Military Review

Gorbachev told who is to blame for the collapse of the USSR

285
The first and only president of the Soviet Union, Mikhail Gorbachev, stated that those who organized the August coup of 1991 of the year are guilty of the collapse of the Soviet Union. He spoke about this on the eve of the 30 anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall in an interview with the German magazine Der Spiegel.


Gorbachev told who is to blame for the collapse of the USSR


In his interview, Gorbachev stated that those who organized the coup in 1991 and then took advantage of the weakened position of the president of the Soviet Union were to blame for the end of perestroika and the collapse of the USSR. At the same time, he and the entire leadership of the country understood the probable risks of the ongoing reforms. He also admits that during the perestroika there were mistakes and mistakes, but he does not regret what happened and believes that Russia will never return to a totalitarian system.

The end of perestroika and the collapse of the Soviet Union are responsible for those who organized the coup in August 1991, and after the coup used the weakened position of the president of the USSR

- he stressed.

According to him, it was already impossible to live as we lived before and changes were required.

It was impossible to live as before. And an essential part of perestroika was the new foreign policy thinking, which encompasses both universal values ​​and nuclear disarmament, as well as freedom of choice

- explained the ex-president of the USSR.

Recall that the Soviet Union virtually ceased to exist 25 on December 1991 after Gorbachev addressed the Soviet people, in which he announced the completion of his activities as president of the USSR. This was preceded by the Bialowieza Agreement, signed by Yeltsin, Shushkevich and Kravchuk, which spoke about the termination of the existence of the USSR and proclaimed the creation of the Commonwealth of Independent States.
285 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must to register.

I have an account? Sign in

  1. Observer2014
    Observer2014 9 November 2019 19: 34 New
    +138
    Mikhail Gorbachev said that those who organized the August coup of 1991 of the year are guilty of the collapse of the Soviet Union.
    Liar. Blaming people who tried to save the country with all their might. Top hypocrisy.
    1. svp67
      svp67 9 November 2019 19: 40 New
      +72
      Quote: Observer2014
      Liar. Blaming people who tried to save the country with all their might. Top hypocrisy.

      Yes, he is lying. Since it is no longer a secret that he himself stood behind this "putsch". Trying to blame all the “black work” on others, and to remain “in white” himself, so as not to “lose face in the West”.
      But even if one takes his position and believes that someone organized the “putsch”, the question arises, what kind of leader are you, who had UNLIMITED POWER, that you allowed this, especially from such "mediocrity" ...
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 9 November 2019 19: 44 New
        +39
        svp67 (Sergei) hi
        Trying to blame all the “black work” on others, and to remain “in white” himself, so as not to “lose face in the West”.
        yes Yes .And then came the Yeltsins (in every republic of the former great country) We were witnesses to a grandiose spectacle. Bloody. And vile.
        1. Blacksmith 55
          Blacksmith 55 9 November 2019 20: 13 New
          +27
          My opinion is that Gorbachev finished the collapse of the party and the USSR, everything began, alas, much earlier. In the sixties and seventies.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 9 November 2019 20: 29 New
            +39
            Quote: smith 55
            My opinion is that Gorbachev finished the collapse of the party and the USSR, everything began, alas, much earlier. In the sixties and seventies.

            Khrushchev began the collapse .. I don’t know if they were foolish from foolishness, if they were a betrayal ..
            1. stalki
              stalki 9 November 2019 20: 59 New
              +28
              Khrushchev began the collapse .. I don’t know if they were foolish from foolishness, if they were a betrayal ..
              From envy. I agree, from March 5, 1953, the collapse began. Because Khrushchev cut down many of Stalin’s projects.
              1. Shurik70
                Shurik70 9 November 2019 22: 25 New
                +14
                Quote: Observer2014
                Blaming people who tried to save the country with all their might. Top hypocrisy.

                I doubt it.
                The putschists were inactive. Did not NOTHING, except for the alleged blockade of Gorbachev at his Yalta cottage.
                Shortly after the start of the putsch, a press conference was held.

                Real conspirators would first clean up, transplant everyone who was ruining the country. And only after that would be a press conference. At the press conference itself, they openly mumbled, pretending that they did not know what to answer, like schoolchildren of the lower grades, who were caught by the principal for painting mustaches on portraits.
                In general, having watched this press conference, I immediately realized that this was a production. The seasoned wolves of political intrigue cannot be mummies. After the putsch, one of those who gave the press conference committed suicide with three shots to the head (he requested to see too many barrels of jam). The rest, allegedly, spent a year and a half in prison, were released for health reasons, and lived for a long time, occupying not weak monetary posts.
                And one is still alive, the chairman of the Board of Directors of the corporation Rosobachemash, although he was already an old man in the 91st, and so he “undermined” his health in prison.

                The putsch was not an attempt to revive the USSR, but a control shot of the killers of the USSR
                1. anjey
                  anjey 10 November 2019 09: 06 New
                  +7
                  The coup of 1991 was a "Theatrical" transfer of power to EBNu, the directors were from behind a puddle.
                  Once again people visited noodles.
                  Still jarring from Gorbachev's speeches, which we were forced to take notes in VU, such as
                  ...... each family has separate housing in 2000
                  laughing
              2. The comment was deleted.
              3. nikvic46
                nikvic46 10 November 2019 06: 00 New
                +2
                Sergey. In 1953, after the death of Stalin, Malenkov came to power. And the National Assembly came in 2,5 years.
              4. bang
                bang 10 November 2019 13: 42 New
                +4
                Under Stalin, Khrushchev was a clown among party members. And when he came to power, he began to brainlessly eradicate everything connected with Stalin.
                By the way, Mao Zedong also considered Khrushchev a clown and did not respect the head of the USSR from the word at all. Hence the open tension in Sino-Soviet relations.
            2. Starover_Z
              Starover_Z 9 November 2019 21: 42 New
              +18
              Quote: Svarog
              Khrushchev began the collapse .. I don’t know if they were foolish from foolishness, if they were a betrayal ..

              It began with the protection of party bonzes! It was also written here that under Khrushchev, a ban was put to put it mildly, on top control from law enforcement and state security bodies! I personally think that this all started!
              1. The comment was deleted.
            3. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 9 November 2019 22: 06 New
              +6
              Not every cook can rule the state. This also applies to Nicholas II and Khrushchev and Gorbachev.
            4. Flatter
              Flatter 9 November 2019 22: 56 New
              +2
              Then why did the next
            5. Private89
              Private89 9 November 2019 23: 43 New
              +29
              1. After Stalin, the idea of ​​socialism was no longer developed, preserved and turned into a dogma, but the idea is very good!
              2. The consciousness of the party nomenclature began to degenerate from socialist to bourgeois, and ultimately everything turned into a 91 year old.
              3. The vigilance of the Soviet people was reassured by speeches that socialism had triumphed and the class struggle had ended. They forgot that even Stalin said that as we approach socialism, the class struggle will increase ..
              1. Fat
                Fat 10 November 2019 03: 13 New
                +1
                Private! There is no Stalin, there is no socialism. But the information war is on. In full swing, I note
            6. Voyager
              Voyager 10 November 2019 00: 05 New
              +1
              And I agree. And with the transfer of Crimea, all this shit is just beginning to gain momentum ..
              1. The comment was deleted.
            7. Fat
              Fat 10 November 2019 02: 40 New
              0
              No. Consciously. From a great love of power. Destroyed all the property of the Soviet system. Did a lot of good, yes. But discredited the idea
            8. Lelek
              Lelek 11 November 2019 00: 19 New
              +2
              Quote: Svarog
              Khrushchev began the collapse .. I don’t know if they were foolish from foolishness, if they were a betrayal ..

              hi
              I think the same way. Who was he in the retinue of Stalin? - a jester dancing hopaca at the host's parties. For which he harbored anger at him, which he poured into "condemning Stalinism," destroying everything that was created under the leadership of Stalin. And he began to do this with the destruction of the desks. apparatus and posing as a clown in the UN and in contacts with Western leaders. One introduction of corn in the northern regions of the USSR is worth what, and "international free aid" .... Yes, a lot of things still nakulesil. But the "hunchbacked" only successfully finished the job. This skunk, as they say: "where to think - like a fly, and where to chew and shit - like a hippo."
            9. Nikolai Korovin
              Nikolai Korovin 11 November 2019 13: 03 New
              +1
              On the role of personality in history. Khrushchev did not act on his own. He expressed the interests of the party nomenclature, which Stalin pushed into the background in the last years of his reign. Successfully developed cooperation ("small business" in today's terminology). With the death of Stalin, this process was stopped. Although Malenkov tried to take some measures in the same direction, Khrushchev and Co. quickly pushed him in. In the village, in essence, a second collectivization took place, although it was less rigid than the first. But, unlike the first, it was absolutely not caused by necessity and only caused strong discontent without any positive effect. More precisely, the effect was negative. And then virgin land, corn, unpromising villages in central Russia began ... In general, "I can’t express myself in my house." On the back of the truck was the inscription: "Not sure - don't overtake." Witters added - America. As a result, in 1963, if I remember correctly, I had to purchase bread in Canada. It was then that Nikita Sergeitch did not sit.
              No, he was not a traitor. Just the nonsense of a graduate of the VPSh with good intentions. Gorbachev was more literate. He, presumably, as a whole, nevertheless understood what he was doing, although not to the end.
          2. Scoun
            Scoun 9 November 2019 20: 30 New
            +19
            Quote: smith 55
            My opinion is that Gorbachev finished the collapse of the party and the USSR, everything began, alas, much earlier. In the sixties and seventies.

            And that's right, just look at when the cards were introduced, starting with Khrushchev. In 47 after the terrible war they were canceled and after almost 10 years they were again introduced.
            The following cards appeared when tagged. That is, the shoals of changing his system and to blame for his creation?
            Rotten he pasuda.
            1. Nikolai Korovin
              Nikolai Korovin 9 November 2019 21: 58 New
              +4
              I remember in 1985 on the Alazani River. Two come with two cans. "Let's boil, guys. We neither respect Gorbachev’s law." Well, they drank naturally. Fortunately, there were a lot of people - well, one liter per snout.
              This is the question of why Gabunias are now in Georgia. About 40 years ago it didn’t smell like that.
              No, Marshals Yazov and Akhromeev are to blame. 6 years after the start of felling. Combiner Misha, best friend of Vice President Yanayev.
              Swearing is not good. We need to find streamlined formulations in the style of "Gentlemen of Fortune": "This bad man will betray us at the first danger."
            2. Fat
              Fat 10 November 2019 02: 43 New
              0
              Dumbest it is. Worse than a nihilist idealist
          3. Nitochkin
            Nitochkin 10 November 2019 05: 59 New
            +3

            Precisely, the "elite" began to rot during this period, and Tagged was the quintessence of this rot, as they say, flesh from flesh, or rather pus from pus.
          4. REEKMAN
            REEKMAN 10 November 2019 20: 01 New
            +1
            It all started with the departure from the life of I.V. Stalin ...
        2. PalBor
          PalBor 9 November 2019 20: 29 New
          +13
          That's exactly what. The secretaries of the Central Committee of the republics decided to become bays, well, or masters of their uluses. And he, with friends like Shevardnadze and Yakovlev, only indulged. This is more than a crime: this is a mistake ...
          1. Oyo Sarkazmi
            Oyo Sarkazmi 9 November 2019 21: 53 New
            -9
            Quote: PalBor
            The secretaries of the Central Committee of the republics decided to become bays, well, or masters of their uluses.

            Well, I do not. All republics, except the Baltic states, were simply thrown away like unnecessary puppies. and three months in these Central Committee reigned complete confusion. They even hesitated to hold state property for six months. And then they started to get used to it.
            And Gorbachev is definitely to blame. "Fighting unearned income." With food production. After the well-fed Brezhnev era, he began to crush what kept the USSR afloat — personal farms. He removed some 5% from the food market - and commodity hunger began in the country. The moronic coupon began, and at the same time overstock. Warehouses were crammed under the ceiling, sugar, shoes, Yugoslav sheepskin coats. Everything was stored, decommissioned, and migrated to the houses of warehouses and commodity experts.
            My classmate, zavsklad, 4 years traded in concealed sugar, after the collapse of the USSR.
            However, I do not regret the collapse. It might have been strange to see thousandths of prices, but you could live if you were spinning around.
            1. Fat
              Fat 10 November 2019 02: 59 New
              +12
              Oh! Nice post. But I do not believe your ostentatious naivety. So LIVE. It is impossible. Well, we survived, I survived. Saved the children, nursing grandchildren. But he never elevated theft
              1. Fat
                Fat 10 November 2019 03: 08 New
                +7
                By the way, not labor income is Andropov’s slogan, not Gorbachev’s. Official prostitution with co-ops and com. At a price Michal launched, as did the criminal war of the 90s. Mikhail deserves negativity even more than Boris
                1. Sotskiy
                  Sotskiy 10 November 2019 07: 11 New
                  +6
                  Quote: Thick
                  Mikhail deserves negativity even more than Boris

                  These two female dogs deserve no negative as you write, but "towers" for crimes committed before the State and people of a once common country.
              2. Oyo Sarkazmi
                Oyo Sarkazmi 10 November 2019 15: 31 New
                0
                No one erected. They just lived inside it. Kinship posts. Even such a ridiculous Kazakh joke: the elder brother is the secretary of the district committee, the middle brother is the police chief, the younger brother is the thief in law. So as not to get a penny by. Cotton, potatoes, beets, tangerines ... These are not products, this is a process of degradation of political power, when engineers, accountant turners were sent to help the "unsinkable" thief-in-law drunken chair to do what the collective farm has equipment for.
                Andropov had a bzink on discipline. But “unearned income” and “waste” are traditionally Gorbachev’s, when the party’s nomenclature was considered to be the only workers, while the rest were lobotryas and parasites.
          2. Polymer
            Polymer 9 November 2019 22: 18 New
            +9
            A photo of Nazarbayev is not entirely appropriate here. He just did not crave collapse, since he had real prospects of getting into the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee, and there you look and ... in general, he counted on more than becoming president of Kazakhstan, albeit supposedly independent.
            Then - yes, he reconciled with the situation and began to build his career accordingly. But at that moment he was definitely against collapse.
            1. PalBor
              PalBor 9 November 2019 22: 48 New
              -1
              Fick knows him, by the way he was already a member of the Politburo ... And the president of the Kazakh SSR since April 1990. Even before the State Emergency Committee, almost a year earlier, so ...
              1. Polymer
                Polymer 9 November 2019 22: 58 New
                0
                Quote: PalBor
                By the way, he was already a member of the Politburo ...

                Yes there was. He was "exiled" to the Kazakh SSR after the events of December 1986. But he would rather return to Moscow.
                1. PalBor
                  PalBor 9 November 2019 23: 42 New
                  +10
                  Since I had relatives in both Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, I can imagine what began to slowly, but unstoppably happen with pressure on the Russians from the 89th year on. As the apartments were squeezed out, teachers were fired, especially Russian and literature, but also mathematics and physics and geography, heh ... And your Nazarbayev did nothing to protect the Russians.
                  Well, at least they didn’t kill both in Tajikistan and Uzbekistan ... And thanks for that.
                  1. Polymer
                    Polymer 9 November 2019 23: 54 New
                    +7
                    In vain minus. I do not defend Nazarbayev at all. Just for justice - he was not among the initiators of the collapse of a great country. Although then he took full advantage of the fruits of this crash.
                    As for your relatives, I don’t know anyone’s words, I myself have lived here and still live. I can not guarantee that one day I will not have to run, but so far there are no such plans.
                    1. PalBor
                      PalBor 10 November 2019 00: 34 New
                      +10
                      Emotions Just as I recall, how my sisters were forced from Issyk-Kul from their houses to blame sharply in the unknown and unsettled in the Omsk, Novosibirsk and Ryazan regions with small children ... How they could help, but you know, not that. They went to the places where there were teachers' bets in the villages, and they lived for the first 4-5 years in such barracks, uh. Sorry for the minus, freaked out, compensate.
                      1. Polymer
                        Polymer 10 November 2019 00: 42 New
                        +1
                        I see. hi
                      2. Scoun
                        Scoun 10 November 2019 09: 58 New
                        +2
                        Quote: PalBor
                        Just as I recall, how my sisters were forced from Issyk-Kul from their houses to blame sharply in the unknown and unsettled in Omsk,

                        Inspired.
                        In the 90s, two Bashkir families left the village in Osh oblast, one to Ufa, the other to Ulyanovsk, the Tatar family to Naberezhnye Chelny. After the Osh events, three Russian families left, then a pause until 96 years and three families left for Bishkek, two to Osh were all employees of the research institute, the next wave 98-2000 went to Omsk, Tomsk and Irkutsk, these are Russians, Balkars and Kyrgyz, employees Research institutes and teachers. All three waves were mainly economic, and teachers began to leave due to the fact that the local Natsiks began to promote the idea of ​​renaming the whole "Russian" even the word computer, into Kyrgyz. wassat
                        Just know and talk take off the ties of the research institute.
                        PS.
                        Natsik ideas quickly went to naught; all Kyrgyz who were fluent in Russian began to get jobs in all kinds of phillipmorisses, and now former "Natsiks" send their children to Russian classes and private Russian schools. I have a friend from Zernovets, I went for a walk in the Issyk-Kul mountains in the summer, they came in complete enthusiasm only the cow "cakes" in the mountains did not like. wassat
                        PS.
                        I forgot about Demyanenko who left for Krasnoyarsk.
                      3. PalBor
                        PalBor 10 November 2019 11: 13 New
                        +3
                        Yes, I agree, now the attitude is much better. In the 90s, my uncle moved from the Lake to a Russian village near Frunze. But now he is the king of three villages, especially the neighboring Kyrgyz, because the only normal welder is thousand for ten people. Kyrgyz do not pull smile
                2. Tank hard
                  Tank hard 10 November 2019 20: 45 New
                  0
                  Quote: PalBor
                  Since I had relatives in both Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, I can imagine what began to slowly, but unstoppably happen with pressure on the Russians from the 89th year on. As the apartments were squeezed out, teachers were fired, especially Russian and literature, but also mathematics and physics and geography, heh ... And your Nazarbayev did nothing to protect the Russians.

                  I confirm, was born in the Kyrgyz SSR, lived there until 2005 inclusive. The father lives in Kazakhstan, Taraz (Dzhambul), still. hi
        3. Fat
          Fat 10 November 2019 02: 47 New
          +1
          This is worse. Than a crime is a mistake. (WITH)
      2. The popuas
        The popuas 9 November 2019 21: 02 New
        +13
        Ahaha ... why WAS !? request we are still watching this performance winked ... bloody and vile ... am
        1. Misha Honest
          Misha Honest 9 November 2019 21: 32 New
          +5
          Quote: Popuas
          Ahaha ... why WAS !? we still watch this show ... bloody and vile ...

          Keyword: look. Not do, look and slam eyes ... How long?!?!
          1. AUL
            AUL 9 November 2019 22: 15 New
            +3
            Quote: Misha Honest
            Keyword: look. We don’t do it, but we look and slap our eyes ...

            Yes, because everyone is waiting for his uncle to come and do everything well. And to do something ourselves is troublesome, and it is fraught ...
            1. Misha Honest
              Misha Honest 9 November 2019 22: 27 New
              +4
              Quote: AUL
              fraught

              I agree. The example of Lev Rokhlin is still remembered by many recourse
        2. Oyo Sarkazmi
          Oyo Sarkazmi 9 November 2019 21: 57 New
          -1
          They didn’t beat you properly, and it’s not your laziness that you blame for the inability to manage your world, but some kind of regime. Dreaming of sacred democratic cookies from the hands of executioners. But alas, democracy will give you only whips.
        3. Fat
          Fat 10 November 2019 03: 31 New
          +1
          This is you, Popuas, look. Viewer. I live in this reality. I live poorly, but I do not survive. I live.
          1. The popuas
            The popuas 10 November 2019 08: 58 New
            +2
            I also live and I am tired of this performance from the first, first persons of the state and ending with the local, municipality, ..... we deal with the local slowly, they begin to work, creaking, but they work! In the area something has changed for the better! But with these two, we are definitely not on the way ...
      3. Pavel57
        Pavel57 9 November 2019 21: 51 New
        -1
        The West loves dvuhhodovki-Kerensky-Lenin, Gorbachev-Yeltsin.
        1. Misha Honest
          Misha Honest 9 November 2019 21: 57 New
          +14
          Quote: Pavel57
          The West loves dvuhhodovki-Kerensky-Lenin, Gorbachev-Yeltsin.

          Please do not compare the one who ruined and * torn the country (Kerensky) with the one who combined it from the threshing floor and sticks (Lenin).
          1. Pavel57
            Pavel57 9 November 2019 21: 58 New
            -4
            I’m about the approach of the West, not what happened in the end.
            1. Misha Honest
              Misha Honest 9 November 2019 22: 03 New
              +1
              Quote: Pavel57
              I’m about the approach of the West, not what happened in the end.

              Well - in a century, the Western approach worked for the good of our country. Perhaps the only time in its history. laughing
              1. Pavel57
                Pavel57 9 November 2019 22: 42 New
                -1
                There are misfires. Although success is not in Lenin / Trotsky.)))
                1. Misha Honest
                  Misha Honest 9 November 2019 22: 48 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Pavel57
                  There are misfires. Although success is not in Lenin / Trotsky.)))

                  Here, not so much the success of Lenin as the fatigue of the people and the stupidity of the bourgeois of Kerinsky worked.
                  1. Pavel57
                    Pavel57 10 November 2019 00: 22 New
                    0
                    Tops can not, bottoms do not want.))) ₽
              2. The popuas
                The popuas 10 November 2019 08: 59 New
                0
                Look at China, with it the west also pierced ... hi
                1. Misha Honest
                  Misha Honest 11 November 2019 21: 41 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Popuas
                  Look at China, with it the west also pierced ... hi

                  So I look. hi And I’m somehow very sad at heart from the realization that we could have been as strong a country if it weren’t for the body-theme of this article and some EBN ...
          2. your1970
            your1970 10 November 2019 00: 23 New
            0
            That’s never for Kerensky — but Lenin had nothing to do with the unification of the country ....
            1. your1970
              your1970 10 November 2019 14: 37 New
              +2
              Quote: your1970
              That’s never for Kerensky — but Lenin had nothing to do with the unification of the country ....

              gentlemen minusers - whom did Lenin join?
              or not with him fled Ukraine / Caucasus / Finland / Central Asia ???
              belay
              fool fool
              1. Tank hard
                Tank hard 10 November 2019 20: 52 New
                +1
                Quote: your1970
                gentlemen minusers - whom did Lenin join?
                or not with him fled Ukraine / Caucasus / Finland / Central Asia

                Putting a minus is easier than thinking with an open mind. request
              2. The comment was deleted.
                1. your1970
                  your1970 11 November 2019 23: 28 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Misha Honest
                  The country was already running up to the October Revolution - AT Kerensky. That’s what scattered — Lenin returned it. In addition to Finland and the Baltic states.
                  -The start of the run BEFORE-completed AFTER October ....

                  On November 21 (December 4) of 1917 at the Military Moldavian Congress, Sfatul Tsarii was formed, which on December 2 (15) of 1917 on December, adopted a declaration proclaiming the formation of the Moldavian Democratic Republic [22]:
                  On 12 (25) on January 1918 after the dispersal of the Constituent Assembly, the Transcaucasian Commissariat, having discussed the political situation, decided to convene the Transcaucasian Sejm from delegates from Transcaucasia to the All-Russian Constituent Assembly as the legislative body of Transcaucasia.
                  On November 17, elections were held in which 76 delegates were elected. Kurultay opened on November 26 in the Khan's Palace (Bakhchisarai). He took all the powers of the Muslim Executive Committee, proclaimed the creation of the Crimean People’s Republic, adopted its Constitution and state symbols, and then declared himself the Parliament of the Crimean People’s Republic. The government was led by Noman Celebijihan.
                  On November 15, the Bashkir central Shuro explicitly adopted a decree on the proclamation of the autonomy of Bashkurdistan, which was announced the next day by Farman No. 2 (Decree No. 2)
                  On 5-13 on December 1917, at the 2nd All-Kazakh Congress in Orenburg, Alash autonomy was proclaimed (Kaz. Alash-Orda) with its capital in Semipalatinsk.
                  In November 1917 in the territory of Dagestan and the mountain districts of the Terek region of the Central Committee of the Union of the United Highlanders of the Caucasus, the Mountain Republic was proclaimed, headed by A. Chermoev.
                  26 October 1917 year, General Kaledin declares martial law on the Don, the Troops government assumes the fullness of state power in the region.
                  1. Misha Honest
                    Misha Honest 12 November 2019 12: 43 New
                    0
                    Quote: your1970
                    -the run-up DO-started AFTER October ....

                    I do not argue. The citizen began and everyone began to more actively pull the blanket over themselves.
                    However, the whole red discord ended with them, and their laurels ...

                    PS. And by the way, white - quite actively, each of them bit off a piece of land, local princes knocked themselves down and dreamed (probably) of the imperial crown on their own head.
          3. Fat
            Fat 10 November 2019 03: 35 New
            -2
            Fair? The country existed without Ilyich and Kerensky for several thousand years.
            1. Misha Honest
              Misha Honest 11 November 2019 22: 01 New
              0
              Quote: Thick
              Fair? The country existed without Ilyich and Kerensky for several thousand years.

              Existed. To Nicholas 2. And with him she took and began to disintegrate. request As well as under Gorbachev.
          4. Nikolai Korovin
            Nikolai Korovin 11 November 2019 13: 18 New
            0
            The West initially did not make any bet on Kerensky. See the composition of the 1st Provisional Government. It’s entirely the Octobrists and the Cadets. Well, the “Trudovik” Kerensky is more for laughs. And then the Socialist-Revolutionaries attacked, and Kerensky himself spread to the Socialist-Revolutionaries. In fact, there was a conspiracy of ambassadors - there was no conspiracy of ambassadors - they didn’t understand the hell with what was going on. The collapse went from order No. 1 of the now unknown Commissioner Sokolov. Although yes, Kerensky already had a hand in it. But still, he was still a "gray horse". The head of government is Prince Lvov. "Order number 1" they wanted to play back, but it did not work out.
            1. Misha Honest
              Misha Honest 11 November 2019 22: 05 New
              0
              Quote: Nikolai Korovin
              The West initially did not make any bet on Kerensky.

              This is your guess. Just as I assume the opposite.
      4. Skarpzd
        Skarpzd 10 November 2019 05: 29 New
        +5
        Witnesses ??? No, we were observers. if not accomplices.
    2. bald
      bald 9 November 2019 20: 43 New
      +3
      this is generally a thought. that he is indisputable
    3. Fat
      Fat 10 November 2019 02: 23 New
      0
      I think all the time. What this driver saw with his hand as a target. About ... The country for what. Well, not for the twill pants ... Accuses this democrat. Whom? He won’t say, he got lost in demagoguery
  2. 1976AG
    1976AG 9 November 2019 19: 46 New
    +16
    Would he admit to betraying a whole nation? Scoundrel !!
    1. knn54
      knn54 9 November 2019 19: 51 New
      +12
      "But a traitor is such a peculiar disgusting creature ... I think that even a typhoid louse would be offended by a comparison with a traitor."
      Maksim Gorky.
      PS To organize fundraising for the casting of the Peter's Order of Judah No. 2-earned.
      1. 1976AG
        1976AG 9 November 2019 19: 52 New
        +12
        Just the audacity is enough to blame everything else on others! Silence would be better at all! Or let him out to the square to people, let him listen to what they think about him !!!
        1. GKS 2111
          GKS 2111 9 November 2019 19: 55 New
          +32

          What is there to talk about ... Damn it, Judas.
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 9 November 2019 20: 04 New
            +14
            That's how she looks (!) ... Judah's medal ...
          2. Karabin
            Karabin 9 November 2019 21: 01 New
            +18
            Quote: GKS 2111
            What to talk about here ..


            Order of the Holy Apostle Andrew the First-Called. Awarded on March 2, 2011 - for his great personal contribution to strengthening peace and friendship between peoples and many years of fruitful social activity

            What is HERE to talk about?
            1. frog
              frog 9 November 2019 21: 32 New
              +2
              Who awarded him?
              1. Karabin
                Karabin 9 November 2019 21: 36 New
                +12
                Quote: frog
                Who awarded him?

                Worthless. Nepriemyshem then premiered.
                1. frog
                  frog 9 November 2019 21: 43 New
                  +5
                  Who is the Order of Honor?
                  1. syndicalist
                    syndicalist 9 November 2019 21: 55 New
                    +4
                    Yeltsin in 2001.
              2. frog
                frog 9 November 2019 21: 53 New
                +2
                Ha, now the minuses are being sculpted for questions)))))
      2. 1976AG
        1976AG 9 November 2019 20: 03 New
        +9
        Quote: knn54
        "But a traitor is such a peculiar disgusting creature ... I think that even a typhoid louse would be offended by a comparison with a traitor."
        Maksim Gorky.
        PS To organize fundraising for the casting of the Peter's Order of Judah No. 2-earned.

        and in Moscow on the frontal place to hand.
        1. Hort
          Hort 11 November 2019 12: 31 New
          +1
          on IT still spend cast iron ?! Nope, only a loop
      3. 4ekist
        4ekist 9 November 2019 20: 31 New
        +4
        Not worth it. I won’t give a penny.
      4. Fat
        Fat 10 November 2019 03: 42 New
        -5
        Gorky on Capri contained a Bolshevik school of militants. Need to think for your own money? Pharisees and traitor this frame. And a terrorist accomplice. Let's refer to bin Laden
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 9 November 2019 19: 59 New
      +5
      Quote: 1976AG
      Would he admit to betraying a whole nation? Scoundrel !!

      Satan.
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 9 November 2019 20: 10 New
        +12
        "Reformer", a traitor and epoch-making insignificance, in one bottle.
      2. Terenin
        Terenin 9 November 2019 23: 10 New
        +5
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: 1976AG
        Would he admit to betraying a whole nation? Scoundrel !!

        Satan.

        Yeah winked , really check the expression - why is Gorbachev alive? Because the devils are afraid that he will destroy Hell am
    3. Misha Honest
      Misha Honest 9 November 2019 21: 39 New
      +3
      Quote: 1976AG
      in betrayal of an entire nation

      By the way, the people also betrayed their country! How many people came out in 1993 to defend the country and the White House? Here they definitely need to erect monuments!
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 9 November 2019 21: 43 New
        +5
        Quote: Misha Honest
        How many people came out in 1993 to defend the country and the White House?

        Khasbulatova defend with Rutskoi? Misha, you are probably really honest ... but at that time healthy people didn’t have such a desire.

        I remember both well, but Rutsky - even knew a little ... what for such "rulers" negative
        1. Misha Honest
          Misha Honest 9 November 2019 21: 48 New
          +3
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          I remember both well, but Rutsky - even knew a little ... what for such "rulers"

          Better a tit (under-sparrow) in the hands than a crane (EBN) in the sky!
          Do you want to say that under Rutsky it would be worse than under EBNe? no
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 9 November 2019 22: 13 New
            +3
            Quote: Misha Honest
            Do you want to say that under Rutsky it would be worse than under EBNe?

            Both that and that were bad. EBN then unwound simply. And now it’s clear - why. But then it was - incomprehensible.

            I speak for myself, naturally, for others I have no right. But the fact that the database in the 93rd people didn’t really want to protect shows that I was not the only one who thought so.

            As a result, we have what we have. I am not happy if honestly.
            1. Misha Honest
              Misha Honest 9 November 2019 22: 18 New
              +1
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Both that and that were bad.

              The principle of lesser evil ... request
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              But the fact that the people didn’t really want to protect the database shows that I was not the only one who thought so.

              It’s also difficult to protect the people when they shoot at you from tanks ... We would survive by ourselves.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 9 November 2019 22: 41 New
                +3
                Quote: Misha Honest
                The principle of lesser evil ...

                I repeat - for me personally EBN then seemed less (or at least - more understandable and predictable) evil than the same Ruslan Imranych request

                Campaign, not for me alone.

                Quote: Misha Honest
                It’s also difficult to defend people when tanks shoot at you ...

                When from tanks - it’s already too late to rush about. And here before - the guys created a clearly negative attitude towards themselves. Well, either just indifference.

                In politics, this is death.

                Incidentally, I did not say that Rutskoi and Khazbulatov did not protect the people when, in them, the one from the tanks was a little different. Distort, buddy? wink
                1. Misha Honest
                  Misha Honest 9 November 2019 22: 45 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  than the same Ruslan Imranych

                  Perhaps, but now we don’t know ...
                2. The comment was deleted.
            2. Tank hard
              Tank hard 10 November 2019 20: 55 New
              +1
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Both that and that were bad. EBN then unwound simply. And now it’s clear - why. But then it was - incomprehensible.

              I speak for myself, naturally, for others I have no right. But the fact that the database in the 93rd people didn’t really want to protect shows that I was not the only one who thought so.

              As a result, we have what we have. I'm not happy, to be honest.

              hi Totally agree.
  3. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 9 November 2019 20: 27 New
    +12
    Quote: Observer2014
    Mikhail Gorbachev said that those who organized the August coup of 1991 of the year are guilty of the collapse of the Soviet Union.
    Liar. Blaming people who tried to save the country with all their might. Top hypocrisy.

    What did you want to hear from Judah?
    This underestimate ... the narrow-minded person, besides the fact that “changes are needed,” knew nothing more. And what changes, what are the changes, he is neither able to voice nor understand today.
    1. 4ekist
      4ekist 9 November 2019 20: 35 New
      +5
      The most important thing is the pluralism of opinions. And this is the main point!!! Yes, yes, yes.
    2. The popuas
      The popuas 9 November 2019 21: 04 New
      +2
      Such desires are not his ... request Raisa rummaged well ...
      1. Fat
        Fat 10 November 2019 03: 49 New
        0
        Just do not need conspiracy theories. Michael in itself a frame in isolation from real
    3. Observer2014
      Observer2014 9 November 2019 21: 07 New
      +3
      Krasnoyarsk hi
      And what did you want to hear from Judah? And what changes, what are the changes, he is neither able to voice nor understand today.
      Yes. This is historical slag, imagining itself to be titanium. And so that the ashes would not be hammered into the cannon. And they didn’t shoot aside from our USSR Homeland, he is trying very, very hard, even to the last. What we are actually observing.
    4. The comment was deleted.
  4. Svarog
    Svarog 9 November 2019 20: 27 New
    +8
    Quote: Observer2014
    Mikhail Gorbachev said that those who organized the August coup of 1991 of the year are guilty of the collapse of the Soviet Union.
    Liar. Blaming people who tried to save the country with all their might. Top hypocrisy.

    They like to take responsibility off of themselves, but in fact, it was he who Judas and his wife sold their homeland ..
  5. antivirus
    antivirus 9 November 2019 21: 15 New
    0
    yes, a teaspoon on the forehead is indispensable-- you need a scoop
  6. Alien From
    Alien From 9 November 2019 21: 16 New
    +3
    The infection is still labeled. There’s a muzzle that has eaten up. There is no excuse for him, no forgiveness !!!!!!!
    1. Fat
      Fat 10 November 2019 03: 53 New
      0
      So he sells the Nobel, he deserves ...
  7. To be or not to be
    To be or not to be 9 November 2019 21: 28 New
    +2
    Gorbachev said that those who organized the coup in 1991 were to blame for the end of perestroika and the collapse of the USSR.
    So he organized it. .to have an occasion to liquidate the CPSU ..
    GKChP. As faithful comrades-in-arms (they had previously been chosen according to their moral and business and ascended closer to the stars of the Kremlin)), they all fulfilled and were forgiven ..
  8. Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 9 November 2019 21: 46 New
    +5
    Quote: Observer2014
    Mikhail Gorbachev said that those who organized the August coup of 1991 of the year are guilty of the collapse of the Soviet Union.
    Liar. Blaming people who tried to save the country with all their might. Top hypocrisy.

    According to him, it was already impossible to live as we lived before and changes were required.

    Well, there was nothing to live as before - it was necessary to throw their party posts and bring down the monastery, leaving all the property to large families!
  9. tol100v
    tol100v 9 November 2019 22: 12 New
    +6
    Quote: Observer2014
    .Top hypocrisy.

    This "bastard-gentleman" is still trying to talk about something !? A killer of a great country, and trying to be white and fluffy? . in a word!
  10. The comment was deleted.
  11. The comment was deleted.
  12. Old Michael
    Old Michael 10 November 2019 00: 12 New
    +1
    Liar

    Somehow you are very affectionate to him ...
  13. The comment was deleted.
  14. Sahalinets
    Sahalinets 10 November 2019 01: 45 New
    +3
    Do not judge him harshly! Misha is a clear illustration of the principle of Peter - "Every leader makes a career until he reaches a post where his complete incompetence becomes completely obvious."
    Gorbachev simply made a career ass licking and empty speeches. No, of course he was not going to ruin the Union. He just wanted to "go down in history." But he was completely unable to conceive at least some kind of plan and, moreover, to implement it. Its restructuring reminds me of a monkey stupidly pounding on the clave, in the hope that a banana would suddenly pop out ...
    Naturally, such a stupid person did not understand what had happened.
    1. Fat
      Fat 10 November 2019 03: 59 New
      0
      Quote: Sahalinets
      Do not judge him harshly! Misha is a clear illustration of the principle of Peter - "Every leader makes a career until he reaches a post where his complete incompetence becomes completely obvious."
      Gorbachev simply made a career ass licking and empty speeches. No, of course he was not going to ruin the Union. He just wanted to "go down in history." But he was completely unable to conceive at least some kind of plan and, moreover, to implement it. Its restructuring reminds me of a monkey stupidly pounding on the clave, in the hope that a banana would suddenly pop out ...
      Naturally, such a stupid person did not understand what had happened.

      If I could put all 10 points. Clear, short, true.
  15. siberalt
    siberalt 10 November 2019 06: 38 New
    +3
    Hunchback himself made this coup, hoping to stay clean in the Crimean Foros. After death, his stuffed animal should be hung in the Yeltsin center. Unfortunately, the stuffed cat from Yeltsin will no longer work.
  16. Alekseev
    Alekseev 10 November 2019 09: 12 New
    +1
    Quote: Observer2014
    Liar, blaming people who tried

    Liar is for sure! Everyone is to blame, but he is most of all!
    In fairness, I must say that the people who "tried" were worthless ...
    Historical reality has happened, and Mishka Mechny, EBN, etc., is just the tip of the iceberg, the visible part of a complex historical event.
  17. Fitter
    Fitter 10 November 2019 13: 10 New
    +1
    Hang on the aspen of Gorbachev, Chubais, Yakovlev.
  18. Vend
    Vend 11 November 2019 10: 09 New
    0
    Quote: Observer2014
    Mikhail Gorbachev said that those who organized the August coup of 1991 of the year are guilty of the collapse of the Soviet Union.
    Liar. Blaming people who tried to save the country with all their might. Top hypocrisy.

    However, the state in Gorbachev begins to dodge. It makes itself felt living abroad.
  • book
    book 9 November 2019 19: 34 New
    +14
    Judah got his silver pieces for the collapse. And now he yells
  • vitvit123
    vitvit123 9 November 2019 19: 35 New
    +3
    WHEN THE SAME ... ??? !!!
    I'll wait ....
    1. 210ox
      210ox 9 November 2019 19: 41 New
      +7
      Well, we wait ... Who will it help?
      1. vitvit123
        vitvit123 9 November 2019 21: 55 New
        +3
        Quote: 210ox
        Well, we wait ... Who will it help?

        it makes no difference to whom it helps and how. Personally, I will receive moral satisfaction (for which and why I will not write)!
        I am sure that I am not alone! That's all .
    2. Dogmatic
      Dogmatic 9 November 2019 19: 46 New
      +4
      What for. May it live forever.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 9 November 2019 19: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: vitvit123
      WHEN THE SAME ... ??? !!!
      I'll wait ....

      Soon.
      1. vitvit123
        vitvit123 9 November 2019 22: 05 New
        +1
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: vitvit123
        WHEN THE SAME ... ??? !!!
        I'll wait ....

        Soon.

        I already doubt it somehow, although I understand that this is not real.
    4. antivirus
      antivirus 9 November 2019 21: 16 New
      -1
      do not drink. don’t smoke and the whole meaning of life - see see .. MSG?
      maybe Russia's expansion is more important?
      1. vitvit123
        vitvit123 9 November 2019 22: 04 New
        +1
        I never took a cigarette in my hands. The alcoholic organism does not tolerate. There are many important, interesting things and tasks for me. I can’t say in which place of them the expansion of Russia (honestly, smiled), but I agree that this is an important thing! unfortunately (mine) I have more difficult tasks. but I want him to feel bad.
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 9 November 2019 22: 44 New
          +1
          expansion = to the USSR. if possible
    5. Yu-81
      Yu-81 10 November 2019 12: 20 New
      +1
      And for me it would be better if this pig lived and witnessed the restoration of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics with a real Communist Party and a real return to real socialism. That he certainly would not have survived.
  • loki565
    loki565 9 November 2019 19: 36 New
    -1
    The end of perestroika and the collapse of the Soviet Union are responsible for those who organized the coup in August 1991, and after the coup used the weakened position of the president of the USSR

  • senima56
    senima56 9 November 2019 19: 37 New
    +6
    To Mikhail Sergeyevich, by and large it is necessary to go to the monastery and atone for sins! Or, at worst, sit and keep quiet! And he is still yapping, blaming someone, advising someone! fool
    1. 210ox
      210ox 9 November 2019 19: 40 New
      +9
      With a dead donkey, he needs to remove the rope, and strangle himself like Jude ...
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 9 November 2019 20: 01 New
      +7
      Quote: senima56
      To Mikhail Sergeyevich, by and large it is necessary to go to the monastery and atone for sins!

      Satanists are not admitted to the Orthodox monastery, they have their own monasteries.
    3. ssergey1978
      ssergey1978 9 November 2019 20: 02 New
      +1
      Yes, he’d better at the worst.
    4. stalki
      stalki 9 November 2019 21: 04 New
      +6
      To Mikhail Sergeyevich, by and large it is necessary to go to the monastery and atone for sins! Or, at worst, sit and keep quiet! And he is still yapping, blaming someone, advising someone!
      Yes, he wanted to spit at all. Do you think he has a conscience? Who would harm his lead?
    5. The comment was deleted.
    6. vitvit123
      vitvit123 9 November 2019 22: 07 New
      +2
      [quote = senima56] Mikhuil Sergeyevich, by and large it is necessary to go to the monastery and atone for sins! Or, at worst, sit and keep quiet! And he is still yapping, blaming someone, advising someone! fool[/ Of course I was told that the Lord is merciful, but so much grief (human) to be repented ... !!!
    7. Old Michael
      Old Michael 10 November 2019 00: 15 New
      +1
      go to the monastery

      Holy place to fuck up?
  • 16112014nk
    16112014nk 9 November 2019 19: 38 New
    +7
    How the earth still wears this labeled toad ???
  • 210ox
    210ox 9 November 2019 19: 38 New
    +15
    Your mother! And this wax also hangs guilt on others!
    1. venaya
      venaya 9 November 2019 19: 49 New
      +6
      Quote: 210ox
      And this wax also hangs guilt on others!

      He used the already well-known and already standard trick, often found among many such non-humans, examples of darkness ...
    2. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 9 November 2019 22: 22 New
      +4
      210ox (Dmitry) Today, 19: 38
      +11
      Your mother! And this wax also hangs guilt on others! .. ""
      "" "Mikhail Poltoranin:" The Emergency Committee - the greatest provocation of Gorbachev! "
      So says one of the active participants in those events, the closest ally of Yeltsin "" "
      https://www.spb.kp.ru/daily/25738.3/2726169/
      "" Having dispersed the party, the country was prepared for collapse. Belovezhskaya Pushcha is also the result of a special operation of the State Emergency Committee.

      - How many people were aware of the provocation to eliminate the CPSU and the USSR?

      - In addition to Gorbachev, Yeltsin, in my opinion, Vadim Medvedev, Alexander Nikolayevich Yakovlev. No wonder he, on the eve of the coup, on August 16, announced his withdrawal from the CPSU. Perhaps Ryzhkov, Burbulis knew. In America, more people knew.

      - And the members of the Emergency Committee?

      - I think no one. Gorbachev used them blindly. In a manner peculiar to him, he said or hinted: men, we are losing power, the country. "" "
  • depressant
    depressant 9 November 2019 19: 39 New
    +12
    The devil in the flesh ...
    Damn you!..
    And who has weakened your position, huh? Didn't you lead the Union to collapse?!? You weak, stupid, insignificant! The blood of millions of victims of the collapse of a great country is on you. Traitor...
    27 million victims in World War II, but - defended! And here ... No words!
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 9 November 2019 20: 03 New
      +5
      Quote: depressant
      27 million victims in World War II, but - defended! And here ... No words!

      And now 27 million outside the homeland.
  • Strashila
    Strashila 9 November 2019 19: 41 New
    +2
    What to do about age, I remember, I don’t remember here.
  • Major Yurik
    Major Yurik 9 November 2019 19: 41 New
    +10
    Quote: book
    Judah got his silver pieces for the collapse. And now he yells

    Yeah! A very balanced creation, there is nothing superfluous in the body - no shame, no conscience! am
  • SokolfromRussia
    SokolfromRussia 9 November 2019 19: 46 New
    +8
    And is it worth quoting at all? By publishing his statements, we only publicize him. What for? Ignore this creature and that’s it.
  • The comment was deleted.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 9 November 2019 20: 10 New
      +3
      ABOUT! The cellar got out! Hold the addict!
  • Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 9 November 2019 19: 54 New
    +5
    Give me a gun ... put Gorbachev in front of me, although you can put Yeltsin ... I won’t see much difference. These two nits are guilty of millions of unborn children. They probably don't feel like killers, but they are killers.
    1. The comment was deleted.
      1. Sergey Averchenkov
        Sergey Averchenkov 9 November 2019 20: 10 New
        +6
        Give, I use it on business. What do you think my business will concern you? How tired of you ... tolerance is your everything.
        1. The comment was deleted.
          1. Sergey Averchenkov
            Sergey Averchenkov 9 November 2019 20: 53 New
            +3
            Where did i stand Okay ... calmer and calmer ... it's me to myself. And now, Mr. dumbass, you don’t even know that in Krasnoyarsk we have no McDonalds at all. Now they want to do something there, but before that it was completely absent as a species. Accuse me of what I didn’t have?
            1. The comment was deleted.
              1. Sergey Averchenkov
                Sergey Averchenkov 9 November 2019 21: 14 New
                -1
                Well, yes ... I’ll come to you to use what you have proposed.
      2. Andrey VOV
        Andrey VOV 9 November 2019 20: 38 New
        +11
        so you are a miracle incomprehensible today registered .. from here ..
        1. The comment was deleted.
        2. 210ox
          210ox 9 November 2019 20: 57 New
          +9
          Comrades .. Do not feed the worthless troll. These are his silver coins.
          1. The comment was deleted.
          2. Kondratko
            Kondratko 9 November 2019 23: 59 New
            +1
            This is a bot, it doesn’t smell like a troll ...
            1. The comment was deleted.
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 9 November 2019 19: 55 New
    +16
    The lying cynic. All the time he led the country at the direction of the West and according to the Raikin instructions to collapse. Yes you, - a spotty face, only for the surrender of the INF Treaty it would be necessary to strangle. We remember how you were "arrested" in Foros ... I gave power to the gang, led by a drunk, and now are looking for forgiveness?
    There will never be forgiveness to you. Die, damned by the Russian people. Nobody will regret you.
    1. The comment was deleted.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 9 November 2019 19: 57 New
    +4
    The end of perestroika and the collapse of the Soviet Union are responsible for those who organized the coup in August 1991, and after the coup used the weakened position of the president of the USSR
    Blame Gorbachev and his retinue, posed by the world elite. During his reign, anti-communist propaganda flowed throughout the country, propaganda of the Russian people’s worthlessness, the working man was reduced to a simple "cattle". And what right is this villain and traitor to make a statement. Or have you already squandered 33 Silverman and want to earn new ones?
    1. The comment was deleted.
  • Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 9 November 2019 19: 59 New
    +12
    ... "believes that Russia will never return to a totalitarian system" ...
    How disgusting to me are people who, having lived in the USSR "living in chocolate", now are denouncing the "totalitarian" regime !!!
    Aren't you the "Toad" tearing your ass for half your life, campaigning for the principles of socialism? And quite succeeded in this.
    And now he changed his shoes in the air and there, throwing stones at the long-dead Union!
    Yes, pooh on you, traitor!
    1. The comment was deleted.
      1. svp67
        svp67 10 November 2019 03: 59 New
        0
        Quote: bio robot
        young I was then in 1983

        And since then the mind has not gained ...
        Quote: bio robot
        then bam and no Soviets. five years have passed.

        They shot down in 1983, the Union collapsed in 1991, it is EIGHT years ... But, not knowledge, not mind, it wasn’t added to count ...
        Quote: bio robot
        the last days are coming

        I’m reading this comment and once again I understand the meaning of the Ukrainian saying: “the day is richer in thought” .... It’s very easy for me to cite a dozen examples of the destruction of civilian aircraft by foreign states to show the FULL nonsense of this statement ...
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 10 November 2019 15: 11 New
      +1
      Quote: Retvizan 8
      Aren't you the "Toad" tearing your ass for half your life, campaigning for the principles of socialism?

      Wanderers, Pharisees and traitors. There is nothing human, only satanic.
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 9 November 2019 20: 01 New
    +14
    Strange statements by the eternal Gorbachev. Was the pinnacle of the communist system. Now "reborn," condemns "totalitarianism." So perhaps you can agree that Hitler at 45m, our grandfathers were prevented from becoming anti-fascist.
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 9 November 2019 21: 22 New
      +5
      Quote: samarin1969
      So perhaps you can agree that Hitler at 45m, our grandfathers were prevented from becoming anti-fascist.

      Nothing is impossible. Masha Kalinka Zakharova presented in her Facebooke http://apafnutiy.livejournal.com/126347.html theses on the theme that Stalin is worse than Hitler, thus relaying the well-known ideological thesis of Bandera, which was once captured on a famous poster in Zaporozhye.
      Then this same Masha will angrily condemn the demolition of monuments to Soviet soldiers on behalf of the Foreign Ministry.
    2. The comment was deleted.
  • faterdom
    faterdom 9 November 2019 20: 04 New
    +7
    What should we tell? I hope that soon she will appear where they will listen to him and make the right decision ...
    The people have already appreciated, and it is unlikely that anyone will change, only for the worse.
    But those who are now in power let them think, so as not to lose money later. And for pension reform, too. And for Shies.
    After all, they, the current from there, see something wrong. And then there will be "I was deceived ..."
  • DPN
    DPN 9 November 2019 20: 13 New
    +4
    It’s not a good person, as Moses led the people there, don’t know where, here it is, the power of power to stay at all costs, ruined the country and even did not send to the monastery as in the old days. How many people were killed in peacetime, the best German is a pensioner of Russian significance.
    1. Victoria-V
      Victoria-V 9 November 2019 22: 08 New
      +2
      If you don’t know the reason why Moses drove the people through the desert for 40 years, then you shouldn’t make your own conclusions and deceive the members of the forum on this basis.
      1. Fat
        Fat 10 November 2019 04: 27 New
        0
        Quote: Victoria-In
        If you don’t know the reason why Moses drove the people through the desert for 40 years, then you shouldn’t make your own conclusions and deceive the members of the forum on this basis.

        Well, why did Moses break the tablets of God data? Ambition? He is the savior of the nation.
  • Lesorub
    Lesorub 9 November 2019 20: 14 New
    +11
    Gorbachev told who is really to blame for the collapse of the USSR

    He betrayed the Country - the people mutilated - hid from his "master" - not a human being!
    1. The comment was deleted.
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 9 November 2019 20: 16 New
    +8
    T-vari tagged! He has power that no one on planet Earth had, but he leaked everything! !!! Nit!!!
    1. The comment was deleted.
    2. Fat
      Fat 10 November 2019 04: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: Captive
      T-vari tagged! He has power that no one on planet Earth had, but he leaked everything! !!! Nit!!!

      Secretary General of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. CPSU. The main communist power. Summary: Do not trust the Communists. Of all the cheated, they are the most advanced cheated
  • Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 9 November 2019 20: 18 New
    +12
    Whatever this cowardly pretzel speaks in his defense, in the history of the state and in the memory of the people, he will remain one of the most despised personalities for centuries.
    1. The comment was deleted.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 9 November 2019 20: 20 New
    +10
    Quote: GKS 2111

    What is there to talk about ... Damn it, Judas.

    He also has the Russian Federation - awards, you google, and who awarded, there is also .... sad .
  • edelweiss968
    edelweiss968 9 November 2019 20: 20 New
    +5
    Quote: tihonmarine
    And now 27 million outside the homeland.

    and another 20 did not fit into the market
  • Paranoid50
    Paranoid50 9 November 2019 20: 20 New
    +8
    he admits that during the perestroika there were mistakes and mistakes, but he does not regret what happened

    laughing laughing laughing Duc, clear-red - he was sorry for him in the lobby ... It seems to him that the same Fritz will pay extra after death. yes
  • monomahos
    monomahos 9 November 2019 20: 21 New
    +6
    The first president !!! Great strange USSR, lives in Germany! And this udot, someone else reads and takes seriously ????? !!!
    His place on the hangar, 25 years ago!
    1. The comment was deleted.
    2. DPN
      DPN 10 November 2019 17: 07 New
      +1
      The opinion of the people, the authorities are not interested, so he is calmly treated in the city of Moscow heroes.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 9 November 2019 20: 22 New
    +5
    This figure should have been drowned with shit as a child in a pelvis.
  • 4ekist
    4ekist 9 November 2019 20: 26 New
    +8
    It is disgusting, however. Without homeland and honor. There are no words.
    1. The comment was deleted.
    2. The comment was deleted.
  • Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 9 November 2019 20: 35 New
    +4
    It boils, boils a cauldron and the hellish frying pans of this Judah are waiting .... how the earth still wears it ...
    1. Barmaleyka
      Barmaleyka 9 November 2019 20: 53 New
      +2
      I'm afraid they won’t let him go there, they’re afraid that he and hell will ruin
      1. The comment was deleted.
      2. Fat
        Fat 10 November 2019 04: 39 New
        0
        Such a paradise and destroy. A ghost wanders through Europe .. A ghost of collapse ...
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 10 November 2019 10: 09 New
          +2
          Quote: Thick
          Such a paradise and destroy.

          I immediately recall the bearded joke from the 80s about the restructuring in hell. laughing
          1. bondrostov
            bondrostov 10 November 2019 11: 58 New
            0
            And what kind of anecdote do I not remember? drinks drinks
            1. Paranoid50
              Paranoid50 10 November 2019 12: 05 New
              +2
              Quote: bondrostov
              I don’t remember something?

              Yes, the point is that after death they decided where to take him - Satan was the first to take him ...
              and very sorry. wassat
  • The comment was deleted.
    1. The comment was deleted.
      1. The comment was deleted.
  • Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 9 November 2019 20: 45 New
    +5
    I would write a lot about this creation, but again they will give a ban. laughing
    1. The comment was deleted.
      1. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 10 November 2019 01: 20 New
        0
        Lives are written, go learn from your Soros.
        Pick up by ad ...
        1. The comment was deleted.
        2. The comment was deleted.
  • Barmaleyka
    Barmaleyka 9 November 2019 20: 53 New
    +5
    when will this die finally
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 9 November 2019 20: 58 New
    +1
    Interesting. I found out at neighboring resources that a trial was held in The Hague today, after which our country begins to look very unflattering ... Why does the editorial board ignore this fact, but throw in the revelation of the scammed M. S. Gorbachev?
    1. Barmaleyka
      Barmaleyka 9 November 2019 21: 05 New
      +1
      and what is there in the hague?
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 9 November 2019 21: 07 New
        +1
        In a nutshell, 15 judges are in favor, 3 is opposed to the confrontation between Ukraine and Russia. As is clear from the message, not in our favor! I’m waiting for what Zakharova will say now and how the Skobeyevs with Popov and Soloviev will sing ...
        1. Andrey VOV
          Andrey VOV 9 November 2019 21: 27 New
          +3
          Yes, put a handful on this Hague .. no one? And what are they called?
        2. Barmaleyka
          Barmaleyka 9 November 2019 22: 05 New
          +2
          for what and against what ?!
          1. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 9 November 2019 22: 06 New
            -1
            Gracious sovereign, can you google yourself in order to avoid a "damaged phone"?
            1. Barmaleyka
              Barmaleyka 10 November 2019 08: 24 New
              -2
              you gave out the type of news, so you either give it completely or I'm sorry but sit quietly
        3. Incvizitor
          Incvizitor 10 November 2019 01: 26 New
          +1
          After the events with the trial of Milosevic, the Hague court request
        4. The comment was deleted.
      2. The comment was deleted.
    2. The comment was deleted.
  • wooja
    wooja 9 November 2019 21: 06 New
    +3
    Naturally, the HMS - lying ..., the putsch of the 91st was a chance ... and now it naturally bites your elbows ..., fooling you ..., that’s what blames the former associates or accomplices, a rotten person ...
  • Azis
    Azis 9 November 2019 21: 10 New
    +3
    It does not fall within the scope of Law 12-FZ; it only applies to RF-shnyh. It is necessary to somehow initiate the court. Alas, not under the current government ....
    Pension, a summer residence, a car and security remained until the end of his life, but the document did not say a word about guarantees of immunity to Gorbachev himself and his family .... In 1994, Gorbachev was set a pension of 40 minimum salaries.
  • The comment was deleted.
  • Atenon
    Atenon 9 November 2019 21: 20 New
    +3
    The day when this spotty dries up, I think it will become one of the main holidays in Russia, for sure I have.
  • 1536
    1536 9 November 2019 21: 20 New
    +2
    The Soviet Union was ruined by the following factors:
    - discrediting the party and Soviet governing bodies in the Union republics, ideological sabotage to denigrate the Soviet system, deployed in the media, imposed on society debates about the role of the CPSU in government;
    - Strengthening nationalist sentiments in the center and in the republics, skillfully fueled through the governing bodies of Soviet power by appointing so-called "national cadres" to leadership positions, who often do not know how to exercise leadership;
    - non-payment of salaries due to non-payments in the agricultural industry, delays in the payment of pensions and social benefits;
    - lack of products in stores, artificially created their shortage in the presence of products in warehouses and factories for their production;
    - created shortage of cigarettes and alcoholic beverages, primarily vodka, a total shortage of industrial goods, cars, affordable housing;
    - unprecedented rampant crime with which the state practically did not fight on a full scale;
    And who organized all this? By itself, or by the will of one fool, did this happen at the end of 1980's - the beginning of 1990's? And what does the GKChP have to do with it - a limp attempt to save at least something, moreover, clumsily directed? And wasn’t it the conscious, planned actions of a certain layer of people who felt that it was possible to grab and grab your beloved during the period of confusion and counter-revolution that was created by several generations of Soviet people?
    Unfortunately, the German magazine and the German public will never know about this.
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 11 November 2019 01: 54 New
      -1
      Quote: 1536
      The Soviet Union was ruined by the following factors:

      Yeah, but also an insufficient number of folk song and dance ensembles. If you really believe in this nonsense, I feel sorry for you.
  • Coconut
    Coconut 9 November 2019 21: 21 New
    +4
    I hate labeled ... all my dreams were spent on consumption am
  • Saboteur Holuy
    Saboteur Holuy 9 November 2019 21: 23 New
    +1
    The army and the KGB had to take everything into their own hands, Gorbachev and Yeltsin had to be shot, martial law was introduced in the country!
    1. The comment was deleted.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 9 November 2019 21: 25 New
    +3
    The toad that destroyed my country! You never know what he WANTED! He is just a fool, who happened to be on the "bridge" with a wild desire to "steer" ... And complete inability to do it!
    1. Astra55
      Astra55 9 November 2019 23: 13 New
      +6
      And how can you happen to be on that bridge? No one will be appointed chairman of the collective farm because the comrades from above will check him up to the seventh knee and approve them into his pants before approving a new chairman - ".. what do you have there?"
      The General Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee cannot be a fool! Like carried out a reform and stupidly destroyed the USSR!
      They voted for him, promoted, trusted, checked.
      But he turns out to be what She thought up ... Union fill up.
      No, here someone competently worked at the final stage, promised him a place in History as a bright elf.
      But where was the Politburo looking at this time ?! And the Party’s combat detachment with him. This is a big question.
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 9 November 2019 23: 47 New
        +2
        Quote: Astra55
        And how can you happen to be on that bridge

        Alas, maybe. Since he, like a puppet, arranged EVERYTHING ... He could not lead his game. A person who is not able to get rid of emphasis and correctly emphasize words cannot be smart. Even Stalin, speaking, could speak without an accent. The political bureau at that moment gathered the old deep ... Gerantocracy is ...
        1. Astra55
          Astra55 10 November 2019 00: 21 New
          +1
          Good. The comrades responsible for half the world have not seen where Gorbachev’s policy leads? They didn’t need half the world, but needed a cheeseburger and the ability to freely watch c / f Rambo? According to all the laws of development, they really did not need half the World, they should need the whole World.
          What turns out then? I honestly don’t understand. What everyone bought or what? Not a single person was found in the Kremlin who saw beyond his nose? Or it should be so. Otherwise it was impossible and could only be worse? And we just live inside this centenary shake-up and cannot see the whole picture.
          1. Mountain shooter
            Mountain shooter 10 November 2019 00: 25 New
            +1
            Quote: Astra55
            And we just live inside this centenary shake-up and cannot see the whole picture.

            They were mostly over 70. They already saw NOTHING. This young and energetic combiner, without a king in his head, suited everyone ...
    2. The comment was deleted.
  • Karabin
    Karabin 9 November 2019 21: 29 New
    +2
    Why is everyone so outraged? Rare unanimity. Save the swear words, we still have to perpetuate the memory of the hero (the Judas will accumulate in the end). Gorbi-center is unlikely to be beaten off, but the streets, squares, libraries, airports, universities, icebreakers will be named after the hero. wink
  • Evgeniy1975
    Evgeniy1975 9 November 2019 21: 29 New
    +5
    “After the 1953rd, nationalists and bribe-taking careerists came to power in the USSR. Covered from the Kremlin. When the time comes, they will drop their masks, throw away party cards and will openly rule their counties as feudal lords and serfs ... ”
    Mao Zedong, The New China, Beijing, 1964, N 12
  • The comment was deleted.
    1. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 10 November 2019 05: 43 New
      +1
      Kastryugolovy, tighten up the grammar, and then only a day ago appeared on the site and you start to breed flood here
  • pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 9 November 2019 21: 33 New
    +5
    With one foot in the grave: "But I am not to blame ...".
    Why do you need this excuse?
    Everything was distributed.
    And the pawn - Gorbachev made the necessary move to the 8th line, became Ferzem and - passed the game ...
  • AAK
    AAK 9 November 2019 21: 35 New
    +4
    Considering the almost unanimous opinion about this bastard, that in VO, in the people (so you die is still the softest), here he sits in the Bundesland that is kind to his heart and even croaks from time to time, he’ll just settle in Russia ... t ( very afraid, in short), because he knows that even the guards on Rublevka will not help, they will crash ....
  • iouris
    iouris 9 November 2019 21: 40 New
    -1
    Need a court, not "your word against mine."
  • Radikal
    Radikal 9 November 2019 21: 44 New
    +9
    Gorbachev told who is really to blame for the collapse of the USSR

    Storyteller. It is curious who prompted and embodied the proposal for the introduction of the post - the President of the USSR. The Soviet state was always headed by the First, or Secretary General of the CPSU / CPSU, the decision to remove it was made by the collegial body - the Politburo. As is the case with Khrushchev. This was not a legal norm, but an internal party mechanism, and it could not be evaluated by the international community as a coup d'etat. The one who proposed / advised to introduce the post of president of the USSR and was an agent of the West, since the removal from power of the president of the country, and not the leader of the leading party, from a legal point of view for the world community looked like a coup. Those who planned it (by the way, not stupid people) completed the task - the world took the events of August 1991 as they wanted. It remains to regret that the Chairman of the KGB of the USSR General of the Army Vladimir Alexandrovich Kryuchkov turned out to be a coward, he did not take measures to restore constitutional order in the country, although he had all the rights, forces, and means for this that were on alert, but and did not receive orders and orders! soldier
  • cosmonaut
    cosmonaut 9 November 2019 21: 45 New
    +4
    Yeah, I just walked by.

    bastard, judah
  • rocket757
    rocket757 9 November 2019 21: 46 New
    +3
    Vile Temka .... everything is already said, negotiated ...
    There will be no court of history, but a fair sentence too! Well, here it is.
    DOT! It's time to move on.
    1. The comment was deleted.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 9 November 2019 22: 12 New
        +5
        Those who are only looking for goods can go through the woods.
        PARTNERSHIP has been, is and will always be.
        1. The comment was deleted.