Stoltenberg responded to Macron’s statement on NATO: Such words can split Europe itself

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg commented on the changes that will affect the financial component of the military bloc after Britain withdrew from the European Union. According to Stoltenberg, the EU’s share in NATO’s budget will be reduced to a minimum over the past few years.

Secretary General of the Western Military Alliance:

After Brexit, about 80 percent of NATO defense spending will come from countries outside the European Union. At the same time, from countries belonging to the European Union, Germany will retain the status of command of one of the combat groups in the east of the alliance.

The core budget of NATO will be provided by non-EU countries. These are the USA, Norway, Canada, Turkey and Britain - after Brexit.

Stoltenberg:

That is, non-EU countries reserve all security obligations in Europe. We will continue to fully ensure the safety of almost a billion of our citizens - regardless of the UK’s status with regard to the EU.

This statement by the NATO Secretary General was a response to the words of Emmanuel Macron that the alliance had "brain death."

Stoltenberg:

Some think of disagreements between NATO allies. For many, there really are disagreements on a number of issues: Syria, Iran, trade, energy, climate change issues. But we had serious disagreements before. For example, the Suez crisis in the 1956 year or the war in Iraq in the 2003 year. But we ultimately consolidated our efforts around our main goal - mutual protection.

According to Stoltenberg, "any attempt by individuals to alienate Europe from America will only weaken the North Atlantic Alliance."
Stoltenberg, commenting on Macron’s words about “the death of NATO’s brain” and “about the loss of US interest in the European allies”:

Moreover, such words and attempts can split Europe itself.

Comments

[Nycomed]

It smelled like a split ...

[Lelek]

Quote: Nycomed

It smelled like a split ..

Yes, the EU is already split. Some "Europeans" are kept from fleeing to apartments by the common currency adopted at one time, market ties and the fear of running into a "fine" (entry - euro, exit - three), so they see how the "Englishwoman" will do it. As far as NATO is concerned, all the members of the alliance in their minds understand that it is unnecessary and that it is possible to save a lot of money for internal needs if they refuse the services of this "rattle". And Russia practically does not have to do anything in this situation, but only to communicate more actively with individual "Europeans" and conclude bilateral agreements beneficial to us. Something like that.

[Lord of the Sith]

Stoltenberg responded to Macron’s statement on NATO: Such words can split Europe itself

Sounds like an overt threat.

[Cut Samshitov]

Who feeds the girl, he dances her, in short.

[Dude]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

Stoltenberg responded to Macron’s statement on NATO: Such words can split Europe itself

Sounds like an overt threat.

More than transparent, hinted
We are waiting for the intensification of the protests of the "yellow vests" in the land of three lilies

[Lord of the Sith]

And so France shakes with their yellow Maidan. The question is not resolved.

[Dude]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

And so France shakes with their yellow Maidan. The question is not resolved.

In general, I like the observed correlation between the activation of various brawlers in France, be they blacks, vests, or trade unions, and the need to "pull up" the proud Fifth Republic

[Chaldon48]

And what actually can he threaten France with?

[horus88]

Macron will not die by his death, protection, I suppose, unlike de Gaulle, will be blamed on the yellow jelly, al migrant

[nks]

His guard is more serious than de Gaulle's. He, by the way, sadly joked about this, that he was ashamed of the fact that the French are not shooting well there

[voyaka uh]

The EU and NATO are not the same thing.
France may be the center of the EU, but withdraw from NATO. Anyway, there’s not much sense from France to NATO. They useful shot in Iraq from howitzers during the siege of Mosul, but they can be invited to joint operations in coalitions and outside of NATO. Like Australia, for example.

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

. Anyway, there’s not much sense from France to NATO.

As well as France, there’s no sense from .. that, only one extra cost.

[nks]

This is also not entirely true - France often uses the NATO infrastructure, etc.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: nks

This is also not entirely true - France often uses the NATO infrastructure, etc.

Therefore, France quite reasonably asks the question: is it not time to get your own European army, without the presence of an American gluttonous contingent, for the presence of which you still have to pay a little?

[nks]

Yes, this is not a new issue - it is one of the aspects of the EU integration processes, Macron just took up it with renewed vigor. For me, this is inevitable in any case - the only question is time, and Trump just speeds up this process.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: nks

Yes, this is not a new issue - it is one of the aspects of the EU integration processes, Macron just took up it with renewed vigor. For me, this is inevitable in any case - the only question is time, and Trump just speeds up this process.

Something like this. It is interesting that Macron is the main balamut in the European swamp, that is, in terms of the need for its own army, and in terms of expressing doubts about the presence of a brain in NATO, despite the fact that they trumped each other with dandruff. I'm starting to worry about his life and health

[nks]

And who else? This is all in the outline of traditional French politics. It’s just that someone is profaning her, and someone is young and daring :) As for Trump with his dandruff, this is a matter exclusively of his culture. His native press in such a spirit offended on the eve of Macron’s visit to the United States and he decided to recoup in such a teenage manner.

Quote: Nyrobsky

I'm starting to worry about his life and health

Oh, come on.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Nyrobsky

I'm starting to worry about his life and health

Quote: nks

Oh, come on.

And I’ll probably give it up. And without Macron, there’s something to worry about

[nks]

exactly. Moreover, Monday is on the nose. : :

[voyaka uh]

"... isn't it time to acquire your own European army, without the presence of an American voracious contingent" ////
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The American army is large and combat-ready, equipped with modern technology, air
and maritime support, means of transfer and landing.
European - no.
In the French army, for example, there are only two combat-ready divisions / brigades:
Foreign Legion and Airborne.
The English army is a dozen special forces and strike battalions.
----
About gluttony: Americans pay for their food at European bases.
And they pay well. When Obama withdrew most of the American parts from Germany,
locals staged demonstrations outside their city halls: "Don't let the Americans leave - we
left without work! "

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: voyaka uh

The American army is large and combat-ready, equipped with modern technology, air
and maritime support, means of transfer and landing.
European - no.
In the French army, for example, there are only two combat-ready divisions / brigades:
Foreign Legion and Airborne.
The English army is a dozen special forces and strike battalions.

I do not argue. But the fact is that Europeans, expressing the idea of ​​creating their own army, do not intend to limit themselves to available forces, but mean creating a full-fledged army that meets modern challenges, with a gradual reduction in the presence of the American contingent in Europe. After all, it is not a secret for anyone that Russia is not going to attack Europe, and pumping hysteria against the backdrop of the Russian threat serves only one purpose - to increase the budgetary spending of the EU countries on military adventures of the NATO bloc and the purchase of weapons.

Quote: voyaka uh

About gluttony: Americans pay for their food at European bases.

This is strange. Just the other day, the United States called on South Korea to increase the cost of maintaining the American base. Another issue is that American soldiers do not sit locked up in bases and when they leave "on leave" spend some sums on goods and services in local shops, cafes and hairdressers, which is undoubtedly beneficial to local business. But I don’t think that due to their departure, the local business will lose as much as the EU lost from Russian counter-sanctions, and this, sorry, is an amount exceeding 100 billion euros with the loss of tens of thousands of jobs. Today, if objectively, the USA is a much more terrible enemy for Europe than Russia, and the US policy towards the EU leads to its imbalance.

[voyaka uh]

"After all, it is no secret to anyone that Russia is not going to attack Europe" ////
----
On the main Europe - solid no.
But Eastern Europe has weak border countries,
which historically in the past
were part of the Russian Empire and the Soviet Empire.
These are the Baltic republics. And after 2014 their independence turned out to be
under probable threat. The success of the annexation of Crimea gave rise to euphoria
in Russia. It has become fashionable to talk about "collecting Russian lands" and the like.
This scared the Europeans.
(in Israel, similar euphoria and similar sentiments arose after the victory
The Six Day War of 1967).
The result was the creation of three NATO bases in the Baltic with three battalions.
And the tension and mistrust between Russia and NATO have risen sharply.
Now Russia has calmed down, and NATO too. I think when they agree on
settlement of the conflict in the Donbass, tension will drop.
Finally, they will begin to lift sanctions and resume normal trade.

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

The paddlers do not use anything at all, they cannot even plan their own operation, but this organization, they are not allowed to do.

[Voyager]

In this regard, yes, the formal presence or absence of France in NATO will have little effect on this structure. But here the precedent is important. It will go away with a scandal alone and it will become something beyond the ordinary and this can trigger a chain reaction of global changes.

[Cheerock]

Quote: voyaka uh

The EU and NATO are not the same thing.
France may be the center of the EU, but withdraw from NATO. Anyway, there’s not much sense from France to NATO. They useful shot in Iraq from howitzers during the siege of Mosul, but they can be invited to joint operations in coalitions and outside of NATO. Like Australia, for example.

There is no sense, maybe, but there is financing.

[voyaka uh]

Parallel processes are going on: the European NATO countries (except Poland) are weakening, but Russia is also weakening (economy and demography). Slightly "splash" for Russia - "splash" for NATO.
The Americans are turning their military attention to China, leaving a minimum in Europe.

[Dude]

Parallel processes are going on: the European NATO countries (except Poland) are weakening, but Russia is also weakening (economy and demography). Russia has a slight "surge" - NATO's "surge".

Absolutely true!

The Americans are turning their military attention to China, leaving a minimum in Europe.

And here - haha ​​three times! Are you serious? Or are we talking about different Europe? As far as I remember, the USA is planning increase their military contingent in Europe, moreover, in recent years they have been building it up, actively promoting the military infrastructure to the borders of Russia.

[voyaka uh]

Even with this increase, the number of American troops in Europe is negligible.
They are going to keep a tank brigade constantly in western Poland. And a little troops in Germany to service bases, airfields
and warehouses. And that’s all.
The Europeans (on a rotational basis) maintain one reinforced battalion in the three Baltic states and one in eastern Poland. Four "almost regiments".
That’s all NATO on the borders of Russia. 4 × 1000 + 4000 (American brigade combat team). 8000 ground troops.
But, of course, Poland separately has a large combat-ready army. Do not forget about her.

[Dude]

Even with this increase, the number of American troops in Europe is negligible.
They are going to keep a tank brigade constantly in western Poland. And a little troops in Germany to service bases, airfields
and warehouses. And that’s all.

Do you know the Russian proverb "Chicken pecks by the grain"? And one more: "Dashing trouble is the beginning"?
Also, if I understand correctly, infrastructureerected in Eastern Europe, allows, if desired, in a short time to deploy a more serious group, both in number and in composition.
You have already spoken about Poland, and it is absolutely correct, here I fully agree with you. True, I'm not very Copenhagen, what kind of composition of the Armed Forces of the Polish Republic, and how effective they are. As for the morale of the Poles, I really liked the recent statements in their press, in the spirit of "if the Americans want to fight for the Kaliningrad region, then let them fight themselves."

[voyaka uh]

"if desired, in a short time to deploy a more serious grouping, both in number and composition." ////
----
In a short time from the USA to Europe, many troops can not be transported. Something can be transported by air, but mainly by sea to Germany, Holland, and then by highway and railway. To concentrate a group capable of offensive actions is three to four months (and this is an optimistic forecast).

[Dude]

In a short time from the USA to Europe, many troops can not be transported. Something can be transported by air, but mainly by sea to Germany, Holland, and then by highway and railway.

I agree, in part. True, the question, why then build such a redundant infrastructure, still remains. Means of reinforcement and "cavalry" cannot be dragged across the ocean by air, even with a huge American military aviation. But, nevertheless, I think that the term you named is the maximum, not pessimistic.
But for this, in the first echelon, the Poles are needed (as you noted ) The question is whether they are eager to carry chestnuts out of the fire.
On the other hand, the 8000 American contingent you mentioned is quite enough to solve local problems, such as occupying key points in a hypothetical Baltic or Ukrainian theater.

[Corn]

NATO has a huge transport fleet, which within 1-2 months is quite able to transfer equipment scattered around the world to the right place. And transport aircraft will deliver people with avant-garde even faster.

[Incvizitor]

leaving a minimum in Europe.

There, American lackeys are in power, their spies are everywhere, independent people there are immediately "removed" do they need a large number of occupying forces in these countries? It might be necessary, find the population there, the strength to fight for their freedom, but they are submissive like sheep.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: voyaka uh

Parallel processes are going on: the European NATO countries (except Poland) are weakening, but Russia is also weakening (economy and demography). Slightly "splash" for Russia - "splash" for NATO.
The Americans are turning their military attention to China, leaving a minimum in Europe.

The fact that the UK is getting on skis and leaving the EU is in itself an unhealthy sign that the EU's problems are not just beginning, but that they already exist and will only get worse in the foreseeable future. For the United States, the EU is primarily an economic competitor, and only secondarily a partner, who, if necessary, can be sacrificed in order to stay afloat. If the Americans are able to implement the scenario of a military clash between the EU and Russia, then by doing so they will be able to eliminate two competitors and earn a lot of money from this. Macron's statement suggests that France is not very eager to get involved in a military adventure that is being hatched by NATO's "think tank". As for Stoltenberg, this is the same unprincipled person as Gorbachev, who, in the event of a cut, will wash off abroad and observe how Europe is being smoked and rant about "What led to the collapse of the European Union." Humpbacked here the other day said that he had dug up those to blame for the collapse of the Union, and it was not him, but the Emergency Committee.

[Oyo Sarkazmi]

Quote: Nyrobsky

If the Americans can implement the scenario of a military clash between the EU and Russia, then they will be able to eliminate two competitors

It is now impossible to make a mess in Europe without destroying the financial system of the world, including the internal United States. What is the United States without credit cards, Dow Jones and Wall Street? 400 million beggars.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Oyo Sarkazmi

Quote: Nyrobsky

If the Americans can implement the scenario of a military clash between the EU and Russia, then they will be able to eliminate two competitors

It is now impossible to make a mess in Europe without destroying the financial system of the world, including the internal USA.

US will kill the euro zone.

[nks]

Quote: voyaka uh

. Anyway, there’s a little sense from France to NATO

With such pathos, you seem to be writing directly from NATO headquarters, although in reality you are new to even open data.

Quote: voyaka uh

They useful shot in Iraq from howitzers during the siege of Mosul

In fact, the second number of sorties after the United States in Iraq and Syria against the IS (by the way, in Libya at the time it was the first one), well, plus the ground part

Quote: voyaka uh

they can be invited to joint operations in coalitions and outside of NATO

Who can?)) Here membership in general does not really matter. The absence of France in the military bloc in the 90s did not prevent her from participating in the NATO operation in the former Yugoslavia, and the presence of the Germans did not prevent them from giving up the war in Iraq in 2003 (in fact, this was not formally a NATO operation), and even now France continues to have its own command in NATO operations and not state.

[voyaka uh]

"at the same time, even now France continues to have its own command and not a state one in NATO all operations" ///
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That is the problem. In serious military operations, dual power is unacceptable.
(Imagine that in the Warsaw Pact operation, someone declares: "we do not obey the Soviet command, we will command ourselves" )
Therefore, without France, NATO is calmer than with her.

[nks]

Quote: voyaka uh

That is the problem. In serious military operations, dual power is unacceptable.

You just don’t understand what you’re talking about - there is a joint command allies and direct reporting at the operational level. ATS like NATO did not codify the hierarchy of subordination (in contrast, for example, from the US agreement with Kazakhstan). I won’t argue about the concepts now, but it’s obvious enough that the armed forces of some countries, due to their small size, cannot have operational freedom and initiative. At the same time, the NATO charter does not define any obligations to participate in certain US operations (read above about the participation of Germany and France in operations in Yugoslavia and Iraq (2003). At the operational level, of course, if the OK agreed, then the hierarchy is respected. Usually, the United States commands, but, for example, in the spring attack on the objects of chemical weapons in Syria, the operational command was carried out by the French.

Quote: voyaka uh

Therefore, without France, NATO is calmer than with her

It’s calmer without Turkey (in every sense unreliable guys). By the way, about 4 years ago I was discussing with your fellow citizen about this - it was clear to me even then, but now it just became obvious

[Oyo Sarkazmi]

Nevertheless, Turkey contributes more money to NATO more than France and Germany, since it is in 4th place.

[nks]

In 4th place, where? And do not confuse budgets (my comment on this subject below)

[voyaka uh]

And it’s calmer without Turkey, here I agree with you.
Disagreements with France are shallow, at the level of "ego" (who obeys whom),
with Turkey Erdogan - deeper, already at the level of difference in ideologies.

[Lelek]

Quote: voyaka uh

Anyway, there’s not much sense from France to NATO.

Well, that’s how to say it. France is the only EU power in the arsenal of which is AO, and this is not a small argument. Germany also has warehouses with atomic ammunition, but the United States owns and disposes of them (by the way, the Germans more than once suggested that the United States remove these weapons, but the vassal is a vassal and at his request overlords ** al).

[demo]

Sometimes a bad event happens.
The body is still alive, and the brain no longer controls the environment.
They say about such a person - a vegetable.
The same thing could happen with NATO.
The brain is separate, and the body is separate.
It seems to be alive, but there is no sense.
Only euthanasia helps.
True, those who "serve" the brain, and these are thousands of parasites, may lose their status and salaries.
Here Stoltenberg became thoughtful.
And let's scribble on Twitter.
Macron’s accusations of elder abuse and love for animals from the east are not far off.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: demo

Sometimes a bad event happens.
The body is still alive, and the brain no longer controls the environment.

Fear gives rise to horror and it seems
This horror travels around the world.
The brain is separate, the rest is also
It seems to be alive, but there is no sense.

The head is in place, the hands are intact
Internal organs are in order.
Only the mind suddenly left the body
And it immediately requires discharge.

Stoltenberg scribbles on Twitter.
How to help trouble and he does not know.
We sit and laugh merrily -
"The caravan goes, the dog barks" ...

[Oyo Sarkazmi]

What if the dog is mad? And walking past is like death.

[210ox]

Even worse, if out of nowhere appears a black maid accused of sexual violence.

[Armata T-14]

The owners of Trump and EdRa, through the organization of the Yellow Vest protests, recruited Macron from the Western Satanists clan to the Eastern Satanists clan

[voyaka uh]

You, as I understand it, from the most powerful clan of White Shirts? Which is temporarily held captive by the satanic clan of the White and Green Robes?
Freedom will come - right after 2021

[Armata T-14]

___________ Not)

[Keyser soze]

Stoltenberg is simply an agent of influence of the American military-industrial complex in Europe and nothing more. French-German projects can become more serious and sellable not only in Europe but also in the world. And the Europeans will only increase arms purchases and renew their armies in the coming years. This is about business, not war.

[Thrifty]

If it were not for Trump’s demand to increase the military-industrial complex to 2 percent, then NATO would not have paid attention to the British exit from the European Union.

[nks]

This is not Trump’s demand (and it’s not about the military-industrial complex) - it’s an obligation on the size of military budgets that NATO countries themselves made before Trump (in the 2000s)
But NATO, and so does not pay much attention. In general, it is not necessary to confuse the NATO budget (administrative - it also exists) and the military budgets of NATO countries. By the way, it is the specific (relative to GDP) size of administrative contributions (it is not about billions, but millions) that the US and the WB in NATO are smaller than the French and German. Well, the United States, okay --- they are in absolute numbers anyway paying more, but the WB is openly hacking

[knn54]

The French cannot forgive Syria for the Yankees. In northern Syria, they had 8 bases where they trained the Kurds. After the go-ahead to the Trump Turks, they urgently evacuated. In general, the Yankees threw both the Turks and the French with Kurds and oil

[nks]

There were no 8 base bases. What could be called bases is from the strength of 2-3, the rest (10 pieces) are just points of presence. And they did not evacuate, but essno there some changes were made after that. It is not the United States as such, but Trump’s deviant policy, which for his administration and generals is a problem

[Thrifty]

Not the British, but the Turks can now be an unpleasant surprise for NATO. Given the refusal of the United States to sell f35, the Turks can easily throw in revenge on NATO by reformatting their share of the budget of the block completely for their internal goals, thereby throwing both the United States and the entire NATO block. ..

[Gennady Fomkin]

NATO's core budget: USA, Norway, Canada, Turkey, and Britain after Brexit. Who pays and orders music.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Keyser Soze

Stoltenberg is simply an agent of influence of the American military-industrial complex in Europe and nothing more. French-German projects can become more serious and sellable not only in Europe but also in the world. And the Europeans will only increase arms purchases and renew their armies in the coming years. This is about business, not war.

Correctly Guns in place of oil

[cniza]

Moreover, such words and attempts can split Europe itself.

She is already cracking at all seams.

[askort154]

Stoltenberg responded to Macron’s statement on NATO: Such words can split Europe itself

After visiting the 75 Years of VICTORY parade in Moscow, expect new statements from Macron about NATU.

[Gennady Fomkin]

US reformat relations with allies. From the position of a sponsor to the position of pragmatic financial proportionality. Simply put, the Yankees are tired of paying for everyone .
And when there is a threat to fork out, then friends suddenly cease to be friends, they rebel indignantly and look for words for retaliatory charges.
A similar can be observed in relation to Russia - Belarus .... As long as Moscow is ready to drag bulbo-expenses Moscow is a friend! But as soon as Moscow relieves the load, it is immediately poured with mud and blackmailed.

[Gennady Fomkin]

NATO bases are not alliance bases, they are US bases, including in Europe. US military bases were needed to advance interests. It is impossible to further advance interests, the globe has ended, and there are no longer those with whom the United States shared the loot in the colonies. Itself is not enough.

[Rome]

In fact, if NATO is dissolved, the world will become better! The United States will not disappear, therefore, democracy in the world will be protected!
And Europe will decide independently how to protect itself, with whom to conflict, and with whom to be friends.
The dependence of mankind on American elections will decline sharply!

[Ross xnumx]

Statements by European politicians about NATO's insolvency are not without common sense. With the destruction of the Warsaw Pact, and most importantly, with the "hasty flight" from the CMEA of the countries of the former socialist camp, with the "voluntary consent" of the USSR to withdraw troops from Germany and the destruction of the Berlin Wall, the very threat of an attack from the USSR seemed crazy. But, the main ideologists of the confrontation between Europe and Russia (the Anglo-Saxons) could not allow so simply to give up the development of a competitive economy. At first they organized a “bloody massacre” in Europe itself, and then, creating military conflicts, they sponsored waves of refugees in prosperous Europe and the participation of the European countries themselves in the destruction of ties with neighboring countries ... And suddenly, oh, a miracle! There was an insight in the minds. Many began to wonder: “What next?”
Europe is completely unprepared to fight the enemy whom the states are so stubbornly pushing. She does not want to confront the eternal debates of the Slavs and pay a high price for this.
Brexit brave GB showed that at any moment can get out of absolutely any union, and then ... All the hardships and hardships will be placed on the shoulders of Germany and France?
Or someone had the opinion that the “warriors of the world” and the Pentagon bosses would personally lead a mass invasion for or against ... Again, what?
Russia has not budged, despite the apparent approach to its borders of this militant bloc. It lays gas pipelines, providing Europe with cheap gas. She is very interested in purchasing not only advanced industrial equipment, but also in joint energy projects ... Joint military maneuvers near the EU’s borders do not go beyond international agreements and cause some “bear sickness” ... Moreover, from the Russian Minister of Defense invitations are received to take part in army games and competitions in shooting from tanks and “air darts” ...
But there is a restless Stoltenberg, who repeats like an “ass” that tomorrow, the deadline is the day after tomorrow, Russia must certainly attack ... Remember the tale “The Brave Hare”? Maybe Macron (no offense comparison) is tired of being afraid? Perhaps it began to reach the rest of Europe that no one was going to conquer, poison or shoot it in the air?
What? Statement made. Major economies must weigh everything and make a choice:
whether to drag this NATO clamp further or to rely on God's will and destiny. Reality shows that there are many places on our planet, but because some have ceased to adequately assess realities and have lost the right to their own opinion, life in these places does not get any better.
And from these thoughts not only Macron or Merkel’s head can split, but also something more ...

[Dude]

It seems to me that all these statements of Macron, are aimed at bringing out again, on the agenda, the question of creating a single European army. To whom this is beneficial is another question, but, IMHO, the creation of such an association is definitely not in Russia's interests. What ends the consolidation of European armies under one flag and control - we know very well from history.

[Aliken]

This disgruntled general is afraid of being left without work, now he will start to scare everyone with a vengeance of Russia, and end up being the only one with a gun at the ready to move the war to the Kremlin.

[Pavel57]

Will Macron's "roof" have enough strength?

[Ros 56]

Come on, crack, why crack there, the nut is even stronger, but it’s easy to crumble like a rotten one.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Stoltenber only for shareware represents at least some authority. For the rest, a typical, wedding general, On bezrybe and Stoltenberg is a shark.

[demo]

The creation of a unified army in Europe will face the most important difficulty - leadership.
The Poles with their wet dreams (from Mezha to Mezha) will not want to go under the Germans.
And the French are not smiling.
And the Germans, as the main financial and industrial locomotive of Europe, will not want to be under anyone.
I’m silent about the rest.
What kind of army will this be?
And then there are the proud Balts and Bulgarians with Romanians!
We only learned to kiss American blacks in the form of the US Army, and then bam and that's it!
Kiss the German.
Though! Do not get used to it.
So they will bury Macron's dream.

[Fantazer911]

After Brexit, about 80 percent of NATO defense spending will come from countries outside the European Union. At the same time, from countries belonging to the European Union, Germany will retain the status of command of one of the combat groups in the east of the alliance.

Yes, after these allegations, Poland will begin to hysteria, so the Poles wanted to be the main wife, Oops did not ride

[forester1971]

In February 1966, de Gaulle expelled NATO from France, Macron decided to repeat de Gaulle's act?
Interestingly, is the procedure for leaving NATO legally prescribed?

[Gennady Fomkin]

As Carl Gustav Jung said, "Europe is a small peninsula on the vast Asian mainland."

[Gennady Fomkin]

If NATO is a dragon, then he got drunk. The left head in a fluff quarreled with the right, and the middle one, so as not to hurt, the head climbed into the ass.

[Pavel skaletski]

Apparently France again wants to leave them of this block.

[Avior]

France never left NATO, only from some of its structures
https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/ru/politique-etrangere/securite-desarmement-et-non-proliferation/la-france-et-l-otan/

[Klingon]

Quote: voyaka uh

"... isn't it time to acquire your own European army, without the presence of an American voracious contingent" ////
------
The American army is large and combat-ready, equipped with modern technology, air
and maritime support, means of transfer and landing.
European - no.
In the French army, for example, there are only two combat-ready divisions / brigades:
Foreign Legion and Airborne.
The English army is a dozen special forces and strike battalions.
----
About gluttony: Americans pay for their food at European bases.
And they pay well. When Obama withdrew most of the American parts from Germany,
locals staged demonstrations outside their city halls: "Don't let the Americans leave - we
left without work! "

that's just about Germany do not need to invent what is not. No one here asked them to stay. What side will the Germans be unemployed because of this ?? what nonsense are you talking about? the Germans would have also kicked with pleasure striped in pursuit, but there is no determination. Nobody has welcomed these bases for a long time, especially those where B61 are stored, since they understand that these are targets for the Iskanders
read at least the original material before writing something about which the concept is distant. Do you know the echo deceptively, especially in the mountains))
https://apps.derstandard.de/privacywall/story/2000083241540/fast-jeder-zweite-deutsche-laut-umfrage-fuer-abzug-der-us

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Quote: Klingon

read at least original material before writing something about which there is a distant concept

He has no time to read - he writes comments

[tolmachiev51]

- "The main NATO budget will be provided by countries outside the EU. These are the USA, Norway, Canada, Turkey and Britain" - we have whom we protect !!! The French are beginning to understand.