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Utilities tariffs. Dream of a decline

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Everyone is tired of tariff chaos


The communal sphere is one of those topics that still hurt people for the living. Significant changes for the better in it, alas, were not noted after many years, during which we were constantly told that the prices for utilities should be brought closer to their real value. Not so long ago, it became clear that this is not the first year that each of us has seriously overpaid for a communal apartment.

A little later, and maybe even earlier, in the social bloc of the government, it was recognized that talking about citizens owing too much to authorities at all levels for utility services was nothing more than a myth. Public utilities managed to rob people for much larger amounts. Moreover, the permanent robbery of people still cannot be completely stopped either by local or even federal authorities. However, myth-making is an occupation capable of dragging out anyone besides weather forecasters and statisticians.

Igor Artemyev, who has been heading the Federal Antimonopoly Service for many years, is known to come from the Yabloko party. As well as a number of other well-known politicians, who today are mostly occupied with what they prove to everyone and everyone above at their loyalty. Like, we are no longer the opposition, or rather, not the opposition for a long time.

In principle, this proves only one thing: the authorities act very competently when they give opposition members work positions. And the corresponding powers.

Until now, the department headed by Artemyev has come under fire quite regularly on a variety of issues, from regular gas crises to problems with defrauded investors and equity holders. Like, they did not track, did not preempt. There were no serious complaints only on the "communal" topic. But it seems to be soon.

Utilities tariffs. Dream of a decline


Too beautiful Igor Artemyev reported to the head of government. In repeated reports to the president, he certainly did not allow himself that. Judge for yourself, the head of the FAS not only claims that housing and communal services tariffs in Russia have been stabilized, but also promised their future reduction.

The head of the Federal Antimonopoly Service, by all indications, believes himself that in the future, tariffs will not increase, but decrease. I would very much like to agree with Igor Artemyev and with federal officials who fully share his optimism that this will happen.

However, up-to-date information so far only makes it possible to know about the parameters of the next increase in utility prices. So, even on October 31, the media announced plans for yet another “annual” indexation of housing and communal services tariffs in the field, which is scheduled for the second half of the year 2020. Strange, but it doesn’t bother anyone that the parameters of this indexation significantly exceed the planned inflation rate of 4 percent, which around the same days was confidently promised to us at the Central Bank of the Russian Federation.



So, it is already known that most of all, and most likely, a communal apartment in the Chechen Republic should go up in price - by 6,5%. The increase in the Kabardino-Balkarian Republic will be 5,4%, in the Republic of Dagestan - 5,2%. In Moscow, the growth in utility bills will not exceed an average of 5%.

At the same time, the incomes of Russians, which are usually called real disposable (without taxes and mandatory payments) continue to fall. In the six years after the “peaceful 2013 year”, they have already decreased by 8,3%. And this is strikingly different from housing and communal services expenses, which have become larger somewhere at 7-9%, and somewhere at all 15 percent.

Back in 2014, the Russians spent no more than 8,9% of their expenses on paying for housing and communal services. By 2018, this figure rose to 9,6%, and in 2019, according to Rosstat, it already amounts to about 10% of Russian expenses. In real money, the monthly expenses of an average Russian family on a communal apartment amounted to 4,4 last year, thousands of rubles.



Recall that in 2019 the communal apartment managed to rise in price twice - in January - by 1,7% and in July - by 2,4%. This is the national average, which communal workers seem to look at as a hospital ward with its average temperature. But the levels of growth in payments in certain regions are still regulated by local governments, which becomes the reason for the extremely heterogeneous increase in prices for housing and communal services.

Uncontrollably and continuously


But let us return to what the FAS head told the head of the cabinet of ministers. According to Artemyev, stabilization of housing and communal services tariffs, that is, the end of communal lawlessness, happened because loopholes in the legislation of the 1990's were “eliminated”. It is these “damned” loopholes, ”according to Artemyev, that allowed regions and local governments to uncontrollably and continuously raise tariffs above limit values.

The head of the antimonopoly department is sure that "the bacchanalia of the 1990's and 2000's has been stopped." I would very much like to believe that we have already managed to work out new federal laws in the field of housing and communal services, which were adopted on behalf of Dmitry Medvedev. By the way, Igor Artemyev noted that his service had already identified the first major violations of the adopted laws.

The head of the Federal Antimonopoly Service counted “about 100 such cases after these legislative acts entered into force. We (anti-monopolists. - AP) stopped them, and millions of Russian citizens did not receive an increase in these tariffs this year just because new legislation was adopted. ” According to Artemyev, once established and approved tariffs due to inflation will decrease in 90% of cases.

Agree, the figure is very impressive, only from the realities of an individual payer for utilities is very far away. He would see a reduction in tariffs directly in the payment, and not in the reports of public utilities or the same antitrust service.

Apparently, the understanding of this made I. Artemyev admit that at present, in some cases, tariffs can still be raised. Although only with the permission of the government and the FAS. Is it any wonder that in parallel with unexpectedly positive forecasts, the head of the antimonopoly service decided to literally utterly criticize the state of affairs that has developed today in the system of paying utility bills in Russia.

Such "different tariffs"


In an interview with the Prime Minister, Igor Artemyev was, as they say, strict, fair, but very restrained. But on NTV, he was not really restraining himself.



“All this talk that we are kind of miserable and underpaying these communal monsters is all bullshit. We have been overpaying them for a long time. They contain various kinds of restaurants, rest houses for themselves, hunting lodges for this matter ”,

- Not without reason, the head of the antimonopoly service was indignant on the air.

After such words, it is unlikely for any of the Russians to be surprised by the recognition by the head of the antimonopoly department of the fact that most Russians overpay at least twice for the services of the Housing and Utilities Complex. From such an overestimation, it is now truly possible to go only in one direction - in the direction of decline.

But such a fact as the spread in water tariffs in neighboring villages as many as 54 times can really surprise anyone. And not by the scatter itself, but by the fact that citizens, even knowing about such “different tariffs,” actually pay quietly on them.

And cases when people are really outraged and block roads, in Russia in our country the exception to the rule is more likely than the rule. So maybe in vain?

Numerous polls show that citizens are more concerned not with high tariffs, but with the poor condition of apartment buildings, poor quality of housing and communal services, unjust amounts in payments and the fact that an ordinary person can sometimes not figure out the charges.

According to Igor Artemyev, it is high time to pass a law on the basics of tariff regulation. One for all - otherwise there will be no real change in the situation. It is not clear where, then, did Artemyev get the tariff optimism with which he reported to the prime minister.

After all, from the TV screen the head of the FAS did not hesitate to note that in many cases the relatives of “some governor or high-ranking official” are behind the inflated tariffs.
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  1. Jack O'Neill
    Jack O'Neill 11 November 2019 06: 05 New
    +24
    Nothing will change for the better, alas. In reality, we can’t do anything, as communal services robbed us and the state, they will rob us.
    Unfortunately, we are not able to do anything, we can only complain.
    Tomorrow the communal flat will be increased by ten times, we will complain a little bit, but we will pay, otherwise hello the street.
    Sadly that's all ...
    1. Mr Credo
      Mr Credo 11 November 2019 07: 39 New
      +8
      There is nothing to argue. Today, the total debts of 564,5 billion rubles. Question. Where does the debt come from if life is getting better?
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 11 November 2019 07: 59 New
        +11
        Utilities tariffs. Dream about reducing

        Nobody even dreams about it. As well as the fact that tariffs will simply remain at least at the same level.

        But just in the government it seems that only dreamers are sitting! The promises are fantastic, the results are deplorable.
        1. Tiksi-3
          Tiksi-3 11 November 2019 09: 02 New
          -3
          Quote: Stas157
          Nobody even dreams about it.

          any change in the tariff for the repair and maintenance of housing can only be at a general meeting, how to raise or lower, you need to vote 2/3 of the owners. But everyone is too lazy !!
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 11 November 2019 12: 27 New
            +2
            Quote: Tiksi-3
            need to vote 2/3 of the owners. But everyone is too lazy !!

            Have you ever tried to rock these two-thirds? I am. And even won the election. But the Criminal Code the next day arranged an additional vote, and drew up a new voting act. The "manual" elder housework signed everything. Complaints to the prosecutor’s office, to the regional ministry of housing and communal services and to the GLC did not give anything. And all because the head of the Criminal Code, the deputy is "self-nominated" from EP Alexander Stryapchev.
            They contain various kinds of restaurants, rest houses for themselves, hunting lodges for this matter ”,
            The head of another company of the Criminal Code, Vladislav Harutyunyan, built with money from the residents of the city and with the hands of the workers of the Criminal Code an Armenian church and Belagio hotel, and on VERY expensive land near the forest. Has the first deputy of the former head of the ARUVD of Togliatti, Alexander Chernoivanov, which provides her with 100% protection against various checks.
            1. Tiksi-3
              Tiksi-3 11 November 2019 13: 45 New
              -1
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Have you ever tried to rock these two-thirds? I am. And even won the election

              from April to this day, I have held three meetings and always pick up 2/3 ..... always ..... it's very hard - but it is necessary!
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 11 November 2019 12: 52 New
          +7
          Quote: Stas157
          But just in the government it seems that only dreamers are sitting!

          Yes, not dreamers, but ideologists and participants in communal robbery
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 11 November 2019 16: 17 New
            -1
            Yes, not dreamers, but ideologists and participants in communal robbery

      2. Svarog
        Svarog 11 November 2019 08: 43 New
        +10
        Quote: Mr Credo
        There is nothing to argue. Today, the total debts of 564,5 billion rubles. Question. Where does the debt come from if life is getting better?

        So it is being established among bureaucrats and the oligarchy, and the population’s standard of living has only been falling since 2014 ..
      3. Jack O'Neill
        Jack O'Neill 11 November 2019 09: 58 New
        +8
        There is nothing to argue. Today, the total debts of 564,5 billion rubles. Question. Where does the debt come from if life is getting better?

        The deputies are getting better. wink
    2. Civil
      Civil 11 November 2019 07: 51 New
      +5
      Well, what can I add, but here is what:
      1. Only grandmothers go to meetings of homeowners, the rest "men" proudly sit at home. And semi-literate old women decide.
      2. Yes, that meeting, on the same landing, people do not know each other. As if they live on remote farms, maybe it's peasant genes.
      3. Well and most importantly, the sucker is not a mammoth, the sucker will not die out.
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 11 November 2019 08: 37 New
        +16
        Quote: Civil
        3. Well and most importantly, the sucker is not a mammoth, the sucker will not die out.

        New Gaspads came up with the idea that the population is the same resource as oil. Only the population does not want to know about it.
      2. Tiksi-3
        Tiksi-3 11 November 2019 09: 19 New
        0
        Quote: Civil
        Some grandmothers go to meetings of homeowners, the rest "men" proudly sit at home. And semi-literate old women decide.

        you are wrong, because issues related to MKD are not decided by the old woman, but by the votes in the ballots, and according to their tariffs there should be 2/3 of all owners (only FOR)
    3. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 11 November 2019 08: 18 New
      +20
      Why is it sad? You can watch and listen to the central channels, where for the sixth year in a row they will sing a song, that among the Ukrainians, the housing and communal services in general are fabulously expensive and they will once again freeze!)))
      And the heart will become warmer ....
      1. depressant
        depressant 11 November 2019 09: 42 New
        +13
        Two payments come to me - one from the village municipal enterprise (water, heating, etc.), and the second - from the regional settlement center (major repairs, electricity, gas, etc.).
        I take a “local” payment, and in it the price of my life is 150 rubles more expensive than in July.
        Ah, I think, because the heating was turned on. No, nothing like that! I paid for heating in the summer - as much as now. And then I saw a graceful manipulation.
        Artemyev, attention, this is for you!
        The string "Water".
        In July, 7 cubic meters of water were the norm, and now it has become 6 cubic meters. I got stung! But they took 20 rubles less.
        Next.
        The coolant (cold water meter) was 5 cubes, it became 6, they took 20 rubles more.
        And these are all the differences. And pay for life, with other absolutely identical lines (meticulously checked along their entire length), you need 150 rubles more than in July. How so?
        (--20) + 20 = 0.
        But this is in mathematics. Housing and communal services have their own rules of adding other people's money into your pocket and multiplying personal income. But for me, mysterious.
        Then she looked at the “regional” payment system, and there everything was oak, condo and homespun. The guys didn’t fool themselves - not that intelligence! And no mystery. They simply and uncomplicatedly returned to their own experience of three years ago - to the one for which they were carried on the table in all television channels and in print media, and people went to court. Namely: re-inclusion in the new payment system of the payment for the last month as a debt. And even during the year - as it was with one dude. Hoarse that dude screaming on TV. I just silently paid.
        And now I’m re-included the payment for September as a debt in a new one for October, although September was paid on time - on the 5th (that is, as expected - until the 10th).
        Of course, I paid in a disciplined manner. Like hundreds of thousands of other people (imagine a one-time collected cache? From which then the lion part will disappear somewhere, the loss of which no one will investigate). Paid, having previously written on the tear-off form everything that I think about this organization.
        Mr. Artemyev, what do you think?
        Accounts Chamber! Please take care of the fraudulent activities of the regional organizations of the EIRC!
        Because I have neither money nor health to go to court and shout there hoarsely. Screaming over a table or chair made of famous wood is not possible.
      2. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 11 November 2019 11: 22 New
        +8
        You are certainly right. But personally, like most of my fellow citizens, I don’t give a damn about Ukraine and its problems. The temperature in the apartment fell - he called the representative for service and rudely slightly to him, forced him to draw up an act. Things got better ... Warm and comfortable. It is necessary in their field, they make the brains. Do not be shy. Call them day, night, on holidays and on weekdays. Be tedious and correct. But do not forget about the great power of the Russian mat. And the thing will move.
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 11 November 2019 11: 35 New
          +9
          A bit wrong. I was lucky that the former head of the Housing Office was sitting at work in the next office. He taught.
          Flowed balcony (I have the top floor). I went to the Housing Office, they kicked me, crawled over me and quietly sent me home. The acquaintance advised that you write a statement, you must register it with the secretariat, but the MAIN thing is that the statement should read “if there is no response, a copy will be handed over to the prosecutor’s office ...” I don’t know how anyone, I took the paper before work and didn’t managed to get there, when his wife called and joyfully reported that EVEN the chief engineer had come. A few days later, the flow on the balcony was eliminated by rebuilding the top with euroroofing material.
          1. Andrei Nikolaevich
            Andrei Nikolaevich 11 November 2019 11: 46 New
            +8
            This is professional advice. I will give you one more. When sending a letter to the prosecutor’s office at the place of residence, send a copy to a higher prosecutor’s office. Then you and the prosecutor will come running to repair the balcony.
    4. snake
      snake 11 November 2019 09: 53 New
      0
      Quote: Jack O'Neill
      Tomorrow the communal flat will be increased by ten times, we will complain a little bit, but we will pay,

      Yeah ... Like in a joke. We’ll also take a turn on Friday to get out early on Saturday.
      1. depressant
        depressant 11 November 2019 10: 23 New
        +6
        serpent, there is such a thing as a civilized society. Some people are engaged in the protection of state borders, others control that state, still others produce material assets, fourth collect taxes and so on. An ordinary citizen cannot do everything at once, responsibilities are distributed. Well, let each link worthily perform its work. And ordinary citizens can only send signals to the relevant control authorities if something is not in order.
        On this forum, we submit them.
        And we will pay the receipts. So as not to stand on the same level with the fiscal and regulatory authorities, which through their activities openly destroy the state in which we live and want to live on.
        But everything, of course, has a limit.
        And it will come - when the simple interests of most citizens to simple survival come together.
        1. snake
          snake 12 November 2019 09: 31 New
          0
          Quote: depressant
          there is such a thing as a civilized society

          And there is such a thing as neo-feudal ... In Chile, because of the increase in the cost of the metro ride by ~ 3 rubles, people came out and gave the authorities ... a light. And we took a 5-year pension and nothing. Groaned, lamented, worn out, spat on the palms of their hands and then pulled the barge with parasites. All these jokes about the introduction of serfdom ... Honestly, I won’t be surprised. There have already been so many Internet-related threats that, they say, people are about to withstand the bullying of the government and rise ... And so on from year to year. Against the backdrop of anti-people laws and the statements of the bureaucratic brotherhood. Here is the limit, here is the civilized society. I don’t know if there is a list of countries in terms of tolerance, but as if the Russian Federation were not in the top ten. As, for example - by the number of suicides.
    5. bandabas
      bandabas 11 November 2019 11: 31 New
      +1
      And increase ... It's a shame that once again they plunder their loved ones. And, to the consumer, once again it will be "voiced" - "Well, I couldn’t, I couldn’t ..."
    6. Proxima
      Proxima 11 November 2019 12: 09 New
      +6
      Quote: Jack O'Neill

      Unfortunately, we are not able to do anything, we can only complain.

      At first I complain, I lived in an apartment in St. Petersburg, a communal apartment, understandably predatory. It was especially touching to pay a thousand rubles for the concierge. Given the number of apartments (23-storey building), it seems that Housing and communal services officials opened Forbes magazine, found the physiognomy: “But this billionaire will work with us as a concierge”! And then just the opposite, they made their salaries so small, and the loads so big that the concierges changed every two weeks! I come to the board of the housing and communal services, they say, what are you doing !? The concierge's point is if he knows his tenants, but how will he remember them if the concierge’s turnover is half a month maximum !!! fool
      Quote: Jack O'Neill
      Tomorrow the communal flat will be increased by ten times, we will complain a little bit, but we will pay, otherwise hello the street.
      Sadly that's all ...

      There is a way out, do as I do. I sold an apartment in St. Petersburg and bought a house in Novorossiysk. Heating - boiler, sewerage - septic tank, water supply - well, everything is autonomous (except for electricity, of course)! And do not feed these creatures from the utilities! stop
  2. Far B
    Far B 11 November 2019 06: 23 New
    +4
    According to Artemyev, stabilization of housing and communal services tariffs, that is, the end of communal lawlessness, happened because loopholes in the legislation of the 1990s were “eliminated”.
    And is he aware of the existence of pricing committees? In the same place, all these tariffs are somehow justified and approved. Although, in principle, it is clear how.
    I remember that in the early XNUMXs, in Vladik, the "managers" began to publish newspapers. "Millionaire", some more. Purely entertaining. With sickly such circulations. I, it was business, fucked up - well, where are the "managers", and where is the publishing business? So, I thought, they lived well, if they could afford such a pleasure. It turns out that newspapers are a trifle if the main anti-monopolist himself declares that these cadres can afford
    They contain various kinds of restaurants, rest houses for themselves, hunting lodges for this matter.
    But here again the question is - where are you looking? Well these are your direct duties!
  3. svp67
    svp67 11 November 2019 06: 28 New
    +9
    So, it is already known that most of all, and most likely, a communal apartment in the Chechen Republic should go up in price - by 6,5%. The increase in the Kabardino-Balkarian Republic will be 5,4%, in the Republic of Dagestan - 5,2%. In Moscow, the growth in utility bills will not exceed an average of 5%.
    But who will explain WHY? Why are housing and utility tariffs increasing more than officially recognized inflation? Why is this done and where is the growth limit? Or is it simpler, "officially recognized inflation" is not true?
    1. Mr Credo
      Mr Credo 11 November 2019 07: 50 New
      +7
      Good question! Himself constantly asking him. If life is getting better, then the price increase stops. If life worsens, prices rise. Or is it not at all? Well, for example, for the elite. For them, revenue stabilization is inhibition. Price reduction is a decline. AND? For whom, then, statistics are made and analysis is carried out? Or do we live on different planets?
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 11 November 2019 08: 02 New
        0
        Quote: Mr Credo
        Or do we live on different planets?

        No. But still in different countries, "SHILO" wink
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 11 November 2019 12: 32 New
          -1
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          "SHILO"

          I’m watching Kitty, has your memory improved? Well then, maybe you can count your accounts, or does the mote in the prying eyes keep you awake? wink
          And Kostya ( wink ) Shiloh is already our compatriot. And for a long time. bully
          On the topic of the article, will you say something?
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 11 November 2019 14: 20 New
            0
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            On the topic of the article, will you say something?

            I do not eat silo, kitty request
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 11 November 2019 14: 33 New
              -1
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              I do not eat silo, kitty

              I am afraid to imagine your diet, especially considering your kitty throwing between cats and dogs. lol
              The next point - why then leave comments that are completely unrelated to the topic of the article? If you remember, this is called a flood, on which you so often scribble apples to administrators. Or doesn’t it smell? wink
              According to the article - do you personally like housing and communal services tariffs? Satisfied with the quality of services of the UK?
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 11 November 2019 14: 51 New
                -1
                Once again - why did you actually decide that you have the right to ask me any questions? wink

                Kitty, teach your spiders already (c). And do not go to adults, it will not bring you here request
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 11 November 2019 14: 57 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  but why did you actually decide that you have the right to ask me any questions?

                  We are in an open forum, pussycat. If you don’t like my questions (note - on the topic!) - I already told you about alternative sites for adults.
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 11 November 2019 15: 09 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    We are in an open forum, pussycat

                    This is something, kitty, and sometimes gets it. What are you - in an open forum, out of the blue, breed empty chatter yes
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 11 November 2019 15: 13 New
                      -4
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      breed empty chatter

                      What is this, kitty?
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      On the topic of the article, will you say something?

                      I do not eat silo, kitty request

                      Not a single comment has a word on the topic of the article. In common people, this is called an empty idle talk. wink
                      1. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 11 November 2019 15: 30 New
                        -2
                        Again - "quietly with myself"? wink

                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        What is this, kitty? ... that’s what is called an empty chatter

                        He asked himself - he answered himself. Ma-ok-tsa yes
    2. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 11 November 2019 08: 47 New
      +3
      Quote: svp67
      Why are housing and utility tariffs increasing more than officially recognized inflation?

      Who is she recognized? siluanov?
      Quote: svp67
      Why is this done and where is the growth limit?

      This is done for the purpose of profit. There are no limits to growth!
      Quote: svp67
      So, it is already known that most of all, and most likely, a communal apartment in the Chechen Republic should go up in price - by 6,5%. The increase in the Kabardino-Balkarian Republic will be 5,4%, in the Republic of Dagestan - 5,2%. In Moscow, the growth in utility bills will not exceed an average of 5%.
      But who will explain WHY? Why are housing and utility tariffs increasing more than officially recognized inflation? Why is this done and where is the growth limit? Or is it simpler, "officially recognized inflation" is not true?

      Of course not, understated by 2 times.
    3. Tiksi-3
      Tiksi-3 11 November 2019 09: 22 New
      -5
      Quote: svp67
      But who will explain WHY?

      for which - hardly anyone will answer, but HOW ... in 2005-2010 the rationale for the tariff was - a suitcase of money, this is in N Novgorod .... I think it was like that everywhere
  4. Doliva63
    Doliva63 11 November 2019 06: 36 New
    +7
    There was an impression that neither Artemyev nor the author himself fully understood the issue. But it’s important, yeah. wassat
  5. Gardamir
    Gardamir 11 November 2019 06: 37 New
    +6
    The author is either deeply mistaken, or the hire of the State Department. In any case, many comments shout from time to time that the “Russians” have begun to live better. And whoever disagrees is the enemy. It would be better if the author wrote how Russia helps the peoples of Africa.
    1. Loess
      Loess 11 November 2019 07: 56 New
      -2
      Quote: Gardamir
      It would be better if the author wrote how Russia helps the peoples of Africa.

      What is wrong with Africa? Or are you talking about the cancellation of "bad" debts from the time of the Union? So, I remember, not so long ago one of the republics (within the Russian Federation, by the way) wrote off debts for gas, so the outrage was much stronger than after the cancellation of African debts. By the way, you were also outraged.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 11 November 2019 13: 46 New
        -4
        "irrevocable"
        So you put the irrevocable word in brackets yourself, that is, there would always be a desire to return. But gentlemen still want to invest in Africa, so to speak to invest.
        1. Loess
          Loess 11 November 2019 14: 20 New
          +4
          Quote: Gardamir
          So you put the word irrevocable in brackets

          I always admired people who were able to pay attention only to the part of the question that was “convenient” for them and completely ignored any clarifications that were “not convenient” for answers ... hi
    2. Mr Credo
      Mr Credo 11 November 2019 07: 59 New
      +2
      A lot has already been written about improving life. We began to buy foreign cars. This is the first marker of a better life! They began to buy housing in the property. This is the second marker. True, in the first and second case, it is more likely not about buying, but about renting. A loan is not a property yet! In your beloved America, you can come there with money and immediately rent an expensive car. But in Russian it means to rent. And what do we have on the exhaust? And on the exhaust, the famous phrase of Papanov. You are Lelik the starving man!
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 11 November 2019 12: 55 New
        +6
        Quote: Mr Credo
        . We began to buy foreign cars. This is the first marker of a better life! They began to buy housing in the property. This is the second marker.

        only this possibility is available in 30% of the population. About the remaining 70%?
  6. parusnik
    parusnik 11 November 2019 06: 57 New
    +14
    Is it really so? I don’t believe it! ... Rosstat claims that we live better and better day by day .. and I affirm that we are all looking at the future with confidence! And whoever does not look is the agent of the State Department .. smile
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 11 November 2019 08: 51 New
      +4
      Quote: parusnik
      Rosstat claims that every day we live better and better ..

      Soyuzmultfilm also draws something, only when Pinocchio pokes his nose on the canvas, it suddenly turns out that there is nothing behind the canvas.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 11 November 2019 09: 23 New
        +2
        Quote: Stroporez
        when Pinocchio pokes his nose on the canvas, it suddenly turns out that behind the canvas there is nothing.

        Have you definitely read this tale to the end? laughing


        Only when a veil of false attitudes flies from our eyes will new opportunities open up before us.
        1. DEDPIHTO
          DEDPIHTO 11 November 2019 09: 59 New
          +8
          So the fairy tale is not finished, the continuation must be- ,, a mysterious door led into the shining rooms of the magnificent Rotenberg palace ... ,,. wassat In the capital, the performance of Chipollino has not been allowed on the stage, they are afraid of repression, and you are all talking about some new opportunities ... winked
          As for housing and communal services tariffs, I got rid of them a long time ago, only I pay for the light.
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 11 November 2019 10: 15 New
            0
            Quote: DEPHIHTO
            As for housing and communal services tariffs, I got rid of them a long time ago, only I pay for the light.

            Share your experience. yes
            1. DEDPIHTO
              DEDPIHTO 11 November 2019 10: 25 New
              +4
              So the way is radical, not everyone will like to live in the countryside. hi
          2. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 11 November 2019 11: 25 New
            -7
            Housing and communal services Rotenbergs are not engaged in, from the word "completely" And instead of envy, you would do well to tear off the ephedron from the sofa and do something. You look and your cottage would be built, at the same time and stopped whining.
            1. depressant
              depressant 11 November 2019 12: 51 New
              +3
              Ivanov and Rottenberg are also involved in transferring money from Sberbank to the budget of the Russian Federation, leaving a large share in their pocket through the organization RTITS, or whatever it is. Such a sweet collection.
            2. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 11 November 2019 18: 02 New
              0
              Quote: AU Ivanov.
              Housing and communal services Rotenbergs are not involved, from the word "completely"

              Firstly, I did not say anything about vrotenbergs here. But since we were talking about these pumps, they steal everything, always and everywhere. Now we’ve got to children's textbooks
              Quote: AU Ivanov.
              And you, instead of envy, would not hurt to tear the afedron from the sofa and do something. You look and your cottage would be built, at the same time and stopped whining.

              And why did you get the idea that I should envy thieves? Besides, I still have cars and apartments that I earned with my own hump, but not thanks to the state, but in spite of it.
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 11 November 2019 12: 56 New
          +3
          Quote: Boris55
          new opportunities will open before us.

          happy future again? Do not tell my slippers.
    2. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 11 November 2019 11: 10 New
      +11
      Quote: parusnik
      Is it really so? I don’t believe it! ... Rosstat claims that we live better and better day by day .. and I affirm that we are all looking at the future with confidence! And whoever does not look is the agent of the State Department .. smile

      If you are talking about a decrease, then they will rob more intensively. recourse
    3. Proxima
      Proxima 11 November 2019 12: 41 New
      +3
      Quote: parusnik
      Rosstat claims that every day we live better and better ..
      even Rosstat is not able to hide the terrifying statistics: Rosstat reported that the country has increased the number of poor - by half a million people. Now, only according to official data, almost 21 million beggars live in Russia. And this is only for the year from 18 to 19, there was still a no less large-scale annual decline in living standards from 2014 to 2018.
  7. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 11 November 2019 06: 57 New
    -5
    Housing and communal services is a business and people there also want to earn normal money .... and at the same time repair and buy new equipment. The Russian capitalist state and housing and communal services are also credited to banks and have shareholders. And the state does not want to do this.
    1. Mr Credo
      Mr Credo 11 November 2019 08: 08 New
      +9
      Housing and communal services is a service sector! And what about the services said Medvedev? You have to pay for them! And what has changed in services since the days of the USSR? Was the water cold and hot? It was! Was there sewage? It was! Was there gas? Was! There was no electricity? It was! There were no elevators? Do not believe it! Were! What was added? Why such a share of the salary?
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 11 November 2019 08: 27 New
        +2
        Since then, housing and non-residential have grown .... and many new communications and facilities have been built. The main problem is monopolists (in the form of semi-state AOs) in the form of electric networks and gas ....... which simply pump loot from around.
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 11 November 2019 10: 52 New
      +5
      Quote: Zaurbek
      Housing and communal services is a business and people there also want to earn normal money .... and at the same time repair and buy new equipment.

      And for this we are obliged to pay them the purchase of Toyota, which is included in the housing and communal services receipt?
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 11 November 2019 11: 54 New
        -2
        They buy them under the law .... for the rest will punish the owners and the tax .... Vote for others ..
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 11 November 2019 11: 59 New
          +1
          Quote: Zaurbek
          They buy them under the law .... for the rest will punish the owners and the tax .... Vote for others ..

          What is included in such high tariffs for the services of regional operators? You will be surprised, but it is not only the removal and disposal of garbage. The purchase of KamAZ trucks and containers, computers, furniture and safes, the repair of purchased KamAZ trucks, which, in theory, should be under warranty, as well as the training of personnel - drivers and operators were laid there. From this it turns out that the operators entered our region, what is called, empty-handed? Then how did they manage to win the competition and conclude an agreement with the Ministry of Natural Resources and Ecology of the Tula Region?

          But that is not all. So, the residents of Uzlovaya are outraged by the fact that the regional operator "MSC-NT" included in the tariff for garbage collection the costs of purchasing cars - fourteen Renault Duster and two Toyota Camry.

          You might think we choose them.
          Quote: Zaurbek
          Vote for others.
    3. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 11 November 2019 12: 40 New
      -1
      Quote: Zaurbek
      and at the same time repair and buy new equipment

      But this is practically not done at all. Workers are paid a penny, materials are bought the cheapest, but at the price of expensive. In each payment system s / n plumbing is laid down, at the rate of 210 apartments for one plumbing. In reality, one person pulls 800-1000 apartments. With the cleaners as well. Naturally there will be dirt in the porches and a swamp in the basements. hi
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 11 November 2019 22: 59 New
        -2
        And for this there is a board of HOAs. Which controls the quality of services. And, if necessary, concludes direct contracts with suppliers of these services.
        HOA Functions:

        conclude agreements for the supply of utilities;
        hire employees to maintain cleanliness inside the house and in the adjacent area;
        supervise overhaul and current repairs;
        hold meetings of homeowners by putting relevant issues on the agenda;
        keep records of funds spent.
        Ground of decision: Art. 149.2 LCD RF
        The chairman is not moving? With his rags, choose a new one? Does anyone need this? How are you going to change the system, if you can’t cope with a negligent pre-TSJ?
  8. fif21
    fif21 11 November 2019 07: 02 New
    +7
    Housing and utilities is cost-effective when collecting payments in 50%. The increase in tariffs enables utilities to work without optimizing costs. Money really "flies into the pipe."
  9. rocket757
    rocket757 11 November 2019 07: 04 New
    +7
    Quote: Jack O'Neill
    Nothing will change for the better, alas. In reality, we can’t do anything, as communal services robbed us and the state, they will rob us.

    The most obvious .... protection from chaos COMPACES - SYSTEMS, a person does not count. An attempt to sue something from them, the path is long, thorny, with a very unpredictable result.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 11 November 2019 08: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: rocket757
      An attempt to sue something from them, the path is long, thorny, with a very unpredictable result.

      If you sue in bulk and do not pay, then the result will be.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 11 November 2019 09: 20 New
        +5
        Massively or collectively?
        In principle, people win the courts if they attend to a good lawyer and intend to go all the way, BUT ... as always, but from the elementary that many court decisions are not implemented, other tricks disappear into the fog, which not everyone can overcome has the opportunity.
        There is no experience, skill, desire, and much more, without which no system of social and other protection will work.
        Bottom line - water does not flow under a lying stone! If PEOPLE, the public does not make an effort to change the situation, it will be so!
        And again I repeat ... only TOGETHER we can change something!
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 11 November 2019 09: 35 New
          +2
          Quote: rocket757
          Massively or collectively?

          Totally! The housing system is a grand scam.
          According to the order of Siluanov No. 259n on the distribution of the federal budget for 2019 - 2021 (previously PP 97), all expenses for housing and communal services, including major repairs, are included in the federal budget. That is: every square meter of housing throughout the country is paid. The demand for rent is a second charge and extortion !!! The order does not indicate preferential / separate categories of citizens, categories of premises (apartment or private house), season (heating season) income level or other “special” circumstances.
          Quote: rocket757
          The community will not make efforts to change the situation, it will be so!
          And again I repeat ... only TOGETHER we can change something!

          Do you remember a joke about a plumber?
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 11 November 2019 09: 39 New
            +6
            Quote: Stroporez
            Do you remember a joke about a plumber?

            Which one? Too many Temko so ... wet, slippery.
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 11 November 2019 10: 20 New
              +4
              Quote: rocket757
              Which one? Too many Temko so ... wet, slippery.

              When the plumber said, it’s not the crane that needs to be changed, but the whole “system”.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 11 November 2019 10: 24 New
                +7
                Quote: Stroporez
                When the plumber said, it’s not the crane that needs to be changed, but the whole “system”.

                Wise words, however. However, for some time now in plumbers it was possible to meet a little man with an education above the central vocational school.
        2. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 11 November 2019 12: 51 New
          -1
          Quote: rocket757
          disappear into the "fog" and other tricks,

          Criminal Code No. 1 in Tolyatti changed the name of the legal entity of the contractor company 5 times, and in fact everyone remained in their posts.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 11 November 2019 13: 48 New
            +4
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Criminal Code No. 1 in Tolyatti changed the name of the legal entity of the contractor company 5 times, and in fact everyone remained in their posts.

            Miracles of yours and not only towns!
            The question is, who will catch these hooks and return / compensate money to people?
            There at least zits chairmen and accountants caught at least once ???
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 11 November 2019 13: 50 New
              -2
              Quote: rocket757
              There at least zits chairmen and accountants caught at least once ???

              Nope. request
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 11 November 2019 14: 09 New
                +2
                We’ve got a couple, they’re doing particularly impudent things ... but what’s going to turn out, nobody understands.
      2. Boris55
        Boris55 11 November 2019 09: 36 New
        +6
        Quote: Stroporez
        If you sue in bulk and do not pay, then the result will be.

        They provided for this. Without notifying the payer, by decision of the court, debts in favor of the management company will be automatically removed from his account (from the card).
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 11 November 2019 09: 45 New
          +7
          Quote: Boris55
          They provided for this.

          We ourselves have chosen / not chosen, those that now provide for everything!
          They themselves put them on a hump, and it hung its legs, and then ..... I do not want to repeat myself, everyone knows everything, they understand, and things are still there.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 11 November 2019 09: 48 New
            +4
            Quote: rocket757
            We ourselves have chosen / not chosen,

            Is it possible to accuse children in kindergarten of a bad teacher? Of course not. Just as children do not have sufficient knowledge to decide on the choice of caregiver, so we do not have sufficient knowledge in management.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 11 November 2019 09: 55 New
              +3
              Quote: Boris55
              Is it possible to accuse children in kindergarten of a bad teacher

              No, not at all children, knowledge is not enough, so it was necessary to study, it is never too late.
    2. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 11 November 2019 09: 26 New
      0
      The most difficult thing on this path is to raise people: for everyone is up to the mark. And so - one can and should sue - gives not bad results.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 11 November 2019 09: 35 New
        +5
        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        The most difficult thing on this path is to raise people: for everyone is up to the mark. And so - one can and should sue - gives not bad results.

        They win, it’s true ... with the return of funds, compensation everything is much worse ... the defendants run around, they don’t want to pay.
        GETTING TOGETHER and fighting ... these are difficult. Why so, I can’t explain.
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 11 November 2019 09: 38 New
          +2
          Swam - we know. To sue, and return the funds is not so difficult as to stir up the tenants. It seems that the question concerns his own wallet, but no - everyone does not care.
        2. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 11 November 2019 10: 43 New
          +3
          Quote: rocket757
          GETTING TOGETHER and fighting ... these are difficult. Why so, I can’t explain.

          This is the main problem. I sued alone with two companies.
          After filing their lawsuits, I first canceled the orders, then I turned to the prosecutor’s office to check the activities and the validity of tariffs. In the first case, the entire leadership now lives in Cyprus, in the second, it turned out that the Criminal Code wrote off 1 million 200 thousand a year for landscaping the local area, the UD instituted and now they’re not up to me.
      2. Boris55
        Boris55 11 November 2019 09: 45 New
        +6
        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        for all to a shit.

        Not therefore. The vast majority of people do not have management knowledge, and those who possess this knowledge do not have confidence.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 11 November 2019 09: 48 New
          +9
          Quote: Boris55
          The vast majority of people do not have knowledge of

          By the way, those in power, those who hold it, NEVER worry about what citizens would get this knowledge ... they will do just the opposite. This is a natural self-preservation reaction!
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 11 November 2019 09: 55 New
            +4
            Quote: rocket757
            This is a natural self-preservation reaction!

            This gives them the right to charge themselves exorbitantly high prices for their work, but this does not lead them to self-preservation. Separated from the people, sooner or later they themselves will degenerate. There are plenty of examples of how their offspring behave, and the offspring of their offspring degrade even more. Getting knowledge abroad, they are not able to understand why the knowledge they gained there does not work here, so their disregard for us is growing and this is mutual.

            No one will give us deliverance
            Neither the king, nor God, nor the hero ...
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 11 November 2019 09: 59 New
              +7
              Quote: Boris55
              Separated from the people, sooner or later they themselves will degenerate.

              Do you think that the guys at the top are so very wise ...... ALL have their own illusions, backed up in different ways. The people have a long patience, the upper ones with immense conceit and arrogance.
        2. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 11 November 2019 10: 07 New
          0
          No, instead of resolving issues related directly to the size of the rent at a general meeting, people prefer to sit at home on the couch. We have a good chairman of the HOA association, a lawyer by training, and have achieved a lot of things both in terms of improvement and in curbing the Wishlist of the Criminal Code. He achieved despite the inertia of most residents.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 11 November 2019 11: 07 New
            +3
            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            We have a good chairman of the HOA

            It happens for everyone. The average person is most often critical, if not decadent, in all matters even important to him ... it’s hard to say what it is, it simply dominates.
  10. Van 16
    Van 16 11 November 2019 07: 26 New
    +3
    Blah blah blah, the main antitrust monopolist actually admitted that not a damn thing was working, that the housing and communal services that he wanted and was doing, so what? Will anything change? As they raised it and will continue to raise it, one talking room is upstairs. The robbery system works to its fullest.
  11. itarnmag
    itarnmag 11 November 2019 08: 09 New
    +1
    1. Dreams, dreams, where is your sweetness? 2. Dreams of an idiot
  12. nikvic46
    nikvic46 11 November 2019 08: 52 New
    +3
    "Maybe we live on different planets." We live in one country. Those who are older pay attention carefully to services. And those who are ready to strangle a penny, just save on this. Everyone gradually becomes cynics. And I, including. I often think of the idea that our moral values ​​are nothing more than a beautiful candy wrapper, and the sweetie is completely useless. Soon they will launch trains on the Crimean bridge. I thought that the builders of the bridge would be the first to go, those who put out the fires, struggled with floods. But another topic sounds. "I'm an artist, And you are plebeians." “Listen, let's do a parody of“ Tattoo. ”Fool. Are you? Swung at the holy thing.” This is a joke. But if a simple person puts an mosquito bite on an elephant, he will learn so much about himself ...
  13. The popuas
    The popuas 11 November 2019 09: 33 New
    +4
    We have that the government is that the ministries only state .... so many died ... there are not enough doctors so much ... tariffs are like that !!! But there are no solutions to these issues and they don’t do it .... Question ... AND WHY US DOES SUCH THE GOVERNMENT AND THE MINISTRIES DO NOT DO ANYTHING ??? I can also say ...
  14. Maks1995
    Maks1995 11 November 2019 09: 46 New
    +2
    Money doesn't smell. These are the rules of the game.
    And all sorts of moans and promises - this is for the common people.
    Upstairs, this is clearly understood.
  15. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 11 November 2019 10: 22 New
    +3
    One bearded “wizard” organized the elections very well, that even the tsar’s father was taken aback by the results, the second “wizard” reduces tariffs. Russia is a big country, a magical country, let's just say so. There is no limit to magic.
  16. Mihail55
    Mihail55 11 November 2019 11: 57 New
    +4
    The most important issue should be resolved. I judge the USSR (social state), now they are also talking about it - care MUST be about people !!! And in the USSR we paid for odnushka-THREE rubles !!! With a salary of the two of us working - approx. 300. Even a pensioner receiving a small pension of 60 rubles. could not bother with this waste.
    And now - sometimes odnushki pay (in winter) - up to 5 thousand .. And how to retire less than 10 thousand to live a lonely pensioner? I’m not talking about workers, their belts are tightened ... stretched.
    Why was the most important issue such as raising the retirement age taken calmly without any referenda or special discussions? And then ... In addition to stealing money from pensioners in the 90s (savings in the Savings Bank) - a gradual wringing of apartments from insolvent .... is this not genocide ???
    1. Ronald Reagan
      Ronald Reagan 11 November 2019 12: 48 New
      -7
      People just reap the benefits. What prevented a good study in a social state and work in a good position, so that in the future there would be a good pension? No need to nod in the direction of the capitalists, bourgeois, oligarchs and reptilians. The culprit of their problems can be seen in the mirror.
  17. Vikxnumx
    Vikxnumx 11 November 2019 12: 15 New
    +3
    Does anyone remember that the hot water in the pipe has become 10 degrees cooler? (70 degrees maximum, not 80 ...)?
    And the tariff for heating water has not been reduced! Heated the wallets of consumers.
    Yes, and they consider gigacallories for heating water from 0 (zero) degrees. Here is such a physics!
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 11 November 2019 13: 04 New
      -1
      Quote: VIK1711
      (70 degrees maximum, not 80 ...)?

      Something I do not remember the standard according to which the GVS should have been 80 gr. Minimum 60, maximum a little over 70 gr.
    2. g1washntwn
      g1washntwn 13 November 2019 11: 26 New
      0
      See SNiP N II – 34–76 and SanPiN 2.1.4.2496-09. For an open system (domestic hot water and heating - “one pipe”) - at least 60, for a closed domestic hot water system - at least 50 degrees. in any case, for a centralized not higher than 75 degrees. Plus a 5 degree plug for diurnal fluctuations. If it’s colder and the riser doesn’t “run through” even after 5 minutes, call the Criminal Code and verbally record an appeal to them about the discrepancy in the quality of the service provided (it is better to record the conversation). They are obliged to arrive within 2 hours (Resolution 354) to check the appeal and draw up the Act on paper which will be the basis for your subsequent appeal about the need to recalculate the service (if the hot water supply is below 40 degrees, the volume of your hot water consumption is calculated according to the cold storage tariff). Recalculation must be done within 5 business days, or within a month to provide a reasoned refusal.
      However, this method is suitable only for those who are sitting at home with no problems and are ready to finish their Criminal Code with appeals every day, and when the Criminal Code begins to ignore you - the courts. For the vast majority of working, consider the tools to defend their consumer position NO.
  18. ASASHOKA
    ASASHOKA 11 November 2019 13: 06 New
    +2
    While management companies (UK) in the regions of the country will play the role of feeding local authorities - nothing will change and this is an indisputable fact. We are continuing chaos and no changes are foreseen for the better. The legislation describes the necessary actions to change the Criminal Code seem to be beautiful, but in fact, everything is decided without legislation. All government agencies involved in the control of the Criminal Code, the legalization of the Criminal Code and the support of the Criminal Code were bought (lobby) by local princes.
    FAS with law enforcement agencies, if they look where, it’s clearly not in the direction that is needed, but in the direction they were indicated. To change (according to the law) a stealing, presumptuous, illegally (through fraud with fraud of documents) “managing” MKD management company with its gaskets and satellites is not allowed for years, a local court (just a specific judge) is bought (lobby), housing inspections are bought (lobby) , in the local administrations there are the same lobbyists who unfasten the relevant ranks, ... I will not disclose the schemes, everyone has probably already studied their actions by heart, except for those who have the responsibility to help the law be enforceable. And replacing the names of the Criminal Code and “whitening” the Criminal Code without changing it is already the norm!
    Today LLC Horns and Hooves, and tomorrow LLC Hoofs and Horns. Everything - a clean UK continues to milk the residents of MKD, and again, collect meetings, hold rallies, collect documents, file a lawsuit, well, etc. etc. And people's money is already on the Virgin Islands, in offshore. Not life - raspberries!
    The people, having seen enough of such lawlessness, are abandoning paying for utilities in general. Hence the huge debts to resource providers. Then the resource men also filed lawsuits in the Criminal Code, which they do not transfer money to, and non-payers, and it went and went. Collectors are connected ... Courts littered with suits - "oil painting".
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 11 November 2019 15: 19 New
      +1
      Quote: ASASHOKA
      Today LLC Horns and Hooves, and tomorrow LLC Hoofs and Horns. Everything - a clean UK continues to milk the residents of MKD,

      Me in 2002 Olviko Invest lost the lawsuit. While the bailiffs were swinging, the company changed its name to Olviko Optima, the founders are the same. And that's it, I have my 50000 p. forgiven for the impossibility of recovery. request
  19. Campanella
    Campanella 11 November 2019 13: 22 New
    +1
    The mythical creature Artemyev as well as his department. He stays constantly in somnabul and wakes up at the click of the one who needs to. Actually, the Russian economy is worth it, because it is controlled by super monopolists, and this smooth, bearded, ageless misunderstanding helps them. This is my subjective opinion, formed exclusively and periodic report-reports of Artemyev. Since a person has steered antitrust for so many years, like Shmakov, it means that he fully and completely satisfies its requirements.
  20. Revival
    Revival 11 November 2019 14: 42 New
    +1
    In addition to tariffs and so on ..
    For example, in the Astrakhan region, a shaft of nit-picking went straight to gas meters:
    When checking photographs of seals on the phone! And they say here you have one seal that is not "readable", the whole reason is not clear, the counter is "faulty". From this day until you bring documents about its replacement you have a tariff of 27 rubles. meter area of ​​the house per day !!! You can of course call the inspectors, but right away we tell you they will come in 2, 3 weeks. So buy a better counter (only 3500 rub.) With us and yes with you another 1500 rub. for installation, and another 800r. for what we will come back to check.
    Check and checkmate, especially for the elderly!
    Itself came, he invented the problem himself from the finger, he put in conditions without a choice and you stand smiling ..
    I’ll come home on vacation to take care of this scheme, I will see what regulatory documents it is supported by, all the same, all day long in courts and prosecutors, etc.
    I will report on the result comrades.
  21. for
    for 11 November 2019 22: 49 New
    +1
    So, it is already known that most of all, and most likely, a communal apartment in the Chechen Republic should go up in price - by 6,5%

    Samara servants of the people (deputies) ask for 6,8%.
  22. g1washntwn
    g1washntwn 13 November 2019 11: 04 New
    0
    Are we gonna do it? Following MSW, they remove from the list of utilities services to domestic hot water heating (or create a market by analogy with the electric power industry and a separate price tag for statistics) and voila, utilities have declined! And the fact that the population will start on the line TOTAL to pay ahead of inflation can and be silent on pathos at the top.
  23. sv-georgij
    sv-georgij 14 November 2019 09: 08 New
    0
    Again at the expense of communal workers. Let's figure it out, but not everything, for the sake of example I bring our city .. In the heat tariffs, as an example, the cost of energy is included. This is gas, electricity, water as a coolant. So, in comparison, gas tariffs have increased since 2009 by 180% for electricity by 210% (and here, as current tariffs are not regulated by anyone), but heat tariffs increased by 130% in As a result, if in 2009 the share of energy carriers in the heat tariff was 57%, now it is 70%. And you still have to pay a salary to employees that does not exceed the minimum wage, make repairs, and the price of materials is not regulated by anyone determines the market, but strangely prices only rise, not decrease. And this is not taken into account in the heat tariff. It comes to senility, the salary must be paid at least the minimum wage, and in the tariff lay 8000 rubles where to get the rest is not clear. Rates in a communal apartment depend on many factors.