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Stoltenberg responded to Macron’s statement on NATO: Such words can split Europe itself

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NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg commented on the changes that will affect the financial component of the military bloc after Britain withdrew from the European Union. According to Stoltenberg, the EU’s share in NATO’s budget will be reduced to a minimum over the past few years.




Secretary General of the Western Military Alliance:

After Brexit, about 80 percent of NATO defense spending will come from countries outside the European Union. At the same time, from countries belonging to the European Union, Germany will retain the status of command of one of the combat groups in the east of the alliance.

The core budget of NATO will be provided by non-EU countries. These are the USA, Norway, Canada, Turkey and Britain - after Brexit.

Stoltenberg:

That is, non-EU countries reserve all security obligations in Europe. We will continue to fully ensure the safety of almost a billion of our citizens - regardless of the UK’s status with regard to the EU.

This statement by the NATO Secretary General was a response to the words of Emmanuel Macron that the alliance had "brain death."

Stoltenberg:

Some think of disagreements between NATO allies. For many, there really are disagreements on a number of issues: Syria, Iran, trade, energy, climate change issues. But we had serious disagreements before. For example, the Suez crisis in the 1956 year or the war in Iraq in the 2003 year. But we ultimately consolidated our efforts around our main goal - mutual protection.

According to Stoltenberg, "any attempt by individuals to alienate Europe from America will only weaken the North Atlantic Alliance."
Stoltenberg, commenting on Macron’s words about “the death of NATO’s brain” and “about the loss of US interest in the European allies”:

Moreover, such words and attempts can split Europe itself.
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  1. Nycomed
    Nycomed 10 November 2019 13: 49 New
    0
    It smelled like a split ... tongue
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 10 November 2019 23: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: Nycomed
      It smelled like a split ..

      hi
      Yes, the EU is already split. Separate "Europe" is kept from fleeing apartments by the common currency adopted at one time, market relations and the fear of running into a "fine" (entrance is euro, exit is three), and they are watching how this will turn out for the Englishwoman. As regards NATO, all members of the alliance in their minds understand its uselessness and the ability to save not a small amount of money for domestic needs when refusing the services of this “rattle”. And Russia practically does not need to do anything in this situation, but only to communicate more actively with individual "Europeans" and conclude bilateral agreements that are beneficial to us. Something like that.
  2. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 10 November 2019 13: 52 New
    +5
    Stoltenberg responded to Macron’s statement on NATO: Such words can split Europe itself


    Sounds like an overt threat.
    1. Cut Samshitov
      Cut Samshitov 10 November 2019 13: 55 New
      0
      Who feeds the girl, he dances her, in short.
    2. Dude
      Dude 10 November 2019 15: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      Stoltenberg responded to Macron’s statement on NATO: Such words can split Europe itself


      Sounds like an overt threat.

      More than transparent, hinted yes
      We look forward to intensifying the protests of the "yellow vests" in the country of three lilies repeat
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 10 November 2019 16: 24 New
        0
        And so France shakes with their yellow Maidan. The question is not resolved.
        1. Dude
          Dude 10 November 2019 16: 45 New
          0
          Quote: Lord of the Sith
          And so France shakes with their yellow Maidan. The question is not resolved.

          In general, I like the observed correlation, between the activation of various brawlers in France, whether it be blacks, vests, or trade unions, and the need to "pull" the proud Fifth Republic bully
    3. Chaldon48
      Chaldon48 10 November 2019 16: 08 New
      0
      And what actually can he threaten France with?
  3. horus88
    horus88 10 November 2019 13: 57 New
    +1
    Macron will not die by his death, protection, I suppose, unlike de Gaulle, will be blamed on the yellow jelly, al migrant
    1. nks
      nks 10 November 2019 18: 17 New
      0
      His guard is more serious than de Gaulle's. He, by the way, sadly joked about this, that he was ashamed of the fact that the French are not shooting well there
  4. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 10 November 2019 14: 03 New
    +2
    The EU and NATO are not the same thing.
    France may be the center of the EU, but withdraw from NATO. Anyway, there’s not much sense from France to NATO. They useful shot in Iraq from howitzers during the siege of Mosul, but they can be invited to joint operations in coalitions and outside of NATO. Like Australia, for example.
    1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
      SERGEY SERGEEVICS 10 November 2019 14: 07 New
      0
      . Anyway, there’s not much sense from France to NATO.
      As well as France, there’s no sense from .. that, only one extra cost.
      1. nks
        nks 10 November 2019 18: 02 New
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        This is also not entirely true - France often uses the NATO infrastructure, etc.
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 10 November 2019 20: 20 New
          +3
          Quote: nks
          This is also not entirely true - France often uses the NATO infrastructure, etc.

          Therefore, France quite reasonably asks the question: is it not time to get your own European army, without the presence of an American gluttonous contingent, for the presence of which you still have to pay a little?
          1. nks
            nks 10 November 2019 20: 40 New
            +1
            Yes, this is not a new issue - it is one of the aspects of the EU integration processes, Macron just took up it with renewed vigor. For me, this is inevitable in any case - the only question is time, and Trump just speeds up this process.
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 10 November 2019 20: 44 New
              +2
              Quote: nks
              Yes, this is not a new issue - it is one of the aspects of the EU integration processes, Macron just took up it with renewed vigor. For me, this is inevitable in any case - the only question is time, and Trump just speeds up this process.
              Something like this. It is interesting that Macron is the main balamut in the European swamp, that is, in terms of the need for its own army, and in terms of expressing doubts about the presence of a brain in NATO, despite the fact that they trumped each other with dandruff. I'm starting to worry about his life and health recourse
              1. nks
                nks 10 November 2019 21: 27 New
                +1
                And who else? This is all in the outline of traditional French politics. It’s just that someone is profaning her, and someone is young and daring :) As for Trump with his dandruff, this is a matter exclusively of his culture. His native press in such a spirit offended on the eve of Macron’s visit to the United States and he decided to recoup in such a teenage manner.




                Quote: Nyrobsky
                I'm starting to worry about his life and health

                Oh, come on.
                1. Nyrobsky
                  Nyrobsky 11 November 2019 00: 36 New
                  0
                  Quote: Nyrobsky
                  I'm starting to worry about his life and health

                  Quote: nks
                  Oh, come on.
                  And I’ll probably give it up. And without Macron, there’s something to worry about yes
                  1. nks
                    nks 11 November 2019 00: 45 New
                    +1
                    exactly. Moreover, Monday is on the nose. : laughing :
          2. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 10 November 2019 23: 59 New
            +1
            "... but is it not time to get your own European army, without the presence of an American gluttonous contingent" ////
            ------
            The American army is large and combat-ready, equipped with modern technology, air
            and maritime support, means of transfer and landing.
            European - no.
            In the French army, for example, there are only two combat-ready divisions / brigades:
            Foreign Legion and Airborne.
            The English army is a dozen special forces and strike battalions.
            ----
            About gluttony: Americans pay for their food at European bases.
            And they pay well. When Obama withdrew most of the American parts from Germany,
            locals staged demonstrations at their city halls: "Do not let the Americans leave - we
            left without work! "
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 11 November 2019 00: 34 New
              0
              Quote: voyaka uh
              The American army is large and combat-ready, equipped with modern technology, air
              and maritime support, means of transfer and landing.
              European - no.
              In the French army, for example, there are only two combat-ready divisions / brigades:
              Foreign Legion and Airborne.
              The English army is a dozen special forces and strike battalions.

              I do not argue. But the fact is that Europeans, expressing the idea of ​​creating their own army, do not intend to limit themselves to available forces, but mean creating a full-fledged army that meets modern challenges, with a gradual reduction in the presence of the American contingent in Europe. After all, it is not a secret for anyone that Russia is not going to attack Europe, and pumping hysteria against the backdrop of the Russian threat serves only one purpose - to increase the budgetary spending of the EU countries on military adventures of the NATO bloc and the purchase of weapons.
              Quote: voyaka uh
              About gluttony: Americans pay for their food at European bases.
              This is strange. Just the other day, the United States called on South Korea to increase the cost of maintaining the American base. Another question is that American warriors do not sit locked up in bases and go “on dismissal" spending some amounts on goods and services in local shops, cafes and hairdressers, which is undoubtedly beneficial for local businesses. But I don’t think that in connection with their departure, local business will lose as much as the EU has lost from Russian counter-sanctions, and this, sorry, an amount exceeding 100 billion euros with the loss of tens of thousands of jobs. Today, if objectively, the USA is a much more terrible enemy for Europe than Russia, and the US policy pursued with regard to the EU leads to its imbalance. hi
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 11 November 2019 01: 33 New
                0
                "After all, it is no secret that Russia is not going to attack Europe" ////
                ----
                On the main Europe - solid no.
                But Eastern Europe has weak "border" countries,
                which historically in the past
                were part of the Russian Empire and the Soviet Empire.
                These are the Baltic republics. And after 2014 their independence turned out to be
                under probable threat. The success of the annexation of Crimea gave rise to euphoria
                in Russia. It has become fashionable to talk about "collecting Russian lands" and the like.
                This scared the Europeans.
                (in Israel, similar euphoria and similar sentiments arose after the victory
                The Six Day War of 1967).
                The result was the creation of three NATO bases in the Baltic with three battalions.
                And the tension and mistrust between Russia and NATO have risen sharply.
                Now Russia has calmed down, and NATO too. I think when they agree on
                settlement of the conflict in the Donbass, tension will drop.
                Finally, they will begin to lift sanctions and resume normal trade.
        2. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
          SERGEY SERGEEVICS 11 November 2019 11: 22 New
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          The paddlers do not use anything at all, they cannot even plan their own operation, but this organization, they are not allowed to do.
    2. Voyager
      Voyager 10 November 2019 14: 23 New
      +3
      In this regard, yes, the formal presence or absence of France in NATO will have little effect on this structure. But here the precedent is important. It will go away with a scandal alone and it will become something beyond the ordinary and this can trigger a chain reaction of global changes.
    3. Cheerock
      Cheerock 10 November 2019 14: 31 New
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      The EU and NATO are not the same thing.
      France may be the center of the EU, but withdraw from NATO. Anyway, there’s not much sense from France to NATO. They useful shot in Iraq from howitzers during the siege of Mosul, but they can be invited to joint operations in coalitions and outside of NATO. Like Australia, for example.

      There is no sense, maybe, but there is financing.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 10 November 2019 15: 18 New
        +1
        Parallel processes are underway: European countries of NATO (except Poland) are weakening, but Russia (economics and demography) is also weakening. A little "surge" in Russia - a "surge" in NATO.
        The Americans are turning their military attention to China, leaving a minimum in Europe.
        1. Dude
          Dude 10 November 2019 15: 29 New
          +1
          Parallel processes are underway: the European countries of NATO (except Poland) are weakening, but Russia (economics and demography) is also weakening. A little "surge" in Russia is a "surge" in NATO.
          Absolutely true!

          The Americans are turning their military attention to China, leaving a minimum in Europe.
          And here - haha ​​three times! Are you serious? Or are we talking about different Europe? As far as I remember, the USA is planning increase their military contingent in Europe, moreover, in recent years they have been building it up, actively promoting the military infrastructure to the borders of Russia.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 10 November 2019 15: 42 New
            +1
            Even with this increase, the number of American troops in Europe is negligible.
            They are going to keep a tank brigade constantly in western Poland. And a little troops in Germany to service bases, airfields
            and warehouses. And that’s all.
            Europeans (based on rotations) hold one reinforced battalion in three Baltic countries and one in eastern Poland. Four "almost a regiment".
            That’s all NATO on the borders of Russia. 4 × 1000 + 4000 (American brigade combat team). 8000 ground troops.
            But, of course, Poland separately has a large combat-ready army. Do not forget about her.
            1. Dude
              Dude 10 November 2019 16: 07 New
              +2
              Even with this increase, the number of American troops in Europe is negligible.
              They are going to keep a tank brigade constantly in western Poland. And a little troops in Germany to service bases, airfields
              and warehouses. And that’s all.
              Do you know the Russian proverb "A little pecking chicken"? And one more: "Dashing trouble is the beginning"? wink
              Also, if I understand correctly, infrastructureerected in Eastern Europe, allows, if desired, in a short time to deploy a more serious group, both in number and in composition.
              You already spoke about Poland, and absolutely correctly, here I fully agree with you. True, I am not very Copenhagen, what is the composition of the Armed Forces of the Polish Republic, and how combat-ready they are. As for the morale of the Poles, I really liked the recent statements in their press, in the spirit of "if the Americans want to fight for the Kaliningrad region, then let them fight." winked
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 10 November 2019 16: 19 New
                +1
                "if desired, in a short time to deploy a more serious group, both in number and in composition." ////
                ----
                In a short time from the USA to Europe, many troops can not be transported. Something can be transported by air, but mainly by sea to Germany, Holland, and then by highway and railway. To concentrate a group capable of offensive actions is three to four months (and this is an optimistic forecast).
                1. Dude
                  Dude 10 November 2019 17: 02 New
                  +1
                  In a short time from the USA to Europe, many troops can not be transported. Something can be transported by air, but mainly by sea to Germany, Holland, and then by highway and railway.
                  I agree, in part. True, the question is, why then build such a redundant infrastructure, all the same, it remains. Means of amplification and "cavalry" by air, through the ocean you can’t run across, even with the huge American BTA. But, nevertheless, I think that the term you named is the maximum, and not pessimistic.
                  But for this, in the first echelon, the Poles are needed (as you noted good ) The question is whether they are eager to carry chestnuts out of the fire.
                  On the other hand, the 8000 American contingent you mentioned is quite enough to solve local problems, such as occupying key points in a hypothetical Baltic or Ukrainian theater.
                2. Corn
                  Corn 10 November 2019 17: 11 New
                  0
                  NATO has a huge transport fleet, which within 1-2 months is quite able to transfer equipment scattered around the world to the right place. And transport aircraft will deliver people with avant-garde even faster.
            2. Incvizitor
              Incvizitor 10 November 2019 22: 16 New
              0
              leaving a minimum in Europe.
              They are dominated by American lackeys, everywhere are their spies, independent people there at once "step back" do they need a large number of occupying forces in these countries? Perhaps it would be necessary if the population there found the strength to fight for their freedom, but they are submissive like sheep.
        2. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 10 November 2019 20: 37 New
          +2
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Parallel processes are underway: European countries of NATO (except Poland) are weakening, but Russia (economics and demography) is also weakening. A little "surge" in Russia - a "surge" in NATO.
          The Americans are turning their military attention to China, leaving a minimum in Europe.
          The fact that the United Kingdom gets on skis and leaves the EU is itself an unhealthy sign that the problems of the EU are not just starting, but that they already exist and will only get worse in the foreseeable future. For the United States, the EU is primarily an economic competitor, and only secondarily a partner, which, if necessary, can be sacrificed in order to stay afloat ourselves. If the Americans can implement the scenario of a military clash between the EU and Russia, then they will be able to eliminate two competitors and earn a lot of money on this. Macron’s statement says that France is not very eager to get involved in a military adventure that nato’s think tank carries. As for Stoltenberg, this is the same unprincipled personality as Gorbachev, who, in the event of a slaughter, will wash off abroad and watch Europe go rogue and rant about "What led to the collapse of the Euro Union." Humpbacked said the other day that he had found the guilty parties for the collapse of the Union, and that was not him, but the State Emergency Committee.
          1. Oyo Sarkazmi
            Oyo Sarkazmi 10 November 2019 21: 31 New
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            Quote: Nyrobsky
            If the Americans can implement the scenario of a military clash between the EU and Russia, then they will be able to eliminate two competitors

            It is now impossible to make a mess in Europe without destroying the financial system of the world, including the internal United States. What is the United States without credit cards, Dow Jones and Wall Street? 400 million beggars.
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 10 November 2019 21: 47 New
              +2
              Quote: Oyo Sarkazmi
              Quote: Nyrobsky
              If the Americans can implement the scenario of a military clash between the EU and Russia, then they will be able to eliminate two competitors

              It is now impossible to make a mess in Europe without destroying the financial system of the world, including the internal USA.
              US will kill the euro zone.
    4. nks
      nks 10 November 2019 18: 01 New
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      . Anyway, there’s a little sense from France to NATO

      With such pathos, you seem to be writing directly from NATO headquarters, although in reality you are new to even open data.
      Quote: voyaka uh
      They useful shot in Iraq from howitzers during the siege of Mosul

      In fact, the second number of sorties after the United States in Iraq and Syria against the IS (by the way, in Libya at the time it was the first one), well, plus the ground part

      Quote: voyaka uh
      they can be invited to joint operations in coalitions and outside of NATO

      Who can?)) Here membership in general does not really matter. The absence of France in the military bloc in the 90s did not prevent her from participating in the NATO operation in the former Yugoslavia, and the presence of the Germans did not prevent them from giving up the war in Iraq in 2003 (in fact, this was not formally a NATO operation), and even now France continues to have its own command in NATO operations and not state.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 10 November 2019 19: 19 New
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        "at the same time, and now France continues to have its own command and not state command in NATO operations" ///
        ----
        That is the problem. In serious military operations, dual power is unacceptable.
        (Imagine someone in the Warsaw Pact operation declares: "we do not obey the Soviet command, we will command ourselves" fellow )
        Therefore, without France, NATO is calmer than with her.
        1. nks
          nks 10 November 2019 20: 37 New
          +1
          Quote: voyaka uh
          That is the problem. In serious military operations, dual power is unacceptable.


          You just don’t understand what you’re talking about - there is a joint command allies and direct reporting at the operational level. ATS like NATO did not codify the hierarchy of subordination (in contrast, for example, from the US agreement with Kazakhstan). I won’t argue about the concepts now, but it’s obvious enough that the armed forces of some countries, due to their small size, cannot have operational freedom and initiative. At the same time, the NATO charter does not define any obligations to participate in certain US operations (read above about the participation of Germany and France in operations in Yugoslavia and Iraq (2003). At the operational level, of course, if the OK agreed, then the hierarchy is respected. Usually, the United States commands, but, for example, in the spring attack on the objects of chemical weapons in Syria, the operational command was carried out by the French.


          Quote: voyaka uh
          Therefore, without France, NATO is calmer than with her

          It’s calmer without Turkey (in every sense unreliable guys). By the way, about 4 years ago I was discussing with your fellow citizen about this - it was clear to me even then, but now it just became obvious
          1. Oyo Sarkazmi
            Oyo Sarkazmi 10 November 2019 21: 34 New
            +1
            Nevertheless, Turkey contributes more money to NATO more than France and Germany, since it is in 4th place.
            1. nks
              nks 10 November 2019 21: 36 New
              +1
              In 4th place, where? And do not confuse budgets (my comment on this subject below)
          2. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 10 November 2019 23: 27 New
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            And it’s calmer without Turkey, here I agree with you.
            Disagreements with France are shallow, at the ego level (who obeys whom)
            with Turkey Erdogan - deeper, already at the level of difference in ideologies.
    5. Lelek
      Lelek 10 November 2019 23: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Anyway, there’s not much sense from France to NATO.

      hi
      Well, that’s how to say it. France is the only EU power in the arsenal of which is AO, and this is not a small argument. Germany also has warehouses with atomic ammunition, but the United States owns and disposes of them (by the way, the Germans more than once suggested that the United States remove these weapons, but the vassal is a vassal and at his request overlords ** al). yes
  5. demo
    demo 10 November 2019 14: 03 New
    +4
    Sometimes a bad event happens.
    The body is still alive, and the brain no longer controls the environment.
    They say about such a person - a vegetable.
    The same thing could happen with NATO.
    The brain is separate, and the body is separate.
    It seems to be alive, but there is no sense.
    Only euthanasia helps.
    True, those who "serve" the brain, and this is thousands of parasites, can lose both status and salaries.
    Here Stoltenberg became thoughtful.
    And let's scribble on Twitter.
    Macron’s accusations of elder abuse and love for animals from the east are not far off.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 10 November 2019 15: 57 New
      +2
      Quote: demo
      Sometimes a bad event happens.
      The body is still alive, and the brain no longer controls the environment.

      Fear gives rise to horror and it seems
      This horror travels around the world.
      The brain is separate, the rest is also
      It seems to be alive, but there is no sense.

      The head is in place, the hands are intact
      Internal organs are in order.
      Only the mind suddenly left the body
      And it immediately requires discharge.

      Stoltenberg scribbles on Twitter.
      How to help trouble and he does not know.
      We sit and laugh merrily -
      "The caravan goes, the dog barks" ...
      laughing
      1. Oyo Sarkazmi
        Oyo Sarkazmi 10 November 2019 21: 36 New
        +1
        What if the dog is mad? And walking past is like death.
    2. 210ox
      210ox 10 November 2019 16: 03 New
      +2
      Even worse, if out of nowhere appears a black maid accused of sexual violence.
  6. Armata T-14
    Armata T-14 10 November 2019 14: 07 New
    -7
    The owners of Trump and EdRa, through the organization of the Yellow Vest protests, recruited Macron from the Western Satanists clan to the Eastern Satanists clan
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 10 November 2019 16: 31 New
      +1
      You, as I understand it, from the most powerful clan of White Shirts? Which is temporarily held captive by the satanic clan of the White and Green Robes? bully
      Freedom will come - right after 2021 am
      1. Armata T-14
        Armata T-14 10 November 2019 23: 14 New
        0
        ___________ Not)
  7. Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 10 November 2019 14: 11 New
    +3
    Stoltenberg is simply an agent of influence of the American military-industrial complex in Europe and nothing more. French-German projects can become more serious and sellable not only in Europe but also in the world. And the Europeans will only increase arms purchases and renew their armies in the coming years. This is about business, not war.
  8. Thrifty
    Thrifty 10 November 2019 14: 17 New
    0
    If it were not for Trump’s demand to increase the military-industrial complex to 2 percent, then NATO would not have paid attention to the British exit from the European Union.
    1. nks
      nks 10 November 2019 18: 10 New
      +1
      This is not Trump’s demand (and it’s not about the military-industrial complex) - it’s an obligation on the size of military budgets that NATO countries themselves made before Trump (in the 2000s)
      But NATO, and so does not pay much attention. In general, it is not necessary to confuse the NATO budget (administrative - it also exists) and the military budgets of NATO countries. By the way, it is the specific (relative to GDP) size of administrative contributions (it is not about billions, but millions) that the US and the WB in NATO are smaller than the French and German. Well, the United States, okay --- they are in absolute numbers anyway paying more, but the WB is openly hacking
  9. knn54
    knn54 10 November 2019 14: 24 New
    0
    The French cannot forgive Syria for the Yankees. In northern Syria, they had 8 bases where they trained the Kurds. After the go-ahead to the Trump Turks, they urgently evacuated. In general, the Yankees threw both the Turks and the French with Kurds and oil
    1. nks
      nks 10 November 2019 18: 14 New
      +1
      There were no 8 base bases. What could be called bases is from the strength of 2-3, the rest (10 pieces) are just points of presence. And they did not evacuate, but essno there some changes were made after that. It is not the United States as such, but Trump’s deviant policy, which for his administration and generals is a problem
  10. Thrifty
    Thrifty 10 November 2019 14: 26 New
    +2
    Not the British, but the Turks can now be an unpleasant surprise for NATO. Given the refusal of the United States to sell f35, the Turks can easily throw in revenge on NATO by reformatting their share of the budget of the block completely for their internal goals, thereby throwing both the United States and the entire NATO block. ..
  11. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 10 November 2019 14: 28 New
    0
    laughing laughing lol NATO's core budget: USA, Norway, Canada, Turkey, and Britain after Brexit. Who pays and orders music.
  12. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 10 November 2019 14: 29 New
    +1
    Quote: Keyser Soze
    Stoltenberg is simply an agent of influence of the American military-industrial complex in Europe and nothing more. French-German projects can become more serious and sellable not only in Europe but also in the world. And the Europeans will only increase arms purchases and renew their armies in the coming years. This is about business, not war.
    Correctly laughing laughing Guns in place of oil lol
  13. cniza
    cniza 10 November 2019 14: 29 New
    +2
    Moreover, such words and attempts can split Europe itself.


    She is already cracking at all seams.
  14. askort154
    askort154 10 November 2019 14: 31 New
    0
    Stoltenberg responded to Macron’s statement on NATO: Such words can split Europe itself

    After visiting the parade "75 Years of VICTORY" in Moscow, wait for new statements about NATU from Macron. yes
  15. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 10 November 2019 14: 35 New
    +1
    US reformat relations with allies. From the position of a sponsor to the position of pragmatic financial proportionality. Simply put, the Yankees are tired of paying for everyone laughing laughing .
    And when there is a threat to fork out, then friends suddenly cease to be friends, they rebel indignantly and look for words for retaliatory charges.
    A similar can be observed in relation to Russia - Belarus .... As long as Moscow is ready to drag bulbo-expenses Moscow is a friend! But as soon as Moscow relieves the load, it is immediately poured with mud and blackmailed.
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  17. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 10 November 2019 14: 56 New
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    NATO bases are not alliance bases, they are US bases, including in Europe. US military bases were needed to advance interests. It is impossible to further advance interests, the globe has ended, and there are no longer those with whom the United States shared the loot in the colonies. Itself is not enough. laughing laughing
  18. Eroma
    Eroma 10 November 2019 15: 04 New
    -2
    In fact, if NATO is dissolved, the world will become better! The United States will not disappear, therefore, democracy in the world will be protected!
    And Europe will decide independently how to protect itself, with whom to conflict, and with whom to be friends.
    The dependence of mankind on American elections will decline sharply!
  19. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 10 November 2019 15: 24 New
    +1
    Statements by European politicians about NATO's insolvency are not without common sense. With the destruction of the Warsaw Pact, and most importantly, with the "hasty flight" from the CMEA of the countries of the former socialist camp, with the "voluntary consent" of the USSR to withdraw troops from Germany and the destruction of the Berlin Wall, the very threat of an attack from the USSR seemed crazy. But, the main ideologists of the confrontation between Europe and Russia (the Anglo-Saxons) could not allow so simply to give up the development of a competitive economy. At first they organized a “bloody massacre” in Europe itself, and then, creating military conflicts, they sponsored waves of refugees in prosperous Europe and the participation of the European countries themselves in the destruction of ties with neighboring countries ... And suddenly, oh, a miracle! There was an insight in the minds. Many began to wonder: “What next?”
    Europe is completely unprepared to fight the enemy whom the states are so stubbornly pushing. She does not want to confront the eternal debates of the Slavs and pay a high price for this.
    Brexit brave GB showed that at any moment can get out of absolutely any union, and then ... All the hardships and hardships will be placed on the shoulders of Germany and France?
    Or someone had the opinion that the “warriors of the world” and the Pentagon bosses would personally lead a mass invasion for or against ... Again, what?
    Russia has not budged, despite the apparent approach to its borders of this militant bloc. It lays gas pipelines, providing Europe with cheap gas. She is very interested in purchasing not only advanced industrial equipment, but also in joint energy projects ... Joint military maneuvers near the EU’s borders do not go beyond international agreements and cause some “bear sickness” ... Moreover, from the Russian Minister of Defense invitations are received to take part in army games and competitions in shooting from tanks and “air darts” ...
    But there is a restless Stoltenberg, who repeats like an “ass” that tomorrow, the deadline is the day after tomorrow, Russia must certainly attack ... Remember the tale “The Brave Hare”? Maybe Macron (no offense comparison) is tired of being afraid? Perhaps it began to reach the rest of Europe that no one was going to conquer, poison or shoot it in the air?
    What? Statement made. Major economies must weigh everything and make a choice:
    whether to drag this NATO clamp further or to rely on God's will and destiny. Reality shows that there are many places on our planet, but because some have ceased to adequately assess realities and have lost the right to their own opinion, life in these places does not get any better.
    And from these thoughts not only Macron or Merkel’s head can split, but also something more ...
    hi
  20. Dude
    Dude 10 November 2019 15: 36 New
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    It seems to me that all these statements of Macron, are aimed at bringing out again, on the agenda, the question of creating a single European army. To whom this is beneficial is another question, but, IMHO, the creation of such an association is definitely not in Russia's interests. What ends the consolidation of European armies under one flag and control - we know very well from history.
  21. Aliken
    Aliken 10 November 2019 15: 39 New
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    This disgruntled general is afraid of being left without work, now he will start to scare everyone with a vengeance of Russia, and end up being the only one with a gun at the ready to move the war to the Kremlin.
  22. Pavel57
    Pavel57 10 November 2019 16: 00 New
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    Will there be enough strength at the "roof" of Macron?
  23. Ros 56
    Ros 56 10 November 2019 16: 07 New
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    Come on, crack, why crack there, the nut is even stronger, but it’s easy to crumble like a rotten one. what
  24. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 10 November 2019 16: 27 New
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    Stoltenber only for shareware represents at least some authority. For the rest, a typical, wedding general, On bezrybe and Stoltenberg is a shark.
  25. demo
    demo 10 November 2019 17: 38 New
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    The creation of a unified army in Europe will face the most important difficulty - leadership.
    The Poles with their wet dreams (from Mezha to Mezha) will not want to go under the Germans.
    And the French are not smiling.
    And the Germans, as the main financial and industrial locomotive of Europe, will not want to be under anyone.
    I’m silent about the rest.
    What kind of army will this be?
    And then there are the proud Balts and Bulgarians with Romanians!
    We only learned to kiss American blacks in the form of the US Army, and then bam and that's it!
    Kiss the German.
    Though! Do not get used to it.
    So they will bury Macron's dream.
  26. Fantazer911
    Fantazer911 10 November 2019 21: 06 New
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    After Brexit, about 80 percent of NATO defense spending will come from countries outside the European Union. At the same time, from countries belonging to the European Union, Germany will retain the status of command of one of the combat groups in the east of the alliance.

    Yes, after these allegations, Poland will begin to hysteria, so the Poles wanted to be the main wife, Oops did not ride winked
  27. forester1971
    forester1971 10 November 2019 21: 20 New
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    In February 1966, de Gaulle drove NATO out of France, did Macron decide to repeat de Gaulle's action?
    Interestingly, is the procedure for leaving NATO legally prescribed?
  28. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 10 November 2019 21: 23 New
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    As Carl Gustav Jung said, "Europe is a small peninsula on the vast Asian mainland." wassat
  29. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 10 November 2019 21: 32 New
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    If NATO is a dragon, then he got drunk. The left head in a fluff quarreled with the right, and the middle one, so as not to hurt, the head climbed into the ass. laughing
  30. Pavel skaletski
    Pavel skaletski 10 November 2019 22: 20 New
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    Apparently France again wants to leave them of this block.
    1. Avior
      Avior 11 November 2019 01: 43 New
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      France never left NATO, only from some of its structures
      https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/ru/politique-etrangere/securite-desarmement-et-non-proliferation/la-france-et-l-otan/
  31. Klingon
    Klingon 11 November 2019 02: 52 New
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    Quote: voyaka uh
    "... but is it not time to get your own European army, without the presence of an American gluttonous contingent" ////
    ------
    The American army is large and combat-ready, equipped with modern technology, air
    and maritime support, means of transfer and landing.
    European - no.
    In the French army, for example, there are only two combat-ready divisions / brigades:
    Foreign Legion and Airborne.
    The English army is a dozen special forces and strike battalions.
    ----
    About gluttony: Americans pay for their food at European bases.
    And they pay well. When Obama withdrew most of the American parts from Germany,
    locals staged demonstrations at their city halls: "Do not let the Americans leave - we
    left without work! "

    that's just about Germany do not need to invent what is not. No one here asked them to stay. What side will the Germans be unemployed because of this ?? what nonsense are you talking about? the Germans would have also kicked with pleasure striped in pursuit, but there is no determination. Nobody has welcomed these bases for a long time, especially those where B61 are stored, since they understand that these are targets for the Iskanders
    read at least the original material before writing something about which the concept is distant. Do you know the echo deceptively, especially in the mountains))
    https://apps.derstandard.de/privacywall/story/2000083241540/fast-jeder-zweite-deutsche-laut-umfrage-fuer-abzug-der-us
    1. nks
      nks 11 November 2019 09: 31 New
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      Quote: Klingon
      read at least original material before writing something about which there is a distant concept


      He has no time to read - he writes comments laughing
  32. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 12 November 2019 03: 57 New
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    - “The non-EU countries will provide the basic budget of NATO. These are the USA, Norway, Canada, Turkey and Britain” - whom we protect, we have !!! The French begin to understand.