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Uzbek anti-aircraft gunners tested the Chinese FD-2000 air defense system (HQ-9)

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The Ministry of Defense of Uzbekistan tested the long-range FD-2000 anti-aircraft missile system (SAM), purchased from China in the interests of the country's air defense. This was reported by the press service of the Uzbek military department.


Uzbek anti-aircraft gunners tested the Chinese FD-2000 air defense system (HQ-9)


At the Kulkuduk firing range in the Navoi region, Chinese-made FD-2000 anti-aircraft missile systems were fired (export designation of HQ-9 air defense systems). The exercises were conducted in order to verify the preparation of calculations during the combat launches of anti-aircraft guided missiles for air targets.

The personnel of the Air Defense and Air Force units of the Ministry of Defense, according to the combat training curriculum, successfully conducted exercises on the use of air defense missiles at the Kulkuduk air-ground military training ground located in the Navoi region

- said in a statement.

Long-range air defense systems HQ-9 (Hong Qi-9 "Red Banner - 9", export designation FD-2000) is used to destroy aircraft, helicopters, cruise missiles at all altitudes of their use at any time and in any weather conditions. This complex is distinguished by a sufficiently high combat effectiveness when operating in a difficult environment of radar suppression and massive use by the enemy of air attack means.

HQ-9 was created by China Academy of Defense Technology. The development of its early prototypes began back in the 80s of the last century and continued with varying success until the mid-90s. In 1993, China purchased from Russia a small batch of S-300 PMU-1 air defense systems. A number of design features and technical solutions of this complex were largely borrowed by Chinese engineers during the further design of the HQ-9. The export version appeared in 1998 year.

The inclined range of the complex is from 6 to 200 km, and the altitude of the targets hit is from 500 to 30 000 meters. According to the manufacturer of the air defense system it is able to intercept guided missiles in the radius from 1 to 18 km., Cruise missiles in the radius from 7 to 15 km. and tactical ballistic missiles ranging from 7 to 25 km. (in a number of sources 30 km). The time to bring the complex into combat condition from the march is 6 minutes, the reaction time is 12-15 seconds.

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Ministry of Defense of Uzbekistan
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  1. Saboteur Holuy
    Saboteur Holuy 9 November 2019 18: 15
    -12
    China's software seems to be better
    1. loki565
      loki565 9 November 2019 18: 20
      +8
      China's software seems to be better

      Rather, the price
      1. Saboteur Holuy
        Saboteur Holuy 9 November 2019 18: 23
        -8
        I looked at the monitors, everything is simple and affordable there ...
        1. 210ox
          210ox 9 November 2019 19: 06
          +13
          Didn't you see why they were shooting? From "Pechora". I looked at the monitors and concluded ... Ugh.
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 9 November 2019 22: 35
            0
            They were silent about Uzbekistan for many years.
            And then it rained down. Suddenly, a gang attack at a border checkpoint in Tajikistan yesterday, today it launches air defense.
            If next week a scandal "with pressure on the independent press" suddenly emerges there, then they are preparing a color revolution. Or just a coup
            what
            1. de_monSher
              de_monSher 9 November 2019 23: 31
              +2
              Nuuuuu ... this is unlikely ... *)) As for the "pressure" ... here if someone puts pressure on the press, they will give him so much that it will not seem like a little ... But in fact, well, all of you, the "sofa general The Russian "does not like it," just according to the proverb, "What a crayfish is like a fish, everything is d-u-r-a-k Kandyba. What a fish is a crayfish, everything is Kandyba d-u-r-a-k." There would be no rejoicing that the neighbors have everything smooth and quiet - no, "creak-creak ... creak-creak", like an old sofa spring ... *))) People, you at least watch the video of the same tank biathlon - for the first time in this year, Uzbekistan took part = by the way, in the second division immediately took the first place, although the guys were not so hot =. We have been taking part since last year in all military events, IN FULL. Not symptomatic? The leadership is carefully probing the ground for joining the EAEU - there are pluses in this business, but also cons in bulk ... *)) I read here that someone spoke about "writing off Uzbekistan's debts." Well guys, you are clever of course. The formula for writing off debts = something like 600 lam was, like = it was very simple - in your diamond fund, dozens of our valuables are stored. Our past President, the deceased, demanded them all back. We have removed the REQUIREMENTS - you have written off the debts. Fig puff now, I don’t understand? *)))
              1. Shurik70
                Shurik70 9 November 2019 23: 34
                0
                Happy for you. hi
                According to statistics, the less they say about a country, the better the situation in it.
                And then all of a sudden the news from that region went by a jamb.
                1. de_monSher
                  de_monSher 9 November 2019 23: 39
                  +5
                  I have always stated here and will continue to affirm that we, Uzbekistan, with you - Russia, have always been and will be together. It's just that you have capitalism, your "predatory" interests = not with you personally, but with your "businessmen" who don't want to cut the Russian budget, give them other people's budgets =. So you have to behave very carefully ... *)))))
                  1. Shurik70
                    Shurik70 9 November 2019 23: 40
                    0
                    Quote: de_monSher
                    you have capitalism

                    And you? belay
                    1. de_monSher
                      de_monSher 9 November 2019 23: 43
                      +4
                      By default - now all over the world there is wild capitalism - both you and us ... *)))) It's just that you have a "capitalist machine", it will be more powerful ... *)))) Well, who can judge that, laureating ours, between the "predators" - the USA, Russia, China? *)))) We also need to raise our economy, not only serve YOUR economies, right? *)))
                      1. Shurik70
                        Shurik70 9 November 2019 23: 46
                        +1
                        Phew ... You reassured me.
                        And then I already thought that I was transferred to another world, but I did not notice.
                        And by the way, one country with socialism remained - North Korea.
                      2. de_monSher
                        de_monSher 9 November 2019 23: 49
                        +7
                        I don't like the comparison of Korea with the USSR and that's it. Korea is not the USSR. The USSR was a beacon, the first swallow - it collapsed, it's a pity, but it will always "shine" and "shine" - showing that there is another way ... *))) And in North Korea ... it reminds me of a street bastard, 70 -s, 80s, with wild, street "justice" ... "you won't give me the bike, I'll crush your nose, yes!" ... *))))
              2. Sergey1987
                Sergey1987 11 November 2019 11: 34
                -1
                Quote: de_monSher
                on joining the EAEU - there are also advantages in this matter, but also disadvantages in bulk

                For example?
                1. de_monSher
                  de_monSher 11 November 2019 14: 58
                  0
                  Pros - a single, approximately the same development market - in, about 200 Lyam people ... *))) cons - when integrating Uzbekistan into this market, many sectors of the economy developing now may become unnecessary and disappear ... * ))) this is one small example ... *))
          2. Ingenegr
            Ingenegr 9 November 2019 23: 28
            +4
            RM-5V27 target missiles were launched from the Pechora launcher.
      2. Greg Miller
        Greg Miller 9 November 2019 18: 29
        +22
        Quote: loki565
        China's software seems to be better

        Rather, the price

        If Russia did not write off debts to Uzbekistan, then maybe there would be nothing for Tashkent to buy air defense systems in China ...
        1. de_monSher
          de_monSher 9 November 2019 23: 59
          0
          Come on, make up fairy tales ... *))) You yourself, Uzbeks, at the beginning of the 10s, wrote down to the "camp of enemies" ... Pick up from the archives as your "expert" - Sivkov, in full I seriously counted the number of our tanks and missiles, and what are the chances of Uzbekistan in a collision with Kazakhstan ... *)))) Here is our past president and then bought HQ-9 - I don't remember the exact number, but hardly more than 2-3 divisions. .. *))) And now, most likely, we will buy the 350s from you, again ... *))) and, for sure, we are going to launch joint projects in armored vehicles and aviation ... *))))
        2. DDT
          DDT 10 November 2019 02: 39
          +1
          If Russia did not write off debts to Uzbekistan, then maybe there would be nothing for Tashkent to buy air defense systems in China ... [/ quote]

          First, you are a young man, ask what kind of debts someone had ... I can give a tip, after "writing off the debt" the Russian Federation received full equipment, specialists and about 40 backlogs of IL-76, -78 ... I do not want to offend anyone, but this is " debts written off !!!! " already stuck ...
          hi
      3. boss
        boss 10 November 2019 03: 03
        0
        third grade, not marriage.
        second one too.
        first dear.
        east, the thing is too small ..
        think pooa
    2. sabakina
      sabakina 9 November 2019 18: 21
      +1
      Quote: Diversant Holuy
      China's software seems to be better

      Nude of course! This is the Chinese who brought down Power! wink
      1. tol100v
        tol100v 9 November 2019 18: 52
        +6
        Quote: sabakina
        Nude of course! This is the Chinese who brought down Power!

        Powers! And the range and speed, in the style of Chinese advertising! And the S-300 (not to mention the 400s and 500s), so, the last century!
        1. Observer2014
          Observer2014 9 November 2019 19: 29
          +6
          Quote: Tol100v
          Quote: sabakina
          Nude of course! This is the Chinese who brought down Power!

          Powers! And the range and speed, in the style of Chinese advertising! And the S-300 (not to mention the 400s and 500s), so, the last century!

          Igor. Who are you saying this to ?! Him that Power that Powers. wassat And from which, in general, violet to a light bulb is unfamiliar at all. laughing
      2. Prisoner
        Prisoner 9 November 2019 19: 36
        +6
        It was a long time ago. And the Communist Party was at the helm. Don't underestimate the Chinese. I had a Caliber lopper. Chinese shit, and now a miter saw. Thing!!! People work, and not their wishes and projects are shared like our "gadget boys" in the government!
      3. Pavel57
        Pavel57 9 November 2019 21: 55
        +2
        The Chinese shot down several U-2s.
      4. Greg Miller
        Greg Miller 9 November 2019 23: 28
        +4
        Quote: sabakina
        Quote: Diversant Holuy
        China's software seems to be better

        Nude of course! This is the Chinese who brought down Power! wink

        No, of course, the Russians did it !!! laughing
    3. Kasym
      Kasym 9 November 2019 18: 28
      +2
      The minimum height of the intercepted target is 500m., And guided missiles from 1km .. hi
      1. 210ox
        210ox 9 November 2019 19: 29
        0
        They wrote nonsense. Using a high-altitude detector, you can detect a target with an EPR of 0,02 square meters at a distance of 90 km and a height of 500 m. I mean Favorite.
  2. Cottodraton
    Cottodraton 9 November 2019 18: 16
    +4
    On the basis of 400, some "heavenly dragon 5" has not yet appeared, I wonder)
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 9 November 2019 18: 16
    +4
    One word - the Chinese. The hope that the copying one is behind ... Poor consolation ... It's a shame, however ...
    1. cniza
      cniza 9 November 2019 18: 29
      +4
      That's for sure, so far behind, but with their means ...
      1. Stalllker
        Stalllker 9 November 2019 21: 50
        +2
        Not funds, but brains are needed ...
    2. Greg Miller
      Greg Miller 9 November 2019 18: 30
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      One word - the Chinese. The hope that the copying one is behind ... Poor consolation ... It's a shame, however ...

      China will take its quantity. Quantity is also quality !!!
      1. 210ox
        210ox 9 November 2019 19: 36
        +3
        Gregory hi I drive a Chinese, ten-year-old "Gelika" No, of course, the car needs attention. But I didn’t let you down ... Ugh, I’ll knock ..
        1. Greg Miller
          Greg Miller 9 November 2019 23: 30
          -1
          Dmitriy hi Many people say the same thing about 40-year-old Zhiguli .... You were just lucky ...
      2. kventinasd
        kventinasd 9 November 2019 21: 20
        -2
        Quote: Greg Miller
        China will take its quantity. Quantity is also quality !!!

        Did they take a lot of Japan with their quantity and quality? Throughout their history, whoever did not tear the Chinese, but their lists of great military victories have long had zero.
        1. 210ox
          210ox 9 November 2019 21: 32
          0
          Well, not so long ago in the last century, they Indians tore off in Tibet.
        2. Greg Miller
          Greg Miller 9 November 2019 23: 26
          0
          Quote: kventinasd
          Quote: Greg Miller
          China will take its quantity. Quantity is also quality !!!

          Did they take a lot of Japan with their quantity and quality? Throughout their history, whoever did not tear the Chinese, but their lists of great military victories have long had zero.

          And during which Sino-Japanese war, did China have more tanks, planes, warships and machine guns than Japan and other invaders did? That's right, in none of the past, in which China lost to Japan ... And now the situation is completely different ....
    3. Pavel57
      Pavel57 9 November 2019 21: 56
      0
      Copying is at the heart of their philosophy. Why come up with when you can improve what was created before them.
  4. sabakina
    sabakina 9 November 2019 18: 18
    0
    Well I do not know. For me it's so rubbish. Moreover, different types of air defense systems are shown ...
  5. Nycomed
    Nycomed 9 November 2019 18: 28
    -5
    Our great "friend and ally" will soon surround us on all sides.
    1. Cottodraton
      Cottodraton 9 November 2019 19: 12
      0
      You should tighten the geography ...
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 9 November 2019 19: 23
        0
        Quote: Cottodraton
        You should tighten the geography ...

        It’s easier for him to pull it ... yes
      2. 210ox
        210ox 9 November 2019 21: 34
        0
        He probably remembered an old joke about cross-border graters between China and Finland. laughing
      3. Nycomed
        Nycomed 10 November 2019 00: 21
        0
        When it (geography) you "tighten", then it will be too late to argue.
  6. cniza
    cniza 9 November 2019 18: 28
    +1
    The time to bring the complex into combat condition from the march is 6 minutes, the reaction time is 12-15 seconds.


    Still would have voiced the price.
    1. knn54
      knn54 9 November 2019 18: 39
      +1
      Prices are lower than Russian export versions of the S-300 complex.
      Besides Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan has one. Pakistan in thought, waiting for the "clone" of the S-400.
      1. cniza
        cniza 9 November 2019 18: 44
        +1
        It is clear that below ... Pakistan is waiting, and India is criticizing our S-400.
    2. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 9 November 2019 19: 02
      +1
      Everything is clear with the price - if the S - 400 were cheaper, then they would have taken it. The question is different - for hell to Uzbeks long-range air defense missiles? Which neighbors have powerful air forces that pose a threat to Tashkent?
      1. Saboteur Holuy
        Saboteur Holuy 9 November 2019 19: 11
        -3
        Kazakhstan, Iran not far ...
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 9 November 2019 19: 56
          +2
          Do they have such powerful air forces? Do you have any complaints against Uzbekistan, especially Iran?
  7. AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 9 November 2019 18: 37
    -1
    ... with varying success until the mid-90s. In 1993, China purchased from Russia a small batch of S-300 PMU-1 air defense systems. A number of design features and technical solutions of this complex were largely ...

    All explanatory phrase. I bought and created, successfully sold, etc. In principle, everything is true. This is a weapon, this can explain the borrowing.
  8. Amateur
    Amateur 9 November 2019 19: 22
    -2

    If you look closely, it says "channel 1, channel 2, channel 3"
    This is definitely NOT Chinese software. Those who worked with Chinese software know that they write either in English or (very rarely) in Chinese.
    1. Zeev Zeev
      Zeev Zeev 9 November 2019 19: 51
      +2
      And of course, the Chinese could not translate into the Uzbek or Russian interface. In household appliances they translate, but in military neither.
      1. D16
        D16 9 November 2019 22: 01
        0
        The cabin from Pechora was shown.
        1. Ingenegr
          Ingenegr 9 November 2019 23: 33
          +2
          Once again, the Pechora cockpit does not belong to the tested air defense system, but provides launch and control of the RM-5V27 target missile.
  9. Strashila
    Strashila 9 November 2019 19: 47
    +1
    "cruise missiles at all altitudes of their use" further according to the test "the altitude of the targets hit is from 500 to 30 meters", I wonder what kind of cruise missiles the Uzbeks will shoot down if Hatchet flies at an altitude of 000-15 meters. A mystery however.
  10. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 9 November 2019 20: 06
    0
    ... "I bought from Russia a small batch of S-300 PMU-1 air defense systems. A number of design features and technical solutions of this complex were largely borrowed" ...
    That damn thing, not a country but a printer, everything that falls into your hands is copied.
  11. Amateur
    Amateur 9 November 2019 20: 06
    -1
    Quote: Zeev Zeev
    And of course, the Chinese could not translate into the Uzbek or Russian interface. In household appliances they translate, but in military neither.

    Persistence worthy of a better application. The Chinese make software in Russian for the subsequent export of air defense systems to Russia! fool And then they probably offer it to Uzbekistan. belay Or they make a special "Uzbek" version in Russian.
    Especially for all our Jewish friends, I inform the main military secret of Uzbekistan: the state font in Uzbekistan is Latin!
  12. Old26
    Old26 9 November 2019 20: 45
    -2
    Quote: 210ox
    Didn't you see why they were shooting? From "Pechora". I looked at the monitors and concluded ... Ugh.

    Not only. In the second minute they fired with the FD-2000
  13. Very smart
    Very smart 9 November 2019 20: 45
    -1
    And the pipe is lower and the smoke is thinner ... But our strong-baked Uzbek brothers and of this will make FIG knows what.
    Shake it - see ...
  14. Eroma
    Eroma 9 November 2019 21: 23
    -3
    Uzbekistan’s strange decision to buy a copy, not the original! winked
    Miser pays twice! buy a system that is not able to hit targets at heights of 500 - in my opinion, the money wasted! No.
    1. seregin-s1
      seregin-s1 9 November 2019 22: 08
      0
      And whom should they shoot down? Bought to have and maintain friendly relations with China.
      1. Eroma
        Eroma 9 November 2019 22: 40
        -2
        The world is a complex environment, today there is nobody, and tomorrow, who knows what will happen soldier
        I think the Chinese could have liked without the zrk. Maybe it’s ours they were asked to buy, in order to see what the Chinese got there laughing
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  16. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 9 November 2019 22: 19
    +1
    Quote: Greg Miller
    If Russia did not write off debts to Uzbekistan


    If the government of the Russian Federation finally ceased to flood the labor market with migrants from Uzbekistan and other Central Asian countries, and turned to face its citizens and Russians who were forced to live in the former republics of the USSR, then the Chinese would look for other markets for their military equipment.
    1. de_monSher
      de_monSher 10 November 2019 00: 36
      -3
      If the government of the Russian Federation


      And what does the Russian government have to do with it? *)) Become the "government of the Russian Federation" yourself, remove the visa-free regime, put the "iron curtain" on the border and you will have full trousers, Comrade Kim ... *)))

      Russians forced to live in the former republics of the USSR


      And who is "forcing" them, Dear? Here are pearls laugh me, some comrades like you, with specific views on the national question. Say, say so - and you will not understand who you are talking about - either about People, or about a flock of sheep, without their brains. Do you even THINK before you say something? *)))) Or is this a harmful activity for you? *)))
  17. Ali Kokand
    Ali Kokand 10 November 2019 05: 28
    +2
    Uzbekistan, with its own funds and for its own reasons, buys from whomever it wants. And about the air defense system, next to Afghanistan and Iran. The situation with the United States (Iran) is heating up. Just in case. When the United States fought with Iraq, the Soviet air defense forces in the region were on fire. In case of accidental flight of "axes". And now the USSR air defense is no longer there, all by ourselves. And thank God.
  18. Evil 55
    Evil 55 10 November 2019 06: 55
    0
    Well, of course .. over the river Afgan ... and he has a huge number of highly maneuverable air targets, cruise missiles and ammunition in the air .. obviously you can not do without a long-range air defense system ..))))))))) Although the features of the Middle East mentality allows only at the end of a two-year service more or less to master the AK-74 and its incomplete disassembly. I imagine how many were taught these missiles ..
    1. strannik1985
      strannik1985 10 November 2019 07: 39
      0
      Afgan

      They traditionally have strained relations with Tajikistan, only in 2018-2019 there were some progress, plus a smoldering ethnic conflict with the Kyrgyz and the old, with the Meskhetian Turks.
      1. de_monSher
        de_monSher 10 November 2019 08: 05
        +1
        old, with Meskhetian Turks.


        Oh, oh ... *))) And these poor fellows have to do with it? What ancient archives have you dug up this conflict from? *)) With Tajiks, relations more or less aligned. And now I’m sitting at a friend of the house, Uzbek, and your comment was given to his wife, Kyrgyzstan, to read. We sit, drink coffee - we laugh at your reasoning. Here they are, they jump on me - everyone asks what we are laughing at ... *))))
        1. strannik1985
          strannik1985 10 November 2019 08: 15
          0
          I am sincerely glad that everything is in order in your family and inner circle, but what does it have to do with it?
          Can you guarantee that in the future such events will not happen again and power tools, including the army, will not be needed?
          1. de_monSher
            de_monSher 10 November 2019 08: 25
            0
            In 2010, when 1.000.000 (One Million!) Refugees crossed the border of Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan to us, and even the Kazakh brothers, half-jokingly, half-seriously offered us - "Guys, let's take the north of Kyrgyzstan, you are the South", nobody did anything. Why? Because they are our neighbors. In 2013, in Moscow, he crossed paths with Kyrgyz Uzbeks - they complained that they had no prospects in Kyrgyzstan, they simply did not allow them to "grow" - and this is known to everyone in Uzbekistan, including the leadership. NOBODY did or does anything, because THESE ARE OUR NEIGHBORS, and they have THEIR rules in THEIR HOUSE. Yes, finally, in 97, even when we were transferred from the Afghan direction, to the South of Kyrgyzstan, to Jalalabad, I remember the city was empty - among the Kirghiz a rumor went that “Uzbeks, all zae #; * lo, and they threw their inveterate thugs into Kyrgyzstan to cut us "- they blew to hide, to know the sins behind them felt ... Although we were just moving to the border - to cover it ... *))) So what? WHO_NOT DO ANYTHING EVEN THEN? No. Why? Because THEY ARE OUR NEIGHBORS. We LIVE WITH THEM. And in fact, that you and your "brothers" Ukrainians have been doing it for the fifth year? Can you answer? And they are YOUR NEIGHBORS after all. Like this ...
            1. strannik1985
              strannik1985 10 November 2019 08: 31
              +1
              We live with them

              I understand correctly, in your opinion, the Armed Forces of Uzbekistan do not need modern weapons, because Uzbekistan is not going to attack anyone?
              Can

              Certainly can. In / in Ukraine there was a coup, part of the population did not want to accept the new government.
              1. de_monSher
                de_monSher 10 November 2019 08: 37
                +2
                I understand correctly, in your opinion, the Armed Forces of Uzbekistan do not need modern weapons


                Show your finger where I wrote that? That Uzbekistan "does not need modern weapons"? On the contrary, I wrote that "thank God, we are starting projects with Russia in the atomic sphere, and in the production of military aviation and armored vehicles."

                As for Ukraine, you can not tell me. From the 11th to the 13th year I was there, at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant. Then he went to Lviv, to Donetsk - he was very upset, felt the mood there, and went to St. Petersburg, then to Bulgaria. I also did not like the Ukrainian revolution. And now what?

                In Kyrgyzstan - national fun, coups. For some reason, Uzbekistan does not go there, although Uzbeks there are dofigischa. And they too suffer ... = shrugged = ...
                1. strannik1985
                  strannik1985 10 November 2019 08: 44
                  +1
                  [Show

                  Please see where the conversation started. Hint - I replied to the comment of "Evil 55".
                  About

                  You address the residents of the L / DNR and the Republic of Crimea. Yes, Russia helps, only they defend their choice themselves. And I sincerely do not understand why the coup in Kiev is "more correct" than the coup in Lugansk or Donetsk.
                  1. de_monSher
                    de_monSher 10 November 2019 08: 52
                    +1
                    And I sincerely do not understand why the coup in Kiev is "more correct" than the coup


                    I do not think the coup in Kiev is correct. I just remind you that it was you who talked about the "smoldering conflicts" in Central Asia. So - they are not, you just invented them. But you have not a smoldering but a real conflict with your neighbor, you have forgotten about him. That's all ...
                    1. strannik1985
                      strannik1985 10 November 2019 09: 18
                      +1
                      Excuse me, but you wrote about the civil war in / in Ukraine and I sincerely do not understand how it relates to the rearmament of the Uzbek Armed Forces?
                      Have such conflicts happened in the past? Can't they (in principle) happen in the future? Do you really need different tools to resolve them, including power tools, including the modern Armed Forces?
                      1. de_monSher
                        de_monSher 10 November 2019 09: 53
                        +2
                        They traditionally have strained relations with Tajikistan, only in 2018-2019 there were some progress, plus a smoldering ethnic conflict with the Kyrgyz and the old, with the Meskhetian Turks.


                        Damn - it = poked a finger at the quote = - Your words? Or - "I am not me, the horse is not mine"? *))) Is this your invention, or not? *)))
                      2. strannik1985
                        strannik1985 10 November 2019 10: 26
                        0
                        Mine, read articles, including about this. For example, about the oppression of Uzbeks in Kyrgyzstan. V. Volkov at m.dw.com/ru "8 years after the tragedy in Osh: have the Kyrgyz made peace with the Uzbeks?"
                        Is this possible in principle? If this is true, then what could be the reason for the complication in relations with Kyrgyzstan? Do you guarantee that there will be no complications in relations with Tajikistan in the future?
                      3. de_monSher
                        de_monSher 10 November 2019 10: 40
                        +2
                        future complications in relations with Tajikistan


                        Yes, Tajiks (some) are angry with us - at one time Uzbekistan sent troops to Tajikistan, and we had to pant there. And for the Tajiks, some "true Aryans", the Uzbeks are the "yard terriers" of Central Asia ... And here you have such a thing, we took part in solving their fates and problems. But in general, this is already over. We with Tajiks have always found and will find a common language. Relations were normalized - according to the principle "who will remember the old ...". We have no reason for conflict. Any nonsense, nationalistic and chauvinistic, is suppressed in the bud - our special services do not chew bread for nothing.

                        Kirghiz, hot-tempered people but quickly "give up" and sit on the ass. One problem - they are accustomed to their endless revolutions - can no longer solve anything peacefully. Again, they perfectly see the quantitative difference in the population of Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan.

                        Uzbekistan, under the past President, isolated from its neighbors - that’s yes (by the type of their nafih, with their constant revolutions and religious graters). The current vice versa has taken a course towards cooperation with all neighbors. Let's see what happens.

                        One thing I can say for sure - we will not blaze. Uzbekistan has a bunch of business interests in all neighboring countries, from Kazakhstan to Turkmenistan and Afghanistan - big business is almost everywhere, in the hands of Uzbekistan. Who doesn’t want to lose money for dog hunting? *))) That's something like this ...
                      4. strannik1985
                        strannik1985 10 November 2019 10: 54
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                        One thing I can say for sure - it won’t break out with us

                        I do not deny that I could be wrong, moreover, I would be glad of my mistake, however, at the state level, thinking is different - in order not to "flare up", efforts must be made in different areas, including the Armed Forces.
                      5. de_monSher
                        de_monSher 10 November 2019 11: 05
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                        make efforts in various fields, including in the Armed Forces


                        Hmm. The largest military budget among the countries of Central Asia is Uzbekistan. Service in the army is prestigious to such an extent that they give a bribe TO SERVE, and not to evade. Yes, there is enough "oakiness" - but that's what it and the Army are for ... *)) The landfill economy is maintained at the level, the other day we passed the army combined-arms training ground. The whole spectrum of military schools - from combined arms and rear, to tank and aviation. The first nuclear power plant in SA and Kazakhstan is planned for us. Yes, the Aviation Enterprise was removed from the city - it's a pity. But as far as I know, they are planning to create a joint aircraft production with Russia and production of armored vehicles and small arms in the region. Machine building was raised from scratch. The infrastructure has not only been preserved, but also improved. What else do you need so that you do not "worry" too much from the outside? *))
                      6. strannik1985
                        strannik1985 10 November 2019 11: 15
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                        Again, the conversation began with a response to the comment of the user "Evil 55". I am calm about the state of the Armed Forces of Uzbekistan, I have enough worries about my "economy".
                      7. de_monSher
                        de_monSher 10 November 2019 11: 27
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                        Well, you must admit, you would also start getting angry if I started rolling a barrel towards Russia = which I never do, by the way - I can "bite" a particular person without mixing in the Country =. You are simply trying to operate on information that is outdated a long time ago. The Meskhetian Turks are the same - yes, there was a conflict in the 89th. Yes, some of them were taken to Russia, to Ukraine - there they also staged bloody conflicts. You didn't know that, did you? Now there are 10-15 thousand of them in Uzbekistan - and for some reason there are no conflicts. You don't even know that, I think? The 90s were very turbulent years - they were, and thank God - ended. Now talking about national conflicts in Uzbekistan is the same as talking about widespread drug addiction in penguin colonies in Antarctica ... *))) There are no such conflicts, just these conflicts. Yes, even a language issue. When you are in contact, for example, with the police, it does not matter where you will be asked - in WHAT language to speak to you - in Russian, Uzbek. And let them try with you, for example, Russian, to speak Uzbek - they'll get the fuck out of their place ... Because the office work is the same, and the business is practically all in Russian ... *))) Something like this ...
                      8. strannik1985
                        strannik1985 10 November 2019 11: 38
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                        Not at all, simply because there are a lot of such people (who do not like Russia), and there is no such place on the Internet to convince anyone of something, too often the parties have principled positions.
                        It does not matter what a person thinks, it is important that he knows what he is building his arguments on.
                      9. de_monSher
                        de_monSher 10 November 2019 11: 47
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                        I always say what I saw, I see, what I know and what I experienced ... The 90s, they hit everyone hard - and our nationalists "started up". But then they were tidied up pretty quickly and steeply to the nail. The past of our "Pope", the deceased, had a very tough disposition. Decisions made extremely tough - times were like that. So by the beginning of the century, he dispersed all this nationalist trash well. And in 2005, he harshly suppressed the revolution in Andijan, at the root, he imprisoned the Relegeoznikov, still in prisons there is an extremely tough attitude towards such personnel. And he gave Amers a kick, a good one - the base, which he himself let in, thinking that they would deal with Afgan - he threw theirs out of the country.
                      10. de_monSher
                        de_monSher 10 November 2019 18: 20
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                        EliyorBeK (EliyorBeK) Today, 12:36

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                        Do not tell tales that you don’t know anything about pogroms on ethnic grounds in 89-90 with Meskhit Turks. About the victims. And there were not a few of them.

                        In 2010, IK didn’t have the guts to help thousands of people (he thought everything that was happening with the neighbors is bad, it is against us, etc.)
                        How many thousands of lives he could save then!
                        People were waiting for the supposedly come RU and save, but no.

                        Speaking about the situation now, not everything is as rosy as you say.
                        Hokims, a sharp increase in the dollar against the national currency, the rapid growth of corruption, censorship. Some experts on corruption say that even with IR there was no such level of corruption.
                        And on TV, wherever the Holy One goes, everyone lights up, they don’t talk about problems. They show how everything is good compared to the USSR and how good it is after IR.

                        If I'm wrong, then refute.


                        Look here - the opinion of the average man in the street in Uzbekistan. I am absolutely sure - if you remind him of the USSR, he will start spitting, slightly = Or maybe I am mistaken - then, I apologize to him =. He probably "loves" capitalism - but for some reason he does not want to accept the backbone of capitalism - corruption. He is a patriot - he wants his country to prosper. But he does not accept what we have now, they "shock" liberated the market - sell products abroad as you want. Here are our products, flew to you, to Kazakhstan - and as a result, inflation since the beginning of the year is about 15 percent, high prices. "Uuuuuuuuu ... horror, horror! Bad president." Further - Yes, and that president then, IK (Islam Karimov), turns out to be bad -
                        In 2010, IK didn’t have the guts to help thousands of people (he thought everything that was happening with the neighbors is bad, it is against us, etc.)
                        - "he did not teach the evil Kirghiz a lesson, he was afraid." Remember what I told you above about the conflict in 2010? And Islam, then Karimov, just behaved wisely without interfering, in fact. What could he do? Unleash a war or what? Nafig who needs it? About the conflict with the Meskhetian Turks, he probably also has his own opinion - "the Meskhatin Turks staged a massacre." But here, too, the truth is somewhere in between. In the massacre there is no right, there is no guilty - there is only blood, everyone has red color, and that's all ... Your right to talk about this and that. But people also have a duty - to find out the truth, and THEN only to broadcast, to reason. Is not it?
            2. Eliyorbeck
              Eliyorbeck 10 November 2019 12: 36
              -1
              Do not tell tales that you don’t know anything about pogroms on ethnic grounds in 89-90 with Meskhit Turks. About the victims. And there were not a few of them.

              In 2010, IK didn’t have the guts to help thousands of people (he thought everything that was happening with the neighbors is bad, it is against us, etc.)
              How many thousands of lives he could save then!
              People were waiting for the supposedly come RU and save, but no.

              Speaking about the situation now, not everything is as rosy as you say.
              Hokims, a sharp increase in the dollar against the national currency, the rapid growth of corruption, censorship. Some experts on corruption say that even with IR there was no such level of corruption.
              And on TV, wherever the Holy One goes, everyone lights up, they don’t talk about problems. They show how everything is good compared to the USSR and how good it is after IR.

              If I'm wrong, then refute.
              1. de_monSher
                de_monSher 10 November 2019 12: 38
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                Corruption is the foundation of capitalism. Will we abolish capitalism with you, no? *))) I wrote about pogroms in the 90s above - you are a little off topic ...
    2. de_monSher
      de_monSher 10 November 2019 07: 46
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      Imagine how much they taught these rocketers ..


      = Grinned = ... My friend, your statements sometimes make you want to express themselves like the Strugatskys - "Voldemar, stop strumming!" You guys seem to yourself so smart, smart, at times - bending your fingers, blowing snot bubbles - trying to reason, about - "limitrophe states ... vital interests ... beyond the Afghan river ... the Middle East mentality ..." (!!! öpsel-mopsel, did you study geography at school, at least?) and blah-blah-blah, three rubles. But in fact, Eugene, your - specifically your education = I will emphasize this very moment - we are talking about you, and not about all Russians =, does not give you the opportunity, and even more so - the right, to speculate even about maintenance air rifle, for example, the Turkish HATSAN S55. You do not even try to "PRESENT" - it is NOT YOURS. Your analytical mind is not yet ripe for this ... *))) Our technical, military specialists and special services belong to that old, Soviet school and, thank God, they have not lost their competence ... *))) Approximately So...
      1. Evil 55
        Evil 55 10 November 2019 08: 28
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        I will not go about the number of diplomas and the time devoted to serving in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation .. But the doctor of technical sciences has been around for quite a long time .. I would like to hear now the opinion of the opponent.
        1. de_monSher
          de_monSher 10 November 2019 08: 49
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          devoted to service in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation .. But the doctor of technical sciences for quite some time


          Respect to you. But, you see, this does not give you the right to arrogance, no? My education is Applied Mathematician, Mechanic. After Univer - for some time he wore epaulets, special business trips, etc. Military family, Father - Officer of the Soviet Army, Army Intelligence - Colonel, an old-school communist. So I had such karma - I didn’t get rid of the epaulettes, especially since the Tajiks started a war at that time. He himself was engaged in the beginning, as a student, in nuclear safety projects. Then he spread to the field of Mathematical Biology. Defended in England. I love my country, Uzbekistan - just as you hope to love Russia. But Russia, and other countries of the former USSR, are quite native - a bunch of relatives and friends everywhere. Now I am ready to listen to your opinion ... *))
          1. Evil 55
            Evil 55 10 November 2019 08: 59
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            soldier drinks Fighting friendship unites states ..
            1. de_monSher
              de_monSher 10 November 2019 09: 06
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              And we didn’t disconnect, never. Russia will have problems = in the security sphere - not in business. Business, hucksterhood, it does not unite but only disconnects = - believe me, we will come to the rescue, definitely ... *)) We are neighbors, historically - with a common history and our interests are similar - peace, cooperation, security, prosperity for all. .. *)
  19. Ali Kokand
    Ali Kokand 10 November 2019 20: 05
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    Our "big brothers" still think that we cannot deal with the AK 74. Well, well. Yes, and Mon Cher does not need to prove anything to anyone, still do not prove it. Is it worth it? And somehow we will deal with the Berdanks and Mosinks, and then the air defense system
    1. de_monSher
      de_monSher 10 November 2019 20: 51
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      we’ll figure out the berdanks and mosinki


      Uuuuuuu ... Berdan No. 2 - the beast is a car ... *)))) But Karamyltyk is still better. Reliable, heavy - if you can brush it off, from a platoon of soldiers ... *))))