Gorbachev told who is to blame for the collapse of the USSR

The first and only president of the Soviet Union, Mikhail Gorbachev, stated that those who organized the August coup of 1991 of the year are guilty of the collapse of the Soviet Union. He spoke about this on the eve of the 30 anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall in an interview with the German magazine Der Spiegel.

In his interview, Gorbachev stated that those who organized the coup in 1991 and then took advantage of the weakened position of the president of the Soviet Union were to blame for the end of perestroika and the collapse of the USSR. At the same time, he and the entire leadership of the country understood the probable risks of the ongoing reforms. He also admits that during the perestroika there were mistakes and mistakes, but he does not regret what happened and believes that Russia will never return to a totalitarian system.

The end of perestroika and the collapse of the Soviet Union are responsible for those who organized the coup in August 1991, and after the coup used the weakened position of the president of the USSR

- he stressed.

According to him, it was already impossible to live as we lived before and changes were required.

It was impossible to live as before. And an essential part of perestroika was the new foreign policy thinking, which encompasses both universal values ​​and nuclear disarmament, as well as freedom of choice

- explained the ex-president of the USSR.

Recall that the Soviet Union virtually ceased to exist 25 on December 1991 after Gorbachev addressed the Soviet people, in which he announced the completion of his activities as president of the USSR. This was preceded by the Bialowieza Agreement, signed by Yeltsin, Shushkevich and Kravchuk, which spoke about the termination of the existence of the USSR and proclaimed the creation of the Commonwealth of Independent States.

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[Observer2014]

Mikhail Gorbachev said that those who organized the August coup of 1991 of the year are guilty of the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Liar. Blaming people who tried to save the country with all their might. Top hypocrisy.

[svp67]

Quote: Observer2014

Liar. Blaming people who tried to save the country with all their might. Top hypocrisy.

Yes, he's lying. Since it is no longer a secret that he himself was behind this "putsch". Trying to shift all the "dirty work" onto others, and remain "white" himself, so as not to "lose face before the West."
But even if you take his position and believe that the "putsch" was organized by someone, then the question arises, what kind of leader are you who possessed UNLIMITED POWER, that you allowed this, especially from such "mediocrities" ...

[Observer2014]

svp67 (Sergei)

Trying to shift all the "dirty work" onto others, and remain "white" himself, so as not to "lose face before the West."

Yes .And then came the Yeltsins (in every republic of the former great country) We were witnesses to a grandiose spectacle. Bloody. And vile.

[Blacksmith 55]

My opinion is that Gorbachev finished the collapse of the party and the USSR, everything began, alas, much earlier. In the sixties and seventies.

[Svarog]

Quote: smith 55

My opinion is that Gorbachev finished the collapse of the party and the USSR, everything began, alas, much earlier. In the sixties and seventies.

Khrushchev began the collapse .. I don’t know if they were foolish from foolishness, if they were a betrayal ..

[stalki]

Khrushchev began the collapse .. I don’t know if they were foolish from foolishness, if they were a betrayal ..

From envy. I agree, from March 5, 1953, the collapse began. Because Khrushchev cut down many of Stalin’s projects.

[Shurik70]

Quote: Observer2014

Blaming people who tried to save the country with all their might. Top hypocrisy.

I doubt it.
The putschists were inactive. Did not NOTHING, except for the alleged blockade of Gorbachev at his Yalta cottage.
Shortly after the start of the putsch, a press conference was held.

Real conspirators would first clean up, transplant everyone who was ruining the country. And only after that would be a press conference. At the press conference itself, they openly mumbled, pretending that they did not know what to answer, like schoolchildren of the lower grades, who were caught by the principal for painting mustaches on portraits.
In general, having watched this press conference, I immediately realized that this was a production. The seasoned wolves of political intrigue cannot be mummies. After the putsch, one of those who gave the press conference committed suicide with three shots to the head (he requested to see too many barrels of jam). The rest, allegedly, spent a year and a half in prison, were released for health reasons, and lived for a long time, occupying not weak monetary posts.
And one in general is still alive, the chairman of the board of directors of the corporation Rosobschemash, although he was already an old man in 91, he "undermined" his health in prison like that.

The putsch was not an attempt to revive the USSR, but a control shot of the killers of the USSR

[anjey]

The 1991 coup was a "theatrical" transfer of power to the EBN, the directors were out of a puddle.
Once again people visited noodles.
Still jarring from Gorbachev's speeches, which we were forced to take notes in VU, such as

...... each family has separate housing in 2000

[nikvic46]

Sergey. In 1953, after the death of Stalin, Malenkov came to power. And the National Assembly came in 2,5 years.

[bang]

Under Stalin, Khrushchev was a clown among party members. And when he came to power, he began to brainlessly eradicate everything connected with Stalin.
By the way, Mao Zedong also considered Khrushchev a clown and did not respect the head of the USSR from the word at all. Hence the open tension in Sino-Soviet relations.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: Svarog

Khrushchev began the collapse .. I don’t know if they were foolish from foolishness, if they were a betrayal ..

It began with the protection of party bonzes! It was also written here that under Khrushchev, a ban was put to put it mildly, on top control from law enforcement and state security bodies! I personally think that this all started!

[AU Ivanov.]

Not every cook can rule the state. This also applies to Nicholas II and Khrushchev and Gorbachev.

[Flatter]

Then why did the next

[Private89]

1. After Stalin, the idea of ​​socialism was no longer developed, preserved and turned into a dogma, but the idea is very good!
2. The consciousness of the party nomenclature began to degenerate from socialist to bourgeois, and ultimately everything turned into a 91 year old.
3. The vigilance of the Soviet people was reassured by speeches that socialism had triumphed and the class struggle had ended. They forgot that even Stalin said that as we approach socialism, the class struggle will increase ..

[Fat]

Private! There is no Stalin, there is no socialism. But the information war is on. In full swing, I note

[Voyager]

And I agree. And with the transfer of Crimea, all this shit is just beginning to gain momentum ..

[Fat]

No. Consciously. From a great love of power. Destroyed all the property of the Soviet system. Did a lot of good, yes. But discredited the idea

[Lelek]

Quote: Svarog

Khrushchev began the collapse .. I don’t know if they were foolish from foolishness, if they were a betrayal ..

I think the same. Who was he in Stalin's retinue? - a clown dancing the hopak at the host's parties. For which he harbored anger at him, which he poured into "condemnation of Stalinism", destroying everything that was created under Stalin's leadership. And he began to do this by destroying desks. apparatus and posing as a clown at the UN and in contacts with Western leaders. The introduction of corn in the northern regions of the USSR alone is worth something, but "international gratuitous aid" ... Yes, a lot of other things. And the "hunchback" just finished what he had begun. This skunk, as they say: "where to think - like a fly, and where to chew and shit - like a hippopotamus."

[Nikolai Korovin]

On the question of the role of personality in history. Khrushchev did not act on his own. He expressed the interests of the party nomenklatura, which Stalin pushed into the background in the last years of his rule. Cooperation ("small business" in today's terminology) developed successfully. With the death of Stalin, this process was stopped. Although Malenkov tried to take some measures in the same direction, Khrushchev and Co. quickly pushed him out. In the countryside, in fact, the second collectivization took place, albeit less severe than the first. But, unlike the first, it was absolutely not caused by necessity and only caused strong discontent without any positive effect. More precisely, the effect was negative. And then virgin lands began, corn, unpromising villages in central Russia ... In general, "paprash cannot be expressed in my house." On the back of the trucks was the inscription: "Not sure - don't overtake." Wits added - America. As a result, in 1963, if I remember correctly, I had to buy bread from Canada. It was then that Nikita Sergeich did not sit still.
No, he was not a traitor. Just the nonsense of a graduate of the VPSh with good intentions. Gorbachev was more literate. He, presumably, as a whole, nevertheless understood what he was doing, although not to the end.

[Scoun]

Quote: smith 55

My opinion is that Gorbachev finished the collapse of the party and the USSR, everything began, alas, much earlier. In the sixties and seventies.

And that's right, just look at when the cards were introduced, starting with Khrushchev. In 47 after the terrible war they were canceled and after almost 10 years they were again introduced.
The following cards appeared when tagged. That is, the shoals of changing his system and to blame for his creation?
Rotten he pasuda.

[Nikolai Korovin]

I remember in 1985 on the Alazani River. Two come with two cans. "Let's drink, guys. We don't respect Gorbachev's law." Well, they drank, of course. Fortunately, there were a lot of people - well, a liter per snout.
This is the question of why Gabunias are now in Georgia. About 40 years ago it didn’t smell like that.
No, Marshals Yazov and Akhromeev are to blame. 6 years after the start of felling. Combiner Misha, best friend of Vice President Yanayev.
Swearing is not good. It is necessary to find streamlined formulations, in the style of "Gentlemen of Fortune": "This bad man will betray us at the first danger."

[Fat]

Dumbest it is. Worse than a nihilist idealist

[Nitochkin]

Precisely, the "elite" began to rot during this period and the Marked One was the quintessence of this rot, as they say, flesh of flesh, or rather pus from pus.

[REEKMAN]

It all started with the departure from the life of I.V. Stalin ...

[PalBor]

That's exactly what. The secretaries of the Central Committee of the republics decided to become bays, well, or masters of their uluses. And he, with friends like Shevardnadze and Yakovlev, only indulged. This is more than a crime: this is a mistake ...

[Oyo Sarkazmi]

Quote: PalBor

The secretaries of the Central Committee of the republics decided to become bays, well, or masters of their uluses.

Well, I do not. All republics, except the Baltic states, were simply thrown away like unnecessary puppies. and three months in these Central Committee reigned complete confusion. They even hesitated to hold state property for six months. And then they started to get used to it.
And Gorbachev is definitely to blame. "The fight against unearned income". With food production. After the well-fed Brezhnev times, he began to destroy what kept the USSR afloat - personal farms. He removed some 5% from the food market - and there was a shortage of goods in the country. Debilitated talonization began, and at the same time - overstocking. The warehouses were packed to the ceiling with sugar, shoes, and Yugoslavian sheepskin coats. Everything was stored, written off, and moved to the homes of warehouse managers and commodity specialists.
My classmate, zavsklad, 4 years traded in concealed sugar, after the collapse of the USSR.
However, I do not regret the collapse. It might have been strange to see thousandths of prices, but you could live if you were spinning around.

[Fat]

Oh! Nice post. But I do not believe your ostentatious naivety. So LIVE. It is impossible. Well, we survived, I survived. Saved the children, nursing grandchildren. But he never elevated theft

[Fat]

By the way, not labor income is Andropov’s slogan, not Gorbachev’s. Official prostitution with co-ops and com. At a price Michal launched, as did the criminal war of the 90s. Mikhail deserves negativity even more than Boris

[Sotskiy]

Quote: Thick

Mikhail deserves negativity even more than Boris

These two female dogs do not deserve negativity, as you write, but "towers" for crimes committed against the State and the people of a once common country.

[Oyo Sarkazmi]

Nobody erected it. We just lived inside it. Related posts. Even such an unfunny Kazakh joke: the elder brother is the secretary of the district committee, the middle brother is the head of the police, the younger brother is a thief in law. So that not a penny does not pass by. Cotton, potatoes, beets, tangerines ... These are not products, this is a process of degradation of political power, when engineers, turners and accountants were sent to help the "unsinkable" thieving chairman-drunkard to do what the collective farm has equipment for.
Andropov had a bzink on discipline. And "unearned income" and "wages" are originally Gorbachev's, when the party nomenklatura was considered the only workers, and the rest were idlers and parasites dodging work.

[Polymer]

A photo of Nazarbayev is not entirely appropriate here. He just did not crave collapse, since he had real prospects of getting into the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee, and there you look and ... in general, he counted on more than becoming president of Kazakhstan, albeit supposedly independent.
Then - yes, he reconciled with the situation and began to build his career accordingly. But at that moment he was definitely against collapse.

[PalBor]

Fick knows him, by the way he was already a member of the Politburo ... And the president of the Kazakh SSR since April 1990. Even before the State Emergency Committee, almost a year earlier, so ...

[Polymer]

Quote: PalBor

By the way, he was already a member of the Politburo ...

Yes, I was. He was "exiled" to the Kazakh SSR after the events of December 1986. But he would have preferred to return to Moscow.

[PalBor]

Since I had relatives in both Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, I can imagine what began to slowly, but unstoppably happen with pressure on the Russians from the 89th year on. As the apartments were squeezed out, teachers were fired, especially Russian and literature, but also mathematics and physics and geography, heh ... And your Nazarbayev did nothing to protect the Russians.
Well, at least they didn’t kill both in Tajikistan and Uzbekistan ... And thanks for that.

[Polymer]

In vain minus. I do not defend Nazarbayev at all. Just for justice - he was not among the initiators of the collapse of a great country. Although then he took full advantage of the fruits of this crash.
As for your relatives, I don’t know anyone’s words, I myself have lived here and still live. I can not guarantee that one day I will not have to run, but so far there are no such plans.

[PalBor]

Emotions Just as I recall, how my sisters were forced from Issyk-Kul from their houses to blame sharply in the unknown and unsettled in the Omsk, Novosibirsk and Ryazan regions with small children ... How they could help, but you know, not that. They went to the places where there were teachers' bets in the villages, and they lived for the first 4-5 years in such barracks, uh. Sorry for the minus, freaked out, compensate.

[Polymer]

I see.

[Scoun]

Quote: PalBor

Just as I recall, how my sisters were forced from Issyk-Kul from their houses to blame sharply in the unknown and unsettled in Omsk,

Inspired.
90s, two Bashkir families left a village in the Osh region, one for Ufa, the other for Ulyanovsk, a Tatar family for Naberezhnye Chelny. After the Osh events, three Russian families left, then there was a pause until 96 and three families left for Bishkek, two for Osh were all employees of the research institute, the next wave 98-2000 left for Omsk, Tomsk and Irkutsk, these are Russians, Balkars and Kyrgyz, employees Research institutes and teachers. All three waves were mainly economic, and teachers began to leave because the local Nazis began to promote the idea of ​​renaming the entire "Russian" word, even the word computer, to Kirghiz.
Just know and talk take off the ties of the research institute.
PS.
The ideas of the Natsiks quickly went to naught. All Kyrgyz who knew Russian well began to find work for all kinds of Phillipmoriss, and now the former “Natsiks” send their children to Russian classes and private Russian schools. I have a friend from Tsernovets, in the summer he went for a walk in the Issyk-Kul mountains, they came in full delight, they only did not like the cow "cakes" in the mountains.
PS.
I forgot about Demyanenko who left for Krasnoyarsk.

[PalBor]

Yes, I agree, now the attitude is much better. In the 90s, my uncle moved from the Lake to a Russian village near Frunze. But now he is the king of three villages, especially the neighboring Kyrgyz, because the only normal welder is thousand for ten people. Kyrgyz do not pull

[Tank hard]

Quote: PalBor

Since I had relatives in both Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, I can imagine what began to slowly, but unstoppably happen with pressure on the Russians from the 89th year on. As the apartments were squeezed out, teachers were fired, especially Russian and literature, but also mathematics and physics and geography, heh ... And your Nazarbayev did nothing to protect the Russians.

I confirm, was born in the Kyrgyz SSR, lived there until 2005 inclusive. The father lives in Kazakhstan, Taraz (Dzhambul), still.

[Fat]

This is worse. Than a crime is a mistake. (WITH)

[The popuas]

Ahaha ... why WAS !? we are still watching this performance ... bloody and vile ...

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Popuas

Ahaha ... why WAS !? we still watch this show ... bloody and vile ...

Keyword: look. Not do, look and slam eyes ... How long?!?!

[AUL]

Quote: Misha Honest

Keyword: look. We don’t do it, but we look and slap our eyes ...

Yes, because everyone is waiting for his uncle to come and do everything well. And to do something ourselves is troublesome, and it is fraught ...

[Misha Honest]

Quote from AUL

fraught

I agree. The example of Lev Rokhlin is still remembered by many

[Oyo Sarkazmi]

They didn’t beat you properly, and it’s not your laziness that you blame for the inability to manage your world, but some kind of regime. Dreaming of sacred democratic cookies from the hands of executioners. But alas, democracy will give you only whips.

[Fat]

This is you, Popuas, look. Viewer. I live in this reality. I live poorly, but I do not survive. I live.

[The popuas]

I also live and I am tired of this performance from the first, first persons of the state and ending with the local, municipality, ..... we deal with the local slowly, they begin to work, creaking, but they work! In the area something has changed for the better! But with these two, we are definitely not on the way ...

[Pavel57]

The West loves dvuhhodovki-Kerensky-Lenin, Gorbachev-Yeltsin.

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Pavel57

The West loves dvuhhodovki-Kerensky-Lenin, Gorbachev-Yeltsin.

Please do not compare the one who ruined and * torn the country (Kerensky) with the one who combined it from the threshing floor and sticks (Lenin).

[Pavel57]

I’m about the approach of the West, not what happened in the end.

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Pavel57

I’m about the approach of the West, not what happened in the end.

Well - in a century, the Western approach worked for the good of our country. Perhaps the only time in its history.

[Pavel57]

There are misfires. Although success is not in Lenin / Trotsky.)))

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Pavel57

There are misfires. Although success is not in Lenin / Trotsky.)))

Here, not so much the success of Lenin as the fatigue of the people and the stupidity of the bourgeois of Kerinsky worked.

[Pavel57]

Tops can not, bottoms do not want.))) ₽

[The popuas]

Look at China, with it the west also pierced ...

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Popuas

Look at China, with it the west also pierced ...

So I look. And I’m somehow very sad at heart from the realization that we could have been as strong a country if it weren’t for the body-theme of this article and some EBN ...

[your1970]

That’s never for Kerensky — but Lenin had nothing to do with the unification of the country ....

[your1970]

Quote: your1970

That’s never for Kerensky — but Lenin had nothing to do with the unification of the country ....

gentlemen minusers - whom did Lenin join?
or not with him fled Ukraine / Caucasus / Finland / Central Asia ???

[Tank hard]

Quote: your1970

gentlemen minusers - whom did Lenin join?
or not with him fled Ukraine / Caucasus / Finland / Central Asia

Putting a minus is easier than thinking with an open mind.

[your1970]

Quote: Misha Honest

The country was already running up to the October Revolution - AT Kerensky. That’s what scattered — Lenin returned it. In addition to Finland and the Baltic states.

-The start of the run BEFORE-completed AFTER October ....

On November 21 (December 4) of 1917 at the Military Moldavian Congress, Sfatul Tsarii was formed, which on December 2 (15) of 1917 on December, adopted a declaration proclaiming the formation of the Moldavian Democratic Republic [22]:
On 12 (25) on January 1918 after the dispersal of the Constituent Assembly, the Transcaucasian Commissariat, having discussed the political situation, decided to convene the Transcaucasian Sejm from delegates from Transcaucasia to the All-Russian Constituent Assembly as the legislative body of Transcaucasia.
On November 17, elections were held in which 76 delegates were elected. Kurultay opened on November 26 in the Khan's Palace (Bakhchisarai). He took all the powers of the Muslim Executive Committee, proclaimed the creation of the Crimean People’s Republic, adopted its Constitution and state symbols, and then declared himself the Parliament of the Crimean People’s Republic. The government was led by Noman Celebijihan.
On November 15, the Bashkir central Shuro explicitly adopted a decree on the proclamation of the autonomy of Bashkurdistan, which was announced the next day by Farman No. 2 (Decree No. 2)
On 5-13 on December 1917, at the 2nd All-Kazakh Congress in Orenburg, Alash autonomy was proclaimed (Kaz. Alash-Orda) with its capital in Semipalatinsk.
In November 1917 in the territory of Dagestan and the mountain districts of the Terek region of the Central Committee of the Union of the United Highlanders of the Caucasus, the Mountain Republic was proclaimed, headed by A. Chermoev.
26 October 1917 year, General Kaledin declares martial law on the Don, the Troops government assumes the fullness of state power in the region.

[Misha Honest]

Quote: your1970

-the run-up DO-started AFTER October ....

I do not argue. The citizen began and everyone began to more actively pull the blanket over themselves.
However, the whole red discord ended with them, and their laurels ...

PS. And by the way, white - quite actively, each of them bit off a piece of land, local princes knocked themselves down and dreamed (probably) of the imperial crown on their own head.

[Fat]

Fair? The country existed without Ilyich and Kerensky for several thousand years.

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Thick

Fair? The country existed without Ilyich and Kerensky for several thousand years.

Existed. To Nicholas 2. And with him she took and began to disintegrate. As well as under Gorbachev.

[Nikolai Korovin]

The West initially did not place any stake on Kerensky. Look at the composition of the 1st Provisional Government. All Octobrists and Cadets. Well, "Trudovik" Kerensky - more for a laugh. And only then the Socialist-Revolutionaries got in, and Kerensky himself spread over to the Socialist-Revolutionaries. In fact, there was a conspiracy of ambassadors - there was no conspiracy of ambassadors - they didn't fucking understand what was really going on here. The collapse began with the order number 1 of the now unknown commissar Sokolov. Although, yes, Kerensky has already put his hand here. But still, he was still a "gray horse". The head of the government is Prince Lvov. They wanted to play back "Order No. 1", but it didn't work out.

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Nikolai Korovin

The West initially did not make any bet on Kerensky.

This is your guess. Just as I assume the opposite.

[Skarpzd]

Witnesses ??? No, we were observers. if not accomplices.

[bald]

this is generally a thought. that he is indisputable

[Fat]

I think all the time. What this driver saw with his hand as a target. About ... The country for what. Well, not for the twill pants ... Accuses this democrat. Whom? He won’t say, he got lost in demagoguery

[1976AG]

Would he admit to betraying a whole nation? Scoundrel !!

[knn54]

"But a traitor is such a peculiar disgusting creature ... I think that even a typhoid louse would be offended by comparison with a traitor."
Maksim Gorky.
PS To organize fundraising for the casting of the Peter's Order of Judah No. 2-earned.

[1976AG]

Just the audacity is enough to blame everything else on others! Silence would be better at all! Or let him out to the square to people, let him listen to what they think about him !!!

[GKS 2111]

What is there to talk about ... Damn it, Judas.

[Nikolaevich I]

That's how she looks (!) ... Judah's medal ...

[Karabin]

Quote: GKS 2111

What to talk about here ..

Order of the Holy Apostle Andrew the First-Called. Awarded on March 2, 2011 - for his great personal contribution to strengthening peace and friendship between peoples and many years of fruitful social activity

What is HERE to talk about?

[frog]

Who awarded him?

[Karabin]

Quote: frog

Who awarded him?

Worthless. Nepriemyshem then premiered.

[frog]

Who is the Order of Honor?

[syndicalist]

Yeltsin in 2001.

[frog]

Ha, now the minuses are being sculpted for questions)))))

[1976AG]

Quote: knn54

"But a traitor is such a peculiar disgusting creature ... I think that even a typhoid louse would be offended by comparison with a traitor."
Maksim Gorky.
PS To organize fundraising for the casting of the Peter's Order of Judah No. 2-earned.

and in Moscow on the frontal place to hand.

[Hort]

on IT still spend cast iron ?! Nope, only a loop

[4ekist]

Not worth it. I won’t give a penny.

[Fat]

Gorky on Capri contained a Bolshevik school of militants. Need to think for your own money? Pharisees and traitor this frame. And a terrorist accomplice. Let's refer to bin Laden

[tihonmarine]

Quote: 1976AG

Would he admit to betraying a whole nation? Scoundrel !!

Satan.

[Tersky]

"Reformer", traitor and epoch-making insignificance, in one bottle.

[Terenin]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: 1976AG

Would he admit to betraying a whole nation? Scoundrel !!

Satan.

Yeah , really check the expression - why is Gorbachev alive? Because the devils are afraid that he will destroy Hell

[Misha Honest]

Quote: 1976AG

in betrayal of an entire nation

By the way, the people also betrayed their country! How many people came out in 1993 to defend the country and the White House? Here they definitely need to erect monuments!

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Misha Honest

How many people came out in 1993 to defend the country and the White House?

Khasbulatova defend with Rutskoi? Misha, you are probably really honest ... but at that time healthy people didn’t have such a desire.

I remember both quite well, but Rutskoy - I even knew a little ... why would such "rulers"

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Golovan Jack

I remember both quite well, but Rutskoy - I even knew a little ... why would such "rulers"

Better a tit (under-sparrow) in the hands than a crane (EBN) in the sky!
Do you want to say that under Rutsky it would be worse than under EBNe?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Misha Honest

Do you want to say that under Rutsky it would be worse than under EBNe?

Both that and that were bad. EBN then unwound simply. And now it’s clear - why. But then it was - incomprehensible.

I speak for myself, naturally, for others I have no right. But the fact that the database in the 93rd people didn’t really want to protect shows that I was not the only one who thought so.

As a result, we have what we have. I am not happy if honestly.

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Both that and that were bad.

The principle of lesser evil ...

Quote: Golovan Jack

But the fact that the people didn’t really want to protect the database shows that I was not the only one who thought so.

It’s also difficult to protect the people when they shoot at you from tanks ... We would survive by ourselves.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Misha Honest

The principle of lesser evil ...

I repeat - for me personally EBN then seemed less (or at least - more understandable and predictable) evil than the same Ruslan Imranych

Campaign, not for me alone.

Quote: Misha Honest

It’s also difficult to defend people when tanks shoot at you ...

When from tanks - it’s already too late to rush about. And here before - the guys created a clearly negative attitude towards themselves. Well, either just indifference.

In politics, this is death.

Incidentally, I did not say that Rutskoi and Khazbulatov did not protect the people when, in them, the one from the tanks was a little different. Distort, buddy?

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Golovan Jack

than the same Ruslan Imranych

Perhaps, but now we don’t know ...

[Tank hard]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Both that and that were bad. EBN then unwound simply. And now it’s clear - why. But then it was - incomprehensible.

I speak for myself, naturally, for others I have no right. But the fact that the database in the 93rd people didn’t really want to protect shows that I was not the only one who thought so.

As a result, we have what we have. I'm not happy, to be honest.

Totally agree.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Observer2014

Mikhail Gorbachev said that those who organized the August coup of 1991 of the year are guilty of the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Liar. Blaming people who tried to save the country with all their might. Top hypocrisy.

What did you want to hear from Judah?
This half-hearted ... narrow-minded person, except that "changes are needed", knew nothing more. And what changes, what changes, he is unable to voice or understand today.

[4ekist]

The most important thing is the pluralism of opinions. And this is the main point!!! Yes, yes, yes.

[The popuas]

Such desires are not his ... Raisa rummaged well ...

[Fat]

Just do not need conspiracy theories. Michael in itself a frame in isolation from real

[Observer2014]

Krasnoyarsk

What did you want to hear from Judas? This stupid ... narrow-minded person, except that "changes are needed", knew nothing more. And what changes, what changes, he is unable to voice or understand today.

Yes. This is historical slag, imagining itself to be titanium. And so that the ashes would not be hammered into the cannon. And they didn’t shoot aside from our USSR Homeland, he is trying very, very hard, even to the last. What we are actually observing.

[Svarog]

Quote: Observer2014

Mikhail Gorbachev said that those who organized the August coup of 1991 of the year are guilty of the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Liar. Blaming people who tried to save the country with all their might. Top hypocrisy.

They like to take responsibility off of themselves, but in fact, it was he who Judas and his wife sold their homeland ..

[antivirus]

yes, a teaspoon on the forehead is indispensable-- you need a scoop

[Alien From]

The infection is still labeled. There’s a muzzle that has eaten up. There is no excuse for him, no forgiveness !!!!!!!

[Fat]

So he sells the Nobel, he deserves ...

[To be or not to be]

Gorbachev said that those who organized the putsch in 1991 are to blame for the end of perestroika and the collapse of the USSR. "
So he organized it. .to have an occasion to liquidate the CPSU ..
GKChP. As faithful comrades-in-arms (they had previously been chosen according to their moral and business and ascended closer to the stars of the Kremlin)), they all fulfilled and were forgiven ..

[Starover_Z]

Quote: Observer2014

Mikhail Gorbachev said that those who organized the August coup of 1991 of the year are guilty of the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Liar. Blaming people who tried to save the country with all their might. Top hypocrisy.

According to him, it was already impossible to live as we lived before and changes were required.

Well, there was nothing to live as before - it was necessary to throw their party posts and bring down the monastery, leaving all the property to large families!

[tol100v]

Quote: Observer2014

.Top hypocrisy.

This "bastard-master" is still trying to talk about something !? Great country assassin and trying to be white and fluffy? ... in a word!

[Old Michael]

Liar

Somehow you are very affectionate to him ...

[Sahalinets]

Don't judge him harshly! Misha is a clear illustration of Peter's principle - "Every leader makes a career until he reaches a position where his complete incompetence becomes completely obvious."
Gorbachev just made a career out of ass-licking and empty speech. No, he certainly wasn't going to ruin the Union. He just wanted to "make history". But he was completely incapable of conceiving at least some kind of plan, and even more so, implementing it. Its restructuring reminds me of a monkey, bluntly pounding on the keyboard, in the hope that suddenly a banana will jump out ...
Naturally, such a stupid person did not understand what had happened.

[Fat]

Quote: Sahalinets

Don't judge him harshly! Misha is a clear illustration of Peter's principle - "Every leader makes a career until he reaches a position where his complete incompetence becomes completely obvious."
Gorbachev just made a career out of ass-licking and empty speech. No, he certainly wasn't going to ruin the Union. He just wanted to "make history". But he was completely incapable of conceiving at least some kind of plan, and even more so, implementing it. Its restructuring reminds me of a monkey, bluntly pounding on the keyboard, in the hope that suddenly a banana will jump out ...
Naturally, such a stupid person did not understand what had happened.

If I could put all 10 points. Clear, short, true.

[siberalt]

Hunchback himself made this coup, hoping to stay clean in the Crimean Foros. After death, his stuffed animal should be hung in the Yeltsin center. Unfortunately, the stuffed cat from Yeltsin will no longer work.

[Alekseev]

Quote: Observer2014

Liar, blaming people who tried

Liar is for sure! Everyone is to blame, but he is most of all!
In fairness, I must say that the people "who tried" were worthless ...
Historical reality has happened, and Mishka Mechny, EBN, etc., is just the tip of the iceberg, the visible part of a complex historical event.

[Fitter]

Hang on the aspen of Gorbachev, Chubais, Yakovlev.

[Vend]

Quote: Observer2014

Mikhail Gorbachev said that those who organized the August coup of 1991 of the year are guilty of the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Liar. Blaming people who tried to save the country with all their might. Top hypocrisy.

However, the state in Gorbachev begins to dodge. It makes itself felt living abroad.

[book]

Judah got his silver pieces for the collapse. And now he yells

[vitvit123]

WHEN THE SAME ... ??? !!!
I'll wait ....

[210ox]

Well, we wait ... Who will it help?

[vitvit123]

Quote: 210ox

Well, we wait ... Who will it help?

it makes no difference to whom it helps and how. Personally, I will receive moral satisfaction (for which and why I will not write)!
I am sure that I am not alone! That's all .

[Dogmatic]

What for. May it live forever.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: vitvit123

WHEN THE SAME ... ??? !!!
I'll wait ....

Soon.

[vitvit123]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: vitvit123

WHEN THE SAME ... ??? !!!
I'll wait ....

Soon.

I already doubt it somehow, although I understand that this is not real.

[antivirus]

do not drink. don’t smoke and the whole meaning of life - see see .. MSG?
maybe Russia's expansion is more important?

[vitvit123]

I never took a cigarette in my hands. The alcoholic organism does not tolerate. There are many important, interesting things and tasks for me. I can’t say in which place of them the expansion of Russia (honestly, smiled), but I agree that this is an important thing! unfortunately (mine) I have more difficult tasks. but I want him to feel bad.

[antivirus]

expansion = to the USSR. if possible

[Yu-81]

And for me it would be better if this pig lived and witnessed the restoration of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics with a real Communist Party and a real return to real socialism. That he certainly would not have survived.

[loki565]

The end of perestroika and the collapse of the Soviet Union are responsible for those who organized the coup in August 1991, and after the coup used the weakened position of the president of the USSR

[senima56]

To Mikhail Sergeyevich, by and large it is necessary to go to the monastery and atone for sins! Or, at worst, sit and keep quiet! And he is still yapping, blaming someone, advising someone!

[210ox]

With a dead donkey, he needs to remove the rope, and strangle himself like Jude ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: senima56

To Mikhail Sergeyevich, by and large it is necessary to go to the monastery and atone for sins!

Satanists are not admitted to the Orthodox monastery, they have their own monasteries.

[ssergey1978]

Yes, he’d better at the worst.

[stalki]

To Mikhail Sergeyevich, by and large it is necessary to go to the monastery and atone for sins! Or, at worst, sit and keep quiet! And he is still yapping, blaming someone, advising someone!

Yes, he wanted to spit at all. Do you think he has a conscience? Who would harm his lead?

[vitvit123]

[quote = senima56] Mikhuil Sergeyevich, by and large it is necessary to go to the monastery and atone for sins! Or, at worst, sit and keep quiet! And he is still yapping, blaming someone, advising someone! [/ Of course I was told that the Lord is merciful, but so much grief (human) to be repented ... !!!

[Old Michael]

go to the monastery

Holy place to fuck up?

[16112014nk]

How the earth still wears this labeled toad ???

[210ox]

Your mother! And this wax also hangs guilt on others!

[venaya]

Quote: 210ox

And this wax also hangs guilt on others!

He used the already well-known and already standard trick, often found among many such non-humans, examples of darkness ...

[To be or not to be]

210ox (Dmitry) Today, 19: 38
+11
Your mother! And this wax also hangs its guilt on others! .. ""
"" "Mikhail Poltoranin:" The State Emergency Committee is the greatest provocation of Gorbachev! "
So says one of the active participants in those events, Yeltsin's closest ally "" "
https://www.spb.kp.ru/daily/25738.3/2726169/
"" Having dispersed the party, the country was prepared for collapse. Belovezhskaya Pushcha is also the result of a special operation of the State Emergency Committee.

- How many people were aware of the provocation to eliminate the CPSU and the USSR?

- In addition to Gorbachev, Yeltsin, in my opinion, Vadim Medvedev, Alexander Nikolayevich Yakovlev. No wonder he, on the eve of the coup, on August 16, announced his withdrawal from the CPSU. Perhaps Ryzhkov, Burbulis knew. In America, more people knew.

- And the members of the Emergency Committee?

- I think no one. Gorbachev used them in the dark. In his usual manner, he said or hinted: men, we are losing power, our country. "" "

[depressant]

The devil in the flesh ...
Damn you!..
And who has weakened your position, huh? Didn't you lead the Union to collapse?!? You weak, stupid, insignificant! The blood of millions of victims of the collapse of a great country is on you. Traitor...
27 million victims in World War II, but - defended! And here ... No words!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: depressant

27 million victims in World War II, but - defended! And here ... No words!

And now 27 million outside the homeland.

[Strashila]

What to do about age, I remember, I don’t remember here.

[Major Yurik]

Quote: book

Judah got his silver pieces for the collapse. And now he yells

Yeah! A very balanced creation, there is nothing superfluous in the body - no shame, no conscience!

[SokolfromRussia]

And is it worth quoting at all? By publishing his statements, we only publicize him. What for? Ignore this creature and that’s it.

[210ox]

ABOUT! The cellar got out! Hold the addict!

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Give me a gun ... put Gorbachev in front of me, although you can put Yeltsin ... I won’t see much difference. These two nits are guilty of millions of unborn children. They probably don't feel like killers, but they are killers.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Give, I use it on business. What do you think my business will concern you? How tired of you ... tolerance is your everything.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Where did i stand Okay ... calmer and calmer ... it's me to myself. And now, Mr. dumbass, you don’t even know that in Krasnoyarsk we have no McDonalds at all. Now they want to do something there, but before that it was completely absent as a species. Accuse me of what I didn’t have?

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Well, yes ... I’ll come to you to use what you have proposed.

[Andrey VOV]

so you are a miracle incomprehensible today registered .. from here ..

[210ox]

Comrades .. Do not feed the worthless troll. These are his silver coins.

[Kondratko]

This is a bot, it doesn’t smell like a troll ...

[Ross xnumx]

Deceitful cynic. All the time he led the country at the behest of the West and according to Raikin's instigations to collapse. Yes you, - the mug is spotted, only for the delivery of the INF it would be necessary to strangle. We remember how you were "arrested" in Foros ... Gave power to a gang led by an alcoholic and now you are looking for forgiveness?
There will never be forgiveness to you. Die, damned by the Russian people. Nobody will regret you.

[tihonmarine]

The end of perestroika and the collapse of the Soviet Union are responsible for those who organized the coup in August 1991, and after the coup used the weakened position of the president of the USSR

It is Gorbachev and his entourage who were put in charge by the World Elite. During his reign, anti-communist propaganda, propaganda of the impossibility of the Russian man, flowed like a river throughout the country, the working man was reduced to a simple "cattle". And what a right to make a statement this non-human and traitor. Or have you already squandered "33 silver coins" and want to earn new ones?

[Retvizan 8]

... "believes that Russia will never return to a totalitarian system" ...
How disgusting to me are the people who, having lived "life in chocolate" in the USSR, now act as denunciators of the "totalitarian" regime !!!
Aren't you "Toad" half of your life tore your ass, campaigning for the principles of socialism? And he succeeded quite well.
And now he changed his shoes in the air and there, throwing stones at the long-dead Union!
Yes, pooh on you, traitor!

[svp67]

Quote: bio robot

young I was then in 1983

And since then the mind has not gained ...

Quote: bio robot

then bam and no Soviets. five years have passed.

They shot down in 1983, the Union collapsed in 1991, it is EIGHT years ... But, not knowledge, not mind, it wasn’t added to count ...

Quote: bio robot

the last days are coming

I am reading this commentary and once again I understand the meaning of the Ukrainian proverb: "the dumb dummy is richer" ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Retvizan 8

Aren't you "Toad" half of your life tore your ass, campaigning for the principles of socialism?

Wanderers, Pharisees and traitors. There is nothing human, only satanic.

[samarin1969]

Strange statements by the eternal Gorbachev. Was the pinnacle of the communist system. Now "reborn", condemns "totalitarianism". So perhaps we can agree that our grandfathers prevented Hitler from becoming an anti-fascist when he was 45m.

[Karabin]

Quote: samarin1969

So perhaps you can agree that Hitler at 45m, our grandfathers were prevented from becoming anti-fascist.

Nothing is impossible. Masha Kalinka Zakharova presented in her Facebooke http://apafnutiy.livejournal.com/126347.html theses on the theme that Stalin is worse than Hitler, thus relaying the well-known ideological thesis of Bandera, which was once captured on a famous poster in Zaporozhye.
Then this same Masha will angrily condemn the demolition of monuments to Soviet soldiers on behalf of the Foreign Ministry.

[faterdom]

What should we tell? I hope that soon she will appear where they will listen to him and make the right decision ...
The people have already appreciated, and it is unlikely that anyone will change, only for the worse.
But those who are now in power let them think, so as not to lose money later. And for pension reform, too. And for Shies.
After all, they, the current ones, see something wrong from there. And then there will be "I was deceived ..."

[DPN]

It’s not a good person, as Moses led the people there, don’t know where, here it is, the power of power to stay at all costs, ruined the country and even did not send to the monastery as in the old days. How many people were killed in peacetime, the best German is a pensioner of Russian significance.

[Victoria-V]

If you don’t know the reason why Moses drove the people through the desert for 40 years, then you shouldn’t make your own conclusions and deceive the members of the forum on this basis.

[Fat]

Quote: Victoria-In

If you don’t know the reason why Moses drove the people through the desert for 40 years, then you shouldn’t make your own conclusions and deceive the members of the forum on this basis.

Well, why did Moses break the tablets of God data? Ambition? He is the savior of the nation.

[Lesorub]

Gorbachev told who is really to blame for the collapse of the USSR

Betrayed the Country - crippled the People - hid with his "master" - a non-human!

[Prisoner]

T-vari tagged! He has power that no one on planet Earth had, but he leaked everything! !!! Nit!!!

[Fat]

Quote: Captive

T-vari tagged! He has power that no one on planet Earth had, but he leaked everything! !!! Nit!!!

Secretary General of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. CPSU. The main communist power. Summary: Do not trust the Communists. Of all the cheated, they are the most advanced cheated

[Nyrobsky]

Whatever this cowardly pretzel speaks in his defense, in the history of the state and in the memory of the people, he will remain one of the most despised personalities for centuries.

[Radical]

Quote: GKS 2111

What is there to talk about ... Damn it, Judas.

He also has the Russian Federation - awards, you google, and who awarded, there is also .... .

[edelweiss968]

Quote: tihonmarine

And now 27 million outside the homeland.

and another 20 did not fit into the market

[Paranoid50]

he admits that during the perestroika there were mistakes and mistakes, but he does not regret what happened

Duc, clear-red - he was sorry for him in the lobby ... It seems to him that the same Fritz will pay extra after death.

[monomahos]

The first president !!! Great strange USSR, lives in Germany! And this udot, someone else reads and takes seriously ????? !!!
His place on the hangar, 25 years ago!

[DPN]

The opinion of the people, the authorities are not interested, so he is calmly treated in the city of Moscow heroes.

[Gennady Fomkin]

This figure should have been drowned with shit as a child in a pelvis.

[4ekist]

It is disgusting, however. Without homeland and honor. There are no words.

[Andrey VOV]

It boils, boils a cauldron and the hellish frying pans of this Judah are waiting .... how the earth still wears it ...

[Barmaleyka]

I'm afraid they won’t let him go there, they’re afraid that he and hell will ruin

[Fat]

Such a paradise and destroy. A ghost wanders through Europe .. A ghost of collapse ...

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Thick

Such a paradise and destroy.

I immediately recall the bearded joke from the 80s about the restructuring in hell.

[bondrostov]

And what kind of anecdote do I not remember?

[Paranoid50]

Quote: bondrostov

I don’t remember something?

Yes, the point is that after death they decided where to take him - Satan was the first to take him ...
and very sorry.

[Incvizitor]

I would write a lot about this creation, but again they will give a ban.

[Incvizitor]

Lives are written, go learn from your Soros.
Pick up by ad ...

[Barmaleyka]

when will this die finally

[The leader of the Redskins]

Interesting. I found out at neighboring resources that a trial was held in The Hague today, after which our country begins to look very unflattering ... Why does the editorial board ignore this fact, but throw in the revelation of the scammed M. S. Gorbachev?

[Barmaleyka]

and what is there in the hague?

[The leader of the Redskins]

In a nutshell, 15 judges in favor, 3 against in the confrontation between Ukraine and Russia. As is clear from the message, not in our favor! So I'm waiting for what Zakharova will say now and how the Skobeevs, Popov and Solovyov will sing ...

[Andrey VOV]

Yes, put a handful on this Hague .. no one? And what are they called?

[Barmaleyka]

for what and against what ?!

[The leader of the Redskins]

Dear sir, can you google it yourself in order to avoid a "damaged phone"?

[Barmaleyka]

you gave out the type of news, so you either give it completely or I'm sorry but sit quietly

[Incvizitor]

After the events with the trial of Milosevic, the Hague court

[wooja]

Naturally, the HMS - lying ..., the putsch of the 91st was a chance ... and now it naturally bites your elbows ..., fooling you ..., that’s what blames the former associates or accomplices, a rotten person ...

[Azis]

It does not fall within the scope of Law 12-FZ; it only applies to RF-shnyh. It is necessary to somehow initiate the court. Alas, not under the current government ....

Pension, a summer residence, a car and security remained until the end of his life, but the document did not say a word about guarantees of immunity to Gorbachev himself and his family .... In 1994, Gorbachev was set a pension of 40 minimum salaries.

[Atenon]

The day when this spotty dries up, I think it will become one of the main holidays in Russia, for sure I have.

[1536]

The Soviet Union was ruined by the following factors:
- discrediting the party and Soviet governing bodies in the Union republics, ideological sabotage to denigrate the Soviet system, deployed in the media, imposed on society debates about the role of the CPSU in government;
- strengthening of nationalist sentiments in the center and in the republics, skillfully fueled through the governing bodies of Soviet power by appointing so-called "national cadres" to leading posts, often unable to exercise leadership;
- non-payment of salaries due to non-payments in the agricultural industry, delays in the payment of pensions and social benefits;
- lack of products in stores, artificially created their shortage in the presence of products in warehouses and factories for their production;
- created shortage of cigarettes and alcoholic beverages, primarily vodka, a total shortage of industrial goods, cars, affordable housing;
- unprecedented rampant crime with which the state practically did not fight on a full scale;
And who organized all this? By itself, or by the will of one fool, did this happen at the end of 1980's - the beginning of 1990's? And what does the GKChP have to do with it - a limp attempt to save at least something, moreover, clumsily directed? And wasn’t it the conscious, planned actions of a certain layer of people who felt that it was possible to grab and grab your beloved during the period of confusion and counter-revolution that was created by several generations of Soviet people?
Unfortunately, the German magazine and the German public will never know about this.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: 1536

The Soviet Union was ruined by the following factors:

Yeah, but also an insufficient number of folk song and dance ensembles. If you really believe in this nonsense, I feel sorry for you.

[Coconut]

I hate labeled ... all my dreams were spent on consumption

[Saboteur Holuy]

The army and the KGB had to take everything into their own hands, Gorbachev and Yeltsin had to be shot, martial law was introduced in the country!

[Mountain shooter]

The toad that destroyed my country! You never know what he WANTED! He's just a fool who happened to be on the "bridge" with a wild desire to "steer" ... and complete inability to do it!

[Astra55]

How can you accidentally end up on that bridge? By chance, no one will be appointed chairman of the collective farm, because the comrades from above, before approving the new chairman, will check him up to the seventh knee and look in his pants - ".. what have you got there?"
The General Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee cannot be a fool! Like carried out a reform and stupidly destroyed the USSR!
They voted for him, promoted, trusted, checked.
But he turns out to be what She thought up ... Union fill up.
No, here someone competently worked at the final stage, promised him a place in History as a bright elf.
But where was the Politburo looking at this time ?! And the Party’s combat detachment with him. This is a big question.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Astra55

And how can you happen to be on that bridge

Alas, maybe. Since he, like a puppet, arranged EVERYTHING ... He could not lead his game. A person who is not able to get rid of emphasis and correctly emphasize words cannot be smart. Even Stalin, speaking, could speak without an accent. The political bureau at that moment gathered the old deep ... Gerantocracy is ...

[Astra55]

Good. The comrades responsible for half the world have not seen where Gorbachev’s policy leads? They didn’t need half the world, but needed a cheeseburger and the ability to freely watch c / f Rambo? According to all the laws of development, they really did not need half the World, they should need the whole World.
What turns out then? I honestly don’t understand. What everyone bought or what? Not a single person was found in the Kremlin who saw beyond his nose? Or it should be so. Otherwise it was impossible and could only be worse? And we just live inside this centenary shake-up and cannot see the whole picture.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Astra55

And we just live inside this centenary shake-up and cannot see the whole picture.

They were mostly over 70. They already saw NOTHING. This young and energetic combiner, without a king in his head, suited everyone ...

[Karabin]

Why is everyone so outraged? Rare unanimity. Save the swear words, we still have to perpetuate the memory of the hero (the Judas will accumulate in the end). Gorbi-center is unlikely to be beaten off, but the streets, squares, libraries, airports, universities, icebreakers will be named after the hero.

[Evgeniy1975]

“After the 1953rd, nationalists and bribe-taking careerists came to power in the USSR. Covered from the Kremlin. When the time comes, they will drop their masks, throw away party cards and will openly rule their counties as feudal lords and serfs ... ”
Mao Zedong, "New China", Beijing, 1964, N 12

[Andrey VOV]

Kastryugolovy, tighten up the grammar, and then only a day ago appeared on the site and you start to breed flood here

[pafegosoff]

One foot in the grave: "But it's not my fault ...".
Why do you need this excuse?
Everything was distributed.
And the pawn - Gorbachev made the necessary move to the 8th line, became Ferzem and - passed the game ...

[AAK]

Considering the almost unanimous opinion about this bastard, that in VO, in the people (so you die is still the softest), here he sits in the Bundesland that is kind to his heart and even croaks from time to time, he’ll just settle in Russia ... t ( very afraid, in short), because he knows that even the guards on Rublevka will not help, they will crash ....

[iouris]

What is needed is judgment, not "your word against mine."

[Radical]

Gorbachev told who is really to blame for the collapse of the USSR

Storyteller. It is curious who prompted and embodied the proposal for the introduction of the post - the President of the USSR. The Soviet state was always headed by the First, or Secretary General of the CPSU / CPSU, the decision to remove it was made by the collegial body - the Politburo. As is the case with Khrushchev. This was not a legal norm, but an internal party mechanism, and it could not be evaluated by the international community as a coup d'etat. The one who proposed / advised to introduce the post of president of the USSR and was an agent of the West, since the removal from power of the president of the country, and not the leader of the leading party, from a legal point of view for the world community looked like a coup. Those who planned it (by the way, not stupid people) completed the task - the world took the events of August 1991 as they wanted. It remains to regret that the Chairman of the KGB of the USSR General of the Army Vladimir Alexandrovich Kryuchkov turned out to be a coward, he did not take measures to restore constitutional order in the country, although he had all the rights, forces, and means for this that were on alert, but and did not receive orders and orders!

[cosmonaut]

Yeah, I just walked by.

bastard, judah

[rocket757]

Vile Temka .... everything is already said, negotiated ...
There will be no court of history, but a fair sentence too! Well, here it is.
DOT! It's time to move on.

[rocket757]

Those who are only looking for goods can go through the woods.
PARTNERSHIP has been, is and will always be.

[Evgeniy1975]

And one more thing about this.
How did it happen that after the collapse of the USSR, many Soviet people suddenly became thieving, immoral and evil? If everywhere before this morality, truthfulness, culture were cultivated - I’m talking about cartoons, films, books... I remember how our adults showed us all sorts of different foreign action films and all sorts of fluff.
How they admired the Western way of life!
Where is the moral education that was instilled in them by the state?
It turns out, as they say, in fact, many Soviet people, somewhere deep inside, wanted this Western riffraff! Which came to the surface! Here comes the collapse of the USSR
It turns out that material things are higher for Soviet people than moral things? So we deserve to collapse!!!

[rocket757]

We were tempted for a long time, disappointed for a long time!
Rust can gradually eat up anything.

[bondrostov]

There were many shortcomings in the union, who can argue with that. And reforms and the development of light industry were needed. It’s just that he did the same thing that when you had a little burglary of your house, you simply set it on fire in the place of repair! And as we see now, we have lost orders of magnitude more than we have gained. Unfortunately, this reminds me of how they bought islands from the Obaregens for colored glass....

[faterdom]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Interesting. I found out at neighboring resources that a trial was held in The Hague today, after which our country begins to look very unflattering ... Why does the editorial board ignore this fact, but throw in the revelation of the scammed M. S. Gorbachev?

So what did you find out? That that court itself authorized itself to judge Russia? Let the Martians from Wales judge. They are also worried, just like us.

[Victoria-V]

The court could impose huge reparations on Russia. In order not to pay, you must leave the UN. And of course from the UN Security Council. Shall we go out? Just seriously...

[Andrey VOV]

You first figure out what the word reparation means, and then write

[Victoria-V]

Quote: “The International Court of Justice in The Hague recognized its jurisdiction in the case of Ukraine against Russia regarding the violation by the Russian Federation of international conventions on the suppression of the financing of terrorism and on the elimination of all forms of racial discrimination.” Now read the materials of the claim and find out what the word “reparation” means. And one more thing: Peskov clarified that Russia can take part in the post-war restoration of the Ukrainian region, but this requires certain conditions. It depends on what happens, what the settlement will be...

[Andrey VOV]

The wording itself is not confusing? But I won’t say anything at all about the politicization of the Hague Tribunal... war was not officially declared either by Russia or by Ukraine. Who has the right to demand compensation for damage is the territory of the LPR and DPR from the Ukrainian government... so this Hague floor is much further away... and everyone who supports it

[Victoria-V]

We can all talk. All UN members, including Russia, support The Hague by paying the court's expenses. This is what I mean, but I don’t accept your demagoguery. You better write to Lavrov to stop giving money to the salaries of politicized judges.

[Andrey VOV]

Do you want to say that the decisions of the Hague court are fair and you support them? Do you really think that Russia is to blame for the massacre in south-eastern Ukraine?

[Victoria-V]

You are either an agent of the State Department or a provocateur. Where is this written in my comments? It's just that a small portion of my taxes goes to pay these judges. I do not like it. Keep talking nonsense. Please do not write, there will be no answer.

[Andrey VOV]

You yourself are a provocateur and an agent, I will answer one thing, I brought it to this tribunal with the device

[Reklastik]

He wants to DIE)))

[Kondratko]

... white and fluffy.

[bondxnumx]

Only the weak-minded don’t understand that the collapse of Gorby began, and Yeltsin wanted power that continued the collapse and plunder!

[Victoria-V]

Many who are now throwing mud at Gorbachev and Yeltsin were silent then. 5-10 years will pass and they will throw mud at Putin. It was the same with Stalin.

[ZVS]

This asshole is going from bad to worse. You screwed up everything that could be screwed up, and now the arthropod creature is making excuses?

[Comrade Kim]

Quote: frog

Who awarded him?

Good question.
Nobody canceled the continuity.
Everyone is thinking about the time when they will retire “honorably”.
Therefore, Yeltsin did not allow the trial of the patented traitor Gorbachev.
But this is a fixable matter.
We publish the initiative for a fair trial of the traitor on the website:
https://www.roi.ru/
it works:
https://www.roi.ru/page/how-it-works/
Let's vote for her.

[Van 16]

Sorry. But I don’t have censorship words for Gorbachev. From the word. At all.

[alex-sherbakov48]

The collapse of the USSR was carried out not by the president, but by the spies Gorbachev and Yakovlev; Yeltsin, Kravchuk and Shushkevich came to help them, who, having come to power, also wanted to be rich.

[sa_421]

Mikhail Sergeevich is not entirely right. Of course, Marx was primarily to blame for the collapse of the USSR. It was he who came up with an unviable economic concept. Of course, you can think of a lot of culprits. These are the separatist authorities in the republics, and low oil prices, and the completely idiotic monetary policy practiced by the Soviet government since the early sixties, and the exhausting arms race, and the population demanding democratic reforms, and many, many others. But these are all secondary culprits. The first on this list will always be, of course, Marx.

[dauria]

Of course, Marx was primarily to blame for the collapse of the USSR. It was he who came up with an unviable economic concept.

They should venerate the “Marxu”, or something. There are plenty of textbooks left. Especially “The Military Program of the Proletarian Revolution” and “On the Slogan of the United States of Europe” by V.I. Lenin. It was we who drew them together - Engels, Marx, Lenin... In fact, Lenin renounced the teachings of Marx, did not want to wait for socialism to “mature” from within in all capitalist countries at the same time. It is in these works that they say “Marxism is not a dogma, but a guide to action.” Like, we can break at the weakest link. And Marx didn’t even stutter about Russia, he would have laughed. He was a scientist, revealed the mechanics of capitalism, its critical shortcomings. By the way, antimonopoly laws in developed countries are not just a breeze. And the beginnings of socialism are visible even now - the same shares that employees of enterprises have. Just the same “public”, and yet “property” (can be sold, bought, donated) to the means of production. Not here, of course.

[kriwo.alek]

Nothing surprising. More than once, drivers betrayed Rus' with their hands. As a result, Rus' lost its sovereignty and fell into the IGO. The Tatar-Mongols, when the entire east invaded Rus', the Poles, after Ivan the Terrible, the revolution after the abdication of the Tsar and finally the betrayal of Mishka the Marked - the last General Secretary and President of the USSR. For their betrayal, they will burn forever in HELL.
But like a Phoenix, Rus' was reborn from the ashes and no matter how hard the enemies tried, nothing would work out for them. Rus' and its people are under the protection of the MOTHER OF GOD, and therefore of GOD himself.

[Lexa-149]

This traitor stupidly traded half the country for a Nobel Prize, and the drunk who replaced him drank the rest.

[IgorIP]

Rot in hell Hunchback!

[Aleks2000]

Again? I told you about it just a month ago! And why does the Kremlin pay him half a pension?

[Private89]

Gorbachev is a complete loser, what else can I add.

[nerovnayadoroga]

Insanity grew stronger, we lived in this era and we don’t need to be told who and how, and why, and why! Someone just wanted money and power, but greed is not a sign of intelligence!?

[Million]

We still won’t know the truth soon. While these scoundrels are in power

[Kondratko]

... Even one article title is enough for me, for which I have no desire to read, in order to answer:
- Gorbachev, you are a ghoul, a traitor and an enemy, such as you need to be judged and imprisoned, preferably on a stricter, until the end of your worthless life. All your words are an attempt to whitewash yourself forgotten, unhappy and unloved. In your place, people with a conscience would have long ago put a bullet in their head, but you are a pathetic coward and a corrupt scoundrel, and therefore you do not live in your homeland, which you no longer have, but in the camp of the enemy ... Die already, do not gurgle with hydrogen sulfide gases ...

[alexey alexeyev_2]

When will you die..?

[Jerk]

Again?
Something like this has already happened

[Hikaro]

Of course, emotions overwhelm me, seeing this snickering!!! But for a minute, who moved the Mineral Secretary, beautifully removing all his competitors! Romanova, Masherova, Kulakova!!??? And here you can see the only face of Andropov, not stained by the mud of liberalism!!! And who, sorry, was the very first to take the floor and propose the candidacy of the marked one at a meeting of the Politburo??? Bah... so this is Elder Gromyko!!!! True, the sick man tried to bite his elbow a year later, realizing what he had done, but it was too late! And my very respected D. Ustinov also had high hopes for this idiot!!! Have they all fallen into insanity in the Politburo at once!!! Ustinov was then quietly sent away to the next world, Shcherbitsky’s plane was detained in the states. It feels like this was a clearly planned action by our overseas partners, as our guarantor likes to put it!

[Nycomed]

"Carthage must be destroyed"

[DEDPIHTO]

Only some Jews are happy with what is marked; it is much more comfortable and profitable to rob the Russian Federation than the USSR, where the state (people) owned everything and the authorities were actively interested in citizens with unearned income.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: DEPHIHTO

Only some Jews...

I translate: “grandfather” wants pluses... Hype is on the verge of a foul, “grandfather”

Rules, point (b), re-read at your leisure

[Nycomed]

Do you yourself believe in the nonsense that you are talking about?

[MelkorAintGood]

Gorbachev is really not to blame, the Soviet Union was not viable, its existence was illogical from its very “birth” due to the fact that the main idea - the idea of ​​communism - cannot be realized due to its utopianism and stupidity .. and therefore it is normal that he is everything - still fell apart. It couldn't be otherwise.

[Jager]

And how did he survive for 70 years if he was so stupid, utopian and not viable?

[MelkorAintGood]

Not all, but whole ones. A whole 70 years. Having all the material and intangible, ideological, human and political resources, the USSR was only honored to build state capitalism with an emphasis on social affairs (oh yes, great free medicine and apartments in turn for 30 years).
The declared social justice was not even close, but in general one can get to the point that there was no Soviet power in the USSR, this is a paradox, since the councils were pocket money and had no real power at all.

[Alex Justice]

It’s really not Gorbachev’s fault; the Soviet Union was not viable. The lace panties won.

[Valentin spagis]

Wow, what kind of senile guy got into power. And instead of engaging in government affairs, he began to build palaces for himself (Foros, Caucasus) and travel abroad.

[seagl]

The news was already a long time ago, it seems in the look. But the comments are just as funny

[Jager]

One is “God bless America”, the other is advertising pizza. Contraceptives. At least the devils cleaned up the first one, but the second one doesn’t even want to get dirty in hell.

[Igor Emelyanenko]

This “wild” one is listened to and quoted.

[tolmachiev51]

Liar !!! Even at the end of life one does not have the conscience to admit one’s worthlessness!!! Misha, you can’t fool the people, they know who to point the finger at.

[nikvic46]

On Thursday, my partner and I heard a strange phrase over Mayak. "The weather is clear in Crimea." His partner joked, “There are cloudless skies over Spain.” Having imprisoned himself in Crimea, MS hoped for the compassion of the people. Only everything went wrong.

[jaroff]

The head of state, who at the time of coming to power had so much power that no US president, or anyone at all, could have dreamed of it! Where, by his decree, vineyards were cut down and people were forced into lines for alcohol, but it was enough for him to announce a change in the Constitution, just not to introduce an unnecessary presidency, but to abolish the union republics, abolish, or rather lower the status to regional committees of communist parties in these already territorial districts with other administrative borders and all this could have been done in 1985 with a snap of the fingers and the national people would have swallowed it and voted unanimously. And he introduced himself a position and touched the vodka. And he destroyed the entire cash economy and put cash into cooperatives and crime. And the State Emergency Committee is just an investigation, 6 years late.

[viktor_ui]

this creature and I am ashamed of him, because he was the first and last president of the USSR. Nasty guy...yes, moderators - IT'S TRUE.

[Gennady Fomkin]

To begin with, a whole series of economic decisions pushed through personally by him and his protégé Yakovlev inevitably led to collapse. Well, the State Emergency Committee was sanctioned by him himself. It was he who later tried to portray himself as a victim of circumstances. And no one believed him then either. Completely compromised himself.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Get out, enemy!

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Alex Justice

It’s really not Gorbachev’s fault; the Soviet Union was not viable. The lace panties won.

Kosygin began transferring to self-financing in 65, so the preparations began long ago; Gorbachev is, one might say, the final chord. Well, sabotage began to be gradually turned on in ’76, immediately after Brezhnev’s clinical death. By the way (according to Kryuchkov), the decision to unify Germany was made back in 1979.

[Ros 56]

Well, yes, well, yes, he was in Foros, he was not at all involved. Old senile nonsense.

[Shuttle]

Creature. Vile, bald. Deceitful and unscrupulous.
Even VVP spoke more honestly about the collapse of a great country.

[Rostislav]

Finally, stop remembering and quoting this crap.

[HMR333]

balabol the leader of the USSR has weak powers)))) you can’t remember more complete powers! The putsch itself created a weird thing with the help of foreign friends! And he immediately ran away and received housing and lifelong grants abroad and something else that has nothing to do with it!

[Lord of the Sith]

Marked bastard. I don't even want to comment.

He should be hanged for his art and lies.

[NordUral]

You scum! And it doesn’t matter whether you wanted it or not.

[Jarserge]

At the beginning of 1919, it seemed to everyone that Germany was following in the footsteps of Russia. Furious Bolshevik revolutionaries were ready to take power. But there was a person who was by no means a totalitarian by conviction (social democrat) Gustav Noske, who firmly said: “Perhaps someone must be a bloody dog. I am not afraid of responsibility.”
(German: Meinetwegen! Einer muss der Bluthund werden, ich scheue die Verantwortung nicht)
gave the order to shoot and saved Germany from millions of victims and a stupid revolution.

In the late 80s in China, dissenters demanded perestroika along the Russian model. But there was Deng Xiaoping, who decided to firmly lead China along the course of development without excesses and move from communism to another type of society with the greatest benefits and the least losses. Dissenters from the progressive minority, the creative class, who gathered in Tiananmen Square were crushed by tanks, and China, unlike Russia, emerged from communism with almost no losses and with enormous advantages.

We lost 20 million people who died a painful, slow death as a result of choosing the most savage and terrible way out of communism. We have lost more industrial potential than in the Second World War. We have lost education and science. The Chinese now no longer want to study at Moscow State University, and we took the Unified State Exam not even from individual US states, but from shameful Egypt.

And this happened largely due to the lack of intelligence and will among the leaders. The mind is needed to clearly and coldly see the consequences of certain decisions. Will - to firmly and ruthlessly implement them. Two thousand dissidents shot in the late 90s would have saved the lives of twenty million, many Russian cities and villages, and, perhaps, the entire Russian people.

[Nitochkin]

Jarserge (Serge), don’t talk about China. Firstly, China did not go anywhere and the Chinese Communist Party remained at the helm. Second, don't turn the cause of Tiananmen Square on its head.

There is also something about Marked Judas, see 36:30.

[Tarasios]

Yes, there was no “perestroika and reforms”. There was continuous populism, pathos and self-promotion by Gorby, and continuous bending and flirting with the West. In general, with this Gorby ensured a comfortable life for himself. Just think, the union collapsed - what a trifle...

[NF68]

And the tagged one himself has nothing to do with it? And didn’t sell what the USSR achieved and conquered during the Second World War? It was better for the warhead to remain silent, the old cretin.

[kriten]

Judas is trying to get away with it.... He sold the entire Warsaw bloc for a Nobel prize to his beloved self. And he should have a bonus - he washed a piece and a stronger rope...

[NF68]

Quote: kriten

Judas is trying to get away with it.... He sold the entire Warsaw bloc for a Nobel prize to his beloved self. And he should have a bonus - he washed a piece and a stronger rope...

Then not only did he receive a Nobel Prize, but also an amount much more than the usual 30 pieces of silver dropped into his account in Western banks. Since then, living in the west, he has clearly not lived in poverty.

[opuonmed]

It seems he even received a medal and took it for the collapse of the USSR)

[rruvim]

A liar, a heretic all rolled into one. It was as if it was impossible to live according to the “old” way. But who made the deficit? Sugar, soap, cigarettes? August 1991 was the only attempt to get out of this vicious circle of sabotage and betrayal. Marshal Yazov still regrets that he did not show decisiveness then.

[Al_lexx]

Sorry colleagues. I didn't read all your posts.
No offense.
I probably won’t be original, but this is the same sent Cossack.
There is nothing more to add.

...
Just look at the face of this homunculus...
..no, well...
I remember well how he played on our women in terms of drinking.
And I remember very well how a man was killed at a Smolensk university for a string bag of vodka. I saw it personally.
...as well as the fact that the capital was permanently cut off from power, in terms of food, so that everything would shake up.
At that time I was able to communicate at fairly high levels.
Relatives, although not very high, sat in the Moscow Soviet.