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I was once called a Russian name here. "Language Protection" in Azerbaijan

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I was once called a Russian name here. "Language Protection" in Azerbaijan

Sayaly Sadigova, apparently, does not know that abroad all the Soviet, former or not, are still Russian


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In mid-October, the deputy chairman of the Terminology Commission under the Azerbaijani cabinet of ministers Sayaly Sadigova told local media that residents of a country of Azerbaijani nationality "are forbidden to call their children Petram, Ivanov, Pavel, Tatyana. We cannot bring Russian names to Azerbaijan. We need to protect our language from external impact. "

Further, it is explained in almost European style: "Representatives of any other nationalities in the country can call their children as they like, but not Azerbaijanis." And this is not said by some fake nationalist, but by a lady who occupies a completely responsible and, in a sense, a key state post.

A terminological (a term they came up with) a commission has existed in Azerbaijan since 2012 of the year. In its composition, the unit headed by S. Sadigova deals almost exclusively with first and last names. Periodically, with the approval of the commission, it publishes lists of names that are no longer available when a child is named. What is called, in the calendar is not found.

At first, the official prevented the spread of mainly the names of the Stalin period, as well as the Iranian and Lezgin ones: Tractor, Combine, Ensemble, Ulyana, Stalin, Electra, Sarkhosh, Shushebend, Dzhinayatkar, etc. However, with 2015, it seems that the time has come to fight for something else - bans began to apply to other "non-Azerbaijani" names.

At the same time, names of Arab and especially Turkish origin, which have been leading in popularity in the country since the mid-90s, are by no means prohibited. It doesn’t occur to anyone to worry about a certain “national identity”. Moreover, the “western” names in Azerbaijan also remain outside of any embargoes.

“Yes, we have European names that are not banned, despite the fact that they do not sound Azerbaijani,” Ms. Sadigova said.


The political background of such a course is so obvious that it can no longer be ignored. However, Mikhail Zabelin, chairman of the Russian community in Azerbaijan, in this situation is not in a hurry to call a spade a spade. So, in a recent blitz interview with a number of news agencies in Azerbaijan, he quite diplomatically and pragmatically noted that "some officials, in an effort to show themselves to be more patriotic than others, sometimes go too far."

"Named" query


But personal issues "must be resolved not by prohibitions, but by informing and explaining. So that people do not get into trouble by calling the child a name that will create him complexes and unnecessary problems in life."

In fact, Mr. Zabelin warns that it is better for Azerbaijanis not to risk not complying with the anti-Russian regulations of the commission. And prefers not to notice their frankly Russophobic character.

Something similar or even similar is happening, as is known, not only in Azerbaijan. On what, on November 6, the head of our state Vladimir Putin drew attention, speaking at a meeting of the Presidential Council on the Russian language:
“... today we are faced with attempts to artificially, roughly, sometimes unceremoniously reduce the space of the Russian language in the world, oust it to the periphery. Not only cave Russophobes declare war on the Russian language: aggressive nationalists, various kinds of marginals, are actively working in the same perspective. Which in some countries is becoming a completely official state policy. ”


This, according to the Russian president, is “a direct violation of human rights, including rights to culture and historical memory. "Vladimir Putin did not directly call Azerbaijan, but it’s obvious that this country is among the others.

Even in the ranks of the Russian public, there are no questions to Baku about such a sophisticated version of Russophobia. Although it is undoubted that his “impunity” is a frank signal for other CIS countries, where, fortunately, they have not yet thought of such measures. However, maybe it was not by chance that Azerbaijan was “assigned” to designate such a policy in the neighboring countries of Russia in the CIS and the former USSR?

Apparently, the Russian side, for obvious political reasons, is afraid of "annoying" Azerbaijan with an officially concrete criticism of the prohibitions on Russian names. Why, even Azerbaijani oil is partially exported through a pipeline through the North Caucasus to the ports of Novorossiysk and Tuapse, and these are significant transit revenues: a maximum of 70 million dollars per year.

Moreover, the pumping volumes here, according to Transneft (1 of September this year), will increase from 3,3 million tons in 2018 to 5,3 million tons in 2019, which, naturally, will increase those revenues. And this transit, of course, is also important politically for the Russian Federation. Why are these numbers here? And besides, the Russian name seems to be getting too expensive.

The economic factors of Russian restraint, of course, are taken into account by the Azerbaijani authorities. Therefore, they are not too shy in the original Russophobic manifestations? ..

By the way, what is interesting: up to the 2009 of the year, even on the labels of blackberry juice, which was produced in Azerbaijan, it was clearly noted in Russian: "The manufacturing technology is Russian." But just then, from the beginning of the 2010's, the campaign to rename streets and other objects with Russian names resumed in Azerbaijan.

So, in October 2018, the President of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev, at the end of this campaign, signed a decree “On the application of the Law of June 12 2018 on renaming certain territorial units of Agsuinsky, Astara, Goranboy, Geygelsky, Khachmaz, Khizinsky, Gazakh, Gubinsky "Of the Hussars, Massalinsky, Oguz, Saatli, Samukh, Shamkir and Yevlakh regions."

According to these documents, Azizbekov villages (named after 1925 in honor of one of the legendary 26 commissars - the leaders of the Baku commune of 1918) should be renamed Kekhrizli; Alekseyevka - to Chaykenary; Shirvanovka - to Shirvanly; Kalinovka in Vilash; Gamyshovka - in Gamyshoba; Mikhailovka - in Banovshali; Red Farm - in Shikhly; Pure Key - in Safbulag; Commune - in Bala Chayly; Novonikolayevka - in Chaydyuzyu, etc. What has been implemented to date.

Does anyone have a short memory?


In connection with such trends, one cannot help but recall that all these decisions were preparing for "publicity", it seems, for more than a decade. And most likely, it was Russophobia, which was latent in Azerbaijan in the Soviet - even in the Stalinist period - that was the main reason for the execution of Mir-Jafar Bagirov, the leader of Azerbaijan in 1956-1934, in the 1953 year.


Mir-Jafar Bagirov

Calling him "a handy enemy of the people of Beria," M.-D. Bagirov was simply removed for active resistance to Russophobia, which was then only ripening. The views of this true internationalist can be judged even by a fragment from his speech at the 19th CPSU Congress on October 12 of October 1952:
"Last year, Voprosy istorii magazine, being the central press organ of the Institute of History of the USSR Academy of Sciences, started a pointless discussion about the so-called" Least Evil "in joining non-Russian peoples to Russia. This discussion did not help our cadres on the ground in the national republics the fight against the manifestations of bourgeois nationalism, if not the opposite.
This is instead of raising the question of the beneficialness of the accession of non-Russian peoples to Russia on the basis of numerous historical data, archival materials and documents. For many peoples in those specific historical conditions, when they were in danger of complete enslavement and extermination by the backward Turkey and Iran, behind which the Anglo-French colonialists stood, accession to Russia was the only way out and had an extremely favorable significance in their future fate.
It is not visible that the journal Voprosy istorii, guided by the remarks of Comrade Stalin on the role of the great Russian people in the brotherly family of the Soviet peoples, would comprehensively develop a question that is vital for further strengthening the friendship of the peoples of our country - about the invaluable assistance provided and rendered to all peoples of our country, our elder brother is the Russian people! "




That discussion in the "Questions of History" was stopped already in November 1952, and the last chord M.-D. Bagirova on the same issues was his extensive article with similar accents in the journal "Communist" (Moscow) in February 1953: "The elder brother in the family of Soviet peoples." The magazine issue was signed three weeks before the "official" death of Stalin ...
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  1. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 18 November 2019 05: 29 New
    +20
    That is why it was necessary to pull out these republics from the Middle Ages when it was possible to raise the Far East to the level of the European part for such investments, yes ....
    1. APES
      APES 18 November 2019 05: 42 New
      +18
      That's why

      Why are they allowed to feed in Russia? Biryulev is not seen much ... There, it has already reached the point that near Moscow, a guy from the special forces who returned from Syria is being killed. And how many such cases throughout the country?
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 18 November 2019 14: 11 New
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        Quote: Pessimist22
        That is why it was necessary to pull out these republics from the Middle Ages when it was possible to raise the Far East to the level of the European part for such investments, yes ....

        Alas, the fact is that together with Vel. Oct social the revolution in Russia, the Bolsheviks of Trotskyist-Leninist persuasion also carried out a geopolitical petty-bourgeois nationalist revolution in the country, removing ethnic Russians from ruling the country and dividing Soviet Russia administratively-territorially on the basis of ethnicity the so-called "Titular" nationality.
        At the same time, Russia from the state of the historically primordial RUSSIAN people, who took under his protection other nations who seek protection and support from him, turned into a state of NATIONAL MINORITIES.
        T.O. Russophobia was laid down by the Bolsheviks of Trotskyite-Leninist persuasion while initially. Namely.

        As a result, the development of Soviet Russia - the world's first socialist. State was twofold - CONFLICT - character.
        On the one hand, the Russian people, who believed in communism. the idea of ​​the Bolshevik-Leninists, and. being the bearer of the HOLD, and not the shtetl-marginal national mentality, on all fronts is public. Construction really built up socialism throughout the country as its entire multinational. Homeland. In principle, he had nothing left to do.
        But at the same time, on the other hand, in the former royal nat. outskirts, where feudal relations and own nat prevailed. the proletariat was absent (there were no carriers of the proletarian mentality there), power from the Bolshevik-Leninists and under their control received the petty national bourgeoisie and former local feudal lords.
        National industry was built by the hands of Russian and Russian-speaking peoples.
        In this case, everything that was created truly national for the years of the Council. power in the once backward tsarist nat. suburbs - it is only the local national party and Soviet bureaucracy, as well as the national creative intelligentsia that serves it (social scientists, writers, artists, etc.).
        This nat. the party and Soviet bureaucracy and the intelligentsia objectively retained the national bourgeois-feudal mentality not only in relation to their own working people, but also in respect of those who, in their opinion, came to “hunch the Russians against them” up to the time of the so-called Gorbachev "new thinking".

        TOTAL national problems in the USSR were not only from the very beginning of Soviet power, but also had a national-bourgeois class character in relation to the Russian people. BUT The 1991 counter-bourgeois coup in the USSR as a whole only raised national bourgeois deformations from the bottom to the surface during the construction of socialism in Russiathat the Soviet leadership tried not to publicize.
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 18 November 2019 14: 28 New
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          Trotskyist for sure, not not Leninist.
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 18 November 2019 16: 10 New
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            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            Trotskyist for sure, but not Leninist.

            And Lenin's! Leninsky including, and maybe even, first of all! Namely.

            Lenin in an article or letter “On the issue of nationalities or on“ autonomy ””, written in connection with the formation of the USSR and devoted to the problem of relations between the peoples of the Soviet country, where, in particular, his understanding of the principles of proletarian internationalism in the removal of Russians from work in organs is explained Soviet power.

            “... protect Russian foreigners from the invasion of a true Russian man, a Great Russian chauvinist, in fact, a scoundrel and a rapist, which is a typical Russian bureaucrat. No doubt that an insignificant percentage of Soviet and Soviet workers will drown in this sea of ​​chauvinistic Great Russian trash, like a fly in milk ... and the second question, have we taken with sufficient care measures to really protect the aliens from the true Russian Sordimord?
            ... This raises an important fundamental question: how to understand internationalism? I already wrote in my works on the national question that the abstract statement of the question of nationalism in general is worthless. It is necessary to distinguish between the nationalism of the oppressed nation and the nationalism of the oppressed nation, the nationalism of a large nation and the nationalism of a small nation. In relation to the second nationalism, almost always in historical practice, we, the nationals of a large nation, find ourselves guilty of an endless amount of violence ...
            therefore internationalism on the part of the oppressive or the so-called “great” nation (although great only by its violence, great only as great as the hold of the Lord) should consist not only respecting the formal equality of nations, but also in such an inequality that would compensate the oppressing nation for the nation big, the inequality that actually develops in life ...
            That is why in this case it is better to salt in the direction of pliability and leniency towards national minorities than to under salt.
            (To the question of nationalities or "autonomy" // PSS. T.45. S. 356-362).
            1. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 18 November 2019 16: 20 New
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              Quote: Tatiana
              a scoundrel and a rapist, which is a typical Russian bureaucrat
              Not that I would be some stubborn internationalist, but here an analogue of the awesome current Russian officials is clearly indicated. And despite the fact that they are now mostly Russian, I do not observe the dawn of the Russian people. Lenin, of course, did not write such a thing, only the results of his activities and the activities of the current authorities of the Russian Federation in relation to the Russian people are not in favor of the present.
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 18 November 2019 16: 31 New
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                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                Not that I would be some stubborn internationalist, but here an analogue of the awesome current Russian officials is clearly indicated. And despite the fact that they are now mostly Russian, I do not observe the dawn of the Russian people.
                And who do you say you consider to be ethnic Russian among the “awesome current officials of the Russian Federation”? Box 5 "nationality", introduced in the passports under Stalin, because it was removed, in my opinion, during the Gorbachev "perestroika" in the USSR from a civil passport. And these full names can be changed at will.
                1. Vladimir_2U
                  Vladimir_2U 18 November 2019 16: 32 New
                  +1
                  In the current ranking, who comes first? )
                  Do not think that this is a provocation, you can not answer.
                2. Vladimir_2U
                  Vladimir_2U 18 November 2019 16: 37 New
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                  Well, we are all broadcasting and broadcasting about Russophobic Leninist politics, including you. Since Leninist politics has now been abandoned, it means that there must be an unprecedented dawn of the Russian people and culture, and, therefore, bureaucracy for the most part should be Russian. I proceed from this logic.
                  1. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 18 November 2019 16: 49 New
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                    Quote: Vladimir_2U
                    Since Leninist politics has now been abandoned, it means that there must be an unprecedented dawn of the Russian people and culture, and, therefore, bureaucracy for the most part should be Russian. I proceed from this logic.
                    And who told you. that they rejected petty-bourgeois Leninist politics in the late USSR? He abandoned the Zionist wing in the Stalin party, which in 1953 year - under extremely suspicious circumstances - died.
                    Khrushchev came to replace Stalin, who unfolded everything in the country.
                    1. Vladimir_2U
                      Vladimir_2U 18 November 2019 16: 52 New
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                      Well, explain, now what policy is Lenin, Stalin or Khrushchev? Okay, not so tough, which one do you think is closer?
                      1. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 18 November 2019 17: 24 New
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                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Well, explain, now what policy is Lenin, Stalin or Khrushchev? Okay, not so tough, which one do you think is closer?

                        Now the system is completely different - called capitalism. And from the Stalinist policies of the Soviet period in the country almost now there is nothing left.
                        In social terms, for the workers of the Russian Federation, the government is moving on the recommendations of the IMF - and for the most part we will gradually end up at the very bottom, as envisaged for the Russian Federation by the US Harvard project to further dismember Russia - the Russian Federation - on a national basis. The United States Hunston project for the collapse of the USSR has already been implemented.
                        The country implements Milton Friedman's pro-American colonial ideology about the alleged existence in the world of the so-called a "free" and "clean" market of capital, goods and labor with its policy of bourgeois monetarism (that is, the pursuit of profits), which has nothing to do with the socialist system.
                      2. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U 18 November 2019 17: 33 New
                        +3
                        Well, and why remember not the place of Lenin? Lenin did not behave pro-American politics sideways, Stalin considered himself a student of Lenin and both were internationalists. And such hell about which they wrote in the article would be crushed.
                      3. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 18 November 2019 17: 45 New
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                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Well, and why remember not the place of Lenin?

                        And who solved the national question in Soviet Russia? Who led the Soviet government in the country? Lenin! And you say that Lenin has nothing to do with it. We are reaping the Leninist legacy of Russophobia in Soviet Russia.

                        Under the pen of Lenin, the grandiose work of the ancestors of the largest people of Russia to create Russian statehood disappeared. One of the dire consequences of the destructive processes in Russian public thought was the complete loss of knowledge about the genesis of Russian multi-ethnicity associated with the resettlement in Eastern Europe of the representatives of the haplogroup N1c1 among ancient Rus and Aryans who had mastered the East European lands millennia earlier.
                        Read in full: https://www.km.ru/v-rossii/2016/12/10/istoriya-narodov-rossii/790316-otkroveniya-lenina-o-russkikh-i-russkoi-istorii

                        In addition, on whose money the February and October revolution in RI were made?
                        With the money of Jewish Zionist bankers from the same USA.
                      4. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U 18 November 2019 17: 58 New
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                        Quote: Tatiana
                        Under the pen of Lenin, the grandiose work of the ancestors of the largest people of Russia to create Russian statehood disappeared
                        The grandiose work of the ancestors disappeared "under the direction" of Nicky the Second, nat. the outskirts began to fall off almost immediately after his abdication, Lenin fought for the preservation of Russia (for which, it’s already debatable) and at least in some way used all available means, including the nationalism of the outlying peoples, they saved Russia and Stalin again began to collect that Nicky fell in love with. (Russia in the form of the RSFSR was saved? Was. Almost all the lands of RI were returned to the USSR? There were.).
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        In addition, on whose money the February and October revolution in RI were made?
                        With the money of Jewish bankers from the same USA.

                        You still forgot about the “car with ice cream”. In fact, it is ingenious to create a workers' state with the money of the enemies of the working people, and so it still hiccups with financial ghouls!
                      5. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 18 November 2019 18: 10 New
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                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        In fact, it’s genius, with the money of the enemies of the workers, to create a state of workers,

                        Read the story carefully! In Russia, the world Zionists were going to create a Jewish national state, which the Jews did not yet have. This was one of the motivations for Jewish American bankers to support the revolution in the Republic of Ingushetia.
                      6. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U 18 November 2019 18: 30 New
                        +4
                        This is a call! What kind of story is this written in ?! No, okay, plans for the Crimea, which have remained plans, But what would ALL Russia be ?! How do you imagine this, the Autonomous Okrug of Ryazan as part of the Birobidzhan Empire or something? Just yelling.
                      7. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 18 November 2019 20: 41 New
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                        Read about Trotsky’s hidden biography!

                        Read about the Jewish party "The Bund", which actively participated in the preparation of the "Gus" revolution! She represented the interests of the Jewish bourgeoisie and the Jewish national intelligentsia in the country and, under the guise of the Jewish proletarian party, sought to seize power in the Republic of Ingushetia and Soviet Russia by the Zionists. At least for Jewish national federalization almost throughout Russia.
                        The Bundists collaborated with the Zionists. One of the largest Zionist leaders, S. M. Dubnov, in those years put forward the slogan: “Jews of all classes and parties, unite!”

                        During the VI Congress of the RSDLP (b) (July 26 - August 3 1917), the Bundists allied with the Mensheviks, Socialist-Revolutionaries, Anarchists, Zionists and other enemies of the brewing socialist revolution.
                        The closest alliance of the leaders of the Bundists with the Mensheviks, Socialist-Revolutionaries and other petty-bourgeois parties was also significant.

                        For example. Among the Zionist revolutionaries, the most active Bund leader M.I. Lieber (Goldman), the no less active member of the Central Committee of the Socialist Revolutionary Party A.R. Gotz, and one of the most militant Mensheviks F.I. Dan (Gurvich) are known.

                        It is less known that the entire leading leadership of the Menshevik party is P. B. Axelrod, R. A. Abramovich (Rhine), Yu. O. Martov (Zederbaum), including the aforementioned F. I. Dan, as well as leading figures of the Bund - A I. Kremer (Wolf), V. D. Medem (Greenberg), A. Ya. Mutnik (Abramov), V. Kossovsky (M. Ya. Levinson), R. A. Abramovich (he was a member of two Central Committees - the Bund and the Menshevik), A. I. Weinstein (Rakhmilevich), and the Social Revolutionary leaders - V. M. Chernov, A. R. Gotz, D. D. Donskoy, M. Ya. Handelman also formed a closer coalition at the top than that the coalition at the bottom of these parties, which I existed too.

                        Namely, these people - mainly immigrants from the Jewish bourgeois intelligentsia - formed the leading core of these parties, which entered the path of cooperation with "bourgeois democracy" and changed the cause of the revolution.
                      8. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U 19 November 2019 04: 15 New
                        +2
                        You no longer understand what you are quoting:
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        Bundists allied with the Mensheviks, Socialist-Revolutionaries, Anarchists, Zionists

                        Quote: Tatiana
                        It is less known that the entire leading leadership of the Menshevik Party

                        Lenin was such a leader of the Bolsheviks!
                      9. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 19 November 2019 10: 36 New
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                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Lenin was such a leader of the Bolsheviks!

                        And there were so many defectors from various kinds of Social-Democratic parties to the Bolsheviks! The usual picture for defectors-careerists from different parties to the ruling party. This phenomenon has always been, is and will be.

                        And the Bolsheviks themselves, too, were originally the same Social Democrats, with the only difference being that they radically disengaged from the bulk of the Social Democrats in the question of the beginning of the revolution itself, or, as it was originally called, a coup d'etat in the country.
                3. Gepard
                  Gepard 19 November 2019 12: 43 New
                  0
                  I wonder what you accept?
          2. Tatyana
            Tatyana 18 November 2019 18: 01 New
            +1
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            Stalin considered himself a student of Lenin and both were internationalists.

            1. However, Stalin abandoned the Leninist world revolution and decided to build socialism in a single country.

            2. Moreover, Stalin ceased to finance the proletarian International, Zionist in composition and content.

            3. Lenin in his work 1922 of the year "On the question of nationalities or on" autonomy "" extremely sharply criticized the "great-power" plan of "autonomy" promoted by Stalin (the inclusion of the former national outskirts of the Russian Empire in the RSFSR as autonomous republics instead of the USSR project):
            ... the whole idea of ​​"autonomy" was fundamentally wrong and untimely. They say that the unity of the apparatus was required. But where did these assurances come from? Is it not from the very Russian apparatus, which, as I have already indicated in one of the previous issues of my diary, was borrowed by us from tsarism and only a little smeared with Soviet myrrh ... in all honesty ... [the apparatus] is actually completely alien to us and It is a bourgeois and royal mishmash. ... the “freedom to leave the union”, which we justify ourselves, will turn out to be an empty piece of paper, unable to protect Russian foreigners from the invasion of that truly Russian man, a Great Russian chauvinist, in essence, a scoundrel and rapist, which is a typical Russian bureaucrat. There is no doubt that an insignificant percentage of Soviet and Soviet workers will drown in this sea of ​​chauvinistic Great Russian trash, like a fly in milk ... have we taken with sufficient care measures to really protect the aliens from the true Russian face? I think that we have not taken these measures ... "V.I. Lenin

            Is there a difference between Lenin and Stalin? Yes, yes what!
          3. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 18 November 2019 18: 22 New
            +2
            Although you repeat myself, I’ll answer, Lenin died in 24, Stalin in 53, Stalin had almost 20 years to reformat the USSR, this was not done. And yes, in the quote you quoted, Lenin does not water the Russian people, but the "typical Russian bureaucrat" and which is much more important
            Quote: Tatiana
            whether the very Russian apparatus, which, ....., was borrowed by us from tsarism and is only slightly smeared by the Soviet myrrh
            Lenin did not fight against the Russian people, and not for a conditional foreigner; Lenin did not fight against the dominance of the apparatus! They saw the national communist parties as checks and balances! And in conclusion, the Union was killed not from the outskirts but from Moscow! He killed the same device!
          4. Tatyana
            Tatyana 18 November 2019 19: 09 New
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            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            They saw the national communist parties as checks and balances!
            And in conclusion, The union was killed not from the outskirts, but from Moscow! He killed the same device!

            This is information for you to sober up. Look which national SSR left the Soviet state first and which last.

          5. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 19 November 2019 04: 12 New
            +1
            Even on your list you can see that before the failure of the GKChP 4 republics left the USSR, but the GKChP is the end of a 5-year hump building promoted from the center, and before that there was a "stagnant" period that was tolerant of its hardware scum. The Union ruined the central apparatus, against which Lenin fought.
          6. Tatyana
            Tatyana 19 November 2019 10: 52 New
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            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            The Union ruined the central apparatus, against which Lenin fought.

            You have so many internal contradictions in your arguments that you don’t know what thread your eclecticism (everything is piled logically in one pile) to unwind!
            It was Lenin who CREATED the central apparatus, and did not fight it! For without a central apparatus in the country no state can exist, like a body without a head!
            The question is which apparatus Lenin and Trotsky created ?! Created a pro-Western international-Zionist apparatus with the expectation of a world revolution!
            Lenin's words are one thing, but deeds are another!
          7. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 19 November 2019 11: 02 New
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            Quote: Tatiana
            international Zionist

            Damn, or the international or Zionist, you would have written the Nazi International. Your non-contradictory and not eclectic logic allows this to happen, not just mine.
          8. Tatyana
            Tatyana 19 November 2019 11: 21 New
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            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            Damn, or the international or Zionist, you would have written the Nazi International.

            The trouble is that in m / l theory, national issues, as such, are initially abstrusively omitted in the STRATEGIC plan and are not considered: the world proletarian revolution is all!
            And what nationality will lead this world proletarian revolution, the people of what nationality in this process will become the national leader - this is persistently theorists of m / l have been hush up and have been silently communicated by the Communists until now. And this is a PRINCIPAL question, since each nation of any nationality has its own national psychology and no one has canceled it in history and cannot cancel it!
  2. at84432384
    at84432384 19 November 2019 20: 31 New
    +1
    On the national question, Stalin was an ardent opponent of Lenin and was categorically against the division of Soviet Russia into national republics. Leninist opinion prevailed for one reason: then it seemed that revolutions in Hungary, Germany and further on the list were about to triumph and everyone would begin to unite into one socialist state. To enter Germany into the USSR is understandable, but somehow it is not logical to join Russia. Lenin himself, after the adoption by the Bolsheviks of his concept, wrote that "perhaps our descendants will curse us for our decision." He looked into the water ... But they wanted the best.
  3. Tatyana
    Tatyana 19 November 2019 22: 24 New
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    Quote: at84432384
    Leninist opinion prevailed for one reason: then it seemed that revolutions in Hungary, Germany and further on the list were about to triumph and everyone would begin to unite into one socialist state. To enter Germany into the USSR is understandable, but somehow it is not logical to join Russia. Lenin himself, after the adoption by the Bolsheviks of his concept, wrote that "perhaps our descendants will curse us for our decision." He looked into the water ... But they wanted the best.

    This is a CONSIDERATION - internally logically contradictory - JUSTIFICATION on the part of Lenin, since he violated the temporal principle of causation. Namely.

    1. In Germany. The democratic revolution in Germany of the 1918-1919 years was suppressed in the summer of the 1919 year.
    2. In Hungary. On 21 of March 1919, the Social Democratic Party of Hungary and the Communist Party of Hungary merged into the Socialist Party of Hungary, as a result of which more than half of the seats in the Budapest Workers' and Soldiers Council, which abolished the State Assembly and the Hungarian National Council on the same day, were taken power in their own hands and proclaimed the Hungarian Soviet Republic, and on 23 of June 1919 of the year he transferred power to the Central Executive Committee of Workers 'and Peasants' Councils, elected at the next National Assembly of Workers' and Peasants' and Soldiers' Councils. On August 7, as a result of the invasion of the Romanian army in Hungary, power was taken away from the Central Executive Committee of the Workers' and Peasants' and Soldiers' Councils and transferred to the regent Joseph Augustus of Austria, however, on August 23 he refused the regency, the functions of the head of state were fulfilled by the Prime Minister Friedrich Istvan appointed by him on August 7 (on November 24 he was replaced by Kara Husar).
    25 — 26 On January 1920, elections to the National Assembly took place, the majority of which were received by the CONSERVATORS.
    1 March 1920, the National Assembly announced the RESTORATION OF THE MONARCHY, the king was not elected, Miklos Horthy was declared regent.

    3. In Russia. А USSR was formed 22 December 1922 years, i.e. 2,5-2 years after the defeat of the revolutionary movement in Germany and Hungary.

    TOTAL Lenin treacherously Lied when illogically making excuses, posing as wishful thinking. And why?
    Yes because The main condition for political and financial support revolutionary Russian social democrats from abroad to seize power in RI for all 10 leading so-called Russian "social democratic" parties in the Republic of Ingushetia it was precisely the administrative-territorial division of the Republic of Ingushetia on the basis of the “titular” nationality with the RIGHT OF EXITING THEM from the COUNTRY — any Russia.
    And this ORDER of the West was fulfilled by Lenin and Trotsky!
    So you can spit 100 times on this far-fetched - illogical "excuse" of Lenin! For it does not stand reliable historical criticism.
  4. at84432384
    at84432384 20 November 2019 21: 00 New
    0
    There are many inconsistencies in your reasoning. Lenin and Trotsky belonged to different political views and could not in any way be “controlled” from one center. And their different forces sponsored (Trotsky, the banker Schiff, Lenin, the German General Staff). But even formally (if Lenin had accepted some obligations and kept his word nobly) there was no one to report to him. Yes, and he was an absolute pragmatist. And what financial support did Soviet Russia receive after becoming the USSR in the 20s from the outside? Unclear. In fairness, for the Bolsheviks, the national question was not of paramount importance. And this is understandable: the revolution has triumphed all over the world, there are no states, all are equal and free. Then all tasks were solved as they became available and based on opportunities. The rest is conspirology. No one has yet presented reliable documents about a conspiracy of Lenin and Trotsky with some beneficiaries of dividing Russia into national republics.
  5. Tatyana
    Tatyana 20 November 2019 23: 11 New
    0
    Firstly, the initiators of the “sealed” carriage, [u] turned the tide of world history, which the Germans didn’t really want to do [/ u, were not Germans]. The German headquarters, which let the Bolsheviks through Germany to Russia, are just a consequence of the secret agreements of the London special services with Berlin
    An outspoken German agent, the head of the Social Revolutionaries, Chernov.
    The USA entered the war on April 6 1917
    At the same time, the February Revolution was organized precisely by the "allies" of Russia in the Entente - in St. Petersburg it was supervised by the English and French ambassadors. And the October Revolution was just a continuation of it. Lenin understood that after the February Revolution, Russian revolutionaries would not be gentle to the West, and as carriers of military-political secrets they could well be destroyed by Western intelligence agencies. Therefore, the Bolsheviks went further, having completed the October Socialist coup in RI.

    Secondly. The Bolsheviks began to cooperate with the Western special services, like all other revolutionary parties, back in the 1904-1905 years, and Lenin in the 1895 year.

    And Lenin in the party on the "financial flows" sat his comrade-in-arms Ganetsky (Fürstenberg), who maintained contact with the foreign sponsors of the Bolsheviks - and these were, after all, mainly not Germans.
    If you look at the program documents of the main parties of 1917 of the year
    then they all included a clause laid down in London in 1900
    1. Social Revolutionaries
    n. 3. Federation of Independent Nationalities (Finland, Poland, Great Russia, Little Russia, the Caucasus, etc. - the Baltic countries, Central Asian countries.)
    2. RSDLP
    P.9. The right to self-determination belongs to all nations that are part of the state.
    3. Real party
    P.3. "The radical party considers it necessary to establish the principle of broad national-political autonomy."
    4.Democratic Union of Constitutionalists.
    5. Freethinkers Party.
    “The most complete form of autonomy, not only national but also territorial, approaching Finnish autonomy, should be given to the Polish people within the Kingdom of Poland ...”
    6. Party of Constitutional Democrats.
    "The Finnish Constitution, which ensures its special state position, must be fully restored ..."
  6. at84432384
    at84432384 19 November 2019 20: 14 New
    +1
    Now the world is implementing the project "owners of money", i.e. financial globalists (the collapse of the family, nation-states, gender disasters, "digitalization" and, mind you, "human rights" have already been forgotten). Within the framework of this project, the Indo-European race should be completely destroyed, which Europe very clearly demonstrates, as a sponge saturating aggressive aliens from Africa and Asia. The Russian government acts in the same vein — it is much more difficult for an ethnic Russian to obtain Russian citizenship than a native of Asia. But this monstrous project will be defeated along with financial globalism and the first bells have already rung-Trump's arrival in the USA, Brexit. Adam Smith also concluded that capitalism is finite, and this moment has come, the end of the rope is already visible.
  7. at84432384
    at84432384 21 November 2019 16: 07 New
    0
    In February, the Bolsheviks did not participate, Lenin found out from the newspapers about it, but October was their program goal. And certainly not out of fear of Western intelligence agencies, the opportunity was provided. The "work" of the Bolsheviks on the enemies of the Republic of Ingushetia has already been exposed many times, but evidence of the contrary has not been, and is not. Objectively, the goals of Britain and the Bolsheviks to destroy tsarism coincided, but absolutely nothing follows from this. To attract the nationalist petty bourgeoisie to its side, a slogan was maintained on the right of nations to self-determination, which they did not intend to fulfill. Even in the Constitution of the USSR, the mechanism of such "self-determination" was not spelled out. The collapse of the USSR was a collusion of the highest party bureaucracy, which decided to monetize its high position in the country. This was done absolutely illegally. And to appeal to the Bolsheviks is simply inappropriate here.
  • 416D
    416D 18 November 2019 15: 04 New
    0
    I apologize, but did the "counter-bourgeois coup of 1991" also be implemented by representatives of backward, feudal suburbs? Or are the "saints of the 90s" the work of their hands? Something Gorbachev, Yeltsin and others do NOT look like those.

    Please do not trust every base article.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 18 November 2019 07: 15 New
    0
    Rather, the question is different. That is why it was necessary to destroy the USSR? The countries of Asia and the Caucasus have faced the fact that they are free.
    1. APES
      APES 18 November 2019 07: 53 New
      +2
      Quote: Zaurbek
      Rather, the question is different. That is why it was necessary to destroy the USSR? The countries of Asia and the Caucasus have faced the fact that they are free.

      And you ask Gorbachev and Yeltsin - they know for sure. Why I don’t know, and why - the answer in the book "farmyard" is, and comprehensive
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 18 November 2019 08: 32 New
        0
        And why then dig in to what they call whom? It will be fashionable to call European names and names - they will call.
        1. bessmertniy
          bessmertniy 18 November 2019 09: 34 New
          +3
          Azerbaijan is simply sliding into terry Russophobia. To prohibit calling children to parents as they see fit is some kind of moral violence against their people.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 18 November 2019 09: 37 New
            0
            And here is Russophobia? They want to call their Azerbaijani children, whatever they want. This is an official statement ..
  • Tank hard
    Tank hard 18 November 2019 11: 40 New
    +2
    Quote: Pessimist22
    That is why it was necessary to pull out these republics from the Middle Ages, when the Far East could be used for such investments.

    Yes, why was some kind of oil needed, first of the Russian Empire, and then the USSR? wink laughing
  • Gepard
    Gepard 19 November 2019 12: 40 New
    0
    And then, that these republics gave a lot to the common boiler then. Well, or pick it up. You yourself are sitting next to Moscow
  • Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 19 November 2019 13: 02 New
    0
    Only now do not do a favor. Why talk? Baku was the center of oil production all over the world until almost the 50s. Now imagine a victory in the Second World War without Baku oil for a minute. As for the Middle Ages, a good such Middle Ages happened in Dubai (UAE), as it did without "high-tech" help from neighboring northern powers)
    It’s not necessary to fall into hysterics and draw far-reaching conclusions directly far behind the ears (Ordering?) Because of the position of an individual official of the level of deputy head of the department (!), Who received, in Azerbaijan itself, a solid portion of criticism and even ridicule it openly provincial position. Names are names, and here Russophobia? Moreover, the late M. Bagirov and his speech were dragged out of place, such performances were a fad in every republic at that time, leaders of a non-titular nationality should, by their duty, be cursed national and publicly crucify their internationalism. Why such a storm in a glass and a fake cry, but a theatrical wringing of hands?
  • APES
    APES 18 November 2019 05: 31 New
    +16
    Need a visa regime.
    And many should be returned to their homeland
    1. polar fox
      polar fox 18 November 2019 18: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: APES
      Need a visa regime.
      And many should be returned to their homeland

      with all due respect, it was necessary the day before yesterday. Now these are “Tozherosiyans”, and they spread rot on their fellow tribesmen in black.
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 18 November 2019 06: 04 New
    +8
    The Russian Federation professes an "open society", harmonizes its laws and traditions with the opinion of the "international community." This is much worse than Azerbaijani nationalism.
    National restrictions are their own business. And Russian officials need to do what APES (Andrei) suggested.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 18 November 2019 06: 05 New
    +1
    A calm, intelligible reading of excerpts from classical literature does more than revolt on various occasions. We have lost it. And not only our people listen to it. To speak in wooden language, and even with poor diction, is to bury the Russian language.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 18 November 2019 06: 13 New
      +2
      To speak a wooden language, and even with poor diction, is to bury the Russian language.

      So says Huseynov and others like him ...
      speak the language of Pushkin, Nekrasov, Yesenin ... there are many beautiful words and phrases ... it’s business to read and absorb into your soul all the beauty of the Russian language.
      But there is a category of people who are not able to do this because of the poison in their souls, and they, apart from splashing out the black liquid of their bitterness into the Russian language, are not capable of anything else.
  • apro
    apro 18 November 2019 06: 06 New
    +12
    Today, Azerbaijan is a foreign sovereign state. Which has its own interests. Which contradict the interests of our people. And this is what you need to build your relations with this state. This is not a bad and not good choice. And they should live with it.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 18 November 2019 06: 11 New
    +11
    Hitler’s CIS dreams came true ...
  • Fevralsk. Morev
    Fevralsk. Morev 18 November 2019 06: 26 New
    +4
    The main law of the current government, most importantly, is the profit of shareholders. And do not care about the Spasskaya Tower Russophobia of our trading partner.
    1. Victor N
      Victor N 18 November 2019 16: 03 New
      0
      Not good! There is a lot of anger.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 18 November 2019 06: 30 New
    +11
    Cool! Azerbaijan is to blame for our domestic policy. And why discuss what is going on with them? For the article yachsha saolo.
    Come to us in Lublin, we will pay each other for each Russian I meet, you are for me for every guest from the south. So I will become a millionaire.
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 18 November 2019 06: 38 New
      +2
      East Biryulyovo-while we hold on! Bye!
    2. Phil77
      Phil77 18 November 2019 06: 45 New
      0
      Good morning everyone! Dear Gardamir, Thank God that this * damned * * vegetable girl * was covered up after the well-known events, this is one of the reasons that our region does not enjoy * these * former popularity. Hence the conclusion: while the people are silent the authorities and it won't scratch! Well, something like this.
    3. Vitaly Tsymbal
      Vitaly Tsymbal 18 November 2019 08: 42 New
      +3
      Dear Gardamir! Come to us to the south, to the North Caucasus, namely to Stavropol and you will be pleasantly surprised belay We don’t even have a mosque in our city ... Although the city is a student city and there are a lot of young people from all over the North Caucasus and even from Bangladesh and India. And Moscow, having become the capital, has ceased to be a Russian city - for Russia is not only Russians. And any capital of the world is not a mononational settlement (ambassadors, merchants, students, foreign workers, singers and buffoons who settle in the capitals).
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 18 November 2019 10: 28 New
        +1
        any capital of the world is not mono-ethnic
        I agree, but in addition to the janitors and sellers of shops, we also have a shopping center in Moscow, Sadovod (the place where Cherkizon moved), so here are the main Azerbaijanis, Uzbeks, and, well, Kyrgyz and Tajiks. You will not see the Russian face soon.
  • Cryvedco
    Cryvedco 18 November 2019 06: 35 New
    +5
    In Tajikistan, the same garbage with names, in Kazakhstan, everything is renamed, as elsewhere ...
  • Alexander Ra
    Alexander Ra 18 November 2019 06: 45 New
    +8
    What names Azerbaijanis have is their business. We need to come to a nationally oriented management. In which Russophobia will not cause us significant damage, but will receive an adequate response. If you look, the most Russophobia-in Russia.
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 18 November 2019 07: 03 New
      +2
      Hello, of course, only where to get them, these nationally oriented managers ???
  • Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 18 November 2019 07: 16 New
    +13
    What is the main thing and for what purpose the article was written? Inciting national hostility? Or is your librarian Huseynov our "answer to Chamberlain" to words about the Russian language? And what does Bagirov, who was shot almost 60 years ago, and photos of Soviet propaganda magazines? It is also incomprehensible to mention the oil pipeline (like - the Russian Federation should be afraid, like Ukraine, to lose money for transit)? And most importantly, the author did not express his opinion how to react ... Maybe we should conduct a military operation to preserve Russian names in Azerbaijan fool By the way, Russian names in Soviet times were distributed mainly among residents of multinational Baku, and in rural areas, Azerbaijani were traditionally popular. Call your friends in Azerbaijan and you will hear that 99.9% have not heard about the ban on naming children against the will of their parents ... So why is this article "with a soul"?
    You must fight for the Russian language in your own country in Russia, using your own examples (such as the UAZ "Patriot"), and not look for the perpetrators abroad !!!!
    For local Russophobes and anti-Russophobes - I am Russian, who lived and served in Russia, Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, Germany (GDR), Belarus - I was born and now live in Russia.
    1. Altai72
      Altai72 18 November 2019 08: 36 New
      +2
      I wanted to strike the same thing, but you stated everything clearly and in place. What does the names of newborns have to do with the oil pipeline?)) Maybe we’ll also put the 11th Red Army in Baku on an armored train? Already Azizbekov was remembered by 26 Baku commissars. Bagirov like all newborns in Azerbaijan called Slavic names?)) I can’t remember anyway, we came from a Slavic family from Tambov, from Belgorod or Voronezh with the name Ahmed, Mehmed, Hasan or Huseyn. What and what is better known to call them there, and there is no Russophobia in Azerbaijan. Among the current capitals of the former Soviet republics, there is no Russian-speaking more than Baku. For what reason are such articles published in VO? Or do we need to bring Baku to the level of Riga, Vilnius, Tallinn, Tbilisi, Yerevan, etc.?
      1. Vitaly Tsymbal
        Vitaly Tsymbal 18 November 2019 08: 56 New
        +5
        Altai. Just a week ago I came from Armenia. The attitude towards the Russians is very warm and friendly, everyone is fluent in Russian. They performed in front of students of Yerevan universities - conducted courage lessons on the Second World War and Afghanistan, they heard in their address, not protocol - thanks. When the Georgians (formerly called the Georgians) did not allow us to transit from Armenia to Russia, then the Armenians, even taxi drivers, knowing what “stalemate” situation we found ourselves in, didn’t tear money from us, and even offered to spend free nights in our house ( 5 people did not let us in because we are Afghans). So you in vain attributed Armenia to that campaign. I am sure that if something like this happened in Azerbaijan, we also received fraternal support and assistance.
    2. Flooding
      Flooding 18 November 2019 08: 44 New
      +1
      On the one hand, you are right. You need to restore order, starting with your hut.
      On the other hand, Russophobia does not recognize borders, and this and this are one and the same thing.
      And she needs to resist everywhere. This is an extremely important part of public policy.
      Yes, you are right that many Azerbaijanis will not know about this lady’s initiative.
      But keep in mind that the lady is only a small touch of the big picture.
      This is a long-term system work.
      And, of course, you need to fight not with the lady, but with the system.
      Not with the goal of defeating her. Most likely this is impossible.
      And in order to effectively deter.
  • Fon elia
    Fon elia 18 November 2019 07: 22 New
    +1
    An author from a molehill sculpts. Well said Madame. This is absolutely nothing. As Baku spoke Russian, they loved and will be. It smells of mothballs from the article. Armenian radio sponsor probably.
    1. Fevralsk. Morev
      Fevralsk. Morev 18 November 2019 10: 30 New
      -2
      And with this, it all starts. One said, two wrote and off we go. Forgot where did the banderization of Ukraine begin? In the beginning, Zapadents were infected with this ideology, and now many from the Southeast are in the ranks of the Right Sector. (Yarosh from Dnepropetrovsk) It is necessary to treat the disease immediately, and not wait for an epidemic.
    2. Far East
      Far East 18 November 2019 12: 07 New
      -1
      he also said in Ukraine :( we don’t have Natsik, Bandera) we all came up with, they are children. well, etc. and, of course, this is their business!
  • 416D
    416D 18 November 2019 08: 14 New
    +8
    The article is biased. If you give a statement of one person, you need to give a complete picture. Here is the deputy of the national parliament of Azerbaijan, Elmira Akhundova, condemned this statement by writing the article "" Sayaly Sadigova and Co. "strike a blow at the state policy of multiculturalism." Here's the link https://1news.az/news/zapret-na-russkie-imena-v-azerbaydzhane-kak-udar-po-gosudarstvennoy-politike-mul-tikul-turalizma.
    By the way, a couple of days ago they completed the repair of an Orthodox church in the center of Baku and Patriarch Kirill consecrated this temple in Baku. https://moscow-baku.ru/news/society/patriarkh_kirill_osvyatil_sobor_svyatykh_zhen_mironosits_v_baku/
  • kotdavin4i
    kotdavin4i 18 November 2019 08: 17 New
    +7
    Good morning everybody. Let me insert my “5 kopecks” - not like “the daughter of an officer of the Crimean resident - believe me, it’s not all so simple” - I’m really a resident of Azerbaijan, Russian (after my father’s ancestors from Malokan arrived here under imperial Russia), the site is about 7 years old - old-timers know me. Regarding this article, I don’t understand why this question was raised. There are no problems with Russian names, Azerbaijanis did not have such a tradition before calling children Russian names (if it was in mixed marriages). This commission was created when parents from the villages began to call their children really "strange" names - Rambo, Zorro, and others, which in translation from Azerbaijan sounds wild. These names are forbidden. As for the prohibition of Russian names - this is not a ban, let's say “recommendation”, you just did not see the Azerbaijanis - for the slightest reason they make a fuss and may turn to the court))). And indeed, with Russian and Russian there are no problems here.
    1. Butchcassidy
      Butchcassidy 18 November 2019 08: 46 New
      0
      It's about the fact that there is a ban. Moreover, the authors write that some traditionally Lezgi names are also prohibited. The question is that the same Onegin Gadzhikasimov (Schemon Simon) would be banned by such a commission.

      Yes, abusive names should be prohibited, as well as with numbers, etc. But to prohibit the "Russian" names ?! This is nonsense.
      1. 416D
        416D 18 November 2019 09: 54 New
        +5
        And do not tell me which traditionally Lezgi names are banned? You have incorrect information, under the ban "stupid" names such as Bulletin, Rambo, Tractor, etc. This has nothing to do with Lezgins. As for the Russian names, this is not a ban, but the recommendation of the cheer “patriot”, officials have already criticized it
        1. Butchcassidy
          Butchcassidy 18 November 2019 15: 55 New
          0
          Question to the author of the article.
      2. kotdavin4i
        kotdavin4i 18 November 2019 10: 48 New
        +3
        Quote: ButchCassidy
        It's about the cost of the ban

        Well, in general, even from this article - "In mid-October, Deputy Chairman of the Terminology Commission under the Azerbaijani Cabinet of Ministers Sayaly Sadigov told local media, "This" deputy "told the media - there is NO official ban, decree, order - NO.
        1. Butchcassidy
          Butchcassidy 18 November 2019 16: 35 New
          -2
          What is the difference, in what form the ban is drawn up, if this is indicated by an official in the position of deputy? Why should I not believe her? The question is rhetorical
  • knn54
    knn54 18 November 2019 08: 17 New
    +1
    Under Khrushchev, all the leaders of the republic were removed; only Bagirov was shot.
    And what an outstanding poet, hieroshimonh Simon, Onegin Man Hadzhikasimov would say to this “reptile”, would he survive to this day
    1. Butchcassidy
      Butchcassidy 18 November 2019 08: 42 New
      -1
      Yes, about. Simone has a very interesting fate.
  • 416D
    416D 18 November 2019 08: 21 New
    +5
    A big request to the author of the article to express their attitude to the erection of a monument to the Wehrmacht officer Garegin Nzhdeh in the Russian city of Armavir. If you are such a patriot, then I’m interested in your attitude to this fact.
    1. Karen
      Karen 18 November 2019 09: 04 New
      -3
      From the side, I note ... The topic of Garegin Nzhdeh was recently raised and Aliyev at a meeting of leaders at the summit, it seems, the CIS, in Central Asia ... Pashinyan answered, and none of the leaders expressed indignation ... They know the story, apparently ...
      1. 416D
        416D 18 November 2019 09: 42 New
        +3
        The question was to the author of the article, however, thank you for the answer. Yes, they know the story well, they know that he worked for Hitler, he was convicted in the USSR for this, he died in prison and was not rehabilitated.
        1. Karen
          Karen 18 November 2019 09: 49 New
          -1
          History speaks a little bit different ... I have repeatedly emphasized: SMERSH knew better why Nzhde should not be shot ...
          ______
          You have a nickname ... Once Genisis wrote that user 416 was no longer writing comments, with whom it was interesting to talk ... Is this about you?
          1. 416D
            416D 18 November 2019 10: 02 New
            +3
            Quote from Wikipedia "Since the death penalty was abolished in the USSR in 1947 on April 24, 1948, Nzhdeh was sentenced to maximum punishment"

            As for Nick - I do not know. The 416th division was formed from Azerbaijanis to the Great Patriotic War. Perhaps there are several users under this nickname whose grandfathers fought as part of that division.
            1. Karen
              Karen 18 November 2019 10: 15 New
              -3
              Quote: 416D
              Quote from Wikipedia "Since the death penalty was abolished in the USSR in 1947 on April 24, 1948, Nzhdeh was sentenced to maximum punishment"

              Until 1947 they could shoot ... This topic is discussed a lot at other venues ... For me there is our legend that Stalin somehow ordered Nzhde to be brought to him ... That they were being escorted by General Nzhde to the reception ... When Stalin arrived, the general to the chill, and Nzhdeh sits calmly ... Stalin in Armenian: "Barev, Nzhdeh." ... Legend says that the general then asked Nzhdeh why he did not get up? And what Nzhdeh answered, like: He’s the Supreme for you, and we are revolutionaries ...
              1. 416D
                416D 18 November 2019 10: 23 New
                +2
                Legend :) That's why I asked the author a question, and not to readers from Armenia
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 18 November 2019 09: 44 New
      0
      Quote: 416D
      Wehrmacht officer Garegin Nzhdeh

      He was not an officer, but he actively collaborated with the Germans in the formation of the Armenian Legion (30 thousand). In modern Armenia there is a cult of Nzhdeh. The premiere of the film “Garegin Nzhdeh” was held in Yerevan in 2013. The film is dedicated to the 21 anniversary of the creation of the Armenian army. The film starred Russian actors Chulpan Khamatova and Mikhail Efremov.
      1. Karen
        Karen 18 November 2019 10: 01 New
        0
        Quote: tihonmarine
        He was not an officer, but he actively collaborated with the Germans in the formation of the Armenian Legion (30 thousand).

        He emphasized more than once: under the screen of the Armenian Legion, Nzhdeh and Dro only saved Armenians from concentration camps ... They did not take real part in hostilities ... Hitler was not mistaken that he did not believe the Georgians and Armenians in his ranks, but only Muslims .. .
        _____
        You should also know how many Soviet prisoners of war died of hunger in concentration camps ...
        1. 416D
          416D 18 November 2019 10: 11 New
          +2
          The fact is that saboteurs were prepared from those who were saved from concentration camps for transfer to the rear of the Soviet army. It is a fact.

          You should also know how many Soviet prisoners of war died of hunger in concentration camps ... Of course, they know - they have eternal memory
          1. Karen
            Karen 18 November 2019 10: 20 New
            0
            Quote: 416D
            The fact is that saboteurs were prepared from those who were saved from concentration camps for transfer to the rear of the Soviet army. It is a fact.

            How much can you bring the facts of participation in the sabotage recorded in the Armenian Legion? By the way, Jews were recorded there, and Russians ... Therefore, the Germans began to check for knowledge of the Armenian alphabet, and then for circumcision, which we never did ...
            Quote: 416D
            You should also know how many Soviet prisoners of war died of hunger in concentration camps ... Of course, they know - they have eternal memory

            Everlasting memory!!!
            1. 416D
              416D 18 November 2019 10: 26 New
              +1
              The fact is that he was convicted. If you need facts of participation in the Armenian Legion, you can familiarize yourself with the materials of the criminal case.
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 18 November 2019 10: 23 New
          +1
          Quote: Karen
          He emphasized more than once: under the screen of the Armenian Legion, Nzhdeh and Dro only saved the Armenians from concentration camps ... They did not take a real part in the hostilities.

          Yes, some Armenians deserted and fled to the Red Army, but the information from WWII says otherwise
          The 809-th Armenian infantry battalion proved to be excellent during the military operations in the Caucasus. Later he was given the name "Zeytun." The battalion was organized by order of 29 on August 1942 in Pulawy. By order of November 18 of that year, he was transferred to the Caucasus. For the courage and courage at the front, the personnel of the battalion deserved the gratitude of Field Marshal von Kleist as "... a courageous formation worthy of the military traditions of its heroic ancestors." Many military personnel were awarded Iron Crosses and medals for the eastern peoples.
          Subsequently, the 809th Zeytun battalion was deployed to Ukraine and Poland, where it participated in anti-partisan operations.
          And 30 000 soldiers of the Armenian Legion, it’s not even the Spanish “Blue Division”, but twice as much.
          1. Karen
            Karen 18 November 2019 10: 29 New
            -2
            It would be - I would read in the book "Forgotten Legion" Bergmann "...
            And by the way, you gave an example of just one battalion, not 30000 ...
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 18 November 2019 13: 00 New
              +2
              Quote: Karen
              And by the way, you gave an example of just one battalion, not 30000.

              But the 808 battalion arrived at the front and it was disbanded, there was an underground organization and deserted a lot. The rest of the battalion was sent to the West, they did not conduct military operations (not reliable). But in all, the Nazis served about 500 000 of our compatriots from the USSR, and many served in the SS and punitive battalions .. So, do not take it painfully at your own expense.
      2. 416D
        416D 18 November 2019 10: 13 New
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        What exists in modern Armenia is its internal affair, and when they erect on the territory of Russia monuments to those convicted of collaborating with the Nazis, this is already Russia's affair. What were you fighting for then?
        1. Karen
          Karen 18 November 2019 11: 19 New
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          Actually, the topic was discussed about your relationship ... Why did you add the Armenian branch, it’s not very clear ... I don’t even want to talk about the Azerbaijani Legion, especially about participating in the suppression of the Warsaw Uprising ...
          And about the Russian-Azerbaijani topic already in the Russian Federation - regarding the cooperation of some people with the Nazis - I can voice an interesting fact: by the order of the President of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev dated November 22, 2013 "On the 130th anniversary of Mammad Emin Rasulzade" this date was celebrated last year with pomp not only in Azerbaijan, but also in Russian cities.
          1. 416D
            416D 18 November 2019 11: 27 New
            +2
            I have nothing against the Armenian people, it’s just that Nzhdeh’s only accomplice to Hitler who installed a monument in Russia, the author asked why they should write articles about unofficial statements of an official in Azerbaijan, while in Russia they erect monuments to Hitler’s comrades-in-arms.


            No criminal case was opened against Mammad Emin Rasulzade for cooperation with the Wehrmacht.
            1. Karen
              Karen 18 November 2019 11: 32 New
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              Nzhdeh according to Stalin had to be imprisoned: he knew too much ... about Stalin ... Well, the topic is that Nzhdeh needed Stalin in his plans to return the land from Turkey that the Ganevskys presented to the Turks after the Bolshevik coup ...
              1. 416D
                416D 18 November 2019 11: 42 New
                0
                Jacob Ganetsky?
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                2. Karen
                  Karen 18 November 2019 11: 54 New
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                  Yes, this one insisted that Kars be handed over to the Turks ... Even Ani, as a symbol of the Ani kingdom, was obligated to be handed over to the Turks ...
                  1. 416D
                    416D 18 November 2019 12: 12 New
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                    Well, shortly before that, Turkey agreed to transfer more territories to Armenia, and the Dashnak government incorrectly assessed the situation and declared war on Turkey, losing as a result what was under control. The Kars Treaty simply consolidated the real state of affairs
                    1. Karen
                      Karen 18 November 2019 12: 18 New
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                      And before that, as I emphasized, France armed Kemal to win over against Bolshevism ...
                      Well, the Dashnaks were proteges of Zionism, and prepared the Confederation from Turkey, Armenia and Azerbaijan ...
                      1. 416D
                        416D 18 November 2019 12: 20 New
                        +3
                        Do you have the feeling that “developed” countries have been poisoning our peoples for more than 100 years to achieve their goals?
                      2. Karen
                        Karen 18 November 2019 15: 29 New
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                        Quote: 416D
                        Do you have the feeling that “developed” countries have been poisoning our peoples for more than 100 years to achieve their goals?

                        Just a hundred?
                        I, already, wrote in another thread: I’m sure that when the royal family of Bagratuna (Jews, Bagratids) divided Armenia among themselves and began to fight against each other with the involvement of Seljuk Turks, they did this at the request of their conspirators - Jews conquered by Russians Khazars to tear apart Armenians for the Hazaras (Jewish-Turkic tandem) ... I see the same thing today when I read the Schneerson platform: "... By destroying the national in Georgia and Armenia, the Khazaria will reach the borders of Turkey."
                      3. 416D
                        416D 18 November 2019 15: 55 New
                        +1
                        I have a different view of this. The British Empire and France began to use the Armenian question as a means of pressure on the Ottoman Empire. The Russian Empire picked up the baton. Of course, no one thought of the framed peoples; empires have their own interests
                      4. Karen
                        Karen 18 November 2019 16: 07 New
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                        Quote: 416D
                        I have a different view of this. The British Empire and France began

                        Well, a traditional type story begins with the division of Armenia between Rome and Persia ...
                        ... Then the Byzantine nightmare begins for Armenians - Byzantium was too cruel for the conquered peoples ... The crown of their treachery - when the Khazars were offered joint actions in the war against the Persians ... Then the Khazars began to cut out the Caucasian Albanians, the autochones of your lands today .. .
                      5. 416D
                        416D 18 November 2019 16: 43 New
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                        Then the Khazars began to cut out the Caucasian Albanians, the autochthons of your lands today ...

                        and yours too ... although there are no autochthonous Urartu were Nokhchi, the ancestors of the Ingush and Chechens
                      6. Karen
                        Karen 18 November 2019 16: 50 New
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                        Quote: 416D
                        and yours too ... although there are no autochthonous Urartu were Nokhchi, the ancestors of the Ingush and Chechens

                        There is room for discussion: after the palace coup in Urartu in 622. BC. Something very easily disappeared from Nokhchi, and without any cutouts ... Maybe Urartu was an empire, and only the royal branch was from Nokhchi?
                      7. 416D
                        416D 18 November 2019 17: 23 New
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                        Maybe Urartu was an empire, and only the royal branch was from Nokhchi?

                        Yes, now in the XXI century you can’t say anything 100% about what happened many centuries ago. Everyone rewrite history
                      8. Karen
                        Karen 18 November 2019 17: 28 New
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                        Quote: 416D
                        Yes, now in the XXI century you can’t say anything 100% about what happened many centuries ago. Everyone rewrite history

                        I agree ...
                        This concludes the discussion in this thread ...
  • Okolotochny
    Okolotochny 18 November 2019 12: 47 New
    +1
    it's just that Nzhdeh is the only accomplice of Hitler to whom a monument is erected in Russia

    I don’t know the monument, but the memorial plaque was erected, in Armavir, on the territory of the Armenian church. One city deputy painted his name on the board. So the noise rose. Now it seems that the deputies of the Legislative Assembly of the region have made a request about the legality of the installation.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 18 November 2019 13: 07 New
    +1
    Quote: 416D
    What exists in modern Armenia is its internal affair.

    But there is an agreement on mutual military assistance only between Russia and Armenia, but between Russia and Belarus there isn’t. And there is a Russian military base on the territory of Armenia, but they cannot agree on the territory of Belarus, why?
    1. 416D
      416D 18 November 2019 14: 07 New
      +1
      Belarus has nothing to fear, while Armenia occupied part of Azerbaijan, and also has territorial claims against Turkey and Georgia. She needs military protection, plus Russia needs to have troops in this region, she has Kaliningrad in the west, so Minsk is not so important
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 18 November 2019 14: 48 New
        +1
        Quote: 416D
        Belarus has nothing to fear

        Well, let's say Poland attacks Belarus, what should I do?
        1. 416D
          416D 18 November 2019 14: 56 New
          +2
          Well, yes, the Poles have nothing more to do :)
          but seriously, even if it attacks from the realm of fiction, nothing prevents Russia from repeating the Syrian scenario: at the invitation of the legitimately elected government, as well as personally Bashar Assad .... that is, Lukashenko-Russia introduces a limited contingent .... and think for yourself
  • Maxim Guryanov
    Maxim Guryanov 18 November 2019 13: 59 New
    +1
    I support about the Hitlerite minion Nzhdeh! And if this "patriot" bothered to visit Baku with its Russian schools, theaters and the Russian population, then he hardly began to write this crap. Although you know, depending on how much they pay for the order ...
  • andrewkor
    andrewkor 18 November 2019 08: 22 New
    +1
    My daughter called my granddaughter Melina, which means Honey from Serbian. My daughter is a Russian, papametis, of a local spill, we live and are not serious in Uzbekistan, in Tashkent! Yes, another nuance, they were looking for a harmonious, extraordinary name on the Internet.
    1. Avior
      Avior 18 November 2019 09: 44 New
      0
      I think many words mean something in some sort of language.
      It is important how the child will live with that name.
      On the other hand, my wife has a very rare name.
      This is convenient when she calls herself on the phone, no one asks "what kind of Natasha?"
      Inconveniently different - in most cases her name is spoken with errors by ear, you should always double-check.
  • Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 18 November 2019 08: 41 New
    -1
    M. Zabelin should not be taken seriously as a representative of the Russian community - this is a rather pocket-sized comrade who never criticizes the authorities.
  • Million
    Million 18 November 2019 09: 07 New
    +1
    Baba just fulfills her cookies
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 18 November 2019 09: 12 New
    0
    the last chord M.-D. Bagirova on the same issues was his extensive article with similar accents in the journal "Communist" (Moscow) in February 1953: "The elder brother in the family of Soviet peoples." The magazine issue was signed three weeks before the "official" death of Stalin ...
    No, the last chord was the 1956 chord of the year when the Trotskyist and Russophobe Khrushchev shot Bagirov.
  • Avior
    Avior 18 November 2019 09: 40 New
    0
    Are there really people who can son Tractor, and call daughter Combine?
    You need to be fined for improper performance of parental duties, even for trying to create problems for the child in the life of such parents .....
  • Avior
    Avior 18 November 2019 10: 33 New
    0
    Interestingly, how is the situation in Armenia with this issue?
    1. Karen
      Karen 18 November 2019 11: 58 New
      -1
      There is no such question.
      1. Avior
        Avior 18 November 2019 11: 59 New
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        Are there Russians?
        1. Karen
          Karen 18 November 2019 12: 05 New
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          Yes, my Russian classmates stayed, raised children ...
          ... About 15 years ago I saw Pamela Anderson spilled on the street ... well, she came up with a trick ... so she told me in Armenian at the end that she was a Molokan, during the years of the energy terror their family left here for Russia, and now they’re coming back .. .
  • Stas157
    Stas157 18 November 2019 10: 34 New
    0
    . forbidden to call their children Petram, Ivanov, Pavel, Tatyana.
    Yes, let them even stand on their heads!
  • pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 18 November 2019 11: 57 New
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    They will all die ...
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 18 November 2019 12: 01 New
    +1
    The national question is a very delicate question. But let the other, former republics, do not forget about respect for the Russian people and its history.
    1. Isa dunyamaliyev
      Isa dunyamaliyev 18 November 2019 21: 48 New
      +1
      In this case, even if the Russians do not respect respect for others!
    2. Isa dunyamaliyev
      Isa dunyamaliyev 18 November 2019 21: 59 New
      0
      Let the Russians have respect for others in this case
      1. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 18 November 2019 23: 13 New
        +1
        Isa, do not Russians respect other nations? Judging by your remarks, you respect only your nation. But you are not the whole nation.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 18 November 2019 12: 10 New
    +1
    Why, even Azerbaijani oil is partially exported through a pipeline through the North Caucasus to the ports of Novorossiysk and Tuapse, and these are significant transit revenues: a maximum of $ 70 million / year.

    those who sell honor usually lose their wallet over time
  • DPN
    DPN 18 November 2019 12: 42 New
    +1
    Yes, in general, all this was already tired, it was necessary to think about it when they DESTROY the USSR Now that it was too late to poke your nose into neighboring states, let them live as they like, just to not crap Russia. Domestic politics is their business and problems.
  • Oquzyurd
    Oquzyurd 18 November 2019 12: 46 New
    +2
    1. The essence of the content of the article is sucked out, according to the principle, throw dirt towards Azerbaijan, if it doesn’t even stick, then a trace will remain. Some comments by couch connoisseurs are confirmed and satisfied by the idea of ​​the mud-kickers.
  • Maxim Guryanov
    Maxim Guryanov 18 November 2019 14: 13 New
    +4
    An article on a resource whose rules spell a ban on inciting ethnic hatred. I didn’t expect it! ... And after all, many are underway, believe what is once again written on the fence. The material is far from reality and reality, the facts are torn apart and far-fetched. And the ordering so stinks like a mile away! I recommend the author to visit Baku, chat with the Russian population, look at everything with his own eyes, so as not to write then the obvious get along about some kind of Russophobia. Oh, do you have any editors there? I would take this article to hell with a dog ...
  • Isa dunyamaliyev
    Isa dunyamaliyev 18 November 2019 21: 43 New
    +1
    Hello, the author in your article clearly traces the anti-Azerbaijani propaganda! What is it that in Azerbaijan there are such restrictions, all the same, we are an independent country, and it’s not your mind that we deigned to do it in our country, but we are not bothering you. Secondly, there is no Russophobia in Azerbaijan at the moment, and even if there is something at a very low level, it is understandable in principle because it was you who introduced the troops on January 20 and that you have been supporting Armenians for more than 30 years. And about the fact that Turkey is not forbidden, Western and Arabic names will tell you so among the Arabic names there are Turkish close to us because of faith, since we are also Türks, so this refers to our culture, and even about Western ones in Azerbaijan, there are variations of Western names so that there is nothing criminal in this tode, for example, Michael - Michael. So, before writing an article, read the basics of the culture and history of Azerbaijan. And yet you are talking about Russophobia, please look at the Armenians in their country, there is almost no Russian school and in Azerbaijan there are more than 700, so there’s enough nonsense!
  • wmn5500
    wmn5500 19 November 2019 13: 38 New
    -1
    A provocative article that is easy to refute. Look here:

    What language does the president speak with the people?
  • haris
    haris 19 November 2019 14: 57 New
    +2
    This article is a clear provocation and full of lies. It is enough to look at the number of Russian schools and Russian sectors in ordinary schools and universities in Azerbaijan. If Russophobia would be closed everything.
    Second, even in Soviet times, Azerbaijanis did not call their children Russian names like Peter or Ivan. There were certainly stupid people who called their children the Council, the Tractor, the Harvester, etc. nonsense who are not Russian names. And it’s good that they were banned. This terrible mental damage was for children.
    The author also writes that the Persian and Lezgin names are supposedly forbidden and gives examples of “Sarhosh” - drunk, “Shushebend” -balcony, “Dzhinayatkar” - criminal. What do you think someone will call their children with these names if he has a mind?
    Regarding toponyms, they were originally so and in Soviet times was changed. This is the right of all countries to name their regions.
    I called my daughter Emma, ​​my sister Ella, the other sister my Christina. No one did not forbid and there were no problems. So dear readers, this article intends to mislead you.
    ps Those commentators who write that it’s supposedly Russian brought us civilization, just look at the oldest city in Russia. This city is Derbent, and this city is where the Russians "brought civilization."
  • Levon
    Levon 19 November 2019 23: 30 New
    +1
    It is clear that such actions are a provocation, but is it coming “from above” or is it some kind of trial ball of the xenophobic lobby?
    All factors are relevant to the response to such actions or plans of those countries whose state language they want to "eliminate" more. But the ex-French. colonies and in thoughts there is no the same thing to do with the French. names, the same - in the ex-colonies of Spain, Portugal, England, Holland, Belgium. So, with these powers even their distant "ex-outskirts" are reckoned with and probably fear ...
  • Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 21 November 2019 01: 06 New
    +2
    Quote: Pessimist22
    That is why it was necessary to pull out these republics from the Middle Ages.


    Then, so that after the collapse of the USSR, they were able to drive out all the Russians, and those who did not have time to leave, cut out.
    Then, so that the children of those who cut and chased the Russians were flooded with our homeland.
    Then, so that illegal nomads would flood our country with drugs, rob, rape and kill.
    Then, with the assistance of our authorities, they would have better chances to find work in our homeland.

    In some countries (for example, Japan) there are (and are observed) laws according to which the salary of an alien must exceed the salary of an indigenous person by several times (2-3 times).
    It is simply not profitable for businessmen to take expats and gaster to work.

    We have examples of how the state protects indigenous people.
    A law has been passed, according to which, all prof. drivers (buses, minibuses, taxis, etc.) must have Russian rights.
    Not citizenship! [b] [/ b] And the rights.

    That is, lawmakers deliberately opened the country to hordes of nomads.

    Sustainable business has now been established, migrants are buying Russian water rights, are buying a certificate of knowledge of the Russian language, and are quietly going to get a job by drivers of regular, city, school buses, taxi drivers.
    Even hospitals, city polyclinics are happy to take doctors from the former Asian republics, their diplomas are probably better than domestic ones.
    Where are the Native people driven?
  • Levon
    Levon 21 November 2019 12: 41 New
    +1
    So it is surprising, to say the least, that the obstruction of Russian names for children is proposed and, in fact, imposed. Against the background of an official, it seems, respect for the Russian language. But, for example, renaming - were (in cities, other settlements); a tremendous outflow - "half-deportation" - of the Russians from the country was, especially in the 90s. Moreover, a considerable number of Russian and mixed families were subjected to insults, various oppressions and even, often, terrorist attacks (not to mention the Armenians, Talysh, and not only).
    At the same time, it is worth recalling that Azerbaijan and other countries of Transcaucasia saved tens of thousands of Russian / Russian-speaking refugees from the bloody den of civil war in Russia. And in those years in these countries there was a mass media publication in Russian.
    As for figures like Njde - such, including ambiguous, more than enough in any Soviet nationality, and Azerbaijan is no exception, alas. But "reckoning" with more or less is a waste of time and primitive. Therefore, it is better to genuinely respect your own history and interethnic realities - even in spite of "your" politicians, especially those who are engaged. Otherwise, the boomerang effect is inevitable: in history, incl. in modern, there are many tragic examples.
  • Otshelnik
    Otshelnik 24 November 2019 10: 30 New
    +1
    Article is an absolute provocation !!!
  • Otshelnik
    Otshelnik 24 November 2019 10: 35 New
    0
    https://haqqin.az/news/163653
  • phair
    phair 25 November 2019 02: 28 New
    0
    I know one Azeri bad. And an Azerbaijani woman (trying to cheat). Can ban the name of Abdullah?
  • Baku People
    Baku People 12 December 2019 11: 55 New
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    here is a list of forbidden names
    https://news.milli.az/country/386418.html
    At first, the official prevented the spread of mainly the names of the Stalin period, as well as the Iranian and Lezgin ones: Tractor, Combine, Ensemble, Ulyana, Stalin, Electra, Sarkhosh, Shushebend, Dzhinayatkar, etc.

    Sarkhosh - Alcoholic
    Shushebend - windows
    It’s not names that are simple - it has nothing to do with the Talysh and Lezgins and the Russians too