The Ministry of Defense spoke about the timing of the entry into the troops of the TOS-2 flamethrower system

A new promising heavy flamethrower system TOS-2 ("Tosochka") will begin to enter the Russian armed forces in the spring of next year. This in an interview with the official publication of the Russian army to the newspaper "Red Star" said the head of the troops of radiation, chemical and biological protection Igor Kirillov.

According to Kirillov, the development of the promising TOS-2 heavy flamethrower system, previously called the "Tosochka", should be completed by the spring of next year, and by May these vehicles should already be in service with the flamethrower units of the Russian Chemical Forces Tank Battalion. Probably new flamethrower vehicles will take part in the Victory Parade on Red Square 9 on May 2020.

By the celebration of the 75 anniversary of Victory in the Great Patriotic War, the development of the TOS-2 heavy flamethrower system should be completed and delivered to the troops. It is planned that this combat vehicle will take part in a parade on Red Square

- he said.

The beginning of the second phase of testing a new flamethrower system was reported in June this year. As the general director of the Tekhmash concern Vladimir Lepin stated during the Army-2019 forum, deliveries of the TOS-2 (“Tosochki”) to the armed forces are planned in the near future, but did not specify specific dates.

Unfortunately, we cannot tell much about TOS-2, since there is almost no information on the new system in open sources. It is known that, unlike TOS-1 "Pinocchio" and TOS-1A "Solntsepek", which have a tracked tank chassis, TOS-2 created on a wheelbase. The launcher will remain the same as the previous platforms, and 220 mm unguided shells with a thermobaric or incendiary warhead will remain, although new ammunition designed specifically for TOS-2 may appear.

Previously, the developers of the system reported that the new flamethrower system was created taking into account the experience of using such weapons during hostilities in the Middle East.

Comments

[The leader of the Redskins]

Well ... Well, weapons are also needed to destroy a demoralized adversary, and it is precisely with these that I see the installation data.

[Hagalaz]

The presence of these attitudes can in itself become a factor in demoralization.

[Cruorvult]

Probably the non-demoralized ones have some kind of magical resistance to thermobaric weapons ?!

[Victor_B]

I wonder how many versts it shoots?

[bouncyhunter]

Given that:

The launcher will remain the same as the previous platforms, and 220 mm unguided shells with a thermobaric or incendiary warhead will remain

firing range is the same. But here it is:

the appearance of new ammunition designed specifically for TOS-2

gives hope for a longer range.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: bouncyhunter

gives hope for a longer range.

In fact, there have already been talks about increasing the range of the TOC system to 8-10 km ... but I think not this time! There were reports in connection with the development of "Toosochka", about new fuses for rockets, allowing to undermine eres at the height programmed before launch ...

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

In fact, there has already been talk of increasing the range of the TOC system to 8-10 km ...

I agree, this has happened more than once. Nikolaitch, my respect!

Quote: Nikolaevich I

but I think not this time

I hope for your wrong.

[Nikolaevich I]

And I wish you health!

Quote: bouncyhunter

I hope for your wrong

I hope so!

[bouncyhunter]

Well, then in the spring we will see / find out whether our hopes were justified.

[Piramidon]

Quote: bouncyhunter

lets hope for a longer range

I am not a specialist in this area and therefore I cannot understand what prevents combining the TOS warhead with MLRS missiles (Tornado, Smerch, Hurricane), which have an order of magnitude longer range? And in general, what is the fundamental difference between TOC and MLRS?

[bouncyhunter]

I, frankly, are not special either. I hope a connoisseur or colleague appears on this topic. Lopatov and bring clarity.

[GKS 2111]

TOC burns out even mice in the territory where they reach ..

[Piramidon]

Quote: GKS 2111

TOC burns out even mice in the territory where they reach ..

But why can't the same "Tornado" burn out if a warhead similar to that of TOS is installed on it? That's the question.

[Lopatov]

Quote: GKS 2111

CBT burns out

As far as I know, incendiary PCs were practically not used, only thermal bars.

[tlauicol]

less fuel - more filling - less range. more fuel - more range, less filling

[Piramidon]

In theory, such a large rocket, like that of the Hurricane, should fit a TOS warhead. Well, let the range decrease a little, but not to 6 km.

[tlauicol]

Hurricane has thermobaric BP

[Lopatov]

Quote: Tlauicol

Hurricane has thermobaric BP

Strictly speaking, no. Incendiary only

[tlauicol]

Quote: Spade

Quote: Tlauicol

Hurricane has thermobaric BP

Strictly speaking, no. Incendiary only

drank something?

[Lopatov]

It was never.
Only at the "Tornado".
That is, "Smerch", "Tornado-S" and "Uragan-1M"

[tlauicol]

Quote: Spade

It was never.
Only at the "Tornado".
That is, "Smerch", "Tornado-S" and "Uragan-1M"

in the sense of 300mm? Was Hurricane TB 220mm?

[Lopatov]

Quote: Tlauicol

in the sense of 300mm?

Yes.

Quote: Tlauicol

Was Hurricane TB 220mm?

No.
They write that there is still a volumetric detonating 9M51 "Quarantine". But we didn't even study it.

[Hagalaz]

As far as I know, the point here is the difference between the usual charge and the thermobaric charge. Thermobaric takes up more space from the total volume of the rocket. Accordingly, more weight and less space for rocket fuel.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Hagalaz

Thermobaric takes up more space from the total volume of the rocket

This doesn't matter. TB can even make a hand grenade, it’s not voluminous-detonating ammunition, where there are restrictions on the minimum volume.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Piramidon

I am not a specialist in this area and therefore I cannot understand what prevents combining the TOS warhead with MLRS missiles (Tornado, Smerch, Hurricane), which have an order of magnitude longer range?

For "Smerch" and "Tornado-S" there is a missile with a TB warhead. Accordingly, for Hurricane-1M too. For the "Gradov" and "Tornado-G" TB warheads for some reason they do not make, but there are incendiary ones.
For Hurricanes, RSs with incendiary warheads also exist.

Quote: Piramidon

And in general, what is the fundamental difference between TOC and MLRS?

Initially, as far as I know, they had to be able to work effectively with one or two missiles on point targets with half direct fire.
As far as I understand, they rejected this option, turning the TOC into a pure MLRS

[Piramidon]

Quote: Spade

Quote: Piramidon

I am not a specialist in this area and therefore I cannot understand what prevents combining the TOS warhead with MLRS missiles (Tornado, Smerch, Hurricane), which have an order of magnitude longer range?

For "Smerch" and "Tornado-S" there is a missile with a TB warhead. Accordingly, for Hurricane-1M too. For the "Gradov" and "Tornado-G" TB warheads for some reason they do not make, but there are incendiary ones.
For Hurricanes, RSs with incendiary warheads also exist.

Quote: Piramidon

And in general, what is the fundamental difference between TOC and MLRS?

Initially, as far as I know, they had to be able to work effectively with one or two missiles on point targets with half direct fire.
As far as I understand, they rejected this option, turning the TOC into a pure MLRS

Thanks for the detailed answer. Now, it seems, the "fog" has cleared.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Victor_B

I wonder how many versts it shoots?

New ammunition, infa slipped, flying twice as far ... although this is not enough. 12 km, very close to the front line. Kilometers 30-30 would be just right.

[Mountain shooter]

Not in armor, therefore, anti-partisan. The range is small, but on the roads it is thrown under its own power, and quickly. It is clear that "jamming" the nodes of resistance ... It is useless to dig in against such a system. And there is no need to call the aviation. What makes the process of burning out the infection cheaper ...

[D16]

Not in armor, which means counterguerrilla.

Is not a fact. If not on a tank chassis, then the range is still increased and it will be commensurate with at least the MLRS Grad. It is possible that they are switching to a more effective TT. I wonder what chassis they’ll put on. IMHO bulletproof booking will be in any way.

[K-612-O]

Here is a gift for the holiday

[Bar2]

I propose to continue the newly emerged tradition of calling our weapons diminutive names
-tos tosochka
plarb
tarkr tarkrochka
apple-apple
rzzo-rzzovochka
nursa nursa
urs ursochka
-rkka-rkkashechka
and so on, senility is still far away, but a start has been made.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Bar2

Marasmus is still far away, but a start has been made.

Noticeable ...

[rocket757]

Actually, for this purpose it was created in order to clean up and decontaminate the territory from harmful factors !!!
And then, for use against something ??? Well, who will say that it is not against harmful factors and applies !!!

[jonht]

CBT was indeed originally an armament of the radio and chemical defense forces. The machines were intended for volumetric disinfection of the area, in other words, for the survival of chemical and bacteriological factors of infection on the ground.

[rocket757]

Quote: jonht

for the survival of chemical and bacteriological factors of infection on the ground.

In, in, for the disinfection of the area ... from any "infection".

[Sayan]

Well, I don’t like the name "tosochka", better "Karabas-Barabas", because there used to be "Buratino")))), or at least "Basilio"

[Lord of the Sith]

Run in from all sides in Syria, now it is possible to arm in different versions)

[Grits]

I wonder what base this pepelats will be on? I think the best option is BAZ.

[Vadmir]

Here, the timing associated with the holiday dates is annoying me. Now for May 9, then for the New Year.
This is one of the worst Soviet traditions, then by November 7 or the next congress was driven. And as a result, the unnecessary rush to anyone, with the inevitable loss of quality.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Vadmir

one of the worst Soviet traditions, then by November 7 or the next congress was driven. And as a result, the unnecessary rush,

Everything is so, but not so. In the light of recent events and taking into account a different approach to the production of products, the manufacturing fraternity is taught not to engage in storming. The new production policy says: even later, but with a 2% quality guarantee. Moreover, this applies not only to the military-industrial complex, but also to the civil sector. An example - quite recently, our governor Beglov was not afraid to take responsibility, and on Day X (ribbon, champagne, etc.) he took and slowed down the opening of three metro stations of the "Kupchinsky" radius at once. This is because the metro buildings did not give one hundred percent guarantee of the safe operation of the entire section. The stations were opened later, already without "noise and dust", but with a guarantee, and this is the most important thing. So it is with TOS-XNUMX: if something goes wrong, then they will slightly move to the right and that's it. The most serious consequences of such a step will be ... here on the forum, when the local vile-tusovka begins to come to tears, snot on the "ruined military-industrial complex". Although, what could go wrong there? The system itself has been tested for years, and the wheeled chassis - this is why the specifics of various turboprop engines are different, and far from all tracked BTs have advantages.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Quote: bouncyhunter

gives hope for a longer range.

In fact, there have already been talks about increasing the range of the TOC system to 8-10 km ... but I think not this time! There were reports in connection with the development of "Toosochka", about new fuses for rockets, allowing to undermine eres at the height programmed before launch ...

I am not a specialist in such weapons, and therefore I have doubts about the advisability of undermining such shells at a height, even if programmed. The force of a shock wave during an aerial explosion damps much faster than a ground-based explosion. At least due to the free movement of the shock wave, not in the hemisphere. but in the full scope. And set fire there, not anyone. Unless a swarm of butterflies.

[infantryman2020]

With the transition to a wheelbase, the TOS finally turns into a model of MLRS, which does not fundamentally differ from the already existing wild variety zoo of domestic MLRS. TOS loses its "zest": the ability to accompany heavy tracked vehicles everywhere (since the wheels) and fire, if necessary, direct and semi-direct aiming (since the armor protection will not be the same).
That is, the diversity of the fleet of these systems is further increased.
The consequences are well known - an even greater increase in the cost of training, maintenance, logistics, etc. etc.
An alternative rational solution is well-known - RS with a similar warhead for existing MLRS.
Unjustified different sizes and unification - the scourge of our modern army.