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South Korea for the first time in history gives Pyongyang refugees "from the north"

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The South Korean authorities handed back to Pyongyang two previously detained northerners, and this is the first such fact since the end of the war on the peninsula in 1953.




Last Saturday, two men at the age of twenty were detained by southerners on a squid fishing vessel in the territorial waters of the Republic of Korea. DPRK refugees are usually granted asylum in the South, however, in this case, investigators quickly found out that the young people killed 16 other crew members before crossing the sea border.

Seoul explained the deportation by saying that such “heinous criminals” cannot be considered refugees under international law.

Although the flight of northerners to South Korea is not uncommon, previously there were many reverse precedents. In particular, in July this year, Choi In Guk, the son of the former head of the South Korean Foreign Ministry, arrived in Pyongyang, who expressed a desire to settle in the North.

In addition, there are so-called "double defectors." These are Koreans who first fled from North to South, and then returned back, unable to adapt to the new capitalist realities.

Currently, according to reports from open sources, there are about 25 thousands of DPRK refugees living in South Korea.
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  1. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 8 November 2019 11: 44
    +15
    young men killed 16 other crew members before crossing the maritime border.
    But what kind of people are they after that ... request
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 8 November 2019 11: 49
      +13
      Something tells me that no one will be left alive from the crew of the ship at all ...
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 8 November 2019 11: 57
        +6
        I do not know if the DPRK has the death penalty ... but for the sake of such "people" it simply has to be.
        1. parkello
          parkello 8 November 2019 12: 04
          +10
          there is of course, and it shines for them just like the sun in spring. the truth is there is not an electric chair. but ordinary shooting. but the death penalty is not uncommon there. as in China by the way.
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 8 November 2019 21: 49
            +3
            Electric chair, like a gas chamber - livestock.
            And even if there are such disgusting criminals that they are not sorry, it is worth pity the executioners. If a person has not hardened his soul, it hurts to see other people's suffering. And if hardened - this should be isolated from society and treated.
            The shooting, with all its bloody surroundings, is much more humane - once, that's all.
            1. parkello
              parkello 8 November 2019 22: 16
              0
              The shooting is certainly more humane. Especially considering the sophistication of Asians to torture and painful deaths. the Inquisition there nervously on the sidelines smoked and asked - and what could have happened?))
              1. Shurik70
                Shurik70 8 November 2019 23: 14
                0
                It is worth sharing when torture or painful death is deliberately used, and when there is no alternative at all.
                One, when a criminal is specifically sentenced to "execution in an anthill", and quite another, when they would prefer to be executed without torture, but are forced to put him on the electric chair, because there is no alternative.
                1. parkello
                  parkello 8 November 2019 23: 28
                  -1
                  I know that if they cannot kill him publicly, then he will be killed in secret ... the decision kills, to take his life. and everything else is just a tool, or a tool ... which may even be a word spoken in his address. people do not understand that each person is measured, how much he is allowed to "play naughty". as soon as he crosses the line, his fate has already been decided. and I do not care at all how he dies. he crossed the line, he has already died .. there, overstepping everything, he just does not know that he is already dead. and it doesn't matter what he did, killed the children and the elderly, or robbed them of their daily bread and doomed them not to starvation. he crossed the threshold of permissibility. violated the laws. he could kill 15 and nothing happened to him, but as soon as he kills the 16th ... the lid slammed shut, or rather hung over him. and if she hangs, then slam. for any.
        2. Greenwood
          Greenwood 8 November 2019 15: 12
          -5
          Quote: Thunderbolt
          I do not know whether there is a death penalty in the DPRK
          The DPRK is a totalitarian state that has much in common with the Stalinist USSR. And of course the death penalty is there. And labor camps too.
          1. Glory1974
            Glory1974 8 November 2019 22: 48
            +3
            a totalitarian state that has much in common with the Stalinist USSR. And of course the death penalty is there. And labor camps too.

            Horrible! but I thought that the United States is a beacon of democracy! And they have the death penalty, and not only labor camps, but the whole labor army was in the years of crisis. belay
            1. GibSoN
              GibSoN 9 November 2019 18: 09
              -1
              Horrible! but I thought that the United States is a beacon of democracy!
              And if, well, purely hypothetically, to exclude the United States from History in general, do you personally have anything to talk about and what to say on this issue?
              1. Glory1974
                Glory1974 10 November 2019 18: 14
                0
                there is something to talk about and what to say on this issue?

                Of course. If you do not attract about and without Stalin and the Gulag, you can quite pleasantly debate.
        3. English tarantas
          English tarantas 8 November 2019 16: 25
          -7
          There are, but such people are no reason to impose the death penalty. On the contrary, such acts and the death penalty are one consequence of one reason. And so that there are no such terrible shoots for the sake of the opportunity to live normally, you need to change your life at home.
          1. Amin_vivec
            Amin_vivec 8 November 2019 21: 51
            +5
            Familiar voices !!!
            WHAT? Normal liberal position, 16 people were killed for bread and butter ... and, you see ... IT'S SAME CHILDREN ... IT'S A GUILTY SYSTEM ...
            Liberals in the West already offer children to eat ...
            Complete brain degradation ...
            1. English tarantas
              English tarantas 9 November 2019 16: 51
              -5
              16 people were killed for bread and butter

              I wonder have you ever starved? I’ve been here a little, a few days, but I never want to, and somewhere I heard that the grandfathers, some of us, did this for the sake of devouring, that it’s better not to remember once again.
              IT'S THE SAME CHILDREN ... IT'S A GUILTY SYSTEM ...

              Why is this vyser? Yes, I believe that this is the system to blame, the system that made the construction battalion out of half the country in the worst sense of the word, and the other half this construction battalion is struggling. Since the end of the war in Korea, South has built one of the most powerful economies in the world, socialist China has built a second economy in the world, and what North Korea built, a missile with a bomb, these are successes. Only rockets cannot be eaten, cannot be dressed, repairs cannot be made in an apartment in which there is enough space for the family, you cannot go where you want at the weekend, and not at the next parade in honor of the next Kim, you can’t watch the movie on the racket, just because it is not Korean , you can’t find out how relatives are doing in a couple of tens of kilometers.
              Complete brain degradation

              Maybe you? Groundless comments, for the sake of groundless condemnation of my point of view, I do not like - argue why I'm wrong.
              1. Amin_vivec
                Amin_vivec 10 November 2019 01: 13
                0
                And now I don’t even know what arguments you can bring. If you seriously consider it possible to kill 16 people in order to escape from the motherland, where mother, father remain ... Find an excuse for these people ...
                We have coordinatedly different value systems.
                It is clear that the DPRK is a concentration camp, but these 16 people are the same prisoners as these two, they just were more afraid for their loved ones, therefore they were killed
                ...
          2. Glory1974
            Glory1974 8 November 2019 22: 52
            +1
            such acts and the death penalty are one consequence of one reason. And so that there are no such terrible shoots for the sake of the opportunity to live normally, you need to change your life at home.

            So here it is! I thought that serial killers and maniacs are a psychological deviation, but it turns out that they just want to live in another country. Chikatilo probably wanted in the USA, and American maniacs in the USSR (RF). Small business, how to combine it?
            1. English tarantas
              English tarantas 9 November 2019 16: 38
              -4
              I thought that serial killers and maniacs are a psychological deviation, but it turns out that they just want to live in another country.

              What? And how is a person connected with a serious mental illness with a person who kills because he is afraid to return to a country where he has nothing to eat, and they can shoot him for almost anything? Can you compare the best snipers in history with chikatilo, they killed more people, are they maniacs, or were they forced to kill? Sometimes there are situations when killing is one of the solutions. Yes, this is terrible, but will you blame all people for it? There will not be enough prisons, or ammunition, or ropes, as you prefer?
              1. Glory1974
                Glory1974 10 November 2019 18: 20
                -1
                how is a person connected with a serious mental illness with a person who kills because he is afraid to return to a country where he has nothing to eat, and they can shoot him for almost anything?

                The fact is that the criminals do not have any serious mental illnesses, basically they are all recognized by psychiatrists as sane. But among the people, these individuals are considered "non-humans", "beasts", etc. because, due to some deviations, they consider it possible to kill other people.
                Therefore, there is no and cannot be justification for the murder, especially the mass one. Millions of people live normally, units are those who are going to kill. each has its own reason, and you want to eat, and eat better than the rest, etc. etc. But it is impossible to justify the killing.
                About snipers, I believe that you joked unsuccessfully.
                1. English tarantas
                  English tarantas 10 November 2019 22: 03
                  -1
                  The fact is that criminals do not have any serious mental illnesses.

                  It was about maniacs and serial numbers, want to say that with people regularly killing everything is in order? Practice shows that no, the roof goes to everyone before or after the killings.
                  About snipers, I believe that you joked unsuccessfully.

                  No kidding, since you think that
                  it is impossible to justify the killing.

                  It’s also impossible to justify people who are carrying out a duty, killing it is killing, and whatever it is, it’s possible to earn money, to escape, to defend the homeland, to take away life, and to justify it.
                  If 5 people try to kill you, but defending yourself you kill them, would you shoot yourself?
                  1. Glory1974
                    Glory1974 11 November 2019 20: 13
                    0
                    It was about maniacs and serial numbers, want to say that with people regularly killing everything is in order?

                    Psychiatrists say that they are in order, they are sane and give an account of their actions.
                    it’s also impossible to justify people who are doing duty, it is murder and murder, and no matter what it does not justify: make money, escape, protect the homelandtake life is always killing

                    I have no words. It seems that you ........... fool
                    The sniper is called a sniper, not a murderer, and receives orders from the country. this is not murder, this is the defense of the Motherland. If you don’t understand, read the Geneva and Hague Conventions "Rules of War", there it is written in black and white who can and cannot be killed and why. But before that, read the basic concepts of the criminal code, there are also briefly definitions of what is considered a crime and their classification.
                    If 5 people try to kill you, but defending yourself you kill them, would you shoot yourself?

                    If you did this in the war, you will receive the Medal of Courage.
                    If in a peaceful life, they will judge and determine whether you violated the limits of self-defense or not.
          3. Polymer
            Polymer 9 November 2019 08: 05
            +2
            Quote: English tarantass
            And so that there are no such terrible shoots for the sake of the opportunity to live normally,

            And when in the USA a teenager comes to school and kills a certain number of children - for what? Or is the "totalitarian regime of the DPRK" also to blame for this?
            1. English tarantas
              English tarantas 9 November 2019 16: 32
              -3
              What does bullying have to do with modern schools? What is your cereal in your head, mixed cold with green?
              1. Polymer
                Polymer 9 November 2019 21: 53
                +2
                Quote: English tarantass
                What does bullying have to do with modern schools?

                Both there and there - massacres. They have no excuses, and to drag in a "totalitarian regime" is just a mess in my head, and a liberal one at that.
                1. English tarantas
                  English tarantas 10 November 2019 00: 10
                  -3
                  massacres. They have no excuses

                  Ah, you would know about the state of affect, you will never be either a judge or an investigator.
                  1. Polymer
                    Polymer 10 November 2019 00: 12
                    +1
                    Quote: English tarantass
                    You will never be either a judge or an investigator.

                    That's for sure. I never dreamed.
                    1. English tarantas
                      English tarantas 10 November 2019 00: 17
                      -3
                      But hurry to judge, so quickly and eagerly that there is no thought, and suddenly everything is not as you thought. Actually, one of the reasons for the moratorium on the death penalty is the presence of people like you. An innocent convict can be released home, but there is no innocent executed.
                      1. Polymer
                        Polymer 10 November 2019 00: 23
                        +2
                        Quote: English tarantass
                        An innocent convict can be released home, but there is no innocent executed.

                        As for the "innocence" of the heroes of this article, this is not my decision or vision. Even the South Korean authorities agreed here. So, because of them, too, a moratorium ?! request
            2. English tarantas
              English tarantas 9 November 2019 16: 32
              -4
              What does bullying have to do with modern schools? What is your cereal in your head, mixed cold with green?
    2. PalBor
      PalBor 8 November 2019 12: 28
      +6
      That's exactly what people are. Beasts are unlikely to do so. Is that crazy.
  2. Invoce
    Invoce 8 November 2019 11: 44
    +5
    Who needs criminals? You won’t make any fighters with the Kimov regime ... it’s better to return the slag back
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 8 November 2019 11: 47
    +10
    Korea needs to normalize relations. In any case, this will benefit the divided people.
    1. parkello
      parkello 8 November 2019 12: 06
      +8
      they need to cooperate. let it remain if everyone wants to live their own way, but joint ventures must be created. adopt technology and technology. follow a different development scenario.
    2. antivirus
      antivirus 8 November 2019 12: 45
      0
      do they have one common smoke?
      gas and coal give different emissions - different and homeland
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 8 November 2019 13: 18
        +5
        It is not up to us and no one else to decide ... we will figure it out ourselves.
        1. Amin_vivec
          Amin_vivec 8 November 2019 21: 54
          +1
          You are a naive person))) they themselves would have figured it out for a long time))))) The trick is that they themselves have not solved anything there for a long time))))
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 8 November 2019 23: 20
            0
            Quote: Amin_Vivec
            The trick is that they themselves there for a long time do not solve anything

            The chips there are different ... but all too early it can only be changed by the peoples themselves and no leaders or outside forces will be able to prevent this forever. The whole history of mankind proves that nothing can be eternal.
            1. Amin_vivec
              Amin_vivec 10 November 2019 01: 22
              0
              Neither the US, nor Japan, nor China needs a strong united Korea with nuclear technology and a powerful economy. So far, this will not change the unification of the Koreans))) There is nothing more permanent than temporary)))
              And the history of mankind just says that it is easier to separate peoples than to connect them back (for example, China-Taiwan, Russian-Ukrainian-Belarusians, Arab states, India-Pakistan, the peoples of Yugoslavia ...)
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 10 November 2019 07: 35
                0
                Wishlist of all sorts of different separators always break off about the desire of the people to unite .... not direct, direct, tomorrow, but this will happen.
  4. faterdom
    faterdom 8 November 2019 11: 50
    +2
    Quote: Thunderbolt
    young men killed 16 other crew members before crossing the maritime border.
    But what kind of people are they after that ... request

    Now the investigation will find out that the rest of the crew forced these two to clean the latrine and promised to rape. And the prosecutor's office Kim Jong-un will believe and forgive. And the Committee of North Korean Mothers will bail and feed. And journalists will vying with each other to take interviews ... condemning, of course, the "damned Kimov regime" in newspapers financed from the DPRK budget.
    1. Nycomed
      Nycomed 8 November 2019 12: 23
      -1
      But this is - no. In Korea, Pukov treat criminals very harshly. Most likely the death penalty. Somehow, about 20 years ago I watched a program about foreign prisoners serving sentences in Russia. And the DPRK citizen sitting in our zone, I don’t remember why, I won’t lie, I told the journalist that the worst thing for him was the deportation to the DPRK, because he was immediately executed there because in the country of Pukov there are no criminals. And he agreed to sit for life in our zone, if only he would not be sent home.
  5. Nycomed
    Nycomed 8 November 2019 11: 51
    +7
    Southerners have enough of their own criminals, why the hell are they also strangers?
    1. Charik
      Charik 8 November 2019 12: 38
      +1
      what criminals are there, so electronic scammers, there the whole country is under cameras
  6. Charik
    Charik 8 November 2019 12: 34
    +2
    16 were killed together, here are storytellers
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 8 November 2019 12: 47
    +3
    such “heinous criminals” cannot be considered refugees under international law.
    Well, at least they understood it. And these two will soon regret being born. The vile and at the same time tragic story.
  8. Ros 56
    Ros 56 8 November 2019 13: 48
    +3
    It would be better to shoot, it would be humane.
  9. Alex Justice
    Alex Justice 8 November 2019 16: 51
    0
    In addition, there are so-called "double defectors." These are Koreans who first fled from North to South, and then returned back, unable to adapt to the new capitalist realities.

    How many of these 1 - 2 are classified?
  10. Oleg Zorin
    Oleg Zorin 8 November 2019 17: 39
    +1
    All is correct. They do not build their happiness at the expense of other people's lives.