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Yakov Dzhugashvili: a biography based on declassified data

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During and after World War II, many versions appeared about the fate of Yakov Dzhugashvili, the eldest son of Joseph Stalin. In 1941, rumor christened Stalin's son a traitor.


Yakov Dzhugashvili: a biography based on declassified data


In 1943, the media exaggerated news about the refusal of the “father of peoples” to exchange his own son for the German field marshal Friedrich Paulus. In 1945, witnesses appeared that the son of Stalin committed suicide. In 1961, Dzhugashvili was called a traitor hiding in the West, and at the beginning of the 80's, rumors circulated that he allegedly committed a sin by seducing his own stepmother. In 2000, a version appeared that Yakov Dzhugashvili died at the very beginning of the war and was not captured.

What really happened to Yakov Dzhugashvili was known only to his father, Joseph Stalin.

The authors of the documentary, in the hands of which were declassified materials of Soviet and German intelligence, will prove that the eldest son of Stalin did not betray his homeland. Nazi Germany, which unleashed an information war after the attack on the Soviet Union, used the name Yakov Dzhugashvili to make the Soviet people believe that the leader’s son is a traitor to the homeland, who voluntarily surrendered.

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  1. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 7 November 2019 11: 20 New
    23
    JV Stalin is a vivid example of the fact that the interests of the state are higher than personal interests!
    1. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi 7 November 2019 11: 28 New
      18
      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      JV Stalin is a vivid example of the fact that the interests of the state are higher than personal interests!

      Your untruth. Here's a sparring partner for example.
      From 2005 to 2013, he was married to Natalia Rotenberg. The ex-wife lives in the UK with two of their common children - Barbara and Arkady.
      Daughter - Rotenberg, Lilia Arkadyevna (17.04.1978), has a medical education, owns the Berlin medical clinic Vitalis-medical.
      Son - Pavel Rotenberg (born 2000), hockey player "Brookings Blizzard (Brookings, South Dakota, USA)
      That is where true patriotism is. He sent all his relatives to partisans in the forests of Dakota, London and Berlin. And you are Stalin, Stalin ...
      1. Spartanez300
        Spartanez300 7 November 2019 11: 34 New
        +6
        In his memoirs, Marshal Georgy Zhukov wrote that during one of the walks, Stalin thoughtfully said: “Do not get out of captivity. The fascists will shoot him. ”
        . At the end of the war, Stalin received the testimonies of his son's co-prisoners. Later, the testimony of the camp commandant and the guard were obtained, which testified to the worthy behavior of Jacob in captivity. Perhaps, under the influence of this information, Stalin softened his attitude towards his son and even began to show some concern for his daughter, his granddaughter. The fate of Jacob Dzhugashvili is still the subject of controversy. Despite a statement by the Federal Security Service on June 6, 2007 that he was indeed in German captivity, there is still a version that his captivity was a provocation of German intelligence. For example, Artyom Sergeyev, Stalin’s adopted son, claimed that Jacob was never in German captivity, but died in battle on July 16, 1941.
        1. Spartanez300
          Spartanez300 7 November 2019 11: 39 New
          +2
          This is the propaganda machine of the Third Reich of that time:
      2. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 7 November 2019 12: 24 New
        0
        Do not tell me: where does Sergey Khrushchev live? And where did Svetlana Alliluyeva live?
        1. tatarin1972
          tatarin1972 17 November 2019 09: 25 New
          0
          Can you remember how Vasily Stalin lived after the death of his father ?!
          1. Minato2020
            Minato2020 23 November 2019 02: 47 New
            +3
            Quote: tatarin1972
            Can you remember how Vasily Stalin lived after the death of his father ?!


            He was imprisoned by Khrushchev, after his release he went out as an alcoholic. Died for health reasons.
            1. tatarin1972
              tatarin1972 23 November 2019 14: 00 New
              +1
              It’s strange how can an alcoholic get out of prison? Have you thought about this?
              1. Minato2020
                Minato2020 23 November 2019 17: 05 New
                +2
                Quote: tatarin1972
                It’s strange how can an alcoholic get out of prison? Have you thought about this?


                No, I did not think about how you can get out of prison as an alcoholic ...
                Maybe someone needed this?

                PS "Letter from Joseph Stalin to the teacher of his son Vasily"
                https://topwar.ru/30928-pismo-iosifa-stalina-uchitelyu-svoego-syna-vasiliya.html
      3. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 7 November 2019 12: 28 New
        10
        Lannan Shi. As I understand it, you decided to oppose the favorite Putin and Stalin? But why compare the giant and ..., the ellipsis, because my mother taught politeness from childhood, but I can’t politely write - so comparing them is not even funny.
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 7 November 2019 13: 07 New
          -9
          About Stalin, people like you know only from Soviet propaganda and from the Internet from your like-minded people. That is, you compare the image almost fictitious by propagandists with a real person.
          Really, not even funny.
          1. Etienne
            Etienne 7 November 2019 14: 59 New
            +6
            Mestny (Sergey) About Stalin, such as you know only from Soviet propaganda and from the Internet from your like-minded people.

            In addition to photographs, and all sorts of leaflets Goebbels could not offer anything as evidence of the betrayal of Jacob. Of the many propaganda machines that the Germans had at the front, none of them sounded the voice of Yakov Dzhugashvili. Otherwise, the fraud would have been revealed immediately. And where, at least one video? - only photos from which the sense of a goose is like water. What prevented the fact of betrayal from being recorded? And if your brains weren’t completely dry, like a prolific liberal Kodla, you could, without straining, figure out how the bullshit is different from the gelding of the same suit. Goebbels knew who he could count on and did not miss. About the history of the Soviet period, your liberal booth judges by quotes pulled from the Internet by a little more advanced. However, what to take from you - and those wretched. To teach you? What for? You don’t even show any signs that this will suit you for the future.
        2. Svarog
          Svarog 7 November 2019 13: 10 New
          +4
          Quote: mikh-korsakov
          As I understand it, you decided to oppose the favorite Putin and Stalin? But why compare the giant and ..., the ellipse

          A very precise definition is ellipsis ..
      4. Eugene (Eugene)
        Eugene (Eugene) 7 November 2019 16: 22 New
        +1
        Therefore, the liberals shake when they see the portraits of Stalin, and with fear of animals do not want Volgograd to become Stalingrad again. Stalingrad - a symbol of self-sacrifice for the citizens of the Russian Federation, a symbol of Victoria over the enemy, a symbol where Japan makes no claims to the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation, and other "good neighbors". They can look for flaws in Stalin's policy as much as they want, not without them, only Gorbachev and Yeltsin have done more, and one flowers on the grave, they thank him for his freedom, the gift of democracy, and the other was awarded a medal for successes in the Cold War.
        stop
        Quote: Lannan Shi
        Quote: Dmitry Potapov
        JV Stalin is a vivid example of the fact that the interests of the state are higher than personal interests!

        Your untruth. Here's a sparring partner for example.
        From 2005 to 2013, he was married to Natalia Rotenberg. The ex-wife lives in the UK with two of their common children - Barbara and Arkady.
        Daughter - Rotenberg, Lilia Arkadyevna (17.04.1978), has a medical education, owns the Berlin medical clinic Vitalis-medical.
        Son - Pavel Rotenberg (born 2000), hockey player "Brookings Blizzard (Brookings, South Dakota, USA)
        That is where true patriotism is. He sent all his relatives to partisans in the forests of Dakota, London and Berlin. And you are Stalin, Stalin ...
      5. Eugene (Eugene)
        Eugene (Eugene) 7 November 2019 16: 27 New
        0
        Therefore, the liberals shake when they see the portraits of Stalin, and with fear of animals do not want Volgograd to become Stalingrad again. Stalingrad - a symbol of self-sacrifice for the citizens of the Russian Federation, a symbol of Victoria over the enemy, a symbol where Japan makes no claims to the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation, and other "good neighbors". They can look for flaws in Stalin's policy as much as they want, not without them, only Gorbachev and Yeltsin have done more, and one flowers on the grave, they thank him for his freedom, the gift of democracy, and the other was awarded a medal for successes in the Cold War. hi
    2. Loess
      Loess 7 November 2019 11: 28 New
      +9
      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      I.V. Stalin is a vivid example

      The article is not about Stalin ...
      In 1961, Dzhugashvili was called a traitor hiding in the West, and at the beginning of the 80's, rumors circulated that he allegedly committed a sin by seducing his own stepmother.
      And why should I take this abomination to the public?
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 7 November 2019 13: 08 New
        -7
        Yes, because this is the same version of the story as any other. You will call her a liar; others, on the contrary, will call you a liar.
        1. Loess
          Loess 7 November 2019 13: 40 New
          +1
          Quote: Mestny
          You will call her deceitful

          I am not talking about that...
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    4. Svarog
      Svarog 7 November 2019 13: 07 New
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      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      JV Stalin is a vivid example of the fact that the interests of the state are higher than personal interests!

      Yeah, and many current high-ranking officials didn’t even serve the children .. they hid in London and Miami .. That's what they say, feel the difference and make a conclusion where we are heading ..
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 7 November 2019 13: 28 New
        +7
        Vladimir hi
        Filmmaker from the category of "tossing guano on the fan." An absurd attempt to "spoil the air" and tarnish the Great Holiday. Surprisingly, it is absurd to cling to the great victories and achievements of the Soviet people, while smearing them with mud. And what are the "achievements" of modern Russia - the people are driven into slavery, and all the imaginary victories are only over their own history and the ashes of the GREAT PEOPLE who wrote it.
      2. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 7 November 2019 13: 36 New
        0
        And for one General Secretary, the daughter didn’t really work anywhere, she gouged with diamonds (incidentally, then, a firing squad) thumped as if into herself and ended her life in a fool.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 7 November 2019 13: 41 New
          +9
          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          And for one General Secretary, the daughter didn’t really work anywhere, she gouged with diamonds (incidentally, then, a firing squad) thumped as if into herself and ended her life in a fool.

          Indeed, the woman was deeply unhappy .. and it was precisely how the woman did not take place .. But in comparison with today's majors, she is simply sorry. In general, the Soviet system was flawed and Khrushchev laid the foundation for them .. Nevertheless, even taking into account the flaws of the Soviet system, it was for people .. and not for a handful of people, as it is now ..
      3. tatarin1972
        tatarin1972 17 November 2019 09: 30 New
        +1
        Not everyone is hiding abroad, some of the summons "do not reach", their military registration and enlistment office cannot find, for 9 years. Especially if the conscript is the minister of youth affairs. A real case in the Republic of Karelia.
    5. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 8 November 2019 20: 56 New
      0
      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      JV Stalin is a vivid example of the fact that the interests of the state are higher than personal interests!

      social interests
  2. anjey
    anjey 7 November 2019 11: 26 New
    15
    Whoever and how, did not throw mud at Stalin, in this difficult and seemingly personal situation with his son, he behaved worthy of the "Leader of the Nations", sharing the grief with the people and not demanding any privileges for himself.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 7 November 2019 11: 42 New
      16
      Quote: anjey
      Whoever and how, did not throw mud at Stalin, in this difficult and seemingly personal situation with his son, he behaved worthy of the "Leader of the Nations", sharing the grief with the people and not demanding any privileges for himself.

      I don’t know what happened to my son, but the Father is revered to this day, in Yakutia the other day a monument to I.V. Stalin was erected. Well done, I think. soldier
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 7 November 2019 13: 13 New
        +4
        Quote: Aerodrome
        in Yakutia the other day a monument to I.V. Stalin was installed. Well done, I think.

        Yakuts are generally handsome .. The Communists, so they remained their children .. and they are good wars.
      2. phair
        phair 8 November 2019 05: 17 New
        +1
        In Yakutsk there is a branch of the Diamond Fund, a guide (a yakut of about 50 years old) talked about a yakutomor. Different Yakuts, like the daughters of Crimean officers. Although adequately perceived my objections. Even on the Tashkent front, not everyone was full. Nationalism in sober Yakuts did not notice;)
    2. neri73-r
      neri73-r 7 November 2019 11: 42 New
      12
      Quote: anjey
      Whoever and how, did not throw mud at Stalin, in this difficult and seemingly personal situation with his son, he behaved worthy of the "Leader of the Nations", sharing the grief with the people and not demanding any privileges for himself.

      And he forced the whole elite to do so! In particular, Khrushch was offended by Stalin for this, when his son died in battle. All their children fought as ordinary soldiers and officers. That is precisely why the people did not flinch; the power was with the people.
    3. Svarog
      Svarog 7 November 2019 13: 12 New
      +5
      Quote: anjey
      in this difficult and seemingly personal situation with his son, he behaved with dignity "

      In my opinion, Stalin behaved with dignity in all situations and is a vivid example of what the country's leader should be ..
  3. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 7 November 2019 11: 41 New
    11
    The son of I.V. Stalin died, as did millions of our other compatriots. Glory to them all who perished for their homeland. The children of the country's leaders did not hide behind the backs of others under the tables of their fathers, which cannot be said for the last period of our history. In order to denigrate Stalin, the Soviet power, the party and the ideas of communism, the entire imperialist propaganda machine and our 5 column tried and still denigrate the leaders of the USSR and our people, and our faith.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 7 November 2019 11: 53 New
      -8
      And why denigrate them, the leaders of the USSR? It’s enough to recall Brezhnev’s daughter. Or Sergei Khrushchev - a US citizen.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 7 November 2019 12: 30 New
        +8
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        And why denigrate them, the leaders of the USSR? It’s enough to recall Brezhnev’s daughter. Or Sergei Khrushchev - a US citizen.

        Beginning after 5 on March 1953, anti-communists, adherents of capitalism, came to power, so these are not the leaders of the USSR, but grave-diggers. Especially the last Judas Gorbi.
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 7 November 2019 12: 46 New
          -3
          Very strange. That for 74 years of the existence of Soviet power, the adherents of socialism were at the helm for only 31 years. By the way, under Stalin, there was more "bourgeois belch" in the form of small private entrepreneurs than under his followers.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 7 November 2019 12: 56 New
            +6
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            By the way, under Stalin, there was no more "bourgeois belch" in the form of small private entrepreneurs than under his followers.

            The main thing is what kind of control over them, and what is the scope of the private owner. If you roll your felt boots or clean your shoes, this is one thing, but having a "small candle factory" is another. But after 1953, "shadow companies" appeared, but there was no supervision over them, for they had oversight from them "gesheft".
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 7 November 2019 13: 03 New
              -4
              So it was necessary to legalize the shadow people, tax them, give them the opportunity to develop and protect from crime with all the power of law enforcement agencies. You look and deficits - the main reason for the discontent of the people and was not.
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 7 November 2019 17: 24 New
                0
                Quote: AS Ivanov.
                So it was necessary to legalize the shadow workers, tax them, give them the opportunity to develop and protect against crime with all the power of law enforcement agencies.

                You are a naive person. Well, first of all, this is "Private property" - it means capitalism. Secondly, the "catastrophic Gorby" did this, I think you have not forgotten what came of it we see. What we have is what we have. Capitalism and socialism are the same as the poles of a magnet, and they can never attract, but only repel.
                1. AU Ivanov.
                  AU Ivanov. 7 November 2019 17: 42 New
                  0
                  Yes, it was necessary to gradually move to a market economy, as China is doing now. In the 60s, at the peak of the Soviet economy, this could have been done painlessly, while the authorities had not yet merged with crime. This cannot be done without private capital. But not in "500 days" according to Yavlinsky and not through voucher privatization, but in an evolutionary way - from a small business created by himself to medium and large. By the 80s, we would have had the notorious jeans and sausages of all sorts and other consumer goods without any deficits. Still and exported.
                  1. tihonmarine
                    tihonmarine 7 November 2019 19: 48 New
                    0
                    Quote: AS Ivanov.
                    Yes, it was necessary to gradually switch to a market economy, as China is now doing.

                    China has a completely different approach, it takes a long time to explain, but the same basis, capitalism. And the "market economy" is just speculation and nothing more, and not a gradual, but a sharp seizure of the economy and industry by "new capitalists". And there was no "gradual transition to a market economy." These are phrases supposedly invented by Gorby and Co., but they did not come up with it, they would not have enough brains for it. As a result, private property, profit and "wild capitalism". Or do you disagree?
                    1. AU Ivanov.
                      AU Ivanov. 7 November 2019 19: 59 New
                      0
                      And if not wild capitalism? If the Scandinavian model of the state? With private property and social buns, to which classical Soviet socialism, as before Beijing, is barefoot. China has been moving to a market economy for about 20 years and now they have begun to reap the benefits.
                      1. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 7 November 2019 20: 04 New
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                        Quote: AS Ivanov.
                        And if not wild capitalism? If the Scandinavian model of the state? With private property and social buns,

                        And what will they give us to build such a model? You will remember how the "prevetization" took place in Russia, what kind of "social buns" they piled on us. And who are the oligarchs now, and who has power. It's just like in the old TV show "Obvious and Incredible".
                      2. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. 7 November 2019 20: 08 New
                        -2
                        While the last of the Communist Party with the appropriate mentality are in power, I agree with you - no one will let you build. As long as there are bearers of the principle of "take and divide" with complete disrespect for private property, capitalism will remain wild.
          2. Mestny
            Mestny 7 November 2019 13: 11 New
            -8
            Where did they come from, these terrible adherents of capitalism? With such a Leader, with such a system of education for Soviet people - how could they have arisen, and even more so be at the top of power?
            Not otherwise the aliens threw.
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 7 November 2019 17: 44 New
              0
              Quote: Mestny
              with such a system of educating Soviet people - how could they have arisen, and even more so, to be at the top of power?

              How old are you that you are asking children's questions. Well then, let's start the educational program. Stalin left, N. Khrushch came a Trotskyist, who first turned everything that had been done from 1924 to 1953 exactly 180 degrees. And that is why those who already thirsted for Western democracy (more and in one face) came to the top. And then everything went up to Gorby on the rise. And here is Gorby and Co. have already started an ideological war with the people and won. (If you don’t believe, ask your dad / mom how they charged a 3-liter can from Chumak on TV, or how Kashpirovsky treated 100 people at the stadium) when in Moscow the "demorossians" walked with posters of "Union" - no, Russia - yes. " “And who came out against from the top?” Maybe only Pugo, if he was not killed. That's the whole educational program, for now capitalism is in the yard.
    2. mikh-korsakov
      mikh-korsakov 7 November 2019 12: 31 New
      +7
      Andrew! I personally, after the dancing of the liberals on the bones of Stalin, stopped believing TV and others from the word at all. Therefore, I do not believe all these TV sniffs about Brezhnev’s daughter. Maybe it was - maybe not.
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 7 November 2019 12: 58 New
        -3
        Neither about Jacob, nor about Vasily among the people rotten rumors did not go. But about Galina Brezhnev - as much as you like. A typical example of the Soviet major.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 7 November 2019 13: 15 New
          +7
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          A typical example of the Soviet major.

          With today's majors, she looks very pale ..
        2. mikh-korsakov
          mikh-korsakov 7 November 2019 13: 21 New
          0
          Andrew! About Vasily went, only very carefully. The truth about Stalin's times I can’t say anything, but later as a child I remember how in the company and drinking we talked about Vasily. I don’t know about Jacob
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 7 November 2019 13: 01 New
        +2
        Quote: mikh-korsakov
        I personally, after the dancing of the liberals on the bones of Stalin, stopped believing TV and others from the word at all.

        Faith TV and other media is now no. Although I believe, but with a big stretch (but this is no longer the fault of TV), weather forecasts and advertising of baby diapers.
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 7 November 2019 13: 12 New
          -7
          Now no.
          Probably once there was a press that spoke only and exclusively the truth?
          1. mikh-korsakov
            mikh-korsakov 7 November 2019 14: 05 New
            +1
            Sergei! They spoke the truth, but not all. I remember: the Korean plane withdrew towards the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. There is no lie in this phrase. Really retired - and the Sea of ​​Okhotsk.
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 7 November 2019 17: 51 New
            0
            Quote: Mestny
            Probably once there was a press that spoke only and exclusively the truth?

            The press was created to say what the government or the ruling party tells it. There are no other options. The press that fills our heads now is all private press (created by a private person, or an NGO of another state, inherently hostile). And if anyone has illusions about a "free press" then leave them. You just dreamed about it.
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 7 November 2019 11: 44 New
    12
    This story is even indicative of the fact that the son of the first person in the country did not sit out in the rear, did not occupy a warm place in the headquarters or in the warehouse, but was on the front line ... Whose offspring will now go to the front, God forbid, war? Which of the majors will fly from London and Geneva? ...
    1. anjey
      anjey 7 November 2019 11: 57 New
      +7
      From London and Florida, God forbid, even in enemy form ....
  • rocket757
    rocket757 7 November 2019 11: 48 New
    +4
    Just a historical fact ... the children of the former / early leaders of the Land of Soviets did not sit out in the rear, defended OUR MOTHERLAND!
    There are different things you can say about the late leaders of the USSR, but you can only rely on FACTS!
    1. anjey
      anjey 7 November 2019 12: 02 New
      +5
      Actually, there were all sorts of things, according to Sheinin, an investigator and writer, who had forgotten the investigation in military Moscow of the nomenclature children who created a group worshiping Hitler and the ideas of national socialism ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 7 November 2019 12: 40 New
        +2
        Quote: anjey
        for children nomenclature

        "Nettle seed", the bureaucratic party apparatus was great and DIFFERENT!
        Just THEN, not everyone could take a walk, they just pressed it to the nail in spite of merit .... i.e. big \ huge cannot be ideal ....
        The very, topmost leaders of that time adhered to conservative, strict views ... it was very later that everything blurred, a lot went out!
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 7 November 2019 13: 15 New
          -3
          He is now DIFFERENT. What a surprise, right?
          Then not everyone could take a walk, but not at all because they pressed.
          If they pressed ALL, no one could. And so - they could, but not all.
          And now, not everyone can.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 7 November 2019 13: 56 New
            +2
            Quote: Mestny
            He is now DIFFERENT. What a surprise, right?

            You can’t change a person’s nature ... you can only limit, drive into the bounds of decency or something even cooler.
            For now it’s not even worth discussing, everyone knows everything.
            In the early Soviet period, only part archives can tell exactly, but they will not be shown to us.
            But for the late period, we ourselves had to look at something .... not enough pleasant, to be honest!
  • Valery Valery
    Valery Valery 7 November 2019 11: 58 New
    +4
    I don’t even want to imagine what Stalin-father thought and experienced, realizing that the son who was captured would definitely die. How he tried to understand what Jacob was thinking, how he endured these trials, how he met death.
    1. Town Hall
      Town Hall 7 November 2019 14: 18 New
      -6
      Quote: Valery Valery
      I don’t even want to imagine what Stalin-father thought and experienced, realizing that the son who was captured would definitely die. How he tried to understand what Jacob was thinking, how he endured these trials, how he met death.

      You are not particularly aware of the attitude of Stalin towards his eldest son
      1. Maki Avellevich
        Maki Avellevich 9 November 2019 08: 04 New
        0
        Quote: Town Hall
        You are not particularly aware of the attitude of Stalin towards his eldest son

        relations between fathers and sons are different.
        this does not mean that Stalin did not worry and did not suffer because of the loss of his son.
        to be strict and distant is one thing and a son is a son. son is your projection into the future, whether you like it or not.

        Incidentally, the difference between what is described in books and reality is monstrously great.
        1. Town Hall
          Town Hall 9 November 2019 08: 15 New
          -3
          This is lyrics. And there are facts. Follow the fate of all relatives of the mother of Y. Dzhugashvili.
          1. Maki Avellevich
            Maki Avellevich 9 November 2019 08: 19 New
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            Quote: Town Hall
            This is lyrics. And there are facts.

            read the "facts".
            I repeat. all the facts passed through the prism of the writer, his subjective perception of the heroes of the book and the realities of those days.
            These facts are a version for discussion. no less no more.
            1. Town Hall
              Town Hall 9 November 2019 08: 35 New
              0
              And what about the writers? The fact that Stalin left his first wife before Jacob was born did not know and did not want to know. The child was raised by strangers after the death of his mother, grew up an orphan. For the first time, Stalin wanted to see him when the guy was 15 years old, and his father had another family and other children .He humiliated and could not stand it. I brought to suicide and then publicly mocked him that he was so worthless that he couldn’t even shoot himself
              What do you call paternal feelings?
              1. Maki Avellevich
                Maki Avellevich 9 November 2019 08: 57 New
                0
                Quote: Town Hall
                For the first time, Stalin wanted to see him when the guy was 15 years old, and his father had another family and other children. He humiliated and hated it all. He led to suicide and then publicly scoffed at him that he was so worthless that he couldn’t even shoot himself

                I say that something that you cite as historical facts is not such.
                you only know what the author of the book wrote.
                what prerequisites, what kind of relationships, and what led people or other decision of people in a particular story you do not know. (sometimes even the heroes of the events themselves cannot explain what led them to a certain decision)

                I think you judge too categorically on the basis of incomplete data.
  • mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 7 November 2019 12: 00 New
    +9
    The desire to trample on the bones of the dead on the basis of supposedly declassified data is a sure sign of liberal lies. But in this case, I fully support the authors' arguments that Jacob was not a traitor, and I am grateful to them,. And I believe them - in spite of all Stalin’s busyness, the situation was not there to teach him how to betray his homeland, Svetlana didn’t count, her brains were later composted, and the woman was not strong with her mind. I sympathize with the authors, they took upon themselves the noble burden of removing the entire pile of dirt that the liberals applied around the figure of the great statesman. D. Medvedev, who, by mocking history, was honored to become the head of a great state, noting, having no talent for it, somehow noticed that while he was in power, there would be no monuments to Stalin in Russia. I’m not sure that there will be no monuments to Stalin, but as for Medvedev, I believe that there will not even be a plaster bust in the market - because they won’t buy it. Is that on the matryoshka with the chef will be painted, but this is for the amusement of foreigners.
    1. andrew42
      andrew42 7 November 2019 16: 01 New
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      Matryoshka will be too chic for these managers. After all - a symbol of 8 human bodies. Not for 1-cell.
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 7 November 2019 15: 09 New
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    Why such a link? See without straining?
    We have already sorted the materials on the topic of who benefited from the blackening of Stalin ...
    Wow, remember those who can no longer answer? But today, living children do not hide any selfish interests, their own origin, or place of residence from anyone ...
  • andrew42
    andrew42 7 November 2019 15: 59 New
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    Since there is no reliable evidence of "alleged betrayal" on the part of Yakov Dzhugashvili, any such fabrications are typical nonsense, insolent zezh and provocation. Among other things, as a rule, inter alia, older sons inherit the characters of their fathers and value systems (of course, there are degenerative exceptions). This alone outweighs any of Goebbels' fakes. I suppose the Nazis temporarily held Jacob, then shot him so that he could get at least some psychological impact on this. In this whole story, one thing is certain - Iosif Vissarionovich was a Father, a father with a capital letter, - one can only guess what was going on in his soul and did not break down. At the same time, he was confident in his own son in captivity.
  • Eugene (Eugene)
    Eugene (Eugene) 7 November 2019 16: 13 New
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    I think that in our difficult times, Stalin would specifically ask officials whose children live abroad, about their citizenship. And don't even ask about capital at all. That is why the situation is developing in Russia. Where the citizens of the Russian Federation "have accumulated a thirst" for justice, the feeling that revenge (the trial of history) over the era of Gorbachev, Yeltsin, a complete "debriefing" why did we come to the situation that the Nazis (Bandera) become impudent near the borders of the Russian Federation, so the liberals shake when they see portraits of Stalin, and with fear of animals do not want Volgograd to become Stalingrad again. Stalingrad - a symbol of self-sacrifice for the citizens of the Russian Federation, a symbol of Victoria over the enemy, a symbol where Japan makes no claims to the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation, and other "good neighbors". They can look for flaws in Stalin's policy as much as they want, not without them, only Gorbachev and Yeltsin have done more, and one flowers on the grave, they thank him for his freedom, the gift of democracy, and the other was awarded a medal for successes in the Cold War.
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  • rus-5819
    rus-5819 7 November 2019 21: 20 New
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    Yakov Dzhugashvili: a biography based on declassified data

    Something neither from the article, nor from the above comments did not understand: where is the "Declassified data"? Where are the links to the documents?
    Some fictionalism on the topic ..... request
  • Dedok
    Dedok 8 November 2019 09: 15 New
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    Quote: neri73-r
    Quote: anjey
    Whoever and how, did not throw mud at Stalin, in this difficult and seemingly personal situation with his son, he behaved worthy of the "Leader of the Nations", sharing the grief with the people and not demanding any privileges for himself.

    And he forced the whole elite to do so! In particular, Khrushch was offended by Stalin for this, when his son died in battle. All their children fought as ordinary soldiers and officers. That is precisely why the people did not flinch; the power was with the people.


    Remembering the story of the 2nd Shock, there was an episode in June 42: the army was completely surrounded and Meretskov (a sly fox) sent a tank platoon (several available vehicles), headed by his son, to break through the encirclement and evacuate the command of the 2nd headquarters shock.
    The son was able to go back alive.
  • NF68
    NF68 8 November 2019 21: 15 New
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    Why the hell didn't he shoot himself right away? So that the Germans would take him like an elephant for show?
    1. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 9 November 2019 08: 07 New
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      Quote: NF68
      Why the hell didn't he shoot himself right away?

      Have you ever fired?
      you understand instinct with us. live and fight for life and not immediately paws up.
      even if rational pushes it.
      1. NF68
        NF68 9 November 2019 17: 15 New
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        Quote: Maki Avellevich
        Quote: NF68
        Why the hell didn't he shoot himself right away?

        Have you ever fired?
        you understand instinct with us. live and fight for life and not immediately paws up.
        even if rational pushes it.


        I am not the son of the Secretary General of the CPSU and I’m not fighting on the fronts of the Great Patriotic War. Therefore, I am not threatened with captivity and there is no point in shooting.
  • alex-sherbakov48
    alex-sherbakov48 9 November 2019 07: 06 New
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    My mother always said: do not judge, but you will not be judged !!! Yakov Dzhugashvili behaved with dignity and died like a hero. Try on his "shirt" on yourself and ask yourself, just honestly, what would you do if you were in his place. Remember the saying: the shop life is not so visible from the cabinet window.
  • Old26
    Old26 12 November 2019 15: 58 New
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    Quote: tihonmarine
    And what will they give us to build such a model? You will remember how the "prevetization" took place in Russia, what kind of "social buns" they piled on us. And who are the oligarchs now, and who has power. It's just like in the old TV show "Obvious and Incredible".

    But comrade Andrei says that this should have been done not today and not yesterday, but at least in the 70s. Gradually move on to a slightly different but variant of socialism.
    Of course, privatization, or rather as it was called by the people "privatization", could not give it. But if gradually, then I think such a transition would be possible. About 25 years ago, I was present at a meeting of Zyuganov with voters (before the elections in the mid-90s). He was just asked a question about this topic. And from his point of view, this could be done by leaving large enterprises, incl. and defense value. But small enterprises, household purposes could be made private. So that the same state would not run a hairdressing salon for 4-6 seats, or a mini-sewing workshop.

    Something like this was his answer. And gradually it would be possible, without hesitation, to go over to a different version of socialism. we followed the path that was needed in the 30s or 40s, but is outdated. We have elevated the principle of socialism "from each according to his ability, to each according to his work" into a dogma and received equalization. You could work at a factory (in the design bureau), lead an active lifestyle (work), give rationalization proposals, inventions. A conditional Я did nothing of this. He sat in trousers in the Design Bureau from 8 to 17. And he received the same salary as you. And it was impossible to fire me, because even in a nightmare it was impossible to imagine a certain percentage of unemployment in the USSR.
    So a lot could have been gradually avoided, incl. and the coming to power of such a leader as Gorby. Indeed, for the overwhelming majority of "leaders" of all ranks, the CPSU has become a banal springboard in their careers. And gradually, not the best came to power, but the most flexible and unprincipled

    Quote: tihonmarine
    How old are you that you are asking children's questions. Well then, let's start the educational program. Stalin left, N. Khrushch came a Trotskyist, who first turned everything that had been done from 1924 to 1953 exactly 180 degrees. And that is why those who already thirsted for Western democracy (more and in one face) came to the top. And then everything went up to Gorby on the rise. And here is Gorby and Co. have already started an ideological war with the people and won. (If you don’t believe, ask your dad / mom how they charged a 3-liter can from Chumak on TV, or how Kashpirovsky treated 100 people at the stadium) when in Moscow the "demorossians" walked with posters of "Union" - no, Russia - yes. " “And who came out against from the top?” Maybe only Pugo, if he was not killed. That's the whole educational program, for now capitalism is in the yard.

    I am not enthusiastic about the activities of Khrushchev, but it’s also impossible to consider his actions so directly
    You wrote that as a result of his coming to power, he deployed everything that was done from 1924 to 1953? What exactly? Did he give the factories and factories into the hands of the former owners? Introduced private ownership of the means of production. Introduced capitalism to the USSR? No. Of course, his activities were not always understandable, there were some shit, but there was also something that is now spoken of with contempt, and then - then it was credited to him. I mean his housing program. Those very famous "Khrushchevs". Yes, this program began under Stalin, but the same Khrushchev did not expand it, as you write 180 °. Many then moved from barracks and communal apartments, albeit small, but their apartments. And this is "not a 180 ° turn.
    Everyone perceives the "cult of personality" differently. It is one thing for those who were born in the 50s and have heard about the "cult" from childhood, quite another for those who met the XX Congress in their adult state. Although the "exposure of the cult" - yes, it was a kind of revenge on Stalin.
    But those changes in the CPSU Charter that were introduced under him (two-time General Secretary) immediately after its withdrawal were forgotten and in the 70s we got another "personality cult" - the cult of "dear Leonid Ilyich".
    So you should not see only the enemies in power in the country after Stalin. Yes, and problems can not be considered only in two colors. Black and white. Under Stalin, only in white, and after only in black

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    1. Minato2020
      Minato2020 23 November 2019 02: 58 New
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      Khrushchev lifted the legislative ban on abortion, pardoned Bandera, Vlasov, released Nazi criminals from prisons and allowed them to go to Germany.
      For Khrushchev, the elimination of objectionable did not lie. Then he gave odds to the Sicilian mafia.

      "On December 23, 1953 were executed
      People's Commissar of State Security of the USSR in 1941-1946, Minister of State Control of the USSR, Head of Stalin's Personal Intelligence, Army General Vsevolod Nikolaevich Merkulov;
      first deputy USSR Minister of Internal Affairs, Colonel General Bogdan Zakharovich Kobulov;
      former deputy. Head of the SMERSH GUKR, Minister of Internal Affairs of the Ukrainian USSR, Lieutenant General Pavel Yakovlevich Meshik;
      former deputy. People's Commissar for Foreign Affairs of the USSR, Ambassador of the USSR to Germany, Minister of the Interior of the Georgian SSR Vladimir Georgievich Dekanozov;
      Head of the 3rd Directorate (military counterintelligence) of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs, Colonel General Sergei Arsenyevich Goglidze;
      the head of the investigative unit for particularly important cases of the NKGB-MGB-MVD of the USSR, Lieutenant General Lev Yemelyanovich Vlodzimirsky, through whom practically all matters went regarding the party, military and economic apparatus.

      Number 8 in the list of those arrested in the Beria case was the head of the 12th department (terror and sabotage abroad) of the 2nd Main Directorate of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs, Lieutenant General Pavel Anatolyevich Sudoplatov. He was arrested in his office on Friday, August 21, 1953. He miraculously survived, feigning insanity and received later than 15 years.
      His deputy major general Naum Eitingon received 11 years.

      And here is their atomic intelligence associate, the first deputy. Head of the Gulag of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR, deputy. Lieutenant General Amayak Kobulov, friend of Alexander Korotkov, was executed by the head of the Control Inspection at the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs, was shot on February 26, 1955.

      The legendary head of the SMERSH GUKR, the Minister of State Security of the USSR (1946 - 1951), a member of the Politburo Commission of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks in court cases, Colonel General Viktor Semenovich Abakumov was executed on December 19, 1954.
      Deputy People's Commissar of Internal Affairs of the USSR for border and internal troops, deputy. USSR Minister of Internal Affairs for the Army, Army General Ivan Ivanovich Maslennikov shot himself dead on April 16, 1954 in Moscow.
      And this is not a complete list of victims of Khrushchev's repressions, which were far from limited to the leadership of the state security organs. "
  • VARCHUN
    VARCHUN 12 November 2019 23: 46 New
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    Read what happened to Musa Jalil and find out what happened to Stalin’s son.