Aftenposten: East Germans feel like second-class people after the 30 anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall

Aftenposten, a major Norwegian publication, published an article dedicated to the 30 anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall and today's events in Europe. Author Eirin Hurum notes that "30 years ago, communism seemed to have completely fallen, and democracy reigned in Europe." At the same time, the author of the material asks the question: what is happening in Europe today?

Eirin Hurum:

The Berlin Wall collapsed 30 years ago, then Germany reunited under universal jubilation. But what do we see today? Residents of the eastern lands of Germany still feel like second-class people.

Further, the author writes that Eastern Europeans do not hide the fact that they are largely disappointed with the events that followed the fall of the Berlin Wall.

From material in Aftenposten:

Dissatisfaction is closely linked to the high expectations of the East Europeans regarding what was about to happen. Many were disappointed that they did not become like Western Europe in one night. Instead, they were marked as second-rate.

Against this background, Norway recalled the recently published results of a survey of US citizens, which revealed that the number of people experiencing an antipathy to communism, communist ideology in the United States continues to decline.

The results of a survey of 12,5 of thousands of residents of Central and Eastern Europe are also presented. The results show that Eastern Europeans (primarily citizens of Bulgaria, Romania and Hungary) are increasingly pessimistic about the benefits of European integration and democracy. Residents of Eastern Europe note that they do not see real free choice, democracy, declare their disappointment with their political figures and their distrust of the official media.

76% of respondents in Bulgaria said that there is no free choice. 52% of Hungarians and 54% of Romanians also think so. In Poland, the number of skeptics is less, but the percentage is still quite impressive - 34%. In Slovakia - 30%, in the Czech Republic - 21%. In Germany - only 19%, but the vast majority of this number are Germans from the eastern federal states.

Comments

[Mountain shooter]

They fell for sausage and jeans ... We ate quickly, and then what? But nothing ... Emptiness, "tolerance", militant sexual minorities ... Sexual bacchanalia at school, the dominance of migrants ... Taxes, taxes ... And East Germans were recorded as second-class people, and ... left there.

[svp67]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

On the sausage and jeans seduced ...

No, it's worse ... on strawberries and bananas ...

[Spartanez300]

Maybe you should rebuild the wall then.
And it would not hurt us to return to the times of the USSR.

[svp67]

Quote: Spartanez300

Maybe you should rebuild the wall then.

This is not for us to decide.

[basmach]

And who, if not us?
And so it is certainly good. I am for a collective farm, but in a neighboring village. Uncle will come and decide everything for me. No, we are pro-profane, and we (and our children) will correct this.

[Tatyana]

Eirin Hurum:

The Berlin Wall collapsed 30 years ago, then Germany reunited under universal jubilation. But what do we see today? Residents of the eastern lands of Germany still feel like second-class people.

I remembered.

On 17 of April 1991 of the year I participated in the international n / a conference at the St. Petersburg Institute of Political Science. The Germans were former Germans of the GDR.
Then after the fall of the Berlin Wall only 2,5 of the year passed. And the results for the East Germans were already negatively visible. The disappointment of the German workers in their expectations was massive and more than enormous, but the situation in the country - to restore the GDR - was no longer possible to win back.

East Germans told us about the consequences fall of the "Berlin Wall" as a result of the unification of Germany according to Gorbachev.

And the results of the unification of Germany, the results already at that time were as follows.
1. Privatization by the West of German enterprises of the GDR. The East Germans warned us in the USSR that everything that happened in the GDR after the reunification with West Germany would also happen in the USSR, if we don’t change our minds with this “new thinking” of the pro-Western Gorbach and go the same way.
2. Mass closure of eastern enterprises. Unemployment. The decline in the welfare of East Germans and their mass travel abroad - primarily to West Germany. But in West Germany such an influx of East Germans was not expected. They began to be exploited locally as the cheapest labor.
3. The Germans told us, in particular, that West Germans treat East Germans worse than foreign "labor" migrants. Namely.
The Germans told us that in East Germany, due to the fact that the eastern industries collapsed and terrible unemployment arose in the country, West Germans are almost for nothing now accepting unemployed East Germans with elements of the genocide of East Germans. Namely.
For example. East German women were recruited by West Germans, subject to the presentation of a certificate of their vivisection - i.e. that he underwent surgery to prevent any future pregnancy.

REFERENCE
Vivisection, vivisection (from lat.vivus - live and sectio - dissection) - conducting intravital surgical operations on an animal in order to study the functions of the body (or extracted individual organs), to study the mechanisms of action of drugs, to develop methods of surgical treatment or for educational purposes.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Tatiana

The Germans told us that in East Germany, due to the fact that Eastern industries collapsed and terrible unemployment arose in the country, West Germans almost for free now hire unemployed East Germans with elements of the East German genocide.

Only our media at that time preferred to write, for example, how well a cloister from France lives, smoking Marlborough for putting beer tins on 70 American cents. She, you know, like it.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Only our media at that time preferred to write, for example, how well a cloister from France lives, smoking Marlborough for putting beer tins on 70 American cents. She, you know, like it.

Absolutely.

I remember well, for example, what at that time, for example, the former party newspaper Vecherniy Leningrad (Vecherniy Petersburg) turned into - its party-upside-down editorial board liberoidally “stitched up” on the anti-Soviet in 1989-1991!
And the newspaper Vecherniy Leningrad (Vecherniy Petersburg) became a pro-Western anti-Soviet mouthpiece for the denigration of the entire Soviet and socialist system, the herald of liberal “democracy” for the restoration of bourgeois worldviews and bourgeois transformations in the country.

[seregatara1969]

it was this wall that held back "democracy" - now everything depends on the democracy of capital. expected the best but it turned out as always. hard to realize a mistake for 30 years and beyond

[GRF]

need to go further!
you can not forbid people to self-develop and grow rich, but there should be a restriction on profit from the exploitation of some people by others. for example, 29 trillion of yours, and the 30th, be kind according to the law (where is he?), to the treasury ...
as well: the decisions proposed by the authorities should be approved by the majority of citizens on the Internet portal and implemented by all, and decisions, even existing ones, gaining a majority against, should be reviewed (and no rallies and pogroms)
and most importantly: there must be criminal liability for failure to fulfill election promises, because this is fraud on a particularly large scale, and the corresponding material reward and honor for honest and selfless work ...

[Polymer]

Quote: GRF

need to go further!

What, even further ?! Where already further?

Quote: GRF

and the 30th, be kind according to the law (where is he?), to the treasury ...

And who does he get from the treasury, guess?

[GRF]

Do you think that is all? and nothing else needs to be changed / developed? or everything was so good and right, but why then did the union fall so easily?

Well, at the moment, our state likes to provide state support to the efficient owners of city-forming enterprises, and the fact that the owner is a private, often foreigner, does not really matter ...
and yet, the surplus must be cut and distributed, and this is not communism, but the salvation of capitalism from its crisis of overproduction ... and this "natural" measure of the survival of capitalism will be presented as a great blessing of "socialism"

[mister-red]

I’m tired of repeating everywhere, but I’ll try again for the gifted. All who curse the USSR and ask such questions for some reason think that in 30-40 years in the USSR everything would be as before. No guys, life also changed then. Not so fast, but it was felt. The beginning of the 70s, the end of the 70s and the mid 80s - these are completely different eras. And no one knows what would happen now if the USSR were preserved.
As for the photo - what has actually changed now? The same devices everywhere that give out water, but have long been coffee and other drinks. There is only one difference - disposable glasses. All. (I’m doing coffee machines myself :)) Do you really think that at that time they would be absent? So what is this picture about? The fact that people were not afraid to drink from these faceted glasses and almost never heard that someone picked up something from this ?! So this is a big plus of the Union.

[Bookcase]

You are almost right. Mostly East Germans were led by bananas and the ability to travel the world. I talked to many of the GDR. The vast majority-they want to return socialism. Even the youth.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Spartanez300

Maybe it’s worth it to rebuild the wall then

Too late. She is already in the head ...

[svp67]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

She is already in the head ...

Hurry to destroy it there so and could not

[Civil]

That is, it is better to go around and drive on a trabant than to be second-rate on a Mercedes.

[sniperino]

Quote: Civil

it’s better to go around and drive on a trabant than to be second-rate on a Merc

Some kind of irony is heard. In the same sense that our grandfathers got excited on the Kursk, and now you did not get a Merc?

[AU Ivanov.]

In the sense that we would not have gotten neither Mercians nor Bavarian beer - the dead do not need it. But the people after the Victory (our people, not the Germans) expected the best, but received "Zhigulevskoe" and buckets of nuts called "Zhiguli"

[sniperino]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

But the people after the Victory (our people, not the Germans) expected the best, but received "Zhigulevskoe" and buckets with nuts called "Zhiguli"

Zhigulevskoe in Kuibyshev was made better than many types of beer in Germany are made today. But this is NOT a beer drinker's opinion. And if victory over Germany can be tied to anything here, then perhaps to the people's excessive confidence in the Communist Party. Perhaps, if the people did not "expect the best", at meetings and congresses, everyone did not vote "for", then the development of the country would not lose momentum, then two unbeaten geldings would be given for one beaten Moskvich.))

[AU Ivanov.]

In Samara, beer was and is excellent, I admit it. Homeland of the brand "Zhigulevskoe"
Victory can only be tied to one thing - love of the motherland. So it was during the attack of Hitler and the invasion of Napoleon, although no communist parties existed in the 19th century.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: AU Ivanov.

In the sense that we would not have gotten neither Mercians nor Bavarian beer - the dead do not need it. But the people after the Victory (our people, not the Germans) expected the best, but received "Zhigulevskoe" and buckets of nuts called "Zhiguli"

Well, they had their own "buckets with nuts", but now? You sit in a loaned audyuh and live in an apartment taken on a mortgage. You live and ride while you have something to pay on the loan, and if you don’t, then tomorrow there’s no audiuhi or hut, because this is not your good, but banking + a frightened face and nerves to hell from the visits of collectors. Each pore has its own charms, only in today's Russia a person is more powerless than it was in the era of the Soviets. Then there were rights guaranteed by the state, but now there are only obligations to the state.

[AU Ivanov.]

You see, living in a dormitory or communal apartment and waiting until they condescend to you and allocate housing is also no better. And it was impossible to buy a car here and now - in turn, the children of the Ukins, in turn! About the quality of the car in general I am silent.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

You see, living in a dormitory or communal apartment and waiting until they condescend to you and allocate housing is also no better.

You write as if there was no alternative. Could buy a house from the heirs. There were cooperatives. Could exchange a communal apartment with surcharge. Or do you want a freebie?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: AU Ivanov.

You see, living in a dormitory or communal apartment and waiting until they condescend to you and allocate housing is also no better. And it was impossible to buy a car here and now - in turn, the children of the Ukins, in turn! About the quality of the car in general I am silent.

You are comparing from the point of view of the consumer and in the projection with 30 years ago, which is not correct even compared to the period of five years ago in the projection to 2014. Even FOR FIVE years, the level of per capita income has decreased as well as its purchasing power, and you are trying to use a card from 30 years ago as a bargaining chip. Now, if not "ukin's children are in line," then "the same ukin's children must jump in a jump for a loan," without which they also won't buy anything. For 30 years, the whole world has changed and, accordingly, the quality of technology and life. Who was China 30 years ago? God bless him with China, but even the US and Europe 30 years ago were different and came to a worse state than they were.

[nedgen]

Quote: AU Ivanov.

You see, living in a dormitory or communal apartment and waiting until they condescend to you and allocate housing is also no better. And it was impossible to buy a car here and now - in turn, the children of the Ukins, in turn! About the quality of the car in general I am silent.

Well, living in a communal apartment isn’t good, BUT they ate NORMALLY AND QUALITY PRODUCTS, but not what the hell. And about low-quality cars, my grandmother said in two. These buckets with nuts called Zhiguli still drive, and try to drive more than 250 on the latest modern BMW !!! Yes, buy it twice because of poor-quality ORIGINAL parts that break down almost immediately after installation.

[AU Ivanov.]

The products were quality yes. And there was much less electromagnetic pollution. Why? And then there were no such technologies: neither surrogation of food products, nor cellular communications. Therefore, the products were natural - have not yet learned either to modify genetically or to produce substitutes. And under the tsar - priest any product was 100% natural. Alas, progress.

[nedgen]

Quote: AU Ivanov.

The products were quality yes. And there was much less electromagnetic pollution. Why? And then there were no such technologies: neither surrogation of food products, nor cellular communications. Therefore, the products were natural - have not yet learned either to modify genetically or to produce substitutes. And under the tsar - priest any product was 100% natural. Alas, progress.

It is rather a regress in search of profit

[Per se.]

Quote: sniperino

Some kind of irony is heard.

If a person got the opportunity to buy a foreign car (albeit a second-hand one) and seized upon an abundance of whipping beer, this is for some a criterion of happiness (in the USSR it did not). However, not everything is assessed by the stomach and the penis, and the "torsos" cannot understand this, especially since in terms of material well-being, the Soviet government had many advantages. It was necessary to go through this, to experience temptations, "forbidden fruit". The main thing is that capitalism has thrown off its sheep's clothing, showed its true guise, werewolves-opportunists have designated themselves, that the country has surrendered and the party has been discredited. The new Union, the new Communist Party must take into account the mistakes of the past. Without socialism, there is no bright future for Russia, and by and large, for the entire earthly civilization. As for the "Mercedes", people also have different ones.

[210ox]

They were led about ... They (at least the majority) were thrown, betrayed. But they feel like people here with us, coming on a business trip.

[saveall]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

On the sausage and jeans seduced ...

And we did not fall for it ..?

[Doliva63]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

They fell for sausage and jeans ... We ate quickly, and then what? But nothing ... Emptiness, "tolerance", militant sexual minorities ... Sexual bacchanalia at school, the dominance of migrants ... Taxes, taxes ... And East Germans were recorded as second-class people, and ... left there.

In general, as everywhere after the collapse of the Union.

[bessmertniy]

Eastern Europeans compared with Western Europeans are second-class people. Therefore, among them, there remains a longing for the time when they were treated humanly.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Send these disgruntled on a tour of some of the former republics of the collapsed Soviet Union. I think that when they examine Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Armenia, Moldova, Ukraine, they will feel like celestials ....

[svp67]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

I think that when they examine Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Armenia, Moldova, Ukraine, they will feel like celestials ....

Enough to Ukraine ... and they will immediately remember HOW THEY WERE GOOD IN GDR

[ℳy ℒiƒℯ]

they will immediately remember HOW THEY WERE GOOD IN THE GDR

They were so happy that the Gdrov authorities decided to enclose the floor of Berlin with a five-meter wall and open fire to defeat the East Germans who would try to flee west.
But generally interesting. I understand when the Russians say how good it was under the USSR. But when the Russians say how good it was for the Germans in the GDR or the Czechs and Poles in the socialist camp, this is certainly fun.

[svp67]

Quote: ℳy ℒiƒℯ

I understand when the Russians say how good it was under the USSR. But when the Russians say how good the Germans were in the GDR or the Czechs and Poles in the socialist camp, this is certainly fun.

So I lived in those days in the GDR, so I can compare ... And were you there at that time?
So, that you should be "pinned" more, that you do not know ANYTHING, but you are trying to judge ...

[Uncle lee]

72% want to go back to the USSR ... And "the former GDRs really yearn for the GDR and Trabant costs up to 5 thousand euros!

[bessmertniy]

It’s not enough just to want to return, one must be able to return, be able to maintain the best, and be able to choose the right decisions. But this is not. At the helm are people who are interested in their pocket, and not the interests of the people.

[svp67]

Quote from Uncle Lee

and "Trabant"

"Trabant", of course, is a cool machine, but they also produced these, "Warburg" was called

[AU Ivanov.]

And is it a German car? Shame! For the fathers of the car industry - a double disgrace!

[svp67]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

And is it a German car? Shame! For the fathers of the car industry - a double disgrace!

Shame ????? And who at that time could make a composite case? And they could. So don’t look externally, dig deep

[AU Ivanov.]

Fiberglass body and two-stroke (sic!) Engine? Is fuel a mixture of gasoline and oil? And if you compare Wartburg with modern Golf or Audi 50? After all, squalor.

[svp67]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

And if you compare Wartburg with modern Golf or Audi 50? After all, squalor.

The issue is controversial. If we take the characteristics of speed and comfort, then yes, Westerners are ahead. But in the matter of economy and practicality, the "West Germans" are the losers

[AU Ivanov.]

How can a two-stroke, essentially a motorcycle, non-timing engine be more economical than a four-stroke?

[nedgen]

Quote: AU Ivanov.

Fiberglass body and two-stroke (sic!) Engine? Is fuel a mixture of gasoline and oil? And if you compare Wartburg with modern Golf or Audi 50? After all, squalor.

Well, if you compare today's Audi and Golf with cars of the 2050th, too, there will be complete squalor

[AU Ivanov.]

I compared Wartburg with his contemporaries. It seems like he and they are German cars. But there is one caveat.

[nedgen]

Have you ever seen Wartburg at least once? Not to mention that they drove or at least someone drove a vaz on it? This is unlikely. I didn’t see his folksquagen at all, but the Warturgs still go somewhere. I saw with my eyes and rode on it. Wow. Riding it is definitely more comfortable than on the VW golf models, although it does not shine with the interior decoration. Goes softer definitely

[Far B]

Many were disappointed that they did not become like Western Europe in one night.

Figase night. 30 years stretched. This is not even polar, it's some kind of Neptunian night.

[Andrey Chistyakov]

For that fought for it and ran...

[aszzz888]

Andrey Chistyakov (Andrey Chistyakov) Today, 09: 04 NEW
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For that fought for it and ran...

Yes. Therefore, let them not whine about the past.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Andrey Chistyakov

For that fought for it and ran...

Of the 6000 large enterprises of the GDR, only a few remained. I am personally very familiar with the shipyards in Stralsund, Wismar and Warnemünde. In 1989-1990, right after the "fall of the wall" I stood at the "People's Shipyard" in Stralsund, the people rejoiced, "What a blessing, we are Europe, the Germans are with us and will help us live like in Germany" so were many, but more reasonable they thought differently "They will buy us out for the" brand ", they will destroy everything, and they will kick us in the ass." In 1991 there was no warranty repair, the ships were not built (there were no Russian orders) and less than half of the workers already worked. Here everyone already understood the "case of seams". And then the Russians (Vitaly Yusufov) and Koreans bought it out, and now they have already ruined everything. As you Andrei write "For what they fought."

[askort154]

Of the East Germans, the best was the Komsomol member Merkel.

[Andrey Chistyakov]

Quote: askort154

Of the East Germans, the best was the Komsomol member Merkel.

In addition, she is a pastor's daughter ....

[svp67]

Quote: askort154

Of the East Germans, the best was the Komsomol member Merkel.

No, not only her. A certain number of specialists easily adapted to "Western" life, but this was a very small part

[aszzz888]

Well, this frau

askort154 (Alexander) Today, 09: 06 NEW
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Of the East Germans, the best was the Komsomol member Merkel.

this tovarisch pulled up.

Helmut Josef Michael Kohl, March 12, 1987 January 18, 1991 German Christian Democratic Union / Christian Social Union in Bavaria. Years of life. (1930-2017)

[sniperino]

Quote: askort154

Of the East Germans, the best was the Komsomol member Merkel.

She was a secretary in the Komsomol. Our Komsomol members also learned to assent at the right time in the right place and often showed miracles of changing shoes on the fly. Not all, of course, but very often behaved opportunistically.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: askort154

Of the East Germans, the best was the Komsomol member Merkel.

Yes, Frau put On That Horse.

[Alex Nevs]

All of them will have a good future. And with sausage and gingerbread.

[knn54]

You had a job, you had apartments. You had good schools. You had a stable currency and a guaranteed pension. You could safely walk around Berlin Alexanderplatz all night long. And you did not have Turks. But that was not enough for you.
You wanted more. You dreamed of luxury cars, because the Wartburg was not very elegant for you. You wanted bananas, because you didn't like our homemade apples either. You wanted to have a German mark in your wallet, because the GDR mark did not have a great price for you. You dreamed of freedom of speech, although in the GDR no one forbade you to speak, well, if only about socialism.
You were eager for Germany, and you got there.
Everything that Western television "forgot" to tell you then, it does not tell today. And in those days it was forbidden in the West to talk openly about the problems associated with foreigners. Double standards reigned in the FRG in the past as well. There was a right for the Germans, and it was spelled out in the laws. But there was another right for foreigners - politicians manipulated it to achieve their goals. But you were glad to be deceived. Western propaganda was the same lie as ours, it was just more beautifully crafted. It didn’t cost anything to figure out our propaganda, especially to such hardened cunning as you. But Western television fooled you as it wanted.
Look at your life. You've got your hands on luxury cars - on credit. You have achieved wealth - on credit. You have become slaves to banks. Yes, you had to save up for the Wartburgs, but you just paid for them in cash, like proud free people. Your GDR stamps on your passbooks gave you good interest, and you all had substantial savings. Now you have nothing. Even the German mark - and that is not. You were guaranteed a pension in the GDR. Now there is too little of it for life ... and even for death. Your children in GDR schools could read and write in just six weeks. Now they are unable to do this even in the third grade. It never occurred to anyone to be afraid of something, even in a big city, in Berlin, and no one was killed at Alexanderplatz. Today you are afraid in the evenings to stick your nose out of your home in your home village, where hordes of Afghan "refugees" roam the streets. And our police, our people's army! They were always too Prussian for you, too harsh. And now you are talking about the people's militia and looking after firearms for yourself, since you can no longer count on the help of the state. In the GDR, everything went according to plan, even your life. Now you don't know what will happen to you tomorrow. Hope you at least gorged on the scarce bananas?
After all, freedom of speech is still unattainable for you.
Remember how you all shouted: "Open our borders!" Today you dream to be closed. But you cannot close what is not ..
You wanted to enjoy Germany without limits. Enjoy it.
Letter (from another world) from Erich Honecker, the last Secretary General of the Communist Party of East Germany and the head of the GDR

[Sling cutter]

Quote: knn54

Letter (from another world) from Erich Honecker, the last Secretary General of the Communist Party of East Germany and the head of the GDR

Which Gorbachev safely betrayed.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: knn54

You wanted to enjoy Germany without limits. Enjoy it.

When they were breaking the wall, they enjoyed themselves, drank schnapps for joy, and then a hangover came. Naive people were (like us), they forgot that their shirt was closer to the body and Western "burghers" considered "Why God sent us beggars."

[Ross xnumx]

Here is an interesting story about the Berlin Wall:

[Tenet]

Platoshkin, a populist demagogue ... and all these ex-brothers just sold us cheaply, and they howl that they threw them!

[rotmistr60]

... under universal jubilation

Often, the general jubilation at first quietly turns into despondency, and then gradually into rejection and even hatred. East Germans are not alone in this. This is clearly seen in the examples of the export of US democracy to other countries, the consequences of color revolutions. Today they are rejoicing in Bolivia, anticipating how "happily" they will heal with American support, and tomorrow they will bite their elbows.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

They just had to look at the crested fools. Wiser immediately.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: rotmistr60

Today they are rejoicing in Bolivia, anticipating how "happily" they will heal with American support, and tomorrow they will bite their elbows.

Although they know very well that all of South America does not happily live where the brothers from North America climbed.

[rocket757]

Not everything is as sweet as it was seen from far away .... a common truth about which all / most stubbornly forget.

[Lord of the Sith]

Still divided into "Aussie and Vessey"

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

It's true. The German sailor told me the same. He spoke Russian very well. (Studied at the GDR school)

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

The German sailor told me the same.

And for some reason the Russians blame everything.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

They do not blame us. But East Germans hate Gorbachev. Not all, of course. Most.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

They do not blame us. But East Germans hate Gorbachev.

Yes, and we get it. If the captain of the German Democratic Republic is German, then more than one contract will not work out.

[Mcar]

Author Eirin Hurum notes that “30 years ago, communism seemed to have completely fallen, and democracy reigned in Europe.”

Everywhere I observe this blatant illiteracy - they compare, contrast communism / socialism and democracy. Yeah, the socio-economic formation and the form of political organization of society. Why not warm with soft? That's where exactly totalitarian illiteracy is.

And by the way, the Soviets, especially before 1936, had more democracy. Democracy is not an opportunity to choose from two or more candidates, democracy is a real opportunity to withdraw a chosen person almost instantly. That is exactly what happened in the USSR when a deputy was elected from the collective. And to remove it, if it turned out to be wrong, it is a matter of the general assembly, which could be assembled literally in a day.

As for the East Germans.

Westerners look at them as defeated. Has capitalism triumphed? Won. Hence the corresponding attitude. Capitalism, unlike socialism, knows neither pity, nor magnanimity, nor nobility. For the sake of chistogan, his mother will sell his mother, and already gobble up a lot - just serve it.

In addition, the Oriental still remember how protected they felt in the social. system. They now have something to compare. And the comparison is not in favor of capital.

[AU Ivanov.]

[quoteIt was exactly so in the USSR when a deputy was elected from the collective. [/ quote]
Just do not forget that during the Union, the deputy did not decide anything. A talking head is nothing more. The country was ruled by a few other people who were not elected by the people. So they were reformed.

[Mcar]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

Just do not forget that during the Union, the deputy did not decide anything.

Another liberalist passed the exam perfectly.

What is he deciding now?

Member of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR V. Cherkashin is an honored spinner, a hero of Socialist labor, and this is M. Kozhevnikova, a deputy of the State Duma of Russia, an actress, politician, Playboy star and granddaughter of the general.

[AU Ivanov.]

We have never had democracy, neither in the Union, nor now. And no wonder: the same communists in power, just changed the sign. The prostitutes remained the same. Both the spinner and the actress are the essence of the scenery.

[Zeev Zeev]

Does Angela Merkel feel like a second-rate man? Here is the news ...

[Dali]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

Does Angela Merkel feel like a second-rate man? Here is the news ..

Engage in verbiage, city of Israel.
Merkel was never an East German, neither in spirit nor in conscience. She has always been a hidden enemy of the GDR and the USSR (and especially Russia).

[Zeev Zeev]

Very hidden along the way. And in the pioneers, and in the German Youth Union (these are Komsomol members), and went to the USSR, and a security check was successfully passed before a trip to Germany ....

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Dali

She was always a hidden enemy and the GDR and the USSR (and especially Russia).

She is now a hidden enemy, and in her youth she was open from all sides:

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

Does Angela Merkel feel like a second-rate man?

I suppose I don’t know? You better ask her yourself.

[voyaka uh]

Very revealing ...
Bulgaria is a clear outsider of the EU.
They live poorly, have hardly advanced economically. Unhappy with democracy.
The Czech Republic is one of the leaders. Developed a modern economy. They live well. And they don’t complain about democracy.
Both those and those are Slavs.

[apro]

Come on warrior details ...
And what is the reason ??? it is not clear ...

[Operator]

Eastern European countries received financial bribes from the West for withdrawing from Russia, but at the same time ended up in debt like silk. Therefore, the Eastern Europeans want to go back so that Russia repays their debts, and then they could throw it off again.

[mister-red]

Quote: GRF

for failure to fulfill election promises should be criminalized,

You are late for many years. This is called an imperative mandate and it was almost exclusively in the socialist countries. Now it is only in China, North Korea and Cuba. )))
In all types of democratic countries, deputies do not have an imperative mandate, i.e., he is not responsible for his election promises. For example, in our Constitution of Moldova it is directly written:
Article 68
Representative mandate
(1) In the performance of a mandate, deputies are in the service of the people.
(2) Any imperative mandate is invalid.
Translation into human language: deputies are, of course, servants of the people, but they can grind all nonsense not childishly and cannot be punished for this. I think the Russian constitution says about the same.
PS In fact, you now spoke out for the socialist revolution)))))))

[Nenie Lynn]

major Norwegian publication Aftenposten

RT immediately would have reprinted yet, well, or the messenger of Mordovia, but I didn’t hear such nonsense from the Germans ....

[Klingon]

Quote: Civil

That is, it is better to go around and drive on a trabant than to be second-rate on a Mercedes.

oh well, my son goes to Trabant and believe me pays tax less than he would have paid when he went to Mersa: first, Trabant is all the same an oldtimer (in Germany there is a small tax on retro cars) second: TK. it's a small car, it doesn't pollute the environment much.

[Ros 56]

But it’s not the same with us, it’s good for those who in different ways got into the top 20-30% of our population, and the rest paw in their 10-20 thousand rubles.

[NF68]

There is such a thing. And for a long time it will be so.

[Wolf]

The article is interesting. Strange is full of misunderstanding of the GERMAN NATION! The German nation has never been MONOLITHIC! Another German creation od Bismarck commissioned by the name of the Rothschild. In Bismarck, Luzhichka’s mom is Serb, and how many dad Prus do I remember? It means that there were at least 3 main ethnic groups of the people and today it is so !!! One of these 3 groups, the 2nd Slavs of Prussia, who were already heavily called Slavs, they also scored their LANGUAGE, and turned into a biological group of zombies of the people without their own history, they preserved the traditions of Nekator, most of them scored. Luzhichki Serbia can be said as they were and remained Slavs, preserved the language, did not beat history and preserved the folk tradition and culture. And the 3rd group, the descendants of the Franks, they are already genetically different from the first to the 2nd group, they are the P1B haplogroup, they are closer to the Anglo-Saxons than the Prussians and the Serbs katori P1A haplogroup. The descendants of the Franks always looked at this 2 Slavyansk group as the second kind of ice floe, for the example of Pruse they offensively called PIGS, etc. ...

West Germans almost for free now are hiring unemployed East Germans with elements of the genocide of East Germans. 
For instance. East German women were recruited by West Germans on condition that they presented a certificate of vivisection performed at their place - i.e. that they had surgery to prevent any future pregnancy. 

Someone strange behavior of the descendants of the Franks to Prusim ??? They drove Pruse to the new Germany by deceit and deception that bi then they would crawl almost like a slave and cannon fodder in wars. From the beginning, the Prusk were forcibly removed the language, banned people's memory and traditions, and then simply oppressed.
But as the warriors of this 3 ethnic groups are almost identical with the fact that the Slavs and Franks were always Luzhichki of Serbia in their early history, and therefore they managed to stop the Prussians from attacking the Franks to the east somewhere on the western borders of Germany. The Serbs or Sorby paid it almost by extinction, and the Prussians paid it by turning into a zombie ethnic group, but they SAVED the rest of the Slavs to assimilation and destruction! Thanks to them, the Poles are now called Slavs. So if the Prussians do not wake up in the near future they will disappear in a place with Luzhichki Serbs.
Angela pursues a policy of Islamization by Germany and BV is populated by the people of the Turks there are millions, and the population of Araps is growing rapidly.


It is interesting here WHY STALIN DIRECTED GERMANY DESTINATION TO THE EAST AND WEST AND HOW HE DRAWED THE BORDER?


The old Fox was comrade Stalin, he knew a lot and did a lot for all Slavs starting from Prussians, but they turned out dumb, they did not understand Stalin and did not explain to themselves why Stalin painted the border like that!


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