Swedish grenade launcher Carl-Gustaf M4 will receive high-precision ammunition

Swedish grenade launcher Carl-Gustaf M4 will receive high-precision ammunition

The Swedish Carl-Gustaf hand grenade launcher will soon receive high-precision ammunition. According to Jane's, the first stage of guided munition tests for this grenade launcher was completed successfully.


The American company Raytheon and the Swedish Saab Dynamics developed and conducted the first stage of testing guided munitions for the Carl-Gustaf hand grenade launcher. The next stage, which includes demonstration shows, is planned to be held next spring.

According to the developers, the new guided munition is designed for grenade launchers of the latest M4 and M3E1 - the American version of the Swedish weapons. It is equipped with laser and inertial guidance systems and can be used for firing at targets at distances from 30 meters to 2 kilometers. The circular probable deviation for the ammunition is less than 1 meters. It is argued that a new guidance system is already being developed that will allow you to hit targets in the "fired - forgot" mode.

The shot is located in a cylindrical container, with which it charges in Carl-Gustaf. The mass of the shot is 6,8 kilograms. It can be used to hit targets of various types, including lightly armored vehicles and concrete structures.

The Carl Gustaf grenade launcher was created by the Swedish engineer Siegfried Axelson on the basis of the Carl Gustaf Pvg m / 42 anti-tank gun. The weapon is designed to destroy armored targets, manpower and enemy fire positions, as well as creating smoke screens and lighting the area. For seven decades, four modifications have been created (M1, M2, M3 and M4), the last of which was presented in 2014 and has a mass less than 7 kg (the first one weighed more than 16 kg). Due to the variety of 84-mm ammunition, Carl Gustaf is a multifunctional combat weapon and is in service with 45 armies around the world.

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  1. rocket757 12 November 2019 13: 34 New
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    Weapons are becoming smarter and more expensive ... such things, but this can not be changed.
    1. Lexus 12 November 2019 13: 44 New
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      Vit hi
      Everything costs money. Therefore, our little crooks do not save on themselves. So much so that the rest - the defense industry, medicine, education, pensions and so on - does not remain.
      1. rocket757 12 November 2019 14: 01 New
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        Alexey soldier
        Quote: lexus
        Everything costs money. Therefore, our little crooks do not save on themselves.

        This is true ... to hear "there is no money, but you hold on" - it was very boo ....
        If the very top ones had listened how the country was no longer responding to the affairs and statements of those many who seemed to have a “clip”, but simply to their FACE, the space around them and the soft-warm, soft chairs were empty a lot of the past!
        Alas and ah .... we do not have what we have, but we ......
        Who said that there are no irreplaceable ones?
        And who, as it were, refutes him now?
    2. bouncyhunter 12 November 2019 13: 45 New
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      The shield is getting smarter - the sword is getting smarter. I think that high-precision ammunition for the Swedish shaitan-pipe will be in every way cheaper than an anti-tank missile of the same purpose. Although ... If mattresses are involved in the development, this is not at all a fact ... lol
      1. rocket757 12 November 2019 13: 54 New
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        Quote: bouncyhunter
        any cheaper anti-tank missiles

        not the fact that he will be able to inflict serious damage to a well-protected equipment. Not only size matters, but also the degree of development of the technical characteristics of the ammunition ... and this is not a small amount of money, so far no one has been able to get around this.
        Simple and effective, this is about a nail in the sole, until the insole, the sole was used, into which it was simply NOT possible to drive the nail ANYWHERE!
        1. bouncyhunter 12 November 2019 13: 58 New
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          Quote: rocket757
          and this is not small money

          So here I am about the same! drinks
    3. iConst 12 November 2019 14: 28 New
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      Quote: rocket757
      Weapons are becoming smarter and more expensive ... such things, but this can not be changed.

      If the price of one, albeit accurate shot, approaches the volley of an “old” Grad, then ... isn’t it easier to cover it with hail? The psychological effect will be more serious. :)
      1. rocket757 12 November 2019 14: 37 New
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        Quote: iConst
        If the price of one, albeit accurate shot, approaches the volley of an “old” Grad, then ... isn’t it easier to cover it with hail? The psychological effect will be more serious. :)

        So we upgrade the city in the tornado and release the pinocchio!
        These are Swedes, you will not spoil them !!! Immediately "frantic Gretta" will begin to come and .... to someone in a dream, and to someone in NATURE! Br-rr
        1. bouncyhunter 12 November 2019 14: 40 New
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          Quote: rocket757
          Immediately "frantic Gretta" will begin to come and .... to someone in a dream, and to someone in NATURE! Brrrr

          Vit, and what if some thrill-seeker is just waiting for this ??? wassat
          1. rocket757 12 November 2019 14: 46 New
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            Quote: bouncyhunter
            Vit, and what if some thrill-seeker is just waiting for this ???

            They, of course, do not have it with us ... but still, it’s not completely summer and .... how to put it, it’s tolerant, but it’s, WITH Oddities!
            1. bouncyhunter 12 November 2019 14: 49 New
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              Quote: rocket757
              how to express it, tolerantly, but is, WITH Oddities!

              Do not be tolerant (pah!), Better diplomatically. A specific poorly informed teenager. yes
              1. rocket757 12 November 2019 14: 53 New
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                Quote: bouncyhunter
                Do not be tolerant (pah!), Better diplomatically. A specific poorly informed teenager.

                Of course, everything, everything, cannot be attributed to hormones .... there is, there is someone nearby, not at all - R - ak, but a big St. - OL - very good!
                1. bouncyhunter 12 November 2019 14: 55 New
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                  GDP correctly said that using children for political purposes is low. I would add many epithets to these words, but censorship will not miss ... repeat
                  1. rocket757 12 November 2019 15: 05 New
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                    Quote: bouncyhunter
                    GDP correctly said that using children for political purposes is low. I would add many epithets to these words, but censorship will not miss ...

                    Everything will become known over time.
                    We keep epithets ... they don’t give bonuses for this, but it’s easy in the “corner”. he himself recently "defended the term", on suspicion only. It happens, but I don’t feel like it, the limit has been exhausted.
        2. iConst 12 November 2019 14: 44 New
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          Quote: rocket757
          Immediately "frantic Gretta" will begin to come and .... to someone in a dream, and to someone in NATURE!

          Holy-holy ...! laughing good
          1. rocket757 12 November 2019 14: 49 New
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            Quote: iConst
            Holy-holy ...!

            Had to see frantic green .... this is at least brrrr am
            1. iConst 12 November 2019 15: 00 New
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              Quote: rocket757
              Quote: iConst
              Holy-holy ...!

              Had to see frantic green .... this is at least brrrr am

              It's funny that (just not Alzheimer) in the late 70s, this movement really advocated ecology. And when they were noticed, the big uncles realized - why not use it for competitive purposes.

              as my oligarch friend I said, “money should not be tickled, it must be suppressed!” wassat
              1. rocket757 12 November 2019 15: 08 New
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                Quote: iConst
                in the late 70s, this movement really advocated ecology.

                Here's the garlic. We also have enough cases that they need to keep under control, too!
                But after all, they are not used for environmental reasons. Big business, big grandmas at stake .... the game is not fair, it happens very often!
    4. svp67 12 November 2019 15: 47 New
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      Quote: rocket757
      Weapons are becoming smarter and more expensive ... such things, but this can not be changed.

      And, that it’s a perfectly sensible idea to have a SINGLE PU for conventional rocket-propelled grenades and for ATGMs similar to Javelin or Spike
      1. rocket757 12 November 2019 16: 09 New
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        Quote: svp67
        it’s a perfectly sensible idea to have a SINGLE PU for conventional rocket-propelled grenades and for ATGMs,

        If it fits into the dimensions and the effectiveness in the implementation of the tasks provided is not a question.
        But still, lightweight, for mobile infantry and specialists, you have to do ... weight and dimensions matter.
    5. iouris 13 November 2019 15: 33 New
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      Quote: rocket757
      Weapons are getting smarter and more expensive ... things like that,

      The main requirement for weapons is combat effectiveness not lower than the specified one. Do you seriously believe that a weapon has a mind besides a price?
      1. rocket757 13 November 2019 16: 18 New
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        In quotation marks the word "smarter" why taken?
        They don’t make weapons, they don’t adopt them without several mandatory conditions, such as efficiency, for example! Why discuss the obvious, especially since we cannot verify, confirm / refute in any way.
  2. About 2 12 November 2019 13: 42 New
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    Karl Gustav is a good car and it is popular in many special units around the world. Sometime in the mid-90s, one of the issues of the Soldier of fortune magazine described the use of these weapons in one of the cities of India against the Afghan mujahideen who had settled in the house and despite the fact that they sat behind a brick wall they finished with one high-explosive type shot.
  3. parkello 12 November 2019 13: 43 New
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    actually Carl Gustav is not a grenade launcher, but a recoilless rifle (bazooka), moreover, a rifled recourse and on the other hand it’s a good bazooka. we have such. its huge plus is that it can be used from the windows of buildings or basements when tanks advance and already in the city. This is a nightmare of any tanker.
    1. Nikolaevich I 12 November 2019 14: 12 New
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      Quote: parkello
      in fact, Karl Gustav is not a grenade launcher, but a recoilless rifle (bazooka), moreover, a rifled one and on the other hand it is a good bazooka.

      Mdaaa ... what you wrote is called "compote"! I agree with you that according to the type (pattern) of weapons, the "K. Gustav" can be attributed to recoilless (dynamo-reactive ...) guns. But rocket-propelled grenades (!) Were used in the bazooka and for that reason such a “class” of weapons was at one time called “jet guns”! The principle of operation of the bazooka rocket-propelled grenade is the same as that of the RPG-18 "Fly" or RPG-29 "Vampire" ...
      1. parkello 12 November 2019 14: 30 New
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        Mdaaa ... what you wrote is called "compote" I do not understand, but you wanted borsch? request
        1. Nikolaevich I 12 November 2019 15: 24 New
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          But do not you go ... in cooking ... otherwise you are probably lost here? It was written for me: "compote" (not compote!); That is, in the sense of "mixture"! And what did you mix, I explained!
          1. parkello 12 November 2019 15: 28 New
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            Vladimir, what should I do, however I decide. but in the sense of "compote" it differs from compote only in quotation marks. the fact that Karl Gustav is not a grant meter, that's for sure. but what did you mean that the principle of his work is similar to that of a grenade launcher ... sorry, the tractor and the car also have a lot in common, the internal combustion engine, the wheels, the cab, the steering wheel. pedals ... only one is a tractor and the other is a car. try hacking on a tractor .. why not a car? or plowing a taxi ... but about compotes and preserves for cooks, take a look. maybe you will be offered whatever else ...
    2. Lexus 12 November 2019 14: 23 New
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      its huge plus is that it can be used from the windows of buildings or basements

      Small clarification. Pay attention to the flame at startup. Karl Gustav is a purely rocket-propelled grenade launcher. You cannot use it from the premises in its current form. If you add a counter-mass of saline, as in AT-4CS, then yes. You can shoot from RPG-7 from the premises, only the distance to the wall is at least 3 meters and the internal doors must be open so as not to fly out with the grenade.
      1. tlauicol 12 November 2019 14: 37 New
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        no. they immediately took care to shoot it from the premises. now we thought about homing
        1. Lexus 12 November 2019 14: 51 New
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          Yes, they set the starting accelerator. In order not to complicate the main taxiway with an additional mode. But the flames from behind did not go away. In the video in the article, this is clearly visible. For comparison, the so-called "soft" starts "Javelina".
          1. tlauicol 12 November 2019 14: 58 New
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            Javelin also has a flame - it’s just a slow-motion shot, and nlaw has a flame. but not the same as

            Carla's new ammo is a soft shot
      2. Golovan Jack 12 November 2019 14: 56 New
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        Quote: lexus
        You can shoot from RPG-7 from the premises, only the distance to the wall is at least 3 meters and the internal doors must be open so as not to fly out with the grenade

        Pedivicia? I wouldn’t ... even with the "internal doors" open (it’s not clear where) laughing
        1. Lexus 12 November 2019 15: 01 New
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          Pedivicia?

          Knowledge of the laws of physics and experience.
          I wouldn’t ... even with the "internal doors" open (it’s not clear where)

          In those who are "in the tank." And, obviously, after the explosion.
          1. Golovan Jack 12 November 2019 15: 03 New
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            Quote: lexus
            Knowledge of the laws of physics

            I have more of it.

            Quote: lexus
            and experience

            Have you tried to shoot yourself? wassat

            Quote: lexus
            In those who are "in the tank"

            If this is for me, I'm not in the tank at the moment. Although I spent some time there, yes.
          2. Rusland 12 November 2019 15: 11 New
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            Quote: lexus
            Pedivicia?

            Knowledge of the laws of physics and experience.
            I wouldn’t ... even with the "internal doors" open (it’s not clear where)

            In those who are "in the tank." And, obviously, after the explosion.

            Man, knowledge of the laws of physics, with the author on "N", does not cancel bumps and blues under the eyes in the area of ​​the pub, there are all physicists, and chemists in the pubs. wink
      3. Nikolaevich I 12 November 2019 15: 16 New
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        Quote: lexus
        Karl Gustav is a purely rocket-propelled grenade launcher.

        Well, if we continue to talk about "cleanliness", then Karl Gustav is a dynamo-rocket-propelled grenade launcher ... (or "light recoilless gun" ...).
        Quote: lexus
        You cannot use it from the premises in its current form

        I do not argue...
        Quote: lexus
        You can shoot from RPG-7 from rooms, only the distance to the wall is at least 3 meters and the internal doors must be open so that it does not fly out with the grenade

        Well, if you don’t remember about the doors, then somewhere 4-5 m should be ...
        1. Lexus 12 November 2019 15: 22 New
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          Well, if you don’t remember about the doors, then somewhere 4-5 m should be ...

          Thank! But the cat dog does not believe. In principle, he didn’t read the article either; he doesn’t need this. He is here with his pack to instruct the cons. And I give meaning to his life.
          1. Rusland 12 November 2019 15: 30 New
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            Quote: lexus
            But the cat dog does not believe.

            Lexus on the white horse of the winning marshal, actually a pervert. yes
        2. Golovan Jack 12 November 2019 15: 29 New
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          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          somewhere 4-5 m should be ...

          In the room 2.5 X 6, for example ... good luck, I’ll go to the side myself ...

          Quote: lexus
          cat dog does not believe

          Quote: Anecdote, especially for Lochus
          “Why is the flounder flat?”
          “But because the whale, ahem, slept with her.”
          “Why does eye cancer bulge?”
          - But because he saw it!

          Highlighted - definitely not about you. Pedivikia rules good
          1. Nikolaevich I 12 November 2019 16: 39 New
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            Quote: Golovan Jack
            In the room 2.5 X 6, for example ... good luck, I’ll go to the side myself ...

            There was an article on the internet where the author cited "simple estimates (calculations)" of the premises from which you can shoot from RPG-7 at the request of the author ... (like, tried ... they shot ...). Only, that's bad luck ... I forgot these calculations! I remember that these "not less than 4-5 m behind" were mentioned there ... If I find the "mother", then I will bring it!
      4. parkello 12 November 2019 16: 02 New
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        I had 2 of these in my company. their tasks at the general briefing were explained as follows. the grantometer can’t shoot from the basement or the apartment’s window, but Karl Gustav can .. considering that he is a breech-loading and uses a not quite real grenade. but rather a unitary ammunition. here you’ll shoot from an RPG from the basement and you will fly away after the grenade. and you can shoot from it from indoors.
        1. Nikolaevich I 12 November 2019 16: 58 New
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          Quote: parkello
          Karl Gustav .. Considering that he is a breech-loading and uses a not quite real grenade. But rather a unitary ammunition. here you’ll shoot from an RPG from the basement and you will fly away after the grenade. and you can shoot from it from indoors.

          K. Gustav and RPG-7 have similar principles of firing, if you do not take into account that RPG-7 uses super-caliber ammunition, and Karl Gustav-caliber ... Both the Swedish grenade launcher and the RPG-7 first "work" "propellant (knock-out) powder charges that emit ammunition from the barrel of a weapon ... Karl Gustav can have both" active "shots and" active-reactive "... where, when the ammunition is removed a certain distance from the shooter, it fires jet accelerator. The RPG-7 basically has an "active-reactive" shot, but it also has an "active" 40-mm ... The predecessor of an RPG-7 RPG-2 grenade launcher has an "active" 80-mm shot. Who is "where he flies away" and who "remains" ... what request
  4. The leader of the Redskins 12 November 2019 13: 46 New
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    The Smoking Room is alive! How old is this veteran? Once I spoke with the Portuguese, the former in the army, the operator of this RPG. So he declared that this is the best weapon that he held in his hands and shook his head in dismay, having learned that I was a former tanker ...
    1. Lopatov 12 November 2019 14: 47 New
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      How old is this veteran?

      Very little.
      From the initial sample, only the name remains.
      Even the material of the “pipe” was changed four times.
  5. Pashhenko Nikolay 12 November 2019 13: 46 New
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    High-precision ammunition in grenade launchers has long been asking. The price of the matter apparently holds back. But the prospects are huge.
    1. Nikolaevich I 12 November 2019 14: 17 New
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      Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
      High-precision ammunition in grenade launchers has long been obvious.

      There was once infa from “Basalt” that they decided to develop 105-mm self-aiming ammunition for grenade launchers there; but something then "silence reigned" ... request
  6. Operator 12 November 2019 14: 03 New
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    If there is a guided rocket-propelled grenade, then in fig it has a reusable rocket-propelled grenade launcher, especially in the form factor of a dynamo-jet gun with a massive launch tube designed for increased propellant charge pressure?

    For the URH, the lighter disposable organoplastic TPK without a metal rifled insert, as in Karl Gustav, is quite sufficient.
    1. Mountain shooter 12 November 2019 15: 15 New
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      Quote: Operator
      For the URH, the lighter disposable organoplastic TPK without a metal rifled insert, as in Karl Gustav, is quite sufficient.

      The sighting system is removable and in order. The result is a light ATGM. Too light to defeat MBT, but expensive to use on everything in a row on the battlefield ... For RPG-7 there is ammunition of increased armor penetration with a large diameter grenade. And the rotation of his (ammunition) is not so fast.
      Here's a make manageable? But the cost ...
      1. Operator 12 November 2019 15: 39 New
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        A solid-state gyroscope (used in smartphones) + a laser radiation sensor + a high-temperature battery + an electroactive polymer tail unit will cost within 100 bucks.
      2. garri-lin 12 November 2019 19: 07 New
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        Yes, do not care the cost. A shot from the LGSN for RPG7 has been asking for about 10 years. And the scope is well thought out and correctly designed. You want with old shots a bullet from the excavated dugout of the times taking the Amin’s palace. And you want lodges on a ray under a tower, as grandfathers taught.
    2. Nikolaevich I 12 November 2019 15: 35 New
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      Quote: Operator
      If there is a guided rocket-propelled grenade, then in fig it has a reusable grenade launcher, especially in the form factor of a dynamo-jet gun with a massive launch tube,

      The point here is the universality of the use of weapons ... that is, the ability, as before, to use the "vast assortment" of shots ... (and expensive guided, and cheap unguided ... and armor-piercing, and high-explosive fragmentation, and incendiary .. .da at least card!))
      1. Operator 12 November 2019 15: 44 New
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        The fee for this approach will be the double weight of the launch tube plus the additional weight of the transport containers of guided rocket-propelled grenades - in general, everything that is lugged on the hump of an infantryman.
        1. tlauicol 12 November 2019 17: 06 New
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          The tube itself is easier for them from year to year, and to charge with a new rocket is not so difficult for firing from bipods. Heavier separately pturs with a tripod and all the junk to carry and a grenade launcher in addition to drag
  7. Professor 12 November 2019 14: 09 New
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    The circular probable deviation for the ammunition is less than 1 meters.

    Polopatov: "QUO in 5 meters means that 100% ( fool ) min will fall into a circle with a diameter of 40 meters." wassat During the KVO in 1, the path of 100% will fall into a circle with a diameter of 8 m. Khan will not be greeted by the enemy infantry and equipment.

    Not Polopatov, but normal: the system will turn out interesting. 3 generation ATGM accuracy at a lower price.
    1. Lopatov 12 November 2019 14: 51 New
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      Quote: Professor
      With a KVO in 1 m Polopatov, 100% will fall into a circle with a diameter of 8 m

      Exactly.
      Only not 8, but less than 8 meters.
      Learn to read in Russian.

      Quote: Professor
      3rd generation ATGM at a lower price.

      Gee .....
      Do you still think Helfaer with exactly the same control system is much worse?
      A link to the fact that they have a KVO greater than 1 meters.
      Or are you sure that "some" Cornet "accuracy is worse?
      A link to the fact that they have a KVO more than 1 meters.

      And yes, a link to the fact that with a KVO of less than one meter, at least one ammunition will fly off a circle with a diameter of 8 meters during regular operation of the control system.
      And you can’t in any way confirm your conclusions with sources that the accuracy of the WTO does not obey the coordinate law of defeat
      1. Professor 12 November 2019 16: 25 New
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        Quote: Spade
        Exactly.
        Only not 8, but less than 8 meters.
        Learn to read in Russian.

        Bravo!!!!!!!!!!!!! good
        Set off to the ignoramuses. 100% will fall VVVVVV circle less than 8 meters. None will fly. Shnobel Prize to Shovel. wassat

        Quote: Spade
        Gee .....
        Do you still think Helfaer with exactly the same control system is much worse?
        A link to the fact that they have a KVO greater than 1 meters.
        Or are you sure that "some" Cornet "accuracy is worse?
        A link to the fact that they have a KVO more than 1 meters.

        Does Helfer have a QUO? Only in your fantasies. The developer does not mention it. He probably taught the theory of probability. Unlike you who have "Everything is subject to the normal law." fool

        Quote: Spade
        And yes, a link to the fact that with a KVO of less than one meter, at least one ammunition will fly off a circle with a diameter of 8 meters during regular operation of the control system.

        Materiel, dear. Here is the formula for you. Count. Although to whom am I writing this? Your asymptote crosses the axis and therefore you get 100% with "Normal distribution". In educated people, the asymptote does not cross the axis to which it approaches. recourse



        Quote: Spade
        And you can’t in any way confirm your conclusions with sources that the accuracy of the WTO does not obey the coordinate law of defeat

        Coordinate law? You are a liar. I have never mentioned this term.
        1. Lopatov 12 November 2019 16: 41 New
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          Quote: Professor
          Does Helfer have a QUO? Only in your fantasies. The developer does not mention it.

          A reference to the fact that "Helfaer" "does not have a CWO" (Gee ..... Shnobel Prize to Professor (s))



          Quote: Professor
          Materiel, dear. Here is the formula for you.

          I do not need a formula.
          I need a link confirming your words.
          Looks like her nket?
          Drain


          Quote: Professor
          Coordinate law? You are a liar. I have never mentioned this term.

          Of course. I used it. And you for this absolutely unfounded called me "ignoramus"
          I am hinting that KVO is a product of approximating the coordinate law of defeat by a stepwise one. Like
          Therefore, a reference to the fact that I am wrong, and the accuracy of the WTO does not obey the coordinate law of defeat.

          I do not need "water", provide links confirming your philosophies. And then you only require it from others, considering yourself infallible. So let's see.
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            Quote: Spade
            A reference to the fact that "Helfaer" "does not have a CWO" (Gee ..... Shnobel Prize to Professor (s))

            Helfire link no Quo? Yes you are fading day by day. Maybe another link that Helfire no hooves and tail? You mentioned Helfaer in the context of the CWO. don’t even bother to look for such an indicator in helfire. You sat in a puddle and fatly troll. Normally.

            Quote: Spade
            I do not need a formula.
            I need a link confirming your words.
            Looks like her nket?
            Drain

            I gave you the formula. Substitute your CVO and precipitate. After all, in your asymptote the axis crosses which it approaches. It doesn’t cross in anyone, but in your intersects.

            Quote: Spade
            Of course. I used it. And you for this absolutely unfounded called me "ignoramus"
            I am hinting that KVO is a product of approximating the coordinate law of defeat by a stepwise one. Like
            Therefore, a reference to the fact that I am wrong, and the accuracy of the WTO does not obey the coordinate law of defeat.

            I do not need "water", provide links confirming your philosophies. And then you only require it from others, considering yourself infallible. So let's see.

            You are a liar. I never uttered words about coordinate laws, I never made any conclusions about coordinate laws, I never mentioned those.


            PS
            You are poorly educated. In your one in the universe the asymptote crosses the axis to which it approaches and in your one in the universe the probability of the event described by the Gauss law is 100%. This elementary knowledge was given in any higher educational institution of the USSR. The school ensigns were not given. Does this not explain yours: "Everything is subject to the normal law."? A rhetorical question laughing
            1. Lopatov 12 November 2019 20: 56 New
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              In short, not a single link. Cool. You are as loyal to yourself as you are picky to others.
              So you cannot confirm your words with anything.

              Drain
              Quote: Professor
              You are a liar. I never said a word about coordinate laws

              You also do not know how to read. I repeat for those for whom Russian is not native. I wrote about the coordinate law of the situation. And it is he who is the basis for such characteristics as CEP, RMD and the like.
              You, damn it, do not even know the basics.
              All in the style of "show me the entrance to the submarine, and I will find there a thousand shortcomings."

              Horror ....

              Quote: Professor
              I gave you the formula.

              I do not need a formula, I need links with which you must confirm your statements.

              No links yet. And with a high probability it will not. "Only the foreman walked from the whole company"
              Apparently, an alternative probability theory for a democratic society is not particularly common 8)))))))))))))))
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                Quote: Spade
                In short, not a single link. Cool. You are as loyal to yourself as you are picky to others.
                So you cannot confirm your words with anything.

                I do not feed the trolls, but only feed them.

                Quote: Spade
                You also do not know how to read. I repeat for those for whom Russian is not native. I wrote about the coordinate law of the situation. And it is he who is the basis for such characteristics as CEP, RMD and the like.
                You, damn it, do not even know the basics.
                All in the style of "show me the entrance to the submarine, and I will find there a thousand shortcomings."

                Horror ....

                You are a liar, there were streets in a lie and now wriggle.

                Quote: Spade
                I do not need a formula, I need links with which you must confirm your statements.

                No links yet. And with a high probability it will not. "Only the foreman walked from the whole company"
                Apparently, an alternative probability theory for a democratic society is not particularly common 8)))))))))))))))

                Blah blah blah. Lopataov: "Everything is subject to the normal law." Sit down. Two!!! wassat
                1. Lopatov 12 November 2019 21: 03 New
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                  I do not see links.
                  Only an urgent desire to discuss me.
                  As required.
                  Drain
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                    Quote: Spade
                    I do not see links.
                    Only an urgent desire to discuss me.
                    As required.
                    Drain

                    Blown off Shovels. I don’t see the link that the manufacturer of Helfire mentions KVO. I did not see the link that the manufacturer of Excalibur mentions the CVO. BUT I saw Lopatov's pearls about 100% of the shells will fall in a circle less than 40 m with a quo in 5 m. Sit down two. Come retake in the fall. Today I will not feed. tongue
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                      Quote: Professor
                      Blown off Shovels.

                      "Lopatov was blown away, began to do like me" laughing

                      What, do not like it? I am now with you only in this way.

                      WHERE LINKS ???

                      Will you be responsible for your own words?
                      At first they wrote a complete game, and now in the bushes? Tried to troll, and now in a puddle?
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                        Quote: Spade
                        "Lopatov was blown away, began to do like me"

                        What, do not like it? I am now with you only in this way.

                        WHERE LINKS ???

                        Links to the fact that there is NO armament. There will be no links to references to the fact that there are no CWS or horns or hooves. This time.
                        I always confirm my words with links. Unlike you. These are two.
                        You are poorly educated. You do not have basic basic knowledge. These are three.

                        So. Where are the links to the fact that KVO has anything to do with Helfire? Where is the manufacturer's CVO characteristic mentioned? There is none of them. You sat down in a puddle again. Sit down two. wassat

                        Quote: Spade
                        At first they wrote a complete game, and now in the bushes? Tried to troll, and now in a puddle?

                        In the area of ​​trolling, you have no equal. For this, as we see education is not necessary.

                        PS
                        100% of the shells will fall in a circle of less than 40 m with a quo in 5 m lol
                      2. Lopatov 13 November 2019 12: 24 New
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                        Links to what is NOT

                        You demand these from me all the time. So look for links to confirm your allegations.
                        And not like the last time you managed to begin to refute the information on the images you posted and posted on the links that you cited.

                        WHERE LINKS !!!!
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                        Quote: Spade
                        You demand these from me all the time. So look for links to confirm your allegations.

                        I demand links to your fantasies that supposedly Yes in your opinion. You just troll demanding nonexistent links to something no. For example, the fact that the tank does not have a torpedo tube. Typical fat troll.

                        Quote: Spade
                        And not like the last time you managed to begin to refute the information on the images you posted and posted on the links that you cited.

                        You lie again. I did not provide links. I drew a picture. And you merged without being able to provide a link to the source of information.

                        Quote: Spade
                        WHERE LINKS !!!!

                        And really, Lopatov. Where are the links to your fantasies? Where is the link to Lockheed and QUO Helfire? Should I look for you again?
                      4. Lopatov 13 November 2019 12: 57 New
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                        I need links

                        I do not care what you do so as not to be responsible for your words. Enough of this spin in the pan

                        WHERE LINKS CONFIRMING YOUR APPLICATIONS ???
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                        Quote: Spade
                        Quote: Professor
                        I need links

                        I do not care what you do so as not to be responsible for your words. Enough of this spin in the pan

                        WHERE LINKS CONFIRMING YOUR APPLICATIONS ???

                        My links will be right after yours. Demonstrate how to. wink
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                        Quote: Professor
                        My links will be right after yours.

                        I first demanded that you confirm your words with links.
                        Your excuses are already getting ridiculous.
                        WHERE LINKS?
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                        Quote: Spade
                        Quote: Professor
                        My links will be right after yours.

                        I first demanded that you confirm your words with links.
                        Your excuses are already getting ridiculous.
                        WHERE LINKS?

                        You are a liar. Have you already shown links to Excalibur? I'm still waiting. The truth of the year has not yet passed. Wait for the links? The rhetorical question for the troll. wassat
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                        You are a liar.

                        Once again I looked through all your 10 posts on this thread. There is a sea of ​​words about nothing. The transition to the individual is.
                        But there are no links confirming the statements in the post of November 12, 14:09.
                        Therefore, your “liar” in the absence of links is just an attempt to insult the conversation from an uncomfortable topic.
                        Namely, the complete absence of arguments in favor of what was voiced in the first post

                        WHERE LINKS ???
                      9. Lopatov 13 November 2019 13: 56 New
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                        Have you already shown links to Excalibur?

                        Yes. And you found this link yourself
                        But you answered me in the style of "there are not square meters, but hectares, therefore it is not an area"

                        Now it's my turn.
                        WHERE LINKS ???
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                        Quote: Professor
                        Have you already shown links to Excalibur?

                        Yes. And you found this link yourself
                        But you answered me in the style of "there are not square meters, but hectares, therefore it is not an area"

                        Now it's my turn.
                        WHERE LINKS ???

                        You are a liar. There is no reference to KVO.
                      11. Lopatov 13 November 2019 15: 06 New
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                        You are a liar. There is no reference to KVO.

                        Again an unjustified insult. I did not say that your link indicated QUO. It says "radial miss distance" RMD. The same product of approximation of the coordinate law of defeat is stepwise, like CEP, just different percentages. Not 50% but 90% hits

                        But some people pretend not to understand this. And hectares are not a measure of area

                        WHERE LINKS ???
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                        Quote: Spade
                        Again an unjustified insult. I did not say that your link indicated QUO. It says "radial miss distance" RMD. The same product of approximation of the coordinate law of defeat is stepwise, like CEP, just different percentages. Not 50% but 90% hits

                        You are a liar. Quo in English is CEP. Where is it in the link? Quo?
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                        Quote: Professor
                        You are a liar. Quo in English is CEP. Where is it in the link? Quo?

                        And here again ...
                        After all, you yourself realize that you are doing literacy in its purest form
                        For, in the apt expression of the "illiterate" developers of Excalibur



                        That is, it does not matter what is indicated by reference, CEP or RMD

                        However, you continue to shout hysterically, "Liar, liar, liar, there are not square meters, there are hectares, then this is not an area ...."

                        Not good...
                        After all, insults do not change reality ....

                        Incidentally, WHERE LINKS ??? Will you confirm your reasoning with something?
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                        Quote: Spade
                        Quote: Professor
                        You are a liar. Quo in English is CEP. Where is it in the link? Quo?

                        And here again ...
                        After all, you yourself realize that you are doing literacy in its purest form
                        For, in the apt expression of the "illiterate" developers of Excalibur



                        That is, it does not matter what is indicated by reference, CEP or RMD

                        However, you continue to shout hysterically, "Liar, liar, liar, there are not square meters, there are hectares, then this is not an area ...."

                        Not good...
                        After all, insults do not change reality ....

                        Incidentally, WHERE LINKS ??? Will you confirm your reasoning with something?

                        I looked through all my eyes. Maybe show the arrow where it says Zip code (QUO)?
                      15. Lopatov 14 November 2019 12: 47 New
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                        I looked through all my eyes. Maybe show the arrow where it says CEP

                        8)))))
                        "Not square meters, but hectares, meaning not area."
                        You used to be more inventive in evading the facts.
                        WHERE LINKS ???
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                        I looked through all my eyes. Maybe show the arrow where it says CEP (QUO)?
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                        Quote: Professor
                        I looked through all my eyes. Maybe show the arrow where it says CEP (QUO)?

                        For the eleventh time, RMD is written there.
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    1. Lopatov 13 November 2019 10: 44 New
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      You are again in the role of a whipping boy, which is congenial to you. Or is masochism scientifically. To give a link?

      Again, you prefer to immediately turn to the individual, not bothering with arguments on the subject of the dispute ..
      For you personally:
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      Quote: Town Hall
      You are again in the role of a whipping boy, which is congenial to you. Or is masochism scientifically. To give a link?

      Do not give. Lopatov is not a reader, Lopatov is a writer. He does not read material on the links. Checked. Immediately goes into childhood and begins to troll like "prove that it was NOT this drone" or type "show that the shell manufacturer indicates that they are NOT equipped with a nuclear engine." Do not waste time on it. He "Everything is subject to the normal law." Dumb bourgeois in order to check whether the error is distributed according to the so-called Normal law conduct graphic tests:
      • QQ probability plots
      • Cumulative frequency (PP) plots

      Statistical tests:
      • W / S test
      • Jarque-Bera test
      • Shapiro-Wilks test
      • Kolmogorov-Smirnov test
      • D'Agostino test

      And in Lopatov, "Everything is subject to the normal law."
      1. Lopatov 13 November 2019 12: 59 New
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        Quote: Professor
        Do not give. Lopatov is not a reader, Lopatov is a writer

        In the absence of arguments, you immediately begin to pour mud on your opponent

        WHERE LINKS ????
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        Normal obeys everything. laughing
        Andrei Nikolaevich Kolmogorov and Nikolai Vasilyevich Smirnov turn over in graves.
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      4. Professor 13 November 2019 14: 29 New
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        Quote: Spade
        WHERE LINKS ????

        Looped? Reboot. Links right after you. I’m waiting and I won’t feed you today.
      5. Lopatov 13 November 2019 15: 12 New
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        Quote: Professor
        Looped?

        No, I'm just trying unsuccessfully to get you to prove your allegations.

        Quote: Professor
        Links right after you

        Once again, you wrote the first post in which you mentioned me for some reason.
        I indicated that these statements needed confirmation and required references. Which you are unable to provide

        Your post - your allegations - your evidence.
        WHERE LINKS ???
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        Quote: Spade
        Once again, you wrote the first post in which you mentioned me for some reason.
        I indicated that these statements needed confirmation and required references. Which you are unable to provide

        Links where "Everything is Subordinated to the Normal Law" or that under the Normal Distribution there can be 100% of results in the final segment? Which of your pearls? Be more specific.
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        Quote: Professor
        Links where "Everything is Subordinated to the Normal Law" or that under the Normal Distribution there can be 100% of results in the final segment? Which of your pearls? Be more specific.

        Blah blah blah...
        That is, to confirm the stream of consciousness that you issued in your first post on this thread, you are not collecting fundamentally.
        Drain in its purest form.
        The attempt to troll ended for you sitting in a deep puddle. With what I congratulate.
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      9. Professor 14 November 2019 12: 06 New
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        Quote: Spade
        Quote: Professor
        Links where "Everything is Subordinated to the Normal Law" or that under the Normal Distribution there can be 100% of results in the final segment? Which of your pearls? Be more specific.

        Blah blah blah...
        That is, to confirm the stream of consciousness that you issued in your first post on this thread, you are not collecting fundamentally.
        Drain in its purest form.
        The attempt to troll ended for you sitting in a deep puddle. With what I congratulate.

        "Do you hate songs? I have them" .. wassat
        1. https://topwar.ru/133391-armiya-ssha-testiruet-novuyu-sistemu-celeukazaniya-dlya-artillerii.html


        2. https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a199190.pdf

        3. https://topwar.ru/158507-general-dynamics-predstavila-novoe-pokolenie-upravljaemyh-min.html#comment-id-9407647


        And now Lopatov’s exit from KVO Helfayra from the manufacturer. Blown away? laughing
      10. Lopatov 14 November 2019 13: 08 New
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        Quote: Professor
        Do you hait songs? I have them "..

        Well again ...

        On the first point DRAIN.
        You just gave a link to my words. And not a link confirming their fallacy. No need to mow under not very smart.

        On the second point DRAIN.
        The document does not confirm that dispersion of guided projectiles is not subject to normal law.
        Even the name of the document testifies to this. Target detection and its defeat are two completely different tasks.

        On the third point, DRAIN.
        You just gave a link to my words. And not a link confirming their fallacy.

        Total?
        Drain + Drain + Drain = ???
        ========================
        So, you could not confirm your reasoning in the first post of this thread. What was personally suspected by me initially.
        And all your subsequent posts had only one goal - to hide it
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        The troll can not prove anything. He does not need proof. This is about you.

        You sat in a puddle with your stupid statements and fidget sitting in a puddle. Everything is subject to the Normal Law, but normal people have a bunch of ways to check whether this process is subject to the Normal Distribution or not (QQ probability plots, Cumulative frequency (PP) plots, W / S test, Jarque-Bera test, Shapiro-Wilks test, Kolmogorov-Smirnov test, D'Agostino test). Everything is subject to the Normal Law, and normal people are familiar with more than 200 (two hundred, Karl) distribution types (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_probability_distributions).

        Your asymptote crosses the axis to which it seeks fool and you are smart enough to demand evidence that this is not possible. You are shown a formula confirming this, and you stupidly troll "prove".

        If you still do not understand, then I did not conduct the conversation with you-troll and I do not learn to prove anything useless. I showed the forum users your place in the "food chain". Now that this is clear to everyone, I stop feeding you. I will sometimes poke you in your own ... but I will not feed. wassat
      12. Lopatov 14 November 2019 14: 17 New
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        The troll can not prove anything.

        Ага.
        Especially when there is no evidence.


        Quote: Professor
        You have an asymptote that crosses the axis to which it tends to fool, and you have enough intelligence to demand evidence that this is impossible.

        Lies.
        I demand from you completely different evidence.
        I understand that Russian is not native. but what is not clear in my phrase? And yes, a link to the fact that with a KVO of less than one meter, at least one ammunition will fly off a circle with a diameter of 8 meters during regular operation of the control system.
        You are so insolent that you even manage to lie about those posts that are posted in this thread. Where to go further ...

        Quote: Professor
        If you still do not understand, then the conversation I did not conduct with you

        Naturally. You are in a joke. "I do not want in a big way, I do not want in a big way, I do not want in a big way ..... it's not me it's not me, it's not me ....."

        You have all the posts in this thread devoted to two things. The first is insults, the second is excuses why you should not be responsible for your own words.

        WHERE, pancake, LINKS CONFIRMING YOUR APPROVALS IN FIRST POST ????

        How much can you rotate in the pan and broadcast goloslovshchina?
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    That's it. Classic second generation with a half range.
  • Lord of the Sith 12 November 2019 14: 13 New
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    Karl Gustaf epic prodigy named after their one of the most warlike kings
  • tlauicol 12 November 2019 14: 26 New
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    You can add to the article that a new guided shot is suitable for launching from indoors
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    Sweden has a developed defense industry, despite its size. Maybe that's why our boats are looking for. Someone crazy, who profit.
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    I noticed that almost ALL photos with this bazooka show the same Swede. Why do they have only one soldier who can handle the pipe? laughing Or photoshop in the first place? bully
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    Quote: Spade
    will you be responsible for your own words?

    You oppose retired IDF propagandist laughing