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Some results of the military operation in Syria

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Usually, we begin to study the experience of war after a sufficiently long period of time. We are ordinary townsfolk, not staffers from the army governing bodies. There, this work is carried out almost immediately after any battle. It is necessary to study the manner of conducting combat by the enemy, the weapons used, and military equipment. In short, you need to know everything about the enemy. Only in this case can the next battle be won.




Let's break this tradition today and try (at least partially) to sum up the results of the military operation in Syria. Naturally, it is impossible to claim a comprehensive analysis in our case. Too much is still classified and hidden from view. The battle is not over. The battle is not over. The war is not over.

The Russian army lost about 120 soldiers and officers in this war. And it doesn’t matter how these people died. In battle, or it was the so-called non-combat losses. People who died in the war die precisely in the war. Someone in a bayonet attack, someone under the bombs, someone in the collapse of the bridge or the explosion of the roadway. These are all victims of war. About 120 victims of war from our side ...

Ultimately we won


Today everyone knows in what circumstances Moscow made the decision to launch a military operation in Syria. For some reason, it’s not customary to recall the very 2015 year when any person who understands military affairs knew that the days of the Bashar al-Assad regime were numbered. The Americans and their slime-dogs waged some kind of war of their own. Outwardly, everything looked pretty pretty, but in fact, the coalition forces did everything to destroy Assad and his government in any way.

Today, many cities in Syria are well-known, and more recently, the world community knew only that the fighting was in Damascus and terrorists (whatever they were called by the Western media) were already penetrating the central regions of the Syrian capital. The largest city of Syria, Aleppo, was occupied by militants. In practice, if we discard the talk of some desert territories, there were only a few large cities in the hands of government troops.

What happened in Syria with the advent of the Russian army? Although, to be honest, the army we had there was scanty. I will not reveal a big secret, but even in the “hottest” times, the number of Russian forces did not exceed 7 thousand people. And the number of "huge" aviation grouping, again during periods of exacerbation, there were only about 70 aircraft. Of course, it is worth considering our strategists who simply flew in, fulfilled their goals and flew away.

So, the results of the war for today. The territories on the west bank of the Euphrates are completely liberated. Even the border strip with Turkey, recently controlled by the Kurds, today, albeit with the help of our military police, has come under the control of the Assad government. Militants from Syria disappear. The Russian army received an air base and a naval base. The authority of Russia and the Russian army is undeniable. Likely opponents study our experience in their military academies.

What did the Russian army learn?


Again, without discovering America, I will tell you about some well-known facts. To begin with, today, tens (exactly) of thousands of Russian army officers have combat experience in participating in events in Syria. And among the senior officers, probably, except for the Strategic Missile Forces rocket, it is almost impossible to meet an officer without such experience. Almost all senior officers in Syria visited.

If you look at the appointments of recent years, especially to the positions of brigade commanders, commanders and above, it turns out that almost all commanders went through this war. And commanders of armies and districts are generally appointed only after some time they have commanded or were chiefs of staff of a group in Syria.

There was another crucial aspect of the Syrian operation. These are combat tests of military equipment and weapons. It is clear that it is necessary to test equipment and weapons at landfills in “greenhouse conditions”. However, it is simply impossible to create real combat conditions. Syria "buried" or sent for revision several dozen models of weapons and equipment. Moreover, those that have already passed all the tests and were at the stage of final adoption.

Little is written about this, but many civilian experts from defense enterprises have passed Syria. The Ministry of Defense took such a step. Equipment and weapons fell into the hands of designers, engineers and workers directly from the battlefield. This made it possible to reduce the time for finishing the machines and weapons as much as possible. Factory workers today can proudly talk about their labor exploits. Such promptness has not yet been eliminated in the Russian army.

In general, if we talk about the global results of the Syrian campaign, we can say that the Russian army after Syria is a completely different army. Army with a different motivation. With a different approach to the training and education of soldiers and officers. With other requirements for equipment and weapons. Even with a slightly different organizational structure.

What conclusions can be drawn today?

Navy


In general, the Navy has shown its necessity in carrying out tasks on the territory of other states. Largely thanks the fleet the success of the entire operation was ensured. Especially at the initial stage. But it was the fleet that showed the other side of our aircraft. We will say so, the negative side of the Russian concept of using the Navy.

To begin with, to put it mildly, it is with the failure of our Navy. From a blind copy of the American strategy of using large ships for local operations. About "Admiral Kuznetsov" and his adventurous campaign to the Syrian coast. The campaign, thanks to which everyone is laughing at Russian sailors even today.

The Americans, sending aircraft carriers to foreign shores, initially had a real warship, with well-trained flight crews and airplanes intended for operations against ground forces. We, sending "Admiral Kuznetsov" to Syria, understood that the ship was not able to somehow change the situation. Moreover, the campaign itself seemed a gamble.

What could the cruiser boast of? Su-33 fighters equipped with outdated avionics and without armament to operate on ground targets? By the new MiG-29 KR carrier-based multipurpose fighters, which are still being mastered by the pilots of the 100 OKIAP? And what is the result? Two lost planes and a cruiser miraculously reaching the repair dock.

Failure? Yes, failure. But, in my opinion, failure is with a plus sign. Remember the many publications about the construction of new large ships? Including aircraft-carrying cruisers. The audience is divided in these disputes into supporters and opponents of large ships. Those who wanted a little, but really large ones, and those who wanted smaller ships, but many at once. I think that "Admiral Kuznetsov" really showed not so much his own impotence as our high expectations from its use. This campaign delayed the construction of new ships of the same type of years on the 15-20.

Now about the victories of the fleet. Perhaps the experts will disagree with me, but, as I think, the main victory of the Russian fleet is to provide the grouping of troops with weapons, personnel, equipment and everything that is necessary for the normal life of troops on foreign territory. Just think about the numbers.

The Russian Navy has ensured the delivery to Syria of more than 1,5 million tons of various cargoes! But this is nothing more and nothing less than 95% of all delivered goods! The sailors delivered 4500 units of equipment and weapons. Including our C-400 systems. Yes, and 3250 people were delivered by sea! In general, if we count the flights of the Navy ships for the entire period of the military operation in Syria, the ships delivered various military cargoes to Tartus base more than 400 times!

The safety of these shipments was again ensured by the fleet. Warships managed to create a situation around these shipments, in which our "allies" did not even have thoughts to somehow disrupt the plans of our sailors. Combat missions were performed by both surface and submarine ships.

By the way, a flaw in our fleet also emerged here. BDK, which were necessary for transportation, we simply do not have. In fact, since 2017, cargo has been transported by civilian vessels. The fleet needs transports and large landing ships like air.

The most spectacular operation of our fleet is the use of Caliber cruise missiles. Remember 14 September 2017 year? Then the “Caliber” hit the submarines of the 06363 project Veliky Novgorod (B-268) and Kolpino (B-271). Remember 7 on October 2015 of the year when the Dagestan missile defense system and the Uglich, Veliky Ustyug and Grad Sviyazhsk missile systems launched 26 missiles from targets in Syria from the Caspian Sea? On November 20, these same ships dealt another blow to the militants. 18 rockets!

And there was another hit by the “Caliber” of the Rostov-on-Don submarine from the underwater position in the Mediterranean Sea on December 9 of 2015. There were RTOs "Zeleny Dol" and "Serpukhov" in the same place, but on 19 of August 2016 of the year. There were launches from the frigate Admiral Essen and the Krasnodar submarine (B-265) on 30 on May 2017. There were punches of 23 of June of 2017 of the year and 3 of September of 2017 of the year.

Probably, for the first time it became clear that, in the presence of perfect weapons, which were carried out by large ships, combat missions can now be performed not only by small ships, but also missile boats. The mosquito fleet can cause serious damage to the enemy's Navy, while its losses will be minimal. And the firing range of several thousand kilometers makes even missile boats on rivers dangerous.

To summarize the fleet. We don’t need huge ships today. For completely mercantile reasons, we should focus on keeping the ships in combat readiness. And we must build frigates and universal landing ships. And to deter particularly active amateurs to walk along our shores, nuclear-powered submarines are needed. The rest is in perspective ...

Without VKS there would be no victory


Syria is the triumph of the videoconferencing. Syria is the largest air operation of the Russian aerospace forces, not only in the number of vehicles and crews involved, but also in the complexity and intensity of combat use and the remoteness of the theater of operations. There are simply no analogues of such operations of the videoconferencing.

Moreover, this operation for the first time brought to the first roles not the ground forces, but aviation. For the first time, aviation won the battle. Land units, however, performed a secondary role. Those components that the Russian army was and remains strong (artillery, Tanks, motorized rifle) in Syria were not the main ones.

The intensity of aviation reached hundreds of sorties per day! On average, each aircraft made 2-3 flights per day! Every plane! At the same time, departures of helicopters, reconnaissance and transport aircraft are not included in this number. I’ll try to surprise even the pilots with one digit - 45000! That's right, more than 45 of thousands of sorties during the operation were performed by pilots of the Russian airborne forces.

The flight time for a combat pilot is one of the most important indicators of his training and qualifications as a pilot of a combat aircraft. There is only one indicator, which, according to many pilots, is more important than raid. This is part of the fighting. The real job of completing a combat mission during the war. As one pilot said: “We must survive combat stress, combat fatigue ...”

Here the numbers are generally sky-high. Almost the entire flight crew of the VKS visited one way or another in the Syrian sky. Data at the end of May 2019 year. The participation of crews of operational-tactical and army aviation - 90%. The participation of crews of military transport aviation - 98%. Long-range crew participation - 60%. The participation of air defense specialists - 32%.

Ground parts


The use of ground forces in Syria was extremely limited. Initially, ground units in Syria were not used. The concept of the operation itself did not provide for their input. However, MTR units and intelligence units of the rapid response units were planned. War is, first of all, knowledge of the enemy, the location of his units, plans for military operations. This is intelligence.

Alas, it should be noted that while we are clearly behind the leading armies in the use of special reconnaissance equipment, UAVs. The heroism of our MTR fighters simply needs to be reinforced technically. It is necessary to increase not only the quantity and quality of reconnaissance equipment, but also space reconnaissance and aviation reconnaissance. intelligence intelligence. It seems to me that the MTR fighters will have enough work where you can show heroism and dedication. And if there is an opportunity not to go to hell, but to get information without much risk, then it should be used at 100%.

The work of our military police is interesting. Of course, we can say that they perform a somewhat unusual function for them. Almost replacing the still weak Syrian police. However, in fact, the military police of Russia does exactly its job. Provides order in the war zone. And it makes it so that even Western countries admire.

VP units were selected very well. The presence of Muslims and Christians in the ranks of the Russian military police ensured confidence among Syrian citizens. For the East, this is the most important factor. Moreover, it was this, not to mention some additional actions of the Russian and Syrian military leadership, that provided a quick suppression of the centers of resistance of the militant gangs. Former fighters wouldn’t lay down their arms without trust.

In conversations with those who have visited Syria, one event strangely pops up, which many have already forgotten, but which played a very significant role in stopping the resistance by the militants and surrendering weapons. I am about the platoon of our military police in the area of ​​the city of Hama 19 September 2017 year.

It was then that a large detachment of militants, provoked by an attack by American intelligence services, tried to destroy the observation post of our military police in the de-escalation zone. Then local policemen from the Muali tribe came to the aid of our policemen. This tribe, before signing an agreement with government forces, actively fought on the side of the militants.

The Syrians from this tribe were then struck by the very fact that the commander sent his fighters to the very heat and guarded strangers. For those who fought long enough and knows the attitude of NATO soldiers and officers towards the natives, this caused shock and a desire to show the Russians that they also know how to fight. The Syrians climbed after the police to the most dangerous sections.

And after a two-hour battle, when the SSO fighters approached under the leadership of the Hero of Russia General Viktor Shulyak, when the positions of the militants were repeatedly handled by Su-25 attack aircraft, it turned out that the two hundredth were only among the muali fighters. The police came out of the battle without loss. MTR had three three hundredths.

Today this история overgrown with fabulous details about how the Russians drove out the fighters of the tribe in order to save their lives, how they saved others. Any Syrian boy will tell his version of the heroism of Muali and Russian police. But, most importantly, the story reached the militants. And she works. She is killing the war. The militants are returning to peaceful life.

Equipment and weapons


It is clear that the leading role of the aerospace forces in the military operation in Syria has determined the greatest innovations in the field of equipment and weapons namely the aerospace forces. But I'll start again with the Navy. More precisely, with a quote:
“The next year should be a record in the number of combat and auxiliary units laid down for the Navy. In shipyards in various regions of the country, including the Crimea, it is planned to lay a total of 22 surface ships and boats, multipurpose nuclear and diesel-electric submarines, as well as an auxiliary fleet. ”


So, recalling what has been written above about the Navy, we note that in 2020 at the Zaliv plant (Crimea) two universal landing ships will be laid down. At the Severnaya Verf shipyard, 2 upgraded frigates of the 22350 project (each with 24 shock missiles) will be laid. Two nuclear submarines of the 885M project code Yasen-M will be laid at Sevmash. Three submarines of the 636.3 Varshavyanka project and a submarine of the 677 Lada project will be laid at the Admiralty Shipyards.

In addition, corvettes, small missile boats, anti-sabotage boats and various auxiliary fleet ships will be laid at various plants. Agree, the experience of using the fleet during a military operation in Syria is taken into account. Volumes have not yet struck the imagination, but dashing trouble began.

Back to the videoconferencing. And start with the planes. To be honest, the Syrian sky has become a “gold mine” for our aviation industry and design bureaus. They have never received such a volume of critical information about their own products. Moreover, first-hand information.

Remember the most famous heroes of the sky among airplanes. These are new machines based on the T-10 platform. Su-35С, Su-30СМ and Su-34. Two fighters and a bomber. Each of them today has become completely different. As many upgrades in the short time as carried out on these aircraft, it was possible to carry out only during the Great Patriotic War ... And today modernized machines were ordered at the State Defense Ministry Defense Ministry.

By the way, there is a negative experience. In Syria, the MiG-29 SMT light front-line multipurpose fighter did not show itself in any way. Which is pretty strange. Indeed, in service with the VKS, this machine is.

We should also mention our strategists. The use of the Tu-95 and Tu-160 strategic bombers in Syria actually opened up a completely new field of combat work for these aircraft. We have always considered these aircraft as part of Russia's nuclear triad. Doomsday aircraft that are capable of independently delivering a nuclear strike against the enemy. The Syrian sky became the birthplace of the new aviation of Russia. Strategic aviation with a wide range of non-nuclear weapons. To some extent, this is a revolution.

There is another type of aircraft, which, in my opinion, is undeservedly forgotten when talking about Syria. This is a UAV. We are used to the fact that imported drones are better than ours. That, for example, Israel is much better able to make drones than we are. But Syria gave such a powerful kick for the development of our drones that we jumped like hell out of a snuffbox into the world leaders in the development and production of drones.

I understand that now I will run into many protests. Therefore, I will again quote the figures from the operational reports on Syria. Every day (!) In the sky of Syria worked up to 70 drones. The total number of UAV sorties during the operation is over 25 000. In total, the Russian drones “Outpost”, “Orlan-10” and others opened the enemy’s 47 522 object.

Today, in the Russian army, UAVs are used not only for reconnaissance and surveillance, but also for guiding the WTO. I can’t say that we are the best in the production and development of drones. Such information is not publicly available. But the fact that our operators and operators are among the best in the world is a fact.

Huge changes have occurred in the arsenal of the air forces. More precisely, they are happening today. The fact is that with the frequent use of aviation in residential areas, the problem of high-precision weapons has become acute. In this component, we traditionally lagged behind the West.

I will not paint all the bombs and missiles that appeared on the arsenal of the VKS. I will list only a few. Long-range aviation guided bombs with satellite guidance UPAB-500 (K08BE) and UPAB-1500 (K029BE) with penetrating warhead. 9-A-7759 modular guided aerial bomb. By the way, the first bombs of the above were created by the Tactical Missile Weapons Corporation in record time.

Today, 50 and 100 caliber bombs are coming. Small-sized guided bombs for the Russian army, as Syria showed, are necessary as air. Also ends the development of ammunition for use with UAVs.

More interesting is missile weapons. X-59 MK2 multi-purpose operational-tactical cruise missiles, X-38 tactical missiles, long-range multi-functional missiles for helicopters. But the main thing is still the Kyrgyz Republic (cruise missiles).

Above, I mentioned the non-nuclear weapons of the Tu-95 and Tu-160 strategic bombers. During the operation in Syria, these vehicles repeatedly struck enemy targets with non-nuclear weapons. High-precision cruise missiles have become the hallmark of strategic aviation in Russia.

In general, the military campaign in Syria can be considered successful. And from a military point of view, and from a political one. The army showed its best side. The military leadership gained experience in command and control of troops in a combat situation. Equipment and weapons tested in battle. And the understanding of what we most need here and now has come. So, there was confidence in their own abilities and capabilities. And this is a lot ...
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  1. Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 8 November 2019 05: 37 New
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    Losses in manpower 120 people "There is no war without losses" JV Stalin. The most valuable experience has been acquired, now the main thing is not to lose it and pass it on to descendants.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 8 November 2019 06: 09 New
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      Almost the entire flight crew of the VKS visited one way or another in the Syrian sky. Data at the end of May 2019. .
      to be honest, until the end ... November 24, 2015, the Su-24M was treacherously shot down by the Turkish Air Force F-16. It was a stab in the back. One pilot was killed by ground fire during the descent, the second - saved. Two Russian Mi-8 helicopters were sent to the crash zone. One of which was damaged by militant fire. Helicopter crew members were rescued.

      April 12, 2016 the Mi-28 helicopter crashed near Homs, the pilots died. The Russian Defense Ministry ruled out enemy fire as the cause of the crash.

      On July 8, 2016, the Mi-35 helicopter crashed in the Palmyra region. According to the Arab media, he was shot down. Both Russian pilots died.

      On August 1, 2016, the Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down by ground fire in Idlib province when it returned to Khmeimim air base. Three crew members and two officers of the Russian Center for the Reconciliation of the warring parties in Syria were killed.

      On November 3, 2016, the Mi-35 helicopter made an emergency landing near the Syrian city of Palmyra and may have been destroyed by unguided recoilless weapons after landing, but the crew returned safely to the Khmeimim airbase.

      On November 14, 2016, the MiG-29 fighter crashed on its way to the aircraft carrier. The pilot catapulted and survived. On December 3, 2016, the Admiral Kuznetsov’s air wing of the Russian Navy suffered a second loss in less than a month after the fixation cable broke on the plane. The pilot catapulted and survived.

      On October 10, 2017, the Su-24 attack aircraft crashed during takeoff at the Khmeimim air base, presumably due to a technical malfunction. The crash killed both crew members.

      On December 31, 2017, the Mi-24 helicopter hit the power line in the Hama province, 2 of 3 crew members were killed.

      On May 3, 2018, a Su-30 heavy fighter crashed in the Mediterranean Sea after taking off from the Khmeimim air base. According to public data, a bird got into the engine. Both pilots died.

      On May 7, 2018, the Ka-52 helicopter crashed during a planned flight over the eastern regions of the ATS. Both pilots died.

      And finally, on September 17, 2018, an IL-20 reconnaissance aircraft with 15 troops was unintentionally shot down by an S-200 missile launched by Syrian air defense. The cause of the tragedy was the provocation of the Israeli Air Force.
      1. Tatar 174
        Tatar 174 8 November 2019 06: 27 New
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        Without the loss of such matters as war does not happen ... Russia has lost and is losing its most valuable resource - people ... This is not only happening in the war. Instead, comes experience, recognition, fame and authority for the country, the price is expensive, but there are no other options. Suvorov’s passage through the Alps everyone remembers, the defeat of fascism everyone remembers, remembers and appreciates these and other deeds of the Russian soldier, and here it will be.
        1. okko077
          okko077 11 November 2019 03: 07 New
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          The author of the article resembles a banal snotty boy who fell from the moon and does not have the slightest idea about modern war ... All his ingenious conclusions based on the experience of fighting in Syria have been known for a long time, studied and transformed into our army ... Since 2010 years, the question of the unpreparedness of our army to wage a modern war has been sharply raised ... The absence of combat intelligence information systems that are combined with shock and operate in real time has been discussed for a long time ... The task of creating such systems was formulated already in 2000 ... the task was failed, the ESU TZ "Constellation-M" system was transformed into a freak with primitive capabilities due to a misunderstanding by the leadership of the purpose of the system and a complete misunderstanding of the nature of the conduct of hostilities in modern war ... Ironically, the Gerasims took this transformed squalor .. .Could change something even now. Not the ability to think, and sometimes not the desire to think, of the top management simply kills. Brain eructations in the form of interspecies connections, hands, rockets and drone regiments cause surprise and stupor ... The author is also from the same clip ..
          1. adept666
            adept666 19 November 2019 08: 01 New
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            This task was failed, the ESU TZ "Constellation-M" system was transformed into a freak with primitive capabilities
            How many lines of code have you written in your life? And most importantly, in which automation and communication projects have you personally participated? How many of them have been successfully completed according to the ToR? I’ll just remind you that in the most technologically advanced troops a similar system ordered a long life ... We still live and improve.
            1. okko077
              okko077 19 November 2019 12: 17 New
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              I wrote enough lines and works for a scientific degree, if I wanted to, it would be enough for the next one .. Automation and communication is something else, or rather what is needed to build such systems, but in the concept of such systems they are not decisive. although they are very important as a method for their implementation .. Even in the General Staff, we don’t know what such systems are for. They can’t formulate requirements .. They make useless automated control systems for automating processes of pointless control .. Well, at least they invented small RUKs and ROCKs, but in a primitive version .... Interspecific formations and UAV regiments still touch ... The level of cavemen in a modern war. ... Thinking author, I'm sorry genius, is this misery known? Does he already have a doctorate? Ask him and his workers about the lines and work ...
      2. bober1982
        bober1982 8 November 2019 07: 40 New
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        Quote: Aerodrome
        to be honest

        These are scanty losses.
        Losses of the Su-25, Afghanistan - 36 aircraft, in just one 1988 lost 12 aircraft
        Losses of the Su-17, Afghanistan - 34 aircraft, in just one 1986 lost 9 aircraft
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 8 November 2019 09: 02 New
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          Quote: bober1982
          These are scanty losses.

          Losses must be compared with the losses of the coalition, Turks and Israelis ... and it is not at all in our favor. In Afghanistan, a completely different contingent was involved in the number and the intensity of the battles was different.
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 8 November 2019 09: 16 New
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            Quote: Stirbjorn
            Losses must be compared with the losses of the coalition, Turks and Israelis

            How can one compare that which cannot be compared?
            1. Stirbjorn
              Stirbjorn 8 November 2019 10: 20 New
              +6
              Quote: bober1982
              How can one compare that which cannot be compared?

              And what is the point of comparing with Afghanistan then? 30 years have passed since then
              1. bober1982
                bober1982 8 November 2019 10: 27 New
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                Quote: Stirbjorn
                And what is the point of comparing with Afghanistan then?

                Yes, it makes sense to compare, it was the Afghan experience that taught.
                If you take the Syrian losses - this is nothing compared with the number of sorties completed, and most importantly - the effectiveness of combat use, the actions of aviation were not just literate, they were brilliant.
                1. alekszeit
                  alekszeit 8 November 2019 18: 09 New
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                  no sense whatsoever. It’s the same as comparing accident rate when testing a new machine and operating it in combat units.
          2. anykin
            anykin 8 November 2019 17: 11 New
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            Quote: Stirbjorn
            Losses must be compared with the losses of the coalition, Turks and Israelis ...

            And they fought with the Ishilovites? Seriously?
            1. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 10 November 2019 19: 48 New
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              Nevertheless, the data is regrettable, this is what I found on the network: "The United States lost one fighter in Syria, Russia - 13 planes and helicopters."
              And yet, the author stated that
              The Russian Navy ensured the delivery to Syria of more than 1,5 million tons of various cargoes!
              , and I found on the network data that Russia for the "Syrian express" bought ships all over the world, from the same Turkey they bought several dry cargo ships at a cheap price. So it was not the Navy that delivered the cargo, but the rusty old foreign ships.
              1. anykin
                anykin 10 November 2019 21: 02 New
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                Quote: Fan-Fan
                Nevertheless

                However, how many of them were lost in battle? And what is the ratio of the number of sorties of the Russian Federation and the Western coalition?
              2. kupitman
                kupitman 18 November 2019 11: 07 New
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                Only there the number of departures is 4100, of which 1400 are tankers, i.e. more than 10 times less, resulting in a loss of approximately 1 to 1.
                I can only say that our accident rate has always been higher, on average, a Russian pilot is often distinguished by finesse.
          3. Vlad.by
            Vlad.by 9 November 2019 00: 32 New
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            Losses must be compared by sorties and their results.
            The "battle" of Americans with "combat excavators" or the Crocodile carousel directly above the heads of snarling spirits - which is more useful and more dangerous?
        2. Oleg Zorin
          Oleg Zorin 8 November 2019 15: 10 New
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          The Barmaleevs in Syria do not have Stingers, but the Afghans did.
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 8 November 2019 16: 34 New
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            There were Stingers in Afghanistan, but they worked on targets at altitudes of less than 5000m, in Syria there are no Stingers, but they work at altitudes of more than 5000m. Why?
            1. Oleg Zorin
              Oleg Zorin 8 November 2019 16: 45 New
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              Modern satellite positioning technologies and special computer programs today allow you to hit the target from greater heights (which is safer). At 86, drop the ammunition load from 5000 - do not get anywhere.
              1. bober1982
                bober1982 8 November 2019 16: 49 New
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                Quote: Oleg Zorin
                allow you to hit the target from higher altitudes (which is safer)

                Which is safer? what exactly do you mean? You yourself claim that there are no Stingers, then why climb to such heights.
                1. Oleg Zorin
                  Oleg Zorin 8 November 2019 16: 52 New
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                  Today no, tomorrow? East is a delicate matter...
                  1. bober1982
                    bober1982 8 November 2019 16: 53 New
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                    Quote: Oleg Zorin
                    East is a delicate matter...

                    I agree.
                    1. Oleg Zorin
                      Oleg Zorin 8 November 2019 17: 00 New
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                      Perhaps there are other reasons. This one seemed to me the most obvious. Maybe you will supplement.
            2. alekszeit
              alekszeit 8 November 2019 18: 12 New
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              helicopters operate from the same heights in both cases. That's just such mountains in Syria, so there is nothing to compare
        3. Maksus
          Maksus 8 November 2019 18: 29 New
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          In fact, in Syria we first tried the American war - airplanes, missiles, bombs. Ground forces cherished. Questions only on drones, somehow their role is not disclosed.
          1. xax
            xax 8 November 2019 22: 23 New
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            Quote: Maksus
            In fact, in Syria we first tried the American war - airplanes, missiles, bombs. Ground forces cherished. Questions only on drones, somehow their role is not disclosed.

            American-style war is, first of all, when you win a fat piece of the pie, with which you pay off your "investment" a hundredfold. A little not about us? Fortunately or unfortunately.
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      3. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 8 November 2019 08: 19 New
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        Totally agree with you. The author provided a "scanty" list of losses in equipment and an official one in personnel. By the way, you also forgot to mention the airliner with a choir named after Alexandrov. He, too, flew to Syria, if I'm not mistaken?
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 8 November 2019 19: 24 New
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          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          He, too, flew to Syria, if not mistaken?

          AND? Another accident could just as well have happened.
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          The author provided a "scanty" list of losses in equipment and an official one in personnel.

          Do you have other listings? And from where?
        2. kupitman
          kupitman 18 November 2019 11: 10 New
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          and what does it have to do with casualties? a plane that crashed on the territory of the Russian Federation (or near the territory of the Russian Federation) during takeoff in Sochi.
          Then you can attribute an accident involving armored personnel carriers in the Crimea, he was also brought from Syria, and L is logic.
      4. IvanT
        IvanT 8 November 2019 10: 13 New
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        I forgot about the transporter during the approach.
      5. Chit
        Chit 8 November 2019 14: 18 New
        -3
        To be even more honest, it should be remembered that the Russian Aerospace Forces operated in an exceptionally favorable environment. In greenhouse conditions. There were not only enemy fighters, but not even the smallest air defense. It’s not even about air defense systems, but about MANPADS.
        So they bombed, as at a training ground.
        Is there any reason for pride?
        How to look ...
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 8 November 2019 15: 42 New
          -8
          Quote: Chit
          So they bombed, like at a training ground

          And how are they bombing at the training ground?
          1. Chit
            Chit 8 November 2019 15: 51 New
            -4
            No fear.
            Feeling calm and relaxed in the air. Knowing that the enemy has no air defense and fighters.
            Some experience in bombing in this way can be obtained by those who argue.
            But will it be considered a full-fledged combat experience? Which, for example, received Soviet pilots in Vietnam and Korea?
            1. bober1982
              bober1982 8 November 2019 16: 36 New
              -4
              Quote: Chit
              No fear.
              Feeling calm and comfortable in the air

              Quote: Chit
              Some experience in bombing in this way can be obtained

              At the training ground, it’s much harder to bomb.
        2. Tommy
          Tommy 8 November 2019 17: 32 New
          +5
          Quote: Chit
          The Russian Aerospace Forces operated in an exceptionally favorable environment. In greenhouse conditions. There were not only enemy fighters, but not even the smallest air defense. It’s not even about air defense systems, but about MANPADS.
          So they bombed, as at a training ground.
          Is there any reason for pride?
          How to look ...

          Russians always have pride in their armed forces, unlike you, Russophobe!
          You are mistaken! There were no greenhouse conditions, if you look at the list of losses! Part of the military equipment was knocked down by fire from the ground (anti-aircraft installations, ATGMs at low altitude when attacking militant units), the use of UAVs by militants during the shelling of the Khmeinim air base, and so on. You probably didn't know that? Like you, do not care about Russia ...
          No need to write nonsense and at the same time "smile" sarcastically in your soul ...
          1. Chit
            Chit 8 November 2019 18: 40 New
            -1
            If we are talking about a certain part of the military equipment (presumably VKS equipment?), Which went astray, then it would be nice to attach a list of this very equipment, which was knocked down from the ground. With this, I suppose, problems?
            No wonder. For the largest losses the Russian VKS suffered by no means from fire from the ground.
            One plane was shot down by the Turks, IL-20 was shot down by the Syrians, allies of Russia. Those. in both cases not an adversary. Two more aircraft were drowned by Kuzey.
            Now I repeat the question: what military experience did the airborne forces in the Syrian sky besides improve their bombing skills? What is the real combat experience? In a situation with a complete absence of enemy air defense?
            And you don't need to put pressure on me with your jingoistic patriotism. It is clear that when there are no arguments and facts, dubious epithets like "little soul" and so on are used. But you need to be able to control yourself.
            As befits a man.
            1. xax
              xax 8 November 2019 22: 53 New
              +2
              Quote: Chit
              cheers patriotism

              You don’t scoff at patriotism and use it next to “hurray”. It is thanks to him that our country and our people exist today. And as a result, you also exist, no matter how hard you try to distance yourself from this country and this people.
              Now from experience. If you had ever organized something more complicated than Bukhalov’s birthday, you would have realized how important the experience of organizing one or another activity is. It is practical experience. This is all the more important for heterogeneous activities - extending from a shovel to science. The concept of operational art appeared in the Second World War, which was placed even above the strategic activity. That very operational art - this is, in essence, logistics, organization, analytics, planning, management.
              How difficult it is to engage in such an organization, we see from the failed, for example, business projects all over the world and especially here in Russia. "Effective" managers bring down project after project with their "effective" organization. And our military could do it right. It says a lot.
              In the same business, normal managers are taught on the so-called cases: on real events. It’s not bad when these events are learned in lessons, but it is invaluable when you participate in them.

              Do you realize the depth of your limitations?
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            3. Tommy
              Tommy 9 November 2019 03: 24 New
              12
              Chit! Is that you, man? Worse than a thin woman - I.V. tried to spit Stalin, carried nonsense, pretending to be a liberal fool! And now you're talking baby talk:
              Quote: Chit

              No wonder. For the largest losses the Russian VKS suffered by no means from fire from the ground.
              One plane was shot down by the Turks, IL-20 was shot down by the Syrians, allies of Russia. Those. in both cases not an adversary. Two more aircraft were drowned by Kuzey.
              Now I repeat the question: what military experience did the airborne forces in the Syrian sky besides improve their bombing skills? What is the real combat experience? In a situation with a complete absence of enemy air defense?

              It's ugly to knowingly lying! Firstly, IL-20 was shot down due to the fault of the Israeli Air Forcewho created such a situation in the area of ​​the Russian air base Khmeinim, who did not warn the Russian air forces on the direct channel in time, and at the same time another area of ​​Syria was indicated where the Israeli aviation operation was carried out. And besides this, an Israeli F-16 fighter-bomber flew up to the Il-20 airplane one azimuth (behind the Il-20), after launching the Syrian S-200 anti-aircraft missile system. Therefore, the S-200 anti-aircraft missile was redirected to the IL-20, which has a larger image intensifier than the F-16 aircraft. I already wrote this to a Jew in VO - the lieutenant colonel of the reserve, who had nothing to answer, who presented here the materials of the yellow press (Novaya Gazeta and other liberal publications writing lies). Secondly, when the Turks destroyed S-24, we lost the commander of the plane and one Russian soldier on the ground during the evacuation of the navigator of the aircraft. Thirdly, there were no casualties on Kuznetsovo. Syrians, unlike Jews, admit their mistakes. It turns out that you deliberately wrote here a lie about "large" losses and about the blame of Syrian air defense.
              The most important experience - testing of new tactics and methods of warfare, the experience of using their weapons (including the latest) in real combat conditions, the experience of using high-precision weapons, the experience of using RTS and electronic warfare systems in repelling air raids by the USA and NATO countries and not only, experience the interaction of various units of the Russian Aerospace Forces, and much more ... And the most important result of using the Russian air force is the effective destruction of the militants! You probably don’t know? And if you do not know, then do not write your nonsense!
              1. Professor
                Professor 9 November 2019 11: 14 New
                -16
                Quote: Tommy
                Syrians, unlike Jews, admit their mistakes.

                ... that is why the Syrians still have not apologized for shooting down a Russian plane while the Israeli F-16 were already at home? request
                1. Tommy
                  Tommy 9 November 2019 15: 33 New
                  +7
                  Quote: Professor
                  ... that is why the Syrians still have not apologized for shooting down a Russian plane while the Israeli F-16 were already at home?

                  Professor of "sour cabbage soup", not tired of VO lie and dodge? The lieutenant colonel of the reserve will be much stronger than you, and he couldn’t justifiably prove the opposite about the lies and tales of the Jews, trying to hide behind the lies of the liberal media (Novaya Gazeta and the delirium of the illiterate Temezhnikov, and so on). Do not write nonsense, we are not blind. Jewish liars, but not all Jews, already got everyone - for this they do not love you all over the world!
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 9 November 2019 15: 46 New
                    -8
                    Quote: Tommy
                    Quote: Professor
                    ... that is why the Syrians still have not apologized for shooting down a Russian plane while the Israeli F-16 were already at home?

                    Professor of "sour cabbage soup", not tired of VO lie and dodge? The lieutenant colonel of the reserve will be much stronger than you, and he couldn’t justifiably prove the opposite about the lies and tales of the Jews, trying to hide behind the lies of the liberal media (Novaya Gazeta and the delirium of the illiterate Temezhnikov, and so on). Do not write nonsense, we are not blind.

                    Prove the BACK? What a fright? First you prove that ours were there on the line of fire. Yours showed the alignment that during the downing of your plane with your rocket the hands of your ally, ours were already at home. Yours proved the opposite by providing records from recorders? Or is there no recorder? Maybe there are names of the dead? Or did you find the wreckage?

                    So why has Assad still not apologized for his crooked anti-aircraft gunners?

                    Quote: Tommy
                    Jewish liars, but not all Jews, already got everyone - for this they do not love you all over the world!

                    And where they love you, dear? wink
                    1. Tommy
                      Tommy 9 November 2019 16: 20 New
                      +6
                      Quote: Professor
                      Prove the BACK? What a fright? First you prove that ours were there on the line of fire. Yours showed the alignment that during the downing of your plane with your rocket the hands of your ally ours were already at home.

                      The lies and babble of the victim Jew! pseudo-professor (Oleg Sokolov), for you and about you!
                      "To shame a liar, make fun of a fool
                      And arguing with a woman is the same
                      What to draw water sieve:
                      Deliver us from these three, God! .. " tongue
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 9 November 2019 16: 22 New
                        -10
                        Quote: Tommy
                        Quote: Professor
                        Prove the BACK? What a fright? First you prove that ours were there on the line of fire. Yours showed the alignment that during the downing of your plane with your rocket the hands of your ally ours were already at home.

                        The lies and babble of the victim Jew! pseudo-professor (Oleg Sokolov), for you and about you!
                        "To shame a liar, make fun of a fool
                        And arguing with a woman is the same
                        What to draw water sieve:
                        Deliver us from these three, God! .. "

                        Is that all you have to say? But essentially sweet?

                        So why has Assad still not apologized for his crooked anti-aircraft gunners?
              2. region58
                region58 9 November 2019 12: 06 New
                -4
                Quote: Tommy
                Israeli F-16 fighter-bomber flew up to the Il-20 aircraft one azimuth (behind the Il-20), after the launch of the Syrian S-200 anti-aircraft missile system.

                You want to say that the reaction time of the Israeli aviation: to detect the launch of a rocket, determine the speed and course, make a decision, transfer the necessary data to the pilot, and finally, bring the plane to the right point in space - all this in time is less than the flight time of the s-200 missile ? Which, by the way, in order to hit the target, not only azimuth is needed. Even if you do not ask about the operation of K9, then in all regulatory documents on live firing it is strictly indicated that if the type of target changes, it is necessary to immediately stop its tracking (turn off the power). And to confuse on the operator’s screen the signal from a jet fighter and a propeller-driven aircraft - this is fantastic worse than yours.
                PS I recommend:
                1. Tommy
                  Tommy 9 November 2019 16: 00 New
                  +7
                  region58! Learn the materiel! And for starters, it's ugly to hide, go out under your nickname.
                  Quote: region58
                  detect a missile launch, determine the speed and course, make a decision, transfer the necessary data to the pilot, and, finally, bring the plane to the desired point in space

                  See carefully the briefing of the Russian Ministry of Defense and everything will become clear! They forgot about the interception range. Illiteracy.
                  Quote: region58
                  Which, by the way, in order to hit the target, not only azimuth is needed.

                  And do not forget to learn the radar parameters of radar - especially about resolution ... Complete ignorance! Keep your recommendations to yourself.
                  "The target illumination radar (RPC) of the S-200 system has the name 5N62 (NATO: Square Pair), the detection zone range is about 400 km. It consists of two cabins, one of which is the radar itself, and the second contains a control point and a digital computer" Flame-KV ". It is used for tracking and illumination of targets. It is the main weak point of the complex: having a parabolic structure, it is capable of tracking only one target, in case of detection of a separating target, it manually switches to it. Has a high continuous power of 3 kW, what are the causes of frequent cases of incorrect interception of larger targets."
                  1. region58
                    region58 9 November 2019 23: 29 New
                    -6
                    Quote: Tommy
                    Teach materiel!

                    He taught, I teach, and I will teach. The teachers were good, tightly stuck in the brain - to learn always, otherwise you will disappear as a professional.
                    Quote: Tommy
                    come out under your nickname

                    Here, honestly, I did not understand. Where to go ... why ...
                    Quote: Tommy
                    See carefully the briefing of the Russian Ministry of Defense and everything will become clear!

                    If you look carefully, there are more questions than answers.
                    Quote: Tommy
                    And do not forget to learn the parameters ... ... Radar target illumination (ROC)

                    According to Wikipedia, from which do you quote? Funny, yeah. I told you which book to read. If you notice, there is a suggestion: ensuring the safety of its aircraft operating in the zones of the S-200V (S-200) air defense system.
                    Quote: Tommy
                    They forgot about the interception range. Illiteracy.

                    So what's the range? Let’s, boldly, do not torment the soul.
              3. WapentakeLokki
                WapentakeLokki 9 November 2019 18: 16 New
                -4
                I ask a question ... But how is it in general ... for all the time of supply of MODERN (and not so) weapons ... the Arabs (as well as the Syrians, Yemenis, Iraqis and other Egyptians) somehow EFFECTIVELY (and from an objective point of view ) used the weapon that (often in a `` brotherly '' manner, i.e. for nothing (yes, without interchange, i.e. for nothing) they were supplied since the 50s of the last century ?? ? Or..all this is thrown to the wind .. (and, by the way, noticeably worsened the attitude towards Soviet (and then Russian) weapons) .. that is, there are reputational losses and ... what are the advantages ??? declare about `` their geopolitical interests '' (yeah .. oil is OUR ..) and what did Russia gain ... well, except for the `` combat experience '' (yes, a couple of hundred cargo 200) ??? and I have a question ... do we even bet on that horse ??? or for Muslims everything that is more difficult than the belt of a suicide bomber and NURS cassim .. too difficult to put it mildly ... and saturation of these .. fans of Muhammad with modern weapons .. it's like draining the Sahara ..
              4. George Davydov
                George Davydov 11 November 2019 02: 26 New
                +3
                Add to this - they were convinced firsthand of the meanness and impudence of the scumbags, whom Jesus Christ also called the servants of the devil, and they themselves - God's chosen, bearing the religion of slaves. It is time to speak about this in full voice, since we have democracy and freedom of speech, that the historical period after the liberal revolution showed us all the lies, aggressiveness and immorality of this evil spirits, calling us scoops and cattle, and therefore creating for us the most difficult social , economic, cultural, etc. conditions for consolidating their dominant privileged and parasitic existence on us, on our work, on our resources. It is also time to understand, ponder, draw conclusions and begin practical activities to establish a real democracy - the Power of the Working People in the interests of the good of the People. Otherwise, we must say that the current democracy is a legitimate justification of power, which was usurped if the people, then the parasitic people. And it was precisely this historical period that proved the destruction of the civilizations of antiquity when the Jews came to power there. And it is precisely the destruction of the USSR and everything connected with it, strangely enough confirm this. Question: How long can this be tolerated? Really until the complete destruction of our homeland in accordance with the well-known theory of anaconda. It is time, I think, to take stock.
        3. alekszeit
          alekszeit 8 November 2019 18: 19 New
          -3
          Well, let’s say attack aircraft and anti-aircraft worked in combat. Plus, the Syrians were trained, for which it seems they paid for the loss of the alligator
        4. Alexey LK
          Alexey LK 9 November 2019 23: 21 New
          -2
          1. For 2-3 sorties per day, and so almost all the time - do you even imagine such a mode of operation? Technology and people - at the limit of possibilities ... In isolation from repair bases, from warehouses of spare parts and materials, from infrastructure ... This is where, when and at what training grounds do they work?
          2. Several shot down planes and helicopters, hunting for pilots and finishing them off - says anything, but not about "extremely favorable conditions" and not about "greenhouse conditions".
          3. How many times have there been drone attacks on the airfield - in the know? Air defense, by the way, does not (at the beginning of the operation) have neither much experience, nor extensive theory, nor specialized means to combat such a new type of threat; it has to learn "on the fly."
          4. Yes, one of the opponents did not really have air defense. But other opponents have air defense, space reconnaissance, bases in the region, strong allies, and much more.
          5. Imagine there were no nuclear strikes at airfields, headquarters or other strategic sites. And what, conditions automatically become greenhouse? No, they are warm, very warm. Hot.
          6. The purpose of using the armed forces is not to create "reasons for pride", but to solve certain specific tasks in the interests of the state. It is then that journalists, PR people, bloggers and publicists build their communications on specific material.
          7. Anyone who asks about the reasons for the pride of others should first ask a similar question to themselves. And here there is no reason for pride. There is a reason, a reason!
        5. kupitman
          kupitman 18 November 2019 11: 12 New
          +1
          MANPADS were su-25 shot down by them an example.
          When you sit on the couch, it is always easy to fight and there is no reason for pride, of course, yeah.
      6. alekszeit
        alekszeit 8 November 2019 18: 05 New
        -2
        and where did the transporter who fell during the landing approach go? The second largest loss of personnel
      7. Vitaly gusin
        Vitaly gusin 8 November 2019 21: 13 New
        -7
        Quote: Aerodrome
        to be honest, to the end ... 2

        It remains to supplement how many air battles were and how many and which planes were shot down.
        How many air defense facilities were destroyed, from which it was necessary to leave and break through their defense?
        This is the combat experience of aviation.
        And flight skills and dropping bombs can be done at the training ground.
        Therefore, the troops were withdrawn from Syria three times, but under the pressure of the military-industrial complex through which billions pass, I did not want to lose this and returned with a new one.
        And 4 years have already passed and how much longer will it last, is it really not clear that this is a SWAMP without a bottom.
        Patriotism is a GREAT treasure, but when it turns into hatred, it leads to a real feeling of what is happening and leads to tragedy (an example of the USSR)
      8. huntsman650
        huntsman650 8 November 2019 22: 47 New
        -6
        Did you forget about Roman Filipov Roman? SU-25
      9. DPN
        DPN 9 November 2019 00: 53 New
        -6
        to be honest, until the end ... November 24, 2015, the Su-24M was treacherously shot down by the Turkish Air Force F-16. It was a stab in the back. One pilot was killed by ground fire.

        So this stab in the back, someone was very NECESSARY.
      10. bandabas
        bandabas 9 November 2019 01: 55 New
        -2
        I completely agree with you. By the way. Under the USSR, there was no such thing as "sound". Personally, I'm talking at work.
        1. bandabas
          bandabas 11 November 2019 11: 13 New
          0
          Greetings to the "voices"!
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      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 8 November 2019 09: 09 New
        0
        And such creatures just need to hit the head with a dumb, to understand what is good and what is bad. These dwellers were simply not brought up at home in childhood, they will have to be taught now. They have gingerbread, it remains only a whip.
    3. raw174
      raw174 8 November 2019 11: 56 New
      +4
      Quote: Chaldon48
      Now the main thing is not to lose it and pass it on to descendants.

      The situation in the world is such that the descendants themselves will gain combat experience, if only not for the global format ...
    4. antivirus
      antivirus 9 November 2019 04: 44 New
      +5
      and caps were thrown into the air ...
      in Spain we also got combat experience, then it was summer 41g
      1. Nikolai Korovin
        Nikolai Korovin 9 November 2019 23: 38 New
        0
        Why compare the absolutely incomparable?
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 10 November 2019 11: 17 New
          +1
          human blood is not water, DNA of a soldier of the Red Army 41 = DNA of a soldier, officer of 2019
  2. Thrifty
    Thrifty 8 November 2019 05: 39 New
    16
    Alexander, but we didn’t have to leave the region, but dance to the tune of the United States, giving Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi to slaughter them! It is good that Assad was not given to the Yankees for devastation. By and large, we only won back the short-sighted decision to massively close our military bases in the region. We are only again trying to return to where the USSR had good positions.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 8 November 2019 05: 46 New
      10
      but there was a choice?) who would pay for these bases and the protection of these countries? then we had nothing to eat ourselves.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 8 November 2019 06: 09 New
        22
        Quote: carstorm 11
        who would pay for these bases and the protection of these countries?

        It's right! Whoever? And nobody. After all, no one paid for the modernization of the aircraft except for the Russian taxpayer at a time when billions of stolen money were withdrawn abroad and were engaged in the construction of villas and the most expensive yachts in the world ... Since 2000, only according to official data, $ 666 billion has "floated" from the country yes, the combined wealth of Russian oligarchs and dollar millionaires has grown to $ 400 billion ...
        Quote: carstorm 11
        then we had nothing to eat ourselves.

        "There was nothing to eat" and "they did not give" - ​​two big differences. I am still not allowed to ride a Maserati - I get by with a GT bike and minibuses ...
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 8 November 2019 06: 26 New
          -1
          Lord, what difference does it make? I say that there was no money for these bases then. why is this another topic. the man said it was necessary not to leave. I replied that there was still no choice. and why and why this is the tenth thing.
        2. Reklastik
          Reklastik 8 November 2019 07: 45 New
          +1
          Could reduce the consumption and burden on natural resources and walk, or use a Soviet bicycle, they are strong and durable .... GT - unpatriotic))) STELS is our everything!
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 8 November 2019 09: 20 New
            +7
            Quote: Reklastik
            Could reduce the consumption and burden on natural resources and walk, or use a Soviet bicycle, they are strong and durable .... GT - unpatriotic))) STELS is our everything!

            I can do a lot of things, even more - I could earlier. My patriotism is that I understand the indignation of people directly related to injustice, but when they talk about “no money”, chewing on a piece of a sandwich with black caviar, it becomes unbearably disgusting from such communication.
            As for the load on natural resources, I can help - reduce the pressure on the soil in certain places where there are talkers and boltologists.
            1. Den717
              Den717 8 November 2019 13: 33 New
              +1
              Quote: ROSS 42
              I can help - reduce the pressure on the soil in certain places of the accumulation of talkers and boltologists.

              Are you a retired hitman? laughing I don’t eat black caviar. I do not like her. But annoying reasonless arguments and unsubstantiated statements annoy me. Like, all the media shout that somewhere they stole something, well, I will scream out of solidarity. And what was really stolen there, what's the difference?
              1. Nikolai Korovin
                Nikolai Korovin 9 November 2019 23: 42 New
                0
                The pope took. If you really stole, let him sit, according to Zheglov. Why shout?
            2. Reklastik
              Reklastik 9 November 2019 08: 58 New
              0
              As for the load on natural resources, I can help - reduce the pressure on the soil in certain places where there are talkers and boltologists.
              - usually in such places already asphalt, and in the villages of Hyde there are no parks for hangouts)))
        3. Boris55
          Boris55 8 November 2019 09: 13 New
          +4
          Quote: ROSS 42
          when billions of stolen money were withdrawn abroad

          And not only stolen. No less than our citizens themselves take out honestly earned vacations abroad from the country. Buying alcohol (beer, wine, vodka) and cigarettes, we ourselves sponsor our degradation by sending the proceeds from these sales over the hill and leaving all the sores and destroyed families to ourselves ...
          1. Nikolai Korovin
            Nikolai Korovin 9 November 2019 23: 44 New
            0
            Now I don't remember the numbers, but somehow I figured it out. The costs of tourists and payments for imports within the country are much less than the direct export of capital. "The export of capital prevails over the export of goods."
            1. Den717
              Den717 10 November 2019 09: 19 New
              0
              Quote: Nikolai Korovin
              The expenses of tourists and the payment of imports within the country are much less than the direct export of capital.

              What do you mean by "capital export"? The return or servicing of foreign loans, the profit of foreign investors - this is also the export of capital. What is their share in the total mass exported? How bad is it? And what? We are building SP-2 today. Half of this process is financed by Gazprom, the other half - by another 4 or 5 large companies from Europe. Of course, during the operation of the pipe, part of the profit will be distributed to them even in a slightly larger part than the amount invested. Are we going to shout "capital is being taken out" again?
      2. krjugerfred
        krjugerfred 8 November 2019 21: 57 New
        -1
        It was. Tagged and drunk cum
      3. George Davydov
        George Davydov 11 November 2019 02: 31 New
        -1
        Add to this - they were convinced firsthand of the meanness and impudence of the scumbags, whom Jesus Christ also called the servants of the devil, and they themselves - God's chosen, bearing the religion of slaves. It is time to speak about this in full voice, since we have democracy and freedom of speech, that the historical period after the liberal revolution showed us all the lies, aggressiveness and immorality of this evil spirits, calling us scoops and cattle, and therefore creating for us the most difficult social , economic, cultural, etc. conditions for consolidating their dominant privileged and parasitic existence on us, on our work, on our resources. It is also time to understand, ponder, draw conclusions and begin practical activities to establish a real democracy - the Power of the Working People in the interests of the good of the People. Otherwise, we must say that the current democracy is a legitimate justification of power, which was usurped if the people, then the parasitic people. And it was precisely this historical period that proved the destruction of the civilizations of antiquity when the Jews came to power there. And it is precisely the destruction of the USSR and everything connected with it, strangely enough confirm this. Question: How long can this be tolerated? Really until the complete destruction of our homeland in accordance with the well-known theory of anaconda. It is time, I think, to take stock.
    2. Air force
      Air force 8 November 2019 07: 39 New
      +8
      Well, you should understand that it was not possible to stay there, the article says that even at the beginning of the Syrian campaign there is a lack of BDK, and you tell Sadam why you passed it, what kind of kindergarten.
    3. Doliva63
      Doliva63 8 November 2019 18: 30 New
      +6
      Quote: Thrifty
      Alexander, but we didn’t have to leave the region, but dance to the tune of the United States, giving Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi to slaughter them! It is good that Assad was not given to the Yankees for devastation. By and large, we only won back the short-sighted decision to massively close our military bases in the region. We are only again trying to return to where the USSR had good positions.

      For some reason, it seems that the Russian Federation will never catch up with the USSR. The West will not. The West is even ready for war so that the Russian Federation does not rise so high. And you know why? Because they are still afraid of the USSR.
      1. Yura
        Yura 8 November 2019 20: 46 New
        -1
        Quote: Doliva63
        Because they are still afraid of the USSR

        They were not afraid of the USSR, they knew what he was capable of and what he could do and what to expect, but now they are exactly afraid, because in their opinion, with their complete superiority, they ceased to understand how everything would end, there is an understanding that any armed movement to the side Russia will be the last catastrophe for them, but they hide this thought as deeply as they can, otherwise all their allies, both imaginary and non-imaginary, will turn away or simply distance themselves from them and hastily declare the status of their states "neutral" or "non-aligned." But then the United States and Great Britain will remain face to face with Russia and this will mean the real end of the unipolar world.
      2. Good_Anonymous
        Good_Anonymous 10 November 2019 01: 49 New
        +1
        Quote: Doliva63
        For some reason, it seems that the Russian Federation will never catch up with the USSR. The West will not.


        The Russian Federation will certainly never catch up with the USSR. And not because someone will not, but simply because it is 2 times smaller (this is not counting CMEA), and the population is decreasing. And is it necessary to catch up with the USSR ...

        Quote: Doliva63
        still afraid of the USSR


        The USSR peacefully collapsed almost 30 years ago, because there were no people willing to defend it. No one is afraid of him anymore.
  3. jonht
    jonht 8 November 2019 06: 15 New
    +2
    Thank you, a pretty good analysis, given the fact that we used open and accessible data. hi
    1. depressant
      depressant 8 November 2019 09: 19 New
      0
      Great analysis! And by the way, yes, last year it was bitter - everyone has drones, but we don’t have them. No, that's all, even crack! And if there is, then the frail development is in its infancy. It turns out we have drones. And as if they appeared suddenly and immediately, and very good. And they are constantly improving. This is good!
      1. Den717
        Den717 8 November 2019 13: 46 New
        +3
        Quote: depressant
        And as if they appeared suddenly and immediately, and very good.

        I once served in our Polar region in 1985, an operator of an unmanned reconnaissance aircraft lived with me in a communal apartment. Quite often he went on "flights". So "not all of a sudden" and not "immediately", but slowly and incrementally. We have had UAVs for a long time, just today they have increased attention in connection with the microprocessor revolution and increased capabilities. This topic stuck to languages. We were not in the leading roles in it, there is nothing wrong with that. For this reason, we have not lost a single war. And competitive struggle presupposes that there are always leaders and there are those who are catching up. Today we are approaching the leaders in this, but we are failing in another direction. So we swing ... However, like everyone else ...
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 8 November 2019 18: 20 New
          +6
          Quote: Den717
          Quote: depressant
          And as if they appeared suddenly and immediately, and very good.

          I once served in our Polar region in 1985, an operator of an unmanned reconnaissance aircraft lived with me in a communal apartment. Quite often he went on "flights". So "not all of a sudden" and not "immediately", but slowly and incrementally. We have had UAVs for a long time, just today they have increased attention in connection with the microprocessor revolution and increased capabilities. This topic stuck to languages. We were not in the leading roles in it, there is nothing wrong with that. For this reason, we have not lost a single war. And competitive struggle presupposes that there are always leaders and there are those who are catching up. Today we are approaching the leaders in this, but we are failing in another direction. So we swing ... However, like everyone else ...

          When I was in the USSR Armed Forces, a detachment / squadron of drones was in every deployed army. The failure in this matter arose with a hunchbacked idiot. Then they "cut" a lot of what was already in the troops.
          1. Den717
            Den717 8 November 2019 18: 37 New
            +2
            Quote: Doliva63
            Failure in this matter arose with a hunchbacked idiot.

            Gorbachev, of course, is a noble bastard, but in this problem, I mean the economy, he inherited a grave condition in the country. Khrushchev began here, exacerbated Brezhnev, refusing Kosygin reforms. Stalin's backlog lasted until the mid-70s. Then came loans, foreign products, a decline in oil prices, etc. By the time of Gorbachev, the CPSU had proved its inability to work productively in the construction of the state. Memories of the USSR of the 80s today are more nostalgia about their youth than about the real standard of living of the people.
            1. Doliva63
              Doliva63 8 November 2019 20: 19 New
              +1
              Quote: Den717
              Quote: Doliva63
              Failure in this matter arose with a hunchbacked idiot.

              Gorbachev, of course, is a noble bastard, but in this problem, I mean the economy, he inherited a grave condition in the country. Khrushchev began here, exacerbated Brezhnev, refusing Kosygin reforms. Stalin's backlog lasted until the mid-70s. Then came loans, foreign products, a decline in oil prices, etc. By the time of Gorbachev, the CPSU had proved its inability to work productively in the construction of the state. Memories of the USSR of the 80s today are more nostalgia about their youth than about the real standard of living of the people.

              I agree, in general.
              1. Nikolai Korovin
                Nikolai Korovin 9 November 2019 23: 51 New
                0
                The standard of living was slow, with deviations, but it was growing. Not so it was at first glance bad. But the shadow economy has already developed strongly, and the felling of vineyards and other crap rocked the situation. The decisive blow is the permission to cash funds. Some people, while registering for a pension, were amazed to learn that in the years 90-91 they received several times more than they actually did. Italian bookkeeping was already in full swing. Do not stop.
                1. Den717
                  Den717 10 November 2019 08: 49 New
                  0
                  Quote: Nikolai Korovin
                  The standard of living is slow, with retreats, but grew

                  Do you remember the article from Pravda?
                  Quote: Nikolai Korovin
                  Not so it was at first glance bad.

                  On the first - yes, but on the second - even worse ... You probably did not live in that country. And if they lived, then not in that.
        2. Good_Anonymous
          Good_Anonymous 10 November 2019 01: 52 New
          -1
          Quote: Den717
          in the year since 1985, the operator of an unmanned reconnaissance aircraft lived with me in a communal apartment


          "Operator" refers to remote control. Then such technologies simply did not exist (although, of course, there were unmanned vehicles).
          1. Den717
            Den717 10 November 2019 09: 02 New
            0
            Quote: Good_Anonymous
            "Operator" refers to remote control. Then such technologies simply did not exist (although, of course, there were unmanned vehicles).

            I can't talk about the technologies used on them, whether "remote control" was performed on them, I just brought a fact from life. I served in the infantry, there was not enough time to sleep, not that I was interested in "neighbors" (their park was separated from our common fence). Whether I correctly named his position is also not sure. I know that he is a "warrant officer from a squadron of unmanned reconnaissance aircraft", and that they have clothing supplies like those of flight crews, although above the footboard of the tractor I never took off from the ground. laughing
  4. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 8 November 2019 06: 25 New
    0
    In general, the military campaign in Syria can be considered successful. And from a military point of view, and from a political one. The army showed its best side. The military leadership gained experience in command and control of troops in a combat situation. Equipment and weapons tested in battle.

    It’s hard to contradict. That's right. Experience has appeared.
    Yes, and the understanding that we most need here and now, it has come. And that means self-confidence and capabilities appeared. And this is a lot ...

    When the Red Army troops entered the victorious countries of Europe (Bulgaria in particular) they were met like this:

    And there was confidence that we did everything right - freed and saved from destruction. Time has shown that no one appreciated our efforts. Today, the soldiers of the liberators are met like this:

    Will it not turn out that after a while Russia will become an enemy for these "good" inhabitants of a "good" and distant country?
    For successes, you forgot that the videoconferencing system did not answer for the planes shot down by Turkey and as a result of the Israeli provocation. And with the barmales, it’s not all over yet ... Is it not too early to summarize, having a not very firm status and having an unpredictable NATO member in the allies?
    hi
    1. skinar
      skinar 8 November 2019 09: 33 New
      0
      Your second photo is not correct, or I did not understand the meaning of the paragraph and you consider the Turks liberators?
    2. depressant
      depressant 8 November 2019 10: 02 New
      +6
      Right, ROSS 42, right!
      After all, it was not even mentioned in the article how much humanitarian aid was thrown off to Syria! And there was so much of it that, reading about it, at other times I wanted to exclaim: "For us, throw it off, for us!"
      I really hope that the government will take into account the sad experience of past wars, when the beneficiaries paid for our good with their evil, and they will take full measure from Syria for the good.

      And one more thing that does not come from my head and, in my opinion, is the valuable experience of the Syrian war. Several times on TV they showed how, upon leaving the territories captured by the militants, refugees who had lost their documents, new ones were immediately issued in the tent at the checkpoint. Just from the words of those who have lost.
      Government of the Russian Federation!
      Consider this experience too! How many people of indigenous Russian nationalities who fled to the territory of the Russian Federation as to their ethnic homeland from the "fraternal" union republics are still tossing themselves without citizenship since 1992! Because the documents were lost or incorrectly executed. There are many of these people! And these people are not scum, not bandits! Many of them over the past period have become valuable specialists, are useful, but without a Russian passport in old age they will die in a ditch.
      But since the beginning of 2019, according to the Accounting Chamber, we have become 52,5 thousand less. The influx of migrants does not make up for the decline of the indigenous! Think about it!
      Need a presidential decree!
      Kind to strangers, be kind to your own!

      Colleagues, I'm sorry that the retreat is not the case. It just hurts a lot.
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 10 November 2019 20: 12 New
        -1
        Correctly write, I live on the border of Russia and Kazakhstan, there are many friends in Kazakhstan, they would love to leave, but in order to obtain citizenship you need to spend a lot of time and effort. Even Kazakh youths move to Russia, I ask them - what is better in Russia, the salary for the same work is three times higher. (Programmer's work)
    3. Den717
      Den717 8 November 2019 13: 55 New
      0
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Is it not too early to summarize, having a not very firm status and having an unpredictable NATO member in the allies?

      Is Turkey an ally? Since when? No one in our leadership has ever considered and does not consider her an ally. From whom did you hear that? Situation partner? Maybe...
      Quote: ROSS 42
      The videoconferencing system did not answer for the planes shot down by Turkey and as a result of the Israeli provocation.

      Somehow you look narrowly. According to your reasoning, should we have bombed according to Incirlik? And what would you achieve? Turkey, in fact, very sensitively responded with its economy, despite the fact that today it is in our partners. What would you achieve by unleashing a new Turkish war? Would it be better than today? Probably because you are retired because it’s too early for politics ...
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 8 November 2019 15: 53 New
        0
        Quote: Den717
        Is Turkey an ally?

        Syrian ally with Iran. Didn't you know?

        Quote: Den717
        Somehow you look narrowly. According to your reasoning, we should have bombed

        Did I write about Incirlik bombing? Have you been an oculist for a long time? What we owed and what we did was left in the past. Russia should be guided by its own interests (the interests of its own citizens) while being anywhere. And to shoot down a Turkish plane in someone else's airspace had every right.
        Quote: skinar
        Your second photo is not correct, or I did not understand the meaning of the paragraph and you consider the Turks liberators?

        Joint column, you can review here:
        1. Den717
          Den717 8 November 2019 18: 18 New
          +2
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Syrian ally with Iran. Didn't you know?

          As I understand it, for you "ally" and "partner" are equivalent concepts. Can you give an agreement on joint military operations with Turkey? It seems to me that you are not at all in the concepts of modern politics.
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Did I write about Incirlik bombing? Have you had an oculist for a long time?

          And from this pearl, I can conclude that you are generally difficult to understand. I mentioned Incirlik as a supposed answer to the Turks, following your logic. Do you understand the difference? You offered to bring down their plane. What would follow? Maybe war, maybe a break in diplomatic relations. And that’s it. Putin, by economic maneuver, forced the enemy to seek our friendship and support. Here is the aerobatics of diplomacy. But you do not understand this. You are stuck in Khrushchev’s ways of creating problems and overcoming them heroically. You would have to knock everything on the podium with your shoe ... Today it will not work. I’ll tell you more, Belarusians are not a very reliable ally for Russia, despite the alliance agreement and formal allied assurances. But in reality, this is not quite so. In general, in the world of fashion, the alliance has passed. The principle of situational partnership dominates. Not only here, but in NATO, for example.
    4. Dart2027
      Dart2027 8 November 2019 19: 27 New
      +4
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Today, the warriors of the liberators are met like this

      Not really a meeting, but nonetheless.
    5. oprovergatel
      oprovergatel 12 November 2019 16: 53 New
      0
      Do not lie so blatantly!

      In your photo from Syria, Turkish armored vehicles as part of a joint Russian-Turkish patrol.

      And, yes, cases of throwing stones and other garbage by the Kurdish population into Russian armored vehicles participating in patrols were recorded. But the local Kurdish population is not very versed in foreign lightly armored wheeled vehicles, but it knows how it looks like among the Turks. They saw the Turkish armored cars and threw them all together.

      There is a video (googling in a couple of minutes), where during the passage of the column and throwing stones at it our Tiger slows down, a fighter comes out of it, says something to the local (you can clearly hear "rusi"), after which a few cries are heard at the local and the stones continue fly already ONLY in Turkish armored cars.

      So all the Kurds are well aware. And what threatened them, and who prevented this impending star. And the fact that so far they are not very versed in Russian technology is nothing, they will get used to it.
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 8 November 2019 06: 39 New
    +8
    confidence in their own abilities and capabilities appeared. And this is a lot ...
    I think that there was confidence even before that, it was simply reinforced and firmly learned that "the devil is not terrible as he is painted." In addition, the West was given an indicative lesson that Russia can defend its rights and interests with the use of the Armed Forces, not only in words, but also in deeds. And of course, the new military equipment that has been tested in real combat conditions is worth a lot.
  6. parusnik
    parusnik 8 November 2019 06: 46 New
    +3
    It should be added that the activity of the undead in the North Caucasus decreased, they were finished off in Syria. Another thing is alarming. Idlib, where the Turks with the anti-Assad opposition have settled ... When they leave, it is not clear ... The same Syrian Kurdistan ... When Turkey began an operation in this part, in the news there was information that the same opposition was involved in it .. The Russian military police began joint patrols with the Turkish troops in Kurdistan .. the barmales disappeared somewhere .. Lay down their arms? or where? ... The United States did not leave Syria like that, took control of Syrian oil, albeit frail, but oil ... Yes, the main thing is done, the rest is for later, but how long "then" will last ..
    1. Galleon
      Galleon 8 November 2019 09: 32 New
      +3
      The most unpleasant and disappointing thing is that the situation that you have developed and described does not bear this nation of the world. Syria remains the land repelled by the enemy, but one where the world has not yet come. And with ruin and anxiety you cannot build a normal life.
  7. Gardamir
    Gardamir 8 November 2019 07: 18 New
    +2
    Looks like the ratings are completely in the red if they decide to announce another move. About the Turks, why did the author not remember? Ah, yes, the Turks are appointed partners, they can invade the territory of independent Syria to restore their order.
    Oh you! Victory happens once, and not several times a year on the occasion of a holiday or election. The USA is pumping oil in Syria, the Turks are shooting, and six months later it turns out that again they hurried up with a victory.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 8 November 2019 09: 18 New
      -1
      Quote: Gardamir
      and after six months it turns out that again they hurried with a victory.

      When was the last time you heard about state ISIS?

      Life does not stand still, it constantly poses new tasks and they can be solved or not solved. We solve them quite successfully.

      ps
      9 of May is our victory, but before it could end, as new threats arose.
  8. Prometheus
    Prometheus 8 November 2019 08: 06 New
    +4
    The territories on the west bank of the Euphrates are completely liberated.

    Do not take into account Big Idlib, At-Tanf zone and the pro-Turkish zone in Northern Aleppo No.
  9. rocket757
    rocket757 8 November 2019 08: 15 New
    +3
    There are results, we will look at the right conclusions.
  10. Luvad
    Luvad 8 November 2019 08: 23 New
    -6
    The trust of the citizens of Syria, yeah, but what about the "stones from the sky" from the Syrian citizens?
  11. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 8 November 2019 09: 07 New
    0
    By the way, a flaw in our fleet also emerged here. BDK, which were necessary for transportation, we simply do not have.
    As far as I remember, the BDKs are intended for landing, and not for transporting goods over long distances. They were used because of hopelessness until they were bought by old transporters from the Turks.
    The mosquito fleet can cause serious damage to the enemy's Navy, while its losses will be minimal. And the firing range of several thousand kilometers makes even missile boats on rivers dangerous.
    It is unlikely that the enemy's conventional Navy will stand still and calmly observe how our "calibers" fly at it. The war in Syria showed that we have missiles that can be fired at stationary targets over a long distance, in the absence of enemy opposition ... and that's all ... I think that conclusions about serious damage to enemy ships are not justified.
    1. Sergey Valov
      Sergey Valov 8 November 2019 10: 29 New
      +7
      I agree! Add my five cents. And the second in the fleet makes the wrong conclusions. It is necessary to build not only an extremely small fleet, but a balanced one, and immediately. Cargo should be delivered to overseas theaters precisely by cargo ships, and not by the BDK. But so that no one touches these cargo ships, they must either be included in the Navy, or escorted by warships.
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 8 November 2019 11: 23 New
        +5
        Quote: Sergey Valov
        But so that no one touches these cargo ships, they must either be included in the Navy, or escorted by warships.

        The problem is that these cargo ships are quite expensive in terms of operation, especially in the Navy, but I personally don’t know how to solve this problem, and they didn’t solve it during the Union.
        1. Sergey Valov
          Sergey Valov 8 November 2019 20: 48 New
          +3
          As regards cost, when you keep Freight ships in the Navy, you are absolutely right. Under the Union, as far as I know, part of the civil courts was built taking into account the "wishes" of the military and it could be quickly mobilized by the fleet.
    2. oprovergatel
      oprovergatel 12 November 2019 17: 47 New
      -1
      I think this meant not only and not so much "Caliber".

      To begin with, the Caliber missile is, in fact, a whole family of missiles, among which there is also an anti-ship modification. It is much shorter in range than the usual version of the "Caliber" (if my memory serves me - up to 400 km), since, with comparable dimensions, it is heavier: because its warhead is armored (to counteract the small-caliber anti-aircraft rapid-fire artillery of the target ship), it carries a reinforced warhead to inflict maximum damage on the target ship and increase the chance of incapacitating it with one hit, and also has a second engine to achieve supersonic speed in the final section of the trajectory, at which there are more chances to slip through the ship's air defense zone or ship orders faster and with less damage. Here it is, just provided for hitting moving targets.

      And besides "Calibers" ... Russia is the leading developer and operator of anti-ship missiles in the world. Therefore, no other country can compare with our range of anti-ship missiles. And the standard sizes of most of these anti-ship missiles, except for the very monstrous Granites and Volcanoes, allow using corvettes and frigates as their carriers, and for some types of anti-ship missiles, MRKs are also suitable. And accordingly, we now do not need dozens of heavy cruisers, the construction of which will take decades. Now, in order to give the fleets stability and shock power, it will be faster to saturate them with such ships, the construction of a serious number of which, of course, will also not fit in a couple of years, but it will be faster than riveting a cruiser.
  12. rudolff
    rudolff 8 November 2019 09: 18 New
    +9
    "Moreover, this operation for the first time brought to the first roles not ground forces, but aviation. For the first time it was aviation that won battles. The ground units played a secondary role. Those components that were and remain strong for the Russian army (artillery, tanks, motorized rifles) in Syria turned out to be not the main ones. "
    That is, the units of the Syrian army there, like extras, were and were pretending to die? This is not the first time I have noticed that when they talk about the successes of our operation in Syria, the Syrian army is not mentioned at all.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 8 November 2019 10: 22 New
      +3
      Quote: rudolff
      This is not the first time I've noticed when they talk about the successes of our operation in Syria, the Syrian army is not mentioned at all.

      Syrian okay yet, but the Iranian, Iraqi and Afghan Shiites and, especially, the Lebanese Hezbollah are silent, although they took the very Aleppo, in fact
  13. Esaul
    Esaul 8 November 2019 09: 29 New
    +7
    Losses of 120 people? Yes, only in a plane crash with an ensemble and an airplane shot down by Syrians by mistake, about as many people died
    1. Den717
      Den717 8 November 2019 14: 08 New
      0
      Quote: Esaul
      Yes, only in a plane crash with an ensemble

      An ensemble is not a battle loss. According to the military, 99% there are crew errors. I have not heard the official result, but hardly anything radically different. They are immensely sorry, but still this is not a war, and to consider them together, Roman Filippov, for example, is not legitimate.
      1. Esaul
        Esaul 8 November 2019 20: 29 New
        0
        "And it doesn't matter at all how these people died. In battle, or it was the so-called non-combat losses."

        Those. the author did not mean combat losses. But still, there would be no operation in Syria - there would not be
        this plane crash. Another question is how much this operation was able to prevent deaths.
        1. Den717
          Den717 8 November 2019 20: 35 New
          -1
          Quote: Esaul
          there would be no operation in Syria - there would be no
          this plane crash

          It would be - it would not be. Nobody can reliably prove it. But the skill of the crew does not depend on the direction of flight. As the plane was dropped in flight to Syria, they could have dropped it on any other flight in exactly the same way. For all the will of chance ...
  14. orca77
    orca77 8 November 2019 09: 50 New
    +1
    They did not say anything about SVP-24 "Hephaestus". It seems to me that this is the most fantastic thing that has been worked out in Syria. Even the Su-25 with it from attack aircraft turned into full-fledged bombers. Not to mention the cost of ammunition.
  15. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 8 November 2019 09: 59 New
    -8
    Great article! The military campaign in Syria is not just successful, but super successful, and the fact that "all" Africa flew to Russia for the summit is proof of this.
  16. Essex62
    Essex62 8 November 2019 10: 46 New
    0
    The equipment and personnel were tested with real combatants - a huge plus. There will be no pipes in the geyropu - the second and most important plus. The RF Armed Forces have coped with the task with the author. It will be seen further. "Taking Berlin" is not a challenging task for us now, we should not demand to throw out mattresses and janissaries from Syria. All sides have local victories and parity there. Only the Kurds are sad.
    1. rudolff
      rudolff 8 November 2019 11: 43 New
      +2
      Why will there be no pipe?
    2. Oleg Zorin
      Oleg Zorin 8 November 2019 15: 17 New
      +1
      Kurds with oil))
  17. Petrik66
    Petrik66 8 November 2019 10: 47 New
    -14
    Again the trolls with their concern for our money, again "everything was lost", the money was stolen, it was necessary to spend not on airplanes, but on pensioners and hospitals. Stalin had to spend money not on the construction of industry, tank and aircraft factories, but to use all the money on the production of consumer goods, to give the people a boost after the First World War and the Civil War. It would be nice, but Hitler would definitely not exist, since he is a product of Bolshevism ..... There are large losses, thousands of "Wagnerites" were killed for Assad, and we 1. did not take revenge 2. we poured Russian blood on the earth in vain 3. all of - for the oligarchs, Russian blood gives them new profits. whining about black caviar? Well, buy yourself a can and eat, what's the problem if in your wretched world black caviar is not a controversial delicacy, like truffles and foie gras (gruel) is the apotheosis of success in life. She, she - you miserable. Interfaith war with the active participation of all external players, from the Americans to the leader of the Mobene-Uene tribe, does not end quickly. It is very regrettable to look at how Americans' money is spent on the salaries of those degraded people who have tied up in our internet and on this site ..... nothing new, a hackneyed record of wretched thoughts from the times of perestroika.
    1. Cossack 471
      Cossack 471 8 November 2019 19: 59 New
      +4
      I do not consider myself to be either degradants or all-crawlers. But in reality they lifted up requisitions in the clinic. Step stepped - pay. and already for me 60 And when I hear how the guarantor instead of opening an additional 3-4 medical institutes. since there are not enough doctors. offers some kind of student teams. well right. it doesn’t climb into any gates. By the way, I wonder where the doctors are. if medical institutes stamped them properly even with EBN
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 10 November 2019 20: 20 New
        +1
        I also heard this president’s blunder about student medical units, which, he thought, would run around the country and treat people. About this blunder is silent on all media and TV channels, as senility will be immediately visible.
    2. Petrik66
      Petrik66 10 November 2019 20: 15 New
      -4
      I’m very glad, -11 is an indicator, then I wrote it correctly. The united group of trolls and red obscurantists spoke out unequivocally. And to your personal opponent, but apart from the pension and how bad is it, do you have at least some kind of positive? Only those who have poured ........ ls in the present recall the past with tenderness.
  18. Serg65
    Serg65 8 November 2019 11: 18 New
    +3
    For several reasons, I can’t speak for the VKS, MTR, and even more so for the military police, well, at least it’s just not my topic ...
    But for the fleet you can talk ..
    About "Admiral Kuznetsov" and his adventurous campaign to the Syrian coast

    Alexander, but what is adventurous then? Enlighten please ...
    The campaign, thanks to which everyone is laughing at Russian sailors even today.

    laughing Nuuu! At VO, bonnets are still being thrown into the sky about this, some are thoughtlessly, and some are for money!
    What could the cruiser boast of?

    Well, firstly, the first combat use in the history of aircraft carriers of the Navy of the USSR / RF!
    Secondly, by getting combat experience by the personnel of the 100 OKIAP, who completed 420 sorties in two months!
    The intensity of sorties revealed a number of shortcomings, which during normal, peaceful operation were difficult to identify.
    This trip gave a huge amount of information that will be used both in the modernization project and in the projects of new aircraft carriers .. and they will!
    Perhaps the experts will disagree with me, but, as I think, the main victory of the Russian fleet is to provide the grouping of troops with weapons, personnel, equipment and everything that is necessary for the normal life of troops on foreign territory

    Perhaps as a specialist, I am mediocre, but I definitely do not agree! What you, Alexander, are hinting at, is not a victory, but a necessary measure! The transport epic has once again proved the need for specialized transport vessels, and preferably of the RORO type!
    Mosquito fleet can cause serious damage to the enemy Navy

    Maybe .... or maybe not. The mosquito fleet is not a panacea for all diseases, but only painkillers for a while!

    hi
  19. vanavatny
    vanavatny 8 November 2019 11: 26 New
    -5
    but how to put a few pluses ... hi and a link to the article, to everyone who believes that he can think, but for some reason still asks an idiotic question, but what do we do in Syria? Let's share it by the benign ... but a respectable author hi only about military aspects, thanks
  20. kotvov
    kotvov 8 November 2019 11: 46 New
    0
    . Strategic aviation with a wide range of non-nuclear weapons. To some extent this is a revolution. ,,
    they already worked in Afghanistan. The question is, is experience taken into account?
  21. dauria
    dauria 8 November 2019 13: 10 New
    -3
    Moreover, this operation for the first time brought to the first roles not the ground forces, but aviation. For the first time, aviation won battles


    Wake up, author. This "war" was won by Russia's strategic missile forces. A ridiculous "mixed" regiment at one airfield with no supply capability.
    Now the scenario - Obamka did not freak out, but gave an ultimatum "get out, in a day we will roll Khmeimim into dust"
    Aviation played the role of a kid for the seed - "touch me, adult uncles follow me."
    And that’s it. This made it possible to maneuver, concentrate on the ground forces - no one from the top bore backs, warehouses and bases, nor did he cover the barmalei.
    For the future - in such messes, the one who does not hesitate to be the first to stake a clearing wins. Provided, of course, that the enemy does not start a nuclear war for the sake of this clearing.
  22. Armata T-14
    Armata T-14 8 November 2019 16: 32 New
    -4
    What happened in Syria with the advent of the Russian army? Although, to be honest, the army we had there was scanty.

    So this only proves our effectiveness. Some 2 squadrons rolled out the terrorists who occupied almost the entire country. Now imagine what all our armed forces are capable of
  23. Doliva63
    Doliva63 8 November 2019 18: 06 New
    +1
    The article is at least illiterate.
  24. Tavrik
    Tavrik 8 November 2019 18: 56 New
    +4
    And can anyone remember what was the purpose of bringing our troops there? And, based on the intended purpose, the success of actions should be assessed.
  25. bars1
    bars1 8 November 2019 19: 43 New
    0
    As for the Su-33, they wrote that several aircraft were upgraded before setting off for Syria by installing the SVP-24-33.
  26. Cossack 471
    Cossack 471 8 November 2019 20: 04 New
    +1
    The phrase "MiG-29 SMT did not show itself in Syria in any way" amused.
    1. Saxahorse
      Saxahorse 8 November 2019 20: 16 New
      0
      Quote: Cossack 471
      The phrase "MiG-29 SMT did not show itself in Syria in any way" amused.

      In this case, "no way" is a synonym for "not needed". Against the F-22, he even more will not show himself.
      1. Pavel57
        Pavel57 9 November 2019 00: 52 New
        0
        And sworn friends only F-22? And when in Syria there were clashes with the F-22?
        1. Saxahorse
          Saxahorse 9 November 2019 21: 51 New
          0
          Quote: Pavel57
          And sworn friends only F-22? And when in Syria there were clashes with the F-22?

          Dude, do you know the letters? Why didn’t the text understand?

          If the MIG-29 SMT was not found in battles against barmaleys, all the more it makes no sense to wait for returns from this machine in battles against a much more serious enemy. Do you get it?
  27. Mikhail Drabkin
    Mikhail Drabkin 8 November 2019 20: 44 New
    +1
    —- Thanks to the author for the current article! +++
    —- Military-style concisely, clearly, figuratively and in Russian. No rubbish of Americanisms!
  28. tochila
    tochila 8 November 2019 20: 46 New
    +2
    Forgot about military engineers !!!
  29. xax
    xax 8 November 2019 22: 01 New
    +1
    In short, you need to know everything about the enemy. Only in this case can the next battle be won.

    Beautiful, of course, the promise).
    But he does not take into account the "madness" of this world, which, by no means, is not a rule, but nevertheless manifests itself not so rarely that it can be ignored.
    Some fights are won only because the side that got involved in them, who later won, did not realize the severity of the enemy and the complexity of the upcoming battle. Otherwise, thanks to a sober assessment of forces, the winner would prefer to evade the battle.
    In general, the Russian "maybe" - do not forget). But there is nothing to hope for him either.
  30. bars1
    bars1 8 November 2019 22: 41 New
    0
    Quote: Cossack 471
    The phrase "MiG-29 SMT did not show itself in Syria in any way" amused.

    The absence of the MiG-29SMT in Syria shows the attitude of the airborne forces leadership to 29 family fighters. Yes, and we got into the MiG-29SMT VKS, we can say by chance - Algeria refused them.
  31. huntsman650
    huntsman650 8 November 2019 22: 53 New
    0
    Nothing has been written about electronic warfare and electronic warfare.
  32. rusboris
    rusboris 8 November 2019 23: 13 New
    -1
    As a positive part of the war in Syria, the article definitely needs to be praised. However, let us turn to the part of the war hidden from the superficial view. For instance. What do we have for a low-intensity war in the Russian Aerospace Forces in 2019?
    Without anything small. About two hundred poorly adapted Su-25 attack aircraft and all. For doubters more. In a combat collision of a platoon of airborne forces or special forces with militants, the distance to the enemy is about 150 meters. The dispersion on the ground of striking fire weapons (bombs, missiles, shells) at the Su-25 attack aircraft is about two hundred meters. There is no air gunner in the platoon. Naturally, where do you find so many of them? Objectively, the Su-25 cannot be reduced to increase the accuracy of the attack. Too expensive car and pilot. At an altitude of about 1000 meters, the attack aircraft will be shot down with a high probability. The big question. Where high-tech drying will be based in Uzbekistan or Kyrgyzstan, in spring - in autumn. It’s not like an airfield; you won’t find a piece of asphalt there.
    Helicopters are even worse. Since the militants knock them out of a portable anti-aircraft missile system, a hand-held anti-tank grenade launcher, or a heavy machine gun at any acceptable height. Not worth 700 million rubles in losses for a downed helicopter, our infantry platoon.
    Anyone who has survived under friendly fire will not blame the author for cynical judgments, since, according to Murphy's law, friendly fire is always more accurate than enemy fire.
    For those wise men who trust in high-precision weapons, for example, guided missiles and gliding bombs, it is useful to familiarize themselves with their price. And most importantly, this weapon in the economic and technogenic conditions of the war tends to end quickly. No matter what you are told, they are told about money. And if a government official does not think well of money, he should be held accountable for it before the money runs out. To confirm my words, I refer to the study of the economic component of the most warring in the world Air Force, Israeli army. In more than half of the combat use of aviation to call infantry, damage to the enemy was not worth the kerosene spent on the flight of the aircraft. In addition, in Israel, surprisingly quickly ran out of stocks of precision weapons.
    In Russia, the cost of the Su-25 is approximately 1,5 billion rubles. Plus the cost of operation and the cost of training the pilot. The price is quite acceptable for the destruction of the Leopard and Abrams, but not acceptable for the destruction of the jihad mobile.
    In the Syrian air operation, Russian precision weapons performed well. But it is one thing to test weapons in combat conditions, another thing for decades to wage war, as the Israeli Air Force does.
    The sufficiency of firepower for an air attack aircraft in a low-intensity war in Russia has long been discussed. But a decision will not be made in the short term, according to the author’s estimated opinion.
    Firstly, the Su-25 is enough and it is being modernized. Alternative aircraft, such as the Il-10, the Soviet attack aircraft of 1945, are not even considered in the project. Armament of IL-10: 2X23 mm guns, 2X7,62 mm machine gun, 1X12,7 mm machine gun, combat load of 600 kg, unguided missiles, bombs. Fully armored center wing and cockpit glazing. Empty weight 4650 kg. Armor thickness from 4 mm to 16 mm.
    Successfully sold since 2003, Super Tucano, a lightweight turboprop attack aircraft manufactured by the Brazilian company Embraer.
    Armament: 2X12,7 mm machine gun, 1X20 mm cannon, combat load of 1500 kg, guided and unguided missiles, free-falling and adjustable bombs. Armored pilot seat. Empty weight 3020 kg.
    Super Tucano is actively purchased by 15 countries in Africa and Asia. Two hundred cars ordered in the USA.
    For the Russian defense industry, more than a billion rubles for one Su-25 is incomparably more significant than 300 million rubles for the conventional Il-10 attack aircraft. “Not for selfish gain,” but only for the Motherland.
    There are historical parallels. Produced before July 1941, five hundred high-tech heavy bombers TB-3 drastically hindered the ability to manufacture the winning aircraft, the simplest Pe-2 and Il-2.
    If the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation does not have enough strength to overcome the lobbyism of big money in the defense industry, there is a proposal to purchase a license to produce a low-intensity aircraft suitable for war abroad. Maybe it will help
    1. Operator
      Operator 9 November 2019 00: 40 New
      -1
      To the IDF to RA as to the moon - Russian small-sized reconnaissance UAVs "Orlan-30" in 7x24 online mode transmit a stereo picture to control centers, where it is superimposed on an electronic topographic map in order to determine the coordinates of enemy firing positions, after which cannon and rocket artillery comes into play with guided missiles equipped with an inertial seeker.

      Cheap and cheerful.

      PS Attack aircraft - this is the last century, and strike UAVs - a dead end.
      1. Saxahorse
        Saxahorse 9 November 2019 22: 01 New
        +3
        Quote: Operator
        To the IDF to RA as to the moon - Russian small-sized reconnaissance UAVs "Orlan-30" in 7x24 mode online transmit a stereo image to the control centers

        I haven’t seen such an idiotic comment for a hundred years .. Most of our UAVs are based on Jewish licenses. Laugh at the IDF, which all this a hundred years ago had and used, to say the least stupid ..
        1. Operator
          Operator 9 November 2019 22: 42 New
          +4
          And what does the Israeli aircraft model have to do with it - this is exclusively about the Russian software of UAV control centers bully
          1. Saxahorse
            Saxahorse 9 November 2019 23: 01 New
            0
            Quote: Operator
            it is exclusively about the Russian software of UAV control centers

            Yes Yes Yes!!! Draw - we will live! Why do we need a UAV, the main abstract software for toys and TV pictures .. laughing
    2. Petrik66
      Petrik66 11 November 2019 09: 40 New
      0
      TB 3 - a high-tech bomber? Compared to Pe 2 and Il 2? Well, to put it mildly - incorrectly .. TB3 - production from 1932 to 1937. , Pe 2 - the first flight in 1939. !!!!!! IL 2 - the first flight in 1939, both aircraft began to be produced in 1941. TB 3 - heavy bomber, PE 2 - diving bomber converted from a high-altitude fighter, IL 2 - attack aircraft. Where did they intersect? These are aircraft of different generations.
      1. rusboris
        rusboris 11 November 2019 15: 23 New
        +1
        Money for these miracles of technology came from one holey pocket. If they did TB-3, then they shifted to the right to another, and now they are cutting the budget. Like trishkin caftan.
        1. Petrik66
          Petrik66 25 November 2019 15: 54 New
          0
          Have you won the war? Or is it a fake?
  33. Ehanatone
    Ehanatone 9 November 2019 00: 19 New
    +1
    "The campaign, thanks to which all and sundry still laugh at Russian sailors today"
    Escheb from recklessly drown the bottom of the plane, never in combat conditions, already pull a hundred greens. ...!
    1. Petrik66
      Petrik66 25 November 2019 13: 32 New
      0
      Miserable, this is called running-in equipment in combat conditions .... everywhere and always, they paid for it with money and blood. You can not understand the delights of sex remotely, it requires depth, onslaught and skill ....
  34. Revival
    Revival 9 November 2019 01: 18 New
    0
    There are positive aspects.
    But, in general, the situation recalls the times of the Russian Empire, external successes and attempts to succeed, with internal poverty, the splendor of the court and the disenfranchised poor people in the bulk, to whom no one cares, and most importantly intrigues between the royal courts of Europe
  35. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 9 November 2019 13: 16 New
    +2
    Speaking about the results, it is necessary to add that after a successful operation in Syria, Russia gained a political advantage in the BV and around the world. The Saudis and the UAE met our president at the highest level. The leaders of 56 African countries arrived in Sochi, and indeed the leaders of the entire BV visited Sochi and Astana. So now the UN has moved to Sochi. Something like this...
  36. svoit
    svoit 9 November 2019 13: 43 New
    0
    Quote: Jura
    there is an understanding that any armed movement towards Russia will be the last disaster for them

    Most likely this is not at all the case, it is unlikely that nuclear weapons will be used in a local conflict with a non-nuclear power, especially if this does not threaten the existence of Russia.
  37. Kenxnumx
    Kenxnumx 9 November 2019 13: 51 New
    -2
    And in the context of costs and profits can be voiced?
  38. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 9 November 2019 14: 40 New
    0
    More results: According to various media reports, at the moment about 400 states are applying for the purchase of the S-40 Triumph ZSR. Among them are Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Qatar, Vietnam and others
  39. knn121121
    knn121121 9 November 2019 16: 02 New
    0
    Thank you for the article. the only criterion for evaluating any weapon is war
  40. Saboteur Holuy
    Saboteur Holuy 9 November 2019 17: 43 New
    -3
    I will write extremely hard! Forgive me Generals from MO, if you are smart you will understand me!
    The United States lost 1 fighter jet in Syria, Russia - 13 planes and helicopters.
    Ours transferred the Air Force and there was no shelter, the S-400 was transferred and the shelter was not prepared! What's this? Elementary! Unforgivable and stupid losses!
  41. Saboteur Holuy
    Saboteur Holuy 9 November 2019 18: 03 New
    -3
    Our MTR ... there is little information, but we can draw a disappointing conclusion from our one ... Our command, having named the simple and linear parts of the MTR special forces ... did not understand the role of the MTR. So what is in Syria is not the MTR, it's like at least a simple special forces ... Meanwhile, the MTR is a complicated, expensive and time-consuming material if you can call it so. SSS is not only special forces, special forces never played a major role in the US MTR, for example, the SSS is primarily an autonomous connection that fully provides itself with intelligence ... This is primarily operational, search work Where units of the type Delta and DEVGRU themselves are completely strategic, tactical and other surveys, where recruiting agents, are psychological warfare ... and in extreme cases when there is an opportunity to draw the 75th Ranger Regiment are engaged in ground attack ...
    The USA even managed in our area of ​​action in Syria to find and destroy the terrorist No. 1 Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi by the forces of the Delta detachment alone ...
    Our same units of the MTR perform functions at best which in the USA as part of the MTR performs the 75th Ranger Regiment ... and this is a classic special forces ...

    Ours would be to train operatives of the Delta type ... but it is hard to imagine that our bureaucrats would allow themselves to pay for long foreign business trips of operatives under the guise of for example travelers ...
  42. GUSAR
    GUSAR 9 November 2019 18: 49 New
    -1
    And victory in what? Victory is always some kind of fixed political result, but here?
  43. bars1
    bars1 9 November 2019 19: 52 New
    -1
    Quote: Saboteur Holuay
    The United States lost 1 fighter jet in Syria, Russia - 13 planes and helicopters.

    So Americans fought with ISIS only in words.
    1. Tank jacket
      Tank jacket 10 November 2019 07: 04 New
      +1
      ISIS - the irregular army of the United States, actually. The USA created and helped ISIS.
  44. alma
    alma 10 November 2019 08: 16 New
    0
    Three submarines of project 636.3 Varshavyanka and a boat of project 677 Lada will be laid at the Admiralty Shipyards

    Alexander, I think that you have an inaccuracy here. From the contract for the Pacific Fleet, it remains to lay 2 “Varshavyanka”. And Lada is probably truly one in 2020, one in 2021, if there is no new contract.
  45. Operator
    Operator 10 November 2019 16: 21 New
    +4
    Quote: Saxahorse
    Software

    "TopoAxis"

    Is it Hasan Huseynov? laughing
  46. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 10 November 2019 18: 16 New
    0
    Article (+), but Syria - regional, local war, without opposition from the Air Force. Serious war will require other aircraft. Not ultra-precise, but super-guaranteeing destruction.
  47. Essex62
    Essex62 11 November 2019 14: 03 New
    0
    Quote: rudolff
    Why will there be no pipe?

    So, they’ll drag me into the arrogant, despite us and Assad? The gut is thin. A full-scale conflict with the RF Armed Forces is not included in the plans of mattresses. Gesheft is not worth the loss and disappointment. The runway still wants to steer, it’s obviously a matter of high for it, so it’s the last straw, he won’t let our gas go to the geyropu. The economy of the pipe, the foundation of the stability of our Byzantine-aligarchic authority.
  48. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 11 November 2019 14: 36 New
    -1
    If ISIS fought against the United States and its allies as well as against the RF Armed Forces, then the coalition’s losses would be enormous, but we all understand that the USA simply led ISIS and the like.
  49. Cop
    Cop 11 November 2019 20: 45 New
    -1
    The Russian army lost about 120 soldiers and officers in this war.
    The author, what did you modestly keep silent about the dead members of the Slavic Corps, the employees of Mr. Utkin, Russian cultural figures, doctors, etc. After all, they also fought for our interests. Not always with weapons, but still. Not good of you and not decent ......
  50. max.chipoletto
    max.chipoletto 13 November 2019 00: 04 New
    0
    Nichrome a quarrel, and who, all the same, is a spy