U.S. submarine missing in 1944 year found


The American submarine USS Grayback, which died at the beginning of the 1944 year near Japan, was found after a long search. This was announced by the researcher and head of the private search group Lost 52 Project Tim Taylor.


The discovery was completely at the final stage of the search, when the team lost faith in success, and the equipment needed repair. When viewing the latest recordings from an underwater drone, a submarine was suddenly discovered.

USS Grayback lies at a depth of about 426 meters, about 161 km from Okinawa. The Japanese amateur search engine Yutaka Iwasaki, who determined that the initial records of the alleged location of the drowning contained errors, was of great help in finding it.

This submarine of the Tambor class was part of fleet The United States from 1941 and during the military service in the South Pacific sank a large number of enemy ships, and also saved several American pilots.

USS Grayback embarked on her last trek on January 28 1944. Pearl Harbor received her report on the sinking of two enemy ships, but the submarine did not return to base. It is believed that it was sunk by one of the Japanese aircraft.


The Lost 52 Project research team is investigating the fate of the 52 United States submarines that disappeared during World War II.
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  1. The leader of the Redskins 12 November 2019 12: 12 New
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    Eternal peace to them. Fought with imperialism and fascism.
    1. awg75 12 November 2019 13: 27 New
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      The United States has not fought with anyone. you can easily track how many Nazis they saved and warmed. raised their GDP at the expense of blood. something like this.
      1. 210ox 12 November 2019 14: 23 New
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        But how can I tell you ... Those ordinary guys who died in Sicily, Omaha Beach, the Pacific Ocean, were very far from the goals of the bankers and industrialists of their country. And they certainly fought and died.
        1. Shurik70 12 November 2019 14: 32 New
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          The Nazis were saved by the US government. And do not confuse them with American people.
          Specifically, these sailors fought precisely with the Japanese. And the Japanese then were 100% fascists. These sailors did a lot for the Victory. And they were ready to risk their lives, eventually dying.
      2. NF68 12 November 2019 17: 54 New
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        Quote: awg75
        The United States has not fought with anyone. you can easily track how many Nazis they saved and warmed. raised their GDP at the expense of blood. something like this.


        After the war, the Americans “picked up” from the Germans what the United States could use for their own purposes. In terms of practicality, Americans have always been ahead of the rest.
    2. orionvitt 13 November 2019 21: 31 New
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      Fought with imperialism and fascism.

      What now, only two countries in the world did not support the UN resolution on the condemnation of Nazism (in our general concept of fascism). This is the USA and Ukraine. What the United States fought for is well known. For world domination. Japan, Germany, the USSR, they did not care. First allies, then enemies. The main result. What we are observing now.
  2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 12 November 2019 12: 15 New
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    Good thing. We are looking for our ships lost in the Baltic, etc. Americans are in Indian and quiet. I am glad that we and the USA have people for whom this is important. Good luck
    And for the dead - eternal memory. They fought for a just cause.
    1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS 12 November 2019 13: 02 New
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      The main words, I already wrote a little lower. And as for these words:
      They fought for a just cause.
      Of course, our Soviet soldiers fought for a just cause. hi
      1. Greenwood 12 November 2019 13: 29 New
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        And here are the Soviet soldiers? The article is about an American submarine.
        1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS 12 November 2019 13: 34 New
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          So I’m talking about this and that we need to support our soldiers, not minke whales.
          1. Greenwood 12 November 2019 14: 00 New
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            Are you blind or where? Do you see references to Soviet soldiers in the article?
            1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS 12 November 2019 14: 03 New
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              Are you blind or where?
              So you should not praise the whales, but our soldiers!
              1. Greenwood 12 November 2019 14: 06 New
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                Praise both those and others. Together fought the same.
                1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS 12 November 2019 14: 08 New
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                  We always praise ours, and minke whales shook hands with us today, and a week later they turned their arms in our direction.
                  1. Greenwood 12 November 2019 14: 14 New
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                    Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
                    and a week later they turned their weapons in our direction.
                    A week later - that's another story. Here we take the times of the Second World War.
                    1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS 12 November 2019 14: 27 New
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                      As WWII is, there was still a war against the Nazis when they deployed their weapons to us in the back.
                      1. Greenwood 13 November 2019 04: 47 New
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                        Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
                        when they deployed their weapons to us in the back.
                        Oh, an alternate story has gone. lol
                      2. SERGEY SERGEEVICS 13 November 2019 08: 36 New
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                        No, the usual one that used to be taught in schools.
          2. Sling cutter 12 November 2019 14: 21 New
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            Quote: Greenwood
            Are you blind or where? Do you see references to Soviet soldiers in the article?

            And there are a lot of deaf and blind people. sad
    2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 12 November 2019 14: 13 New
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      If for you the American soldiers who fell on the battlefield of the Second World War are “minke whales,” as you write below, then I am truly sorry for you. It is sad to see that more and more of our fellow citizens are sliding into the level of Ukrainian "Svidomo".
      It is a pity that you are not able to understand the simple truth on your own - whatever you imagine there regarding the aspirations of the American elite of the WWII era, this can in no way relate to ordinary American guys who fell on the battlefields. They honestly fought against the axis countries of Berlin-Tokyo-Rome. Not always skillfully, not always successfully, but they fought and gave their lives for the victory over fascism and Japanese imperialism. What else can be required from a person?
      And therefore, at least some sane person will never sort our fallen allies on the basis of nationality, but will honor the memory of all those who, at the cost of their lives, brought the end of World War II closer.
      1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS 12 November 2019 14: 21 New
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        If for you the American soldiers who fell on the battlefield of the Second World War are “minke whales,” as you write below, then I am truly sorry for you. It is sad to see that more and more of our fellow citizens are sliding into the level of Ukrainian "Svidomo".
        The fact that we’ve already rewrote the story and you do not see anything other than the whales, they are heroes for you, and others do not. That's how they rewrite history.
        They honestly fought against the axis countries of Berlin-Tokyo-Rome. Not always skillfully, not always successfully, but they fought and gave their lives for the victory over fascism and Japanese imperialism. What else can be required from a person?
        Yes, they fought, for their own purposes, only then did these vaunted guys, as you said, in the back and deployed weapons to us. But the fact doesn’t bother you: that they saved the fascists, and then used them against us?
        And therefore, at least some sane person will never sort our fallen allies on the basis of nationality, but will honor the memory of all those who, at the cost of their lives, brought the end of World War II closer.
        Only the minke whales used this victory only for themselves, for their own purposes, and at the same time they were not bad at that, and enriched themselves on it.
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 12 November 2019 17: 11 New
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          Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
          The fact that we’ve already rewrote the story and you do not see anything other than the whales, they are heroes for you, and others do not. Here they rewrite the story

          Alas, you have black and white thinking. I haven’t written anywhere that the Soviet fallen soldiers are not heroes, I wrote that the Americans who fell in WWII battles are the same heroes as ours. But this simple thought is no longer available to you - the story is for you, this is a comic book where every character or hero or villain.
          It is impossible to rewrite history for me. The one who carefully studied the official historiography of the USSR and the many works of Russian historians, the one who read gigabytes of memoirs from Zhukov and Popel to the wonderful cycles "I Fought ..." by Drabkin, the one who studied foreign sources with interest on both sides of the front, including Churchill , Bradley, Liddel-Hart, Halder, Guderian, Manstein, Tippelskirch, Carius, Mellentin, Muller-Hillebrand, Bragadin, Mitchem-ml, Dall, Rolf and many others who did not tell you anything, who worked with documents, studied official statistics new, and later, like Krivosheev, who studied the features of military art and technical characteristics of such equipment, such a person like that here to take - and you can not rewrite history :))))
          Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
          Yes, they fought, for their own purposes, only then did these vaunted guys, as you said, in the back and deployed weapons to us. But the fact doesn’t bother you: that they saved the fascists, and then used them against us?

          It doesn’t bother you at all. But first, let’s figure out what you meant by “saved the Nazis, and then used against us” :)) So it will be clearer.
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          Only the minke whales used this victory only for themselves, for their own purposes, and at the same time they were not bad at that, and enriched themselves on it.

          Let's move from the general to the particular. How did the simple American guys Joe and Mike, who enlisted in the US Army and who died during the landing in Normandy, use the victory for themselves, and even get rich at the same time?
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          2. SERGEY SERGEEVICS 12 November 2019 17: 38 New
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            Alas, you have black and white thinking.
            As well as you, besides minke whales, there is no one else.
            I haven’t written anywhere that the Soviet fallen soldiers are not heroes, I wrote that the Americans who fell in WWII battles are the same heroes as ours.
            And you do not write anything else besides them. You have the main whales, you always talk about them.
            It is impossible to rewrite history for me. The one who carefully studied the official historiography of the USSR and the many works of Russian historians, the one who read gigabytes of memoirs from Zhukov and Popel to the wonderful cycles "I Fought ..." by Drabkin, the one who studied foreign sources with interest on both sides of the front, including Churchill , Bradley, Liddel-Hart, Halder, Guderian, Manstein, Tippelskirch, Carius, Mellentin, Muller-Hillebrand, Bragadin, Mitchem-ml, Dall, Rolf and many others who did not tell you anything, who worked with documents, studied official statistics new, and later, like Krivosheev, who studied the features of military art and technical characteristics of such equipment, such a person like that here to take - and you can not rewrite history :))))
            So I, too, do not need to tell all this, I know this in practice.

            It doesn’t bother you at all. But first, let’s figure out what you meant by “saved the Nazis, and then used against us” :)) So it will be clearer.
            Well, since you shoveled a ton of gigabytes, then you should know. How did they send units to fight against us. And intelligence too.
            Let's move from the general to the particular. How did the simple American guys Joe and Mike, who enlisted in the US Army and who died during the landing in Normandy, use the victory for themselves, and even get rich at the same time?
            All that was possible, everyone was brought home from Europe to their home.
            1. Greenwood 13 November 2019 04: 49 New
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              Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
              units sent to fight against us
              From this place in more detail please.
              1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS 13 November 2019 08: 35 New
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                You need to be more attentive, hire a tutor in history lessons at schools or a tutor and he will tell you everything. yes
      2. SERGEY SERGEEVICS 12 November 2019 14: 42 New
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        Andrei, there are even documents where minke whales used fascists against us.
        And therefore, at least some sane person will never sort our fallen allies on the basis of nationality, but will honor the memory of all those who, at the cost of their lives, brought the end of World War II closer.
        I do not divide anyone into national tributes, but I proceed from the facts that were.
        So you tell me and squeak that they were our allies, only we paid a lot of money and gold for this alliance. But is it that the allies do this to friends, they took more money and gold for the Lend-Lease than they should.
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 12 November 2019 17: 35 New
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          Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
          Andrei, there are even documents where minke whales used fascists against us.

          I'm all impatient. Demonstrate! Tell me!
          Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
          So you tell me and squeak that they were our allies, only we paid a lot of money and gold for this alliance. But is it that the allies do this to friends, they took more money and gold for the Lend-Lease than they should.

          Let’s first study the history of Lend-Lease. You will find out what this Lend-Lease was, and what the USSR had to pay for this agreement. How much it had to pay, and how much it paid. And when:))))
          Then, perhaps, you will understand that Lend-Lease was a form of rental property. That the products supplied under Lend-Lease were not subject to payment from the word “in general”. But the Americans wanted the Lend-Lease recipient to return products that the recipient country had not used up in the war. That is, if, for example, 100 tanks were delivered under Lend-Lease and 60 of them died in battle, and 40 survived to victory, then the Americans did not ask for anything for the dead tanks, but they asked for the surviving 40 to be returned to them. But we agreed to sell these 40 tanks, if the recipient country does not want to return them. We did not want to return part of the property, we paid part, but we owe it to the Americans for a land lease so far :))))))) For sure, on 2013 .
          The USSR received aid under Lend-Lease for 11,3 billion dollars. The final settlement amount was determined in the end at 722 million dollars.
          The USSR in WWII did pay the USA certain amounts, but these were transactions on property not related to Lend-Lease, when we bought something that was not on the list of Lend-Lease supplies. And yes, there was also a reverse Lend-Lease - in the amount of approximately 4% of the cost of products delivered to us from the USA.
          1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS 12 November 2019 17: 42 New
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            I'm all impatient. Demonstrate! Tell me!
            Already told and wrote everything. I studied everything else and I know. And you probably are taught differently in schools now, since this is what you write? Or do you personally, probably learn from Western census history. But what about all those flooded convoys that we then paid for them?
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 13 November 2019 16: 51 New
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              Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
              Already told and wrote everything. I studied everything else and I know.

              Have you learned something from the tale "Gingerbread Man"? Or have they already grown to Teremka? :)))
              Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
              And you probably are taught differently in schools now, since this is what you write? Or do you personally, probably learn from Western census history.

              I have given you several authors, on which I studied the history of WWII. Here you should have realized that your knowledge is completely out of tune with mine and passed back. But no - instead, you continue to act according to the usual discussion template :)))
              Do you really understand how ridiculous you look when you hint that I'm a schoolboy? I repeat, I am sorry for you.
              Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
              But what about all those flooded convoys that we then paid for them?

              Which ones? Let me tell you a laugh hunting. What sunken convoys did the USSR pay for? And don’t need childish excuses like this:
              Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
              You need to be more attentive, hire a tutor in history lessons at schools or a tutor and he will tell you everything.

              Because, firstly, I know the history of WWII somewhere an order of magnitude better than the average teacher or tutor, and secondly, both the history teacher and the tutor would take a belt and inflate you for the nonsense that you write.
              Please explain on the merits of the question: what are the sunken convoys for which the USSR paid.
              Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
              Well, since you shoveled a ton of gigabytes, then you should know. How did they send units to fight against us. And intelligence too.

              I know something. You do not know :)))) And I can’t guess what exactly you took for "sent to fight against us." You, excuse me, instead of knowing the history of WWII - some enchanting fantasy.
              So let's share your misconceptions, and I, so be it, will explain what you made a mistake
              1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS 13 November 2019 17: 16 New
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                Have you learned something from the tale "Gingerbread Man"? Or have they already grown to Teremka? :)))
                Take it higher?
                I have given you several authors, on which I studied the history of WWII.
                Well done, good you need to know your story. yes
                Here you should have realized that your knowledge is completely out of tune with mine and passed back.
                As for all of what you said, I certainly doubt it. Well, since that time you beat your chest in your chest and said and proved that you are a moderator and write articles. But you write articles, so be it, I will not oppress you laughing . If you consider yourself a moderator or who you are, the author of the articles, it should be a shame that you are arranging such a clowning. If something doesn’t suit you, you could have been blacklisted for a long time and there would have been no problem with all this clowning.
                But no - instead, you continue to act according to the usual discussion template :)))
                Just like you, according to your scheme, I work.
                Do you really understand how ridiculous you look when you hint that I'm a schoolboy?
                Just like you. When you start to write similar and at the same time, you also justify yourself on the similarity of this.
                Because, firstly, I know the history of WWII somewhere an order of magnitude better than the average teacher or tutor, and secondly, both the history teacher and the tutor would take a belt and inflate you for the nonsense that you write.

                What sunken convoys did the USSR pay for?
                Those that were flooded by the Germans, who walked across the northern path.
                I know something. You do not know:))))
                Well done, you need to know your story.
                So let's share your misconceptions, and I, so be it, will explain what you made a mistake
                You better save these forces for the article, there they will be more needed.
      3. SERGEY SERGEEVICS 12 November 2019 14: 55 New
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        And one more question for you and I will not bother you anymore. What do you think minke whales, and that’s all ... what they did right or not when they started to destroy Serbia. hi
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 12 November 2019 17: 36 New
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          What do you think minke whales, and that’s all ... what they did right or not when they started to destroy Serbia.

          No, this was done in order to undermine the power of the euro, which threatened the dollar, through the war in Europe.
          1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS 12 November 2019 17: 40 New
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            Do you really believe in these tales?
          2. SERGEY SERGEEVICS 12 November 2019 17: 53 New
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            to undermine the power of the euro, threatening the dollar, by the war in Europe.
            Only this power they, no longer had, after WWII and all this power, was already at the minke whales.
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 13 November 2019 16: 53 New
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              Only this power they, no longer had, after WWII and all this power, was already at the minke whales.

              M-dya, in the economy you understand even less than in military affairs. It is difficult to understand how this is possible, because in the latter your "knowledge" is measured in negative quantities ...
              1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS 13 November 2019 17: 22 New
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                M-dya, in the economy you understand even less than in military affairs.
                I don’t need to know the economy, there are economists for this.
                It is difficult to understand how this is possible, because in the latter your "knowledge" is measured in negative quantities ...
                Just like you. And because there are so few minuses, it’s weak to put or wind up 30 minuses or pluses in one comment immediately and immediately to the blacklist. After this number of minuses, the eternal blacklist is added immediately and the problem will be immediately solved.
  • Nycomed 12 November 2019 12: 22 New
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    Everlasting memory!
    1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS 12 November 2019 12: 52 New
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      You are better off worrying about our soldiers than about them. (Even if you live in ** Kuev **). yes
      1. Nycomed 12 November 2019 13: 13 New
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        I worry about everyone. I don’t live in Kuyev.
        1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS 12 November 2019 13: 39 New
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          I worry about everyone
          No need so, the heart is not rubber. wink Better then for ours, and for minke whales, there is someone to worry about. yes
          I don’t live in Kuyev.
          That's good.
      2. Alexey RA 12 November 2019 13: 45 New
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        Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
        You are better off worrying about our soldiers than about them. (Even if you live in ** Kuev **). yes

        As I understand it, what would be better for you if Japan attacked us in 1941?
        You can have a different attitude to the pre-war US policy towards Japan. Yes, the United States solved its missions in MOT, in China and Southeast Asia (it would be strange if they suddenly became altruists, ready to cover the USSR with wide breasts). But it was precisely this policy that led Japan to fight with the United States, and not with us. And the US military fought with our enemy, who under other conditions would have attacked us in the summer of 1941.
        1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS 12 November 2019 13: 53 New
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          As I understand it, what would be better for you if Japan attacked us in 1941?
          You poorly understand, it would probably be grace for you, if you write this. In general, where do I come from? If there are historical facts where Japan did not attack and could not do this, since she learned the lesson very well at Khalkhin Gol.
          Yes, the United States solved its missions in MOT, in China and Southeast Asia (it would be strange if they suddenly became altruists, ready to cover the USSR with wide breasts). But it was precisely this policy that led Japan to fight with the United States, and not with us.
          With the help of the British, they only solved these problems.
          And the US military fought with our enemy, who under other conditions would have attacked us in the summer of 1941.
          With the help of others, they fought.
          1. Greenwood 12 November 2019 14: 03 New
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            Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
            With the help of the British, they only solved these problems.
            Yes Yes. In 1941, the British only fought with the Japanese. lol
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            With the help of others, they fought.
            So who ended up winning the Pacific War?
            1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS 12 November 2019 14: 05 New
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              Yes Yes. In 1941, the British only fought with the Japanese.
              And why didn’t they fight with Japan?
              1. Greenwood 12 November 2019 14: 12 New
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                And why didn’t they fight with Japan?
                The capture of the British colonies by Japan is not a war. This is a capture.
                1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS 12 November 2019 14: 25 New
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                  About how it turns out, but what about Churchill’s words ** If it weren’t for the war with Japan, we would have had enough money to keep India **
                  1. Alexey RA 12 November 2019 16: 54 New
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                    Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
                    About how it turns out, but what about Churchill’s words ** If it weren’t for the war with Japan, we would have had enough money to keep India **

                    And these Churchill’s words do not speak about the number of forces and means involved against Japan, but that in December 1941 Britain’s capabilities were at its limit, and even a straw of SEA for the British camel was already an overwhelming additional burden. In real life, the British army in Malaya in 1941 was "third grade - not marriage." In 1942, the situation did not improve - Operation Anakim and Hide and Seek of Somerville Squadron are an example of this. The Japanese managed to advance and set up a cauldron for the British even in 1944.
                    1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS 12 November 2019 17: 13 New
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                      This suggests that all the money was spent on the war with Japan.
                      1. Alexey RA 12 November 2019 19: 13 New
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                        Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
                        This suggests that all the money was spent on the war with Japan.

                        This suggests that SE TVD for Britain was not the main one. Metropolis, Atlantic, North Africa - all the forces went there.
                        The offensive in Burma in 1942 was carried out by the forces of the whole 14th division, which was held by two Japanese battalions. Then the approaching Japanese reinforcements drove the division almost to the border of India.
                        And all the enormous numbers of British forces — 450 troops in India in 000 — are the cunning of statistics. In the same way, the Moscow defense zone with its air defense, reserves and combat armies was recorded in the forces of the USSR near Moscow.
                      2. SERGEY SERGEEVICS 13 November 2019 08: 45 New
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                        This suggests that there was no more money, and not about your fantasies. Fantastic books did not try to write?
        2. Alexey RA 12 November 2019 16: 25 New
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          If there are historical facts where Japan did not attack and could not do this, since she learned the lesson very well at Khalkhin Gol.

          Japan could not attack because it was cut off from oil supplies. After the introduction of the oil embargo, the Empire had only one possible strike option - to the south, to capture oil production and refining in the Dutch and British colonies. The northern option for the fleet, and for the leadership of the army in the Metropolis completely disappeared. There is no oil in the north, so a war with the USSR in 1941 would lead Japan to suicide: running out of oil reserves, even if the war was successful, left Japan defenseless and threatened the operations of the Expeditionary Force in China. For its own oil production provided no more than 10-15% of the needs of peacetime.
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          With the help of the British, they only solved these problems.

          The British stopped the Japanese only because the Japanese were physically unable to continue the offensive. In total, the powerful British army distracted 5-6 Japanese divisions. Moreover, the British managed to arrange meat grinders and failed attacks even with multiple superiority in forces.
          And the British offensive became possible only after the threat from the Japanese fleet was eliminated, and the Japanese army in Southeast Asia was significantly weakened due to supply problems and, in general, with the production of weapons in the Metropolis. And it was not Royal Navy who did all this.
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          With the help of others, they fought.

          Yeah ... for example at sea - with the help of the only British AUG, which arrived on the theater of war already in 1945. And how briskly the British army helped the Americans advance on the Japanese Metropolis - by jumping on the atolls and in the Philippines ... smile
          1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS 12 November 2019 17: 07 New
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            Japan could not attack because it was cut off from oil supplies
            laughing No. (Where do you get such information? From a new census history?) Japan did not attack us because: They had two options. First option. One part of the generals believed that it was necessary to attack the USSR. And they will win a crushing victory according to the experience of 1905 and thereby provide themselves with everything necessary. The second option. The second part thought they needed to arrange maritime spanish and capture other states in the Pacific Ocean. The emperor chose the first option, but before attacking the USSR, he tested his army at Khalkhin Gol, after the defeat, he abandoned the first option and chose the second. Here is a documentary film that says everything about it. Https: //tvzvezda.ru /news/qhistory/content/2019981544-Cugeq.html. With the victory at Khalkhin Gol, they did not attack us.
            The British stopped the Japanese only because the Japanese were physically unable to continue the offensive.
            The British and Minke whales stopped the Japanese because: Already at the end of WWII, the USSR began to fight against Japan. Here was the final victory.
            1. Alexey RA 12 November 2019 20: 03 New
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              Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
              The emperor chose the first option, but before attacking the USSR, he tested his army at Khalkhin Gol, after the defeat, he abandoned the first option and chose the second.

              Yes, there was no such division in Japan. Everything was much more complicated there - there were at least three army positions alone: ​​the Expeditionary Force advocated expansion into China, the Kwantung Army (remaining aloof from fighting and honors) dreamed of a war with the USSR, and the General Staff in the Metropolis tried to kill the Quantumans (for those who wanted to see TB) -3 and DB-3 over the Metropolis were few) and fought for the budget with the fleet. At the same time, the army did not even have unity among these groups: the army was divided into groups closely associated with the industrial zaibatsu clans and expressing their interests. In short, the adder was still there. And the will of the Emperor was almost always determined after the fact, the winners in internal political disputes.
              Moreover, these disputes reached the cutting out by the army officers of the Empire’s senior leadership and the fleet’s return landing to restore order.

              Specifically, Khalkhin-Gol was an initiative of the frostbitten Kwantungs who decided that changing the border with Mongolia would get away with it: the USSR would not climb into such a bearish corner. And the forces of the Red Army in the Far East after Hassan were rated low.
              If Khalkhin-Gol (and Hasan) were the initiative of the Center, then the Kwantungs would not have to, for example, rake out planes from training units in order to somehow compensate for the losses.
              Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
              With the victory at Khalkhin Gol, they did not attack us.

              Let's just say there are two factors. The northern option promised Japan heavy fighting and zero gain. There were practically no useful developed resources for Far East at the end of the 30s needed by Japan. Coal was also in Manchuria (by the way, the Kwantung army and its zaibatsu flew by with Manchuria - instead of skimming the cream after the capture, the industrialists had to invest money and effort for 8 years in order to get at least some kind of return). And the oil of Soviet North Sakhalin was already half produced by the Japanese under a concession agreement (the Japanese left it only in 1943).
              Japan needed its own oil. At any cost. The war in China and the 90% dependence on oil imports did not combine at all - at any time, Britain and the United States, dissatisfied with Japan’s expansion in China, could block Japan’s oxygen. The Navy understood this back in the 30s - and therefore looked to the south and east. The army realized this in 1939 - when Roosevelt began to tighten the screws with his "moral embargoes" (which became mandatory in fact - for violators flew past sharply increased army orders).
              1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS 13 November 2019 08: 38 New
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                Will you calm down your fantasies, is more truth to historians than to dreamers?
                1. Alexey RA 13 November 2019 11: 10 New
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                  Will you calm down your fantasies, is more truth to historians than to dreamers?

                  To historians or propagandists?
                  And then, according to the same Khalkhin-Gol, the current hurray historians really do not like to recall the same conclusion of the Voroshilov commission:
                  Comrade Stalin ... As expected, there were no divisions in the encirclement, the enemy either managed to withdraw the main forces, or rather, there were no large forces in this area for a long time, and a specially trained garrison was sitting, which is now completely destroyed. ..

                  However, at the pace of advancement of the Red Army "25 km in 4 days" it is not surprising that the main Japanese forces left the planned boiler.

                  And about "fantasies" - read the same Mozheiko or Takushiro Hattori: how decisions were made by the Japanese military and political elite, and how these decisions were embodied on the ground. Or they didn’t incarnate - for the Japanese “field commanders” believed that they knew the situation on the ground better than the Foreign Ministry of the Empire or even their own superiors, and often acted as they considered necessary, and not as ordered.
                  1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS 13 November 2019 11: 20 New
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                    There are historical documents smile they are more reliable somehow than someone else’s comments. yes
            2. SovAr238A 12 November 2019 20: 50 New
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              Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
              Japan could not attack because it was cut off from oil supplies
              laughing No. (Where do you get such information? From a new census history?) Japan did not attack us because: They had two options. First option. One part of the generals believed that it was necessary to attack the USSR. And they will win a crushing victory according to the experience of 1905 and thereby provide themselves with everything necessary. The second option. The second part thought they needed to arrange maritime spanish and capture other states in the Pacific Ocean. The emperor chose the first option, but before attacking the USSR, he tested his army at Khalkhin Gol, after the defeat, he abandoned the first option and chose the second. Here is a documentary film that says everything about it. Https: //tvzvezda.ru /news/qhistory/content/2019981544-Cugeq.html. With the victory at Khalkhin Gol, they did not attack us.
              The British stopped the Japanese only because the Japanese were physically unable to continue the offensive.
              The British and Minke whales stopped the Japanese because: Already at the end of WWII, the USSR began to fight against Japan. Here was the final victory.


              Ipa ...
              That's really a person with an alternative history ...

              I taught history from books of the 50s-70s - and I dare to assure that Sergey Sergeyevich has a Cuckoo not in the forest ...
              An alternativeist who grew up on books about fellow travelers and the alternative genre fiction genre fashionable in some circles ...
              1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS 13 November 2019 08: 42 New
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                The books were poorly taught, probably they were used for kindling, from here you and the cuckoo are not in the woods, and your imagination is rushing, WHAT DO WE SMOKE or no longer help, do we use more serious ones?
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      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 12 November 2019 14: 16 New
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        No, so far only one
  • Sergelis 12 November 2019 12: 24 New
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    Dead memory - remember alive and not forget.
    those who stayed there knew what they were ready to die for. that’s for them and eternal memory.
  • bubalik 12 November 2019 12: 45 New
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    USS Grayback

  • Ross xnumx 12 November 2019 12: 53 New
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    The discovery was completely at the final stage searches when the team lost faith in success, and the equipment needed repair. When viewing the latest recordings from an underwater drone, the submarine was suddenly discovered.

    It is these facts that confirm God-pleasing business. It is such such cases that speak of the unspent humanity of search engines.
    Eternal peace to the sailors who gave their lives for peace.
  • Dikson 12 November 2019 13: 39 New
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    Be that as it may - they were found and they returned home ... Warriors of their country. Eternal peace.
  • Vkd dvk 12 November 2019 18: 51 New
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    The United States has not fought with anyone. you can easily track how many Nazis they saved and warmed. raised their GDP at the expense of blood. something like this.

    In vain you are so. If the Russians (and other nationalities of the USSR) fought in the army of Vlasov, then we did not participate in the Great War? The sailors died honestly doing their duty. And they are not responsible for politicians who speculate in their lives. Curses must be sent ADDRESSED, and not indiscriminately to everyone.
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    After the introduction of the oil embargo, the Empire remained with only one possible strike option - to the south, to capture oil production and refining in the Dutch and British colonies.

    Not true. In any case, there is a second option. And remember that the exit from the maze is where the entrance is. To terminate (or not conclude at all) with Hitler an agreement on the participation of the war on his side. Do not conduct aggression in China. They destroyed the Chinese more than we lost in the war. They estimate that there were about 47 million people killed. Hundreds of countries that do not behave in this way were not attacked either by the USSR or the United States.
    1. Alexey RA 13 November 2019 12: 25 New
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      Quote: wkd dvk
      In any case, there is a second option. And remember that the exit from the maze is where the entrance is. To terminate (or not conclude at all) with Hitler an agreement on the participation of the war on his side. Do not conduct aggression in China.

      Well, we are talking about real Japan of the 30s, which considered itself a Great Power and a regional leader in the west of MOT, in China and in SEA. And not about the country of pink ponies. smile
      The agreement with Hitler can be terminated. But leaving China will not work: too many political and economic interests in the Empire are tied to expansion to the mainland. Yes, and the IJA will simply gobble up the one who proposed this - for "belittling honor."
      In addition, Japan was not the only one climbing into China. And China, in fact, didn’t exist - there was a patchwork of territories controlled by warlords who constantly fought, reconciled, broke the ceasefire, entered into alliances, broke alliances, etc. The same Generalissimo Chan was only first among equals. And only the Great Helmsman managed to gather China under one roof.
      Quote: wkd dvk
      Hundreds of countries that do not behave in this way were not attacked either by the USSR or the United States.

      Yeah ... for example, neutral Norway, whose occupation by Great Britain was only a day late. Or US-occupied Iceland. Or Romania (since we started talking about the USSR).