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The most expensive US Air Force planes for the cost of an hour of flight

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The network discusses statistics regarding the operation of American aircraft of various classes and modifications. We are talking about data that corresponds to the cost of one hour of operation of American fighters, electronic reconnaissance aircraft, bombers and other aircraft of the United States Air Force.


If you believe the table on the network (image below), then the top three most expensive to operate American aircraft is as follows.

In third position with an hourly flight cost of almost 101 thousand dollars is the C-5 Galaxy. It is a strategic military transporter with a maximum takeoff weight of 379,6 tons. For the first time, this aircraft took off in the 1970 year.


Second place with indicators in the 130,1 thousand dollars per hour of flight is occupied by the inconspicuous bomber B-2 Spirit, which began to be used by the U.S. Air Force in 1997 year.

And the true record for operating costs is the Boeing E-4B Nightwatch (NEACP), which is a flying command post. Often this aircraft is called the "Doomsday Aircraft." The cost of an hour of its flight is 159,5 thousand US dollars.

The table shows the cost per hour of operation of the 5 generation F-22 and F-35 fighters. So the data on the F-22 Raptor - 58 thousand dollars per hour of flight, F-35A Lightning II - 67,5 thousand dollars.

It is noteworthy that this information differs significantly from the data previously published by Forbes: for F-22 - 33,5 thousand dollars, for F-35 -28,45 thousand

The most expensive US Air Force planes for the cost of an hour of flight


The cost of an hour of flight F-16 in Forbes was estimated at 8,3 thousands of US dollars.
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  1. Sentinel-vs
    Sentinel-vs 11 November 2019 10: 39
    +2
    Osprey operating hour why so expensive? This same workhorse was supposed to be, for the idea, for landing special forces. And according to this diagram, it turns out that it’s even more expensive than the strategic Lanser and the Raptor’s invisibility.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 11 November 2019 10: 50
      +21
      Sophisticated mechanics. Rotary engines, shaft between screws for transmission from one engine to a second screw. (Transmission Interconnect Shaft). With all sorts of couplings, additional engines ...
      Inter-flight checks are long.
      1. Sentinel-vs
        Sentinel-vs 11 November 2019 12: 48
        0
        Inter-flight inspections cannot so significantly increase operational costs. Unless, as a result of these inspections, elements and equipment that are out of order are constantly replaced. It is not known by what formulas of course this cost was calculated in general in this article, maybe accidents and catastrophes during operation were included here?
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 11 November 2019 12: 51
          0
          Accidents and disasters are separate statistics. The F-16 with a low cost of operating accidents a lot. Osprey had many accidents in the first 10 years of operation. Now - no more than conventional helicopters.
      2. lucul
        lucul 11 November 2019 13: 03
        +1
        Sophisticated mechanics. Rotary engines, shaft between screws for transmission from one engine to a second screw. (Transmission Interconnect Shaft). With all sorts of couplings, additional engines ...
        Inter-flight checks are long.

        And is the game worth the candle?
        It's like feeding a pig cakes ....
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 11 November 2019 12: 29
      +1
      Quote: Sentinel-vs
      Osprey operating hour why so expensive?

      This is not only the cost of the flight itself, but also the cost of inter-flight maintenance. And it, due to the complexity of the design of this aircraft, is very expensive.
  2. Avior
    Avior 11 November 2019 10: 39
    +6
    If you believe the table on the network (image below), then the top three most expensive to operate American aircraft is as follows.

    exactly what to believe. where did they get the table from, didn’t write ....
  3. Old26
    Old26 11 November 2019 10: 42
    +1
    Interesting numbers. It would be nice if there was an opportunity to compare with the cost of an hour of flight of our cars
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 11 November 2019 11: 09
      -1
      That's when our budget will be equal to their budget, and when the ruble will be the world currency, let's compare! -)
      1. bessmertniy
        bessmertniy 11 November 2019 11: 16
        0
        If we try hard, we will catch up and overtake! lol There would be money, but spending is not a problem.
      2. hrych
        hrych 11 November 2019 12: 29
        +3
        Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
        when the ruble will be the world currency

        What for? The world currency now is oil, and the dollar is just its equivalent. If the Bretton Woods agreement of 1944, which made the dollar the world currency (before that gold in the form of the "gold standard" and often the British pound), where gold was tightly pegged to the dollar. $ 35 per troy ounce (about 31 g). Then, as a result of world wars and revolutions, 70% of gold accumulated in the United States. A kind of controlling stake. Also recently, the first reactor with a self-sustaining nuclear chain reaction was launched in the United States. Those. the creation of nuclear weapons became a matter of time and the Manhattan Project was created. It was the controlling stake in gold reserves and the monopoly on superweapons that made the dollar the world's currency. But, as time goes on, gold has evaporated, there is no nuclear monopoly. Now DeGol took the gold, then it went to the Marshall Plan, then to the Dodge Plan (for Japan), then to the space and nuclear arms race. There is no gold, there is no monopoly on power either (following the defeat in Vietnam in 1975), which is why the current Jamaican system was born. It was created in 1976 and is currently in operation. The gold standard has been abolished and gold has become a common market commodity with a floating rate. The dollar ceased to be a world currency, and became a RESERVE one, along with such as the pound sterling, the Swiss franc, the Japanese yen, the FRG mark, the French franc (the last two were transformed into euros). Now the yuan has been added here. But so that the Chinese would lower it less ... There is no gold, no world currency, and most importantly - goods. And the main world commodity is black gold. And Russia is included in the triumvirate of its production, but if the United States also, but consumes 2 times more, i.e. (conventionally) everything that the SA produces is the third triumvirate. Then the Russian Federation consumes half as much as it produces. And this is the secret that the Russian Federation is so poor, and has nuclear power, including TNW, exceeding all combined. Allows you to have the largest and most powerful army in the world per capita. It allows itself the seizure of Crimea, Abkhazia and Syria, in response only sanctions, from which Russia is getting stronger, and the West is suffering losses. Besides oil - the main one, there are also "reserve" currencies - gas, coal, steel and uranium. And Voyakha is right Wow, saying, they say, we think here that like America, the dollar will print and hello ... And the Russian Federation, passing to trade in national currencies, excluding reserve ones and, moreover, having thrown them off, together with priceless securities, in fact switched to commodity barter and the Jamaican system flew like a snowball. Moreover, the West does not have a monopoly on the world market for production and reserves. Iran and Venezuela are the leaders in terms of reserves, and they are in the enemy (our) camp. Arabia ran out of light oil and dumping became impossible when they ruined the USSR, and the Russian Federation miraculously survived the default, when the Saudis made oil even cheaper than against the Union. This is largely due to the bow of 40 African kings after the flight of the West from Syria. The Jamaican system is giving way to ... the Sochi wassat
        1. NordOst16
          NordOst16 11 November 2019 16: 31
          -1
          But a new currency appears in the world - big data, computing power and they play no less role than more traditional options. And here we are far from leaders.
          1. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 11 November 2019 17: 55
            +3
            Quote: NordOst16
            But a new currency appears in the world - big data

            yes yes .. already passed ... "" MMM "a new force that will raise Russia!", "Mavrodia for the presidency!". laughing
            cryptocurrencies are common stock exchange scams. in China, for example, they were banned ... but as long as there is no criminal liability, you can quite do it wink once cocaine was just a cure for the common cold yes
            1. NordOst16
              NordOst16 11 November 2019 22: 06
              +2
              I'm not talking about currency, but about the fact that citizens leave various information about themselves on the network. And those who can collect and process it will be able to influence the population better than others.
              And what could be better to make the enemy destroy himself?
              1. Sanichsan
                Sanichsan 12 November 2019 14: 41
                +1
                5 years ago, probably yes, but today no longer. any developed country, such as the USA, China or Russia, controls the information space. everywhere very high requirements for the safety of personal data.
                Yes, you are right that there is a threat (its materiality, in my opinion, is somewhat exaggerated. This data has been collected before, but the Internet has facilitated this process), but it is known and counteracted.
                1. NordOst16
                  NordOst16 12 November 2019 18: 17
                  +1
                  It is very difficult to counteract it because while in the electronic services market (I'm talking about all sorts of search engines, social networks, etc.), Russian companies dominate the Russian Federation.
                  Also, control over information allows the state to take punitive measures against its citizens and this problem is becoming more acute. From an uncontrolled, on the part of states, environment, the Internet is turning into one of the ways to impose ideologies on citizens
                  1. Sanichsan
                    Sanichsan 15 November 2019 17: 48
                    0
                    Quote: NordOst16
                    It is very difficult to counteract it because while in the electronic services market (I'm talking about all sorts of search engines, social networks, etc.), Russian companies dominate the Russian Federation.

                    Soap and Yandex Western? it seems not so. Moreover, they absorb the western ones. for example, how Yandex taxi Uber paid in the Russian Federation wink
                    Quote: NordOst16
                    Also, control over information allows the state to take punitive measures against its citizens and this problem is becoming more acute.

                    problem??? what is prevented by terrorist acts and jihadists are twisted before they allah-babahnut - is this a problem? IMHO this is an achievement! and what happened with the Titmouse is also a very revealing and positive phenomenon. you need to answer for your words wink including the full extent of the law yes
                    Quote: NordOst16
                    From an uncontrolled, on the part of states, environment, the Internet is turning into one of the ways to impose ideologies on citizens

                    Oh my God! it's horrible! belay Stop! stop but in any civilized country this has been the case for a long time. is not it so? wink
                    1. NordOst16
                      NordOst16 16 November 2019 10: 40
                      +1
                      Quote: SanichSan
                      Soap and Yandex Western? it seems not so. Moreover, they absorb the western ones. for example, how Yandex taxi Uber paid in the Russian Federation

                      Yes, these are large players, but at the same time, world giants are not far behind.

                      Quote: SanichSan
                      problem??? what is prevented by terrorist acts and jihadists are twisted before they allah-babahnut - is this a problem? IMHO this is an achievement! and what happened with the Titmouse is also a very revealing and positive phenomenon. you must answer for your words, including the full extent of the law

                      On the other hand, in the same way, one can take for one place those who, for example, are investigating the corrupt actions of the highest ranks of the state. To find those who are engaged in criticism on the network and come to their home. Do you really think that's good?
                      At the same time, the situation is complicated by the fact that in the Russian Federation the judicial branch of power is completely under the executive branch (if it has not become a complement to it), while in Europe the judicial system is biased towards the topics of all kinds of minorities and tolerance.

                      Quote: SanichSan
                      Oh my God! it's horrible! Stop! but in any civilized country this has been the case for a long time. is not it so?

                      Yes, this process is going on in any country. Any state (and a group of people at the helm) seeks to suppress protest sentiments and make citizens "more comfortable" by using propaganda, economic methods, physical violence (just in different states these methods are combined in different ways). In turn, citizens must fight this because, in our time and in the majority, the people are the bearers of power and only delegate it. And depending on how actively citizens resist the state, the power of a group of people is forced to limit itself in the methods of government.
                      Well this is my personal opinion.
                      1. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 18 November 2019 15: 02
                        0
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        On the other hand, in the same way, one can take for one place those who, for example, are investigating the corrupt actions of the highest ranks of the state. To find those who are engaged in criticism on the network and come to their home. Do you really think that's good?

                        come home? Well, you exaggerate, if we talk about the network, then this makes no sense. it’s easier to close the page or throw the strike channel wink in YouTube if you are banned then completely. demolish even the channels with reference to the banned. freedom of speech panimash laughing
                        the story of the blogger and drugs is not a bit about that. and by the way it ended completely in favor of the state. corrupt policemen went on trial.
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        In turn, citizens must fight this because, in our time and in the majority, the people are the bearers of power and only delegate it.

                        I wanted to start fiercely to object, but I thought, and apparently you are right. those who live on the ruble they are the people? of course people! in the country their power, the power of the people, and therefore real democracy!
                        but then it’s not very clear who we are and the remaining 98% of the country's population?
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        And depending on how actively citizens resist the state, the power of a group of people is forced to limit themselves in management methods.

                        Yeah ... there’s the same democracy in France and how many people have achieved in 2 years of speaking? real, 100-200 thousand, and not 5k in the swamp ... by the way, in a country with a significantly smaller population. what did they achieve? nothing. request

                        everything is very simple, if you are for the power of the majority then you are for communism, if you are for the power of an insignificant minority then you are for capitalism. soldier
                      2. NordOst16
                        NordOst16 18 November 2019 19: 25
                        0
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        corrupt policemen went on trial.

                        And how much were they given? They were simply otmazyvat there, and yet the matter on very serious articles had to go through.

                        Quote: SanichSan
                        I wanted to start fiercely to object, but I thought, and apparently you are right. those who live on the ruble they are the people? of course people! in the country their power, the power of the people, and therefore real democracy!
                        but then it’s not very clear who we are and the remaining 98% of the country's population?

                        They are citizens, but, it seems to me, they can be attributed to a special group - those in power or those in power.

                        Quote: SanichSan
                        Yeah ... there’s the same democracy in France and how many people have achieved in 2 years of speaking? real, 100-200 thousand, and not 5k in the swamp ... by the way, in a country with a significantly smaller population. what did they achieve? nothing.

                        They succeeded, the government made concessions in terms of requests.

                        Quote: SanichSan
                        everything is very simple, if you are for the power of the majority then you are for communism, if you are for the power of an insignificant minority then you are for capitalism.

                        It is fundamentally not true, for capitalism is quite capable of managing the relatively high level of benefits for the majority in comparison with the communist regimes (except, and even with a stretch, the DPRK has no power left.
                      3. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 22 November 2019 15: 20
                        0
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        And how much were they given? They were simply otmazyvat there, and yet the matter on very serious articles had to go through.

                        since I do not know what happened after the institution of criminal cases, I will not argue.
                        but it’s also ambiguous with the blogger .. how many times has the victory over the redhead turned into a fierce harassment? remember Pavlensky? he was a hero for the opposition, but now he is fooling about in a French fool ...
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        They are citizens, but, it seems to me, they can be attributed to a special group - those in power or those in power.

                        ok, but who are we? within the framework of the term "democracy" we are definitely not a people in Russia. I mean 98% are not "those in power."
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        They succeeded, the government made concessions in terms of requests.

                        what kind? delayed price increases for several months? They promised that now they will not cancel social benefits, but will cancel them later? what has changed? what have you achieved? Macron’s reforms have not been canceled, just a little time-shifted. the same victory as changing the retirement period with us laughing
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        It is fundamentally not true, for capitalism is quite capable of managing the relatively high level of benefits for the majority in comparison with the communist regimes (except, and even with a stretch, the DPRK has no power left.

                        where does it cope? in Germany, where in 2018 they recognized that poverty has ceased to be a marginal phenomenon? or in the USA where in some states 30% of the population is homeless? and note that we are talking about the metropolis. and you look at how they live in their colonies wink how fiercely thriving south america. what an incredibly high standard of living in Iraq where the US steals oil. how Africa is thriving.
                        when I talked about communism, I talked about Stalinist communism. then the people in power would be just the people - 90% of the population.
                      4. NordOst16
                        NordOst16 22 November 2019 21: 28
                        0
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        but also with the blogger is also ambiguous ..

                        Well, what could be ambiguous with him if they tried to hang criminality on him on knowingly false charges?

                        Quote: SanichSan
                        ok, but who are we? within the framework of the term "democracy" we are definitely not a people in Russia. I mean 98% are not "those in power."

                        I agree, but these are our problems, you need to be a little more active as for me.

                        Quote: SanichSan
                        what kind? delayed price increases for several months? They promised that now they will not cancel social benefits, but will cancel them later? what has changed? what have you achieved? Macron’s reforms have not been canceled, just a little time-shifted. the same victory as changing the retirement period with us

                        But still postponed, and then we'll see how it goes. Maybe they will enter through other doors, so that if not so, then they can push contractions differently. But still there is a reaction to the protests and this is already good.

                        Quote: SanichSan
                        where does it cope? in Germany, where in 2018 they recognized that poverty has ceased to be a marginal phenomenon? or in the USA where in some states 30% of the population is homeless?

                        Well, in our country, this is not a marginal phenomenon either, especially when you consider that our level "below the poverty line" is much lower than over the hill.

                        Quote: SanichSan
                        and note that we are talking about the metropolis. and you look at how they live in their colonies as fiercely prospering South America.

                        Well, we have Central Asia, too, would not say that it is booming. Yes, and traditional allies of the Russian Federation since the time of the Soviets, too, do not shine with high standards of living. This process is quite explainable because for it to arrive somewhere, it is necessary for it to disappear somewhere.


                        Quote: SanichSan
                        when I talked about communism, I talked about Stalinist communism. then the people in power would be just the people - 90% of the population.

                        Then the people, by definition, could not be power, for the people completely belonged (as well as their accumulation) to the state. And citizens were for the state, and not vice versa.
                      5. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 26 November 2019 17: 47
                        0
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        Well, what could be ambiguous with him if they tried to hang criminality on him on knowingly false charges?

                        see wink have not seen a single decent liberal opposition in Russia request
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        I agree, but these are our problems, you need to be a little more active as for me.
                        be a little more active to what? to replace one oligarch with another? what
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        Then the people, by definition, could not be power, for the people completely belonged (as well as their accumulation) to the state. And citizens were for the state, and not vice versa.

                        truth? they told you so at school or did you see a movie? laughing
                        I have other data. in the USSR there was a mechanism that allowed citizens to interrupt the powers of their deputy if he poorly protects their interests, now there is no such possibility. by the way, not in any democratic country, but in the "bloody scoop" was.
                        say "citizens were for the state, and not vice versa"? haven't you seen the memchik about the deputies?

                        left power under the USSR, right power today. not only in Russia, everywhere.
                      6. NordOst16
                        NordOst16 26 November 2019 18: 41
                        0
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        let's see have not seen a single decent liberal opposition in Russia

                        And I am the president and high-ranking officials.

                        Quote: SanichSan
                        be a little more active to what? to replace one oligarch with another?

                        Well, almost, only this shift process should always be quick and extremely painful for those who sat on the top and forgot about the earth.

                        Quote: SanichSan
                        truth? they told you so at school or did you see a movie?

                        First-hand received - from parents, parents of my friends and teachers.

                        Quote: SanichSan
                        I have other data. in the USSR there was a mechanism that allowed citizens to interrupt the powers of their deputy if he poorly protects their interests, now there is no such possibility. by the way, not in any democratic country, but in the "bloody scoop" was.

                        And the "bloody scoop" and about the freedom of expression was written, but only in Novocherkassk, in response, workers received a burst of small arms. And on all sorts of "voluntary" subbotniks (and not only), when IEM employees had to sort out frozen cabbage at vegetable depots (then they sold this waste to people) and monitor the language because provocateurs could easily be planted.
                        So what is written on paper is far from being a fact in reality.


                        Quote: SanichSan
                        say "citizens were for the state, and not vice versa"? haven't you seen the memchik about the deputies?

                        And you, apparently, do not know a joke about a little girl from a kindergarten who cried and wanted in the USSR.

                        Quote: SanichSan
                        left power under the USSR, right power today. not only in Russia, everywhere.

                        They just forgot to put the deputy in scarce clothes on the picture, by the way, but what is the deficit and the queues for the blue bird?
                      7. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 27 November 2019 14: 06
                        0
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        And I am the president and high-ranking officials.

                        Yes, I didn’t find the chairmen of the decent Politburo. Khrushchev began to destroy the power of the people.
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        Well, almost, only this shift process should always be quick and extremely painful for those who sat on the top and forgot about the earth.

                        about the earth ???? Who? Sobchak, Yavlinsky and Bulk ??? belay our government protects the interests of domestic oligarchs, and the opposition is foreign. whom do you see to replace the current government? I do not observe such forces in Russia. request
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        First-hand received - from parents, parents of my friends and teachers.

                        were Kolyma afraid? all for Dudu? laughing
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        And the "bloody scoop" and about freedom of expression was written, but only in Novocherkassk, in response, workers received a burst of small arms.

                        Well, Duc when the "workers" began to seize the police stations and plunder the weapons rooms here in any country, a queue of small arms is supposed to be. I understand that you were not told about the seizure of weapons? only about the bloody red?
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        And on all sorts of "voluntary" subbotniks (and not only), when IEM employees had to sort out frozen cabbage at vegetable depots (then they sold these waste to people) and keep track of the language because provocateurs could easily be planted.
                        yes you would not trifle wink just about the Yeltsin era when Russia lived from credit to credit and drug addicts were scattered on the streets. when homeless people sat in the gateway and every 2-3 days they killed someone in a neighboring yard or in yours. privatization, Yavlinsky reforms and the destruction of thousands of enterprises. the impoverishment of millions and the enrichment of units.
                        Oh. it's not a scoop anymore. same, democracy and friendship with all neighbors. awkward somehow happened laughing
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        They just forgot to put the deputy in scarce clothes on the picture, by the way, but what is the deficit and the queues for the blue bird?
                        when? under Stalin? to get scarce clothes while the leader has only the old jacket, boots and pipe from his property? perhaps this is a good application for a ticket to sunny Magadan wink
                      8. NordOst16
                        NordOst16 7 December 2019 16: 07
                        -1
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        Yes, I didn’t find the chairmen of the decent Politburo. Khrushchev began to destroy the power of the people.

                        And there was nothing to destroy because the power of the people was not from the very beginning of the existence of the USSR.

                        Quote: SanichSan
                        about the earth ???? Who? Sobchak, Yavlinsky and Bulk ??? our government protects the interests of domestic oligarchs, and the opposition is foreign. whom do you see to replace the current government? I do not observe such forces in Russia.

                        Those. if there are recyclables around, then you need to sit silently and continue to consume it?

                        Quote: SanichSan
                        Well, Duc when the "workers" began to seize the police stations and plunder the weapons rooms here in any country, a queue of small arms is supposed to be. I understand that you were not told about the seizure of weapons? only about the bloody red?

                        Usually they use the forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs for this, but here, apparently, the people's power was very scared of the people, as always in general.
                        But they didn’t tell you anything about the shortage of goods and housing, as well as the desire of the plant’s authorities for the same salary to make people work much more (something does not change under rotting capitalism, not in blooming socialism).

                        Quote: SanichSan
                        Oh. it's not a scoop anymore. same, democracy and friendship with all neighbors. awkward somehow happened

                        Oh, and how well it lived in the village during collectivization, when all the resources were squeezed out of the village for the sake of buying industrial goods over the hill, the security councils were not what they are in our time. Subsequently, the surviving agricultural sector made itself felt when the USSR began to purchase food products over the hill.

                        Quote: SanichSan
                        when? under Stalin? to get scarce clothes while the leader has only the old jacket, boots and pipe from his property? perhaps this is a good application for a ticket to sunny Magadan

                        And also the maids of some "workers and peasants" in large cities. Everyone around was equal, but someone was smoother.
                      9. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 9 December 2019 18: 07
                        0
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        And there was nothing to destroy because the power of the people was not from the very beginning of the existence of the USSR.

                        liberal mantra wink I recommend teaching history not from modern films, but from historical documents. familiarize yourself with the level of social stratification under Stalin and now. only on facts and not on slops like the movie "Holiday" yes
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        Those. if there are recyclables around, then you need to sit silently and continue to consume it?

                        No, of course, but to ruin a working system without an alternative is the height of stupidity! do you have an alternative I'm not watching yet ...
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        Usually they use the forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

                        Where? in any civilized country, an army is used for this. Exactly at the same time in the USA, the shooting of students at the University of Kent. here he is an example of civilization! yes
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        But they didn’t tell you anything about the shortage of goods and housing.

                        I really said that the government was "white and fluffy"? no. I just recalled that there were quite objective reasons for using the army.
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        Oh, and how well it was in the countryside during collectivization

                        certainly better than before. when the whole village hunches over for food on one fist who robbed everyone, it is a very dubious happiness. Or are you an adherent of "French rolls crunch"? laughing and you don’t want a 16-hour working day without days off and holidays? and the contract for a year and life is a year in debt by the fact that payment is only at the end of the contract and then you still have to stay? but will you pay for your beloved fist in slavish conditions? or do you sincerely believe that you would be the very fist? laughing
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        And also the maids of some "workers and peasants" in large cities. Everyone around was equal, but someone was smoother.

                        "From each according to his capabilities - to each according to his needs!"
                        once again I ask you to get acquainted with the level of stratification of society and what it was connected with. By the way, who then had maids and who they are now wink
                        under the head of the country who owns clothes, boots and a pipe, using his position for enrichment is a good application for a trip to sunny Magadan. and now they are trying to pass off as "victims of repression" yes a good example of Korolev.
          2. hrych
            hrych 11 November 2019 19: 06
            +2
            Quote: NordOst16
            new currency - big data

            Virtual money, i.e. they seem to exist, but they do not seem to exist. The EMP of nuclear weapons, as well as a solar magnetic storm, like in the 19th century, where electronics were limited to teletype, will destroy semiconductor devices. Therefore, our aircraft builders, joysticks are duplicated by hydraulics. Then sparks flew from the "oak" teletypes. What will happen to the microcircuit? And supposedly this solar storm is waiting for a cyclical repetition. This is because I would not count on terabytes. Moreover, in military systems, computers require very modest requirements, this is not a virtual reality of games and films. Military electronics require an algorithm - identified, pointed, captured, struck.
            1. NordOst16
              NordOst16 11 November 2019 22: 10
              +1
              I'm not talking about currency, but about the information that people leave on the network.
              Oil at one time, like big data was not in demand, but now everything is changing. Those who can receive them and process them efficiently will be able to more successfully influence people's behavior, come up with new things faster. Information and computing power in our century play a huge role and it is a pity that Russia is not a leader here
        2. Observer2014
          Observer2014 11 November 2019 22: 49
          -2
          hrych (Hrych) Minus from me. How much can you not print articles, print articles? At least honestly. hi
    2. hydrox
      hydrox 11 November 2019 11: 41
      -2
      Doubtful.
      Well, if reliable statistics on the country's economy are not kept in Russia, then what can we expect statistical data on the economy of Moscow Region?
  4. Pavel57
    Pavel57 11 November 2019 10: 44
    +4
    The data are divergent, but still curious.
  5. aszzz888
    aszzz888 11 November 2019 10: 53
    +3
    And the quantity / cost of these flights is crammed into the budget for the defense of the meriticos? request Then the number of departures / hours for EVERY unit of their fleet should be scored request
    1. askort154
      askort154 11 November 2019 11: 06
      -2
      aszzz888 ...... And the quantity / cost of these flights is crammed into the budget for the defense of the mericosia?

      Everything is simpler with them. Everything is crammed into the "printing press". yes hi
  6. Galleon
    Galleon 11 November 2019 10: 56
    +2
    Something is wrong in the American kingdom, if the wrong money began to be counted. With such calculations, one can even come to perestroika: "the economy must be economical," "unprofitability" of all kinds, and other absurdities.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 11 November 2019 11: 10
      +11
      They carefully considered operating costs always. Such tables existed for technology both 20 and 50 years ago.
      Russians sincerely believe that the United States prints dollars "as much as they want." If that were the case, then there would be no huge US domestic debt (it would be covered with printed dollars). And the dollar would have fallen against other currencies long ago.
      1. askort154
        askort154 11 November 2019 11: 46
        +3
        voyaka. ....Russians sincerely believe that the US is printing dollars "as much as they want."

        Almost every state has its own "printing press".
        When the dollar was pegged to gold, the printing press in the United States was no different. But the United States has become a "world hegemon" from the very moment when the Fed was created and the dollar was detached from "gold."
        Now it doesn't matter what the dollar is backed by (stock of paper and paint), it is important that it was artificially, violently made the world currency. Who resists, remember De Gaulle, and as the whole world was shown online, the death of Gaddafi. So, for the United States, "domestic debt" is not important, it is simply a familiar statistic. And this will be until the dollar is broken. Now Russia is an "enemy" for the United States not only because of military ambitions, their main irritant is Russia's desire to get away from the dollar itself and, to take away some countries.hi
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 11 November 2019 12: 03
          +5
          "And this will be until the dollar is broken." ////
          ----
          The naive error of the Russians. smile The USA was the leader economically when the dollar was not the main reserve currency. And tied to the British pound and gold.
          It is likely that the main reserve currency will be the yuan or some cryptocurrency, with which private banks, credit companies and central banks of countries will agree to work.
          Will America collapse? Not at all. The dollar will remain, and the developed US economy will not go anywhere either. And 10 aircraft carriers will not rust.
          ----
          "their main irritant is Russia's desire to get away from the dollar itself" ////
          -----
          They made fun! The Russian economy is a dwarf compared to the US economy. Even if Russia does not keep a single dollar in its reserves, this will not affect the US situation.
          1. Camrad
            Camrad 11 November 2019 12: 55
            +1
            In the dreams of our enemies and their cheaters, Russia may be a "dwarf", but in fact one of the world's leading economies. The cost of futures, options, coupons and other paper "power" will sooner or later return to its base (i.e. paper and toner), and "backward gas stations", whatever one may say, are real production and produce real and demanded product. Events in Syria, Venezuela, Ukraine, the situation with the South and North Streams only confirm this.
            1. Keyser soze
              Keyser soze 11 November 2019 13: 26
              +3
              In the dreams of our enemies and their cheaters, Russia may be a "dwarf", but in fact one of the leading economies in the world.


              And here are the facts themselves:

              Russia, 1913 year - 13,1% of world GDP
              USSR, 1980 - 12,7%
              RF, 2018 - 1,93% of world GDP

              USA, 2018, - 23,89% of world GDP.
              1. Camrad
                Camrad 11 November 2019 14: 26
                +5
                Statistics is ... The main calculation method. As the GDP was considered in 1913, I don’t know, but I think that the share of real industry in the calculations prevailed, and as I think in 2018, the prevailing share of virtual financial instruments that are not really backed up by anything ... well, except for the numbers on the screen. .. well, yes, the cost of paper (probably from the Russian forest)))) and toner for the printer (I won’t be surprised if it was from Russian raw materials))))
                1. Keyser soze
                  Keyser soze 11 November 2019 17: 30
                  0
                  Statistics is ...


                  When I was little I learned the proverb - "When numbers speak and Gods are silent."
                  I don’t know if this will help you. wink

                  I personally suggest that my fellow citizens who rave about Bulgaria on three seas, nine oceans and 14 moons, go outside, look around and look for something great. If you don’t see this, immediately start working and shut up. No offense to you - so I say only with my fellow citizens.
                  1. Camrad
                    Camrad 11 November 2019 17: 51
                    +3
                    When I was little I learned the proverb - "When numbers speak and Gods are silent."
                    I don’t know if this will help you; wink

                    I personally suggest that my fellow citizens who rave about Bulgaria on three seas, nine oceans and 14 moons, go outside, look around and look for something great. If you don’t see this, immediately start working and shut up. No offense to you - so I say only with my fellow citizens.


                    If I understand correctly, you are from Bulgaria. Maybe you will be pleased with the figures of the specific GDP of Bulgaria in 1913 and 2018, perhaps the Great Economic Miracle happened near our borders, but we are not in the know.
                    1. Keyser soze
                      Keyser soze 11 November 2019 18: 35
                      +2
                      Maybe you will be pleased with the figures of the specific GDP of Bulgaria in the 1913 and 2018 years, maybe the Great Economic Miracle happened near our borders, but we are not in the know.


                      We were talking about Russia, but if we are talking about Bulgaria, then no, I can’t please you with a great economic miracle. We do not have it. We are the most backward country in the EU. GDP per capita approx. 9 thousand green. It sucks. The average salary is a shame at all - 620 euros.

                      Therefore, when I am talking about Great Bulgaria and I want to clarify the degree of greatness with kicks.
                      1. Camrad
                        Camrad 11 November 2019 19: 18
                        +4
                        We were talking about Russia, but if we are talking about Bulgaria, then no, I can’t please you with a great economic miracle. We do not have it. We are the most backward country in the EU. GDP per capita approx. 9 thousand green. It sucks. The average salary is a shame at all - 620 euros.


                        I agree with you about sludge and shame. A tiny, compact country in the center of Europe with a warm climate, good land, ports, unique logistics, a member of the EU and NATO, having got rid of the dubious Big Brother and the shackles of communism for some reason, did not rule the world, but took the honorable 81st place among economies. And this bastard northern neighbor, whose 60% of the territory is in the permafrost zone, managed to get close to the top ten. And if his soldiers had not defended various "brothers" in different wars and would not have wasted their lives, they would probably have been in the first place ...
                      2. Keyser soze
                        Keyser soze 11 November 2019 19: 36
                        +1
                        .... a member of the EU and NATO, getting rid of the dubious Big Brother and the shackles of communism for some reason did not begin to rule the world ....


                        Did you expect this? Interesting ... God, I'm so unhappy that we disappointed you.

                        Good night, I retreat to think how to rule the world, without attracting the attention of orderlies.
                      3. Camrad
                        Camrad 11 November 2019 20: 02
                        +3
                        Did you expect this? Interesting ... God, I'm so unhappy that we disappointed you.
                        Good night, I retreat to think how to rule the world, without attracting the attention of orderlies.


                        That's right!
                        Good night to you too.
            2. Nenie Lynn
              Nenie Lynn 11 November 2019 18: 25
              -2
              Quote: Comrad
              the dreams of our enemies and their cheaters Russia may be a "dwarf", but in fact one of the leading economies in the world

              and what does it produce in order to be a leading economy? Where are the sales markets for the "leading" economy? Well, except for the supply of raw materials, where even there it is not a monopolist.
              1. Camrad
                Camrad 11 November 2019 18: 50
                +4
                and what does it produce in order to be the leading economy? Where are the sales markets for the "leading" economy? Well, except for the supply of raw materials, where even there is not a monopoly.

                Well, yes, the world is full of countries that produce planes, spaceships, icebreakers, nuclear reactors, air defense systems, tanks, supercomputers, lasers ... And even America, beloved by many, is not a monopolist, and it also does not disdain the supply of raw materials ...
                1. Nenie Lynn
                  Nenie Lynn 12 November 2019 00: 59
                  -3
                  Quote: Comrad
                  Well, yes, the world is full of countries that produce planes, spaceships, icebreakers, nuclear reactors, air defense systems, tanks, supercomputers, lasers ... And even America, beloved by many, is not a monopolist, and it also does not disdain the supply of raw materials ...

                  aircraft? for a citizen? don't know
                  all that is listed in a vanishingly small percentage of world production, is just 3%, especially amused with supercomputers lol
                  And the entire defense complex ... they’re producing something there, so all countries are sawing something for themselves, it’s more like an expenditure budget item.
                  1. Camrad
                    Camrad 12 November 2019 07: 36
                    +2
                    aircraft? for a citizen? don't know
                    all that was listed in a vanishingly small percentage of world production, is just 3%, especially amused with supercomputers lol
                    And the entire defense complex ... they’re producing something there, so all countries are sawing something for themselves, it’s more like an expenditure budget item.


                    Dear, please do not skip classes at school, they will at least teach you to hammer words in the Yandex search bar. By the way, their search, postal, navigation systems in Russia are also at a high level, unlike many countries that for some reason think of themselves as Europe.
          2. Oyo Sarkazmi
            Oyo Sarkazmi 11 November 2019 13: 03
            +4
            The US economy is all about financial transactions. Bezos from Amazon has a cash product worth $ 2 billion, and he is "rich" in the ownership of such a company for $ 100 billion. The capitalization of the company is 50 times higher than revenue. Like you have a shovel worth $ 100, and your wealth from this shovel is written in 50 thousand rubles. Because suddenly you will dig up the treasure with gold.
            Take Gazprom. Its capitalization is less than annual revenue. That is, you dig up 300 rubles with a shovel, all the same in Russia you will have a state of 100 rubles.
            More practical indicators are steelmaking, coal / oil production, and wheat harvest. By these parameters, the United States has not gone so far from Russia.
            1. vadsonen
              vadsonen 11 November 2019 14: 14
              -3
              By these parameters, the United States has not gone so far from Russia.

              There are other options.
              You can’t buy a computer, a telephone, an electric drill, a decent car, or a superyacht for the Russian ruble — they simply don’t do this in Russia.
              You can buy anything for the American dollar, because the United States produces almost everything (and is capable of producing everything at all). By these parameters, the United States has gone very far from Russia.
              1. Sanichsan
                Sanichsan 11 November 2019 18: 01
                +4
                Quote: vadsonen
                You can’t buy a computer, a telephone, an electric drill, a decent car, or a superyacht for the Russian ruble — they simply don’t do this in Russia.

                strange .. I bought it all for the Russian ruble. What do you want to say? shout "AAaavse gone !!! 11"? you screamed for so long that everything was lost that it even ceased to be a joke laughing
              2. Camrad
                Camrad 11 November 2019 18: 16
                +3
                Civilian version of the b / a "Tiger"


                You can’t buy a computer, a telephone, an electric drill, a decent car, or a superyacht for the Russian ruble — they simply don’t do this in Russia.
                You can buy anything for the American dollar, because the United States produces almost everything (and is capable of producing everything at all). By these parameters, the United States has gone very far from Russia.


                I did not understand why you can’t buy a Chinese computer or phone for the Russian ruble, both under the Russian and American brand?
                About the fact that AURUS indecent brand guessed ... after all, we are on topwar, the civilian version of the Tiger will be more interesting ...
                I don’t worry about superyachts ...
                They say that you can buy everything for bitcoins, and even a drill (!) And superyachts ... Probably, everything is produced in the country of Bitcoin and it has far gone from Russia in all respects ...
            2. Nenie Lynn
              Nenie Lynn 11 November 2019 18: 28
              -3
              Quote: Oo sarcasm
              Amazon Bezos has $ 2 billion in cash, and he is "rich" in $ 100 billion of such a company.

              if you think that he is only engaged in trade I have bad news for you laughing
          3. vadson
            vadson 11 November 2019 13: 36
            +3
            do not tell me what percentage of services in the gdp of the us economy?
          4. askort154
            askort154 11 November 2019 14: 26
            +5
            voyaka uh .....They made fun! The Russian economy is a dwarf compared to the US economy. Even if Russia does not keep a single dollar in its reserves, this will not affect the US situation.

            I'm glad you have fun. wink
            You laughed so much that you didn’t read it, or didn’t understand.
            "..the desire of Russia to get away from the dollar itself and, to take some countries with it."
            And as you know, any path begins with the first step.
            And the steps have already been taken! For "out-of-dollar" trading among themselves
            have already signed - Russia with China, India, Iran, Venezuela and even a NATO member - Turkey. Work is underway with European states on the transition to the euro-ruble. So you see - "dwarf"
            growing every year. yes hi
        2. spirit
          spirit 11 November 2019 13: 01
          -1
          So we don’t even print now, but simply draw zeros on bank diposites, saving drowning banks hi
      2. Luvad
        Luvad 11 November 2019 12: 28
        0
        Because for the most part not-so-distant
    2. hydrox
      hydrox 11 November 2019 11: 49
      +1
      By the way, the Brezhnev shamans about the economy were then altered into a quite decent look:
      "The economy should be!" but the fact that we have no economy to this day (only false statistics from the Government of the Russian Federation speaks about this) only testifies to the inability of the leadership to first gather the economy out of chaos and then organize the management of this very economy.
    3. basmach
      basmach 11 November 2019 12: 34
      +1
      It is bad when a person does not understand the elementary. In your opinion, the economy should be wasteful. Brezhnev said this, but this principle is always applied in economics. To be economical means to spend min. the quantity of raw materials, man-hours, energy for the production of a unit of production to reduce its cost. Or is it wrong in production?
  7. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 11 November 2019 11: 06
    +2
    I suppose, in this case, bargaining is inappropriate! -)
  8. rocket757
    rocket757 11 November 2019 11: 09
    +7
    Military equipment is not cheap at all, in all respects. This is not an article of income, in any way ... some expenses. And the level is such that they can afford.
  9. tomket
    tomket 11 November 2019 11: 17
    +3
    It is interesting to compare the numbers between f-16 and f-18. There is practically no difference. And between f-18 and f-15, the difference is two times. This is a note to the adherents of the concept that we definitely need a single-engine destroyer, because it is so cheap!
    1. Kurare
      Kurare 11 November 2019 13: 14
      +2
      The cost of the OC-135 Open Skies flight is also curious, almost 100 to $. Is this why the US is going to be pulled out of the Open Skies program?
    2. Pan_hrabio
      Pan_hrabio 11 November 2019 17: 31
      +1
      Why, in this table there is a difference. 8200 in F-16C versus 10500 FA-18F - more than 20% savings, it is likely that it is due to the need to service only 1 engine. There, however, there is also the EA-18G for 9200, but this is an electronic warfare aircraft, there are much fewer of them than the shock version of the F-18.

      If you can save 20%, why not do it using a single-engine aircraft?
      1. tomket
        tomket 11 November 2019 17: 58
        +1
        Quote: Pan_Hrabio
        If you can save 20%, why not do it using a single-engine aircraft?

        Well, as it were, the difference with f-15 would be doubled. And 20% is a penny, for the savings of which you will then pay in the millions in case of engine failure, as sometimes happens with f-16.
  10. Good_Anonymous
    Good_Anonymous 11 November 2019 11: 19
    0
    The network discusses statistics regarding the operation of American aircraft of various classes and modifications.


    Published by?
  11. Puhly67
    Puhly67 11 November 2019 11: 30
    -6
    they do not care for denyushki. still print. and there is no one to present for debts of 23 trillion. all referring ...
  12. Old26
    Old26 11 November 2019 11: 35
    +6
    Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
    That's when our budget will be equal to their budget, and when the ruble will be the world currency, let's compare! -)

    That is NEVER.
    I was once taught that one of the basic rules for working with information is comparability. But this does not work. For example, I am interested (thinking that others too) the comparative cost of an hour of flight V-1 and TU-160, V-52 and TU-95.
  13. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 11 November 2019 11: 46
    +1
    It’s ugly to consider money in someone else’s pocket, but here is another case - the Americans themselves became interested in part of the cost of their Air Force. Given the fact that the 21st century is in the yard and aviation has stepped far, it can be considered that the costs are probably justified. It is clear that the costs of heavy aircraft with several engines will be several times higher than the costs of lighter ones. But airplanes can’t fly without fuel and are not made of wood and percale.
  14. Maks1995
    Maks1995 11 November 2019 12: 57
    0
    A year ago they wrote that the cost of departure F 16 - 8, F 35 -12 thousand.
    And suddenly such a growth ....
  15. Operator
    Operator 11 November 2019 13: 38
    +3
    Quote: Keyser Soze
    Russia, 1913 year - 13,1% of world GDP ... RF, 2018 - 1,93% of world GDP

    In 1913, world GDP at 100% was formed in the real sector of the economy, now it is good if at 10%.
  16. Alien From
    Alien From 11 November 2019 13: 42
    0
    Let's hope that their printing press sticks))))))
    1. vadsonen
      vadsonen 11 November 2019 14: 33
      -3
      Putin and Medvedev will be the first to offer assistance in repairing - they are not buying villas / yachts for rubles.
  17. Ros 56
    Ros 56 11 November 2019 15: 01
    +1
    This is a penny compared to the debt of striped at 23 trillion greens.
  18. gvozdan
    gvozdan 11 November 2019 15: 50
    +1
    Perhaps the cost of the hour also includes the cost of the plane divided by the resource
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