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Kiev and Donetsk began the withdrawal of forces and weapons in the area of ​​Petrovsky

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The Kiev security forces and the People’s Police of the DPR began a simultaneous withdrawal of forces and assets from the demarcation line in the Petrovsky district. The beginning of the withdrawal of personnel and weapons from the demarcation line was recorded by representatives of the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission.


Kiev and Donetsk began the withdrawal of forces and weapons in the area of ​​Petrovsky


The Armed Forces of Ukraine and the NM of the DPR began a separation of forces near Petrovsky. Three days are given for the entire operation, after which the parties must notify the end of the OSCE, whose observers will record this in the reports. Then, demining and dismantling of fortifications will begin in the area, for which 25 days are allocated.

According to reports, the Ukrainian security forces and the people's police are moving away from the contact line at about 600 meters - 1 km, where they will occupy positions. In the zone of the separation of forces of armed people should not be.

The completion of the allotment near Petrovsky should be final in three security zones - at Zolotoy, Petrovsky and Stanitsa Lugansk. The agreement on their creation was reached by representatives of Ukraine, the LPR, the DPR, Russia and the OSCE as early as September 2016. Earlier it was reported that the separation of forces on the contact line in the Donbass is a condition for the summit of the "Norman Four".

Earlier, the head of the DPR Denis Pushilin, following the head of the LPR, Leonid Pasechnik, warned that the proposal of the US Chargé d'Affaires of Ukraine William Taylor to introduce Ukrainian police and the National Guard to the security zones would lead to the breakdown of agreements and the return of the People’s Police to their previous positions.

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  1. 210ox
    210ox 9 November 2019 14: 42
    +4
    Tear it all Natsik.
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 9 November 2019 15: 23
      +4
      Quote: 210ox
      Tear it all Natsik

      I'm afraid of another. They will crawl under the "sly" into the breeding zone and seize the territory. What are the OSCE observers to them? They invented a satellite, and a helicopter ... wassat
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 9 November 2019 15: 59
        -1
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        I'm afraid of another. They will crawl under the "sly" into the breeding zone and seize the territory. What are the OSCE observers to them?

        I am also practically SURE of this! Good all this for the DLNR will not end. No.

        The OSCE always included foreigners who did not see the Ukrainian military equipment at point blank range and did not hear shelling from the APU.
        And, for sure, even now the very same foreigners enter the OSCE - American and Ukrainian intelligence agents!

        On the picture. The OSCE mission and JCCC officers came under mortar fire from the Armed Forces, but this did not appear in their reports.
        1. Mountain shooter
          Mountain shooter 9 November 2019 16: 10
          +1
          Quote: Tatiana
          The OSCE always included foreigners who did not see the Ukrainian military equipment at point blank range and did not hear shelling from the APU.

          I especially liked the picture of tanks in Avdeevka and among them OSCE jeeps!
          1. Antares
            Antares 9 November 2019 16: 13
            0
            Quote: Mountain Shooter
            Quote: Tatiana
            The OSCE always included foreigners who did not see the Ukrainian military equipment at point blank range and did not hear shelling from the APU.

            I especially liked the picture of tanks in Avdeevka and among them OSCE jeeps!

            they described this picture in detail in their report, and wrote that it was contrary to the agreements.
            There are no complaints against the OSCE. There are a lot of claims to fake information.
            Everyone has done a scapegoat with the OSCE. And to their credit, they are the most sane source of information, unlike all parties that lie to everyone.
            1. Lord of the Sith
              Lord of the Sith 9 November 2019 17: 11
              +1
              To honor oyvsyo? You personally communicated with these clowns, do you know about them?
              You are a funny person))
            2. Tatyana
              Tatyana 9 November 2019 19: 04
              +2
              Quote: Antares
              There are no complaints against the OSCE. There are a lot of claims to fake information.

              I remember how the OSCE observers "reported".
              The DLNR complained that OSCE observers are sitting quietly in hotels, enjoying business trips in cafes and bars.
              According to the reports of local residents about the shelling by their units of the Armed Forces, the OSCE observers are reluctant to go to the places of shelling or do not leave at all - and in the reports they say that the Armed Forces did not fire at anyone or that the APU only responded to shelling by the LDNRs themselves and that the number of shellings from the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces by observers is also an OSCE understated.

              The number of shelling of the territory of the DLNR by the Armed Forces of the OSCE has always been underestimated.

              It came to scandals with the requirements of the DLNR, so that the CFE would get out and the OSCE mission was closed on the DLNR, since confidential data of the OSCE about the positions of the DLNR troops were provided to the AFU command, followed by increased shelling of these positions by the AFU.
              After this scandal, this video appeared with the head of the observers of the OSCE mission. Significantly went to talk with residents on the ground!

              Residents of Donetsk told the OSCE about their lives under constant shelling of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. 20 Jul. 2017
        2. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 9 November 2019 18: 08
          +1
          Such a staged photo that already streams.
          You cannot be so naive.
    2. Sergey Averchenkov
      Sergey Averchenkov 9 November 2019 18: 06
      +1
      Or maybe I'll rip off. Well, not so my son. I am here now, and my son is there. I don’t like all these agreements - everything will go along the beaten track ... they will betray me again.
    3. Lelek
      Lelek 11 November 2019 00: 34
      0
      Quote: 210ox
      Tear it all Natsik.

      hi
      In "Vesti" they showed a video during the "divorce" - the OSCE controllers recorded 12 cannon shots from the Ukrainian Armed Forces. This is how Banderopithecs comply with the agreements. I bet breeding and silence won't last a week.
  2. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 9 November 2019 14: 42
    +4
    The case is going to freeze the conflict by analogy with Transnistria.
    1. Black_Vatnik
      Black_Vatnik 9 November 2019 14: 51
      +1
      I do not see an analogy at all. There were logistical difficulties with Transnistria. With LDNR, Russia does not have such difficulties.
    2. Nikolay Ivanov_5
      Nikolay Ivanov_5 9 November 2019 15: 00
      +1
      a bad world is better than a good war
      1. 210ox
        210ox 9 November 2019 15: 40
        0
        I do not agree. A thin world with those who seek to destroy you?
        1. sniperino
          sniperino 9 November 2019 17: 38
          +2
          Quote: 210ox
          A thin world with those who seek to destroy you?
          Many who wanted to destroy us before and many want now, but Wishlist has not yet grown. So what to fight with everyone, to do something else?
    3. Amateur
      Amateur 9 November 2019 15: 27
      +4
      The case is going to freeze the conflict by analogy with Transnistria.

      And what do you dislike? They don’t shoot or kill there. Or is it closer to you with the Gaza Strip?
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 9 November 2019 15: 56
        +4
        Quote: Amateur
        The case is going to freeze the conflict by analogy with Transnistria.

        And what do you dislike? They don’t shoot or kill there. Or is it closer to you with the Gaza Strip?

        And who told you that I do not like it? request
  3. Mik1701
    Mik1701 9 November 2019 14: 46
    0
    How in this case (without the police and the National Guard, or joint patrols) to combat looting?
    1. 210ox
      210ox 9 November 2019 14: 48
      +4
      So if there are no marauders from the "National Guard"? Here you will be happy.
    2. asv363
      asv363 9 November 2019 15: 23
      +1
      The disengagement of forces and equipment at section No. 3 Petrovskoye - Bogdanovka is carried out on an area of ​​4-6 square meters. km. Who will loot there - will a neighbor steal a bottle of moonshine from a neighbor? In addition, there is no power structure in the DPR called "National Guard".
      1. 210ox
        210ox 9 November 2019 15: 28
        0
        Well, you perfectly understood who I mean, calling the marauders from the National Guard.
        1. asv363
          asv363 9 November 2019 15: 33
          +2
          Dmitry, of course, understood. Wrote for Mik1701.
          1. Mik1701
            Mik1701 9 November 2019 18: 22
            -1
            War is always dirt, blood and looting on both sides.
  4. asv363
    asv363 9 November 2019 14: 51
    +4
    According to reports, the Ukrainian security forces and the people's police are moving away from the contact line by about 600 meters - 1 km, where they will occupy positions.

    In a good way, VFU should move further times in 2, since in the year 2016 they occupied the first line of defense of the DPR NM. Also, after breeding.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 9 November 2019 15: 32
      +2
      Quote: asv363
      In a good way, VFU should move further times in 2, since in the year 2016 they occupied the first line of defense of the DPR NM. Also, after breeding.

      Here next time they again climb up to a kilometer, and so on.
      1. asv363
        asv363 9 November 2019 15: 40
        +2
        This is what the residents of the village of Petrovskoe are afraid of. It is not the DPR that comes and captures the "gray zones".
    2. Antares
      Antares 9 November 2019 16: 15
      -4
      Quote: asv363
      In a good way, VFU should move further times in 2, since in the year 2016 they occupied the first line of defense of the DPR NM. Also, after breeding.

      there, both sides do not want to part with "battle trophies" in the form of territories. Some are from Debaltseve, others are with a gray zone.
      1. asv363
        asv363 9 November 2019 16: 45
        0
        I think it would be better to deploy troops in Zaitsevo instead of Petrovsky. There, at one end of your village, ours. Now in the reports they began to write about your shelling from Zaitsevo (northern) to Zaitsevo (southern).
    3. sniperino
      sniperino 9 November 2019 17: 44
      +1
      Quote: asv363
      in 2016, they occupied the first line of defense of the DPR NM.
      Maybe now it’s somehow better monitored?
      1. asv363
        asv363 9 November 2019 18: 44
        +1
        The first time will be monitored closely, with everything, including the OSCE SMM. Only if again the VFU climbs forward in this area, what weapons will the NM DNR be allowed to use?
  5. knn54
    knn54 9 November 2019 15: 00
    -6
    They will establish the mass of video cameras, and the distance (to 1 km.) Makes it possible to quickly respond to the situation.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 9 November 2019 15: 33
      +2
      Quote: knn54
      They will establish the mass of video cameras, and the distance (to 1 km.) Makes it possible to quickly respond to the situation.

      As they say in Odessa "Oh! I beg you".
    2. Karabin
      Karabin 9 November 2019 17: 27
      +1
      Quote: knn54
      makes it possible to quickly respond to the situation.

      Express concern? Complain to the UN?
  6. bbtcs
    bbtcs 9 November 2019 15: 18
    -3
    So that's great. Mars must be conquered, but here everything is "Ukraine", "Ukraine".
  7. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 9 November 2019 15: 30
    +4
    Divorce, but not strength, but suckers! They lit up in Zolotoy, and increased it in neighboring points. So with the shelling. And so, you can cheerfully report, - it remains to breed, all that over a distance of 400 km.
  8. NF68
    NF68 9 November 2019 15: 59
    0
    Once again, 100 horses will at least violate all agreements.
  9. capsid
    capsid 9 November 2019 16: 31
    0
    Quote: Tatiana
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    I'm afraid of another. They will crawl under the "sly" into the breeding zone and seize the territory. What are the OSCE observers to them?

    I am also practically SURE of this! Good all this for the DLNR will not end. No.

    The OSCE always included foreigners who did not see the Ukrainian military equipment at point blank range and did not hear shelling from the APU.
    And, for sure, even now the very same foreigners enter the OSCE - American and Ukrainian intelligence agents!

    On the picture. The OSCE mission and JCCC officers came under mortar fire from the Armed Forces, but this did not appear in their reports.

    Everything is fixed, just reports of OSCE observers for the leadership of the OSCE. hi
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 9 November 2019 18: 43
      0
      Quote: capsid
      Everything is fixed, just reports of OSCE observers for the leadership of the OSCE.

      I remember how the OSCE observers "reported".
      The DLNR complained that OSCE observers are sitting quietly in hotels, enjoying business trips in cafes and bars.
      According to reports of local residents about the shelling of their APU, observers go to the places of shelling reluctantly or do not leave at all - and in the reports they write that the APU did not fire at anyone or that the APU only responded to shelling by the LDNR themselves and that the number of shellings by the APU by them underestimated.
      The number of shelling of the territory of the DLNR by the Armed Forces of the OSCE has always been underestimated.
      It came to scandals with demands that the CFE be removed and that the OSCE mission be closed, since confidential data of the OSCE on the positions of DLNR troops were provided to the AFU command with increased shelling by the AFU.

      Residents of Donetsk told the OSCE about their lives under constant shelling of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. 20 Jul. 2017
      1. capsid
        capsid 9 November 2019 19: 32
        +1
        Here the first three minutes of the video say: tomatoes, I'm in a hurry home. the veterinarian and not a word from the one who conducts the shelling. This is just a video. The conflict itself and the essence is not discussed officially, and everything is frozen.
  10. Ros 56
    Ros 56 9 November 2019 17: 13
    +1
    Bred already and how did it end? The same thing will happen now, LDNR would stand for half a year, and there the banderlogs themselves will give cause. Until the Bandera people are crushed, the mess in Ukraine will continue and the time elapsed after the Second World War testifies to this.
  11. Karabin
    Karabin 9 November 2019 17: 41
    +2
    the Ukrainian security forces and the people's militia depart from the contact line by about 600 meters - 1 km, where they will occupy positions.

    According to the interim results of the Minsk-pig agreement and the "Nordman" fuss, after a long positional confrontation, the people's militia units were forced to retreat 600 meters - 1 km.
  12. Karaul14
    Karaul14 9 November 2019 19: 07
    -1
    Most of the commentators immediately show that they did not follow the situation and just give a shit with their comment. This is already 3 in recent months, the separation of forces and there are no special preconditions for it to be thwarted. After the withdrawal of forces, the Normandy Summit is to be held, including with Zelensky and Putin, at which further steps to end the conflict and integrate the LPNR back into Ukraine will be discussed, everything is spelled out in Minsk. Why would the Ukrainian military interfere with this breeding, if it ultimately leads to the transfer of the LPR to the control of Ukraine?
    1. asv363
      asv363 9 November 2019 20: 53
      +2
      As of 19:00 today, there were 15 attacks in the DPR, 6 houses (5 in Gorlovka, 1 in Zaitsevo) were damaged. Used, including 120 mm mortars, prohibited by "Minsk-2", which was signed by Ukraine. Zelensky is against amnesty, which is also in Minsk-2. DPR and LPR will not return anywhere except Russia.
  13. georggy
    georggy 11 November 2019 09: 23
    0
    All this is an old horse’s dream