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The explosion of "Poseidon" off the coast of the United States will cause massive panic among the population

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According to the Russian news agency TASS, the Russian fleet is about to begin deploying submarines with special Poseidon submarines. This news could not ignore the Western media. Two of these submarines will be part of the North and Pacific fleet. Each of them will carry up to eight Poseidons. Accordingly, the Navy will be able to simultaneously deploy up to 32 of these devices, calculated The National Interest magazine.




The Poseidon product is a special underwater crewless vehicle with a conventional or thermonuclear warhead with the 2 Mt power, detonated at a depth of thousands of feet. Such an explosion should form a radioactive tsunami capable of destroying cities and infrastructure on the coast. Poseidon will be able to accelerate to 200 km / h, dive to a depth of 1 km and evade interception.

The list of Poseidon’s carriers remains secret. But TASS writes that one of them will be the special submarine Khabarovsk of the 09851 project. Then, several submarines of the Oscar II type (Ave. 949A Antei) will be re-equipped at the Poseidons. Which ships will go for perestroika is unknown.

The lack of information about Poseidon does not interfere with debate and speculation. However, its high fighting qualities are obvious. So, in different sources, the different power of the warhead was mentioned - from 2 to 100 Mt. In any case, the device will be able to destroy the coastal city.


Despite this, Poseidon has no obvious advantages over other components of the nuclear triad. For example, it is inferior to all existing missile systems in terms of speed of striking. The path to the goal and its defeat will take at least a few days.

However, such features provide advantages. The submarine Poseidon complements other delivery vehicles and expands retaliation. A fast underwater vehicle at great depths is almost impossible to intercept. From this perspective, Poseidon is an asymmetric response to US missile defense.

If Poseidon can still be intercepted, its use will still have great consequences. Undermining such an apparatus near the coast of America will provoke a panic among the population and disrupt the work of government agencies and the army. This can be used to cover another offensive operation, the media writes.


Russian media suggest that Poseidon can be used against aircraft carrier strike groups, for which it can be equipped with a conventional warhead. Depending on the complexity and cost of production of underwater vehicles, such a strategy can be very profitable. A Poseidon strike can be cheaper and more effective than anti-ship missile raids.

Finally, Poseidon, as a fundamentally new security threat, will be a convenient argument in arms reduction talks.

However, a new weapon in the form of Poseidon does not have a decisive influence on the development of the Russian nuclear triad. Existing nuclear forces retain their capabilities and provide strategic security. The proposed underwater vehicle only supplements them and gives Russia some strategic benefits.
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  1. Spartanez300
    Spartanez300 8 November 2019 07: 39 New
    10
    "Poseidon" is a good irritant for those who start to scare Russia, which will make them think before taking action. After all, it is not known where and when the submarine will strike with this device, it is likely that it is already under their noses.
    1. Civil
      Civil 8 November 2019 07: 55 New
      -22
      Each of them will carry up to eight Poseidons. Accordingly, the Navy will be able to simultaneously deploy up to 32 of these devices, calculated The National Interest magazine.


      Such articles deliberately incite Russophobia. Since they are presented in the form of "bloodthirsty Russians want to kill everyone." This means they will tighten the sanctions stranglehold. We continue to delight and throw our hats.
      1. Igar
        Igar 8 November 2019 08: 00 New
        +3
        Is the number of Poseidons on the submarine Russophobia? In my opinion, this is a lack of knowledge of the Russian language and a misunderstanding of terms ...
        1. hrych
          hrych 8 November 2019 17: 30 New
          +4
          Quote: IGAR
          The number of Poseidons on the sub

          Of course, Poseidon, as an intercontinental torpedo with unlimited range, does not need a carrier. Although the nuclear submarines Belgorod, Khabarovsk, etc., are somehow redone there.
          Here again the strangeness:
          The path to the goal and its defeat will take at least a few days.
          The author of the article, of course, ignored the Baranets insider, where Poseidon "waits" not far from the target for three years, then for maintenance ... firstly, it is like a weapon of inevitable retaliation, where the response time is not so important, the main thing is that it takes place .... Nooo and the first strike weapon, where the enemy's early warning system is not able to react and give a counter-strike. And yet it gives a chance to attack and destroy the country with impunity, of course in conjunction with other means, because 70-80% of the US strategic forces are the sea, 100% of Britain and France. And unlike ICBMs, this is not a weapon against cities and bases, but a weapon that erases the coast, and accordingly the coastal countries, which are the USA, EU, China, etc.
      2. Vladimir16
        Vladimir16 8 November 2019 08: 02 New
        +6
        Quote: Civil
        So they will drag out the sanction stranglehold. We continue to delight and throw hats.

        Continue to pray in the United States and beg for forgiveness. laughing love

        If the loafer himself, then the termination of feeding (sanctions) for you is like death.

        Try to live with your mind and your work.
      3. Vladimir Androsov
        Vladimir Androsov 8 November 2019 13: 03 New
        +7
        The Anglo-Saxons have spoiled us for more than three hundred years, let them be exposed to them useful.
        1. Alex Justice
          Alex Justice 8 November 2019 17: 52 New
          +1
          No one twitches. The game is such, to frighten the public and demand money for weapons.
      4. Sunstorm
        Sunstorm 9 November 2019 12: 01 New
        +2
        Quote: Civil
        Such articles deliberately incite Russophobia. Since they are presented in the form of "bloodthirsty Russians want to kill everyone." This means they will tighten the sanctions stranglehold. We continue to delight and throw our hats.

        Those aircraft carriers ... and cruisers with tomahawks they will not kill anyone? They will be exclusively humane to bombard .... (seen already somewhere). Weapons for that and came up with what would kill.
      5. Vlad.by
        Vlad.by 10 November 2019 01: 31 New
        0
        Russophobia does not need to be fanned, it is already burning with a blue flame.
        But to give someone a hat with a butt with all the dope - you look and the flame dies. Blather on those who are not afraid or confident in their own roof. And if the roof has worn out and flew in from above - there is respect and desire to bark as it itself disappears.
        Something like this.
        Would you like to talk about this?
    2. Maz
      Maz 8 November 2019 16: 54 New
      +3
      One question for the author, why send him there, at the time of the decision to attack? It is enough to put it in advance on the ground off the coast of the United States, create a protective field for the barrage around the Poseidon, a nuclear battery, a self-destructive device immortalize the product, speed if something moves to a new point. And even if they find they are tortured to run. At the command we send a rocket with a sound emitter. fly no more than a few minutes. Once in the water, the rocket gives a signal to undermine everything. No, for example, New York. If you place 30 such Poseidons along the east and west coast of the United States at certain points, then it will be difficult to find them, all the more harmless and will certainly put pressure on the United States.
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      2. Ehanatone
        Ehanatone 9 November 2019 19: 05 New
        0
        "If you place 30 of these Poseidons along the east and west coast of the United States in"
        naglia, naglia - 3 pieces per naglia, to exactly wash away
  2. 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor 8 November 2019 07: 43 New
    +7
    NI has all been directly reported, where, when, how much, on which media ..
    1. Spartanez300
      Spartanez300 8 November 2019 07: 57 New
      -2
      For which, justify the minuses if it does not complicate, before you put it you need to think about it and not to sculpt someone not later. In my opinion, my comment should not annoy anyone, because it is absolutely innocent. And it would not be bad for the person who is minus to be reflected, I mean, a link popped up.
      1. Hagalaz
        Hagalaz 8 November 2019 08: 11 New
        +3
        Well, you wrote that Poseidon is a good irritant for enemies. Accordingly, for adherents. Here are the cons.
        1. Spartanez300
          Spartanez300 8 November 2019 08: 12 New
          -2
          Now it dawned, plus you from me. fellow
          1. Hagalaz
            Hagalaz 8 November 2019 08: 30 New
            +1
            Well, you see, you’ve annoyed people, and then you’re surprised laughing .
            In general, our presence of such buns can not but rejoice. We all know that we will never use them as aggression, but the vrezhins are empty ten times to think before twitching.
          2. siemens7774
            siemens7774 8 November 2019 08: 57 New
            +1
            And I corrected your karma)) 5-7 liberoid individuals settled here. They have minuses on all topics. This is expected. Last year, I already warned those present about such actions. Especially considering the popularity of the site.
          3. Vlad.by
            Vlad.by 10 November 2019 01: 36 New
            0
            Do not be discouraged! What are your cons? Or is a Marshall star needed? This is not the main thing in life.
      2. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 8 November 2019 08: 13 New
        +1
        why do you answer me? I didn’t put you a minus hi
      3. Evil echo
        Evil echo 8 November 2019 08: 46 New
        +6
        Moderators will not do this
        .
        it would not be bad if the person who is minus

        For a lot of interesting things will come up.
      4. Crash_117
        Crash_117 8 November 2019 10: 19 New
        +3
        You are here comrade for the sake of this here and write, for the sake of +?
        1. Demon_is_ada
          Demon_is_ada 8 November 2019 17: 50 New
          +1
          Most are for communication in the area of ​​interest, share their opinion and accordingly adjust it depending on the information they have gleaned ... But there is one moment in the education of young people - imagine reading "the victim of the exam" incomprehensible words, trying to understand the meaning, thereby compensating for the lack of education, which in itself is very wonderful ... but how can he navigate if there is no specialized knowledge ??? belay Here the "herd reflex" or the approval of society is triggered on a subconscious level, but what is its measure? Only likes and dislikes, alas, this is the reality of today's youth, they commit suicide in social networks for likes, this is not a joke. Likes are perceived as approval and acceptance by society, which is wonderful in itself, a kind of deformed socialization, without which you can't build a state, you can't even create a gang ...
          And the enemies of our society, namely the enemies, use this opportunity to the maximum, this is one type of propaganda along with Hollywood, the voice of America, loudspeakers on the DPRK border ... The information war, however, is already a victim, look at the number of people on YouTube and in other social networks, and this is a direct threat to our peace of mind, security ... The site administration has not yet come up with anything, prohibit totalitarianism, but what about freedom of speech? On the contrary, freedom of opinion and freedom of speech - it is impossible to put either plus or minus without an accompanying short comment laughing Shortening will force you to concretize your thought, develop thinking, which is very charitable, you can complain about comments like "he is a fool", thus the moderators will free themselves from unnecessary work, entrusting their responsibilities to self-regulation among the people laughing Well, the truth is an extra hemorrh technically in the form of increasing disk space, complicating the page code, but I think it's not such a big problem ...
  3. OlezhkaKravchenko
    OlezhkaKravchenko 8 November 2019 07: 52 New
    -14
    Will Americans live tomorrow depends on the will of Russia
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 8 November 2019 08: 10 New
      +7
      Olezhik, just an hour ago they started registering and immediately into battle?
    2. Oyo Sarkazmi
      Oyo Sarkazmi 8 November 2019 11: 20 New
      +6
      Quote: OlezhkaKravchenko
      Will Americans live tomorrow depends on the will of Russia

      They will live. But we will spoil the pleasure of torturing the innocent. Trump came from the basement of the White House, where he ripped off a virgin's skin on Melanie's purse, he felt good at heart, looked out the window at the ocean, and suddenly the thought - what if there is Poseidon? - and that's it, the day is ruined.
  4. Jack O'Neill
    Jack O'Neill 8 November 2019 07: 59 New
    +1
    The explosion of "Poseidon" off the coast of the United States will cause massive panic among the population

    Our population will also be in a panic. Especially in big cities, industrial zones and near military facilities. wink
    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 8 November 2019 09: 52 New
      +1
      Chukchi, Caucasus will survive)))
      1. Jack O'Neill
        Jack O'Neill 8 November 2019 10: 36 New
        +1
        Chukchi, Caucasus will survive)))

        Yeah, and after us they will create their empires.)) Then they will learn from history that there were such countries as Russia and the USA.)
        1. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova 8 November 2019 11: 16 New
          +2
          Chukchi lived in their way 1000 years. and they will continue to live breeding two-headed deer))))
          1. Jack O'Neill
            Jack O'Neill 8 November 2019 11: 20 New
            -1
            Chukchi lived in their way 1000 years. and they will continue to live breeding two-headed deer))))

            So the Chukchi, who unite the whole Earth and fly to Alpha Centauri, our descendants will not see? Sorry...
            1. Nastia makarova
              Nastia makarova 8 November 2019 11: 49 New
              +1
              but there is a chance))))
    2. Horon
      Horon 8 November 2019 11: 00 New
      +3
      By the time Poseidons are used, there will be no one to panic with us! Poseidon is a weapon for writing the last point in the history of civilization! Those who want to destroy us will immediately be behind us in line to God. Therefore: People! Let's live together here so as not to queue there!
  5. rocket757
    rocket757 8 November 2019 08: 04 New
    +9
    Vigorous arguments are not for using them ... this is a factor to prevent attacks on the sovereignty of countries that have taken care to harbor it!
    Let it remain so.
    In short, not a gun, which should eventually shoot.
  6. Vovser
    Vovser 8 November 2019 08: 06 New
    +2
    Not a fig will sow panic. Now death is called that.
  7. Cut Samshitov
    Cut Samshitov 8 November 2019 08: 14 New
    -1
    Quote: IGAR
    Is the number of Poseidons on the submarine Russophobia? In my opinion, this is a lack of knowledge of the Russian language and a misunderstanding of terms ...

    And where are the local iksperds who have proven a million times that Poseidon is just a cartoon?
    1. tlauicol
      tlauicol 8 November 2019 08: 48 New
      +2
      Quote: Cut Samshitov
      Quote: IGAR
      Is the number of Poseidons on the submarine Russophobia? In my opinion, this is a lack of knowledge of the Russian language and a misunderstanding of terms ...

      And where are the local iksperds who have proven a million times that Poseidon is just a cartoon?

      where is Poseidon then? request
      1. stalki
        stalki 8 November 2019 09: 31 New
        -6
        where is Poseidon then?
        And where is the evidence that he is not? laughing and nerves are naughty in some wink
        1. tlauicol
          tlauicol 8 November 2019 09: 42 New
          +2
          Quote: stalki
          where is Poseidon then?
          And where is the evidence that he is not? laughing and nerves are naughty in some wink

          Smart argument
          1. stalki
            stalki 8 November 2019 09: 44 New
            -8
            Smart argument
            But this is not an argument? lol it is a fact.
            1. Crash_117
              Crash_117 8 November 2019 10: 21 New
              +3
              This is balabolstvo on your part, a fact.
              1. Demon_is_ada
                Demon_is_ada 8 November 2019 17: 57 New
                -2
                Do you believe in aliens? I will immediately warn this question test repeat
                1. Sergei71
                  Sergei71 11 November 2019 05: 06 New
                  +1
                  And what is wrong with aliens? Don-2N, December 31, 1990, in particular.
                  1. Demon_is_ada
                    Demon_is_ada 11 November 2019 08: 48 New
                    0
                    Mustache is normal with them, we should live like that laughing It's just a psychological test that shows the maturity and development of intelligence. Firstly, the question itself - believe it or not, is addressed to an infantile nature, the calculation is precisely for this, a successful person does not have a question like that, does he have one? And the answer is most likely this - it most likely exists, the number of objects in the universe gives a high probability of their existence, besides this, the fixation by mankind of a mass of facts showing the existence of intelligent apparatuses and actions that occurred not because of human actions and natural factors ...
                    And if we still have not caught them red-handed, these are our problems and our backwardness laughing Alas...
    2. Ironcity
      Ironcity 8 November 2019 10: 24 New
      -2
      They are probably aware that these articles in NI are paid from the same pocket as RT, so there is essentially nothing to comment on: TASS answered the TASS message. Omeriga in a panic! Poseidons are swimming!
    3. Flatter
      Flatter 8 November 2019 11: 30 New
      0
      So after all, all-missiles, planes, submarines are being tracked already at the construction and testing stage. And is Poseidon in the dock, in the hangar in the workshop or at the tests? Doesn’t it, or maybe there is the only purpose of this cartoon.
      1. Demon_is_ada
        Demon_is_ada 8 November 2019 18: 03 New
        0
        Even if he is not at the moment, he will certainly be. This is facilitated by its invulnerability and complexity of detection, even if they are found, it is very problematic and expensive to get it at such a depth, and this, in turn, is a constraining serious and insurmountable factor. laughing
        Experience in building deep-sea high-speed vehicles, we have an ancient "goldfish", the golden fish was nicknamed it for a reason, although it is titanium, so it is necessary to build a smaller apparatus, which means much cheaper than the actual idea of ​​the poseidon tongue
  8. aszzz888
    aszzz888 8 November 2019 08: 17 New
    0

    Finally, Poseidon, as a fundamentally new security threat, will be a convenient argument in arms reduction talks.

    Armed - they will be afraid.
  9. zxc15682
    zxc15682 8 November 2019 08: 23 New
    +2
    2Mt This is a strong bunch in a puddle. Especially at a depth of 1 km. And no tsunami will be these other orders of energies.
    1. askort154
      askort154 8 November 2019 08: 43 New
      +2
      zxc15682 ...... 2Mt This is a strong bunch in a puddle. Especially at a depth of 1 km. And no tsunami will be these other orders of energies.

      Have you read the article? They mention options - from 2 to 100 MT. yes hi
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 8 November 2019 09: 09 New
        +2
        Quote: askort154
        They mention options - from 2 to 100 MT.

        Yes, drop it! In 2 megatons, I believe ... in 100 ... no!
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 8 November 2019 15: 45 New
          +4
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          Yes, drop it! In 2 megatons, I believe ... in 100 ... no!

          In the USSR, variants of nuclear weapons were considered in 100 Mt, and in 150 Mt. And this was in the 60-s. Technically, a charge of such power can be made, but the question is, why?
          The main striking factor of Poseidon is not the mythical tsunami, but the cobalt shell of the charge, which will poison everything around for many years to come.
          For a tsunami to happen, it is necessary that many factors converge at one point, starting from the topography of the bottom, ending with the depth of the blast, and the distance to the coast.
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 8 November 2019 23: 44 New
            +2
            Quote: NEXUS
            In the USSR, variants of nuclear weapons were considered in 100 Mt, and in 150 Mt. And this was in the 60-s.

            Exactly ... considered! But here, as in the "proverb": "To promise to marry does not mean, in fact, to marry ..." And Khrushchev's "Tsar Bomb" had a capacity of half the "hundred-megaton"! At present, the "hundred-megaton", perhaps, can be created in real life, but, really, why is it necessary? It is a mistake to believe that the "damaging factors" of nuclear weapons increase in arithmetic progression with increasing charge power! And the problems with the creation of a "hundred-megaton" and now will be enough "head over heels", given the modern requirements for the performance characteristics of modern weapons ...
    2. Evil echo
      Evil echo 8 November 2019 08: 50 New
      +1
      Do you know the bottom topography at the place of the blast, where are the faults?
    3. Demon_is_ada
      Demon_is_ada 8 November 2019 18: 07 New
      +5
      For a ship warrant ??? This is 146% of bul, even intact ... There is such a thing - the saturation of water with gas bubbles, steam and a sharp decrease in the strength of Archimedes ... yeah ...
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 8 November 2019 21: 17 New
        +2
        Quote: Demon_is_ada
        There is such a phenomenon - the saturation of water with gas bubbles, steam and a sharp decrease in the strength of Archimedes ...

        Well, something like this. yes Eh, step aside, water is utopis, AUG !!! laughing
  10. tlauicol
    tlauicol 8 November 2019 08: 26 New
    -2
    Quote: Spartanez300
    After all, it is not known where and when the submarine will strike with this device, it will be likely that it is already under their nose.

    and what is the advantage if a rocket after a few minutes shies - where and when is unknown. and not only along the coast, but anywhere in the world. more cheaply and more likely
    1. Evil echo
      Evil echo 8 November 2019 08: 49 New
      +1
      There is an advantage behind that, as well as strategic aviation, there has recently been an article here.
      1. tlauicol
        tlauicol 8 November 2019 08: 52 New
        -3
        Quote: Evil Echo
        There is an advantage behind that, as well as strategic aviation, there has recently been an article here.

        and you definitely read it? then the question is: how to redirect Poseidon? cancel attack? How can its carrier be brought to the border? attack targets deep in the continent?
        he has no advantages over ICBMs
        1. Evil echo
          Evil echo 8 November 2019 12: 48 New
          0
          . Experts believe that the goal of the project is not the revival of the T-15 directly, but the creation of the next, 5th generation nuclear submarines, which will be able to conduct reconnaissance and strike missions without contact with the enemy, at a great distance by the forces of underwater shock drones The point is actually that the armament of the new nuclear submarines will not be traditional, but from a swarm of combat underwater drones. The opinion of these experts was largely confirmed by the designers, who said that the drone itself will be a carrier of torpedoes and mines.

          I meant it, and not just the possibility of redirecting.
    2. seregin-s1
      seregin-s1 8 November 2019 08: 54 New
      0
      What if the Poseidon carrier is just a carrier? Deliver to the coast, place at the bottom, on duty. If necessary, replace the old ones with new ones.
      1. tlauicol
        tlauicol 8 November 2019 09: 41 New
        +1
        Fiction on the second floor
  11. Avior
    Avior 8 November 2019 08: 53 New
    +2
    The lack of information about Poseidon does not interfere with debate and speculation. However, its high fighting qualities are obvious.

    well yes. In translation, no one knows anything, but this does not stop arguing about his high fighting qualities.
    Disputes about Poseidon as a tradition have not been around for a long time, for revitalization the editors in the person of an anonymous author decided to throw firewood into the fire (well, or to the fan, as you like).
    Argue further about what no one knows .....
    1. Demon_is_ada
      Demon_is_ada 8 November 2019 18: 10 New
      -1
      Or maybe the designers have problems with the concept? Well, they decided to throw it out to the public opinion, by the way, this method gives excellent results lol So to speak collective brainstorming by millions belay
  12. Pavel57
    Pavel57 8 November 2019 09: 12 New
    0
    Essentially a nuclear drone ..
  13. Potato
    Potato 8 November 2019 09: 13 New
    +1
    I already have a Poseidon of the brain and the petrel of the spinal cord begins ...
  14. Esaul
    Esaul 8 November 2019 09: 17 New
    -1
    You can leave Poseidon at each major US coastal city in advance and wait, though it would be better if it were 100 Mt instead of 2. Well, it is also effective against AUG, there is enough 2 Mt to make all ships flying.
  15. Alexander X
    Alexander X 8 November 2019 09: 32 New
    +2
    In addition to the presence of Poseidons, it is necessary to have the political will to order them. And potential opponents should not doubt this will, just as they should not doubt the presence of Poseidons. Then you don’t have to use weapons.
  16. Ros 56
    Ros 56 8 November 2019 09: 34 New
    +1
    An explosion near small Britain will make them very happy.
  17. Zeev Zeev
    Zeev Zeev 8 November 2019 09: 46 New
    0
    Two megatons cause a tsunami? Only if Poseidon is blown up at the mouth of the Hudson, and even then, the tsunami will not be able to completely destroy any of the districts of New York. Although there will certainly be panic.
    Yes, and to destroy the AUG, you will have to enter the range of the group's PLO, and this very Poseidon will simply receive a series of depth charges along the route, turning into a pile of scrap metal even before it reaches the range of destruction by the explosion factors.
    Do not forget that at the declared 200 km / h the torpedo will sound like a roaring elephant, they will detect it from a very long distance (much earlier than the ship’s radar can detect anti-ship missiles, by the way) and destroy it very quickly.
    Minusators - forward;)
    1. seregin-s1
      seregin-s1 8 November 2019 11: 22 New
      +1
      The maximum depth of destruction with depth charges is 500 m. So, 2 megatons under the keel will not seem enough.
      1. Zeev Zeev
        Zeev Zeev 8 November 2019 14: 24 New
        -3
        So after all, these two megatons at a depth of a kilometer nichrome will not make ships on the surface. So the dashboard will have to surface. Just in the affected area PLO.
    2. +5
      +5 8 November 2019 14: 26 New
      -1
      It’s possible to get a deep bobba (model, number on each carrier, maximum depth as of 2019, otherwise I don’t remember a single one) only if Poseidon does not maneuver, there are a lot of bons and they are nuclear
      1. Zeev Zeev
        Zeev Zeev 8 November 2019 14: 37 New
        -1
        Well, yes, deep bombs are now a rarity. Now the trend is anti-submarine guided missiles. Depending on the model with a depth of damage of 800 meters.
    3. Winnie76
      Winnie76 8 November 2019 16: 20 New
      +1
      Quote: Zeev Zeev
      Do not forget that at the declared 200 km / h the torpedo will sound like a roaring elephant, they will detect it from a very long distance (much earlier than the ship’s radar can detect anti-ship missiles, by the way) and destroy it very quickly.

      A slow down is certainly not possible. Poseidon, it’s like an on / off switch - 200km / h / 0 km / h
      1. Zeev Zeev
        Zeev Zeev 8 November 2019 17: 24 New
        -2
        And at a lower speed, it will still be visible with active and passive search tools. As far as artificial intelligence is not there, a torpedo will not be able to turn off the engine and hide under a thermal wedge, but it will just stupidly go on target. Which (in the case of AUG) also moves quite well and even maneuvers.
        1. Winnie76
          Winnie76 8 November 2019 21: 56 New
          +1
          Quote: Zeev Zeev
          Since there’s no artificial intelligence there,

          I’m not anywhere. Even on the F-35))))) There is a set of instructions if that.
          Quote: Zeev Zeev
          the torpedo will not be able to turn off the engine and hide under a thermal wedge, but simply go stupidly at the target.

          What will hinder her? The usual instruction. If detected - speed max, shooting simulator, depth down to sensor D triggering, course plus minus 10 degrees. relative to the goal. You can do without a computer, on the same relay. And with the computer options are immeasurable.
          Quote: Zeev Zeev
          on target. Which (in the case of AUG) also moves quite well and even maneuvers

          IMHO AUG - this is optional. Main goal is coastal infrastructure
  18. MoJloT
    MoJloT 8 November 2019 09: 46 New
    +1
    The explosion of "Poseidon" off the coast of the United States will cause massive panic among the population
    They’ll drink some water, calm down.
  19. Nestorych
    Nestorych 8 November 2019 10: 33 New
    +3
    The explosion of "Poseidon" off the coast of the United States will cause massive panic among the population

    While it explodes only in our north, but our population endures steadily ...
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    2. Wildcat
      Wildcat 8 November 2019 16: 29 New
      +1
      While it explodes only in our north, but our population endures steadily ...

      repeat
      Why?
      Why do I remember a joke about the Indians and the rocket (Yandex to help!) ????
  20. Old26
    Old26 8 November 2019 10: 46 New
    +3
    Quote: askort154
    zxc15682 ...... 2Mt This is a strong bunch in a puddle. Especially at a depth of 1 km. And no tsunami will be these other orders of energies.

    Have you read the article? They mention options - from 2 to 100 MT. yes hi

    Well, the paper will endure. Experts such as Sivkov and Damantsev even wrote about a 200-megaton charge. But I still prefer to rely on the figure officially announced by the Russian Ministry of Defense, namely that the charge power is 2 megatons.

    Quote: zxc15682
    2Mt This is a strong bunch in a puddle. Especially at a depth of 1 km. And no tsunami will be these other orders of energies.

    The article refers to a blast at a depth of 1000 feet, that is, approximately at a depth of 300 meters. But you are right. There will be no tsunami.

    Frankly, it’s too lazy for the hundredth time to give a table of the heights of the waves resulting from an underwater explosion. I’ll just give a few figures for two capacities (to be honest, for 2 mt, it's a break). So for a charge of 1 mt, the wave height at a distance of 5 miles from the explosion will be 16 meters. At a distance of 10 miles - 8 meters. And at a distance of 50 miles - as much as 1,7 meters. At 10 megatons, these figures are respectively 74, 23 and 7,5 meters. But this is only at great depths. And great depths in the continental United States are much further than 50 miles ...
    1. Demon_is_ada
      Demon_is_ada 8 November 2019 18: 19 New
      0
      And what about the option of detonating several charges on the principle of "traveling wave" or simultaneous multiple detonation over the area? And the fact that there is a liter of heavy water in the water per cube and what are the chances of an uncontrolled thermonuclear reaction in the ocean? belay It is completely miscalculated laughing Once upon a time in the solar system, the planet Phaeton crying Is that why there are only myths left? wink
  21. Operator
    Operator 8 November 2019 10: 47 New
    +2
    After the use of the Poseidon RV with 100-Mtn special warheads, there will be no one to panic in the coastal metropolis - the diameter of the destruction of urban buildings will be 72 km, the diameter of fires and first-degree burns will be 150 km, the zone of radioactive fallout will be 700x300 km.

    A similar three-stage thermonuclear charge is used in the Sarmat monoblock ICBM (dimensions 1,5x5 meters, weight 10 tons).

    For reference, there are 60 million people living in 1 US metropolitan areas with a population of> 180 million (more than half of the US population).
    1. yehour
      yehour 8 November 2019 11: 19 New
      -1
      There is no way to place a 100-megaton device in these parameters, remember that for the delivery of Kuz'kina's mother it was necessary to cut the fuselage of the "carcass", but it was much larger in size.
      1. Operator
        Operator 8 November 2019 11: 33 New
        +4
        The American 25-Mtn three-stage B-41 thermonuclear bomb of the 1962 model of the year in a cylindrical form factor of the third stage was 1,32x3,76 and weighed 4,8 tons.

        A three-stage thermonuclear charge in a modern "peanut" form factor of the third stage will have dimensions and weight in proportion to the occupied volume of the UVA hull, presented in 2015 on the poster of the Status-6 ocean multipurpose system (a mass-dimensional analogue of the Soviet T-15 torpedo), those. 1,5x5 meters and 10 tons

  22. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 8 November 2019 11: 00 New
    +3
    Poseidon is a project useful for the USA. It is unlikely to reach
    stage of a real weapon, but will become a "scarecrow" that
    will force the Americans to significantly strengthen the PLO.
    This is useful to the Americans against ordinary Russian and Chinese submarines,
    which - yes - pose a real threat.
    Actually, the PLO has already begun to strengthen: they are experiencing underwater UAVs.
    Not a prodigy - not super-fast and deep-sea, but - massive.
    1. MoJloT
      MoJloT 8 November 2019 11: 45 New
      +1
      Actually, the PLO has already begun to strengthen: they are experiencing underwater UAVs
      Still experiencing China, England ... in fact, Poseidon is also an underwater UAV, only on a vigorous engine. And while everyone is discussing Poseidon, we rummage around on the Baltic Sea with another apparatus, and everyone catches a submarine.
    2. Winnie76
      Winnie76 8 November 2019 16: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      but will become a "scarecrow" that
      will force the Americans to significantly strengthen the PLO.

      They have already "strengthened" the missile defense system. They piled up a bunch of resources, they won't be able to defend themselves even from North Korea.
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Actually, the PLO has already begun to strengthen: they are experiencing underwater UAVs.
      Not a prodigy - not super-fast and deep-sea, but - massive.

      Oh yeah. There will be a swarm of underwater drones. Accessories: batteries, motors, sonarschiks, gas engines and other arduinki can be bought on aliexpress for 2 cents. And you can collect it at the Mask in the garage
  23. yehour
    yehour 8 November 2019 11: 15 New
    0
    A Poseidon strike can be cheaper and more effective than anti-ship missile raids.
    - that is, a nuclear reactor is cheaper than rockets? ..
    Well, such an argument ....
  24. Baron wrangel
    Baron wrangel 8 November 2019 12: 19 New
    +1
    Yeah ... Bang, so bang! The San Andreas Fault will seem like childish babble. It will turn out, as Comrade Stalin used to say to the scientist Kurchatov: "Say the strait between Canada and South America? ..." laughing
  25. Old26
    Old26 8 November 2019 12: 47 New
    +1
    Quote: Operator
    A similar three-stage thermonuclear charge is used in the Sarmat monoblock ICBM (dimensions 1,5x5 meters, weight 10 tons).

    Andrew! stop finally carrying the blizzard. What kind of monoblock, which, according to your statement, will be discussed there (and talk about something existing), if there wasn’t NOT ONE FLIGHT TEST "Sarmat" and at the same time none of its parameters are known, except for Borisov's statements about 10 tons of payload and firing through the South Pole walking across the Internet. Maybe it's enough for people to hang noodles on their ears

    On the "Voevoda" and on the "Ikara" they could not accommodate a 25-30 megaton charge due to the mass and overall dimensions of the latter, but here for 30 years no tests were carried out and the charges decreased significantly both in size and weight
    1. Operator
      Operator 8 November 2019 13: 17 New
      -2
      Your level of competence in the design of thermonuclear charges is clearly insufficient.

      In addition, for some reason you are sure that the Makeyev Design Bureau is only capable of copying the Soviet Voevoda ICBM of the shaggy 1980s model - Russophobia, isn't it? laughing
  26. Leonid Dymov
    Leonid Dymov 8 November 2019 12: 59 New
    -2
    One of the advantages of the Poseidon is the ability to quietly approach the US coast at low speed. Poseidon does not have to be launched from a submarine that can be tracked down and destroyed. Poseidon bases can be located on the coast of the Arctic Ocean. Underwater drones will quietly swim under the ice near the North Pole to the US coast and lay there on the bottom. Drones can periodically return to base for preventive maintenance.
  27. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 8 November 2019 13: 04 New
    0
    "So, different sources mentioned the different power of the warhead - from 2 to 100 Mt."
    Another guanone from shkolota. The man clearly does not understand what he is writing about, and he does not give a damn about what to write about.
    The most powerful thermonuclear explosion in history, was produced by the RDS-202 bomb, with a power of 58mgt, at an altitude of several kilometers. They could have done 80, but they were afraid that they would break the crust. And then 100mgt and under water, which does not compress, unlike air.

    Admins, let's be more careful in publications. And then the saying starts that sooner or later any resource turns into OK, like that car in Opel.
  28. 1970mk
    1970mk 8 November 2019 13: 19 New
    +3
    An idiotic-militaristic article)))) And a nuclear explosion in Mokva will cause a panic?
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  30. +5
    +5 8 November 2019 14: 23 New
    0
    Why the usual warhead versus AUG ???? We are against AUG without special warheads even on anti-ship missiles, well, no way :)
    The Chinese with their DF-41 (whether I get it or not - it makes no difference) are also not threatened with the usual warhead.
  31. Old26
    Old26 8 November 2019 14: 34 New
    -1
    Quote: Operator
    Your level of competence in the design of thermonuclear charges is clearly insufficient.

    But you have a level of competence in any industry just rolls over, Andrew. And in the field of nuclear charges, and in the field of non-volatile propulsion systems and in the field of rocket science and in all the rest.

    I’m not going to argue with you, you can remain with your opinion. But it sometimes already looks funny against the background of the statements of others. Everyone is wrong, and you are only right

    Quote: Operator
    In addition, for some reason you are sure that the Makeyev Design Bureau is only capable of copying the Soviet Voevoda ICBM of the shaggy 1980s model - Russophobia, isn't it?

    And what, the design rules and formulas used in this have already changed ???
  32. Operator
    Operator 8 November 2019 14: 48 New
    +5
    Quote: Old26
    have the design rules and formulas used in this changed?

    Technologies, materials and calculation methods - not? laughing
  33. Host Tavern
    Host Tavern 8 November 2019 15: 39 New
    0
    The explosion of "Poseidon" off the coast of the United States will cause massive panic among the population

    I think that there will be no one to panic laughing
  34. A.TOR
    A.TOR 8 November 2019 16: 15 New
    -6
    The United States is reducing the power of nuclear weapons in order to minimize the consequences of their use, including and for the enemy, his civilian population.
    The Russian Federation discusses the monstrous consequences, in fact, for the entire human civilization, options for "new" types of weapons ...
    Your works are wonderful, Lord !!
  35. smaug78
    smaug78 8 November 2019 17: 00 New
    +1
    Let them first adopt, and then swim ...
  36. internal enemy
    internal enemy 8 November 2019 18: 58 New
    -2
    Fairy weapon
  37. internal enemy
    internal enemy 8 November 2019 19: 01 New
    -2
    Chernobyl taught nothing to anyone
  38. Vadim Kirillovich
    Vadim Kirillovich 8 November 2019 22: 41 New
    0
    Academician Sakharov, Nobel Peace Prize laureate, writes in his book "Memoirs" that in 1961, in his report to the Central Committee on the use of a 100 Mt bomb, he referred to a deep-seated torpedo exploding off the west coast of the United States. A tsunami wave 50 meters high will completely wash away cities such as New York, Philadelphia, Boston ..., causing irreparable damage to the civilian population of the United States.
    The academician was not joking. He needed a third star of the Hero.
    1. zxc15682
      zxc15682 9 November 2019 17: 54 New
      0
      Sugar just did not rummage in hydrodynamics, it was popularly explained to him after that he hit pacifism. And then, in the end, he just called for bombing the USSR.
  39. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 8 November 2019 22: 59 New
    +1
    Quote: Civil
    Each of them will carry up to eight Poseidons. Accordingly, the Navy will be able to simultaneously deploy up to 32 of these devices, calculated The National Interest magazine.


    Such articles deliberately incite Russophobia. Since they are presented in the form of "bloodthirsty Russians want to kill everyone." This means they will tighten the sanctions stranglehold. We continue to delight and throw our hats.

    Such articles annoy the fifth column scum. After this, they have nothing to wheeze about. Bulk far. Gentle conversations about the joy of the Russian people are drowning in the patriotism of the Russian people.
  40. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 8 November 2019 23: 03 New
    +1
    Quote: Tlauicol
    Quote: Evil Echo
    There is an advantage behind that, as well as strategic aviation, there has recently been an article here.

    and you definitely read it? then the question is: how to redirect Poseidon? cancel attack? How can its carrier be brought to the border? attack targets deep in the continent?
    he has no advantages over ICBMs

    Cities - megalopolises of penguins are located on the coast. The fleet base is there. Shipyards there. Cities deep in the continent will haw the Voivode. Enough for everyone.
    Cancel the attack, there is nothing easier. Stop movement upon reaching the goal, and block the explosion. Until the right time. Let it lie in silence. And from the strike of retaliation to translate into a preemptive strike, if the penguins again begin to mumble. Retarget for what? Can megacities change their coordinates? If, indeed, they have become the goal, then let them remain. You can redirect another. We have more of them (the other).
  41. nikvic46
    nikvic46 9 November 2019 07: 29 New
    0
    Any powerful weapon is a deterrent weapon. The author did not have a goal, to evoke some kind of emotions in us. And then our fantasies went on. Even I suggested that Poseidon is a weapon of retaliation.
  42. Pavel57
    Pavel57 9 November 2019 13: 07 New
    0
    The tsunami threat is worse than the tsunami itself.
  43. Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 9 November 2019 13: 08 New
    0
    All this is very tense.

    In 18, a meteorite crashed in 6 hiroshim somewhere near the borders of the Far East.
    So are we scared? are the Americans? Chinese? Yap?

    Yes, no one noticed. Only Americans and Yapi waited 3 months, made sure that it was empty, and posted a photo.

    So what....???? dm nothing ..
  44. Nikolai
    Nikolai 9 November 2019 18: 06 New
    0
    Poseidon is an unmanned vehicle with high speed, immersion depth and internal volume.
    These parameters allow you to: break through the boundaries of anti-aircraft defense, destroy the anti-aircraft defense lines, quickly create minefields in areas of patrol and deployment of enemy submarines and SSBNs (K), guard SSBNs (K) of the Russian Navy in the areas of deployment and patrol. Yes, a lot more. Weapons: mines, torpedoes, trawls. But to sow panic ..?
  45. Coconut
    Coconut 9 November 2019 19: 09 New
    0
    Such an explosion should form a radioactive tsunami capable of destroying cities and infrastructure on the coast. Poseidon will be able to accelerate to 200 km / h, dive to a depth of 1 km and evade interception.
    can we want laughing
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  48. Evgeniy1975
    Evgeniy1975 10 November 2019 01: 18 New
    -1
    While in banks, on TV, in newspapers, etc. no Poseidons will go anywhere with us! After all, our country is a satellite of the United States.
  49. 3danimal
    3danimal 4 December 2019 21: 29 New
    0
    It will be possible to detect such a loud super torpedo from afar, and they will not skimp in the means of destruction (knowing WHAT is moving in depth). Say, depth charges or torpedoes with nuclear warheads. An exact hit is not necessary, it is enough to undermine the interceptor within a radius of 500m. Something like that, about low vulnerability
    We recall that there is not too much money and industrial resources, do not throw them at the “wunderwaffe”. There are no advantages over BR (including SLBMs) ​​and aviation, some disadvantages.