comment was deleted.
      2. Far B
        Far B 14 November 2019 06: 00
        +15
        So we roll back. So far we have reached the threshold of developed federalism. But we still have everything in front - both a slave system and a primitive communal system. For there is no limit to perfection.
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 14 November 2019 06: 50
          +11
          Quote: Dalny V
          there is no limit to perfection.

          "Bad news is not terrible,
          We start running on the spot,
          Even a beginner wins.
          Beauty among the running
          The first are not and lagging behind,
          Running on the spot is generally reconciling. "
      3. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 14 November 2019 07: 34
        +15
        Quote: rocket757
        If so, then rolled back to the Stone Age .... Vsezh forward a little more!

        and we are already in the Stone Age! we buy knives and forks from China! instead of machines, entertainment is bought, instead of specialists from technologists, engineers, scientists, we hire Ravshanovjamshuts. He repaired his PSP air duct, so he could not find a turner for grooving parts!
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 14 November 2019 07: 57
          +3
          Quote: aybolyt678
          He repaired his PSP air duct, so he could not find a turner for grooving parts!

          There are problems ... even when there is work, it is difficult to find a specialist of the right qualification!
          Let's all be objective .... just a listing of problems, lamentations, DO NOT SOLVE any problems!
          We evaluate the past ... as we can \ we want, only this should not prevent us from moving forward.
          You will have to TEACH a turner, a locksmith, and many others, in a situation that exists ... or go try to change the situation in principle! True turners and others from that will no longer be, right away. The same problems will have to be solved only later and it is not known what will actually be easier.
          1. Alf
            Alf 14 November 2019 18: 09
            +4
            Quote: rocket757
            HAVE TO TEACH a turner, locksmith and many others,

            Does this government need this?
            Instead of paying a normal salary to doctors and providing them with human conditions, they decided to hire .. from the eastern satrapies, and even simplified their citizenship.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 15 November 2019 07: 50
              0
              Quote: Alf
              Does this government need this?

              That this power, everyone should have understood for a long time ....
              To do what?
              Options also seem to be there, only where there are at least hints at the implementation of what needs to be done?
            2. Victor N
              Victor N 15 November 2019 12: 27
              -3
              It’s not the state’s job to train workers: let those who need workers pay for it. The budget is not rubber, pensioners generally dream of privatizing it, forgetting about all the others ......
    2. jonht
      jonht 14 November 2019 06: 30
      +5
      I agree with you. The government lacks a good kick or a slap in the face. Still live yesterday. hi
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 14 November 2019 07: 13
        +2
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Still, more ... The number of billionaires and millionaires ..

        This is an indicator of WHAT? Differences in the level of ... theft, appropriation of former public property, corruption and everything else like that ... directly affect the state of the country and society, but the indicator is not technical, but social.
        Quote: ROSS 42
        The most important indicator of progress is the size of the titular nation.

        Indicator ... but you also need to look at it carefully, it is not possible to simply separate it from everything else.
        The rest is written ... from the heart, but all is just emotions! They will not help the case and do not give an answer to the question - WHAT TO DO? right now, and not when then.
        Quote: jonht
        The government doesn’t have a good kick or

        From what point of view to look! Capitalist - so the upper ones do everything exactly like other countries in the period of "young, greyhound, greedy capitalism" .... everyone always ended up with this and entered into some acceptable (contractual) framework ... all developed capitalist countries are an example of this.
        If we want to come back AS IT WAS BEFORE !!! the social system must be changed and the principles of building a state ... it is very doubtful that there are no conditions, prerequisites, nor does anyone really try to create, accumulate them, so that it is really significant!
        Just a question .... will we moan and scold everyone except ourselves or build a new one?
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 14 November 2019 07: 40
          +8
          Quote: rocket757
          They will not help the case and do not give an answer to the question - WHAT TO DO? right now, and not when then.

          This is the main question of modern Russia. The answer lies somewhere at the level of criminal responsibility for calling for the destruction of the political system.
          Quote: rocket757
          Just a question .... will we moan and scold everyone except ourselves or build a new one?

          this is already the beginning of the answer, laughing I think it is necessary for everyone, at any level, to popularize the idea of ​​introducing responsibility for failure to fulfill election promises. In addition, actions similar to those of Stalin in 37g are necessary. No wonder this is now such a public request
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 14 November 2019 08: 10
            +2
            Quote: aybolyt678
            to popularize the idea of ​​introducing responsibility for failure to fulfill election promises. In addition, actions similar to those of Stalin in 37g are necessary.

            About the promises of candidates, politicians ... it's not even funny to discuss! Dermocracy can’t offer anything reliably providing!
            The only reliable tool WAS when there was a system of nomination and control of all kinds of responsible persons and candidates by labor collectives! RESPONSIBILITY and CONTROL .... but it was not long, because the leaders and directors always strive to escape from under someone's control and want to "steer" only BY THEMSELVES, not to report, by and large, to ANYONE !!!
            By the way, to us, at the moment, to ensure the EQUAL responsibility of ALL before the LAW !!! the one that is, there would already be progress, no longer visibility, but some semblance of equality!
            1. atalef
              atalef 14 November 2019 08: 19
              -6
              Quote: rocket757
              Dermocracy can’t offer anything reliably providing!

              indeed, what is the standard of living of democratic Europe and the same states, compared with the truly popular DPRK, Cuba or Zimbabwe
              Quote: rocket757
              The only reliable tool WAS when there was a system of nominating and controlling all sorts of different responsible and candidates from the labor collectives!

              control lumpen schwonder and ball
              Passed wink
              Quote: rocket757
              RESPONSIBILITY and CONTROL .... but it was not long,

              when it was ? Well, the fact-maker in the studio - especially about the fact that it was effective.
              Quote: rocket757
              By the way, we, at the moment, ensure the equal responsibility of ALL before the LAW !!

              Well, why then by leaps and bounds then run?
              Try to reach at least the level of democratically slop countries from the geyropa enclave, at least

              Quote: rocket757
              the one that is, there would already be progress, no longer visibility, but some semblance of equality!

              translate from the provincial into Russian, pliz. fellow
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 14 November 2019 08: 43
                +3
                There is a subject, a story. Read. Very informative.
          2. Victor N
            Victor N 14 November 2019 13: 34
            -9
            You need to start with yourself - to fulfill the promises of a worthy life for YOUR family. Work hard! And do not wait for the benefits of free.
            1. 2 Level Advisor
              2 Level Advisor 14 November 2019 21: 01
              0
              et in the sense of the taiga for 50 years to leave with your family? all honestly, no outside interference .. or are you talking about it- "The state owes you nothing"?
              1. Victor N
                Victor N 15 November 2019 12: 35
                0
                The state has many concerns more significant than my personal problems. Therefore, he never waited, he did what he could. At a difficult moment my friends saved me, otherwise I would not have survived. Value friendship and be grateful.
                1. 2 Level Advisor
                  2 Level Advisor 15 November 2019 13: 13
                  +1
                  I agree with you about self-reliance in the first place and I also have such an opinion ..
                  But .. If I don’t need anything from the state, then why does he need something from me? taxes, payments, all sorts of other duties ..
                  You see .. I think that, roughly speaking, relations should be mutual .. with the state too ... and about how you said "free" benefits, I'm not talking about responsibilities! Do I have responsibilities as a citizen? Yes! I have to fulfill them .. The state has responsibilities (social sphere for example) - yes! And it must fulfill them too ..
                  And if one side abuses the right, and only tries to get rid of obligations (for example, on pensions), this is not at all fair ... I was talking about this, and not about freebies .. Here the government is trying to snatch money "for free" ...
                  1. Victor N
                    Victor N 16 November 2019 14: 18
                    -3
                    And on what amount of social support from the state will we RIGHT to rely on? For a long time very large sums of money were allocated from the budget to the Pension Fund - due to underfunding of other social needs or groups of the population. The Pension Fund, unlike the budget, was created ONLY to pay for pensions - due to special contributions from employees. Yes, now the balance does not converge.
                    As for taxes, their composition in all states is different and changes over time. I prefer to protect my own nerves, and not spend them on claims against the state.
                    By the way, when our grandfathers created the state, they only wanted protection and for that gave back what they themselves produced. No one was counting on a piece of bread from the prince and the squad.
                    1. 2 Level Advisor
                      2 Level Advisor 17 November 2019 08: 51
                      0
                      I understand you and agree again ... but right today, I’m being treated for my own, a child with tutors is engaged for my money, I buy an apartment and a car in December and again for my own ..
                      that is, if for what I’m paying, consider it –– for protection .. as once .. then the payments were tithing for the church and tithing for the squad .. and I wouldn’t mind, with pleasure .. but now they’ve removed much more so someone bought a yacht or new shoes for 500000 ..
                      that is, we are similar in disposition .. and our nerves .. shore-but if the state says-wear nose rings, also not be nervous and silent even on the site?
                      You are a little fatalist-like, if I’m so reconciled .. well, the pragmatist is unlikely to change .. but here you can at least say that you don’t like this alignment and understand that it’s not for you alone
                      it is clear that VO does not change life, but for me this is a place where you can share, draw on experience and listen to smart people .. and for the rest - yes, you can’t help the matter here by talking here ..
                      1. Victor N
                        Victor N 17 November 2019 16: 20
                        0
                        I wish you well-being, success and success!
                        I don’t like a lot of what is happening in society and the state, I try to influence personally and tell what to do to others. It is very difficult .... But you have to try.
          3. Alf
            Alf 14 November 2019 18: 17
            +6
            Quote: aybolyt678
            This is the main question of modern Russia. The answer lies somewhere at the level of criminal responsibility for calling for the destruction of the political system.

        2. Mikhail Zarokov
          Mikhail Zarokov 14 November 2019 07: 42
          +3
          Again the wrong people?
      2. Alf
        Alf 14 November 2019 18: 15
        +5
        Quote: jonht
        The government doesn’t have a good kick

      3. syndicalist
        syndicalist 16 November 2019 09: 38
        +1
        . The government lacks a good kick or a slap in the face.

        And the president, too, click does not hurt. Of those that Balda weighed on his employer.
    3. New Year day
      New Year day 14 November 2019 07: 21
      +12
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Briefly - a step forward, two steps back!

      at first there was a step forward, the last few years - stamping on the spot. What kind of industrialization are we talking about if Medvedev claims ..

      It is the self-complacency of the elite and its indifference that are the country's main problems
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 14 November 2019 07: 42
        +2
        This statement would be partially true if our industry was state-owned. laughing
    4. Civil
      Civil 14 November 2019 07: 22
      +4
      Well, as it were, the answer lies in the plane of the man-state.
      1. Under the Soviet system, the benefit of the state meant the benefit of society, since everything was in the ownership of the people and the fate of individual citizens could be neglected.
      2. Since 1992, the property has been transferred to merchants, and the principle "everything remains for the state" as a result, the state functions for its own sake without distributing the benefits to the whole society, as before, without putting an ordinary citizen in value.
      3. From this it is necessary to determine whether the state as a system functions for itself or for people.
      Based on this article. But everything is much more complicated.
      1. depressant
        depressant 14 November 2019 10: 01
        +11
        Suggestions required.
        As soon as I offer something reasonable, they start to beat me. Nevertheless, I’ll take a chance, because I’m interested.
        Industry must be divided into two categories, as it was in the 30s of the last century and in the first half of the fifties.
        1. Local industry.
        These are all consumer goods, food. It is registered only in the place where the enterprise is located, the goods are produced. The bulk of the tax remains at the place of registration. At one time, all town governors and village councils fought for such an industry, because taxes filled local budgets. Therefore, local authorities were extremely interested in creating such enterprises and were sensitive to the needs of the population. Somewhere in the world some kind of new product that a local person wants to get? Sure, not a problem! We are organizing an enterprise! Wishing - full support of local authorities and legislative broad support and protection from the central.
        2. State industry.
        Not with the state. participation, and state.
        Accordingly, Gosplan. Converted by smart people in the main areas. State investments.
        That's how it used to be. But then it was Stalin and Beria.
        What now? Here is Miratorg. Produces meat products. Seemingly local industry. What do we have? Offshorization in Cyprus - 100% of shares. Taxes go there too. Support from the state - either 1 billion rubles or dollars. Wouldn't be surprised if dollars. Declare himself bankrupt, gentlemen will leave for their foreign savings, and our money cried. This is the local industry now. Well, it's not Stalin
        - the giant of thought is the eternal Medvedev!
        About the mining industry in general, here everyone has long sparkled and hoarse. Production and the first redistribution should belong to the state, and that’s the point! But the state we have now is this: it persuades. Persuades neighbors not to attack us. Persuades to share. Persuades to invest. He puts forward muddy 12 national projects that do not have sufficient semantic content, do not indicate specific performers, and those with whom one can strictly be asked by law for non-execution. No deadlines. Yes, just like that - persuades to invest ...
        Do not invest! Because they need it? They are not one to persuade. Eternal Putin still did not understand this?
        It turns out that we are being persuaded to forget about the possibility of industrialization in a new way. Why industrialization if everything is made by China. Recently, --- on our territory as on our own. Yes, only profit - to China. Jobs - him too.
        Therefore, it is impossible to persuade us.
        Enough of persuasion!
        For their meaning is to leave everything as it is.
        1. vitmih
          vitmih 14 November 2019 12: 26
          -5
          Somewhere in the world there was some new product that a local person wants to get?

          Can you expand the thought? Well, or did I understand correctly - a conditional Xiaomi appeared on the world somewhere on Android, so in order for a resident of the Orenburg region to get the same, you need to organize factories in the regional center for its production?
    5. Svarog
      Svarog 14 November 2019 08: 52
      +12
      As Russian President Vladimir Putin noted in one of his articles,

      The President notes a lot of things, only in 20 years, he could leave the "body" of the extra and take decisive actions .. but they are not and will no longer be, he spread corruption, nepotism of unprecedented proportions and continues to celebrate .. If he really would regret , about the collapse of the USSR and would consider it a tragedy, then it was in his power to build a socially oriented state and nothing would interfere with him, to develop industry, science, education .. But alas, those in power do not have such a goal.
    6. Chit
      Chit 14 November 2019 10: 23
      -4
      And why should today's Russian elite take even one step forward?
      Why would she be harnessed to a cart called "industrial reanimation of the country"?
      If she has all other thoughts?
      If she has a stash in the West, real estate in the West, do children study in the West?
      They will not invest in Russia. They will only take as much as they can from her.
    7. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 14 November 2019 11: 43
      +4
      “The intensification of the struggle for foreign markets, the destruction of the last remnants of free trade, prohibitive customs duties, a trade war, a war of currencies, dumping and many other similar measures demonstrating extreme nationalism in economic policy, have exacerbated relations between countries to the extreme, created the basis for military clashes and put on the order of war as a means of a new redistribution of the world and spheres of influence in favor of stronger states. " good
      1. To be or not to be
        To be or not to be 14 November 2019 11: 59
        +2
        "Chauvinism and preparation for war, as the main elements of foreign policy, curbing the working class and terror in the field of domestic policy, as a necessary means for strengthening the rear of future military fronts - this is what is now especially occupied by modern imperialist politicians.
        Not surprisingly, fascism has now become the most fashionable commodity among militant bourgeois politicians.
        STALIN I.V. REPORTING REPORT TO THE XVII CONGRESS OF THE PARTY ON THE WORK OF THE CPSU CPSU (B.)
        January 26, 1934, evening session. "
        As the HISTORY of capitalism shows - The dead end path of human development. imposed by a bunch of financial tycoons of the world The path of crises. The path of wars. The path of degradation of mankind
        And in Stalin it was said in 1934. Now is 2019 and all the same .. A new round of the spiral of capitalism. A new crisis and preparation for a new world war.
    8. Alien From
      Alien From 14 November 2019 13: 52
      -3
      And the author is in many ways right, and you! The ossification of thinking is hindered by the remaining from the time of the planned economy.
    9. Nikolai Korovin
      Nikolai Korovin 14 November 2019 20: 15
      0
      Comrade quotes Vladimir Ilyich. And he also said - "Better less is more." It also makes sense under certain conditions. Some "less" takes place. How much "better" is the question? I invite interested persons to read the link: https://sdelanounas.ru
    10. Alexey LK
      Alexey LK 15 November 2019 07: 48
      +2
      Quote: ROSS 42
      step forward, two steps back

      More likely the opposite. But this is not the point - but what exactly does the author want to offer? What specific industries to develop? What is the priority? What kind of mechanisms? At least in general terms, it would be worth writing! But start with forecasts - what will be in demand in the market in 5-10 years? What will be the level of competition in various markets? In what areas of engineering and technology are breakthroughs and new opportunities expected? Without all this, there can be no sane analysis and recommendations.
      1. syndicalist
        syndicalist 16 November 2019 09: 53
        0
        . More likely the opposite.

        Not the other way around. Rather, "Not one step forward"
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 14 November 2019 05: 20
    +5
    I .... regret / miss about OUR Soviet past, but we must work and move forward !!!
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 14 November 2019 07: 48
      +7
      Quote: rocket757
      but you have to work and move forward !!!

      that's just WHERE ??? what is development? amount of entertainment? the amount of oil sold abroad? or development of scientists in the field of alternative energy?
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 14 November 2019 08: 17
        +1
        Quote: aybolyt678
        that's just WHERE ???

        Together with the whole country, its PEOPLE.
        While we just dance, almost in place .... training before a jerk, probably!
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 14 November 2019 08: 21
          +5
          Somewhere I heard the saying that Russia in an open world market resembles a beginner boxer in the ring before the fight with Tyson. Maybe our training and not training at all, but a jerk before knockout?
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 14 November 2019 08: 48
            +3
            Quote: aybolyt678
            Somewhere I heard the saying that Russia in an open world market resembles a beginner boxer in the ring before the fight with Tyson. Maybe our training and not training at all, but a jerk before knockout?

            They plopped us, the whole country, into this great pool, the world capitalist world! Moreover, they even try to drown in every possible way, no one tried to lend a helping hand.
            Of course we swim out, but with very large losses ... the main thing is to acquire useful / necessary skills and not to forget when we get out on "calm water"!
    2. freddyk
      freddyk 14 November 2019 08: 17
      +8
      Quote: rocket757
      but you have to work and move forward !!!

      It is good to work, of course, who would argue. But so far no one has determined the vector in which direction to work, this statement looks like demagoguery. Stalin clearly set the task, the people worked. And what tasks does the state set now? I personally do not see. More work now has only to survive in this crazy capitalism.
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 14 November 2019 08: 23
        +3
        Quote: freddyk
        And what tasks does the state set now?

        for example, to develop Agriculture sponsoring a loss-making Miratorg?
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 14 November 2019 08: 24
        +2
        Quote: freddyk
        But so far no one has determined the vector in which direction to work, this statement looks like demagoguery.

        I am not a "generator" of ideas, not given, I try to understand what is happening and how .... how it turns out, so we say.
        Now I recognize SOMEONE as an expression of past ideas; I don’t like the ideas that the present leaders express! Question what to do? Nothing significant, except how to work, to ensure a worthy existence for those for whom I am responsible ... so far there is NOTHING!
        Let's just say, an active observer, in his spare time from work.
    3. comradChe
      comradChe 14 November 2019 10: 26
      +5
      The main thing, moving "forward" is not to drive the country "back ..." fellow
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 14 November 2019 11: 13
        0
        Quote: comradChe
        The main thing, moving "forward" is not to drive the country "back ..." fellow

        To do this, do not forget what was before ... history and common sense to help us.
  3. Far B
    Far B 14 November 2019 05: 29
    +12
    Somehow too many questions for the author arise as you read.
    And what - the unprecedented pressure of Peter on the Orthodox Church - is that bad?
    And the rapid economic growth in Russia before the First World War - at whose expense is the banquet? And to whom, first of all, did the profits depart from this?
    But did the peasantry really fall into a clearly dependent position in the 20-30s of the last century? Was the proletariat, hegemon, not formed out of this very peasantry (for completely natural reasons - the mechanization of the village simply no longer required so many working hands. The number of horses also began to decline sharply in a strange way)?
    And is attracting investment really good? No, if we talk about the state, then there are no questions, but we are constantly told that we need to attract investors from abroad.
    Etc. etc.
    And finally, the development of industry in recent years, the lion's share falls on the raw materials sector. The development of the agro-industrial complex is, excuse me, the development of a renewed peasantry, and we are talking about industry. In the military-industrial complex, we are still far from at least the least acceptable import substitution. I don’t even want to talk about everything else. I remember that in the same 2014 announced the beginning of import substitution in the production of tractors. Aw! Where are you, Russian tractors?
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 14 November 2019 06: 48
      +5
      Quote: Dalny V
      in the same 2014, import substitution was announced

      The main thing - announced!
      1. Far B
        Far B 14 November 2019 06: 53
        +2
        ABOUT! But with this we have a complete order. For a long time, all imported.
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 14 November 2019 07: 00
          +2
          Not all ! Very many need to be replaced!
          1. Far B
            Far B 14 November 2019 07: 05
            +2
            What for??? Announce with us every first master. Even the very first is the first. Here we will substitute from - and who will announce the wonderful future to us? Life will become boring, comrades ...
            1. Uncle lee
              Uncle lee 14 November 2019 07: 10
              +2
              I began to live happily after the end of perestroika ... But I got used to it, I do not giggle in vain! feel
              1. Far B
                Far B 14 November 2019 07: 13
                +1
                And you are a strong will Muschism hi Mine is still a self-developer and a self-developer
                1. Uncle lee
                  Uncle lee 14 November 2019 07: 19
                  +1
                  I eat lemon and do not even frown! No.
      2. Svarog
        Svarog 14 November 2019 08: 54
        +7
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        The main thing - announced!

        Statisticians are populists, specially powdering the brains of the population to fill their pockets with this sauce ..
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 14 November 2019 08: 45
      +8
      Quote: Dalny V
      The development of the agro-industrial complex is, excuse me, the development of a renewed peasantry, and we are talking about industry.

      It’s impossible even to call the peasantry, everyone crushed large agricultural holdings, which, as they say, are registered in offshore companies. The village continues to die
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 14 November 2019 08: 55
        +13
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        The village continues to die

        I would say that the village is already finishing to die, in 10-15 years there will be practically no villages ...
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 14 November 2019 10: 22
          -3
          Why so many villages? Especially in the area of ​​risky farming. In RI, the lion's share of the population lived in villages, but most of them hardly fed themselves. Now other agricultural technologies are different labor productivity.
    3. Vikxnumx
      Vikxnumx 14 November 2019 10: 55
      +3
      I remember that in the same 2014 announced the beginning of import substitution in the production of tractors. Aw! Where are you, Russian tractors?

      Where from!
      What tractor plants? What engines? What units?
      someone can name a couple of working tractor factories producing tractors for agriculture (CTZ and other manufacturers of industrial tractors do not need to be brought !!!)
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 14 November 2019 06: 44
    +6
    Cities grew, the country became the largest exporter of grain
    .... In the sense of growing up? Growing in number or new ones? Who exported the grain? Large land holdings, landowners mainly ...
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 14 November 2019 06: 48
      -2
      and small farms, in essence, can’t export anything)))
      1. Far B
        Far B 14 November 2019 06: 57
        +1
        And they don’t need to. Enough to organize the purchase. At large fairs, this was done, and not only with grain.
    2. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 14 November 2019 07: 51
      +2
      Quote: parusnik
      Who exported the grain? Large land holdings, landowners mainly ...

      +++ yes yes! And besides, they imported flour! In Russia, under the tsar, there were not enough flour mills in Russia!
    3. asp373
      asp373 14 November 2019 08: 26
      -6
      Old ones grew and new ones were built. Under the Bolsheviks, new cities began to emerge much more, of course, but exclusively by renaming the old
  5. samarin1969
    samarin1969 14 November 2019 07: 12
    +4
    "The federal government will do its best to hide the 'safety cushion' from the country's investment needs."

    It makes no sense for the state to "give" investments to business. For various reasons, entrepreneurs are not interested in large, high-tech industries. The state itself should be present in the technology sectors (electronics, mechanical engineering, aviation) and in the highly profitable (pharmacies, vodka, gas station, ...).
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 14 November 2019 07: 51
      +4
      Quote: samarin1969
      It makes no sense for the state to "give" investments to business.

      you somehow forgot about Miratorg! smile
  6. Van 16
    Van 16 14 November 2019 07: 53
    +7
    Yes, we do not have any "re" or simply industrialization. To do this, it is necessary to invest money in production, in the machine tool park, and our state is not engaged in this. They recently wrote that the Su-57 was offered for export, and that, they say, is good, the money will go to the factories. I dare to assure you that the plant absolutely does not care, the money goes to Moscow, and how much it will allocate from its generosity to the plant, and how much for the salaries of its "top managers" ...
    1. atalef
      atalef 14 November 2019 08: 23
      -8
      Quote: Van 16
      They recently wrote that Su-57 was offered for export

      And that su has already been adopted?
      [/ Quote]
      Quote: Van 16
      money will go to factories

      is it about the skin of a dead bear?
      [quote = Van 16] I dare to assure you, the plant absolutely does not care, the money goes to Moscow, and how much it comes from its generosity to the plant

      which plant?
      Private?
      or to whom?
      1. Van 16
        Van 16 14 November 2019 11: 33
        +1
        1. Read yesterday's article "The head of Rostec told ..."
        2. About the skin of an unkilled bear - this is to Chemezov.
        3. All plants and enterprises included in Rostec receive money only from Moscow.
  7. asp373
    asp373 14 November 2019 08: 20
    +3
    Some kind of contradiction turns out - on the one hand, the business has accumulated record funds in the accounts, and on the other, the state has taken all the money from it. It turns out somehow strange, but the author’s desire to get into the budget for spending money with an uncertain purpose can be traced very well. So win!
  8. Sergst
    Sergst 14 November 2019 08: 31
    +1
    Quote: jonht
    I agree with you. The government lacks a good kick or a slap in the face. Still live yesterday. hi

    Well I do not know. You can’t change the economic policy with a kick, you just need to change the team. Just kick the same Oreshkin, don’t kick - there’s definitely no sense ...
    And why these mediocrity does not change - for me it has long been a mystery.
    1. Alf
      Alf 14 November 2019 18: 36
      +3
      Quote: Sergst
      And why these mediocrity does not change - for me it has long been a mystery.

      No riddle for a long time no-raw oligarchy THESE perfectly fit.
      1. Sergst
        Sergst 14 November 2019 18: 39
        0
        Quote: Alf

        No riddle for a long time no-raw oligarchy THESE perfectly fit.

        Any business benefits from rapid development than stomping on the spot.
        1. Alf
          Alf 14 November 2019 18: 47
          +2
          Quote: Sergst
          Quote: Alf

          No riddle for a long time no-raw oligarchy THESE perfectly fit.

          Any business benefits from rapid development than stomping on the spot.

          Production business, yes, raw materials, God forbid. And in modern Russia, all business fits into minerals.
    2. Edmond dantes
      Edmond dantes 15 November 2019 13: 38
      +2
      The answer is simple: "Dementia and loyalty."
  9. Strashila
    Strashila 14 November 2019 08: 45
    +8
    "Long jump or running on the spot?", Rather puff on the spot, in order to move somewhere you need to choose a direction at the beginning. If you recall the history of the USSR, there were selected key ones, then as needed. The key ones were knocked out in the times of modern history, the entire economy collapsed.
    "Huge funds remain in a" frozen form ", since the state policy in the budgetary sphere has not changed at all." And where to invest, under the USSR, a significant part of the economy was state, money was invested in the state, now to whom and where, the last example, the plant for a lard of greenery declared bankrupt who has not worked a day.
    All the notorious Russian companies are in fact foreign, providing assistance to the same Mirotorg, we provide assistance to Cyprus. Therefore, the same Ireland is listed as a captrud drummer in terms of productivity, not actually producing anything, but receiving money from Russia.
    The private trader proved only one thing: he needs to sneeze, rob, take the money abroad to the state, and the fact that the local authorities are bending him there is already secondary, the main thing is to steal from Russia.
    And effective managers in the public sector make a lot of efforts to destroy the remnants of the economy, in order to then get out of the country.
    So all this is according to Preobrazhensky from the Heart of a Dog, "devastation is not in the clasets, but in the heads", well, or quite a classic according to Tolstoy,
    "At that time very strongly
    The color of Russia has blossomed,
    The earth was plentiful
    There is no order as there is no. "
  10. Basarev
    Basarev 14 November 2019 08: 51
    +6
    Everything is much simpler. There is no idea uniting the country, no goal where to go, no hints. Since there is no goal, then there are no methods to achieve it. The country just hangs without a rudder and sails. Therefore, compromisers, vile centrists, who act exclusively on the principle: how to change something, so as not to change anything, come into power.
    1. Old Orc
      Old Orc 14 November 2019 14: 25
      +3
      You're not right. There is a unifying idea. This is money. and all ....
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 14 November 2019 14: 47
        0
        Even such an idea can be put to good, if you finally begin to allocate the same money to commoners and distribute them fairly. The idea of ​​a corporation state is close to me - the closest example is the Trade Federation or the Banking Clan - are you familiar with them?
        1. Old Orc
          Old Orc 14 November 2019 15: 31
          +3
          I can imagine. But notice that in the Trade Federation and the Banking clan people are of the same property. and they don’t take people from other strata as they will wash out money for a larger number of people by entering the clan. this means that there will be less money. which contradicts their unifying idea.
          Regarding the first part, you are a little mistaken. Imagine that money is life expectancy, your goal is to live long (have a lot of money). And now write the words that you will say to the person who will say that you have enough to live 50 years instead of 60, and the rest must be distributed so that they last at least up to 10 years. All this is a simple imaginary image. but the psychological component is just that.
  11. Glory1974
    Glory1974 14 November 2019 08: 54
    +6
    There will be no industrialization or reindustrialization of 4.0, do not even dream about it.
    In the 30 years, Stalin conducted industrialization, because there were workers and all income from enterprises went to the state treasury.
    Now there are no workers, instead of them there are crowds of illiterate guest workers and all the income goes to the oligarchy, and the state has a maximum of 13%.
    In such conditions, no reindustrialization can be seen. At best, slow improvement on Soviet remnants.
  12. Glory1974
    Glory1974 14 November 2019 08: 56
    +1
    A new wave of industrialization swept the renewed country already in the 20 — 30 years of the 20th century. But this was already a different era, other methods of creating and developing industry. The Russian peasantry ceased to be a hegemon, having fallen into an unconditionally subordinate state.

    I did not understand the phrase. When was the peasantry an independent hegemon? Under Stalin, only fell into a subordinate position?
  13. steelmaker
    steelmaker 14 November 2019 09: 00
    +5
    The current government is happy with everything. Therefore, the industrialization of the country must begin with a change of government. But if Serdyukov is not replaceable with us, then this is possible only with a different president!
  14. Ros 56
    Ros 56 14 November 2019 09: 07
    +1
    I have already written many times, it is necessary to restore SMERSH, otherwise we will lose the country.
    1. Sgt.
      Sgt. 14 November 2019 10: 29
      +8
      Yes, Edro will restore SMERSH and he will destroy those who are unwanted by the authorities. Think that you write
    2. Ptolemy Lag
      Ptolemy Lag 14 November 2019 10: 39
      +1
      Is it SMERSH only?
  15. Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 14 November 2019 09: 16
    +8
    50% of German GDP and 65% of jobs are created by small and medium-sized companies. This is the backbone of German economy. Huge factories and companies are good, but without the conditions, legality and comfort for a small business, you can’t build economics.
  16. Million
    Million 14 November 2019 09: 21
    +9
    So far, nothing has changed at the helm of Putin and Co. They don’t know what to do and don’t want to. Power for the sake of power
    1. Old Orc
      Old Orc 14 November 2019 14: 19
      +4
      You know, based on the experience of Ukraine, I can safely say. that Putin and Co. are at the helm, that Tochnoneputin and Co., and that Co. and Co. nothing will change.
  17. DNS-a42
    DNS-a42 14 November 2019 09: 26
    +8
    Capitalist Russia does not need industry; it has perfectly integrated itself into the world capitalist hierarchy as a supplier of raw materials. No production will give such mad and momentary profits as the sale of resources. As long as capitalism dominates in the Russian Federation, nothing will change. You can change the government at least every year, presidents - this is just a change of speaking heads. There will be no other capitalism here. Stop entertaining yourself with illusions.
    1. KERMET
      KERMET 14 November 2019 10: 05
      +10

      An illustrative example of the capitalist "development" of Russian industry
      1. Vikxnumx
        Vikxnumx 14 November 2019 10: 48
        +5
        They put the Krasnoyarsk combine, the Rostov combine (PCM) - while they stopped production ...
      2. Old Orc
        Old Orc 14 November 2019 14: 14
        +3
        even after 42 he looked better.
  18. Galleon
    Galleon 14 November 2019 09: 47
    +17
    It is time, finally, for all of us to realize that very competent and intelligent people are leading the country. And the results of their leadership are fully consistent with the goals of these people: to bury this country and bury this people.
    If we take this proposal as a starting point, everything that happens does not look ridiculous and every detail finds its place.
    1. Corn
      Corn 14 November 2019 17: 52
      -1
      It is time, finally, for all of us to realize that very competent and intelligent people are leading the country.
      There can be no doubt about this and so, as it were. A foolish person will not reach the top of the hierarchy.
      And the results of their leadership are fully consistent with the goals of these people.
      All sane, adequate and purposeful people have the same goals: a thirst for power, money, and ensuring their heritage. Who is to blame that among Russians, unlike officials, humility prevailed over the thirst for power, spirituality is more important than money, and love for the master-slave owner is much stronger than love for their children ...
      bury this country and bury this people.
      An unexplained desire to harm an outsider is a sign of mental illness. You don’t think that sadists rule Russia, all the more you called them smart and competent?
      I think everything is much simpler. Serf lives as it deserves, all the more 86% still manage to have fun, and especially those who are repelled by the Soviet concentration camp in general are nostalgic.
      1. Galleon
        Galleon 14 November 2019 17: 58
        +2
        I won’t give you a minus, but it would be better for you to refrain and not answer anything to me. I don’t want to write my thoughts or knowledge about who controls Russia, but it’s not as simple as it seems to you in the separation of the nobility and ordinary people. There ... it’s better not to look into the moral character. Mind and literacy never prevented anyone from being a bad person.
        1. Corn
          Corn 14 November 2019 18: 18
          -2
          I’m not going to bet you
          I am very grateful, already relieved from my heart.
          I don’t want to write my thoughts or knowledge about who controls Russia here.
          And yet, you have offended many worthy and respected people, probably this is unnecessary.
          Mind and literacy never prevented anyone from being a bad person.
          This category of people will not even come close to politics, because the state is basically a punitive instrument with its cruel hierarchy and food chain in which "good people" have nothing to do.
  19. Vikxnumx
    Vikxnumx 14 November 2019 10: 46
    +3
    The economy of the Russian Federation it is!
    It stood, stood, and then how it BRAKED!
  20. Nestorych
    Nestorych 14 November 2019 11: 38
    -1
    The economic heyday of the country at the beginning of the XNUMXth century ended with the First World War. But Russia was predicted a very bright future. In a short time, a huge number of factories and plants, railways, bridges, ships and ships were built. Cities grew, the country became the largest exporter of grain.

    What a blatant incompetence, and such people teach someone !!)) The beginning of the twentieth century was marked by a severe economic crisis in 1900-1903, and in RI everything was still due to a prolonged depression right up to 1909! The abolition of redemption payments to the peasantry, the growth of workers' wages as a result of the events of 1905 led to the growth of light industry, and military spending to heavy, and the entire "boom" was due to the effect of a low base.)) By that time, the United States had already lost in grain.
    The introduction by the government of the Russian Federation of counter-sanctions in response to Western sanctions has indeed led to a revival of domestic agribusiness. Success is noticeable in poultry, pork and grain production. In the first two categories, the country is close to autonomy, that is, imports are minimal. In terms of grain exports, Russia has even become a leader in the world. The greenhouse segment came to life. The vast majority of cucumbers and tomatoes are now of domestic production.

    Another fairy tale, the import of palm oil was the most lively!))) Success in poultry and pork was even before the sanctions, but the Russian Federation can provide only 9% of breeding chicken and 24% of pork. the rest is import, you don’t even have to talk about all the equipment, just like in the greenhouse segment.) Our grain is almost 85% 3-4 class with the predominance of the 4th, and we supply it accordingly to the countries of the 3rd world.


    All these figures lead to disappointing conclusions: re-industrialization in the country will be constantly postponed until later. The federal government will by all means hide the airbag from the country's investment needs. The elite is not at all interested in harnessing a cart called the "industrial reanimation of the country", and private business will operate only in the immediate investment field.

    She, with today's insignificance, will never even be a question of water!)) The government has served and serves the interests of clans, there is a consensus forecast for a global crisis over the next 12 months, but to save the clans, the pillow is accumulating due to mere mortals and the economy country.)
    The probability is too high that reindustrialization will turn into separate "fragments" like the same import substitution in the agro-industrial complex or closing separate gaps in the military-industrial complex. And time goes and goes, other countries, sorry for repeating, do not stand still.

    Import substitution failed, it is known to everyone who is somehow connected with this, but no one bothered ...
    1. Procopius Nesterov
      Procopius Nesterov 15 November 2019 18: 35
      -3
      We produce poultry and pork meat several times more than the RSFSR.
      Eggs are no longer luxury; in the USSR they were expensive if you calculate how much you could buy for your salary.
      We don’t buy grain for currency like the USSR, 500 thousand tractors produced annually didn’t save us from grain purchases in the USA and Canada.
      The USSR purchased every 4 kg of sugar abroad, now Russia is fully provided.
      The Russian Empire was developing quite well. Just look at the list of factories in Moscow and the Moscow province that have more than 1600 for 1910 producing everything you need, and you so hated by the Communists as the goods people need, and not pig iron for the production of 500 thousand tractors annually.
      Your October coup destroyed industry by 90 percent, without your bloody factory experiment and industry developed naturally and everything would have been normal, and not so wretched.
  21. Maks1995
    Maks1995 14 November 2019 11: 39
    +1
    And what for them reindustrialization?
    They need profit at their enterprises.

    And re-industrialization will bring profit? So right away, no.
    Well, what for it to the oligarchs?

    No and never will.
  22. Old Orc
    Old Orc 14 November 2019 12: 46
    0
    It's strange. Everywhere weeping about the need for a new industrialization. The answer to me why I need it. for reporting on economic growth? Then it is easier to enter a new deposit and sell raw materials. There is a minimum investment of economic growth on a piece of paper. Why do you need industrialization if the ideological dogma requires profit. The first 2 article industrializations took place at the same time as in Western Europe. They were timely and answered the questions posed "Who are you", the metropolis or the colony.
    There was no question before the 3rd industrialization of 1913. there it was unambiguously clear Russia is another sick man in Europe. and this industrialization has all the features of the market development of Russia in the 90s. so you can say you have the results of 3 industrialization, optimization for export. 4 Stalin's industrialization answered the question that the world asked us "You are a labor and a peasant, what do you allow yourself, but well, you went back to shit where you belong" and the answer was short and succinct "I myself see you there and send you" if translated into censorship the words. So what is the question before you that you need industrialization?
    1. depressant
      depressant 15 November 2019 12: 56
      +2
      Orc, you asked the right question.
      Once we knew that we live in the greatest and most powerful, industrially developed country, that the border is on the castle, and were proud of it immeasurably.
      But we, I mean our generation, did not already know that the clothes that speculators brought from abroad could have been produced in the USSR with the same success if Khrushchev had not exterminated the Stalinist cooperatives. We no longer knew that socialism could be different - containing elements of capitalism, despite the fact that the country is still socialist. Living in a country of refined, which is not entirely viable in the historical realities of socialism, we together resented the elements of capitalism that had taken place in the countries of the socialist camp, not realizing that we were deprived of the habit of having private enterprises permitted by law, the possibility of owning them, create them yourself. We did not understand that by doing this we were being prepared for the transition to capitalism of the obviously oligarchic type. By prompting people in Gorbachev's perestroika to capitalist creativity, the authorities identified those capable of it and destroyed them as competitors. Someone physically, someone legally. And from the beginning of the 80s, a criminal press was added to the population, which intensified in the 90s. So that it hurts, so that we remember and do not rock the boat especially.
      At the moment, the population of Russia is completely removed and self-removed from capitalist creativity. But we still have illusions that we need the authorities for some reason. Especially among the generations who did not go through hell, the breaking of eras. So for what? Defend their oligarchic conquests. Lay the lives of our men for them. Well, and moonlighting as slaves. This is the context. And no other.
      And here we are: "Where are our factories?"
      All that is needed are factories, for those who arranged all this for us, and their descendants.
      And they do not care what is in our heads.
      I have bitter thoughts there.
  23. 257950
    257950 14 November 2019 13: 03
    +1
    [/ i] As a result, the authorities have formed a huge "cushion" of financial security, which does not bear fruit [/ i] - First, the authorities need to learn how to control the spending of money, otherwise, at the Vostochny cosmodrome, funds are spent in a mess and chaos ... .... !!!! am
  24. Alexander Ra
    Alexander Ra 14 November 2019 13: 16
    +4
    To really improve the country, it is necessary to attract competent parasitologists to the management and conduct anti-parasitic measures.
    1. Alf
      Alf 14 November 2019 18: 43
      +7
      Quote: Alexander Ra
      competent parasitologists should be involved in the management and antiparasitic measures should be taken.

  25. nikvic46
    nikvic46 14 November 2019 18: 05
    +4
    Suppose we removed all the obstacles. The country will rush forward. And we will only live with pride in our state. Will a million complaints about the direct line remain a million? It is necessary that these complaints be reduced. If you consider these complaints, they do not change from year to year. But in general, what is a person dissatisfied with? To an ordinary person, all these economic calculations are on the drum. If he has warmth in his house, it is light, and all domestic problems will be solved, then there will be no discontent.
    1. Victor N
      Victor N 15 November 2019 13: 05
      -7
      ALL everyday problems can never be solved, therefore, there will always be dissatisfied people, and as the "wishes" grow, there will be more and more of them.
  26. andrew42
    andrew42 14 November 2019 18: 52
    +3
    Definitely STAMPING ON THE SITE. "... the complacency of the state elite. It sits tightly on natural rent, partially exporting resources abroad, partially investing in various speculative projects in the two capitals." - that's all Economics. The lion's share of what is collected by the tax rip-off is being eaten up by state "managers", their business partners, who have fallen into the "confusion of budgetary co-financing" of their commercial projects and enterprises, and top managers of these same business partners. The government of "Gaidar's heirs" can only introduce and increase taxes, fines, up to that very poor citizen of the country. Well, just the spitting image of the same Sultan with the Divan from "Khoja Nasreddin". Raising "chickens" that will lay "golden eggs" is not about them. They can only collect and redistribute. A sort of servant-clerks of oligarchic Capital, only on the scale of All Russia. A classic example on a national scale: this is a shortage of tens of thousands of nurses, ambulance workers, district doctors, medical specialists at the polyclinic level (under the Union, neuropathologists, dermatologists, ophthalmologists, surgeons were in every first / every second district polyclinic). - The salary of these hard workers is mocking. For that "managers" honey. institutions with their earnings successfully "correct" the average salary in medicine, and the "godmother" of all this, Mrs. Golikova, in the news frames looks at a sleek manicure. while LADIES there is something muttering at meetings - window dressing. The ideology "drank the loot while EdRo is standing," provides the political system of oligarchic capitalism, which in turn determines the entire "Economics", its structure, mechanisms and goals / objectives. tales about the fact that "the economy is primary" - this is, as they say, "in favor of the poor" - and in a nutshell - goof noodles.
  27. Sergst
    Sergst 14 November 2019 19: 32
    0
    Quote: Alf
    Quote: Sergst
    Quote: Alf

    No riddle for a long time no-raw oligarchy THESE perfectly fit.

    Any business benefits from rapid development than stomping on the spot.

    Production business, yes, raw materials, God forbid. And in modern Russia, all business fits into minerals.

    Does the raw material business no longer want to extract and sell? I doubt it very much ... And for this you need more exploration, more cars, more pipes ...
  28. Nikolai Korovin
    Nikolai Korovin 14 November 2019 20: 12
    0
    The photo in the article shows an absolutely fantastic "fox tail". I have never seen this in my life. Usually they still try to raise them above the ground. Was it formed during the release of the melt? Horror. Haven't been to steel mills. Education gap.
  29. UFO
    UFO 14 November 2019 20: 49
    0
    "We live in a world that almost completely gave itself into the hands of money. And money has no other 'religion', there is no other basic rule, except for their increase. They have no feelings (hatred comes from their owner), there is no pain, they do not can cry, laugh, dream. They are always hungry. They are cold-blooded killers. And they are deeply oppressive by 100%. No sympathy, no chemistry, no mercy, no goodwill. Nothing but more money, more emptiness, and in the end - NOTHING Since they are the ones who bring NOTHING. Therefore, any other values, any principles opposite to them must be perverted and then destroyed without the slightest pity. About all this, we cannot harbor illusions, everything is very clear. A radical solution, the only one that has a chance of success is to give up everything that connects us with this false world: concepts, ideologies, dogmas, words, recommendations, habits, objects. If we continue to restrict ourselves to finding a new path, a new solution to change the world for the better, without changing the first it’s our turn, we will only continue to do their will. " https://www.geopolitica.ru/article/za-predelami-mnogopolyarnosti-etot-mir-obrechen-gotovy-li-my-k-tomu-chto-budet-posle
  30. tanit
    tanit 14 November 2019 20: 53
    0
    Brief conclusion from the article and comments:
    "Who does not jump, that Chubais!"
    1. tanit
      tanit 15 November 2019 20: 06
      0
      As I understand it, Who does not skip, that is not Stroporez? :)
      Very good..
  31. wooja
    wooja 15 November 2019 01: 10
    +1
    sad article, and unfortunately the author is right ... although there are opportunities. The state is not interested in new industrialization and any changes, the elites are even more against it, and the people .... The issue of industrialization is not a matter of economics, but of social policy and politics. And it is not a matter of the state as such, it is by definition a mechanism of violence and coercion, the issue is the liquidation of the current state and the replacement of elites.
  32. Brigadier
    Brigadier 15 November 2019 14: 51
    +1
    The "frog jumps" of the moon-faced and sun-like teams lead anywhere, but not forward.

    The people sink into poverty, power in the person of "you know who by letter"Peh"enthusiastically went to the extension of the retirement age and the introduction of new taxes.

    At last. We have been waiting for this for so long ...
    Everything is in the forest, behind deadwood, while the permit is valid !!! And then you never know ... cancel ...

    Now in the section "Politics" I read the article "This time they will finish off: Russia will not survive the second “perestroika”", where the author laments about the future fate of our people because of the insidious evil West and notes that only the great and moonlike one led the country out of the first perestroika, and only he is our hope to prevent the second, which could end in the collapse of the country ...

    I read and thought that radish horseradish is not sweeter. I also understand that in the West, those jackals are still filthy, sleeping and seeing how to spoil us. I understand all this very well.

    But in any case, if pending approval lord As for Putin to increase the retirement period, I still somehow more or less treated him well, now I know for sure that we can only expect from him the worsening of the situation of our people if something happens.
    Only deterioration and nothing more!
    But his curly-Chubais-like "team" will always be in chocolate, you know, at whose expense. Let "they" save Putin if something happens. Without us!

    But neither I, nor my friends and acquaintances, who used to be for him, are now going to be for him and save neither him nor his power WILL NOT!

    And there - as the chip falls, it still will not be worse.
    Although no, it could be worse but only from Putin and his "team"...
    1. Ugolek
      Ugolek 16 November 2019 06: 16
      +2
      indeed, what is the standard of living of democratic Europe and the same states, compared with the truly popular DPRK, Cuba or Zimbabwe


      And who told you that the USA is a democratic country?
      I do not defend what is happening in the Russian Federation, but to assert that the USA is democracy is too much.
  33. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 15 November 2019 21: 32
    +3
    Anti-people power, anti-people government, anti-people court, anti-people laws ....
    When all this is popular, then there will only be a leap and a breakthrough. In the meantime, running, and not in place, but with his back back. Trainers of the wrong system?
  34. grumbler
    grumbler 16 November 2019 13: 10
    0
    I will not repeat myself, I will refer to our heated, but interesting discussion in a similar topic:
    August 21, 2017, Gevorkyan Karen, "The team we can't live without. Military reform is the prologue of social"
    https://vpk-news.ru/articles/38490 .
    Here I will only say one thing, in the current conditions it is clear that Big Industry in our country can revive only "under the wing" of the state. This can be a purely state form of ownership or "state-private" (but it always suffers from a vice: "losses to the state, income to one's own").
    But we definitely need to provide the most favorable conditions for the development of a powerful sector of civil small and medium-sized businesses. And for its growth in large.
    To create a developed domestic market of goods and services, which would serve as a powerful source of income for citizens and the treasury and an effective damper of economic fluctuations, an environment capable of "absorbing" innovations and personnel from the military-industrial complex (and in our country, in the government, in the opposition, there is only talk about an "export-import economy". But within the framework of this system, our production has no chance - in the global market there will always be someone who will do better or cheaper. As an American guest sadly joked at the conference of furniture makers, “We still have a furniture industry in the USA just because the standard 40ft container fits no more than 30 Chinese sofas ").
    These efforts should be coordinated at the level of: the political and legal system (protection of property, patents; the fight against corruption and organized crime),
    investment tools, educational programs (in terms of developing citizens' initiative, competition, ability to organize themselves and behave in the market), the availability of quality medicine and rental housing. Those. we need to build something like a German social market economy, a "Scandinavian model":
    См. http://www.ng.ru/world/2019-08-27/8_7660_germany.html
    It is a social market economy. As you know, this is an economic system,
    organized on the basis of market self-regulation, in which coordination of actions
    carried out through interaction in the markets of free private producers and free
    individual consumers. The model of a social market economy proceeds from the requirement that
    neither the state nor private business has the right to have full control over the economy, but should
    serve people. Its inventor was Ludwig Erhard, Minister of Economics, and later
    Federal Chancellor of Germany. The name of the system of social market economy was given in 1946
    economist Alfred Muller-Armac. It was understood as an alternative to both capitalist and
    socialist management systems.

    For more details see A. Odintsov "Ludwig Erhard and the" German miracle ": the path to" prosperity for all. The reason for the success of Germany and the failure of Russia "(http://rusrand.ru/analytics/lyudvig-erhard-i-nemeckoe -chudo-put-k-blagosostoyaniyu-dlya-vseh-prichina-uspeha-germanii-i-neuspeha-rossii)
    1. andrew42
      andrew42 20 November 2019 14: 52
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      As they say, they lived beautifully. Only now there is one "nuance", and it is truly gigantic: if there was no competition from the Soviet economic model, if it were not for the same "red scarecrow" with which the bourgeoisie frightened the Western man in the street and themselves, then there would be no "socially oriented" capitalist there would be no trace of a market state. This is what can be seen in our time: in the economically developed countries of Europe, the social sphere is slowly but steadily shrinking. Why pay the people for loyalty if there is no "red threat"? - Logical reflections of transnational capital and the remnants of the national bourgeoisie. - We will deal with our voters ourselves, but the social network can be cut off, or given to migrants, let our hard workers take the evil off them.
      1. grumbler
        grumbler 22 November 2019 21: 11
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        In general, I agree. As soon as the USSR ordered to live long, the competition disappeared and the West also began to degrade intensely. That only once again confirms the truth that competition (ideological, political and economic) is one of the most important factors determining the viability of societies, countries, economies. But, although Europe is experiencing a "rat" (both political and economic). It is also understandable that Europe could afford to create a "social market economy" and a "welfare state" because the United States took all the responsibility for protecting Europe from communism (and the United States itself, meanwhile, had to deny its population in developed social medicine, did not invest for a long time in the emancipation of black Americans). But this does not mean that we should abandon the positive experience of Europe. In my opinion, for Russia, after all its torment in the XNUMXth century, the combination of majority democracy, moderate liberalism and a social market economy is an ideal combination that meets our national mentality and hard historical experience.
        I often hear this argument that the capitalists de "got scared of the USSR" and started social reforms. But, firstly, serious progress in the situation of workers, women and child labor,
        racial equality in the West took place long before the "Great October" - this is the merit of Christian-bourgeois humanism, liberal democracy and the workers' movement.
        And secondly, they were scared, and here the West (relying on democracy, liberalism and capitalism) demonstrated an extremely important ability adapt to external conditions, adopt positive experience... Most of Europe (excluding Germany, Spain and Italy), avoiding Russian "distortions", adopted some of the Soviet innovations and enriched their systems with a developed "social sphere" and long-term state. infrastructure planning (communications, energy, etc.). This is especially expressive against the background of the Bolshevik dogmatism of the Soviet authorities, which did not allow small / medium business to develop. Thus, they themselves (!) Deprived the USSR of a way to overcome the post-war devastation, unemployment and poverty much faster. Did not ease the satisfaction of consumer millet. They deprived the economy of huge tax revenues and a very positive factor of private initiative. They were so afraid that after economic liberalization they would have to go for a political lib-tion that they preferred to condemn the country to an eternal deficit than to allow NEP.
  35. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 17 November 2019 00: 33
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    Quote: Stas157
    And there is nothing to trade on the foreign market, except oil and gas (military, agricultural, nuclear power plants - this is too little and not enough to increase GDP growth).


    They figured out how to do without it, it is enough to raise VAT, cut back on expenses for medicine, education and science, and get people into the hands of raising their retirement age - 40% of men will not live up to retirement, thus saving a lot of money for their favorite officials. Russia lags behind the United States 33 times in spending on science, from China 22 times.
    Russia allocates five times less to science than to the law enforcement system.

    And so that the population would not care about this state of affairs, they replace the indigenous population with semi-literate nomadic migrants who think only about how, by hook or by crook, they are hooked here.

    Our engineers, doctors, IT specialists leave for the hill, among those who left 70% have higher education!
    Who will live here, and what will be their native language, their Faith.

    100 people leave annually!
    This data is not Rosstat, the corrupt girl of capitalism.
    This is data from the host countries.

  36. Amur
    Amur 17 November 2019 02: 53
    +1
    It's a shame for the state. From the screens of the zombies, they shout about victory over inflation ... They won. And at the same time the whole small and medium business.
    Not there, steer here, gentlemen.
  37. Sunstorm
    Sunstorm 17 November 2019 18: 41
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    1) "But if you look from a wide angle, there is not so much joy for our agro-industrial complex. The growth rates in the industry began to fall rather quickly and now fluctuate around 1%, that is, in the area of ​​statistical error. The agrarian sector began to develop quite actively only in a number of regions that do not generally determine the overall "temperature." Let me clarify, do you think that the agro-industrial complex should develop at an accelerated pace everywhere in all regions and subjects ...?
    2) “In general, the development of industry in the country is perceived with concern. On the other hand, the overall investment climate has been in a "frozen" stage for a number of years. Thus, investments in fixed assets in the Russian Federation practically did not grow from 2012 to 2017, and in 2015 they even fell by 10%. " - I’ve read an article about M11 recently, which the state + private investor are building ... and a private investor, borrowed money from the state and gave this money for construction ... why industry, if you can transfer money from one pocket to another ... shift ...
    3) "So, the regions - the leaders in terms of contribution to the national budget, are located as follows: Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug (26%), Moscow (12%), Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug - 10%, St. Petersburg - 7%, Tatarstan - 6%. Now for investments. In the first half of 2018, a little less than 15% of all investments in Russia went to the Tyumen region (that is, to the same Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug and Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug). Moscow received 12,5%, the Moscow region - 4,5%. In other words, almost a third of all investment resources went to the development of the main oil and gas region and the metropolitan agglomeration. " For the sake of curiosity, do you accidentally have statistics of a similar kind, say for France ... or Canada? In developed countries. Something tells me that the picture is similar.
  38. Nitarius
    Nitarius 18 November 2019 06: 32
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    I think that you should not panic! while a storm is expected with regards to a new crisis and a collapse of the dollar! nobody will take sharp steps!
  39. Slava333
    Slava333 21 November 2019 00: 57
    +1
    It's simple, you need to nationalize the Central Bank, create separate money for industry and pump it with this and ordinary money, plus add money to the population, something like this did a German nationalist - as a result, German industrial production almost doubled in a few years (33-37).
  40. iouris
    iouris 22 November 2019 00: 02
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    The adjective "capitalist" does not apply to the noun "industry." Capitalist is the way of appropriating the results of labor. And the industry is modern or backward, i.e. competitive or non-competitive.