Ynet: Submarine of the Russian Navy was discovered in the territorial waters of Israel

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Ynet: Submarine of the Russian Navy was discovered in the territorial waters of Israel

Israeli media publish materials alleging the activity of Russian submarines in the eastern Mediterranean Sea, including in the immediate vicinity of the coast of Israel.

So, the Ynet information service, citing sources in the Israeli military, writes that the Russian submarine was discovered by the IDF Navy missile corvette, allegedly just 15 km from the coast - in the Gush Dan area (the largest metropolitan area in Israel, including Tel Aviv) .



From the material:

A Russian submarine was discovered by an Israeli corvette just 8 nautical miles deep in the territorial waters of Israel.

Recall that the concept of “territorial waters” extends to a zone with a width of 12 nautical miles (22,22 km) from the coast of the country.

Ynet writes that this “incident” occurred about three months ago. Then, as journalist Itai Blumenthal writes, the Israeli military command via special communication channels notified its Russian colleagues. After that, the Russian submarine (its data, including the name, are not reported) “left the territorial waters of Israel in a westerly direction”.

Meanwhile, Israel reminds that the forces of the Russian Navy fleet previously conducted exercises "Ocean Shield", including with the development of operations in the Eastern Mediterranean.

Recall that in Russia in the eastern Mediterranean Sea there is a concentrated grouping of ships and auxiliary vessels, which also ensure the effectiveness of counter-terrorism operations in Syria. For the logistics of this group, the MTO point in Syrian Tartus is used.

The Russian Ministry of Defense has not yet commented on materials from the Israeli media regarding the alleged entry of the Russian Navy submarine into the territorial waters of Israel.
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  1. +2
    12 November 2019 06: 17
    Get used to it. Although they should have gotten used to it.
    1. -31
      12 November 2019 07: 46
      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      Get used to it. Although they should have gotten used to it.

      1. Get used to the failures of submariners? This is exactly what happened because the submarine was discovered and expelled. In person is not the professionalism of command. You can’t get caught.
      2. Such travels in foreign territorial waters may end in disaster for the "lost". Well at least they did not take it for an Iranian submarine and didn’t sink it hot, otherwise again a sea of ​​screams would be about "set up" or "shot in the back."
      3. This "news" was announced several months ago.
      1. +11
        12 November 2019 08: 22
        Those. Xnumx miles bullshit? Opposite the largest metropolitan area?

        While creating a comment, you have already set 2 minuses. This is probably because the boat was not indicated in the surface or underwater position. feel And was there?
        1. -36
          12 November 2019 08: 44
          Quote: IL-18
          Those. Xnumx miles bullshit? Opposite the largest metropolitan area?

          While creating a comment, you have already set 2 minuses. This is probably because the boat was not indicated in the surface or underwater position. feel And was there?

          She was escorted when she was at this distance (by the way, why did the submarine climb so close?). Have her before. Slavab-gu is what.

          Quote from S.S.R.
          Do you understand that this looks like complete nonsense ?!
          Please tell me why do this?

          I myself do not understand why it was so close to go ashore and take such a risk?

          Quote from S.S.R.
          Why would she swim so close? This one and two is essentially a violation of borders, which ours usually do not suffer.

          Maybe they mistakenly wandered in the wrong way, like Su-24 to Turkey?
          1. +24
            12 November 2019 09: 47
            Quote: professor
            She was escorted when she was at this distance (by the way, why did the submarine climb so close?). Have her before. Slavab-gu is what.

            Where does it come from that they used to drive? In theory, they would have led earlier, would have poked on the way to ter. waters. The course is understandable if "taught before."

            Quote: professor
            I myself do not understand why it was so close to go ashore and take such a risk?

            In my opinion, there is absolutely no need. In my opinion, there can be no combat mission here, except perhaps reconnaissance of anti-aircraft defense systems in this sector. By the way, why didn't you indicate the type of boat? And then the Norwegians, too, once every six months, on average, "find and successfully drive out" our submarines. Who ever came up with that?

            Quote: professor
            Maybe they mistakenly wandered in the wrong way, like Su-24 to Turkey?


            If this is such a joke, Professor, then the head is too big, you know.
            1. -37
              12 November 2019 09: 53
              Quote: abc_alex
              Where does it come from that they used to drive? In theory, they would have led earlier, would have poked on the way to ter. waters. The course is understandable if "taught before."

              This follows from reports made a couple of months ago.

              Quote: abc_alex
              In my opinion, there is absolutely no need. In my opinion, there can be no combat mission here, except perhaps reconnaissance of anti-aircraft defense systems in this sector. By the way, why didn't you indicate the type of boat? And then the Norwegians, too, once every six months, on average, "find and successfully drive out" our submarines. Who ever came up with that?

              Not for a second I have no doubt whose submarines are trolling the Norwegians. We can sink.

              Quote: abc_alex
              If this is such a joke, Professor, then the head is too big, you know.

              Do you think it was clever to fly through the territory of Turkey or was it clever to send IL-18 to the line of fire?

              Quote: V.I.F. (V.I.F.)
              What is your evidence?


              None. There is no body and no business. Our MO is wet, your MO is silent.
              1. +20
                12 November 2019 10: 01
                Quote: professor
                This follows from reports made a couple of months ago.

                Offer to take your word for it? laughing
                You know, unfortunately, the representatives of your, ahem, culture have a certain image that does not allow any sane person to take your word for it. Just do not be offended by me for these words, not I created this image for you, but you yourself))
                1. -27
                  12 November 2019 10: 23
                  Quote: V.I.F.
                  Quote: professor
                  This follows from reports made a couple of months ago.

                  Offer to take your word for it? laughing
                  You know, unfortunately, the representatives of your, ahem, culture have a certain image that does not allow any sane person to take your word for it. Just do not be offended by me for these words, not I created this image for you, but you yourself))

                  I suggest you not only not to believe me (us), but also not to communicate with us (with me). In any case, I am sending you to the ignore list. I have such an image today. In the navy, a couple of decades ago, I would have slapped you on your "image", but today I do not waste time on such.

                  Quote: abc_alex
                  Ordered to believe?

                  https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-5623429,00.html
                  Quote: abc_alex
                  And in response we shunned something vigorous that they would not lose their shores. Let's blow the cheeks further?

                  We saw you shy away from something vigorous when the Turks shot down your plane. The Turks didn’t even apologize, and you put C-400 on credit to them. Let's blow the cheeks further?

                  Quote: abc_alex
                  And let's talk about the fate of Israeli prisoners of war in neighboring countries. Do you think it was clever to leave them captive, for example in Egypt?

                  Let's speculate. What is wrong with them?

                  Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                  And this fact was definitely ?! Maybe it's all the fantasies of pro-Western journalists who decided to whip Russophobic sentiments.

                  Ron Ben Ishai did not bother his reputation and enjoys well-deserved respect. You have no such journalists. If at all you can call anyone a journalist.
                  Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                  I just don’t understand and don’t see the point of why the Russian diesel-electric submarines come so close to the shores of Israel? What to check?

                  I suppose that the territorial waters of Israel are protected not only by corvettes, but also by some system from the set of GAS established along the perimeter of the territorial waters of Israel.

                  https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-5623429,00.html
                  1. +20
                    12 November 2019 10: 40
                    Quote: professor
                    would give you according to your "image"

                    I have a strong feeling that the new style of Israeli propaganda is the "lapdog style". The meaning is not tricky: you should bark loudly for any reason and without it, hoping that those around you will consider you a formidable beast and will not get involved.

                    Quote: professor
                    do not communicate with us (with me)

                    Offer to be silent when you spread knowingly false information? I have no doubt that it would be very convenient for you laughing

                    https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-5623429,00.html

                    This is again a reference to unsubstantiated statements by representatives of your own culture, so to speak. Once again: sorry, but the image is not the one to believe this word request . Realize already at last and begin to operate with evidence, otherwise it is not serious.

                    Quote: professor
                    Ron Ben Ishai did not tarnish his reputation

                    Again unfounded statement. Do you understand whose propaganda tool he is and what is the belief in this propaganda in the world?

                    Quote: professor
                    We saw you shy away from something vigorous

                    And we saw how quickly Netanyahu rushed to the Kremlin for sins to atone for after our incident. Of course, he had nothing to be afraid of, he was just so slim))))
                2. +12
                  12 November 2019 12: 19
                  Quote: V.I.F.
                  your representatives, ahem, culture have a certain image

                  +1
                  Everything has its consequences. Even within the framework of this site, one cannot constantly operate with unreliable information, citing it in the form of statements, and then take offense at the fact that, in principle, they no longer trust you. And this is a general emphasis on a specific set of local commentators, whose personalities are united by belonging to a certain nationality. Gentlemen, it is you yourself who are creating here such an unflattering image of your people and, alas, there is no one to blame you. You should thank the comrade for the question raised, and you grind your teeth at it - it's silly.
                3. -1
                  12 November 2019 17: 17
                  Quote: V.I.F.
                  I didn’t create this image for you, but you yourself))

                  Let's not talk about the image of the Russian Federation, he ... well, okay. And in fact, questions arise. An Israeli corvette, patrolling the neighborhood, discovers a black hole along the way. This ship is quite worthy, but not the freshest. I found a hole in the aisle. The question is, is this hole really black? Further. The Israelis on the hotline immediately contacted the command of the Russian troops in Syria on the topic - isn’t you here by chance, lost- or drown? Since the boat continued to move in a friendly company, the answer was clear. But the question is different. Why did they immediately turn to the military of the Russian Federation? could there be Turks, and French, and Italians ... Or do Israeli acoustics know the acoustic profile of the hole? And of course, the corvette did not deny itself the pleasure of politely following the submarine into international waters. Supplemented their knowledge of her acoustic portrait. But the next time, it may not take a ride, there are Israeli gas platforms nearby. In their waters sank an unidentified object, what claims? Stray off course? Well ... learn materiel. And there will be nothing to argue.
              2. +5
                12 November 2019 10: 08
                Quote: professor
                This follows from reports made a couple of months ago.


                Ordered to believe?

                Quote: professor
                Not for a second I have no doubt whose submarines are trolling the Norwegians. We can sink.

                And in response we shunned something vigorous that they would not lose their shores. Let's blow the cheeks further?

                Quote: professor
                Do you think it was clever to fly through the territory of Turkey or was it clever to send IL-18 to the line of fire?

                And let's talk about the fate of Israeli prisoners of war in neighboring countries. Do you think it was clever to leave them captive, for example in Egypt?
              3. +7
                12 November 2019 10: 11
                Quote: professor
                IL-18


                After the murder of our flyers and passengers by the Jews of IL-18, Netanyahu abandoned everything and flew away with sins. Do you think that after an attack on our submarine his bruising of his forehead against the marble floors of our Kremlin will once again save you? Very stupid to hope so.
              4. +1
                12 November 2019 17: 20
                Quote: professor
                We can sink.

                We may remove your misunderstanding from the world map, to the delight of the Arabs.
                And you will again hang around the world, like rootless watchdogs.
                1. -10
                  12 November 2019 20: 28
                  Quote: kventinasd
                  Quote: professor
                  We can sink.

                  We may remove your misunderstanding from the world map, to the delight of the Arabs.
                  And you will again hang around the world, like rootless watchdogs.

                  You can’t. Have the Turks got off with tomatoes?
                2. +4
                  12 November 2019 22: 33
                  Quote: kventinasd
                  again hanging around the world like rootless watchdogs.

                  Well, those who are stray here are not accustomed to pressing around the world in search of nishtyaks. Yes
          2. +8
            12 November 2019 09: 48
            Quote: professor
            Led her before

            What is your evidence?
            In black and white:
            was found Israeli corvette just 8 nautical miles

            I repeat, the posted information just said about the discovery of 8 miles. You write that this happened earlier. So simple-heartedly wishful thinking is characteristic of small children. For an adult, it smells like some kind of unpleasant diagnosis.
            1. +5
              12 November 2019 09: 57
              Yeah, they found it, and even three months ago, unless our own surfaced and waved with a pen.
          3. +5
            12 November 2019 12: 12
            Quote: professor
            She was escorted when she was at this distance (by the way, why did the submarine climb so close?). Have her before. Slavab-gu is what.

            Oleg, your explanations are quite clear. But here’s an article on this subject,
            https://nashe.orbita.co.il/read/82924 , "Как сообщает Ynet, спецслужбы Израиля не располагают информацией о том, сколько времени российская субмарина стояла у берегов Израиля и был ли нанесен ущерб безопасности государства. Пресс-служба ЦАХАЛ отказалась от комментариев инцидента." Если верить этой информации, то ПЛ не "вели", а все таки обнаружили в своих территориальных водах.
          4. +2
            12 November 2019 20: 08
            Quote: professor
            Led her before

            Yes? That's how it was DETECTED 8 miles from the largest metropolitan area. The article would be read before commenting.
            For the most part, your fellow tribesmen were in the ideological and propaganda departments, sectors of party organizations in the USSR. Until now, the ideology cannot be restored in any way. Better hydroponics grow.
          5. +2
            12 November 2019 21: 23
            do not choke on the sharpness about the su-24, it hurts your mouth is wide, but regarding the discovery of the submarine as a failure I fully support you.
          6. 0
            14 November 2019 00: 47
            Was she expelled when she did her job and surfaced for decency? I hope she dumped waste products into your waters
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      2. SSR
        +5
        12 November 2019 08: 32
        Quote: professor
        1. Get used to the failures of submariners? This is exactly what happened because the submarine was discovered and expelled.

        Do you understand that this looks like complete nonsense ?!
        Please tell me why do this?
        writes that the Russian submarine was discovered by a rocket corvette of the IDF Navy supposedly only 15 km from the coast

        Why would she swim so close? This one and two is essentially a violation of borders, which ours usually do not suffer.
      3. +8
        12 November 2019 08: 35
        This is exactly what happened because the submarine was discovered and expelled .... judging by the provided image, this is a frog type of Agost, why were the allies expelled?
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      5. +6
        12 November 2019 09: 56
        Oh, I beg you. The diesel went to recharge and turned on the diesel. They spotted. Do you consider the sea component stronger than the mattress think chtol? They spotted. Striped people have already seen our boats when ours wanted to appear to them, and you are so classy - spotted. Yeah - keep your pocket wider.
      6. +2
        12 November 2019 10: 02
        Get used to the failures of submariners? This is exactly what happened because the submarine was discovered and expelled. In person is not the professionalism of command. You can’t get caught.


        And this fact was definitely ?! Maybe it's all the fantasies of pro-Western journalists who decided to whip Russophobic sentiments.

        I just don’t understand and don’t see the point of why the Russian diesel-electric submarines come so close to the shores of Israel? What to check?

        I suppose that the territorial waters of Israel are protected not only by corvettes, but also by some system from the set of GAS established along the perimeter of the territorial waters of Israel.
      7. +5
        12 November 2019 10: 14
        Stop whining. Learn to write without mistakes.
      8. +9
        12 November 2019 11: 01
        Quote: professor
        2. Such travels in foreign territorial waters may end in disaster for the "lost". Well at least they did not take it for an Iranian submarine and didn’t sink it hot, otherwise again a sea of ​​screams would be about "set up" or "shot in the back."

        Maybe the goal was to make you understand that you are vulnerable and you shouldn’t do provocations like the one when you set our plane under attack from Syrian air defense?
        1. -26
          12 November 2019 11: 35
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          Maybe the goal was to make you understand that you are vulnerable and you shouldn’t do provocations like the one when you set our plane under attack from Syrian air defense?

          Turkey shot down your plane - received at your expense C-400 and technology for it. Syria shot down your plane - received for your C-300. Maybe, logically, we should also bring down something of yours or sink it? Joke.
          1. +15
            12 November 2019 12: 47
            Turkey shot down your plane - received at your expense C-400 and technology for it. Syria shot down your plane - received for your C-300. Maybe, logically, we should also bring down something of yours or sink it? Joke.

            yeah there is an option to get poplar with home delivery and then the whole region will breathe quietly, a joke)))
            1. +10
              12 November 2019 13: 05
              Quote: loki565
              yeah there is an option to get poplar with home delivery and then the whole region will breathe quietly, a joke)))

              Vova is not in favor today, which is fair, but his phrase about striking the centers of decision-making is quite adequate. Specifically in the case of Israel - it is enough to work on government facilities, headquarters, airfields, "roll up" its air defense, directed against improvised Palestinian missiles - all this is even easier to do than working on barmaley in Syria (you still need to look for them there, but here - everything stands at known places). And the rest will be completed by those whose blood Israel has been drinking all these years.
              1. +2
                12 November 2019 13: 07
                Vova is not in favor today, which is fair, but his phrase about striking the centers of decision-making is quite adequate. Specifically in the case of Israel - it is enough to work on government facilities, headquarters, airfields, "roll up" its air defense against improvised Palestinian missiles - this is even easier than working on barmaley in Syria (you still have to look for them there, but here everything is worth on known places). And the rest will be completed by those whose blood Israel has been drinking all these years.

                it’s easier to lift the ban on the sale of certain types of weapons to Iran, etc.
                1. +6
                  12 November 2019 13: 16
                  It goes without saying. But to work out the places from which the treacherous attack was committed against us, after we forgave the first attack, would be a matter of honor.
                  1. -3
                    12 November 2019 17: 29
                    Quote: V.I.F.
                    a treacherous attack was committed on us,

                    I continue your thought, while our warship violated the border and entered other people's territorial waters ...
                    1. +2
                      12 November 2019 17: 37
                      Quote: shahor
                      our warship violated the border

                      1. There is no evidence for that, and moreover no reason.
                      2. I know whose military equipment regularly violates the borders of other states in this region, including those states that we are currently helping to ensure security. In order for your border to be respected, you must respect strangers, otherwise you should not strain too much.
            2. -14
              12 November 2019 13: 43
              Quote: loki565
              Turkey shot down your plane - received at your expense C-400 and technology for it. Syria shot down your plane - received for your C-300. Maybe, logically, we should also bring down something of yours or sink it? Joke.

              yeah there is an option to get poplar with home delivery and then the whole region will breathe quietly, a joke)))

              Using the example of downed aircraft, one can draw the completely opposite conclusion.
            3. -3
              13 November 2019 16: 39
              About poplar, weakly unambiguous!
          2. +12
            12 November 2019 12: 53
            Quote: professor
            Turkey shot down your plane

            What publicly repented. Believe it or not, it’s not so important, it’s important that Turkey was tilted even without the use of military force.

            Quote: professor
            Syria shot down your plane

            When a passenger is pushed from a peron under a train, blaming the train is the height of stupidity. Even more stupid it is necessary to be, having pushed a person under a train, regularly raise this topic and publicly blame the train. Does your deed give you some nasty pleasure? You can not resist, once again not relishing the death of our military? This smells, I repeat, of certain mental disorders. Let's look for their reason: you were wronged here, in due time, right? Not appreciated?

            Quote: professor
            Maybe, logically, we should also bring down something of yours or sink it?

            I will repeat myself. You are already responsible for the death of our plane. Netanyahu went to beg for this guilt. To believe that he will be able to get "forgiveness" again means not to shine with intellect.
          3. +15
            12 November 2019 12: 55
            Quote: professor
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            Maybe the goal was to make you understand that you are vulnerable and you shouldn’t do provocations like the one when you set our plane under attack from Syrian air defense?

            Turkey shot down your plane - received at your expense S-400 and technology for it. Syria shot down your plane - received for your S-300.

            The plane shot down by the Turks is an American provocation carried out by the hands of Prime Minister Davutoglu, who himself was aiming for Erdogan's place and went on to frame the chief. Davutoglu himself admitted that it was he who gave the order to strike the plane. What you hang on the Syrians is your, well executed, provocation that has seriously tarnished your own reputation, which is undoubtedly taken into account by our side not in your favor. "Thanks" to your cunning strategists, the air defense capabilities of Syria have been improved. Before that, Syria did not have the S-300.
            Quote: professor
            Maybe, logically, we should also bring down something of yours or sink it? Joke.
            A bad joke. It’s better not to try, because Israel will have problems that it has not experienced.
            1. +9
              12 November 2019 13: 24
              Quote: Nyrobsky
              A bad joke.

              I'm not kidding. These are wet dreams. Look how often this individual expresses this very obsession even within the framework of this topic alone - the individual is clearly not healthy and is obsessed with killing Russians.
              1. +7
                12 November 2019 13: 41
                Yeah, from these calls (jokingly) to attack the Russian military - it already blows with something very unhealthy.
          4. +4
            12 November 2019 15: 34
            Turkey shot down your plane - received at your expense C-400 and technology for it.

            Turkey from the beginning of the Russian campaign in Syria has been in the plans of the General Staff to pacify the Kurds, which it does. For this, they did a provocation with a downed plane in order to knock out this link.
            It’s time for you to forget the topic of the downed Sushka.
            1. -13
              12 November 2019 16: 28
              Quote: Vladimir_6
              Turkey shot down your plane - received at your expense C-400 and technology for it.

              Turkey from the beginning of the Russian campaign in Syria has been in the plans of the General Staff to pacify the Kurds, which it does. For this, they did a provocation with a downed plane in order to knock out this link.
              It’s time for you to forget the topic of the downed Sushka.

              The main thing is that you so quickly forgot your fighter ...
              1. +6
                12 November 2019 17: 33
                The main thing is that you so quickly forgot your fighter ...

                In Russia, no one is forgotten, and nothing is forgotten ..
                Hell on earth Revenge for the killed pilot Allah turned away works Pinocchio
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FE9OLxCSaMI
                Russian Aerospace Forces bomb the Turkish convoy. Video of fighters.
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_tdPhaf8wE
                Similar videos on YouTube in sufficient quantity.
                For the death of the Russian pilot today, the Turks are working out on the Kurdish front in full. Your Franco-Israeli project of Great Kurdistan is bursting at the seams. Without Turkey, Russia would hardly have solved this problem. I remind you once again - the provocation with the downed SU 24 turned out to be rotten.
                1. -12
                  12 November 2019 20: 31
                  Quote: Vladimir_6
                  In Russia, no one is forgotten, and nothing is forgotten ..

                  Yah? Someone threatened Turkey that she would not get off with tomatoes alone ... Turkey didn’t even apologize.

                  Quote: Geo⁣
                  We remember both him and those killed by Jews in IL.

                  You're lying. You don’t even remember their names.
                  1. +5
                    12 November 2019 21: 06
                    Quote: professor
                    Turkey didn’t even apologize.

                    It smacks of a very stupid kindling of interethnicity. For:

                    "I say, I'm sorry. I share the pain with all my heart. We perceive the family of the Russian pilot as a Turkish family," the Turkish president said in a statement.

                    Excerpts from that letter are in the press and on the president’s website.

                    Quote: professor
                    You're lying

                    You're lying here, as it turns out time after time, just you. And it’s so straightforward - just pass off your fantasies to reality.

                    And after that, you are surprised that the people you represent are already pathologically mistrusted? Honor yourself, do you understand that your level of intelligence casts a shadow over an entire nation? Shame on you?
                    1. -6
                      12 November 2019 21: 14
                      Quote: Geo⁣
                      on the president’s website

                      As stated in an official statement from the Kremlin, Erdogan said in his letter that Turkey "never had the desire and deliberate intention to shoot down an aircraft belonging to the Russian Federation."

                      "Recep Tayyip Erdogan expresses its deep regret about the incident and emphasizes the readiness to do everything possible to restore traditionally friendly relations between Turkey and Russia, as well as to jointly respond to crisis events in the region, to fight terrorism, "the Kremlin says
                      1. +2
                        12 November 2019 21: 44
                        Quote: Town Hall
                        Erdogan expresses his deep regret over what happened

                        And?
                      2. -8
                        12 November 2019 22: 27
                        He who has eyes, yes he will read
                      3. xax
                        +4
                        12 November 2019 23: 13
                        Quote: Town Hall
                        He who has eyes, yes he will read

                        And?
                    2. -9
                      12 November 2019 21: 27
                      Quote: Geo⁣
                      Quote: professor
                      Turkey didn’t even apologize.

                      It smacks of a very stupid kindling of interethnicity. For:

                      "I say, I'm sorry. I share the pain with all my heart. We perceive the family of the Russian pilot as a Turkish family," the Turkish president said in a statement.

                      Excerpts from that letter are in the press and on the president’s website.

                      You do not tell Peskov tales, but give a link to the original letter published by the press service of the President of Turkey.

                      https://www.blackseanews.net/read/117668

                      Quote: Geo⁣
                      And after that, you are surprised that the people you represent are already pathologically mistrusted? Honor yourself, do you understand that your level of intelligence casts a shadow over an entire nation? Shame on you?

                      Here I represent only myself, not the people. fool

                      Quote: Town Hall
                      Quote: Geo⁣
                      on the president’s website

                      As stated in an official statement from the Kremlin, Erdogan said in his letter that Turkey "never had the desire and deliberate intention to shoot down an aircraft belonging to the Russian Federation."

                      "Recep Tayyip Erdogan expresses its deep regret about the incident and emphasizes the readiness to do everything possible to restore traditionally friendly relations between Turkey and Russia, as well as to jointly respond to crisis events in the region, to fight terrorism, "the Kremlin says

                      Exactly regret. There was no apology, responsibility or desire to pay compensation. Regret and we express.
                      1. +3
                        12 November 2019 22: 09
                        Quote: professor
                        peskovskie tales

                        Quote: professor
                        original letter published by the press service of the President of Turkey.

                        And where is the original letter on your link? Are you lying again? This straight finish - some kind of pathology.

                        As a result, we have the word press service of the Turks against ours. Why should I believe the Turks?

                        Quote: professor
                        I represent myself here

                        Not. For example, you do not write that you personally need to drown the Russian submarine, you write that Israel must do this. The corresponding attitude arises towards Israel. In addition, your disease (of local Israeli propagandists) - it’s collective in you, as a result, you are considered as a representative sample, extending the result to the whole multitude. And in this - your enormous personal merit, since you are here in the front ranks with a serious face are nonsense, not related to reality
                      2. -5
                        13 November 2019 08: 38
                        Quote: Geo⁣
                        And where is the original letter on your link? Are you lying again? This straight finish - some kind of pathology.

                        As a result, we have the word press service of the Turks against ours. Why should I believe the Turks?

                        Where is the link to the letter with an alleged apology?

                        Quote: Geo⁣
                        Not. For example, you do not write that you personally need to drown the Russian submarine, you write that Israel must do this. The corresponding attitude arises towards Israel. In addition, your disease (of local Israeli propagandists) - it’s collective in you, as a result, you are considered as a representative sample, extending the result to the whole multitude. And in this - your enormous personal merit, since you are here in the front ranks with a serious face are nonsense, not related to reality

                        "Israel" like Russia "is spelled with a capital letter, granddaughters. This is what I am declaring to you as a grandpa. This time.
                        I did not write that it was necessary to drown the Russian submarine. You are either blind or a liar. These are two.
                        You have forgotten the names of the 15 crew members of the IL-18. These are three.
                  2. +4
                    12 November 2019 21: 15
                    Yah? Someone threatened Turkey that she would not get off with tomatoes alone ... Turkey didn’t even apologize.

                    In your posts about tomatoes and about the deceased pilot, there is an undisguised annoyance that the cheap provocation organized by Israel was rotten. You too primitively estimated Putin. And he was wiser than your Solomon.
                    You (the Jews) really wanted to pit Russia with Turkey, but not a ride.
                    Today Turkey is working out the "joint" with the downed SU24, directing the Kurds in the right direction.
                    And what will happen next to God alone.
                    P.S. For the greater importance, you lose sight of the murdered ambassador Andrei Gennadyevich Karlov.
                  3. +8
                    12 November 2019 22: 58
                    Quote: professor
                    Quote: Vladimir_6
                    In Russia, no one is forgotten, and nothing is forgotten ..

                    Yah? Someone threatened Turkey that she would not get off with tomatoes alone ... Turkey didn’t even apologize.

                    Quote: Geo⁣
                    We remember both him and those killed by Jews in IL.

                    You're lying. You don’t even remember their names.

                    Yes, and you have a memory like an associate professor of the gentlemen of fortune - "I remember here, I don't remember here." Chief Rabbi of Ukraine Yakov Dov Bleich, together with the Ambassador of Canada at the Jewish cemetery in Sambir, opened and consecrated a monument to the "heroes" of the OUN UPA who participated in Jewish pogroms and executions. And Jewish servicemen are participating in joint exercises with the Germans to seize the "Russian village", forgetting who put out the crematorium ovens. It's not for you to talk about our memory.
              2. +7
                12 November 2019 17: 42
                Quote: professor
                You forgot your fighter so fast ..

                What nonsense are you writing? We remember both him and those killed by Jews in IL. That is why you should behave very carefully, and not scratch your tongue left and right - for this you only accumulate anger in us, a splash of which, perhaps, you will one day be surprised. Do you understand what I'm talking about?
                1. +3
                  12 November 2019 17: 56
                  Quote: Geo⁣
                  Do you understand what I'm talking about?

                  He understands and sees that Russia broke all plans for the dismemberment of Syria. Therefore, the mantra about the dead pilot and the downed plane, out of annoyance, he chipped in as "Our Father" and inserts it at every opportunity.
                  1. +6
                    12 November 2019 21: 11
                    So close to taking to heart the collapse of the plans of the mother country, being an ordinary member of the colony - this is some kind of disease, not otherwise.
                    1. 0
                      12 November 2019 21: 25
                      Quote: Geo⁣
                      So close to taking to heart the collapse of the plans of the mother country, being an ordinary member of the colony - this is some kind of disease, not otherwise.

                      He is not aware of the moral aspect of these plans. Considers himself a patriot of Israel, and he does not care deeply for the suffering of those nations that they let under the rink.
                      Therefore, his illness is incurable.
                      In contrast to him, in VO there is a group of quite adequate representatives of Israel.
                      1. +1
                        12 November 2019 22: 28
                        Quote: Vladimir_6
                        at VO there is a group of quite adequate representatives of Israel

                        I could not communicate)). Of those with whom it happened - only Krasnodar is more or less adequate (he, it seems, does not live in Israel - their nationalist propaganda means less susceptible), one can clearly see from him how ashamed he is for the nonsense that he is forced to (like he believes) to defend.
                      2. 0
                        13 November 2019 00: 49
                        Quote: Geo⁣
                        Of those with whom it happened, only Krasnodar is more or less adequate.

                        "Krasnodar" something has not been heard for a long time. But they go to the forum "Maz", Aron, Voyaka. Quite adequate people. But naturally this is my personal opinion.
              3. +2
                12 November 2019 20: 44
                The main thing is that you forgot your fighter so quickly ...... no, you have not forgotten. at the mention of the name Peshkov, everyone is associated with tragedy. but you forgot about the Tu-154 shot down in the Kerch Strait by Ukrainian air defense of the S-200 complex from Cape Opuk. and I’m sure that you personally these names of your dead citizens will not cause associations about this tragedy, and on the topic, why the frog Agosta was kicked out, otherwise the macron will turn out in evil
                1. -14
                  12 November 2019 20: 51
                  Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                  The main thing is that you forgot your fighter so quickly ...... no, you have not forgotten. at the mention of the name Peshkov, everyone is associated with tragedy. but you forgot about the Tu-154 shot down in the Kerch Strait by Ukrainian air defense of the S-200 complex from Cape Opuk. and I’m sure that you personally these names of your dead citizens will not cause associations about this tragedy, and on the topic, why the frog Agosta was kicked out, otherwise the macron will turn out in evil

                  Ukrainians shot down RUSSIAN board, not Israeli. This time.
                  Give at least 3 names from the crew of IL-18. Forgot? These are two.
                  Can I tell you any of those who died for Israel since the 1864 year? Can you name the Russians who died in the past year? These are three.
                  1. +6
                    12 November 2019 21: 07
                    Ukrainians shot down the RUSSIAN side, not the Israeli. .... with Israeli citizens, do not dodge the question. because I caught lumps and bodies on Tuzla in the Kerch Strait. and you can see by .... on their fellow citizens
                    1. -9
                      12 November 2019 21: 16
                      Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                      Ukrainians shot down the RUSSIAN side, not the Israeli. .... with Israeli citizens, do not dodge the question. because I caught lumps and bodies on Tuzla in the Kerch Strait. and you can see by .... on their fellow citizens

                      Citizens there were Russian. List:
                      https://www.rbc.ru/society/05/10/2001/5703b3899a7947783a5a2cac
                      Now it's your turn.
                      Give at least 3 names from the crew of IL-18. Forgot?
                      Can I tell you any of those who died for Israel since the 1864 year? Can you name the Russians who died in the past year?
                      1. +2
                        12 November 2019 21: 27
                        Citizens there were Russian. .... well, is there something googled? I wasn’t sent what to throw, they give me a drum. and the crew of Gavryutin is your meanness
                        on the topic, so who drove out of their water territory, Agost or Varshavyanka ??? judging by the provided photo in the article. this is the French Agosta, Macrong what is it with ---- sleep soundly? and maybe we stopped in haifu sekas on rivets under the mayphone to use without payment ???
                      2. -6
                        12 November 2019 21: 30
                        Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                        Citizens there were Russian. .... well, is there something googled? I wasn’t sent what to throw, they give me a drum. and the crew of Gavryutin is your meanness
                        on the topic, so who drove out of their water territory, Agost or Varshavyanka ??? judging by the provided photo in the article. this is the French Agosta, Macrong what is it with ---- sleep soundly? and maybe we stopped in haifu sekas on rivets under the mayphone to use without payment ???

                        Give at least 3 names from the crew of IL-18. Forgot?
                        I can tell you any of those who died for Israel since the 1864 year. Can you name the Russians who died in the past year?
                      3. +4
                        12 November 2019 21: 36
                        Give at least 3 names from the crew of IL-18. Forgot? ... Gavryutin’s crew is on your conscience. meanly of course on your part. but you have such a life
                        Now on the subject, so why did Agosta drive out of their waters ????
                      4. -11
                        12 November 2019 21: 37
                        Give at least 3 names from the crew of IL-18. Have you already forgotten them and dare to talk about conscience?
                      5. +4
                        12 November 2019 21: 40
                        Give at least 3 names from the crew of IL-18. Forgot? ... don't be dumb. I have already named the crew commander of IL-20, it’s not difficult to name everyone else,
                        come on. why did they keep the French Agosta
                      6. -5
                        13 November 2019 08: 34
                        Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                        Give at least 3 names from the crew of IL-18. Forgot? ... don't be dumb. I have already named the crew commander of IL-20, it’s not difficult to name everyone else,
                        come on. why did they keep the French Agosta

                        They are not able to name even 3 names, but you show off "nobody is forgotten ..." and you dare to open your mouth about your conscience.
                      7. 0
                        13 November 2019 08: 46
                        They are not able to name even 3's names, ...... do not jump off the topic, for which they drove Agosta?
                      8. -8
                        13 November 2019 09: 00
                        Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                        They are not able to name even 3's names, ...... do not jump off the topic, for which they drove Agosta?

                      9. 0
                        13 November 2019 19: 19
                        yes not a question, Agosta submarine, the whole world is laughing about the idiotic setup of your government, to see your young ladies are really cookers
                      10. -4
                        13 November 2019 20: 28
                        Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                        sure, not a problem,

                        That is the question. Give at least 3 names from the crew of IL-18. Forgot?.
                      11. +1
                        13 November 2019 23: 32
                        Exactly the question. Name at least 3 names from the Il-18 crew. Forgot? .... wax question was asked about the shot down "Carcass" with Jews on board and about the French Agosta off the coast of Israel, you are a real Jew with a question
                      12. -2
                        14 November 2019 07: 49
                        Give at least 3 names from the crew of IL-18. Forgot?
                      13. 0
                        15 November 2019 08: 21
                        Give at least 3 names from the crew of IL-18. Have you forgotten? ... you were first asked a question, you didn’t answer, when you answer, then there will be a conversation. and so .... even parrot does not want to play in a parrot
                      14. -1
                        15 November 2019 08: 49
                        Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                        Give at least 3 names from the crew of IL-18. Have you forgotten? ... you were first asked a question, you didn’t answer, when you answer, then there will be a conversation. and so .... even parrot does not want to play in a parrot

                        Merged?
                      15. 0
                        15 November 2019 08: 53
                        Merged? .... not me but you
                      16. +1
                        15 November 2019 09: 27
                        Give at least 3 names from the crew of IL-18. Forgot?
                      17. 0
                        15 November 2019 09: 31
                        you’ll name yours then there will be correspondence, good luck in your searches
                      18. +1
                        15 November 2019 09: 34
                        Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                        you’ll name yours then there will be correspondence, good luck in your searches

                        Ours on Ile was not. The list of victims on the Tu-144 I gave.

                        Give at least 3 names from the crew of IL-18. Forgot?
                      19. 0
                        17 November 2019 12: 18
                        The list of victims on the Tu-144 I gave ........ do not print nonsense, Tu-144 that's how half a century has been decommissioned
                        well, but IL-20, Sergey Gavryutin, Alexander Vecherin, Roman Dolmatov, ..... enough?
                      20. 0
                        17 November 2019 13: 35
                        Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                        The list of victims on the Tu-144 I gave ........ do not print nonsense, Tu-144 that's how half a century has been decommissioned
                        well, but IL-20, Sergey Gavryutin, Alexander Vecherin, Roman Dolmatov, ..... enough?

                        Tu-154. My typo. The names you quoted are sucked out of your finger by REN TV and Novaya Gazeta journalists. Whether they correspond to reality or not is unknown. You do not know the names of your fighters, which is what you needed to prove.

                        So not enough. Give the names of at least 3 fighters, about whom it is reliably known that they are from the Il-18.
                        https://www.vesty.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-5361526,00.html
                      21. +7
                        12 November 2019 22: 44
                        Quote: professor
                        Name

                        It seems to me that any law enforcement agencies in Israel, if they care about the reputation of their state, should send their grandfather to state grubs and related medicines. Otherwise - he (her reputation) in the toilet will lower it with his delirium. It remains generally half a step.
                      22. +5
                        12 November 2019 22: 35
                        Quote: professor
                        I can tell you any of those who died for Israel since the 1864 year

                        Grandpa, you lied very cruelly. The Internet and your memory are two big differences. Is there a limit to stupidity?
                      23. -4
                        13 November 2019 08: 39
                        Quote: Geo⁣
                        Quote: professor
                        I can tell you any of those who died for Israel since the 1864 year

                        Grandpa, you lied very cruelly. The Internet and your memory are two big differences. Is there a limit to stupidity?

                        Judging by you, there is no limit. Use the Internet and name the victims on IL-18. Blown away, grandson? laughing
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                  2. +5
                    12 November 2019 22: 29
                    Quote: professor
                    RUSSIAN BOARD

                    Who cares whose iron it was ?! There, people died - many children! And yours, including children! Forgot?!
                2. +4
                  12 November 2019 22: 34
                  Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                  at the mention of the name Peshkov, everyone is associated with tragedy. but you forgot about the Tu-154 shot down in the Kerch Strait by Ukrainian air defense system S-200 from Cape Opuk. and I’m sure that you personally these names of your dead citizens will not cause associations about this tragedy

                  Excellent said
      9. 0
        12 November 2019 13: 33
        for a shot in the back, you can get in the face, and then HZ-you can say-She drowned
      10. +2
        12 November 2019 14: 16
        Quote: professor
        Quote: Dmitry Potapov
        Get used to it. Although they should have gotten used to it.

        1. Get used to the failures of submariners? This is exactly what happened because the submarine was discovered and expelled. In person is not the professionalism of command. You can’t get caught.
        2. Such travels in foreign territorial waters may end in disaster for the "lost". Well at least they did not take it for an Iranian submarine and didn’t sink it hot, otherwise again a sea of ​​screams would be about "set up" or "shot in the back."
        3. This "news" was announced several months ago.

        God punish Yahudistan
      11. 0
        12 November 2019 15: 13
        Quote: professor
        Quote: Dmitry Potapov
        Get used to it. Although they should have gotten used to it.

        1. Get used to the failures of submariners? This is exactly what happened because the submarine was discovered and expelled. In person is not the professionalism of command. You can’t get caught.
        2. Such travels in foreign territorial waters may end in disaster for the "lost". Well at least they did not take it for an Iranian submarine and didn’t sink it hot, otherwise again a sea of ​​screams would be about "set up" or "shot in the back."
        3. This "news" was announced several months ago.

        Oleg, has the Swedish-Novezh submarine anti-Russian-debility-Russophobic virus really reached your "promised country"? request laughing hi
        https://www.gazeta.ru/army/2019/10/16/12758696.shtml
    2. +8
      12 November 2019 08: 21
      Swedish syndrome?
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    4. +6
      12 November 2019 11: 28
      Cashier as minus.
  2. +1
    12 November 2019 06: 18
    Well, our men drove the local moonshine on a submarine, business then. .. lol
  3. -20
    12 November 2019 06: 21
    And how many of them are swimming with Washington and waiting for the order of Vladimir Putin ....
    1. +21
      12 November 2019 07: 01
      Quote: OlezhkaKravchenko
      And how many of them are swimming with Washington and waiting for the order of Vladimir Putin ....

      "Floats", as they say in the navy, is a completely different substance ... which even "Putin's order" is not an order))
      1. +2
        12 November 2019 07: 17
        this substance is not classified as underwater;)
    2. +6
      12 November 2019 07: 03
      Quote: OlezhkaKravchenko
      And how many of them are swimming with Washington and waiting for the order of Vladimir Putin ....

      Not much
  4. +15
    12 November 2019 06: 23
    Gorshkov, to the cries of your submarines entering our territorial waters, replied: discovered our submarine in its territorial waters, bomb it, we won’t have anything against it.
    The yelling stopped.
    1. +2
      12 November 2019 07: 41
      I heard these words from Chernavin in some kind of broadcast.
      1. +2
        12 November 2019 08: 39
        Quite possible. Maybe I'm wrong.
    2. +7
      12 November 2019 08: 31
      "The subsequent survey of the boats showed that there were no losses, but indistinct explosions, SOS signals, May Day and cries for help in all NATO languages ​​were heard from different regions of the oceans. Dishes of all classes, except for aircraft carriers, nuclear submarines and Russians, were shouting ..." laughing
  5. +18
    12 November 2019 06: 23
    Could they have a Swedish disease in Israel ... what other Russian submarines off the coast of Israel? ... what did they lose there?
    And then what is your evidence ... except for unfounded accusations.
    1. +7
      12 November 2019 07: 54
      Swedish infection she is so ...
      Proof of? Flag on the wheelhouse and nameplate Aurus on the hood lol
      1. +1
        12 November 2019 08: 39
        It was the nameplate that confused me, it clearly read "CATER Pillar".
        Well, I think the boat is like a boat, there is no point in spending a torpedo on it, although the shape of the cabin with horizontal rudders very much resembled the outline of Oxio - I really wanted to plant ... laughing
    2. NBV
      -6
      12 November 2019 10: 44
      In this situation, I think the evidence can only be extremely painful ...
  6. +12
    12 November 2019 06: 24
    What nonsense! How did the missile corvette find the boat? By the power of thought!
    1. -21
      12 November 2019 06: 41
      Quote: letinant
      What nonsense! How did the missile corvette find the boat? By the power of thought!

      What? - an internal hull sonar or a towed antenna - it is important that the so-called Black hole
      1. +13
        12 November 2019 06: 48
        And how did he determine that she was Russian?
        After all, Algeria has 2 Varshavyanki .. the Chinese already have 10 pieces.
        1. +7
          12 November 2019 07: 20
          Quote: The same Lech
          And how did he determine that she was Russian?
          After all, Algeria has 2 Varshavyanki .. the Chinese already have 10 pieces.

          contacted Tartus and asked: is yours or can you drown?

        2. +6
          12 November 2019 07: 53
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          And how did he determine that she was Russian?
          After all, Algeria has 2 Varshavyanka .. the Chinese already have 10 pieces

          there is such a word acoustic portrait ....
          1. +5
            12 November 2019 10: 01
            there is such a word acoustic portrait ....

            Of course there is ... I read about this most important parameter for all submarines ... all our enemies are hunting for such data ... then the question immediately arises of where the Jews got this data.
            1. -4
              12 November 2019 10: 32
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              where did the Jews get these data.

              there are several options .... do they have their own submarines there? - there is .... maybe covert surveillance was .... could track the submarines aviation .... Corvettes .....
          2. +3
            12 November 2019 12: 52
            there is such a word acoustic portrait ....

            all Warsaw women + they are the same, so that they could be Chinese)))
            1. -3
              12 November 2019 14: 04
              Quote: loki565
              all Warsaw women + they are the same, so that they could be Chinese)))

              belay feel lol
          3. +1
            12 November 2019 14: 10
            unless signatures are different at the Azhir-Vietnamese-Chinese
            1. -4
              12 November 2019 14: 12
              Quote: Charik
              unless signatures are different at the Azhir-Vietnamese-Chinese

              exactly...
              1. 0
                12 November 2019 14: 17
                why? -the boat is the same, hull-coating-equipment-the same (?)
                1. -2
                  12 November 2019 14: 28
                  Quote: Charik
                  Why?

                  write to the PM, explain
                2. -1
                  12 November 2019 18: 31
                  Quote: Charik
                  why? -the boat is the same, hull-coating-equipment-the same (?)

                  You will find two identical in noise engines will give you a premium, there is no such thing, they have been determining for a long time not by ear.
      2. +15
        12 November 2019 06: 56
        To detect and even "identify" .... that is, to find a black cat in a dark room is POSSIBLE! If she is there!
        The question is simple - the Israeli military command, officials / authorities made statements ???
        If not, then the media can go through the woods!
        1. +3
          12 November 2019 07: 32
          Quote: rocket757
          To detect and even "identify" .... that is, to find a black cat in a dark room is POSSIBLE! If she is there!
          The question is simple - the Israeli military command, officials / authorities made statements ???
          If not, then the media can go through the woods!

          Not . Official statements have not been and never will be. While in power, Netanyahu will strive to establish good relations with the Russian Federation. But when the new prime minister arrives, we will see his choice.
          1. +11
            12 November 2019 08: 01
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            But when the new prime minister arrives, we will see his choice.

            Yesterday I was just listening to the analysis of the political bodyagi in Israel ... from Satanovsky and the interlocutor In Chernin. It was VERY interesting, useful, even to ME, to a person who relates to Israel NO! I will say more, the situation is very instructive, although peculiar ....
            The main thing, as I understand it, that a real prime minister is NOW not expected ??? Something temporary, conciliation ???
            Ali I misunderstood?
            I’ll also say what kind of NECKERS you are, HAPPY GUYS !!!
            1. -1
              12 November 2019 08: 47
              These entertainers despise and hate us with all their might. USA nervously smokes around the corner.
              But, God, if he gave this cow the horns, then sooooo small.
              1. +4
                12 November 2019 09: 08
                Quote: Mestny
                These entertainers despise and hate us with all their might.

                And why would they despise you, hate you? Do you have a meter for these parameters?
                Every evil, action, deed, has a surname, name and patronymic!
                Here to find personalities, even groups of people, clearly expressing their attitude to one or another, it WAS, IS, and WILL BE!
                To blame someone indiscriminately is .......
                PS .... I do not blame or justify anyone, FACTS ONLY!
                Clarification - I do NOT belong to the "chosen ones", i.e. exactly like everyone else.
                1. +3
                  12 November 2019 09: 13
                  And to whom then? If not to them, then to us? And if so, then your own should be anyway closer.
                  Or am I dealing with a "citizen of the world" without nationality, without borders and without interests other than my own?

                  No need to measure anything. Enough to read the comments of those to whom you allegedly do not belong. In 99.9% of cases, this is either a contemptuous banter of varying degrees of intensity, or outright Russophobia.
                  1. +2
                    12 November 2019 09: 27
                    My attitude to the MOTHERLAND, I always express clearly!
                    To the enemies of MY HOMELAND, I also expressed and express clearly ... literally, when I had to, figuratively always.
                    I pray to my gods, do not take blasphemy on strangers!
                    PS ... here, on the talker, there is NOT PEOPLE, but individual representatives from one side or another!
                    1. +1
                      12 November 2019 09: 28
                      Well, so am I doing the same thing.
                      It remains only to find out whether you have one Homeland.
                      1. +1
                        12 November 2019 10: 21
                        And the homeland of all, normal, one .... options are not discussed.
                    2. 0
                      12 November 2019 11: 24
                      Quote: rocket757
                      I pray to my gods, do not take blasphemy on strangers!

                      Sorry, but if quotes are given, they usually indicate the author and source:
                      "-Who are you, rebelling against Those whose names are glorified in the three worlds?
                      Did not recognize, thought Wolfhound ......
                      -I pray to my Gods and do not rise up against strangers, - he said gloomily. "(C) Maria Semyonova" Wolfhound "
                      1. +3
                        12 November 2019 11: 37
                        Quote: Captain45
                        Sorry, but if quotes are given, they usually indicate the author and source

                        That's right, I read it from Semenova ... only I don’t quote what to teach someone, but I accepted it as a very reasonable postulate.
                        Briefly and clearly, it is not necessary to arrange a dispute, whose gods are holier or something like that.
          2. +2
            12 November 2019 10: 09
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            No . Official statements have not been and never will be. While in power, Netanyahu will strive to establish good relations with the Russian Federation. But when the new prime minister arrives, we will see his choice.

            You expressed something so "menacing" in your semi-ultimatum that, as it were, it became uncomfortable, and therefore I want to ask, and when a new president will be elected in Russia, you will not be afraid of his preferences? Otherwise, it may so happen that Russia will not "favor" you with princely affection and excessive (in terms of business, size and joint trade turnover) attention ... belay
            1. +1
              12 November 2019 10: 26
              The elite now have a lot of "fun", it will take a long time to figure it out, the process can only be stopped by a REAL threat from the outside!
              The "war machine" will function as before, the force of inertia, however, but something global, strong, outside the current plan, should not be expected ...
              In short, we'll see.
      3. +4
        12 November 2019 07: 44
        Well, only 8 km from the coast, where they used to be when she went into the water. Yes, and I'm afraid our corvette was discovered early.
      4. +9
        12 November 2019 08: 06
        See the performance characteristics of the corvettes in service with Israel. When you find a towed HAS antenna or a saber at a rocket corvette. Show me. Verbiage and dreamer.
        1. -1
          12 November 2019 08: 22
          Quote: letinant
          See the performance characteristics of the corvettes in service with Israel. When you find a towed HAS antenna or a saber at a rocket corvette. Show me. Verbiage and dreamer.

          let’s not tryinde in vain: I find you a sonar and a CEO in Saarland, and you leave the site forever ?!
          1. +3
            12 November 2019 09: 56
            You don’t put your conditions to me, and if you don’t tryn’t, show me. Otherwise, you will remain, a CROWBAR AND A FANTASER!
        2. -1
          13 November 2019 17: 05
          Quote: letinant
          When you find a towed HAS antenna or a saber at a rocket corvette. Show me. Verbiage and dreamer.

          My dear, but you are a liar. Or = ignoramus. On the corvettes of the Saar-5 tapa are the American interior GAS Edo. There are towed GAS produced by Rafael. A corvette boat can be destroyed by type 42 torpedoes. Don’t you be ashamed to chat, dunno?
          1. 0
            13 November 2019 23: 58
            The concept of an in-body GAS does not exist! Therefore, I understand what kind of information you consume. There are subkeins, in the nasal bulb, towed. What GAS are you writing about now, a question. So, from the magazine "Foreign Military Review" (a very respected magazine in military circles). The Saar-5 is equipped with a mid-range under-keel GAS to search for mines, and a towed torpedo trap. From anti-submarine search equipment, helicopter. READ SCIENTIFIC LITERATURE!
            1. -1
              14 November 2019 12: 27
              Quote: letinant
              very honored in military circles magazine

              If honored by you, then yes, very authoritative. Just learn to write correctly, otherwise your language ... well, you understand. Sonars in Saare are both anti-submarine. And the hull (it does not matter in this case, where it is located) and towed. A torpedo tube firing, including anti-submarine torpedoes, is located in the bow. I will not refer to yellow ... reviews. Just through Google, type Saar-5, and there you yourself will choose a detailed description of the corvette from the resource you like. Just do not read the sov ... Russian reviews before dinner!
              1. 0
                14 November 2019 14: 22
                That is, we cover up our ignorance with my spelling mistakes. The respected journal "Foreign Military Review" publishes articles by specialists in military equipment who have proven their knowledge. If you do not know at least this highly specialized edition, then it is disgusting to discuss with you. But your text, written above, proves your ignorance and lack of desire for learning. Google, that's certainly not the one to refer to. For torpedoes, torpedo caliber from 300mm to 400mm - anti-submarine only. On "Saar 5" caliber is 324 mm, therefore ONLY ANTI-WATER is used there. Universal (anti-ship and PLO) have a caliber from 533 mm to 650 mm.

                PS I wish you success in military and political training.
                1. -1
                  15 November 2019 00: 04
                  Quote: letinant
                  On "Saar 5" caliber is 324 mm, therefore ONLY ANTI-WATER is used there. Universal

                  Do not understand. You convinced everyone that the Saar could not fight with submarines because it did not carry the appropriate weapons and called its opponents bad words. When I transferred you the submarine’s armaments to Saar, including anti-submarine torpedoes, you write that I’m wrong and that the torpedoes from Saar are anti-submarine. Do you manage to follow the bends of your thoughts? Why is Saar anti-submarine torpedo? So he can fight submarines? Apologize to the person whom you have called variously, do not want to? Parenting does not allow?
                  By the way, Google provides links to resources, the most diverse. If you think with your head, you can always find several serious and informed sources. So bit by bit you can collect reliable information. And to you, here is another scientific source, the Messenger of Mordovia. It often publishes articles from this ... scientific publication. By the way, your Foreign Military Review wrote nothing about the fact that this corvette carries a Puma helicopter with weapons to detect and destroy submarines?
                  1. 0
                    15 November 2019 10: 38
                    You did not carefully read what I wrote, I said that he does not have the opportunity to find a boat with the help of the GAS (another purpose, missile corvette). To detect submarines, he has a helicopter and external sources of information. And torpedo tubes can be used for external target designation, in addition, there can be anti-torpedoes there they have the same caliber, well, a helicopter!
                    1. 0
                      16 November 2019 02: 39
                      Quote: letinant
                      he has no way to find a boat with the help of GAS

                      And why then the CEO? But the site of the Nevsky Bastion writes that the Saar was created as an air defense PLO corvette. The fight against submarines is his specialization (as, however, with any corvette). Sonar EDO type 976 is imprisoned for the fight against boats, as is the towed GAS Rafael. On the NAVAL website, both of these devices are located in the Saar anti-submarine weapons section.
                      1. 0
                        16 November 2019 10: 15
                        Stupid conversation, the point of explaining to a person who does not understand the subject of the conversation but only refers to FIG knows what sources.
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                      4. 0
                        18 November 2019 10: 55
                        Quote: letinant
                        only refers to FIG knows what sources.

                        Well, actually the Naval technology site is one of the most authoritative in the world of those writing on the naval theme. But he, however, is English-speaking and inaccessible to you. Therefore, for you, I have cited a second resource, factually accurate, but writing at the level of elementary school students. Suits you.
      5. +1
        12 November 2019 14: 01
        who said that Varshavyanka
    2. +17
      12 November 2019 06: 42
      How did the missile corvette find the boat? By the power of thought!

      Scraps of the Kommersant newspaper with traces of use in the latrine floated in this area, empty vodka bottles with an attached note: "You can catch horseradish." And in the hydrophone, with the naked eye, a select mat could be heard. feel
      1. +7
        12 November 2019 07: 00
        Quote: Amateur
        Scraps of the Kommersant newspaper with traces of use in the latrine floated in this area, empty vodka bottles with an attached note: "You can catch horseradish." And in the hydrophone, with the naked eye, a select mat could be heard.
        Russian submariners read "Krasnaya Zvezda", so it looks more like Abramovich's yacht.
      2. +5
        12 November 2019 07: 06
        Quote: Amateur
        I heard a selective mat.

        ... The red flaky stump you from the Soviet government to the collar in a cast-iron design. So that the gateway does not get dirty and the head does not dangle ...
    3. +3
      12 November 2019 07: 03
      Rather, by the power of cunning, these are Jews.
      And she withdrew not because she was transferred to the Russians through any channels there, but because they realized that they had been spotted.
      So the boat could be anyone's.
      Star in shock!
  7. 0
    12 November 2019 06: 27
    It was not our submarine ... laughing
    1. -14
      12 November 2019 07: 16
      Of course. Was the noise signature tampered with?
      1. +10
        12 November 2019 07: 37
        Quote: Zeev Zeev
        Of course. Was the noise signature tampered with?

        On Russian submarines, they are constantly being dug with a sledgehammer on a dashboard and remember someone's mother! laughing
        1. -4
          12 November 2019 08: 18
          There is an archive of submarine noise in any fleet.
          1. +4
            12 November 2019 10: 16
            Quote: Zeev Zeev
            There is an archive of submarine noise in any fleet.

            The wisest you not our!
            Then instead of the message:
            A Russian submarine was discovered by an Israeli corvette just 8 nautical miles deep in the territorial waters of Israel.

            It should be:
            Russian submarine (type, name and affiliation, year of commissioning)It was discovered by an Israeli corvette just 8 nautical miles deep in the territorial waters of Israel.
            And so - Is that all your media wanted to say?
            hi
            1. -6
              12 November 2019 11: 35
              And why should the media give out such information?
              1. +3
                12 November 2019 11: 38
                Quote: Zeev Zeev
                And why should the media give out such information?

                Patamushta:
                There is an archive of submarine noise in any fleet.

                And the media that receive information from reliable sources, and not from the finger (Nepalese or Nepal) do not have the right ...
                1. -6
                  12 November 2019 11: 40
                  The media received information that a submarine was seen. The submarine was identified as Russian. They contacted the Russians, they recalled the submarine. All.
          2. MMX
            +2
            12 November 2019 12: 43
            Quote: Zeev Zeev
            There is an archive of submarine noise in any fleet.

            Does Israel have a fleet?
      2. -1
        12 November 2019 08: 25
        Typical stuffing before the election ...
        1. -3
          12 November 2019 08: 27
          Who has the election?
      3. +2
        12 November 2019 12: 58
        the noise signal of a Warsaw woman, if it was she, the same as that of Chinese and Algerian Warsaw women)))
      4. +3
        12 November 2019 14: 27
        Algeria-Vietnam-China
  8. +1
    12 November 2019 06: 49
    War "games" ... if only no one is played!
  9. +2
    12 November 2019 06: 53
    I don’t understand ... What is the sensation?
    1. +4
      12 November 2019 07: 31
      Found the "Flying Dutchman", but they can not catch - that's bliss! laughing
      1. +2
        12 November 2019 07: 52
        Well then, everything is clear. Let them continue, to catch, ---) The navigator will receive at least an order.
  10. +4
    12 November 2019 06: 54
    That way and their submarine will be accepted for the Russian one, since there was no identification. fellow
    Facts, not speculations "in the studio!" Yes lol
  11. -15
    12 November 2019 07: 16
    Damn, and our sailors did not try to drown unidentified submarines?
    1. +8
      12 November 2019 07: 42
      Quote: Zeev Zeev
      Damn, and our sailors did not try to drown unidentified submarines?

      It’s very difficult to see, detect a kraken. Yes, it is heard, but no more ...
    2. +3
      12 November 2019 07: 54
      Damn, and our sailors did not try to drown unidentified submarines?

      If you could try a lot of corvettes.
      1. -15
        12 November 2019 08: 20
        Ichtamnet. A week later, the Russian media would have talked about the accident DEPL near Syria
        1. +1
          12 November 2019 13: 02
          well, or with an unknown pl, a dozen missiles from a nuclear warhead would fly in and the whole region would breathe freely)))
          1. -8
            12 November 2019 13: 12
            Would not have flown.
            1. +2
              12 November 2019 13: 15
              do not promise, could have surged on the other side, it is enough to lift the ban on the sale of certain weapons to some countries)))
              1. -7
                12 November 2019 13: 32
                And what specific armaments do not these of some countries have?
                1. +4
                  12 November 2019 13: 48
                  Advanced rocket
  12. +3
    12 November 2019 07: 40
    And how they were able to contact her, that's what's interesting. The radio does not work at depth in principle. Submarine communications equipment, I doubt the Israelis had compatible with ours. The only way they could "notify" was to leave the firecrackers in the water, to scare.
    1. -8
      12 November 2019 08: 22
      Our contacted your headquarters in Latakia, your headquarters contacted the boat.
      1. +3
        12 November 2019 13: 03
        Our contacted your headquarters in Latakia, your headquarters contacted the boat

        Yeah, right on the cell phone on the pl called)))
  13. +5
    12 November 2019 09: 18
    "in the Gush Dan area (the largest metropolitan area in Israel, including the Tel Aviv district)", - survey, not? bully
    1. +2
      12 November 2019 13: 04
      possible exploration of depths and bottom topography for Poseidon
  14. NBV
    -12
    12 November 2019 09: 55
    Quote: professor
    Such travels in foreign territorial waters can end in disaster for the "lost". Well at least they did not take it for an Iranian submarine and didn’t sink it hot, otherwise again a sea of ​​screams would be about "set up" or "shot in the back."

    I absolutely agree with you. Such provocations can be a tragedy. I am not a submariner, but as far as I know, the sonar has various sonar profiles and signatures for various types of submarines. The Israelis identified the submarine as Russian, so they activated communication channels. If they recognized her as Iranian, they would attack her without undue diplomacy.
  15. NBV
    -11
    12 November 2019 10: 15
    Quote: Tank jacket
    It was not our submarine ... laughing

    Forgive me if you are being sarcastic. I am not Russian and do not always understand all the nuances of what has been said .. But if you seriously believe in the effectiveness of this mantra, it means that you do not seem to have learned the lesson of the Su incident in Turkey and Wagner in Syria. This logic brings only trouble and the "galactic" scream of "knives in the back" and other tragicomic screams. Potential losses, in addition to being completely unnecessary political and military, will become a personal tragedy in many families. Don't you think about it, or do you think that people are consumables, not individuals ?!
    Once again, I apologize if I did not understand your words correctly, but I met all sorts of comments on Russian forums and would not be surprised at anything.
    1. +4
      12 November 2019 13: 47
      Quote: NBV
      I am not Russian

      Quote: NBV
      Possible losses, besides the fact that they will be completely unnecessary political and military, will become a personal tragedy in many families. Do not you think about it or think that people are supplies, not individuals ?!

      But if you are not Russian, then you should be concerned about the likely unnecessary losses in the first place at your home. Is not it?
      1. NBV
        -4
        12 November 2019 14: 40
        Losses are most often in the form of living people, with families, children, mothers and souls. Souls for whom Christ died. If you do not value life as a value, this is a different matter.
        After the Serbian-Bulgarian war in our country, a monument was erected to the Sorrowful Victor. A winner who laments that war forces him to kill in war. The winner is aware of the madness and anti-humanity of war. Can your mind, washed by warlike propaganda, understand this ?!
        https://cache2.24chasa.bg/Images/Cache/182/Image_6423182_128.jpg
        1. +2
          12 November 2019 16: 12
          Quote: NBV
          If you do not value life

          We have long known that if we value life, we must be able to protect it. And they told you correctly - for starters, engage in propaganda at home, do not waste time on us.
          1. NBV
            -2
            12 November 2019 23: 36
            An article about a submarine in the territorial waters of Israel. Whose life did she protect there?
            All the time you multiply propaganda cliches in different forms. Let me have a different opinion than Solovyov’s.
            1. +3
              13 November 2019 00: 33
              Quote: NBV
              An article about a submarine in the territorial waters of Israel.

              This did not stop you from telling about your monument. I continued the topic - what are the claims? Do you trace reality or lose the thread after two messages?
              1. NBV
                -3
                13 November 2019 00: 49
                Obviously, someone has genuinely lost the plot. If the Israelis attacked the submarine now, you would say that they scored something in the ... back.
                I do not think the conversation is productive. Obviously, you want the last word to be yours - please.
        2. +2
          12 November 2019 16: 34
          Quote: NBV
          If you do not value life

          If you appreciated lives, you would have had proper thanks to the people whose sons gave their lives for you. Is repeated betrayal of the interests of this people an appropriate gratitude? You have no idea what it is to value life, and your la la on this subject is a clear mockery of the value of life.
  16. +1
    12 November 2019 10: 18
    The Russian Ministry of Defense has not yet commented on materials from the Israeli media regarding the alleged entry of the Russian Navy submarine into the territorial waters of Israel.

    Haili Likely ... Russia is preventing Israel from establishing its order in neighboring Syria and the Golan. Jews followed the path of the Swedes, who are constantly convinced that Russian submarines like a gopher are somewhere here, but they do not see it. There is no evidence.
  17. +3
    12 November 2019 10: 55
    Haha Neither type of boat, nor name, but high-likly Russian. Or maybe it's their striped friends? Jewish balabolki are the same as the norgi with the Swedes.
  18. 0
    12 November 2019 11: 00
    The submarine of the Russian Navy was discovered in the territorial waters of Israel.
    Well, anything can happen, you need to understand what happened, but 2 facts are clear. Firstly, you need more information to understand how real it was that something, and this is ours. The second, if something happened, was it a submarine and not a drone. In any case, since Israel has remained where it is, and has not turned into a radioactive zone, I propose not to arrange a witch hunt until it becomes clear.
  19. +3
    12 November 2019 12: 19
    The meaning of the article is not entirely clear. As far as I remember from open materials all the time in Israel, the width of territorial waters was 6 miles from the line of greatest low tide. From what time this zone became 12-mile. If you noticed 7 miles from the coast and there were no comments from the Moscow Region, then everything is completely clear. What comments can there be if the boat did not violate Israel’s thermal guides?

    Quote: professor
    Get used to the failures of submariners?

    Oleg! Is Israel not 6-mile territorial waters ??? If you suddenly become 12-mile, then since when?
    1. -4
      12 November 2019 12: 50
      Quote: Old26
      Oleg! Is Israel not 6-mile territorial waters ??? If you suddenly become 12-mile, then since when?



      https://www.informea.org/en/legislation/territorial-waters-law-77171956-amended-territorial-waters-amendment-law-5750-1990-5
      5 February 1990.
      In section 3 of the Interpretation Law, 5741-1981, in the definition of "territorial waters", the words "six miles"shall be replaced by the words"twelve nautical miles"
  20. -1
    12 November 2019 13: 21
    Quote: professor
    5 February 1990.

    Thank you Oleg, now I will know
  21. +1
    12 November 2019 13: 23
    ...allegedly only 15 km from the coast ....

    Ynet writes that this “incident” occurred around three months ago

    The Russian Ministry of Defense materials of the Israeli media .... for now did not comment.

    "Allegedly" ??? Three months ago.
    And everyone was already aroused. As if the fact has already been proved and confirmed.
  22. +1
    12 November 2019 13: 26
    Quote: professor
    ... joke.

    A dumb joke.
  23. +1
    12 November 2019 14: 30
    Scared! I thought that Onega and Ladoga returned kosher ...
  24. 0
    12 November 2019 16: 58
    Black hole discovered.
  25. 0
    12 November 2019 17: 04
    Does Israel have territorial waters? )))
  26. 0
    12 November 2019 17: 07
    It is completely unclear whether it was or was not, everything is at the level of words and "I swear by my mother, we have truthful journalists." Why did this become known only 3 months later? What did the boat of 4 thousand tons of submarine displacement need 7 miles from the coast (if this is our Black Sea 636ya)? Was it underwater or on the surface, maybe it was generally a joint operation? Modern diesel-electric submarines in a submerged position at full electric propulsion are very quiet, it is GUARANTEED FIRST !!! will notice a surface ship of the corvette type more than 1200 tons with a displacement of 25 years ago, and there is nothing more to detect from the surface ships. Israel has only three corvettes and one of them was nearby, which also cannot be an accident, given the length of the coast. If she let him in, then again, a joint operation? A bunch of questions and these are only the main ones
  27. 0
    12 November 2019 19: 24
    Russian submariners have vast experience of Soviet submariners in the Mediterranean ... it happened! Surfaced 200 meters from the side of an aircraft carrier suddenly, in case of war, it’s an exchange of an aircraft carrier for d.s. 60 people! We went on a hike fully aware that in case of we won’t return the war — we were kamikaze, but calmly did our job ... Nothing happens by chance in the submarine — the commander completed his task!
  28. -1
    12 November 2019 20: 12
    Quote: IL-18
    Quote: professor
    Led her before

    Yes? That's how it was DETECTED 8 miles from the largest metropolitan area. The article would be read before commenting.
    For the most part, your fellow tribesmen were in the ideological and propaganda departments, sectors of party organizations in the USSR. Until now, the ideology cannot be restored in any way. Better hydroponics grow.

    Here you are strange people. You have been warned. They didn’t shoot to kill, they were still not happy. And in general, what do your ships do in the territorial waters of a foreign country. .. How to evaluate this, a mistake?
  29. 0
    12 November 2019 20: 23
    Actually, I can understand the submarine clinging to the coast of Israel, she’s pressed against Syria and the fate of IL18 here it is.
  30. NBV
    -1
    13 November 2019 00: 53
    Quote: Geo⁣
    Quote: NBV
    If you do not value life

    If you appreciated lives, you would have had proper thanks to the people whose sons gave their lives for you. Is repeated betrayal of the interests of this people an appropriate gratitude? You have no idea what it is to value life, and your la la on this subject is a clear mockery of the value of life.

    I do not understand where the connection between the article about submarines and what you mean by "betrayal" is, but by 1884 Bulgaria paid Russia 10 million and half of the book rubles and 43 kopecks (!) - in gold equivalent it was 32,5 tons of gold and also “the cost of the occupation of the Principality of the Russian imperial troops.” Decree No. 1144 of 1884. State Gazette. Sofia.
    Yes, say that you gave us something for which we paid, it is cynicism.
    Regarding ingratitude.
    There is no other country with so many Russian monuments and street names on Russian princes, generals and aristocrats who helped liberate Bulgaria, besides the largest Orthodox church in the Balkans with the name of a Russian saint.
    Regarding whether we value the lives of fallen wars. For 140 years, even during the communism of EVERY Holy Liturgy in Bulgaria, the Great Entrance mentions the memorial “Tsar Alexander Nikolaevich and all Russian wars fell for the freedom of Bulgaria”, and the monument to the king can still be seen in the center of Sofia, and you have removed all the monuments, associated with the monarchy. We well remember the self-sacrifice of the individual and the people as a whole (regardless of the motives and goals of the war for the Empire), but we distinguish between gratitude and servility. Read Eugenie Utin and Lamsdorf's diaries - it helps you understand where the difference is.
  31. 0
    13 November 2019 13: 31
    I already thought in Lake Genisaret or the Dead Sea! ..
  32. 0
    13 November 2019 15: 34
    Secretly landed a new group of emigrants?
  33. 0
    13 November 2019 19: 50
    Some kind of suspicious, last name - Blumenthal. Surely a Jew