Graz. Arsenal of privates


View of the city of Graz and Mount Schlossberg. The city is old, very beautiful, there are few tourists in it, and you can also ride it on a free municipal tram!


Where our favorite city stands
Amid the green of Moore, like a dress, satin,
Where the spirit of art and knowledge reigns
There in the true temple of beautiful nature -
Beautiful land - Styria land,
Earth is dear, my homeland!
Hymn of Styria. Dachstein Song 1844 Translation by Arkady Kuznetsov


Military museums of Europe. The city referred to in the epigraph is Graz, which is today the capital of Styria, and in the past even the capital of Austria. The city is old and very beautiful. In any case, those who visited it say so. I personally did not happen, just drove by and admired it from afar. But those who have been there report that the center of Graz is quite small in size. It is quite possible to get around it all in a day, with simultaneous visits to museums. True, this is only if you just walk and watch. “Sell your eyes” ... Viewing some museums for some “visitors” would require much more time. One of them is the Arsenal Museum (Landeszeughaus). And someone who, and I certainly would not have quickly left him. Fortunately, we live in the information society today. You find the site of the museum or organization you need and apply there with a letter. An answer comes with permission to use their photographic materials, after which you take and use. Usually answers of this kind come from the West: “Oh, how good it is that you turned to us. Here’s your password, access code for all information - use it. ” From our Armory the chamber in the Kremlin, the answer also came to me, but there for the right to publish one image of a museum object on the site they asked me for 6500 rubles. Just lovely, isn't it? Well, let’s do without them. But about this very Arsenal in Graz on the pages of "VO" very many wanted to know in more detail, and now I can talk about it.


View of the city of Graz from Mount Schlossberg. The strange building on the left resembling holoturia is Kunsthaus. It’s also a museum, or rather a gallery of modern art, opened as part of the Cultural Capital of Europe program in 2003. The concept of this very strange building was developed by famous London architects Peter Cook and Colin Fournier

Well, it will be necessary to start with the fact that the main street of Graz is Central Street, or Herrengasse. Along are the most beautiful buildings of this city. And if you go down this street, you will surely stumble upon a five-story house painted in bright yellow and decorated with baroque sculptures of warlike Mars and the warrior of Minerva, but also a patroness of arts. Above the entrance to the building is the coat of arms of Graz, which adorns the image of the heraldic panther.


Entrance to Arsenal


And this is a view of the building itself

This is the Arsenal and the most amazing thing that is stored in this building ... the largest collection of ancient weapons in Europe. It is clear that the people of Graz are very proud of their weapons museum and are always ready to ask the tourist, but did he see them Landeszeughaus? Wendalen Beheim, the chief curator of the Imperial Arsenal in Vienna, also once visited here and wrote that this Zeichhaus with all its intact equipment of the first half of the 17th century is a completely unique phenomenon in the world. Moreover, he wrote this in his Encyclopedia of Arms and ... turned out to be not quite right, since there are earlier examples. However, he also reports that some information about this house, standing here since the XIV century, was already in the 1547 year. That is, in the middle of the XVI century there was already an arsenal, and weapons were stored in it.


The guns, let’s say, are the most common here, but look at the wall. What an amazing amount of heavy fortress muskets of tremendous range are exhibited there

However, the building of the workshop was built in 1642 year. And the most interesting thing is that it is filled with armor and weapons that were not assembled here for the sake of the amusement of someone who, like the same emperor Maximilian I (and even more so Maximilian II), decided to collect for his own pleasure. Almost all of the local exhibits, except for a few artifacts from the 15th century, are the real weapons that belonged to the inhabitants of the city.


Here they are, “iron guys”, leaving in rows in the dark. And then there are helmets and cuirasses, cuirasses and helmets, and for the poorest - chain mail. The last even riders at that time often wore a Morion helmet or a bourguignot with a helmet


And these are typical armor of that troubled time: a bourguignot helmet, a breastplate with legguards, and shoulder pads to the elbows. Behind the halberds, with which you could easily chop and chop. The favorite weapon of the Swiss, which brought them more than one victory

Graz. Arsenal of privates

Halberd, the first half of the XVI century. Length 258,8 cm

The museum building is five-story, but it itself occupies the four upper floors, and on the first there is a tourist information center. And now, rising from floor to floor, you will see for yourself that you are in a real weapons warehouse, which contains 32000 of various exhibits from knightly, cuirassier and pikiner armor, including rush, halberds and drums, inclusive. And when the city was in danger of war, its inhabitants came here, armed themselves and went to defend it.

Cavalry sabers and infantry shields of the Rondash type. They came up with arming infantrymen with round metal shields in the Netherlands, and then this fashion was adopted in Spain. Warriors with shields and swords - Rondashers, could confidently act against pikemen and destroy their ranks.


The foot soldiers acted with such a weapon: two-handed swords. This sword was made in Styria in the 1575-1600 years. Its length is 171 cm, weight 3,51 kg

But I must say that the threat of attack for a long time hung over Graz constantly. The fact is that the city lies south of the Alps and is located in such a way that it is the “gateway” to the very heart of Austria. Therefore, already in the XV Graz becomes an important outpost, whose task was to repel the Turkish threat.


A very simple and harsh wheeled horseman pistol. South Germany Germany, late 16th century Length 74 cm, Weight 1,73 kg, Caliber 13 mm

In order for the Ottomans to be not unfair to storm the city, a powerful Schlossberg fortress was built in it. But the fortress would not have helped its inhabitants, if not for their courage, thanks to which Graz became famous as a city that has never been captured by the enemy. And when once again the Turks approached the city, the inhabitants of the city dismantled all the weapons stored in its arsenal, and thus were able to arm ... 16 thousand soldiers. Moreover, not anyhow, but to put it in iron armor, hand in hand shields and powerful muskets and pistols with wheel and wick locks.

True, then, in 1749, Empress Maria Theresa ordered this arsenal to be destroyed. But the inhabitants of Styria defended the right to save him as historical a monument, and although such arsenals were destroyed throughout the country, an exception was made for the citizens of Graz. They asked the Empress to save him as a monument to their courage and valor in battles with the eternal enemies of Christianity. Then no one had any idea of ​​tolerance towards Gentiles, and such an appeal worked!


Fine leather-lined Raitar armor. Made by Hans Prenner (1645), a gunsmith in Graz. This armor is one of the heaviest in the Arsenal collection. It has a dark gray color of iron and shiny metal at the edges of the plates. The cuirass plates on the chest, back, and helmet were polished smoothly and then black-burnished. To achieve good color contrast, all rivets, tongues for the belt, as well as the nose plate, its holder, screw heads, and hinges were gilded. The helmet has a quilted thick lining, which is sewn to the metal with linen threads, and inside also has a silk satin liner. On earphones and a neck guard of a helmet the inserts with semicircular petals are strengthened. They go along all edges of the gorget, on the front and back of the shoulder pads, as well as on the edges of the plates of the leggings. They are made of leather, which is covered with dark red velvet and edged with a gold border. In the XVII century, such armor was worn mainly by army commanders. The massive, often clumsy form was fully consistent with the image of the body in the Baroque style. Very wide leggings were supposed to hide cotton-filled pants and attached directly to the breastplate of the cuirass. It is believed that such a style in armor could have arisen in the Netherlands, which had a strong influence on European weapons of the first half of the 17th century. By the way, the weight of this armor in “three quarters” is 41,4 kg. That is, they are heavier than ordinary full knightly armor!


Another absolutely amazing Raitarian armor by Michael Witz the Younger, who worked in Innsbruck, around 1550. The client for whom they were made remained unknown. The armor is very simple in design, but this is no less luxurious. All patterns on it are chased from the inside, that is, they stand out in relief against the general background of a metal surface. Then the gaps between the details of the relief were blackened, and the relief surfaces were polished to a shine


Side view of this armor

The weapon is located in the arsenal as follows: on the ground floor (for us it is the second) there is a collection of firearms with wheel and flint locks. Armor and weapons, including tournament ones, are stored on the second and third floors. But again, the most important thing is that knightly armament is here, a lot of armor and weapons, simple armored men - soldiers of ignoble estates. Although there is even horse armor at the beginning of the 16th century, it is clear that this is purely knightly equipment. On the fourth floor, musical instruments are collected, without which then they also did not fight: regimental drums, timpani, flutes, various trumpets and horns.

The horse armor from Konrad Zeusenhofer’s workshop, created at the beginning of the 16th century, is one of the collection’s very valuable exhibits, as it is the only complete horse armor in the Arsenal’s collection, which only emphasizes the rarity of the equipment. Until January 1614, the armor belonged to the Upper Austrian noble family of Lozenstein. Unfortunately, it was not possible to find out whether this armor was ordered on behalf of the Lozenstein or was inherited by them. Then the armor turned out to be Georg von Steinberg-Würnberg, who in 1814 presented them with an arsenal in Graz. It is believed that the beautiful engraving made on these horse armor was made by the Augsburg artist, graphic artist and engraver Daniel Hopfer. The coat of arms engraved on them belongs to Georg von Stubenberg-Würnberg

Unfortunately, the combination of letters “IEVVDHH” engraved on the armor does not provide any specific information about its first owner or customer. Armor weight - 42,2 kg.


Rear view of this armor. Pay attention to the details of the tournament armor hung on the walls behind the horse. First of all, it is a shteh-tarchi on the left shoulder with a grid for fights in combat armor through the barrier

But how much is stored there:
2414 swords, swords and sabers;
5395 units of pole arms - peak, spears, halberds, protazans, etc .;
3844 armor sets? Breastplates, helmets, chain mail, shields, and knightly armor;
3867 rifles and 4259 pistols, as well as powder flasks, natruzki and bandelery;
704 guns, including falconets, scolopendras, stone cores, three organ guns, shuffles and all that jazz, starting from 1500.
50 heavy guns were removed from the first floor of the Arsenal when Napoleon’s troops approached Graz in order not to give rise to reprisals. But then they were not returned to their place, but the bells were cast from them.


Polished armor for the “new” Italian tournament through the barrier, Augsburg, 1570-158

Now here is the question that constantly pops up in the comments on VO: why doesn’t such a mass of old iron rust? After all, it is clear that such an amount of second-rate weapons cannot be remodels. His fake would simply not have recouped the costs, not to mention the entries in the documents of the arsenal. First, we note that the exhibits of the museum are well looked after, and the masters of their craft. Secondly, the fact is that the Arsenalo building was built in the technology traditional for those years: that is, it only has stone walls, and the ceilings, floors and wall panels are wooden. And not just wood - oak. And the tree absorbs moisture well, therefore, a special atmosphere is created inside the premises of the Arsenal, in which its exhibits feel very good.


"Field Armor" of Archduke Charles II of Inner Austria. Work of the gunsmith Conrad Richter, Augsburg, circa 1565


Caspar's armor of Baron Wols-Schenberg, Work of the gunsmith Michael Witz Jr., Innsbruck 1560

An interesting fact, in the 30 years - and our Pravda reported this for some reason, Adolf Hitler came to Graz as "Chancellor of the German nation." According to a newspaper article, one cannot judge whether he was in the Arsenal or not. But he could not know about him. What else could the residents of the city boast about before? However, when Germany experienced a catastrophic shortage of metal during the war years, so that even metal grilles were removed from the balconies of houses, no one touched Graz’s “metal reserves”. Not surprisingly, the precious armor of the Vienna Imperial Arms Collection and the collection of knightly armor of Ambras Castle were not turned into metal. But Grace’s arsenal? This is the mass consumer goods on 90%, which what it is, what is not, doesn’t, in general, affect history. But they didn’t let him into scrap metal and today we can admire the slender rows of “iron guys” and halberds, which go tens of meters into the darkened rooms of the arsenal. I myself have not seen this, but judging by the photographs, the picture is really impressive!


Arsenal facade and ... tram tracks of a free tram in front of it

This completes our tour of Graz's arsenal. But we will still get acquainted with its exhibits in the materials of the series “Military Affairs at the Turn of the Epochs”.

PS The administration of the VO site and the author personally express heartfelt gratitude to the Director of the Museum of the Arsenal (Landeszeughaus) in Graz, Dr. Bettina Habsburg-Loringen for the permission to use photographs of the museum’s artifacts.
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  1. Catfish 16 November 2019 06: 09 New
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    Friends, hello everyone, and special thanks to Vyacheslav Olegich! hi

    Absolutely gorgeous photographs, especially the "everyday" working iron, were very impressed. good

    PS But the look of a strange building in blue frightened me right away, some kind of monster in the middle of a very decent medieval. smile
    1. kalibr 16 November 2019 07: 43 New
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      This is thanks to Mrs. Dr. Bettina Habsburg-Loringen, Director of Arsenal. She allowed to use photos from their fund, and absolutely free! "The bestial, as it were, grinned Western capitalism!"
    2. Kote Pan Kokhanka 16 November 2019 07: 47 New
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      Konstantin, I was sad for another reason!
      The guns were poured onto the bells, oh sad, we had the same period, only to our pride in the reverse order! When, by decree of Peter, the bells and old cannons poured new ones into the cannons. The sadness is that the most ancient specimens went into re-melting. On the other hand, "for the edification and for the look of the descendants" there remained such masterpieces as the Tsar Cannon, indigorog, gamayun and other beauties!
      1. abrakadabre 6 January 2020 22: 39 New
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        we had the same period, only to our pride in the reverse order! When, by decree of Peter, the bells and old cannons poured new ones into the cannons.
        As for the bells, this is a legend. Bell alloy is not suitable for guns - the product will turn out to be too fragile and will not withstand the pressure of a shot. And this was known at that time.
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 7 January 2020 06: 28 New
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          Quote: abrakadabre
          we had the same period, only to our pride in the reverse order! When, by decree of Peter, the bells and old cannons poured new ones into the cannons.
          As for the bells, this is a legend. Bell alloy is not suitable for guns - the product will turn out to be too fragile and will not withstand the pressure of a shot. And this was known at that time.

          In the reporting period in Russia, copper guns were poured in a limited amount, due to a shortage of red copper. Her you are right in the bell copper minimum amount.
          Basically, under Peter the guns were made of gun bronze, and here bell-bell copper is used. Moreover, the monasteries sent the bell house, red copper, bronze by decree of Peter. So the truth is somewhere in the middle. In addition, cast iron, which was issued by the Tula, Olonets and Kamensky plants, was also used. Already during the lifetime of Peter, it was they who replaced the copper and bronze guns in the army and navy of the Russian Empire.
          1. abrakadabre 8 January 2020 22: 06 New
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            and here and bell copper is an application.
            There is no bell copper. There is bell bronze - a group of bronzes with a very specific composition. Which in the finished product gives the purest sound. However, such bronzes are more fragile compared to bronzes for guns. Therefore, when fired, such a gun will crack due to the pressure of the powder gases and kill its own calculation. To isolate copper from such an alloy for further use is a very non-trivial task for that time.
  2. vomag 16 November 2019 06: 11 New
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    Doesn’t it bother you what the armor looks like? All newcomers have no sign of participation in the battle .... not a single mark! Well, when I SEE 17th century armor rolling that began to be used before the First World War ... everything becomes clear to me .. the Germans before World War I’ve done a bunch of such armor and handed it to all museums for free! Here’s the story about the Middle Ages ...
    1. kalibr 16 November 2019 07: 37 New
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      This despite the fact that the documents for the manufacture of many armor hundreds of years .. So they forged documents? But many of them are kept in museums in England and France. So did the Germans climb there too? A number of achievements for their "curiosity" bought our Hermitage. The documents indicate the year. And this is also all the Germans faked? Why, what was the point of spending such a huge amount of money so that in some Graz people would get miserable pennies for watching them. And rolling. already used on Maximilian armor, this is 1500 year. By the way, there were photos of armor with traces of bullets and there will be more. So we appreciated your Saturday morning humor!
      1. 3x3zsave 16 November 2019 08: 00 New
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        Wait, Vyacheslav Olegovich, it will now become clear that up to WWII the number of storeys of buildings was limited to three floors!
        "And suddenly he asked: what, in Moscow,
        Are there really five-story houses? " (WITH)
        1. kalibr 16 November 2019 08: 11 New
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          Anton, I even met material on the Internet about the 1780 nuclear war of the year ... on the Internet. Well, Sodom and Gomorrah - they were clearly destroyed by the Annuaki with Nibiru with an atomic strike, or Mohenjo-Daro. But here? But no ... "Russia in Siberia" died as a result of this war! There are engravings, as they put the Alexandrian table in your St. Petersburg. Well, it's impossible! Like the columns of Isaac. These are ... footprints ... you are sitting, right? Antediluvian Sverhtsivizatsii adapted to the needs of the XIX century!
          1. 3x3zsave 16 November 2019 08: 19 New
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            "In the courtyard of the Middle Ages,
            Obscurantism and jazz! "(C)
            How can you remember Neanderthal Venus ?!
      2. Trilobite Master 16 November 2019 11: 45 New
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        Quote: kalibr
        Saturday morning humor we appreciated!

        Man already "understands everything", Vyacheslav Olegovich, you are late.
        But personally from me anyway, thanks for the article. smile
    2. Kote Pan Kokhanka 16 November 2019 07: 40 New
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      Quote: vomag
      Doesn’t it bother you what the armor looks like? All newcomers have no sign of participation in the battle .... not a single mark! Well, when I SEE 17th century armor rolling that began to be used before the First World War ... everything becomes clear to me .. the Germans before World War I’ve done a bunch of such armor and handed it to all museums for free! Here’s the story about the Middle Ages ...

      I don’t get it? Is it a step or prankster!
      Dear where you saw the rolling in the photographs submitted by the Author?
      Ok god, judge you.
      1. Mordvin 3 16 November 2019 07: 47 New
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        Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Dear where you saw the rolling in the photographs submitted by the Author?

        And I saw the coinage. And 45 size boots. laughing
        1. kalibr 16 November 2019 08: 07 New
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          Well, chasing, Vladimir, is also found on Bronze Age cuirasses belonging to the Hallstatt culture.
          1. Mordvin 3 16 November 2019 08: 13 New
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            Tatian culture. [/ Quote]
            I can do it too. Vysotsky minted at school. The gypsies rested. crying
            1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 16 November 2019 08: 26 New
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              [quote = Mordvin 3] to the Tat culture. [/ quote]
              I can do it too. Vysotsky minted at school. The gypsies rested. crying[/ Quote]
              So we found who rolled the Austrian armor by hot stamping, vacuum casting, adamant plates, followed by laser riveting of the rivets and etching Volodya-Mordvin Koval! laughing
              Only one question, for which the Germans gave all 3,5 thousand pieces !!! wassat
              Now seriously! To mint a portrait of Vysotsky, it's cool! Regards Vlad!
              1. Mordvin 3 16 November 2019 08: 33 New
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                Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
                Now seriously! To mint a portrait of Vysotsky, it's cool! Regards Vlad!

                Dad let the gypsies into the house, so they bombed everything there.
                Even the stove was dismantled and dragged. And they pulled out all the wiring. Mlyn.
        2. Kote Pan Kokhanka 16 November 2019 08: 27 New
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          Quote: mordvin xnumx
          Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Dear where you saw the rolling in the photographs submitted by the Author?

          And I saw the coinage. And 45 size boots. laughing


          Under the boots!
      2. 3x3zsave 16 November 2019 07: 50 New
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        "Step and step around, the path lies far" laughing drinks
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 16 November 2019 08: 30 New
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          My friend Antonishche, you’ll play a joke, they’ll roll you a tank around the corner again! Well, brotherly !!! They will also say it was wink
          Regards, Vlad!
          1. 3x3zsave 16 November 2019 08: 35 New
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            At the moment, I'm not joking, I'm busy with an important business. I catch personal gremlins-minusators "on live bait".
            1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 16 November 2019 08: 37 New
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              Yes tfu on them. They are like cockroaches - all from the silence or from around the corner !!!
              1. 3x3zsave 16 November 2019 08: 42 New
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                "We won’t be too tactful either,
                On our thorny path! "(WITH)
                There is a method tested by WikNick, it is hemorrhoid, but it works!
            2. Trilobite Master 16 November 2019 12: 11 New
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              Quote: 3x3zsave
              I catch personal gremlins-minusators "on live bait".

              Anton, and on a fig? Answer them the same? Or is it sports interest and entertainment? Then I shut up and wait for the publication of the results.
              Only do not disclose the technique, some results. In style
              by investigative and analytical measures it was reliably established that in the period from ... to ... such and such intentionally, in order to spoil my mood, I put at least (three, five, ten) minuses to the comments, which caused to me
              ... what did he do there? Or better so:
              ... (three, five ten) minuses, however, he did not bring his criminal intent to the end for reasons beyond his control - due to a lack of intelligence. Given the above, guided exclusively by good intentions aimed at correcting the identity of such-and-such, I decided: to disseminate in all sections of the VO the information that such-and-such is latent homosexual and suffers from moderate mental retardation (imbecility) .

              We will support!
              laughing
            3. Catfish 16 November 2019 16: 55 New
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              Vlad, buddy, hello! And where are we now without Antonov’s tank !? It’s like Bulgakov’s: “They will remember you, and they will immediately remember me ...” But we remember in the best and most respectful sense of the word.
              And gremlins are now full of capes, Anton is on the warpath - that's cool! good
              1. 3x3zsave 16 November 2019 17: 02 New
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                Konstantin! hi But "stuck" me with something! am
                By the way, what kind of a bayna again strives for me to suck in? Well this is not even a tank! Misera playing?
                1. Catfish 16 November 2019 17: 18 New
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                  The British self-propelled gun "Abbot", not bad, by the way the car in its class. But, apologizing, I return you, my friend, to your beloved tank.
                  1. 3x3zsave 16 November 2019 17: 24 New
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                    That is, the "deer" I'm northern ?! And I can everyone not vparit liquidation ?! Schaz !!!
                    1. 3x3zsave 16 November 2019 17: 52 New
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                      To blame! But already killed T9 on a new gadget. Hooray!!! How long?!
                      1. Catfish 16 November 2019 18: 23 New
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                        Anton, T9 - who is this? What a victim, I don’t know him. request
                      2. 3x3zsave 16 November 2019 18: 29 New
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                        This is not from the world of World of Tanks, it is from the world of cyberpunk, into which humanity is rapidly entering.
                      3. Catfish 16 November 2019 18: 39 New
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                        I don’t know, seriously. I don’t play “tanks”, I never know about the world of “cyberpunk”, but I trust you, for sure, something is completely bad. stop
                      4. 3x3zsave 16 November 2019 19: 25 New
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                        Read Gibson and Sterling. If you read in English, then Kurzweil. We already live in this world. I'm serious.
                      5. Catfish 16 November 2019 20: 22 New
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                        I don’t read English and in general I was lucky because I live in a village. And any cyber punk, if he dares to appear, will be drowned in a cesspool. smile
                      6. 3x3zsave 16 November 2019 20: 27 New
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                        They won’t drown, didn’t they drown you? Although you are by local standards, he’s still Johnny-mnemonics. laughing
                      7. Catfish 16 November 2019 20: 33 New
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                        But nevermind! I’m a normal man for them, for all generations, by the way. And the measurements here are not very different from those there. So drown, but not me.
                      8. 3x3zsave 16 November 2019 20: 47 New
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                        Yeah, only with a tablet and a quadric, and so, a normal person recourse
                      9. Catfish 16 November 2019 20: 54 New
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                        A quadric with a tablet has nothing to do with it, here in almost every house there are two or three cars, and with electronics, five-year-old children run around. So if they are jealous of anything, it’s only my gun of piece work, but these are purely “patsian” jokes.
                      10. 3x3zsave 16 November 2019 21: 08 New
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                        Ek everything is advanced, in Ryazan! You should go to Skobar lands, that's where the homespun truth and true nationality are! Meaningless and merciless request laughing
                    2. bubalik 16 November 2019 20: 56 New
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                      quadric

                      such or something laughing

                      ,, they’ll take it for sure tongue
                    3. 3x3zsave 16 November 2019 21: 03 New
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                      Not, Sergey, even an “A” category is not required on the “Ant”, but the tractor’s crusts are needed on the ATV. However, Konstantin put on this matter.
                    4. Catfish 17 November 2019 14: 16 New
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                      They always take their own for their own.



                      But strangers are afraid. laughing

                      Seryozha, seriously, then I have this particular cart, without a machine gun, of course.
                    5. bubalik 17 November 2019 14: 22 New
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                      hi awesome good but only in summer and on a sunny day negative
              2. Golovan Jack 16 November 2019 21: 10 New
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                Quote: Sea Cat
                I’m a normal man for them, for all generations, by the way

                Buckwheat porridge also praises itself ...

                Quote: Sea Cat
                drown but not me

                You will be forgotten. As unnecessary laughing

                Buddy wink
              3. Catfish 17 November 2019 14: 05 New
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                Buckwheat porridge also praises itself ...


                Judge by yourself ...

                You will be forgotten. As unnecessary laughing


                Is it your personal experience, unlucky? tongue
        2. Golovan Jack 16 November 2019 20: 36 New
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          Quote: Sea Cat
          I do not read English

          This is in vain ..

          Down a dangerous road, I have come to where I'm standing
          With a heavy heart, and my hat clutched in my hand
          Such a foolish fool, God ain't known no greater sinner
          I have come in search of Jesus, hoping he will understand

          I had a woman once; she was kind, and she was gentle
          Had a child by me, who grew up to be a man
          I had a steady job till I started into drinking
          And I started making music that went with the devil's band

          Oh, the years flew by like a mighty rush of eagles
          My dreams and plans were all scattered in the wind
          It's a lonesome life when you lose the ones you live for
          If I make my peace with Jesus, will they take me back again?

          If I give my soul, will he cleanse these clothes I'm wearin '?
          If I give my soul, will he put new boots on my feet?
          If I bow my head and beg God for his forgiveness
          Will he breathe new breath inside me, and give back my dignity?

          If I give my soul, will he stop my hands from shaking?
          If I give my soul, will my son love me again?
          If I give my soul, and she knows I really mean it
          If I give my soul to Jesus, will she take me back again?

          If I give my soul to Jesus, will she take me back again?


          Quote: Sea Cat
          I was lucky because I live in a village

          But on a site where not only from the village, climb out with enviable constancy)))

          Quote: Sea Cat
          any cyber punk, if he dares to appear, will be drowned in a cesspool

          Why in the village of cyber punks? Drown me .. those

          Miracles, damn it laughing
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          Hello, dear, have not seen each other for a long time. laughing
        4. Golovan Jack 16 November 2019 21: 13 New
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          cute

          Words do not trash ... honey. Here, listen:


          Freaks, damn it ...
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          Who would call freaks. laughing Go to the mirror comrade. hi
        6. Golovan Jack 17 November 2019 14: 07 New
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          Quote: Sea Cat
          Who would call freaks

          It is you - no one has ever called. This is your phantom pain wink

          Quote: Sea Cat
          Go to the mirror comrade

          I would say where you should go ... but the rules do not allow you to think out there yourself, to the best of your rich ... friend yes
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          I would say where you should go ..


          So say that to me. "The dog barks - the wind wears." smile
        8. Golovan Jack 17 November 2019 14: 31 New
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          Quote: Sea Cat
          me something

          Undercount. Nedomorskoy.

          You’re funny here, floods on the themes of history .. well, I don’t bring up people who are too old, because of the futility of these.

          Good luck on the road laughing
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  • Catfish 16 November 2019 17: 53 New
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    To the northern "deer" we are with all reverence ... fellow
  • Mouse 16 November 2019 21: 44 New
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    so, what are you, reindeer! wassat
  • bubalik 16 November 2019 17: 35 New
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    Catfish
    Today, 18: 18

    Konstantin hi
    ,,, I thought yes because the crew of the tank is not one person? ,,,and if ,, Antov tank we will not name bully ,, the crew of the tank like that? belay
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      Seryozha, where is the Chief himself? We will not call the name. And Kinder leads to certain thoughts ... Although there are many places in IS. laughing
    2. 3x3zsave 16 November 2019 18: 00 New
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      Shallow and skinny chicks, to blame! ladies, uninspire. "Not for life, not for death, not for a few lines" (C)
      Especially in golf!
      1. bubalik 16 November 2019 18: 08 New
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        The ugly woman is sad:
        - I should hope
        That someone will like me
        But women in the world are divided
        Not for ugly women and beauties.
        smile
        ,,, the taste and color of all the markers are different request
        Good evening, Anton hi
      2. Catfish 16 November 2019 18: 26 New
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        "Come on, girls, come on, beauties,
        Let the country sing about us! "(C).

      3. 3x3zsave 16 November 2019 18: 53 New
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        "Which year I am a widow,
        All happiness is past!
        But I stand ready
        For the cause of peace! " (WITH)
      4. Catfish 16 November 2019 19: 07 New
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        "Komsomol member, athlete and finally a good girl." (C. almost) laughing
  • 3x3zsave 16 November 2019 18: 38 New
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    "And women, those that could be like sisters,
    Paint the working plane of the nails with poison,
    In everything that moves, see rivals,
    Although they claim that they see people "(c)
    My respect, Sergey!
  • Korsar4 16 November 2019 22: 37 New
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    "And you are terribly busy, you eat cherry jam,
    And no one eats more beautifully on his earth than you "(c).
  • Mordvin 3 16 November 2019 18: 10 New
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    Quote: 3x3zsave
    Shallow and skinny chicks, to blame!

    What are the heifers?
    laughing
  • Catfish 16 November 2019 18: 20 New
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    Oooooooooooooooooooooooooh, Vladimir! Well you give! I did not dare to do this. Anton already accused me of distributing pornography. laughing
  • Mordvin 3 16 November 2019 18: 27 New
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    So I'm in kind, an article in the prosecutor's office ... laughing Pah-pah, I run away slowly, until the girls killed me ... fellow
  • bubalik 16 November 2019 18: 33 New
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    ,, do not run away from modera laughing
    I'm not evil of course
    just ban so love ...
    what a minor offense -
    I’ll stop you quickly.

    No, I won’t give a word to say -
    excuses to write.
    You are guilty! That's what I know
    and for that I’m ready to punish.

    Requests and complaints to the admin -
    let a stream come from you.
    He will send them to me right there,
    so that I can do everything I can.
    (C)
  • Catfish 16 November 2019 18: 40 New
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    Serge, did you see the movie "Don't Wake the Sleeping Dog"? Well then.
  • 3x3zsave 16 November 2019 18: 49 New
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    Do not exaggerate. Not "in the dissemination of pornography", which is punishable by law, but in hidden advertising of the LGBT community, which is completely unthinkable, it would seem .. laughing
  • Catfish 16 November 2019 19: 12 New
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    No, this is an ad for the new Gone With the Wind series. crying
  • 3x3zsave 16 November 2019 19: 33 New
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    I would not be so categorical. A lady has wonderful inclinations if she stops portraying a clothes hanger.
  • Catfish 16 November 2019 20: 24 New
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    To realize her inclinations, she needs a good "implementer", and with this, she needs to see a voltage meter.
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    if she stops portraying a clothes hanger.

    Fashion designers, they are, yes.
  • 3x3zsave 16 November 2019 18: 44 New
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    This one still has prospects for development, both into a woman and into a "harsh set."
  • Catfish 16 November 2019 19: 10 New
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    What soup set !!!? Fear God, Anton, even your dog will disdain, there is nothing to chew on. sad
  • 3x3zsave 16 November 2019 19: 18 New
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    I would ask !!! What dog?!?!? I have a dog!
  • Catfish 16 November 2019 19: 20 New
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    You? Dog? Baskervilles? wink
  • 3x3zsave 16 November 2019 20: 31 New
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    Yes! Female dogs! Labrador! Kind creature! He only loves to eat ...
  • Catfish 16 November 2019 20: 37 New
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    Our good friend here, Labrador Chloe, has met her at least five times a day, anyway she will lick and kiss each time. When they come to visit us, the wife immediately ran to see where our beast is, afraid of the dog. Seriously. )))
  • 3x3zsave 16 November 2019 20: 43 New
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    We can understand this smile
  • Talgarets 16 November 2019 08: 43 New
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    I have a few questions:
    1.
    Germans donated a bunch of such armor before the First World War and distributed it to all museums for free
    They are stupid?
    2. Armor made before the First World War should look like brand new?
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      According to Zadornov, "they are stupid" laughing
  • Captain45 17 November 2019 12: 15 New
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    when I SEE on the armor of the 17 century a rolling that began to be used before the First World War ... I get it all clear ..

    “Everything is clear, these are your remote controllers. Well, my trump cards are wonderful, I’ll flatter your ass ****!” (C) A. Pokrovsky “72 meters”.
    Thank you very much to the author, like Senkevich’s right in the "Travelers Club". That's when and where else you see it hi
  • 3x3zsave 16 November 2019 07: 52 New
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    Well, here we are and "reached" Graz!
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
    1. kalibr 16 November 2019 08: 05 New
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      Yes, Anton, it’s easy for you to joke. And imagine my condition. I’m driving on the highway. Graz 40,20,10, 3 km ... Here it is ... I see Mount Schlossberg and the remains of the castle and ... we don’t drop into it, we’re in a hurry to Vienna. He watched him and began to hope that ... I could later.
      1. 3x3zsave 16 November 2019 08: 07 New
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        But I wasn’t joking.
        "There are so many places in the world where I have never been before" (C)
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          "I wanted to go around the whole world,
          But he didn’t go round the hundredth part "(c).

          It’s good to have a system. And the transparent world has more than one drawback.
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            But Agasfer did not want request
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              Special image. At one time, the stories of Lagervista made a strong impression on me.
      2. Edward Vashchenko 16 November 2019 16: 36 New
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        Yeah,
        Great article about a great museum,
        Thanks Vyacheslav Olegovich.
  • Dalton 16 November 2019 08: 13 New
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    Yeah cool. The arsenal is chic and the article is interesting
  • Korsar4 16 November 2019 08: 19 New
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    Thank. Most of all I liked the photograph of horse armor. Where in the background there is an oak beam, shields and armor.
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    what a splendor! Bravo to the museum!
    and nevertheless dear pleasure this war
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    . An answer also came from our Armory in the Kremlin, but there I was asked for 6500 rubles for the right to publish one image of a museum item on the site. Just lovely, isn't it?
    Why bother to go there? After all, the fear of God, at least with regard to European armor.
    But the favorite weapon of the Schweiz was still a spear.
    Well, the last - probably the masters were called Michel, not Michael.
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    Quote: sivuch
    Well, the last - probably the masters were called Michel, not Michael.

    Probably so, but the text was in German, and Michael and Michel are different. But they will not argue, I do not remember. It was written a month ago. Need to check ...
  • kalibr 16 November 2019 10: 33 New
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    and nevertheless dear pleasure this war

    Expensive and metal-intensive! After all, mostly intact armor was preserved! And imagine how many cuirass was through and through the perforated musket bullet? Or affected by a core hit? They were immediately allowed to re-melt! But how many were made? After one of the battles near Eno Castle near Chartres, the ditches were literally hammered with helmets and armor of the slain, and local peasants then took them from there for 100 years and handed over the iron to local blacksmiths!
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    had to hide stuffed cotton pants

    It is unlikely that in 1645 in Graz there was cotton wool, a product of cotton growing. Rather, the stuffing of the pants was from tow or something like that.
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    Rather, stuffing pants was from tow or something like that

    Absolutely. Although cotton was already known to the Spanish Americans, and perhaps cotton wool was shipped from there .. But I can’t say for sure. In any case, the Cortes warriors used Mexican cotton shells.
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      Hello Vyacheslav!
      You somehow inspired me to revise one of my favorite films - “New Adventures of the Yankees at the Court of King Arthur”, film director. Dovzhenko 1988th year. It would be interesting to know your opinion about the armor (of course the dummy case), which were equipped with the knights in this film. I tried to figure out the shooter of “antiquity” of Henk and came to the conclusion that the machine gun with which he had a duel with the entire “Round Table” is a “creative” rethinking of some real model in the arms of the Dovzhenkov film studio, and from which he had a revolver slapped Mordred, more like a gas cracker of a company unknown to me.
      It would be interesting to know your opinion, at least in the order of "squats by the brain." smile drinks
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        Quote: Sea Cat
        and the revolver from which he slapped Mordred looks more like a gas cracker of a company unknown to me.

        Take the copper pipe, fill the matches, make a hole, and arrows ... laughing
        1. Catfish 16 November 2019 17: 02 New
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          No, at first glance everything looked pretty decent. I had to look at the freeze frame and increase the contrast. It is interesting, after all, that they could dig up at the not the richest film studio in the 1988th year. smile
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            Why the "richest"?
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              I wrote "NOT the richest" .. The guys from the Mosfilm Guns just boasted that not a single studio in the Union could compete with them. Even Tajikfilm. smile
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          The movie "Brother2" and our childhood! good
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            The movie "Brother2" and our childhood!

            What the hell? We dabbled in childhood. Two bolts on 16, a half-box of matches, and throw from the fourth floor. Babahalo great.
      2. kalibr 16 November 2019 16: 43 New
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        Good afternoon, Konstantin! Unfortunately I didn’t see the movie you called, that's what the matter is. I’ll try to see it and then ... But I won’t say “when”. A lot of work.
        1. Catfish 16 November 2019 16: 59 New
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          A very beautiful film with great actors. Evstigneev, Filozov, Kashpur, Nastya Vertinskaya, Kaydanovsky. In general, the film is a parable, it is a pity that it was not understood and appreciated, by the end of the second series in the hall and half of the audience was gone. request
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        As I understand it, you mean this "shooter"?
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          In general terms, it resembles one of the first SIG MG 710-3 variants crippled almost beyond recognition. The truth is not clear how this machine gun could get on the Dovzhenko film studio.
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      Nobody canceled the corporation either.
  • Undecim 16 November 2019 17: 15 New
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    View of the city of Graz and Mount Schlossberg. The city is old, very beautiful, there are few tourists in it, and you can also ride it on a free municipal tram!
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, since you decided to shoulder the heavy and responsible burden of an enlightener and violate today's propaganda imperative, according to which Europe should be portrayed exclusively negatively, I propose to diversify the theme of European militarism with impregnations of European civilian life, including the theme of municipal transport.
    Indeed, the same Graz tram network operated since 1878 and carrying more than 50 passengers a year is an excellent topic for the article, as is the Graz tram museum.
    1. 3x3zsave 16 November 2019 17: 38 New
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      To go nuts! This steam punk is still driving !!! In St. Petersburg, an "American" who went on a historical route collected 3 cars.
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        And even this one rides.
  • CTABEP 17 November 2019 11: 58 New
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    Just awesome. In my opinion, decorated single pieces of knightly armor of an astonishing price - this is still more a work of art, and not just a military outfit. But the ranks of the simple Landsknecht armor and the forest of halberds that go into the distance are impressive - the inventory of ordinary war workers, who became a symbol of the Renaissance war, is really worth looking at. Thank you very much for the article, now on my next visit to Austria I know what to see besides Vienna and Inbruck :).
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    Chic products.