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Swedish grenade launcher Carl-Gustaf M4 will receive high-precision ammunition

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Swedish grenade launcher Carl-Gustaf M4 will receive high-precision ammunition

The Swedish Carl-Gustaf hand grenade launcher will soon receive high-precision ammunition. According to Jane's, the first stage of guided munition tests for this grenade launcher was completed successfully.


The American company Raytheon and the Swedish Saab Dynamics developed and conducted the first stage of testing guided munitions for the Carl-Gustaf hand grenade launcher. The next stage, which includes demonstration shows, is planned to be held next spring.

According to the developers, the new guided munition is designed for grenade launchers of the latest M4 and M3E1 - the American version of the Swedish weapons. It is equipped with laser and inertial guidance systems and can be used for firing at targets at distances from 30 meters to 2 kilometers. The circular probable deviation for the ammunition is less than 1 meters. It is argued that a new guidance system is already being developed that will allow you to hit targets in the "fired - forgot" mode.

The shot is located in a cylindrical container, with which it charges in Carl-Gustaf. The mass of the shot is 6,8 kilograms. It can be used to hit targets of various types, including lightly armored vehicles and concrete structures.

The Carl Gustaf grenade launcher was created by the Swedish engineer Siegfried Axelson on the basis of the Carl Gustaf Pvg m / 42 anti-tank gun. The weapon is designed to destroy armored targets, manpower and enemy fire positions, as well as creating smoke screens and lighting the area. For seven decades, four modifications have been created (M1, M2, M3 and M4), the last of which was presented in 2014 and has a mass less than 7 kg (the first one weighed more than 16 kg). Due to the variety of 84-mm ammunition, Carl Gustaf is a multifunctional combat weapon and is in service with 45 armies around the world.

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  1. rocket757
    rocket757 12 November 2019 13: 34
    +9
    Weapons are becoming "smarter" and more expensive ... such things, but this cannot be changed.
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 12 November 2019 13: 44
      -2
      Vit hi
      Everything costs money. Therefore, our little crooks do not save on themselves. So much so that the rest - the defense industry, medicine, education, pensions and so on - does not remain.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 12 November 2019 14: 01
        +2
        Alexey soldier
        Quote: lexus
        Everything costs money. Therefore, our little crooks do not save on themselves.

        That's right ... to hear "there is no money, but you hold on" - it was very fucking ...
        If the very, very top listened to how the country no longer reacts to the deeds and statements of those many who seem to be in their "cage", but simply even to their FACES, the space around them would be drastically empty and the armchairs of soft, warm, free a lot of the past!
        Alas and ah .... we do not have what we have, but we ......
        Who said that there are no irreplaceable ones?
        And who, as it were, refutes him now?
    2. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 12 November 2019 13: 45
      +4
      The "shield" grows smarter - the "sword" grows smarter. I think that the high-precision ammunition for the Swedish shaitan-pipe will be in every way cheaper than an anti-tank missile for the same purpose. Although ... If mattresses are involved in the development, it's not at all a fact ... lol
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 12 November 2019 13: 54
        +4
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        any cheaper anti-tank missiles

        not the fact that he will be able to inflict serious damage to a well-protected equipment. Not only size matters, but also the degree of development of the technical characteristics of the ammunition ... and this is not a small amount of money, so far no one has been able to get around this.
        Simple and effective, this is about a nail in the sole, until the insole, the sole was used, into which it was simply NOT possible to drive the nail ANYWHERE!
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 12 November 2019 13: 58
          +3
          Quote: rocket757
          and this is not small money

          So here I am about the same! drinks
    3. iConst
      iConst 12 November 2019 14: 28
      0
      Quote: rocket757
      Weapons are becoming "smarter" and more expensive ... such things, but this cannot be changed.

      If the price of one, though accurate shot, approaches the salvo of the "old" "Grad", then ... isn't it easier to cover it with hail? The psychological effect will be more serious. :)
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 12 November 2019 14: 37
        +3
        Quote: iConst
        If the price of one, though accurate shot, approaches the salvo of the "old" "Grad", then ... isn't it easier to cover it with hail? The psychological effect will be more serious. :)

        So we upgrade the city in the tornado and release the pinocchio!
        These are the Swedes, you will not be spoiled with them !!! Immediately "frantic Gretta" will begin to come and .... to someone in a dream, but to someone in NATURE! Br-r-r.
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 12 November 2019 14: 40
          +2
          Quote: rocket757
          Immediately "frantic Gretta" will begin to come and .... to someone in a dream, but to someone in NATURE! Brrr

          Vit, and what if some thrill-seeker is just waiting for this ??? wassat
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 12 November 2019 14: 46
            +2
            Quote: bouncyhunter
            Vit, and what if some thrill-seeker is just waiting for this ???

            They, of course, do not have it with us ... but still, it’s not completely summer and .... how to put it, it’s tolerant, but it’s, WITH Oddities!
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 12 November 2019 14: 49
              +3
              Quote: rocket757
              how to express it, tolerantly, but is, WITH Oddities!

              Do not be tolerant (pah!), Better diplomatically. A specific poorly informed teenager. yes
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 12 November 2019 14: 53
                +1
                Quote: bouncyhunter
                Do not be tolerant (pah!), Better diplomatically. A specific poorly informed teenager.

                Of course, everything, everything, cannot be attributed to hormones .... there is, there is someone nearby, not at all - R - ak, but a big St. - OL - very good!
                1. bouncyhunter
                  bouncyhunter 12 November 2019 14: 55
                  +3
                  GDP correctly said that using children for political purposes is low. I would add many epithets to these words, but censorship will not miss ... feel
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 12 November 2019 15: 05
                    +1
                    Quote: bouncyhunter
                    GDP correctly said that using children for political purposes is low. I would add many epithets to these words, but censorship will not miss ...

                    Everything will become known over time.
                    Let's keep the epithets ... they don't give bonuses for this, but it's easy to get into the "corner". he himself recently "defended the term", on suspicion only. It happens, but you don't want to, the limit has been exhausted.
        2. iConst
          iConst 12 November 2019 14: 44
          +1
          Quote: rocket757
          Immediately "frantic Gretta" will begin to come and .... to someone in a dream, and to someone in NATURE!

          Holy-holy ...! laughing good
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 12 November 2019 14: 49
            +1
            Quote: iConst
            Holy-holy ...!

            Had to see frantic green .... this is at least brrrr am
            1. iConst
              iConst 12 November 2019 15: 00
              +1
              Quote: rocket757
              Quote: iConst
              Holy-holy ...!

              Had to see frantic green .... this is at least brrrr am

              It's funny that (just not Alzheimer) in the late 70s, this movement really advocated ecology. And when they were noticed, the big uncles realized - why not use it for competitive purposes.

              as one oligarch acquaintance of mine used to say - "you need not tickle money with money, you need to jam it!" wassat
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 12 November 2019 15: 08
                +1
                Quote: iConst
                in the late 70s, this movement really advocated ecology.

                Here's the garlic. We also have enough cases that they need to keep under control, too!
                But after all, they are not used for environmental reasons. Big business, big grandmas at stake .... the game is not fair, it happens very often!
    4. svp67
      svp67 12 November 2019 15: 47
      +3
      Quote: rocket757
      Weapons are becoming "smarter" and more expensive ... such things, but this cannot be changed.

      And, what a completely sensible idea to have a SINGLE PU for conventional rocket-propelled grenades and for ATGM, similar to the "Javelin" or "Spike"
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 12 November 2019 16: 09
        +1
        Quote: svp67
        it’s a perfectly sensible idea to have a SINGLE PU for conventional rocket-propelled grenades and for ATGMs,

        If it fits into the dimensions and the effectiveness in the implementation of the tasks provided is not a question.
        But still, lightweight, for mobile infantry and specialists, you have to do ... weight and dimensions matter.
    5. iouris
      iouris 13 November 2019 15: 33
      0
      Quote: rocket757
      Weapons become "smarter" and more expensive ... such things,

      The main requirement for weapons is combat effectiveness not lower than the specified one. Do you seriously believe that a weapon has a mind besides a price?
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 13 November 2019 16: 18
        0
        In quotation marks the word "smarter" why is it taken?
        They don’t make weapons, they don’t adopt them without several mandatory conditions, such as efficiency, for example! Why discuss the obvious, especially since we cannot verify, confirm / refute in any way.
  2. About 2
    About 2 12 November 2019 13: 42
    +3
    Karl Gustav is a good car and it is popular in many special units around the world. Sometime in the mid-90s, one of the issues of the Soldier of fortune magazine described the use of these weapons in one of the cities of India against the Afghan mujahideen who had settled in the house and despite the fact that they sat behind a brick wall they finished with one high-explosive type shot.
  3. parkello
    parkello 12 November 2019 13: 43
    +3
    actually Carl Gustav is not a grenade launcher, but a recoilless rifle (bazooka), moreover, a rifled recourse and on the other hand it’s a good bazooka. we have such. its huge plus is that it can be used from the windows of buildings or basements when tanks advance and already in the city. This is a nightmare of any tanker.
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 12 November 2019 14: 12
      +4
      Quote: parkello
      in fact, Karl Gustav is not a grenade launcher, but a recoilless rifle (bazooka), moreover, a rifled one and on the other hand it is a good bazooka.

      Hmmm ... what you wrote is called "compote"! I agree with you that by the type (scheme) of weapons, "K. Gustav" can be attributed to recoilless (dynamo-reactive ...) weapons. But rocket-propelled grenades were used in the bazooka (!) And for that this "class" of weapons was at one time called "rocket-propelled guns"! The principle of operation of the bazooka rocket grenade is the same as that of the RPG-18 "Fly" or the RPG-29 "Vampire" ...
      1. parkello
        parkello 12 November 2019 14: 30
        0
        Hmmm ... what you wrote is called "compote" I do not understand, but you wanted borsch? request
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 12 November 2019 15: 24
          +2
          Shouldn't you go ... to cooking ..., otherwise you are probably lost here? I had it written: "compote" (not compote!); That is, in the sense, "mixture"! And what did you mix, I explained!
          1. parkello
            parkello 12 November 2019 15: 28
            0
            Vladimir, what should I do, I will decide for myself. and in the sense of "compote" differs from compote only in quotes. the fact that Carl Gustav is not a grantmaker is for sure. but what did you mean that the principle of its operation is the same as that of a grater gun .. sorry, the tractor and the machine also have a lot in common, the internal combustion engine, wheels, cab, steering wheel .. pedals .. only one is a tractor, and the other is a car. try to tax on a tractor .. why not a car? or plowing in a taxi ... but about compotes and jams, look at the cooks ... maybe they will offer you something else ...
    2. Lexus
      Lexus 12 November 2019 14: 23
      -10
      its huge plus is that it can be used from the windows of buildings or basements

      Small clarification. Pay attention to the flame at startup. Karl Gustav is a purely rocket-propelled grenade launcher. You cannot use it from the premises in its current form. If you add a counter-mass of saline, as in AT-4CS, then yes. You can shoot from RPG-7 from the premises, only the distance to the wall is at least 3 meters and the internal doors must be open so as not to fly out with the grenade.
      1. tlauicol
        tlauicol 12 November 2019 14: 37
        +2

        no. they immediately took care to shoot it from the premises. now we thought about homing
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 12 November 2019 14: 51
          -7
          Yes, the starting accelerator was installed. In order not to complicate the main taxiway with the additional mode. But the flames from behind did not go anywhere. This is clearly seen in the video in the article. For comparison, the so-called "soft" launches of "Javelin".
          1. tlauicol
            tlauicol 12 November 2019 14: 58
            0
            Javelin also has a flame - it’s just a slow-motion shot, and nlaw has a flame. but not the same as

            Carla's new ammo is a soft shot
      2. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 12 November 2019 14: 56
        +2
        Quote: lexus
        You can shoot from RPG-7 from the premises, only the distance to the wall is at least 3 meters and the internal doors must be open so as not to fly out with the grenade

        Pedivikia? I would not ... even with the "internal doors" open (it is not clear where) laughing
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 12 November 2019 15: 01
          -9
          Pedivicia?

          Knowledge of the laws of physics and experience.
          I would not ... even with the "internal doors" open (it is not clear where)

          In those who are "in the tank". And, obviously, after the explosion.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 12 November 2019 15: 03
            0
            Quote: lexus
            Knowledge of the laws of physics

            I have more of it.

            Quote: lexus
            and experience

            Have you tried to shoot yourself? wassat

            Quote: lexus
            Among those who are "in the tank"

            If this is for me, I'm not in the tank at the moment. Although I spent some time there, yes.
          2. Russia
            Russia 12 November 2019 15: 11
            +2
            Quote: lexus
            Pedivicia?

            Knowledge of the laws of physics and experience.
            I would not ... even with the "internal doors" open (it is not clear where)

            In those who are "in the tank". And, obviously, after the explosion.

            My friend, knowledge of the laws of physics, with the author on "H", does not cancel the bumps and blue eyes in the area of ​​the pub, there are all physicists, and in the pubs there are chemists. wink
      3. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 12 November 2019 15: 16
        +5
        Quote: lexus
        Karl Gustav is a purely rocket-propelled grenade launcher.

        Well, if we continue to talk about "purity", then Carl Gustav is a dynamo-rocket launcher ... (or "light recoilless weapon" ...).
        Quote: lexus
        You cannot use it from the premises in its current form

        I do not argue...
        Quote: lexus
        You can shoot from RPG-7 from rooms, only the distance to the wall is at least 3 meters and the internal doors must be open so that it does not fly out with the grenade

        Well, if you don’t remember about the doors, then somewhere 4-5 m should be ...
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 12 November 2019 15: 22
          -6
          Well, if you don’t remember about the doors, then somewhere 4-5 m should be ...

          Thank! But the cat dog does not believe. In principle, he didn’t read the article either; he doesn’t need this. He is here with his pack to instruct the cons. And I give meaning to his life.
          1. Russia
            Russia 12 November 2019 15: 30
            +3
            Quote: lexus
            But the cat dog does not believe.

            Lexus on the white horse of the winning marshal, actually a pervert. yes
        2. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 12 November 2019 15: 29
          0
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          somewhere 4-5 m should be ...

          In the room 2.5 X 6, for example ... good luck, I’ll go to the side myself ...

          Quote: lexus
          cat dog does not believe

          Quote: Anecdote, especially for Lochus
          “Why is the flounder flat?”
          “But because the whale, ahem, slept with her.”
          “Why does eye cancer bulge?”
          - But because he saw it!

          Highlighted - definitely not about you. Pedivikia rules good
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 12 November 2019 16: 39
            +1
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            In the room 2.5 X 6, for example ... good luck, I’ll go to the side myself ...

            There was an article in the internet where the author gave "simple estimates (calculations)" of the premises from which one can shoot from the RPG-7 at the request of the author ... (like, they tried ... they shot ...). Only, that's bad luck ... I forgot these calculations! I remember that there were mentioned these "at least 4-5 m behind the back" ... If I find a "little material", then I will "drag it"!
      4. parkello
        parkello 12 November 2019 16: 02
        0
        I had 2 of these in my company. their tasks at the general briefing were explained as follows. the grantometer can’t shoot from the basement or the apartment’s window, but Karl Gustav can .. considering that he is a breech-loading and uses a not quite real grenade. but rather a unitary ammunition. here you’ll shoot from an RPG from the basement and you will fly away after the grenade. and you can shoot from it from indoors.
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 12 November 2019 16: 58
          +2
          Quote: parkello
          Karl Gustav .. Considering that he is a breech-loading and uses a not quite real grenade. But rather a unitary ammunition. here you’ll shoot from an RPG from the basement and you will fly away after the grenade. and you can shoot from it from indoors.

          The "K. Gustav" and the RPG-7 have similar principles of firing, if we do not take into account that the RPG-7 uses over-caliber ammunition, and Carl Gustav-caliber ... Both the Swedish grenade launcher and the RPG-7 first "fire "propelling (expelling) powder charges that eject ammunition from the barrel of a weapon ... Carl Gustav can have" active "shots, and" active-reactive "..., where, when the ammunition is removed at a certain distance from the shooter, it is triggered jet accelerator. The RPG-7 mainly has an "active-reactive" shot, but there is also an "active" 40-mm ... The predecessor of the RPG-7 RPG-2 grenade launcher has an "active" 80-mm shot. Who is "where flies away" and who "remains" ... what request
  4. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 12 November 2019 13: 46
    +1
    The Smoking Room is alive! How old is this veteran? Once I spoke with the Portuguese, the former in the army, the operator of this RPG. So he declared that this is the best weapon that he held in his hands and shook his head in dismay, having learned that I was a former tanker ...
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 12 November 2019 14: 47
      +5
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      How old is this veteran?

      Very little.
      From the initial sample, only the name remains.
      Even the material of the "pipe" was changed four times.
  5. Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 12 November 2019 13: 46
    +1
    High-precision ammunition in grenade launchers has long been asking. The price of the matter apparently holds back. But the prospects are huge.
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 12 November 2019 14: 17
      +4
      Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
      High-precision ammunition in grenade launchers has long been obvious.

      There was once infa from "Basalt" that they decided to develop 105-mm self-aiming ammunition for grenade launchers; but something then "silence reigned" ... request
  6. Operator
    Operator 12 November 2019 14: 03
    +3
    If there is a guided rocket-propelled grenade, then in fig it has a reusable rocket-propelled grenade launcher, especially in the form factor of a dynamo-jet gun with a massive launch tube designed for increased propellant charge pressure?

    For the URG, a multiply lighter disposable organoplastic TPK without a metal threaded insert as in "Carl Gustav" is quite sufficient.
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 12 November 2019 15: 15
      +2
      Quote: Operator
      For the URG, a multiply lighter disposable organoplastic TPK without a metal threaded insert as in "Carl Gustav" is quite sufficient.

      The sighting system is removable and in order. The result is a light ATGM. Too light to defeat MBT, but expensive to use on everything in a row on the battlefield ... For RPG-7 there is ammunition of increased armor penetration with a large diameter grenade. And the rotation of his (ammunition) is not so fast.
      Here's a make manageable? But the cost ...
      1. Operator
        Operator 12 November 2019 15: 39
        +3
        A solid-state gyroscope (used in smartphones) + a laser radiation sensor + a high-temperature battery + an electroactive polymer tail unit will cost within 100 bucks.
      2. garri-lin
        garri-lin 12 November 2019 19: 07
        +1
        Yes, do not care the cost. A shot from the LGSN for RPG7 has been asking for about 10 years. And the scope is well thought out and correctly designed. You want with old shots a bullet from the excavated dugout of the times taking the Amin’s palace. And you want lodges on a ray under a tower, as grandfathers taught.
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 12 November 2019 15: 35
      +2
      Quote: Operator
      If there is a guided rocket-propelled grenade, then in fig it has a reusable grenade launcher, especially in the form factor of a dynamo-jet gun with a massive launch tube,

      It's about the versatility of the use of weapons ... that is, the possibility, as before, to use an "extensive range" of shots ... (both expensive guided and cheap unguided ... and armor-piercing, and high-explosive fragmentation, and incendiary .. . yes even grapeshot!))
      1. Operator
        Operator 12 November 2019 15: 44
        +3
        The fee for this approach will be the double weight of the launch tube plus the additional weight of the transport containers of guided rocket-propelled grenades - in general, everything that is lugged on the hump of an infantryman.
        1. tlauicol
          tlauicol 12 November 2019 17: 06
          -1
          The tube itself is easier for them from year to year, and to charge with a new rocket is not so difficult for firing from bipods. Heavier separately pturs with a tripod and all the junk to carry and a grenade launcher in addition to drag
  7. Professor
    Professor 12 November 2019 14: 09
    +2
    The circular probable deviation for the ammunition is less than 1 meters.

    Polopatov: "KVO 5 meters means that 100% ( fool ) min will fall into a circle with a diameter of 40 meters." wassat During the KVO in 1, the path of 100% will fall into a circle with a diameter of 8 m. Khan will not be greeted by the enemy infantry and equipment.

    Not Polopatov, but normal: the system will turn out interesting. 3 generation ATGM accuracy at a lower price.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 12 November 2019 14: 51
      +5
      Quote: Professor
      With a KVO in 1 m Polopatov, 100% will fall into a circle with a diameter of 8 m

      Exactly.
      Only not 8, but less than 8 meters.
      Learn to read in Russian.

      Quote: Professor
      3rd generation ATGM at a lower price.

      Gee .....
      Do you think "Helfair" with exactly the same control system is much worse?
      A link to the fact that they have a KVO greater than 1 meters.
      Or are you sure that "some" Cornet "has worse accuracy?
      A link to the fact that they have a KVO more than 1 meters.

      And yes, a link to the fact that with a KVO of less than one meter, at least one ammunition will fly off a circle with a diameter of 8 meters during regular operation of the control system.
      And you can’t in any way confirm your conclusions with sources that the accuracy of the WTO does not obey the coordinate law of defeat
      1. Professor
        Professor 12 November 2019 16: 25
        +2
        Quote: Spade
        Exactly.
        Only not 8, but less than 8 meters.
        Learn to read in Russian.

        Bravo!!!!!!!!!!!!! good
        Set off to the ignoramuses. 100% will fall VVVVVV circle less than 8 meters. None will fly. Shnobel Prize to Shovel. wassat

        Quote: Spade
        Gee .....
        Do you think "Helfair" with exactly the same control system is much worse?
        A link to the fact that they have a KVO greater than 1 meters.
        Or are you sure that "some" Cornet "has worse accuracy?
        A link to the fact that they have a KVO more than 1 meters.

        Does Helfer have a KVO? Only in your fantasies. The developer does not mention it. He probably taught the theory of probability. Unlike you who have "Everything is subject to the normal law." fool

        Quote: Spade
        And yes, a link to the fact that with a KVO of less than one meter, at least one ammunition will fly off a circle with a diameter of 8 meters during regular operation of the control system.

        Hardware, dear. Here's the formula. Count it. Who am I writing this to? You have an asymptote crossing the axis and so you get 100% with Normal Distribution. In educated people, the asymptote does not cross the axis to which it approaches. recourse



        Quote: Spade
        And you can’t in any way confirm your conclusions with sources that the accuracy of the WTO does not obey the coordinate law of defeat

        Coordinate law? You are a liar. I have never mentioned this term.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 12 November 2019 16: 41
          0
          Quote: Professor
          Does Helfer have a QUO? Only in your fantasies. The developer does not mention it.

          A link to the fact that "Helfaer" has "no KVO" (Gee ..... Shnobel Prize to Professor (s))



          Quote: Professor
          Materiel, dear. Here is the formula for you.

          I do not need a formula.
          I need a link confirming your words.
          Looks like her nket?
          Drain


          Quote: Professor
          Coordinate law? You are a liar. I have never mentioned this term.

          Sure. I used it. And for this you absolutely unfoundedly called me "ignorant"
          I am hinting that KVO is a product of approximating the coordinate law of defeat by a stepwise one. Like
          Therefore, a reference to the fact that I am wrong, and the accuracy of the WTO does not obey the coordinate law of defeat.

          I do not need "water", provide links confirming your philosophizing. Otherwise, you only demand it from others, considering yourself infallible. Let's see.
          1. Professor
            Professor 12 November 2019 20: 24
            +1
            Quote: Spade
            A link to the fact that "Helfaer" has "no KVO" (Gee ..... Shnobel Prize to Professor (s))

            Helfire link no Quo? Yes you are fading day by day. Maybe another link that Helfire no hooves and tail? You mentioned Helfaer in the context of the CWO. don’t even bother to look for such an indicator in helfire. You sat in a puddle and fatly troll. Normally.

            Quote: Spade
            I do not need a formula.
            I need a link confirming your words.
            Looks like her nket?
            Drain

            I gave you the formula. Substitute your CVO and precipitate. After all, in your asymptote the axis crosses which it approaches. It doesn’t cross in anyone, but in your intersects.

            Quote: Spade
            Sure. I used it. And for this you absolutely unfoundedly called me "ignorant"
            I am hinting that KVO is a product of approximating the coordinate law of defeat by a stepwise one. Like
            Therefore, a reference to the fact that I am wrong, and the accuracy of the WTO does not obey the coordinate law of defeat.

            I do not need "water", provide links confirming your philosophizing. Otherwise, you only demand it from others, considering yourself infallible. Let's see.

            You are a liar. I never uttered words about coordinate laws, I never made any conclusions about coordinate laws, I never mentioned those.


            PS
            You are poorly educated. You have one in the universe asymptote crosses the axis to which it approaches and you have one in the universe the probability of an event described by Gauss's law is 100%. This elementary knowledge was given in any higher educational institution of the USSR. The school did not give ensigns. Is this not what explains your: "Everything is subject to the normal law." A rhetorical question laughing
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 12 November 2019 20: 56
              0
              In short, not a single link. Cool. You are as loyal to yourself as you are picky to others.
              So you cannot confirm your words with anything.

              Drain
              Quote: Professor
              You are a liar. I never said a word about coordinate laws

              You also do not know how to read. I repeat for those for whom Russian is not native. I wrote about the coordinate law of the situation. And it is he who is the basis for such characteristics as CEP, RMD and the like.
              You, damn it, do not even know the basics.
              All in the style of "show me the entrance to the submarine, and I'll find a thousand flaws there."

              Horror ....

              Quote: Professor
              I gave you the formula.

              I do not need a formula, I need links with which you must confirm your statements.

              There are no links yet. And with a high probability it won't. "From the whole company, only the foreman walked in step"
              Apparently, an alternative probability theory for a democratic society is not particularly common 8)))))))))))))))
              1. Professor
                Professor 12 November 2019 21: 01
                -1
                Quote: Spade
                In short, not a single link. Cool. You are as loyal to yourself as you are picky to others.
                So you cannot confirm your words with anything.

                I do not feed the trolls, but only feed them.

                Quote: Spade
                You also do not know how to read. I repeat for those for whom Russian is not native. I wrote about the coordinate law of the situation. And it is he who is the basis for such characteristics as CEP, RMD and the like.
                You, damn it, do not even know the basics.
                All in the style of "show me the entrance to the submarine, and I'll find a thousand flaws there."

                Horror ....

                You are a liar, there were streets in a lie and now wriggle.

                Quote: Spade
                I do not need a formula, I need links with which you must confirm your statements.

                There are no links yet. And with a high probability it won't. "From the whole company, only the foreman walked in step"
                Apparently, an alternative probability theory for a democratic society is not particularly common 8)))))))))))))))

                Blah blah blah. Lopataov: "Everything obeys the normal law." Sit down. Two!!! wassat
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 12 November 2019 21: 03
                  0
                  I do not see links.
                  Only an urgent desire to discuss me.
                  As required.
                  Drain
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 12 November 2019 21: 08
                    -1
                    Quote: Spade
                    I do not see links.
                    Only an urgent desire to discuss me.
                    As required.
                    Drain

                    Blown off Shovels. I don’t see the link that the manufacturer of Helfire mentions KVO. I did not see the link that the manufacturer of Excalibur mentions the CVO. BUT I saw Lopatov's pearls about 100% of the shells will fall in a circle less than 40 m with a quo in 5 m. Sit down two. Come retake in the fall. Today I will not feed. tongue
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 13 November 2019 10: 49
                      +1
                      Quote: Professor
                      Blown off Shovels.

                      "Lopatov was blown away, began to do as I do" laughing

                      What, do not like it? I am now with you only in this way.

                      WHERE LINKS ???

                      Will you be responsible for your own words?
                      At first they wrote a complete game, and now in the bushes? Tried to troll, and now in a puddle?
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 13 November 2019 12: 18
                        -2
                        Quote: Spade
                        "Lopatov was blown away, began to do as I do"

                        What, do not like it? I am now with you only in this way.

                        WHERE LINKS ???

                        Links to the fact that there is NO armament. There will be no links to references to the fact that there are no CWS or horns or hooves. This time.
                        I always confirm my words with links. Unlike you. These are two.
                        You are poorly educated. You do not have basic basic knowledge. These are three.

                        So. Where are the links to the fact that KVO has anything to do with Helfire? Where is the manufacturer's CVO characteristic mentioned? There is none of them. You sat down in a puddle again. Sit down two. wassat

                        Quote: Spade
                        At first they wrote a complete game, and now in the bushes? Tried to troll, and now in a puddle?

                        In the area of ​​trolling, you have no equal. For this, as we see education is not necessary.

                        PS
                        100% of the shells will fall in a circle of less than 40 m with a quo in 5 m lol
                      2. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 13 November 2019 12: 24
                        +1
                        Quote: Professor
                        Links to what is NOT

                        You demand these from me all the time. So look for links to confirm your allegations.
                        And not like the last time you managed to begin to refute the information on the images you posted and posted on the links that you cited.

                        WHERE LINKS !!!!
                      3. Professor
                        Professor 13 November 2019 12: 49
                        0
                        Quote: Spade
                        You demand these from me all the time. So look for links to confirm your allegations.

                        I demand links to your fantasies that supposedly Yes in your opinion. You just troll demanding nonexistent links to something no. For example, the fact that the tank does not have a torpedo tube. Typical fat troll.

                        Quote: Spade
                        And not like the last time you managed to begin to refute the information on the images you posted and posted on the links that you cited.

                        You lie again. I did not provide links. I drew a picture. And you merged without being able to provide a link to the source of information.

                        Quote: Spade
                        WHERE LINKS !!!!

                        And really, Lopatov. Where are the links to your fantasies? Where is the link to Lockheed and QUO Helfire? Should I look for you again?
                      4. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 13 November 2019 12: 57
                        +1
                        Quote: Professor
                        I need links

                        I do not care what you do so as not to be responsible for your words. Enough of this spin in the pan

                        WHERE LINKS CONFIRMING YOUR APPLICATIONS ???
                      5. Professor
                        Professor 13 November 2019 13: 35
                        -1
                        Quote: Spade
                        Quote: Professor
                        I need links

                        I do not care what you do so as not to be responsible for your words. Enough of this spin in the pan

                        WHERE LINKS CONFIRMING YOUR APPLICATIONS ???

                        My links will be right after yours. Demonstrate how to. wink
                      6. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 13 November 2019 13: 37
                        0
                        Quote: Professor
                        My links will be right after yours.

                        I first demanded that you confirm your words with links.
                        Your excuses are already getting ridiculous.
                        WHERE LINKS?
                      7. Professor
                        Professor 13 November 2019 13: 46
                        -1
                        Quote: Spade
                        Quote: Professor
                        My links will be right after yours.

                        I first demanded that you confirm your words with links.
                        Your excuses are already getting ridiculous.
                        WHERE LINKS?

                        You are a liar. Have you already shown links to Excalibur? I'm still waiting. The truth of the year has not yet passed. Wait for the links? The rhetorical question for the troll. wassat
                      8. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 13 November 2019 13: 52
                        0
                        Quote: Professor
                        You are a liar.

                        Once again I looked through all your 10 posts on this thread. There is a sea of ​​words about nothing. The transition to the individual is.
                        But there are no links confirming the statements in the post of November 12, 14:09.
                        Therefore, your "liar" in the absence of links is just an attempt to shift the conversation from an uncomfortable topic with insults.
                        Namely, the complete absence of arguments in favor of what was voiced in the first post

                        WHERE LINKS ???
                      9. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 13 November 2019 13: 56
                        0
                        Quote: Professor
                        Have you already shown links to Excalibur?

                        Yes. And you found this link yourself
                        But you answered me in the style "there are not square meters, but hectares, because this is not an area"

                        Now it's my turn.
                        WHERE LINKS ???
                      10. Professor
                        Professor 13 November 2019 14: 27
                        0
                        Quote: Spade
                        Quote: Professor
                        Have you already shown links to Excalibur?

                        Yes. And you found this link yourself
                        But you answered me in the style "there are not square meters, but hectares, because this is not an area"

                        Now it's my turn.
                        WHERE LINKS ???

                        You are a liar. There is no reference to KVO.
                      11. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 13 November 2019 15: 06
                        +1
                        Quote: Professor
                        You are a liar. There is no reference to KVO.

                        Again, an unjustified insult. I did not say that your link indicates the KVO. It says "radial miss distance" RMD. The same product of the approximation of the coordinate law of lesions by the stepwise, as well as CEP, just the percentages are different. Not 50% but 90% hits

                        But some people pretend not to understand this. And hectares are not a measure of area

                        WHERE LINKS ???
                      12. Professor
                        Professor 13 November 2019 16: 31
                        0
                        Quote: Spade
                        Again, an unjustified insult. I did not say that your link indicates the KVO. It says "radial miss distance" RMD. The same product of the approximation of the coordinate law of lesions by the stepwise, as well as CEP, just the percentages are different. Not 50% but 90% hits

                        You are a liar. Quo in English is CEP. Where is it in the link? Quo?
                      13. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 14 November 2019 11: 16
                        0
                        Quote: Professor
                        You are a liar. Quo in English is CEP. Where is it in the link? Quo?

                        And here again ...
                        After all, you yourself realize that you are doing literacy in its purest form
                        For, as the "illiterate" developers of "Excalibur"



                        That is, it does not matter what is indicated by reference, CEP or RMD

                        However, you keep shouting hysterically "Liar, liar, liar, there are not square meters, there are hectares, so this is not an area ...."

                        Not good...
                        After all, insults do not change reality ....

                        Incidentally, WHERE LINKS ??? Will you confirm your reasoning with something?
                      14. Professor
                        Professor 14 November 2019 11: 54
                        -2
                        Quote: Spade
                        Quote: Professor
                        You are a liar. Quo in English is CEP. Where is it in the link? Quo?

                        And here again ...
                        After all, you yourself realize that you are doing literacy in its purest form
                        For, as the "illiterate" developers of "Excalibur"



                        That is, it does not matter what is indicated by reference, CEP or RMD

                        However, you keep shouting hysterically "Liar, liar, liar, there are not square meters, there are hectares, so this is not an area ...."

                        Not good...
                        After all, insults do not change reality ....

                        Incidentally, WHERE LINKS ??? Will you confirm your reasoning with something?

                        I looked through all my eyes. Maybe show the arrow where it says Zip code (QUO)?
                      15. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 14 November 2019 12: 47
                        +1
                        Quote: Professor
                        I looked through all my eyes. Maybe show the arrow where it says CEP

                        8)))))
                        "Not square meters, but hectares, it does not mean area."
                        You used to be more inventive in evading the facts.
                        WHERE LINKS ???
                      16. Professor
                        Professor 14 November 2019 13: 38
                        -2
                        I looked through all my eyes. Maybe show the arrow where it says CEP (QUO)?
                      17. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 14 November 2019 13: 47
                        0
                        Quote: Professor
                        I looked through all my eyes. Maybe show the arrow where it says CEP (QUO)?

                        For the eleventh time, RMD is written there.
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                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 13 November 2019 10: 44
                      +1
                      Quote: Town Hall
                      You are again in the role of a whipping boy, which is congenial to you. Or is masochism scientifically. To give a link?

                      Again, you prefer to immediately turn to the individual, not bothering with arguments on the subject of the dispute ..
                      For you personally:
                    2. Professor
                      Professor 13 November 2019 12: 32
                      -1
                      Quote: Town Hall
                      You are again in the role of a whipping boy, which is congenial to you. Or is masochism scientifically. To give a link?

                      Don't give. Lopatov is not a reader, Lopatov is a writer. He does not read the material on the links. Checked. Immediately goes into childhood and starts trolling like "prove it was NOT a drone" or like "show that the projectile manufacturer indicates that they DO NOT have a nuclear engine installed". Don't waste your time on it. He has "Everything is subject to the Normal Law." Stupid bourgeois in order to check whether the error is distributed according to the so-called. The normal law is carried out by graphic tests:
                      • QQ probability plots
                      • Cumulative frequency (PP) plots

                      Statistical tests:
                      • W / S test
                      • Jarque-Bera test
                      • Shapiro-Wilks test
                      • Kolmogorov-Smirnov test
                      • D'Agostino test

                      And with Lopatov, "Everything obeys the normal law."
                      1. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 13 November 2019 12: 59
                        0
                        Quote: Professor
                        Do not give. Lopatov is not a reader, Lopatov is a writer

                        In the absence of arguments, you immediately begin to pour mud on your opponent

                        WHERE LINKS ????
                      2. Professor
                        Professor 13 November 2019 13: 35
                        0
                        Normal obeys everything. laughing
                        Andrei Nikolaevich Kolmogorov and Nikolai Vasilyevich Smirnov turn over in graves.
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                      4. Professor
                        Professor 13 November 2019 14: 29
                        0
                        Quote: Spade
                        WHERE LINKS ????

                        Looped? Reboot. Links right after you. I’m waiting and I won’t feed you today.
                      5. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 13 November 2019 15: 12
                        0
                        Quote: Professor
                        Looped?

                        No, I'm just trying unsuccessfully to get you to prove your allegations.

                        Quote: Professor
                        Links right after you

                        Once again, you wrote the first post in which you mentioned me for some reason.
                        I indicated that these statements needed confirmation and required references. Which you are unable to provide

                        Your post - your allegations - your evidence.
                        WHERE LINKS ???
                      6. Professor
                        Professor 13 November 2019 16: 30
                        0
                        Quote: Spade
                        Once again, you wrote the first post in which you mentioned me for some reason.
                        I indicated that these statements needed confirmation and required references. Which you are unable to provide

                        Links where "Everything obeys the Normal law" or that with Normal distribution there can be 100% of the results in a finite segment? Which of your pearls? Be specific.
                      7. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 14 November 2019 11: 42
                        0
                        Quote: Professor
                        Links where "Everything obeys the Normal law" or that with Normal distribution there can be 100% of the results in a finite segment? Which of your pearls? Be specific.

                        Blah blah blah...
                        That is, to confirm the stream of consciousness that you issued in your first post on this thread, you are not collecting fundamentally.
                        Drain in its purest form.
                        The attempt to troll ended for you sitting in a deep puddle. With what I congratulate.
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                      9. Professor
                        Professor 14 November 2019 12: 06
                        -1
                        Quote: Spade
                        Quote: Professor
                        Links where "Everything obeys the Normal law" or that with Normal distribution there can be 100% of the results in a finite segment? Which of your pearls? Be specific.

                        Blah blah blah...
                        That is, to confirm the stream of consciousness that you issued in your first post on this thread, you are not collecting fundamentally.
                        Drain in its purest form.
                        The attempt to troll ended for you sitting in a deep puddle. With what I congratulate.

                        "Do you hait songs? I have them." wassat
                        1. https://topwar.ru/133391-armiya-ssha-testiruet-novuyu-sistemu-celeukazaniya-dlya-artillerii.html


                        2. https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a199190.pdf

                        3. https://topwar.ru/158507-general-dynamics-predstavila-novoe-pokolenie-upravljaemyh-min.html#comment-id-9407647


                        And now Lopatov’s exit from KVO Helfayra from the manufacturer. Blown away? laughing
                      10. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 14 November 2019 13: 08
                        0
                        Quote: Professor
                        Do you hait songs? I have them "..

                        Well again ...

                        On the first point DRAIN.
                        You just gave a link to my words. And not a link confirming their fallacy. No need to mow under not very smart.

                        On the second point DRAIN.
                        The document does not confirm that dispersion of guided projectiles is not subject to normal law.
                        Even the name of the document testifies to this. Target detection and its defeat are two completely different tasks.

                        On the third point, DRAIN.
                        You just gave a link to my words. And not a link confirming their fallacy.

                        Total?
                        Drain + Drain + Drain = ???
                        ========================
                        So, you could not confirm your reasoning in the first post of this thread. What was personally suspected by me initially.
                        And all your subsequent posts had only one goal - to hide it
                      11. Professor
                        Professor 14 November 2019 13: 58
                        -3
                        The troll can not prove anything. He does not need proof. This is about you.

                        You sat in a puddle with your stupid statements and fidget sitting in a puddle. Everything is subject to the Normal Law, but normal people have a bunch of ways to check whether this process is subject to the Normal Distribution or not (QQ probability plots, Cumulative frequency (PP) plots, W / S test, Jarque-Bera test, Shapiro-Wilks test, Kolmogorov-Smirnov test, D'Agostino test). Everything is subject to the Normal Law, and normal people are familiar with more than 200 (two hundred, Karl) distribution types (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_probability_distributions).

                        Your asymptote crosses the axis to which it seeks fool and you are smart enough to demand proof that this is impossible. You are shown a formula confirming this, and you stupidly troll "prove".

                        If you still do not understand, then I did not conduct the conversation with you - a troll and it is useless to prove anything to an ignoramus. I showed forum users your place in the "food chain". Now that this is clear to everyone, I stop feeding you. Sometimes I will poke you into yours ... but I will not feed you. wassat
                      12. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 14 November 2019 14: 17
                        +1
                        Quote: Professor
                        The troll can not prove anything.

                        Ага.
                        Especially when there is no evidence.


                        Quote: Professor
                        You have an asymptote that crosses the axis to which it tends to fool, and you have enough intelligence to demand evidence that this is impossible.

                        Lies.
                        I demand from you completely different evidence.
                        I understand that Russian is not native. but what is not clear in my phrase? And yes, a link to the fact that with a KVO of less than one meter, at least one ammunition will fly off a circle with a diameter of 8 meters during regular operation of the control system.
                        You are so insolent that you even manage to lie about those posts that are posted in this thread. Where to go further ...

                        Quote: Professor
                        If you still do not understand, then the conversation I did not conduct with you

                        Naturally. You are like a joke. "I don't want it big, I don't want it big, I don't want it big ..... it's not me it's not me, it's not me ....."

                        You have all the posts in this thread devoted to two things. The first is insults, the second is excuses why you should not be responsible for your own words.

                        WHERE, pancake, LINKS CONFIRMING YOUR APPROVALS IN FIRST POST ????

                        How much can you rotate in the pan and broadcast goloslovshchina?
    2. garri-lin
      garri-lin 12 November 2019 21: 06
      0
      That's it. Classic second generation with a half range.
  8. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 12 November 2019 14: 13
    +1
    Karl Gustaf epic prodigy named after their one of the most warlike kings
  9. tlauicol
    tlauicol 12 November 2019 14: 26
    -1
    You can add to the article that a new guided shot is suitable for launching from indoors
  10. Igorpl
    Igorpl 12 November 2019 16: 55
    -1
    Sweden has a developed defense industry, despite its size. Maybe that's why our boats are looking for. Someone crazy, who profit.
  11. aszzz888
    aszzz888 13 November 2019 08: 28
    0
    I noticed that almost ALL photos with this bazooka show the same Swede. Why do they have only one soldier who can handle the pipe? laughing Or photoshop in the first place? bully
  12. Operator
    Operator 13 November 2019 11: 20
    +1
    Quote: Spade
    will you be responsible for your own words?

    You oppose retired IDF propagandist laughing