Anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution

Today is November 7, the anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution. It is under this name that millions of people from Brest to Kamchatka, from Alma-Ata to Yakutsk, from Baku to Chisinau knew and know this day. The day that once shared history countries on the "before" and "after".

In 1995, the historical date was gradually etched out of people's minds. Initially, by President Boris Yeltsin, November 7 was proclaimed the Day of the Liberation of Moscow from Polish Invaders by the militia of the year 1612. Then they decided to postpone this holiday as well, so that it would not be “associated” with the events of the year 1917. In 1996, the same Boris Yeltsin decided to rename November 7 on the Day of Accord and Reconciliation. Now, as you know, on November 7 in our country officially celebrate the anniversary of the military parade on Red Square 1941 of the year.

Of course, the October Revolution of the 1917 of the year is a most difficult event in terms of historical assessments. However, many are still trying to associate it with the disappearance of a great empire. Around this interpretation revolves and the attitude to the date for many citizens. But at the time of the revolution the Bolsheviks no longer had any empire, chaos reigned in the country, the country continued a senseless war, continued to suffer huge losses.

The very fact that the Bolsheviks committed the revolution can be treated differently. But there is one fact that is undeniable: how many people from (without any pathos) ordinary people, the 1917 year gave a real ticket to life, how many talented people from families not endowed with power and finance, the revolution ultimately made outstanding scientists , designers, doctors, military leaders!

The destroyed country was able not only to restore its territories, but also to turn into a mighty power with developed science, industry, technology, up to nuclear and space. The red banner has become a symbol of readiness for self-sacrifice, labor for the good of the Fatherland, unity of peoples, colossal fortitude.

Yes, the revolutionaries, of course, had mistakes and excesses, but today it is extremely important to take out all the positive things that 102 brought famous events with years ago, it is important to learn the lessons and draw conclusions, without which it is difficult to understand the very scale of what happened over the years post-revolutionary history.

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[Aerodrome]

Today is November 7th, the anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution.

Happy Holiday, not fictitious!

[dirk182]

“To each according to his needs, from each according to his work”

[Spartanez300]

With the Feast of all for whom this day is not an empty phrase!
I remember smart streets and cheerful demonstrations that day.

[APIS]

Happy holiday comrades !!!

[Reptiloid]

All ---- happy holiday !!!
7 Nov

I read about the city of Petrograd
In the seventeenth year:
"" A sailor was running; the soldier was running;
Shooting on the go.

Dragged a working machine gun;
The sirens sounded howling.
The poster hung: Down with the gentlemen!
Down with the landlords! ""

The temporary ruler fled;
I wanted to pass Russia.
For foreign capital
I wanted to sell it.

But the common people were faithful
Country of my own:
He managed to defeat the gentlemen
In Russia, only one!

But who reigns with us again ---
Bourgeois rich!
Law and power are for them alone,
And luckily the keys!

Due to his story
Back we again
And support such people
What will rebel

Who will make Russia again
An example of the whole earth,
Socialism and Peace --- The World
Distribute away !!!

Here comes the seventeenth year,
And the answer became clear to everyone:
The USSR --- our right path!
There is no other alternative !!!
This is my poem published here 2 years ago.

[Mcar]

Quote: Reptiloid

This is my poem published here 2 years ago.

Good redistribution, relevant!

I remember this poem, not yours, Dmitry, of course, but Mikhalkov, read at a matinee in kindergarten. I was about 5 years old. Oh, and it was hard to learn, I’ll say ... But I still forgot a little from the excitement - the teacher prompted me from behind.

Happy Great October!

[Reptiloid]

Once again with the holiday of November 7!
My poem ---- not redistribution , Alexander! This, say, is inspired by that poem, the atmosphere of the holiday of November 7, which I found in my childhood!
Impressed by those red banners.
In general, I have other verses about November 7th.

[Lexus]

WITH GREAT COMRADE HOLIDAY! HOORAY! HOORAY! HOORAY!

Union of the indestructible republics free
Rallied forever Great Russia
Long live the people's will
A single, mighty Soviet Union!

Be glorious, our free Fatherland,
Friendship of peoples reliable stronghold!
Party of Lenin - the power of the people
It leads us to the triumph of communism!

Through the storms, the sun of freedom shone,
And Lenin gave us a great path:
On a just cause, he raised the nations,
We were inspired by work and deeds!

Be glorious, our free Fatherland,
Friendship of peoples reliable stronghold!
Party of Lenin - the power of the people
It leads us to the triumph of communism!

In the victory of the immortal ideas of communism
We see the future of our country,
And the red flag of the glorious homeland
We will always be selflessly faithful!

Be glorious, our free Fatherland,
Friendship of peoples reliable stronghold!
Party of Lenin - the power of the people
It leads us to the triumph of communism!

[Sling cutter]

Comrades, Friends, Companions! Congratulations to all on the occasion of the Great October Socialist Revolution !!!
Only Socialism gives a person the possibility of comprehensive development, freedom and social justice.
I believe that the people will come out of the present Morocco and we will return Socialism to the vastness of our long-suffering Motherland!
Down with capitalism and the capitalists. Long live the Socialist Revolution !!!

[RUSS]

Quote: Stroporez

Down with capitalism and the capitalists. Long live the Socialist Revolution !!!

Sling cutter, as I understand it, on your avatar is a boy kibalchish?
And you stand up for the red ideology, but here I wanted to tell you about the actors who played in the film "The Tale of the Kibalchish Boy" for reference, and so - as the irony of fate says, the actor Sergei Ostapenko, who played the role of Kibalchish, now lives in Florida, in the suburbs Tampa city. Teaches at the University of South Florida. President of Ultrasonic Technologies, Inc.
Something like that....

[KERMET]

And what from this? on the avatar, he has a hero himself, and not an actor who played someone there, today an actor can play a hero, tomorrow a negative character - actors of the transformation master

[Alexander Suvorov]

KERMET (Alexander)
And what from this? on the avatar, he has a hero himself, and not an actor who played someone there, today an actor can play a hero, tomorrow a negative character - actors of the transformation master

And this is the way that Khrustobuchnikov has such a way, when in essence they have nothing to say even in this way, but they throw manure on a fan. We must at least somehow spoil the holiday for people, so they try. I look at this topic in the middle of the bakery baker, they’re stuck, they’re afraid to see!

[RUSS]

Quote: Alexander Suvorov

And it’s the way the Khrustobuchnikov

I do not consider myself a monarchist, so alas, here you are.

[Alexander Suvorov]

Maybe you don’t take it, but you defend it strenuously, not forgetting to pour mud on everything Soviet. So to me to a light bulb to whom you refer yourself there. For me, any anti-Soviet, it is always Russophobe and, accordingly, an enemy of the people.

[RUSS]

Quote: Alexander Suvorov

For me, any anti-Soviet, it is always Russophobe and, accordingly, an enemy of the people.

Quince

[Alexander Suvorov]

RUSS (Maxim)
Quince

Of course! And not only a padded jacket, but also a scoop! AND Proud of it!

[RUSS]

Quote: Alexander Suvorov

Spoil the holiday, so they try

I don’t care, believe me.
Celebrate whatever your heart desires.

[TANKISTONE]

Fine! I like it!

[Stas157]

Happy holiday to all! Friends! This is our real holiday (and not some ersatz on November 4).

This is a significant date for all of humanity. Indeed, on this day, socialism defeated capitalism. Let locally, but from that moment on, socialism ceased to be a utopia, as they used to call it. On the contrary, it became a guide for all the advanced people on earth. Which is now.

The level of education is growing across the planet. And with him is the realization that a miserable bunch cannot have everything, and the rest a little from nothing. Just the other day, there was an article on VO how the attractiveness of socialism is growing in the eyes of Americans. And this is not surprising! Time will pass, and I really would not want our country to enter the socialist camp again, but already among the latter. After all, humanity simply does not have an alternative to socialism to become a step higher.

[Zhan]

Quote: Stas157

Happy holiday to all! Friends! This is our real holiday (and not some ersatz on November 4).

This is a significant date for all of humanity. Indeed, on this day, socialism defeated capitalism. Let locally, but from that moment on, socialism ceased to be a utopia, as they used to call it. On the contrary, it became a guide for all the advanced people on earth. Which is now.

The level of education is growing across the planet. And with him is the realization that a miserable bunch cannot have everything, and the rest a little from nothing. Just the other day, there was an article on VO how the attractiveness of socialism is growing in the eyes of Americans. And this is not surprising! Time will pass, and I really would not want our country to enter the socialist camp again, but already among the latter. After all, humanity simply does not have an alternative to socialism to become a step higher.

My dear comrades! Happy holiday to all!

[Lisiy Prapor]

Well, I don't even know. I, of course, would like to live as in the late 70s and early 80s (relative to the global standard at that time), but "happiness for everyone (7 billion for a second, yes" we "will shrink into some area) for nothing "- indeed" utopia ". And ugly for "US" (RF).

[sharp-lad]

Just the other day, there was an article on VO how the attractiveness of socialism is growing in the eyes of Americans.
That's just the concept of socialism among most Americans ... How to formulate it without a mat ... Very bourgeois.
Happy Holidays!

[Alexander Suvorov]

Spartanez300 (Victor)
With the Feast of all for whom this day is not an empty phrase!
I remember smart streets and cheerful demonstrations that day.

Last May 9th, I finally found a big USSR flag on sale. Today it will not work with him, but on May 1 and 9 I will surely bring the children under this flag!
All a Happy Holiday!

[Lexus]

Last May 9th, I finally found a big USSR flag on sale.

FLAG OF THE GREAT COUNTRY! THE TIME WILL COME, AND ABOVE THE SYMBOL OF THE GREAT OCTOBER SOCIALIST REVOLUTION BY THE CRUISER "AURORA" WILL WAVE THE BANNER OF THE SOVIET UNION RISE FROM THE ASHES!

[Paranoid50]

Quote: lexus

THE BANNERS OF RISING FROM ASH WILL BE FLAGING

1. Your caps lock is stuck.
2. Having removed the head through the hair, do not cry.
3. Do not torment your heart with future trouble
Do not overtake the bitterness of the past
And don't build in the sand, live today
Or life was wasted by you
Omar Khayyam

[WIKI]

We may have lived hard, but society was much fairer than today. I cannot but agree with the opinion of a billionaire man: "The reason that capitalism and the global economy in general no longer work in the interests of most people is the unprecedented availability of money for the rich. Money has become almost free for those who already have it. and they are almost inaccessible to everyone else. This leads to the growth of large fortunes and the gap between rich and poor. "

[Alex Justice]

This leads to the growth of large fortunes and the gap between rich and poor.

This is not noticeable with us. Ten minutes away from my home is the richest Toorak district in Melbourne for millionaires. Their houses are just a little larger and look a bit richer than the houses of workers.

[WIKI]

From the fact that Zuckerberg has been repeatedly noticed in such cars as the Volkswagen Golf 6 GTI, Acura TSX and even the Honda Fit hatchback that is quite budgetary by American standards, he does not cease to be a billionaire.

[syndicalist]

If we talk about a specific date, it would be more appropriate to have a collage of Lenin with Trotsky, and not with Stalin.

[Pavel57]

Stalin and Dzerzhinsky were behind the scenes. But their role in organizing the coup was very serious.

[syndicalist]

Apparently very far behind the scenes. I got a whole library of political literature from my father-in-law. Including a lot of memoirs. Not one of the direct participants in the events mentions Stalin. On hearing completely different names. Unless, of course, take seriously the mythology invented by Stalin's "historians".

[Alien From]

I can’t just watch the parade on this day, my heart aches! All the holiday comrades !!!!!!

[Alexander Suvorov]

Alien From (Alien From)
I can’t just watch the parade on this day, my heart aches! All the holiday comrades !!!!!!

Well, yes, the Parade in honor of the Parade is funny, and in honor of what that Parade was powerful, we are trying hard to wash, gloss, whiten (or rather blacken) and quickly forget as the worst nightmare. They do the same thing when they shamefully drape the Mausoleum on May 9, forgetting that it was at its foot that the banners of the defeated Third Reich were shamefully dropped.

They are apparently trying to "reconcile" me with Chubais, Gref, Abramovich and others like them ...

[sharp-lad]

forgetting what it was to his foot were shamefully the banners of the defeated Third Reich are dropped.
With shame, with contempt. So it will be more correct, in my opinion.

[bya965]

How relevant!

[kjhg]

This day, the oligarchs, billionaires, ministers and the president are reminded that it will not be possible to rob, humiliate and deceive the people endlessly. Sooner or later, the day will come when a new Pugachev or Lenin will appear and head the discontented masses of the deceived and oppressed people in the struggle against its enemies and robbers. Do not despair, even in our lifetime we will witness a new flowering of justice and friendship.
Congratulations to all on a truly national holiday!

[Lexus]

Sooner or later, the day will come when a new Pugachev or Lenin will appear and head the discontented masses of the deceived and oppressed people in the struggle against its enemies and robbers.

Both old and young will stand up to fight against the enslavers.

Our cause is just. The enemy will be defeated. Victory will be ours!
V.M. Molotov, June 22, 1941

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: dirk182

“To each according to his needs, from each according to his work”

Do not pervert!
From each according to his ability, to each according to his work!

[dirk182]

excuse me, please However, happy holiday !!!

[Civil]

So by the beginning of the revolution of 1917 they had in Russia:
1. 86% of the population are illiterate.
2. 0,2% of the population are nobles who occupied all public posts.
3. For 4 years there was a senseless imperialist war.

The poverty of the people caused a response in the army - the army decomposed.
The request for justice was granted.
To the honor of the nobles in 1917, they did not surrender power without a fight, unlike the degraded top of the CPSU in 1991.
The ideals and goals of the Revolution were later betrayed.

[210ox]

Exactly. And this is the main answer to all "Olgovichs".

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Found on the Internet:
"And in 1917, a sealed carriage arrived in Russia, carrying a limited contingent of Bolsheviks. They saw the surrounding splendor and splendor - and decided to destroy everything, because they were evil and disgusting. They threw out the viruses of hatred into the atmosphere, as a result of which the subjects of the empire began to saw each other on an industrial scale, and for no apparent reason.As a result, the following events occurred, which did not follow from the entire previous history of Russia and had no analogues in it:
- The Great Russian Empire broke down and fell into the abyss of timelessness.
- Stalin only personally shot a billion people. And by his order much more was shot.
- The peasants were driven into collective farms, where they immediately turned into cattle. Prior to this, every peasant in the process of plowing read the Bible, but the fact that he did not know how to read did not bother him.
- The nobles were killed, the priests were killed, the intelligentsia was driven out. The king - and that was killed, cattle! Moreover, the Jews did this, and the people only looked sadly at the bacchanalia that was taking place because of the barbed wire that the collective farms had been fenced in, and was silent.
- the Bolsheviks taught the undead part of the people to swear in Russian, dirty copulate and drink vodka.
For seventy years the Bolsheviks hid from us the truth about Russia, which we had lost. We relaxed, and for almost a hundred years Russia has been exclusively engaged in dying. And only the ROC saves her from final destruction, but she does it badly, because she has to be distracted by the trade in vodka and cigarettes, the fight against teaching Darwin's theory and astronomy in schools. Twenty-eight years ago, the forces of goodness and light defeated the Bolsheviks, banishing them to hell, and today we have the opportunity to join the sacred truth by watching the films "The Barber of Siberia", "Gentlemen Officers" and "Admiral". "

[Zhan]

Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich

Found on the Internet:
"And in 1917, a sealed carriage arrived in Russia, carrying a limited contingent of Bolsheviks. They saw the surrounding splendor and splendor - and decided to destroy everything, because they were evil and disgusting. They threw out the viruses of hatred into the atmosphere, as a result of which the subjects of the empire began to saw each other on an industrial scale, and for no apparent reason.As a result, the following events occurred, which did not follow from the entire previous history of Russia and had no analogues in it:
- The Great Russian Empire broke down and fell into the abyss of timelessness.
- Stalin only personally shot a billion people. And by his order much more was shot.
- The peasants were driven into collective farms, where they immediately turned into cattle. Prior to this, every peasant in the process of plowing read the Bible, but the fact that he did not know how to read did not bother him.
- The nobles were killed, the priests were killed, the intelligentsia was driven out. The king - and that was killed, cattle! Moreover, the Jews did this, and the people only looked sadly at the bacchanalia that was taking place because of the barbed wire that the collective farms had been fenced in, and was silent.
- the Bolsheviks taught the undead part of the people to swear in Russian, dirty copulate and drink vodka.
For seventy years the Bolsheviks hid from us the truth about Russia, which we had lost. We relaxed, and for almost a hundred years Russia has been exclusively engaged in dying. And only the ROC saves her from final destruction, but she does it badly, because she has to be distracted by the trade in vodka and cigarettes, the fight against teaching Darwin's theory and astronomy in schools. Twenty-eight years ago, the forces of goodness and light defeated the Bolsheviks, banishing them to hell, and today we have the opportunity to join the sacred truth by watching the films "The Barber of Siberia", "Gentlemen Officers" and "Admiral". "

It looks like an opus of a dropout student ...

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: Zhan

It looks like an opus dropout

Why does it look like? This is the very opus.

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

It is rather sarcasm. Here is the description of Russia that we lost in 1917:
"Russia was a delightful sight. Along the jelly banks of milk rivers, wherever you look, fields stretched in it, full of cheerful, well-fed, smiling and incredibly wise peasants who considered the main happiness of Russian life to work sixteen hours a day and go to God B- gu on the Atonement and Salvation of the Soul at the age of thirty.In the noble estates, the incessant crunch of French rolls and Schubert waltzes reigned, to the accompaniment of which exquisite gentlemen, who knew Schiller by heart, asked ladies so pure and innocent that they did not even know where they had boobs, endow them with unearthly bliss by allowing them to kiss the hand. They did not even think about kissing the lady something else. There was no prostitution, alcoholism, or suicide in Russia. All these sins were practiced only by Jews, gypsies and other foreigners. ”The primordially Russian population, in addition to the above, was engaged only in walks in May evenings along the jelly banks of dairy rivers and disputes to hoarseness, how they can better equip RUSSIA, sometimes switching to French. By the way, they didn't know swear words then either. Except French. "

[Reptiloid]

You forgot to mention Aristarkh Lyudvigovichthat the very young ladies ate exclusively spiritual food --- novels, romances, and then Lieutenant Rzhevsky came and debased everything .......
And then there came decadence, which only stopped due to what happened on the night of October 25-26 (old style)!
That's something like that, in my opinion.

[albert]

Quote: Zhan

It looks like an opus of a dropout student.

No, this is a quote from an article in Lurkomorye.

[sunzhenets]

Judging by the estimates, not everyone understood your sarcasm.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

Found on the Internet:

In this garbage can you will not find anything. Well, since Russophobia is fashionable in the world now, there is nothing to be surprised at. Now, if anyone writes about Russia, he should write only a lie and pour mud on it. Here, too, as always, the liberal intelligentsia, the democrats and the scum of the people, are doing the same. But time will pass and the people will again become free and crush this evil.

[Lisiy Prapor]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

Found on the Internet:

In this garbage can you will not find anything. Well, since Russophobia is fashionable in the world now, there is nothing to be surprised at. Now, if anyone writes about Russia, he should write only a lie and pour mud on it. Here, too, as always, the liberal intelligentsia, the democrats and the scum of the people, are doing the same. But time will pass and the people will again become free and crush this evil.

Explain the salt of the joke?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: lisiy prapor

Explain the salt of the joke?

If before we lived in the country of socialism, now we live in the country of a joke.

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

Found on the Internet:

I also found it.
"Little is known about the case of Captain 1st Rank Shchastny (3.10.1881 - 1918). It lay in the archives of the KGB without movement for more than 70 years. Because of this, more than one archival document was not published during the Soviet era for obvious reasons, today it is hushed up. on others. The Military Prosecutor's Office of the Baltic Fleet rehabilitated A. Shchastny. But even now, when Aleksey Mikhailovich is fully rehabilitated, we know very little about him, and the history of the country is made up of the fate of its individual citizens. "
"AM Shchastny was arrested personally by Leon Trotsky in 1918 without any sanctions. The arrest came as a surprise not only to Shchastny himself. As Bonch-Bruevich, the head of the Council of People's Commissars, told the Nashe Slovo correspondent:" The arrest of Shchastny was a complete surprise to the Supreme Military council and the admiralty. ”Instead of a law subject to approval by the All-Russian Central Executive Committee, on June 16, 1918, just on the day the indictment in the Shchastny case was published in the press (which is no coincidence), the People's Commissariat of Justice issued a resolution to abolish all circulars issued so far on revolutionary tribunals. It said that "the revolutionary tribunals in the choice of measures to combat counter-revolution, sabotage and others are not bound by any restrictions" (Code of decrees of the RSFSR, 1918, No. 44, p. 533). "
Igor Talkov said correctly "But a tyrant who has declared war on the country is betrayed."
The people mark the date of the seizure of power and the destruction of the elite in Russia by Jews.
Putin on Russia's first government after the coup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IliRWCni9aw

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Vladimir_6

"AM Shchastny was arrested in 1918 by Leon Trotsky personally without any sanctions.

First you have to imagine and find out who Trotsky, Sverdlov, Sobelson, Zinoviev and other communist internationalists are. And only then you will understand why the color of the Russian army, science and intellectuals was destroyed.

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: tihonmarine

who is Trotsky, Sverdlov, Sobelson, Zinoviev and other communist-internationalists.

“The military coup of 1917 was staged in Russia by Jews under the leadership of the Zionist mafia.
The military coup d'etat (October socialist revolution) of 1917 was organized in Russia by Jews with the active funding and leadership of World Zionism. "

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Vladimir_6

The military coup d'etat (October socialist revolution) of 1917 was organized in Russia by Jews with the active funding and leadership of World Zionism. "

What are you so! The coup was not as such, just in the ensuing All-Russian chaos, the Bolshevik party simply took power, which was lying around and no one dared to take it. And she did it on time, because in a couple of months Russia would have already been occupied. This is the greatest merit of the Bolsheviks. Modern reality shows this. Well, as always, wherever there is either turmoil, or a revolution or a coup to it as "different crooks are attached to someone else's pie," the most cunning and dodgy part of society has settled down here and, as always, is trying to take the process into its own hands (about which you write), but it was still uprooted,

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: tihonmarine

The coup was not as such, just in the ensuing All-Russian chaos

I agree. But the All-Russian chaos did not arise by itself. It was carefully prepared and funded from outside. During the revolution and civil war, millions of Russian citizens died. Not in the fight against the invaders, but in the internecine war. People were primitively divided into white and red, as in the game "Zarnitsa", and the "red" Russians exterminated the "white" Russians, and vice versa. What kind of holiday is this? This is just a sad date that must not be forgotten.
You rightly noticed that the cunning and dodgy part that seized power was cleaned up. Thanks to Comrade Stalin. But he also passed away immediately after he said to the rest of the "cunning and dodgy" - "Moses brought you out of Egypt, and I will take you out of the Politburo."
The forum has many comrades. Everyone has their own opinion about the revolution. I agree with those for whom this is not a fun day.

[ccsr]

Quote: Vladimir_6

I agree. But the All-Russian chaos did not arise on its own. He was carefully prepared and financed from the outside.

So say thank you for this to Nicholas II and his elite, who allowed the February Revolution of 1917, in which the Bolsheviks did not participate at all. And in vain do you bear the heresy that it was Lenin and the Communists who destroyed the pre-revolutionary grandeur - the Russian Empire was destroyed by tsarism and those who, under it, reached the heights of power and ruled the state. It is from them that we must first of all ask for the Civil War and its consequences, and not from those who, in the conditions of the collapse, took power in their hands in order to somehow restore the country.

[Vladimir_6]

Tsarism also destroyed the Russian empire who, under it, reached the heights of power and ruled the state.

And who destroyed the USSR? Gorbachev or what? Both the Russian Empire and the USSR were destroyed by the same team with a difference of exactly 72 years.

who in the conditions of collapse took power in order to somehow restore the country.

The country was restored already under the command of Comrade Stalin. Thanks to him too.
And after the 90s, another coup and another looting. Who prevented the CPSU from preventing the collapse of the country? All power was in their hands.
The true reasons for the two coups have specific goals and are not discussed here. At the forum, people rejoice at the holiday, severely punish with minuses all who do not agree with the opinion of the majority. It is understandable. There is a phrase in Scripture: "They have ears and do not hear, they have eyes and do not see, they have reason and do not understand." The main holiday.

[Robert]

Quote: Vladimir_6

The true reasons for the two coups have specific goals and are not discussed here. At the forum, people rejoice at the holiday, severely punish with minuses all who do not agree with the opinion of the majority. It is understandable. There is a phrase in Scripture: "They have ears and do not hear, they have eyes and do not see, they have reason and do not understand." The main holiday.

These people have not read the scripture, they perceive everything, alas, according to the school curriculum of the times of the USSR. And alas, the society is still split into "red" and "white", which is confirmed by the forum and comments. Our society did not realize and did not survive 1917. And those to whom the USSR is dear, watch the video and think about whether all the good things that were then associated with the revolution are right. And also what period in the history of the USSR do you consider your country, which did not become in 1991

[Vladimir_6]

An interesting video. It’s strange that you still haven’t thrown down cons for him.

[ccsr]

Quote: Vladimir_6

And who destroyed the USSR? Gorbachev or what?

It was Gorbachev and the party nomenclature that surrounded him, but by no means ordinary members of the CPSU.

Quote: Vladimir_6

Both the Russian Empire and the USSR were destroyed by the same team with a difference of exactly 72 of the year.

And there was practically no difference between the Russian Empire and the USSR from the point of view of the management system - the goals were radically different, because in the USSR the main concern of the CPSU was to increase the well-being of all workers.

Quote: Vladimir_6

The country was restored already under the command of Comrade Stalin. Thanks to him too.

This is not in dispute - this is understandable to any literate person.

Quote: Vladimir_6

Who prevented the CPSU from preventing the collapse of the country? All power was in their hands.

The top leadership of the CPSU degenerated over time, and they were no longer effective leaders in the national economy, but were engaged in more political chatter than real work, which ultimately destroyed the USSR. Well, of course, there were strategic mistakes, for example, in the form of madly squandering the country's wealth into various political parties of supposedly friendly countries or international movements.

Quote: Vladimir_6

At the forum, people rejoice at the holiday, severely punish the minuses of everyone who does not agree with the majority opinion. It is understandable.

It really was a holiday, as if someone did not want to get rid of it from the people's memory. What do you disagree with - the fact that people did not fall into unconsciousness, or with the results of the achievements of the Soviet Union?

Quote: Vladimir_6

There is a phrase in the Scripture:

Not everyone believes in it - many more believe in the moral code of the builder of communism, as more humane principles of human existence.

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: ccsr

It was Gorbachev and the party nomenclature that surrounded him

Gorbachev "Zitspredsedatel", the entire team of young reformers are the same dummy figures. When the USSR was destroyed, Gorbachev was locked up in Crimea.

It really was a holiday, as if someone did not want to get rid of it from the people's memory. What do you disagree with - the fact that people did not fall into unconsciousness, or with the results of the achievements of the Soviet Union?

Holiday specifically what? I understand May 9th Holiday. Victory Day over Nazi Germany. And November 7 is not a holiday, but a tragic event. Yes, it must be remembered, but this is not a reason for fun.
[quoteNot everyone believes in it - many more believe in the moral code of the builder of communism as more humane principles of human existence. [/ quote]
The moral code of the builder of communism was utopian. There is no communism, no code of ethics.
For those who do not believe in God, there are ethical standards.
1. What is possible.
2. What should.
3. What is impossible.
For more knowledgeable, you can add the principles of five above:
The spiritual is higher than the material.
General is higher than private.
Justice is above the law.
Service is above possession.
Power is higher than property.
But the main crime from the list, which is impossible, is betrayal.
Adapted from the “Code of Power” (Great Yasa) of Genghis Khan, when China, Russia and the peoples of the Great Steppe lived in a single state from sea to sea.
These are the "principles of human existence;

[ccsr]

Quote: Vladimir_6

Gorbachev "Zitspredsedatel", the entire team of young reformers are the same dummy figures. When the USSR was destroyed, Gorbachev was locked up in Crimea.

Answer a simple question - how old were you when Gorbachev came to power? I need this in order to understand how adequately you perceive that time.

Quote: Vladimir_6

And November 7 is not a holiday, but a tragic event. Yes, it must be remembered, but this is not a reason for fun.

Tell the French that Bastille Day is not a holiday, and we will decide for ourselves what November 7 means to us.
By the way, ask how many Old Believers were destroyed during tsarism, how many were in prison, how many of them fled abroad, and why they ended up even in Latin America. You certainly won’t attract the Bolsheviks to this ...

[Vladimir_6]

You are probably a former member of the CPSU that you so persistently want to convince me of the correctness of the fact that revolution and civil war are good for Russia.
Russia (including tsarist) has so many significant victories that France you never dreamed of. Therefore, for me, the capture of the Bastille does not mean anything.
I am more delighted with the passage of Alexander Vasilyevich Suvorov through the Alps.
The fate of the Old Believers was not interested. And Orthodox churches turned into stables and blew up the Bolsheviks.
On the day Gorbachev came to power, I was 34 years old. So I perceive everything adequately. Which I wish you too.

[ccsr]

Quote: Vladimir_6

You are probably a former member of the CPSU,

Yes, I am a former member of the CPSU, I have never been ashamed of this, and I am not going to convince you of anything - I just want to understand on the basis of what you draw your conclusions.

Quote: Vladimir_6

I am more delighted with the passage of Alexander Vasilyevich Suvorov through the Alps.

Do not wag - I asked you how much you know the time of Gorbachev and what you were doing at that time I would like to know. And I admire no less than you the exploits of the ancestors, but not in order to consider tsarism the pinnacle of Russia's development.

Quote: Vladimir_6

The fate of the Old Believers was not interested.

That's all your understanding of our history - this is the best evidence that you know it superficially.

Quote: Vladimir_6

On the day Gorbachev came to power, I was 34 years old. So I perceive everything adequately. Which I wish you too.

It’s even strange that you lived at that time, and you probably saw the collapse of the USSR and the consequences of this collapse, still think that Gorbachev did not have powers approximately the same as the last king on the eve of the February Revolution and could not change the course of history. But this is not even the point, but you personally justify the sacrifices that our people suffered in the nineties and whether they are worth accusing the Communists of all mortal sins. But there were more victims of those years than those who died all the time in the Gulag ....

[Vladimir_6]

Yes, I am a former member of the CPSU, I have never been ashamed of this

To be ashamed or not to be ashamed does not depend on which community a person is. It all depends on the way of life and actions. As in the Bible it says: "ACCORDING TO YOUR WORKS, RETURN YOU". My dad (born 1905) was also a communist. I have kept his badge for 50 years in the KPSS. But I am proud of him not because he was a member of the CPSU, but because he went through two wars (1929 at the Chinese Eastern Railway, and 1941-1945) and was one of those officers who could say: "I have the honor!" And he raised us in this spirit. At the age of 33, I was offered to join the party. But by that time I had already seen enough of the Komsomol and the Communist Party of the Soviet Union.

If you have perfectly studied the theme of the Old Believers, then explain the fundamental difference between the faith of the Old Believers and Orthodoxy.

Quote: ccsr

It’s even strange that you lived at that time, and you probably saw the collapse of the USSR and the consequences of this collapse, still think that Gorbachev did not have powers approximately the same as the last king on the eve of the February Revolution and could not change the course of history.

If Gorbachev tried to "change the course of history," he would not have flown from Crimea to Moscow. As in his time and N.S. Khrushchev.
Do not be so naive.

[ccsr]

Quote: Vladimir_6

But I am proud of him not because he was a member of the CPSU, but because he went through two wars (1929 at the Chinese Eastern Railway, and 1941-1945) and was one of those officers who could say: "I have the honor!"

You don’t have one such father - you won’t surprise me with this, because my father also fought, and his brother and my grandfather on the mother’s side died. Is your father’s biography your merit to the Fatherland?

Quote: Vladimir_6

At the age of 33 I was offered to join the party. But by that time I had already seen enough of graffiti from the Komsomol and the Communist Party.

I entered voluntarily, and not because I was offered it. By the way, why didn’t you join the Communist Party of the Soviet Union in order to fight against grabbers and clear the party of crooks? Probably it would be more useful to our people if the party consisted only of people like you.

Quote: Vladimir_6

If you have perfectly studied the theme of the Old Believers, then explain the fundamental difference between the faith of the Old Believers and Orthodoxy.

The question is not the difference of views on faith, but that Christians destroyed their own kind not on the basis of property, but on a world outlook. I gave this example to refute your approach to Marxism. And you yourself will find the details if you wish, if you are interested in this fact.

Quote: Vladimir_6

If Gorbachev tried to "change the course of history," he would not have flown from Crimea to Moscow.

It was the finale of the tragedy, and I believe that if this bells and whistle seriously took up the country's economy in 1985, then perhaps there would be no collapse of the country, as well as the State Emergency Committee.

Quote: Vladimir_6

Do not be so naive.

Yes, I’m not particularly naive, but just unlike you, I’m looking at everything not as one-sidedly as you.

[Vladimir_6]

By the way, why didn’t you join the Communist Party of the Soviet Union in order to fight against grabbers and clear the party of crooks?

Well, you belonged to the Communist Party. There were millions of honest communists like you. Were you able to clear the party of crooks? I agree that millions of honest communists worked in the mines, at the machines, in the fields. But the "fish" rots from the head, and therefore the ending of the Land of the Soviets turned out to be sad.

.. I gave this example to refute your approach to Marxism. And you yourself will find the details if you wish

I just know the details. In the days of the Old Believers, Jesus Christ was the KING OF GLORY.
And the Orthodox became Jesus Christ THE KING OF JEWISH. On that and dispersed.
And the fact that you write "CHRISTIANS destroyed their own kind.", So read the story. Jews Jews fought with Jews Israelis, Shiite Muslims fight Sunni Muslims. Christians Catholics, Orthodox, Old Believers, Protestants. Everyone thinks they have the right faith. There are people who skillfully use these differences for their own selfish purposes.
The main thing is to proclaim the right slogans.

[ccsr]

Quote: Vladimir_6

And the fact that you write "CHRISTIANS destroyed their own kind.", So read the story. Jews Jews fought with Jews Israelis, Muslims Shiites are fighting Muslim Sunnis.

There is no need to blurt out the question - you understand perfectly well that it was only about our lands and our schism, and not about religious contradictions in general.

Quote: Vladimir_6

The main thing is to proclaim the right slogans.

So in addition to the slogans, they also killed those who did not agree with them, or drove them out - and this is a completely different approach, in which there is no place for class contradictions, that is, Marxism and the CPSU cannot be drawn to this.

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: ccsr

So in addition to the slogans, they also killed those who did not agree with them, or drove them out - and this is a completely different approach, in which there is no place for class contradictions, that is, Marxism and the CPSU cannot be drawn to this.

And the Bolsheviks Leninists sent those who disagree with them to the resort in Solovki. This is at best. And in the worst, immediately to the forefathers.
You live in some kind of virtual world.
Love the CPSU - write memoirs. Today in Russia, capitalism is what God will know tomorrow.
With regard to the original theme "Anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution", for you it is a holiday on blood, for me the tragedy of the Motherland of fathers and grandfathers. Now allow me to take my leave. Our dialogue is a conversation between the deaf and the blind.

[ccsr]

Quote: Vladimir_6

And the Bolsheviks Leninists sent those who disagree with them to the resort in Solovki. This is at best. And in the worst, immediately to the forefathers.
You live in some kind of virtual world.

So what was tsarism better than the Bolsheviks when it spread rot on the Old Believers?
Or did the Old Believers exist in the virtual world?
By the way, you have an idea at what cost Peter the Great built the Russian Empire, and how many people perished during his reign - do you regret them?

Quote: Vladimir_6

As for the original theme "Anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution", for you it is a holiday on blood, for me the tragedy of the Motherland of fathers and grandfathers.

Yes, this is indeed the tragedy of our people, which led to tsarism with its failure to rule the empire. But here I will ask you one question - what would happen to the common people if the whites defeated and began to destroy those who opposed their power? I think that much more blood would have been shed after this victory, so we don’t have to think that the White Army wanted to improve the life of the bulk of the people of that time. That is why the bulk of the people followed the Bolsheviks, and you do not want to see this.

[Vladimir_6]

So what was tsarism better than the Bolsheviks when it spread rot on the Old Believers?

You have already mentioned several times not guilty murdered Old Believers. Maybe you yourself are in their brotherhood? Then you can understand the personal heartache.

By the way, you have an idea at what cost Peter the Great built the Russian Empire, and how many people perished during his reign - do you regret them?

Peter the Great was a severe king, but he did not spare himself either. He dedicated his life to the Russian state.
“During the flood, Peter I was one of the first to rush to help the residents of St. Petersburg in distress. His boat appeared now on one or another flooded street of the city.
Once, while rescuing dying sailors, the boat turned over. Having caught a cold in ice water, Peter I fell ill and died a few days later.

So do not stir up the royal past. You still remember Ivan the Terrible and his guardsmen.

But here I will ask you one question - what would happen to the common people if the whites defeated and began to destroy those who opposed their power?

All-Russian chaos did not arise by itself. It was carefully prepared and funded from outside. During the revolution and civil war, millions of Russian citizens died. Not in the fight against the invaders, but in the internecine war. People were primitively divided into white and red, as in the game "Zarnitsa", and the "red" Russians exterminated the "white" Russians, and vice versa.

Where did I write that I am for "white" or "red"? Russians killed Russians. And this is the tragedy. Millions of people died. Therefore, for me personally, this day is not a HOLIDAY.
You can celebrate with songs and dances. Everyone decides for himself.

[Pavel57]

Who is better Ivan the Terrible or Peter I?

[Vladimir_6]

Who is better Ivan the Terrible or Peter I?

You decide for yourself.

[ccsr]

Quote: Vladimir_6

You have already mentioned several times not guilty murdered Old Believers. Maybe you yourself are in their brotherhood? Then you can understand the personal heartache.

This is a fact of our history, which many rebukers of the Bolsheviks prefer not to recall. You misinterpreted my pain, because I am not a believer, but I feel sorry for the dead people.

Quote: Vladimir_6

Peter the Great was a severe king, but he did not spare himself either. He dedicated his life to the Russian state.

This can be said about Stalin. Only with the leader of all peoples did the country's population grow in such a way that Peter could not even dream of.

Quote: Vladimir_6

You still remember Ivan the Terrible and his guardsmen.

And this is also our story, which happened long before the advent of Marxism - do you need to delete it?

Quote: Vladimir_6

The Russians killed the Russians. And this is a tragedy.

And I about it. But you don’t have to blame the Bolsheviks for this - the whites are no less responsible for this, or rather, it is precisely those who served in the White Army who are more responsible than others for what happened in the Civil.

Quote: Vladimir_6

Therefore, for me personally this day is not a HOLIDAY.

You did not live under the tsar, and did not work for 11-12 hours in the factory in order to somehow feed your family, that’s why you don’t understand why the bulk of the working people supported the Bolsheviks then. And it was they who decided that exemption from the unfair distribution of surplus value is a holiday, so it is not necessary to decide from the height of your present existence whether they arrived at that time or not.

[Vladimir_6]

because I'm not a believer

I am sincerely sorry for you. Why then did you come to this World at all? Watch carefully the film "The Master and Margarita". Citizen Berlioz also believed that after cutting off the head, a person's life ends and he turns into ash.
By your faith will be given to you. Non-believers do not exist at all. Some believe that there is no God, others believe that there is God.

but the dead people feel sorry.

For the first time since the split, Putin came to the Old Believers and heard about "true Orthodoxy." So people died, but the church of the Old Believers is still alive. And thank God.
And by the way, the expression "glory to the CPSU", the communists tried to take away the Glory from God. But as you can see now - got excited.

This can be said about Stalin.

But am I against it?

Only with the leader of all peoples did the country's population grow in such a way that Peter could not even dream of.

Under Peter, the Russian state was only being formed. The leader of all peoples built the USSR on the foundation laid by Tsar Peter the Great. No need to compare soft with warm.
Under the tsars, Russia acquired the borders of the Russian Empire. And Kutuzov, Suvorov, Ushakov, Nakhimov won their victories under the kings. They did without the leading role of the Communists.

But you don’t have to blame the Bolsheviks for this - the whites are no less responsible for this, or rather, those who served in the White Army

Are you addressing me personally? Where did you see in my posts the accusations of "White" or "Red". The massacre was organized by a third party.

You did not live with the king,

Yes, I did not live with the king. And during the reign of Emperor Nero, I was not there either.

supported the Bolsheviks. And it was they who decided that liberation from the unfair distribution of surplus value is a holiday,

That’s what I’m looking at, today they are distributing the surplus value fairly.
"No money, but you hold on."

[ccsr]

Quote: Vladimir_6

I am truly sorry for you. Why did you come to this World at all?

At least not to believe in your sermons.

Quote: Vladimir_6

Watch carefully the film "The Master and Margarita". Citizen Berlioz

I am not at all enthusiastic about this work, and even more so, since you are such a believer, you should be ashamed to refer to it.

Quote: Vladimir_6

Some believe that there is no God, others believe that there is God.

This is pure scholasticism, and for the simplest - ordinary verbiage. Do you think that makes you look smarter?

Quote: Vladimir_6

And by the way, the expression "glory to the CPSU", the communists tried to take away the Glory from God. But as you can see now - got excited.

Come on, you - the Bolsheviks generally ignored God, so do not fantasize that they wanted to take something from him. In general, they did not need God to redistribute the means of production and wealth of a handful of elite.

Quote: Vladimir_6

Under Peter, the Russian state was only being formed. The leader of all peoples built the USSR on the foundation laid by Tsar Peter the Great. No need to compare soft with warm.

Well, you don’t like the Bolsheviks so much that you immediately attribute any action to the tragedy. So why not compare that tragedy with the tragedies that existed long before they appeared? Or you do not want to see this point blank, otherwise suddenly seditious thoughts will appear?

Quote: Vladimir_6

The slaughter was arranged by a third party.

I know this "theory" - it is this "third party" who urinates in our porches, and eats vodka right on the playground. Burn on ...

Quote: Vladimir_6

That’s what I’m looking at, today they are distributing the surplus value fairly.
"No money, but you hold on."

So we lived under the tsar - so we returned to what people like you dreamed of. I hope you will not deny that the current government serves the interests of the capitalists of Russia - grandfather Lenin warned you about this, but you did not believe him, so cry into someone else's waistcoat, but your "claims" to the oligarchs are ridiculous for me.

[Vladimir_6]

At least not to believe in your sermons.

A post above I suggested you finish the dialogue. But you do not give up. What soul no one to pour out?

I am not at all enthusiastic about this work, and even more so, since you are such a believer, you should be ashamed to refer to it.

The main message of this film is EVIL in this World for fools. The CPSU charter overshadowed your mind, and you were not able to see it.

This is pure scholasticism, and for the simplest - ordinary verbiage. Do you think that makes you look smarter?

Rude boy. If you want to see a fool - look in the mirror.

In general, they did not need God to redistribute the means of production and wealth of a handful of elite.

Yes, they needed Sharikov: "Take everything and divide"

I hope you will not deny that the current government serves the interests of the Russian capitalists

The current government did not come from Mars. She is the "flesh of the flesh" of the CPSU. Only the blind do not see it.

so cry into someone else's waistcoat, but for me your "claims" to the oligarchs are ridiculous.

. Cry about the cruelty of the tyrants of kings and the ruined lives of the Old Believers.
I did not voice claims to the oligarchs. To each in his own life.
This is where the debate ends. Write memoirs.

[ccsr]

Quote: Vladimir_6

A post above I suggested you finish the dialogue.

I think that it can hardly end, if only because it was not there, because of your inadequate perception of history.
It is useless to discuss with you, and so argue with these statistics:

[Vladimir_6]

In order to make the picture more clear, we need to consider the graph of the population of Russia, the USSR and the Russian Federation from Adam and Eve. As a last resort from the date of the Flood.
To the theme of the HOLIDAY on November 7, this schedule has nothing to do. You also discard the graph of the number of stray dogs for the period 1800 - 2020

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Vladimir_6

Both the Russian Empire and the USSR were destroyed by the same team with a difference of exactly 72 of the year.

Jews, or what? Or are the Americans?

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: Vladimir_6

Both the Russian Empire and the USSR were destroyed by the same team with a difference of exactly 72 of the year.

Jews, or what? Or are the Americans?

Not just ordinary Jews, but Kabbalists. But there is no desire to procrastinate this topic.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Vladimir_6

Kabbalists

And it is not necessary. Myself to yourself. And then you have the Holy Scripture, the Kabbalists ...

[Vladimir_6]

Myself to yourself

And do not forget about yourself

[evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru]

Nobody, primitively, shared. They shared it. About 70% of the officers followed the people, followed the Reds. Even, with a creak, in the soul, accepting familiarity and other ,, charms ,, of a revolutionary mess. Understood - ,, exploiting classes ,, deserve such an attitude. And what do you want？ To rape peasant girls, sell peasants and lose cards ...., force workers to work more than 11 hours a day （official working day in the Republic of Ingushetia at the beginning of the 5th century）, child labor and child prostitution, mass hunger, repeating approximately every XNUMX years, although RI fed the whole of Europe, suppressing the speeches of workers and peasants in the Soviet Union, using artillery at the same time .... For this, Russian PEOPLE should have been be exploiting classes？！ Keywords （not all） for understanding what is happening during the Civil War - ,, revenge, and ,, hatred ,,. ... There is such a snapshot. Kolchak with his girlfriend, with white officers and intervention officers, sat down in highchairs. Now the Reds will be executed ... It is necessary to let THIS pass through everything. THERE are YOU mentally sending yourself, armed with artifacts. Ask your conscience for advice. Then there will be no doubt whose side to take. Past and present

[Demon_is_ada]

Even if by Jews - thank them for that It doesn't matter who arranged it, the result is more important for our Motherland ... Yes, and by the way ... in "enlightened" Europe, or rather in "Aryan" France where all such suspiciously curly, hunchbacked ones and the tongue there is laryngeal (sarcasm if not CHO) of revolutions blazed up to horror, and much earlier than the first in Russia, even the vests still buzz there ... but what's the point ??? So some component is missing for the victory of socialism ... I will tell you a secret, this component is Russian people

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: Demon_is_ada

Even if by Jews - thank them for that

How Stalin returned the gold appropriated by the Bolsheviks and the International Bankers
https://subscribe.ru/group/otkuda-myi-prishli/9795384/
Read at your leisure.

[Demon_is_ada]

I started reading and FSE How do people keep up with all the scribble and don’t think with their brains ... Vladimir, how do you think Ford built factories (amo, fodzon), shipyards, rolling mills for Stalin’s beautiful eyes and Trotsky’s ass ??? Well, in general, even then there were sanctions from the "world progressive community" for our state and I can say with absolute certainty that the Bolsheviks dumped heavily during the sale, and the "noble" Americans lifted prices at least twice, this is their essence, they always do this , they drive them into a stalemate and then weld, their business is like that ... This process is described only with a twist of meaning ... How to make you believe? To tell the truth and a little tweak to distort the meaning ...

[Amper]

Black hundred in its role

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: Amper

Black hundred in its role

Are you for the "red" terror?

[VIT101]

Quote: Vladimir_6

"Military coup of 1917

No need to cast a shadow on the wattle fence. The so-called February Revolution of 1917 is a classic military coup. Approximate Nicholas forced him to renounce power. There was no revolution as such.
The October Revolution, as you write, is a real revolution. This is a well-known and universally recognized fact. And not to acknowledge this is to consciously and intentionally distort historical reality.

[Alexander Suvorov]

210ox (Dmitry) Today, 07: 44
Exactly. And this is the main answer to all "Olgovichs".

He is the second day in the history section raging. This topic is not a place for boulder crunches, this is OUR Holiday!

[Olgovich]

Quote: 210ox

Exactly. And this is the main answer to all "Olgovichs".

Olgovich fully agrees with the assessment of BOP given Petersburg WORKERS in March 1918, when it became clear WHAT is a Thief:

Declaration to the Fourth Extraordinary Congress of Soviets

We, workers of Petrograd factories and plants, we turn to the All-Russian Congress of Soviets of Workers, Peasants and Soldiers' Deputies with the following statement:

The new government calls itself Soviet and Worker-Peasant. But in fact, the most important issues of state life are resolved in addition to the Soviets; The CEC-t is not going to, or is going to, to silently endorse the steps without which the autocratic people commissioners autocratically took; Tips that disagree with government policies unceremoniously dispersed by armed force. In fact, any attempt by the workers to express their will in the Soviets through re-election is thwarted, and more than once the Petrograd workers have heard threats from machine guns from representatives of the new government, experienced executions of their assemblies and their manifestations.

We were promised immediate peace, a democratic peace concluded by peoples through the heads of their governments. But in fact we were given the shameful surrender to the German imperialists.
We were given a world consolidating the collapse of Russia and making it the extraction of foreign capital, a world destroying our industry. We were given a world in which we don’t even know the exact boundaries of our slavery, because the Bolshevik government, shouting so much against secret diplomacy, itself practices the worst sort of diplomatic secret, and already leaving Petrograd, still does not report the full and accurate text of all the conditions of the world, arbitrarily disposing of the fate of the people, state, revolution.

They promised us bread. But in reality they gave an unprecedented hunger.

We were given the Civil War, devastating the country and completely ruining its economy. Under the guise of socialism, we were given the final destruction of industry and a breakdown in finances, we were given the theft of the public wealth and accumulated capital by people with an insatiable appetite. We were given the kingdom of bribery and speculation, which took on unheard-of proportions.
Trade unions destroyed factory committees cannot protect us, the city council has been dispersed, and co-operatives are being hindered.

We were promised freedom. And what do we see in practice? Where is the freedom of speech, assembly, unions, press, peaceful demonstrations? All trampled by police heels everything is crushed by an armed hand. We reached to the shame of courtless executions, to the bloody horror of the death penalty, committed by people who are both scammers, and provocateurs, and investigators, and prosecutors, and judges, and executioners.

RGASPI. F. 275. On. 1. D. 42. L. 30-30 vol. 1;
Nothing to add!

[Foul skeptic]

Declaration to the Fourth Extraordinary Congress of Soviets

Which to the St. Petersburg workers had the same relationship as I, for example.
It will not bother you to tell where this "appeal" appeared?
And then it will not be difficult to tell whose print edition it was?

[Olgovich]

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

Which to the St. Petersburg workers had the same relationship as I, for example.

Do not write nonsense

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

It will not bother you to tell where this "appeal" appeared?
And then it will not be difficult to tell whose print edition it was?

1. At the so-called congress tips appeared, it’s written
2.Sama herself! (WITH)

[Foul skeptic]

Do not write nonsense

And I just don’t write

1. At the so-called congress tips appeared, it’s written

No

herself, herself!

So I just know, I don't need to look. And that's why I understand the "price" of this "appeal"

[Olgovich]

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

And I just don’t write

You write: WORKERS wrote.

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

No

Yes

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

As I just know, I don't need to look. And that's why I understand the "price" of this "appeal"

And I know.
Price-high: showing the attitude of workers to traitors

[Foul skeptic]

Enough of idle talk. I ask again the answers to two simple questions:

It will not bother you to tell where this "appeal" appeared?
And then it will not be difficult to tell whose print edition it was?

[Olgovich]

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

It will not bother you to tell where this "appeal" appeared?
And then it will not be difficult to tell whose print edition it was?

See above, tired already

[Foul skeptic]

There is nothing to look above, there are no answers to my questions - it is itself, it is not such.
Since when did gentlemen Bogdanov and Smirnov become St. Petersburg workers?

[knn54]

In world production in 1913, the share of Russia was 1,72%, the United States - 20%, England - 18%, Germany - 9%, France - 7,2%. Moreover, their population was 2-3 times smaller. than in Russia.
Russian industry (banks, enterprises, railways, mines, oil / gas, etc.) was practically divided between Western countries.
T, E By 1913, Russia had lost its economic sovereignty. In 1917, the debt of the Republic of Ingushetia amounted to: total - 48 billion, external - 7,2 billion. The prospects are NO.
But EVERYTHING (from the point of view of the West) was "spoiled" by the Bolsheviks.
WHICH. Without exaggeration, saved the country from being torn to pieces.
Happy GREAT, friends.
And let's not forget that the West did not abandon its desires for the dismemberment and enslavement of ALL republics of the former USSR.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: knn54

But EVERYTHING (from the point of view of the West) was "spoiled" by the Bolsheviks.

When all the oil from Russia was pumped out by the Rothschilds and Nobels for free, Russia was a semi-colony. And now the bestial looks are directed at Russia.

[Alexander Suvorov]

Chit Today, 09:25
And they built the fairest state ...

Yes, they did!

Let me ask you, on which political map can I admire it?

And on what map can you see the Russian Empire, German, Austro-Hungarian, Turkish? Why, there is nothing left of the former British Empire either. So past the gate there is a miscarriage.

And do not talk about a handful of traitors who ruined the Union.

No, you are one of them!

If a great country can be destroyed by a handful of people, such a country is worthless.
The price of such an ideology is worthless.
The price of such power is worthless.
Worthless is such a political system.

That is precisely what is more relevant to RI, but not to the USSR!

[Chit]

Built - for health. Who forbids? I ask why it is not on the political map of the world today? Because what was built turned out to be unviable? Not competitive? Or will we again nod to a bunch of traitors?
The Russian Empire was destroyed by their agitation and the actions of the Bolsheviks. Those same Bolsheviks whose coming to power you celebrate today. According to the logic of our dialogue, the Bolsheviks are the same bunch of traitors who ruined the state. The example is unsuccessful.
You don’t need to get personal, I don’t do that. On the contrary, it is extremely polite and correct.
And the last one. Those. RI is worthless as a country with a flawed ideology, which is why it has disappeared. But the USSR, on the contrary, lives today. The ideology of the USSR helped him survive and now he is flourishing. Did I understand you correctly?

[Alexander Suvorov]

Chit
Because what was built turned out to be unviable?

Ha ha ha ... So not viable that we still live that legacy.

The Russian Empire was destroyed by their agitation and the actions of the Bolsheviks. Those same Bolsheviks whose coming to power you celebrate today.

Are you headquarters ?! Directly the Bolsheviks collapsed ?! And I poor one thought that she was first ruined by a rag-king, and then by the talkers and demagogues from the interim government. But it turns out how ?!

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Chit

The price of such an ideology is worthless.
The price of such power is worthless.
Worthless is such a political system.

Kennedy:

We cannot defeat the Soviet Union in a conventional war. This is an impregnable fortress. We can defeat the Soviet Union only by other methods: ideological, psychological, propaganda, economics

James Baker, US Secretary of State:

We have spent trillions of dollars over the past 40 years to win the Cold War against the USSR

Worthless, you say?

[AU Ivanov.]

I will add: and the penny of that party, which without constant sweeps turned into a rabble, is worthless.

[albert]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

and the price of that party, which without constant sweeps turned into a rabble, is worthless.

That's right, especially about United Russia.

[tacet]

Source of your data please.
There are slightly different numbers:
Shares of Russia, the USA, Great Britain, Germany and France in world industrial production (in%)
on 1913/XNUMX/XNUMX
Россия 5,3
USA 35,8
UK 14,0
Germany 15,7
France 6,4
Source: Folke H. Industrialization and Foreign Trade. Geneva, 1945. H. 13; Rather S., Soltow JH, Sylla R. The Evolution of the American Economy. New York, 1979.R. 385.

[BecmepH]

Quote: Civil

To the honor of the nobles in 1917, they did not surrender power without a fight, unlike the degraded top of the CPSU in 1991.

Totally agree with you. Be that as it may, the feeling of honor in our people is in the blood.

[DEDPIHTO]

To the honor of the nobles in 1917, they did not surrender power without a fight, unlike the degraded top of the CPSU in 1991.

Great honor to fight with my people and even with the help of the interventionists)) And what was the protection of the werewolves at the top of the CPSU if they themselves specifically ruined the Soviet Union in order to become full masters in torn pieces of the Great Country. You turned everything upside down according to the training manual.

[Sergey1987]

Quote: DEPHIHTO

And what was the protection of werewolves at the top of the CPSU

Well, let's start telling tales about the traitors in the CPSU, about conspiracy theories, about Trotskyists in power all after Stalin. Already so many of these nonsense have been read. Directly from all republics, all party members gathered and agreed to break up the USSR, so that it would rule in places. Baby ravings. The Communist Party turned the USSR into a non-viable state, and such clowns as you allowed its collapse. And now whimpering at the monitors and singing songs about what a wonderful state it was. It would be funny if it were not so sad.

[Mitya2424]

To hell with "noble honor" - they just had no alternative, well, the nobles did not fit into the new device, they either had a bullet, or migration, or a rifle in hand and forward. But the "degraded top of the CPSU" very deftly adapted to the new system, torn apart the great country into local uluses, renaming themselves from secretaries to presidents

[basmach]

To the honor of the nobles, not what you wrote. What did not pass without a fight? To the honor of the nobles is that almost 2 / 3 nobles sided with the Soviet regime.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

You have some strange numbers. By 1917, youth literacy exceeded 80 percent. Nobles in the country were 1% of the population, and state posts were occupied not by origin, but by talent and education, the share of nobles in the structure of ranks of the Empire was steadily declining.

Considering the guard, in the infantry of immigrants from the nobles in 1910 there were 44,3%, in the Cossack troops - 44,6%, in the railway troops - 54,3%, in the engineering troops - 69,5%, in the artillery - 76,8 , 79,7% and in cavalry - 1911%. There were quite a lot of immigrants from peasants and philistines by this time. Among the most massive detachment of officers - infantry (including the guard) chief officers, they were in 1912-36. 36,3-41,4% - almost as many as the nobles (40,1-38,3%), in the Cossack units immigrants from the "taxable estate" (here they were mainly Cossacks) comprised 41,2- among the chief officers 22,1%, among headquarters officers - 24,5–36,6%, while nobles –– 37,4–55,8% and 59,2–14,5%, respectively. Among the infantry headquarters officers (colonels and lieutenant colonels), the share of immigrants from the "taxable estate" rose during these years to 16,6-90%. In the army infantry regiments of immigrants from the nobility in the late XIX - early XX centuries. there were very few, some of them were almost absent, so compared with even the middle of the XIX century. the composition of the officers of origin has changed very much. In the years after the Russo-Japanese War, the percentage of nobles as a result of the measures taken increased slightly, reaching approximately the level of the XNUMXs. XIX century., I.e. half, but again showed a downward trend.

http://swolkov.org/rok/071.htm
As for the war - it was Patriotic, Russia defended itself against German aggression.

[tacet]

DO NOT DISTORT.
There were 1897% literate as of 27 (according to the general census) (excluding Finland), and among the male population, literacy was 39%. The worst indicator was Wed-Asia-6%, the best was in the Privisli provinces-41%, the European part (without the Caucasus) -thirty%. By 30, the literate population has halved in your opinion!?
Nobles made up 1,5% (according to the same general census). 77% peasants (largest stratum)

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Civil

To the honor of the nobles in 1917, they did not surrender power without a fight, unlike the degraded top of the CPSU in 1991.

The degraded top of the CPSU in 1991 did not surrender power, -
she reformatted the country to her selfish interests.

[race]

Quote: Civil

So by the beginning of the revolution of 1917 they had in Russia:
1. 86% of the population are illiterate.
2. 0,2% of the population are nobles who occupied all public posts.
3. For 4 years there was a senseless imperialist war.

So, in order.
1. 86% of the population are illiterate. - Where does this infa come from? According to the work of A.G. Rashina Population of Russia for 100 years (1813 - 1913) Statistical essays http://istmat.info/node/86, for 1913 about 30% of the population were literate throughout the Russian Empire. At the same time, it is necessary to distinguish between the literacy rate of the population of European Russia and, for example, Central Asia, where the literacy rate was much lower, and this reduced the overall literacy rate in the empire.

And for the population of Russia aged 8 years and older, the literacy rate can be estimated at 38-39%. (for 1913)

In this case, the percentage literateaccepted for military service in 1913 amounted to 67,8%. I draw your attention literate.

2. 0,2% of the population are nobles who occupied all public posts. - In 1905, the proportion of hereditary nobles exceeded 1,0% of the total population of the empire (http://istmat.info/node/24426). Wherein

By the beginning of the 1897th century, the hereditary nobility, which was officially perceived as “the first pillar of the throne” and “one of the most reliable instruments of the government,” is gradually losing its economic and administrative dominance. In 52, the share of hereditary nobles among the military was 31%, among civil servants 0%. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D1%BE%D81%1%D81%0%D8%B0%D9%B1%D81%0%D0%BA%D0%BE%D5 % B0_% D4% B0% D2% B0% D1% BE% D80% 1% D8% 0F% D1% BD% D81% 1% D82% 0% D2% B0% DXNUMX% BE

Have you heard about General Alekseev? He was the chief of staff of the headquarters of the Supreme Commander of the Russian Army from 1915 to early 1917. So, he was born into the family of a former soldier of extended service, who served in the sergeant major, and then into officers. He was no nobleman. Should they really know about General Denikin? Well, the leader of those same nobles who, with battle, wanted to regain what was taken from them by the great October Revolution! So, Anton Ivanovich Denikin was born in the family of a retired major border guard. Father, Ivan Efimovich Denikin (1807-1885), came from the serfs of the Saratov province. Such a nobleman. And such examples can be given in full.

3. For 4 years there was a senseless imperialist war. - I won’t argue with that. Not that it was completely meaningless, but it was completely stupid, and this applies to all its participants, both Allies in the Entente and the Triple Alliance - numerous miscalculations, errors in planning and high expectations. But the Russian Empire was completely unprepared for such a war, and there are many reasons for this.
Moreover, it was Nicholas II who could, at least theoretically, prevent the war or, at least, postpone its start, but too powerful forces both abroad and within Russia were interested in its beginning.

[Potato]

Hooray! Workers of all countries - unite! Together we will build a bright socialist future!

[Svarog]

Happy Holiday! This day, brought true freedom to the working man, made it possible for everyone to be more perfect, create, create!

[Fitter]

Congratulations on the Great October Socialist Revolution Day from Belarus!
We are celebrating today!

[Far B]

Happy Great October to all those present !!!
I suggest to repeat

[Lisiy Prapor]

Right now, they will run up with the "horrors of the Civil", as if there are millions in the country who are ready to lay down their lives for the modern power of the plutocrats. I have no doubt that there are those who are ready to shoot "for a small share," but the mercenary VERY values ​​his life,

[Vladimir16]

Fool and glass bolt not for long.
No one ever gave his life for power.
Life is given for life. For the lives of their children, for the very opportunity to live on. Life is given for Christ.
Ghouls are biting for power.

[Lisiy Prapor]

Sorry if I hurt your feelings, I am an agnostic, and Jewish folk tales do not touch me. By the way, Jesus came to save the "children of Israel" and no one but , and I only fit the exterior.

[Demon_is_ada]

Eeee, how would you say something that would not hurt ... You see, my mustache Jews (except reptilians) according to Jewish law ... according to mother ... yeah ... Eve was Jewish , therefore, Europe, the Jews have the same root words ... A study of the mitochondrial DNA of women around the world, revealed a striking uniformity and the scientific community unequivocally concluded that the modern female population of the world comes from a single ancestress ... But there is one thing ... Adam how not from mom , here it’s considered by us as a father, but among them as a mother ... The Earth’s most favorite pastime is to guess who the child went to, father or mother Well, yes, there was also Lilith, but this is a closed topic. So Jewish folk tales did not grow out of nowhere, and not only Jewish ones ... Are you a mom or dad? Well, right now, I will kindle and humiliate In humans, the information accumulated by ancestors is transmitted using genes, it is precisely that part that the "exceptional" American "uchony" called garbage (well, they really have garbage and mosaic), the trick is that there are two varieties of Y b X. women only half the set of male genes (not all information)
so to speak "budget option" ... There is also a trick - from X, Y can be formed almost a copy without 25% of the mother's, or it can be transferred from the father or maybe X will form from Y ... So go and figure it out ... yeah ... so not everything is so simple

Happy Holidays, friends!

[Lisiy Prapor]

"We, the Chukchi people, have no prejudices" (c), We are Slavs at the "blood" did not look and do not look, we are not Japanese and not some Anglo-Saxons (as a result of which I, purely outwardly - "the son of Israel")

[Freeman]

Quote: lisiy prapor

"We, the Chukchi people, have no prejudices" (c), We are Slavs at the "blood" did not look and do not look, we are not Japanese and not some Anglo-Saxons (as a result of which I, purely outwardly - "the son of Israel")

I support. Skin color and religion are not important - the main thing is that the person is good.

[Vladimir_2U]

Happy Holidays!

[askort154]

Happy holiday to all those for whom it has always been a holiday. And our new rulers, not much better, are the Ukrainians we condemn. The history of Russia is treated like a soccer ball, hammering it into one goal or another.

[DEDPIHTO]

The new rulers today in their repertoire will hold a solemn march in Moscow in honor of the 78th anniversary of the military parade on November 7, 1941. The parade in honor of the parade, like ... Everyone does, just to erase the people's memory of the Socialist Revolution, and even so savagely-using (replacing) for this, the memory of significant events during the Second World War that is no less significant for the people.

[kjhg]

Quote: DEPHIHTO

Parade in honor of the parade, as ..

Trying to replace concepts and meaning. But they do not say a word why, on that day, November 7, 1941, during a terrible threat, when the enemy was already in Moscow, Stalin and the party still decided to hold a parade. Then there was still no certainty that we would defend Moscow. The enemy was strong and treacherous. Our factories evacuated from West to East have not yet been launched. But the parade was held and it gave confidence that nothing would be over until everything was lost. This is a special condition for a person when he ceases to be afraid of death and is ready for it. That's what the November 7 parade meant. Yes, in our calm time it is difficult to understand. But because of this, the meaning of that event should not be minimized. Even those people who do not like the day of the October Revolution cannot deny what this date really means in our history. And therefore, it becomes even more shameful for the current government that they stole this holiday from us, replacing it with November 4. Contempt for them and only contempt.

[Was mammoth]

Quote: DEPHIHTO

The new rulers today in their repertoire will hold a solemn march in Moscow in honor of the 78th anniversary of the military parade on November 7, 1941

Happy Great October Socialist Revolution!
Spent. Feeling of bewilderment and shame for the organizers of the SHOW.

[Roman070280]

Eh .. now would repeat ..

[AU Ivanov.]

What to repeat? 9 million dead? Are you sure you will not be among them?

[Roman070280]

You got something wrong ..
Today is a holiday .. and celebrate not about 9 or 19 or 29 million dead ..
If you don’t know what day it is today - read at least the article above ..

[AU Ivanov.]

In the years 1917-1922. the country's population decreased by 12,7-15 million people. Of these, 2 million were forced to emigrate, and 10,7–13 million were killed. Thus, the death toll in Russia during the Civil War significantly exceeded the losses of all 38 countries that participated in the First World War. So this holiday with tears in his eyes. It did not interfere with silence to honor the memory of the victims of the coup, regardless of their beliefs.

[Roman070280]

You can still honor all those who died after 91 years .. without fitting into the market ..
And if 2 million of those who are now robbing the remaining 148 million, suddenly emigrate .. of course, it will be very sorry .. For being on a rope is much more useful to them ..

Well, what everyone is celebrating today - you still don’t understand ..

[AU Ivanov.]

The holiday is mixed. Doubtful holiday.

[syndicalist]

By this logic, those who died in the Second World War are vain victims. Would surrender on June 23rd and everyone would be alive. Alas, there are no great transformations without sacrifices. I am afraid that today the country is on the verge of changes of no less scale.

[AU Ivanov.]

The Patriotic War is an attack of an external enemy who set as his goal the destruction of the Russian people as an ethnic group. If they surrendered, then there would have been much more victims. Civil war is fratricide.

[Demon_is_ada]

Excuse me, did you write down as a civilian victim those who died of starvation due to crop failure? Just the drought was at 21 ... and the losses from aggression of the Entente hung on the Bolsheviks the same? It’s interestingly compared

[AU Ivanov.]

In addition to drought, the food surplus was also the cause of the famine, the result of which was a sharp reduction in the sown area (this, not this, will be squeezed out anyway) Peasant uprisings against the power were caused by the same thing: they gave land, but they could not freely dispose of the results of peasant labor

[Demon_is_ada]

The sharp reduction in area is the result of the lack of seed that was devoured ...

Quote: AS Ivanov.

(this, not this - they’ll squeeze it anyway)

What a democratic freedom of sowing I want to sow, I want not to sow ... yeah ... if you consider that the passports were issued as much in my opinion in '74 Yeah, they asked for an opinion there.
And the uprisings are not uprisings - hunger riots, I know the Tambov uprising well, just on the lands of my ancestors, so here at first they put Antonov on the horns, not the Red Army, but the peasants, and then the Red Army on the horns, and all because of ideological motives, one point was common wives and children, this was the most fundamental, that’s when this issue was decided, the Soviet power was voluntarily supported, and unanimously. And everything that was written in the Soviet era about Antonovism — well, they squealed a bit, so that the image would not fall ...

[AU Ivanov.]

One of the key slogans of the revolution was "Land for the peasants", thanks to which the Bolsheviks received the support of the agrarians. The peasant received the land as his property and could do whatever he wanted with it - he could sow, but he could not sow - it was his personal business. And every peasant had every right to dispose of the results of his labor, I note: hard labor. In fact, the farmer was simply robbed. In Novgorodskaya we also raised food detachments on the pitchfork, squeezing the harvest. And then yes - repression.

[Demon_is_ada]

It is most likely that you had an individual farm there, so it was like that, and the collective farm was not very eager to see because of the flaws in propaganda. We had artels, after the armistice, they simply added to the word artel "The Way to Communism", we did not have collectivization as the liberoids describe it, the delivery of bread and others was agreed, even the plan was overfulfilled all the time, but in return the first tractors came to we, in principle, we did not have hunger, but they gave everything to the maximum, although there were millions on the artel's accounts ... Lenin once before the revolution at the congress said that they say that after a couple of years we’ll stir up, and most importantly, now the propaganda is in place and here they are on ... from the flunk bay and it started with all the troubles ...

[AU Ivanov.]

Collectivization began in 1928, before that most peasant farms were sole. Robbed the peasants in the late tenths - early twenties.

[Demon_is_ada]

Even individual farmers pulled the food appropriation appropriately, surplus to the market, but with the drought they could not even give it away. In our land - even in a drought with the return of the surplus, they lived prosperously, but with regards to Antonov - it was his fighters who collected this very surplus and were called "people's militia", although he recruited those who fled from hunger from the south and the Volga region, there were almost no locals there, but Moscow armed this gang, apparently the shortfalls of the Trotskyists and Socialist-Revolutionaries and the fact that in Ternovka, when they were swollen from hunger in other regions, these ghouls rotted grain under the open sky, the same was and the number of "people's militia" just sharply increased this year, thousands under 50, the real gangster was. That's when it started and it really was a civilian, since the Antonovites were killed half, the rest fled, then Tukhachevsky didn’t understand and tried to repress, as a result, the army was completely killed, they began to shoot from the fronts, the world's first concentration camp in Borisoglebsk, chlorine with mustard gas is the same Tukhachevsky. It's good that they came from the Central Committee and sorted it out, but they killed 100 thousand people ... Such is the lack of information ...

[race]

M-yes, judging by your narrative - horses mixed up in a heap, people ...

[Demon_is_ada]

You read in the context of the entire dialogue and carefully. And in life, everything is always interspersed - grains and tares, dung and pearls ... and if that’s embarrassing, so forever please tell us ...

[anjey]

Yes, there was a heroic time a hundred years ago, people on the side of the Soviets did not go to death for the Golden Calf and the estate by the river, but for IDEALS and FAITH in the bright future of future generations .....

[impostor]

and the estate by the river

Manor beyond the puddle, so ...

[rotmistr60]

I want to join in the congratulations and wish the youth not to forget their story. It was celebrated sincerely and sincerely, and cities flourished with flags and banners, people had fun from the heart.

[NKT]

Undoubtedly, history needs to know, especially its country, but it is also not necessary to idealize certain periods. That October coup d'etat divided our country in half and cost millions of lives.

[kjhg]

Do you think millions of dying lives before the revolution? Yes, yes, it is precisely those people (unless of course you consider them to be people) who died from a lack of food, because sometimes they had nothing to eat at a time when kings and nobles bathed in luxury. They died of diseases, because for them no one built hospitals. Died in a meaningless first world war. You do not consider these? And count how many millions of people died after 1991. And what did these sacrifices bring to the people BEFORE 1917? What were these victims after 1991 for? And compare this with what the country and people have achieved between 1917 and 1991. This is the main question, not the fact of the victims. The victims were also after 1917. But largely thanks to these victims, the USSR made an unprecedented breakthrough in the economy, lboron, science, in the level of social welfare. If today our country would again become a leading world power, where there are no handful of billionaires with hundreds of millions of poor and poor, then I would be among the first to stand for the current government, justifying the victims of the 90s and 2000s. If we lived at the level of the leading countries of the world, but alas. There is none of this. Because all these sacrifices were made and are being made in the name of a handful of people who seized power in the country.

[NKT]

Are you ready to sacrifice your family, children / grandchildren, for a bright future? For example, they will tell you that tomorrow we will destroy all your loved ones (the forest is cut - chips fly), and the day after tomorrow communism sets in? Of course, this is all exaggerated, but the main meaning is clear. Are you ready to sacrifice your loved ones?

[kjhg]

Quote: NKT

Are you ready to sacrifice your family, children / grandchildren, for a bright future?

You did not understand the meaning of my words. Do you understand what this is? The fact is that they will be sacrificed anyway. Every day are brought. Not just for the sake of their bright future, but for the future of the current ruling group and their children and grandchildren. What is this expressed in? I will not list everything. You yourself will understand. I will give just a few examples:
- in the poisoned foods that poison us, which leads to an increase in neglect leading to death
- refusal to provide affordable healthcare
- in the rejection of social obligations due to which a person has to work more and more
- in the absence of decent work near the house, because of which you have to dangle and spend most of your life there, which leads to the destruction of families
- in the fall in real incomes with a simultaneous increase in all taxes, fees and prices
- with the imposition of credit bondage, without which you can not buy a home
etc.
All together leads to the fact that the population of Russia, including my relatives and friends will die out.

[Lisiy Prapor]

Quote: NKT

Are you ready to sacrifice your family, children / grandchildren, for a bright future? For example, they will tell you that tomorrow we will destroy all your loved ones (the forest is cut - chips fly), and the day after tomorrow communism sets in? Of course, this is all exaggerated, but the main meaning is clear. Are you ready to sacrifice your loved ones?

And the removal of the tonsils through the anus is a prerequisite? Or just a tradition that can be neglected?
Sorry, but the intellectual level ... "if your children .." Our children will be taught in schools tomorrow that they were born and will live in (well, you yourself understand what) by the will of God, and must give their lives to please the descendants of those who stole ...

[AU Ivanov.]

Removal of the tonsils through the anus and appendectomy through the esophagus is precisely the Soviet tradition.

[standan]

Happy Holidays!

[yuliatreb]

Do not take people to extremes and such holidays will not happen at all. There is no wrong, love your homeland, honor your history, and then the mistakes of the past can be avoided.

[aybolyt678]

Happy Holidays Dear FRIENDS !!! For reference: the word comrade came from the word Goods. Commodities in Russia were called trade caravans. When they went with the goods, they drank, ate together, experienced the hardships of the road, died from robbers, and if successful had dividends ... The party address the comrade implied a common Way, a common Purpose, interests, and self-sacrifice for the sake of others.

[My address]

Happy Great October Socialist Revolution!
The revolution that raised the state, country, people of the country to the heights of development!
A revolution that brought together the interests of the state and the people!
The Soviet Union cannot be returned, but it is possible to build better. Even the imperfect Soviet Union was the fairest and best state in history.

[Lisiy Prapor]

With modern types of capital turnover and control over all operations, this will not be difficult.

Quote: My address

The Soviet Union cannot be returned, but it is possible to build better.

[Warrior2015]

Quote: My address

Even the imperfect Soviet Union was the fairest and best state in history.

From such a profound statement, one can only choke ... comrade, can you somehow substantiate your words? or do not know the term "repression" and are not familiar with the structure of other countries?

[Lisiy Prapor]

Well, I lived in the Soviet Union, even for 16 years. Well, I don’t remember, huch kill "repression", the fear of steps on the stairs. I must be a slave, right? if I was satisfied with my life in a country where I had to hell with "guarantees" and a sense of personal security (murder in the USSR was still an extraordinary phenomenon)

Quote: Warrior2015

From such a profound statement, one can only choke ... comrade, can you somehow substantiate your words? or do not know the term "repression" and are not familiar with the structure of other countries?

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Warrior2015

or don't know the term "repression"

repression is vital today !! relevant!

[nesoglasen]

All a happy holiday !!! I want to believe that the second Lenin will appear in Russia !!!

[Alexander Suvorov]

nesoglasen (Valery)
All a happy holiday !!! I want to believe that the second Lenin will appear in Russia !!!

Better Stalin with Beria and Molotov for company!

[Demon_is_ada]

Nope, it will be even worse for the bloodsuckers who are the krovushka folk ... Look at the congratulations on the site - from the bottom of the heart, with a clear awareness of the results of life experience of the older generation, and what is even more pleasing - with young people There will be millions of Leninians - bearers of ideas and already vast experience, unlike those revolutionaries who have no experience and act on a hunch. So everything has its own time, let it be understood and there will be no civil war , because it will be a hybrid secentric revolution of the spirit, where each bearer of the idea ... Here's to you and "Lenin is more alive than all the living" prophetic words ...
Happy Holiday again, dear friends!

[Lisiy Prapor]

Your words, yes, to a citizen’s god’s ears ... but he’s not there, purely in my opinion.

[Per se.]

Yes, the revolutionaries, of course, had mistakes and excesses, but today it is extremely important to take out all the positive things that 102 brought famous events with years ago, it is important to learn the lessons and draw conclusions, without which it is difficult to understand the very scale of what happened over the years post-revolutionary history.

Yes, the mistakes were, as without them, they built a new social system, thanks to which the Soviet Union became a cosmic and nuclear superpower, the world pole of socialism.

It was not socialism that lost to capitalism, human vices lost, a great country and a high idea were betrayed by those who were supposed to defend it, implement its further development. Our bureaucrats were impressed by the supermarkets of the West, the gloss of the life of billionaires, they wanted more, and the people were led to the forbidden fruit, "jeans-chewing gum".
So, the USSR fell, now there is something to compare with, ate "Snickers" ... The new "elite", on November 7, removed from the holidays, and this is a great date in our history. The same French are not ashamed of their revolution, it remains a national holiday in France. It is different with us, many oligarchs were in the CPSU, in the Komsomol, they forgot everything and betrayed. There cannot be a former communist if he really was a communist and not a careerist werewolf, this is another explanation of why a great country perished.

As one character from the movie said, the idea is immortal, those who betrayed the idea will betray anything, and their morality is worthless, no matter how many billions they own. I really hope that the evolution of society will put everything in its place, socialism will return in a new and better quality, otherwise, Russia, and the whole earthly civilization, does not have a worthy future, in the cult of money and consumer morality.

[Rurikovich]

Quote: Per se.

The new "elite" removed from the holidays on November 7, and this is a great date in our history. The same French are not ashamed of their revolution, it remains a national holiday in France

We, in Bulbyandii, have a state holiday today! History is history, and we must perceive it as it was (not fictitious, of course, but real).
And the glass today is not a sin to raise for what was Because we have nothing to be ashamed of And whatever the different "Egorovs" sang about sitting on two chairs WE REMEMBER OUR STORY

[Sling cutter]

Rurikovich (Andrey) Belarussian brothers happy holiday !!!

[VeteranVSSSR]

Thank you!

[Alexander Suvorov]

Rurikovich (Andrey)
We, in Bulbyandii, have a state holiday today!

I envy you Belarusians, you, unlike us, have not yet taken the holiday and replaced it with some kind of pseudo-historical burda. For that matter, the Poles were thrown out on November 7th!
Happy Great October!

[Per se.]

Quote: Rurikovich

WE REMEMBER YOUR HISTORY

Andrei, in Belarus there is father Lukashenko, whatever they say, he means a lot. For me, by and large, Belarus and Cuba are still light in the window. How is Gosha Kutsenko in the role of Fox (film "Antikiller") -

(At a travel agency)
- I can help you?
- I would go to Cuba.
- Actually, we have many options, but Cuba really has discounts this month, and then, now it’s sunny and warm.
- It is always warm and sunny there.

[bober1982]

Quote: Per se.

For me, by and large, Belarus and Cuba are still light in the window

Cuba is a very advanced country, in the sense of LGBT rights, namely:
- gender reassignment operations (transgender people) are paid from State the budget.
- same-sex relationships officially allowed from 16 years.
- to LGBT people officially allowed to serve in the army.
- Fidel Castro himself officially stated that harassment of LGBT people was a big mistake for revolutionaries.
- and, much more, in that sense.
Well, there, in Cuba - warm and sunny.

[Per se.]

Quote: bober1982

Cuba is a very advanced country in terms of LGBT rights

That is, if in Cuba LGBT people have recognized any rights, then Cuba, the conclusion suggests itself, is a country for LGBT people? So you can pull whatever you want, and even add Fidel to the "dovecote" in between times, for one thing and socialism in general. The socialist idea is alive in Cuba, it was not betrayed even in complete encirclement, being very close to the United States, this is the main thing. And, yes, there are cards there, precisely because this is the most hostile environment and limited resources. Nevertheless, the people in Cuban socialism have a future and the state cares about it, this is the light in the window, what was or will be, return to Cuba capitalism, will already be darkness for the common people, although it is "warm and sunny".

[bober1982]

Quote: Per se.

That is, if in Cuba any rights were recognized by LGBT people

Wow, any rights ..........

Quote: Per se.

also to add Fidel to the "dovecote" between times,

They, and without me, have long been anointed, you are very naive.

Quote: Per se.

behind one and generally socialism

So after all, with the victory of any revolution, sexual promiscuity begins in the future, let's call it French, Russian revolution, and so on.

Quote: Per se.

the people in Cuban socialism have a future

Yes, no, there has long been no socialism.

[Per se.]

Quote: bober1982

They, and without me, have long been anointed, you are very naive.

By the way, Vladimir, socialism also lost because in vileness, hypocrisy and hypocrisy, capitalist propaganda out of competition, everything is not naive. Yes, there is a reality, then with the same Cuba, with Belarus, there is no need to go into the absolute. We are not talking about the kingdom of God. In any case, the Soviet idea itself and communist morality are superior to the satanic ideology of the West. You must understand that you are a believer. Here we can also say that faith and religion are not the same thing. Has not religion degraded, have not the servants of God themselves been corrupted? This is the merit of capitalism, the Golden Calf. Paradoxically, denying God, the communists were much closer to the commandments of Christ than those who now make money on faith gain influence, and even more so, those who sold their souls for stolen billions. You have your own opinion, I have my own, thanks for your attention.

[bober1982]

After any revolution, the traditional religion is denied and a pseudo-religion is created, that is, they try to create a new type of person, begin to tell people about some future non-existent benefits and achievements (in the future), while a significant part of people are openly declared enemies and are simply thrown out new life (up to physical destruction). This cannot go on for so long, which we witnessed in 1991.

[AU Ivanov.]

Cuba? Light in the window? With a card system for food and an average salary of $ 15 per month. This is not light - this is pitch darkness.

[cosmonaut]

this is a good article. honestly and without slander. happy holiday!

[asv363]

Happy holiday! Happy Great October Socialist Revolution!

[Boris55]

All a happy holiday !!!

On the news showed preparations for the parade ... What happened. Our grandfathers and great-grandfathers fought with fascism in the ranks of which were Vlasovs i.e. and against them. I believe that the Vlasov flag, and in this parade it is not a state flag, but Vlasov (it was first approved as a state by the interim government, the traitor of Russia - Kerensky) should not be. Especially to lead this parade. In 17 we also fought against the White Guards who fought under the same flag.

If anyone doubts that the tricolor at one time was a Vlasov flag, here's a photo document for you:

[Naz]

I am for the old - red flag! The whole world knew that this was what stood behind him ..... but right now .....

[carstorm 11]

for the first time he became a state much earlier. in 1896. what does Kerensky have to do with it? and what does Vlasov have to do with it? if someone else took with what joy you give them their name then?

[Boris55]

Quote: carstorm 11

for the first time he became a state much earlier. in 1896 year

He was a trading flag, providing us with trade with the West and more.

According to the maritime law of those times, a ship sailing not under the approved flag was considered pirate, and had to be sunk. That’s why Peter was forced to accept it, not as state, but as commercial, Yes, to ensure our trade with the West. No more.

Quote: carstorm 11

if someone else took with what joy you give them their name then?

Swastika is an ancient symbol. Why is its media demonstration prohibited in Russia?

[carstorm 11]

coronation of Nicholas II. and his decree. 1896 year. To unite the people in a difficult period for Russia, it was decided to declare a white-blue-red three-lane canvas as a single flag for all occasions. and what does Vlasov and Kkerensky let me ask again? and what does the swastika have to do with it? where and when were forbidden for example Slavic swastikas?

[Boris55]

Quote: carstorm 11

where and when were forbidden for example Slavic swastikas?

"Code of the Russian Federation on Administrative Offenses" dated 30.12.2001 N 195-FZ (as amended on 02.08.2019) (as amended and supplemented, entered into force on 01.11.2019)
"" Administrative Code of the Russian Federation Article 20.3. Propaganda or public display of Nazi attributes or symbols, or attributes or symbols of extremist organizations, or other attributes or symbols, the propaganda or public display of which is prohibited by federal laws ...

1. Propaganda or public demonstration of Nazi paraphernalia or symbols, or paraphernalia or symbols similar to Nazi paraphernalia or symbols to the point of confusion, or paraphernalia or symbols of extremist organizations, or other paraphernalia or symbols, the propaganda or public display of which is prohibited by federal laws, -
shall entail the imposition of an administrative fine on citizens in the amount of from one thousand to two thousand rubles with confiscation of the subject of an administrative offense or administrative arrest for up to fifteen days with confiscation of the subject of an administrative offense; for officials - from one thousand to four thousand rubles with confiscation of the subject of an administrative offense; for legal entities - from ten thousand to fifty thousand rubles with confiscation of the subject of an administrative offense.
2. The manufacture or sale for propaganda purposes or the acquisition for sale or propaganda of Nazi paraphernalia or symbols, or paraphernalia or symbols similar to Nazi paraphernalia or symbols to the point of confusion, or paraphernalia or symbols of extremist organizations, or other paraphernalia or symbols, propaganda or public demonstration which are prohibited by federal laws, -
shall entail the imposition of an administrative fine on citizens in the amount of from one thousand to two thousand five hundred rubles with confiscation of the subject of an administrative offense; for officials - from two thousand to five thousand rubles with confiscation of the subject of an administrative offense; for legal entities - from twenty thousand to one hundred thousand rubles with confiscation of the subject of an administrative offense.

The swastika is one of the elements of Nazi symbolism.

[carstorm 11]

you confuse the concepts of a swastika and a swastika symbol a little, but these are trifles) I think the media and not forbidden due to mixing will not be missed. although she even met in Soviet and awards and even money in my opinion. but the flag was definitely not mistaken)

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Boris55

Swastika is an ancient symbol. Why is its media demonstration prohibited in Russia?

a sign of eternity, Indian ... today it is associated with fascism and the mass destruction of people by industrial means. You see, we live in a world of symbols, while the swastika will be banned people will remember about fascism.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Boris55

All a happy holiday !!!

And what then are you talking about multipultina ?!

[Boris55]

Quote: Stroporez

And what then are you talking about multipultina ?!

I drown for Russia.

Because as then in the 17, the general staff of the tsarist army spoke not for the Reds, but for Russia, just as the security forces in the 90's, of which Putin is a representative, spoke in defense of today's Russia. The separation of Chechnya, a year after the signing of the Khasavyurt agreements, gave rise to the collapse of Russia ...

It’s not a secret to anyone that the Yeltsin hated the Sapchakovs and that, according to their ideas, Putin was to be a scapegoat that would ruin Russia, and the family would have nothing to do with it. Broke off.

[Sling cutter]

Boris55 (Boris)I am very sorry, but I CAN’t read your nonsense, like watching a parade under the Vlasov flag.
Let's not mess up the branch

[Boris55]

Quote: Stroporez

Let's not mess up the branch

Let's not, but your belief that illiterate peasants could defeat Kolchak, Denikin and others. Bastard, simply amaze.

ps
Review the film "The Adjutant of His Excellency", "Days of the Turbins" ... and others.

[bober1982]

Quote: Boris55

but your belief that illiterate peasants could beat Kolchak, Denikin, etc. bastard, is simply surprising.

When the Great Patriotic War began, Stalin addressed the people religiously - brothers and sisters, remembered both Suvorov and Kutuzov and others. And why? He did not begin to recall successful campaigns against the interventionists during the Civil War.
The fact is that any revolution destroys and shreds the old life, its orders and traditions. But, the new government will not be able to exist in the future on new revolutionary traditions - it will simply be swept away. She wants power, or does not want, but she needs to rely on the fragments of the previous order, which is why they remembered the Patriotic War of 1812, officer shoulder straps and much more.
We must take all the best that was from the previous government and life.

[Ross xnumx]

Today I went to a pharmacy and three stores and everywhere congratulated cashiers and sellers on the anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution, telling them that this holiday was established in honor of an event taking place, and it is much more honorable than the "established from above" day of supposedly national unity ...
Happy Holidays!

[Alex Justice]

Did they even know what it was about?
Many young Russians do not know who Lenin is.

[impostor]

November XNUMXth Day -
Red day calendar.
Look out your window:
Everything on the street is red!

Flags at the gates
Blazing in flames.
See, the music is coming
Where the trams went.

All people - both young and old -
Celebrates freedom.
And my red ball flies
Straight to the sky

Happy Great October! Hooray!

[Van 16]

Red day of the calendar, the day of November XNUMXth! Happy holiday!

[K-50]

Today is November 7th, the anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution.

All with a holiday sacred to our fathers, grandfathers, mothers and grandmothers !!
No matter how we treat him now, it’s hard to argue that the Revolution gave a huge impetus (if not a kick) to the development of our country.
Happy Holidays, friends !!!

[Prisoner]

Only a very stupid or dishonorable person can call the Great October Socialist Revolution the October Revolution. Happy holiday!

[NKT]

You need to know the history of your country!

See, for example, Comrade Stalin's article, “The October Revolution and the National Question,” October 1918.

Having overthrown the power of the landowners and the bourgeoisie and putting in its place the government of workers and peasants, the October Revolution with one blow resolved the contradictions of the February Revolution.

The term "Great October Socialist Revolution" was officially introduced only in 1927.

[Eug]

Over time, a rethinking of the significance of events often comes. What contemporaries considered a coup, the descendants considered the Great October Socialist Revolution.

[Prisoner]

So I didn’t think of it. However, in relation to the February October one can be considered a coup. The coup is when they drove Yanuk and replaced by potatoes. And here it is the revolution, and the Great!

[Sling cutter]

Quote: NKT

The term "Great October Socialist Revolution" was officially introduced only in 1927

Well, what do you mean by that? What does it change?

[NKT]

Firstly, not you, but you, secondly, this is the answer to the saying, thirdly, if you do not understand what I wanted to say, we pass by.

[Sling cutter]

MEETING OF THE PETROGRAD COUNCIL OF WORKERS AND SOLDIERS DEPUTIES
OCTOBER 25 (NOVEMBER 7) 1917

NEWSPAPER REPORT
Comrades! The workers 'and peasants' revolution, about the necessity of which the Bolsheviks spoke all the time, was accomplished.

Colleague, I absolutely do not want to argue about terminology today. The significance of the Revolution will not change from this.
Threat. I assumed that on this branch Comrades, that's why I said
"you". But if you are on "you", then if you please.

[NKT]

........ Accepted!

[Mcar]

Quote: NKT

You need to know the history of your country!

See, for example, Comrade Stalin's article, “The October Revolution and the National Question,” October 1918.

Having overthrown the power of the landowners and the bourgeoisie and putting in its place the government of workers and peasants, the October Revolution with one blow resolved the contradictions of the February Revolution.

The term "Great October Socialist Revolution" was officially introduced only in 1927.

The revolution of 1917 was called the revolution from the first day. Another question is what exactly Great, exactly October, exactly socialist - these three words in a single combination appeared, yes, later.

But after all, WWII did not immediately begin to call that. Not since September 1, 1939.

[Warrior2015]

Quote: Captive

Only a very stupid or dishonorable person can call the Great October Socialist Revolution the October Revolution. Happy holiday!

You have already been answered below that even your clearly beloved Stalin used this very term.
And in fact - in October 1917, "Navalny of his time" with a group of comrades of professional revolutionaries came and staged a coup with German-American money! Whatever power has been in Russia since February 1917, those who came were even worse! (as proved by the trials over them in the 20s-30s)

[kjhg]

Quote: Captive

Only a very stupid or dishonorable person can call the Great October Socialist Revolution the October Revolution.

Even if by definition and terms at that time it was a revolution, but in terms of the scale of subsequent events, changes, movements, it was a real Great October Socialist Revolution of a historical scale for all of mankind. Literally, the whole planet, one way or another, felt the positive consequences of this event. And who after this can say that this was not a revolution? Only fools, only villains.

[Naz]

Happy November 7th! Hooray comrades!

[Vadim T.]

We can say that those in power, banning Soviet holidays and rewriting our history, are afraid for their future and the future of assets stolen from the state. But this is only part of the truth.
If someone has set a goal to destroy the Starn, he begins by destroying her story. In fact, we are talking not only about the withdrawal from the heritage created by the labor of many generations, but also from the ancestors themselves.
And this is the worst thing - after all, before our eyes, they are trying to make a great mankurt out of a great nation who does not remember kinship.

[Foul skeptic]

"The sea shone, everything was in bright light, and the waves beat menacingly against the shore.
"In their lion's roar, a song about a proud bird thundered, the rocks trembled from their blows, the sky trembled from a formidable song:
"We sing glory to the madness of the brave!
"The madness of the brave is the wisdom of life! Oh, brave Falcon! You bled out in a battle with enemies ... But there will be time - and drops of your blood, hot like sparks, will flare up in the darkness of life and many brave hearts will kindle with an insane thirst for freedom, light !
"Let you die! .. But in the song of the brave and strong in spirit, you will always be a living example, a call to the proud to freedom, to light!
"To the madness of the brave we sing a song! .."

[VeteranVSSSR]

,, fly, al crawl-end is known
everything will fall on the Earth, everything will be dust ... ''

[AU Ivanov.]

True, Gorky himself reacted to the revolution with great skepticism and quickly drove off over a hill.

[archiroll]

Humanity is not yet ripe for a just society. Need evolution into something like the following ...

[Lisiy Prapor]

At the present stage of development there are already enough technologies.

[archiroll]

In addition to "technologies", a change in human consciousness is needed. Greed, vanity, domination and a bunch of charms ...

[Lisiy Prapor]

When "your" financial engines are under complete control, then at least get away from the greed of vanity and authority, the Criminal Code and the Constitution of the RSFSR (with the necessary technical amendments, of course) will help

[Orkraider]

Happy holiday, comrades!
It was a great page in the book of our Motherland. It remains only to regret, and pass on the truth about those days to your children! So that they know and remember the truth!

Happy November 7th!

[Graz]

lost millions, won tens of millions of people
so that's it

[tihonmarine]

The most significant day today is 7 November, the anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution. Congratulations to all on this day, I hope that someday we will return everything back when the working person will sound proudly.

[bober1982]

Quote: tihonmarine

when a working person will sound proud.

Communism is a pseudo-religion, which also has its own "commandments", one of which you voiced, which was literally hammered into our heads by the newly-minted builders of paradise on earth, but pride is a mortal sin, it is the contempt of one's neighbor, and pride begins with vanity ... Any revolutionary is a friend and comrade of Satan.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: bober1982

Communism is a pseudo-religion that has its own "commandments"

Thank you for answering openly, but expressing your thoughts, this is commendable. As they say, "To each his own, who likes the pop, and who likes the priest." I lived and wanted to live in a socialist society, you in a capitalist society, although we already live in it. And there is nothing wrong with that.

[Eug]

The most significant general political event of the 20th century. Personally, I am very sorry that I did not succeed, the idea was correct, but execution out of the blue ...

[Lisiy Prapor]

Quote: Eug

The most significant general political event of the 20th century. Personally, I am very sorry that I did not succeed, the idea was correct, but execution out of the blue ...

What do you consider to be an unsuccessful performance? If the "elite" selection system, then yes, I agree, they sold everything for a small bribe. And about the "economic lag", these tales are a side note to me, at the end of the 80s the USSR was a leader in scientific and technical terms ("Energia-Buran", "Mriya", 2 "VeGi" "Phobos" (unsuccessful truth), BAM was completed finally). What did America say? "Spirit" at 500 million apiece, "Challenger" (the astronauts died from hitting the water, well, there is no rescue system on the shuttles), and the brewing "mortgage bubble", which nevertheless burst, but in the 2000s (not resources USSR postponed this event?)

[Eug]

The personnel selection system ultimately led to artificially created economic problems and the surrender of everything and everything. But I don’t need to convince me on the issue of scientific and technological progress - I’m very unsure of the flight of mattresses to the moon with the mass of unresolved issues that were present many years later on the shuttles ... Plus, I’m from Kharkov, and what happened to its scientific and technical potential, still does not fit into the head ...

[Million]

Happy Holidays!

[Lord of the Sith]

Many forget or do not know that the Bolsheviks overthrew the bourgeoisie, the interim government, and not the Russian Empire. It was a difficult time, but people survived and built a new empire - the USSR.

Hooray comrades, happy holiday!

[Pharao7766]

Happy Holidays to all, friends!
I hope to find in my lifetime the return of that great country that we all lost.

[Nikolaevich I]

Thanks to everyone for whom November 7 is still a holiday! Congratulations ! For me, the day of November 4 passed unnoticed ... if my wife had not "casually" mentioned that "today is a holiday ...", then I would never have remembered that November 4 was a "holiday" ... however, this is not important ... anyway, I immediately forgot about the "holiday" and remained sober that day But today (that is, 7 of November ...) I will definitely drink it! Everything "passed" (!) ... the "bourgeois hangover" will also pass ...

[Revival]

November 4 "holiday" without event) and laughter and sin.
Ask those who celebrate it, and what happened on November 4?
Oops Nothing))

[Isk1984]

Why are you such a narrow-minded person, Russophobic .....? Yes, in every corner of the world under the USSR they knew the Russian language, culture and so on, the influence was enormous which is not observed today ...

[Revival]

Happy holiday, comrades!

[Isk1984]

Why do liberals always forget that, if not for October 17, the Western elite would not have allowed any selective and labor breaks, there was no middle class at all, only the fear of the first state of workers and peasants forced them to move and do something ,
the progressive significance of red october is simply hard to deny, it was a giant step of civilization
really from plow to space flights .....
That's it ... and no Russian Empire, as they say 13 years old, could not and did not want anything ....

[AU Ivanov.]

"Relaxation" for the working class in many Western countries began long before the October Revolution. The same G. Ford introduced the 8-hour working day at his factories in 1914. And Australia introduced it by law in the first half of the 19th century. And there was no fear - there was a trade union movement, thanks to which social benefits appeared.

[Foul skeptic]

Ford solved the problem of labor turnover, and not the problem of wear and tear of these same personnel. It would be better if Abbe was cited as an example, an attempt to give out a private initiative pursuing personal goals for the policy of the official authorities of the states would look more convincing. The first attempt was at the General Conference of the International Labor Organization in Washington on October 29, 1919.
And about Australia, which in the first half of the 19th century, as a colony of Great Britain, legally introduced an 8-hour working day, I would like to hear details.

[Revival]

November 4th is a "holiday" without an event.
Nothing significant happened on November 4.
Many people, as usual, announced to them that it was something like November 4 and the whole holiday began))

[Amper]

Quote: Chit

Built - for health. Who forbids? I ask why it is not on the political map of the world today? Because what was built turned out to be unviable? Not competitive? Or will we again nod to a bunch of traitors?
The Russian Empire was destroyed by their agitation and the actions of the Bolsheviks. Those same Bolsheviks whose coming to power you celebrate today. According to the logic of our dialogue, the Bolsheviks are the same bunch of traitors who ruined the state. The example is unsuccessful.
You don’t need to get personal, I don’t do that. On the contrary, it is extremely polite and correct.
And the last one. Those. RI is worthless as a country with a flawed ideology, which is why it has disappeared. But the USSR, on the contrary, lives today. The ideology of the USSR helped him survive and now he is flourishing. Did I understand you correctly?

V.I., Lenin is the brilliant leader of the revolution, the Bolsheviks are revolutionaries. 1917 is a revolution that was supported by a huge number of people (not the coup of 90xx). The Russian Empire collapsed under the weight of internal problems (see the revolutionary situation) and the incompetent rule of Mickey 2 and his Co.
The fact that the People have withdrawn / have been removed from government, the misfortune of the People and the successors / grave diggers of the ideas of a nation-wide state.
As history shows, the most arrogant, organized, greedy for money and power, traitorous personalities are rushing to the helm, the names of today are well known to everyone. To command and swagger is the meaning of their life.
Our people, for the most part, want to live quietly, without straining, away from the hustle and bustle of politics, in their personal country, and the state, the government, must love and cherish it without fail !? It wasn’t there ... The revolution must be defended, comrades! To each!!!
Overslept. And here the 5 column quickly fussed, so you shook off the ashes of the totalitarian socialist state, all its achievements and failures. And they plunged into capitalism to their ears, all 90% of the silent population. Capitalism is a dead end branch of a society where money rules and nothing more.
The world of consumers, which is pumped up with goods that are necessary and not necessary, crushing labor, intellectual, material, natural resources for one purpose - profit. His slogan is to consume (if you can)! You can’t ...: Your problems!
There is no alternative to the social state! Capitalism does not accept it in its essence! Therefore, there can be no fraternity between the exploiter and the exploited.
Yes, capitalism in Russia won, but this is not the end of the ideas of socialism! Socialism is the future! Unless this world burns in the furnace of nuclear conflict.

[AU Ivanov.]

Do not confuse socialism as a state socio-economic system and a social state that is built in many capitalist countries.

[Isk1984]

Built just under the influence of the existence of the USSR, otherwise they would have been swept away from the historical board ...

[Duck]

I don’t understand why the majority here celebrate and congratulate each other on November 7. At the same time, these same commentators are ready to spray drool over the monitor when ukrofashi-killers celebrate their Maidan, although this was also a revolutionary coup that led to the outbreak of civil war. It’s just that there are dates that you need to celebrate and congratulate everyone on their onset, but there are dates that you can’t forget, hold memorable events, but you can’t consider them a holiday and celebrate with fun and smiles.

[Amper]

Quote: AU Ivanov.

Do not confuse socialism as a state socio-economic system and a social state that is built in many capitalist countries.

I agree. Everywhere replace social (petty-bourgeois term) with socialist! Labor in the interests of the state and of everyone is socialism. The social - slobbering, excuse, glossing over the essence of capitalism - the exploitation of man by man in the interests of the exploiter.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Amper

The social - slobbering, excuse, glossing over the essence of capitalism - the exploitation of man by man in the interests of the exploiter.

Just as bad moonshine is tinted with raspberry syrup, so imperialism is tinted with the same syrup called "social." But that one and that other are seemingly beautiful, but the taste and smell are solid rubbish.

[Amper]

Quote: And

I don’t understand why the majority here celebrate and congratulate each other on November 7. At the same time, these same commentators are ready to spray drool over the monitor when ukrofashi-killers celebrate their Maidan, although this was also a revolutionary coup that led to the outbreak of civil war. It’s just that there are dates that you need to celebrate and congratulate everyone on their onset, but there are dates that you can’t forget, hold memorable events, but you can’t consider them a holiday and celebrate with fun and smiles.

Yes, not to smile now. The people are completely at a loss, nor any prospects for the improvement of being, every day brings new burdens from the bourgeoisie. The clouds are gathering, is it too early to be a thunderstorm, is it too late.

[Duck]

Unfortunately, I completely agree with you. It can be seen that the patience of the people with each new reform is shrinking like a spring, and at such a rate the compression limit is just around the corner. Therefore, it is necessary not to conceal such events in the history of the Motherland, but to talk about them and remember. So that every citizen, from simple robots to the supreme commander in chief, knows and remembers the causes and consequences of the revolution in full. But once again I repeat, to celebrate the day of the revolutionary coup d'etat as a holiday - that's dismissal, not for me. hi

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Vladimir_6

But the All-Russian chaos did not arise on its own. He was carefully prepared and financed from the outside. During the revolution and civil war, millions of Russian citizens died.

Of course, the Crimean War of 1854, the Great French Revolution, the Japanese Revolution of 1905 and the First and Second World Wars, which for us ended in Gorbachev's "catastrophe", did not grow up in a dewy place. If Marx and Engels wrote the "Manifesto of the Communist Party" as a guide for the action of these parties, which began to operate, then world imperialism also did not sit idly by, and it still has more money and opportunities. And we lost the first round.

[Amper]

Quote: AU Ivanov.

Do not confuse socialism as a state socio-economic system and a social state that is built in many capitalist countries.

I agree. Everywhere replace social (petty-bourgeois term) with socialist! Labor in the interests of the state and of everyone is socialism. The social - slobbering, excuse, glossing over the essence of capitalism - the exploitation of man by man in the interests of the exploiter.

[Fitter]

Congratulations on the Great October Socialist Revolution Day from Belarus!
We are celebrating today!

[Amper]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Vladimir_6

But the All-Russian chaos did not arise on its own. He was carefully prepared and financed from the outside. During the revolution and civil war, millions of Russian citizens died.

Of course, the Crimean War of 1854, the Great French Revolution, the Japanese Revolution of 1905 and the First and Second World Wars, which for us ended in Gorbachev's "catastrophe", did not grow up in a dewy place. If Marx and Engels wrote the "Manifesto of the Communist Party" as a guide for the action of these parties, which began to operate, then world imperialism also did not sit idly by, and it still has more money and opportunities. And we lost the first round.

Of course, not a single revolution arises from scratch, for this we need reasons, ideas, motivating forces, leaders. See the term revolutionary situation. Money is far from the main lever in the revolution, but material support should be conditional.

[Fitter]

Quote: lexus

On a just cause, he raised the peoples

Stalin raised us loyalty to the people

[Fitter]

Quote: Alexander Suvorov

RUSS (Maxim)
Quince

Of course! And not only a padded jacket, but also a scoop! AND Proud of it!

AND I !

[georggy]

there is one fact that is indisputable: how many people from (without any pathos) the common people the year 1917 gave a real start in life, how many talented people from families not endowed with power and finances, the revolution eventually made outstanding scientists, designers, doctors, military leaders!

[Amper]

Quote: Rurikovich

Quote: Per se.

The new "elite" removed from the holidays on November 7, and this is a great date in our history. The same French are not ashamed of their revolution, it remains a national holiday in France

We, in Bulbyandii, have a state holiday today! History is history, and we must perceive it as it was (not fictitious, of course, but real).
And the glass today is not a sin to raise for what was Because we have nothing to be ashamed of And whatever the different "Egorovs" sang about sitting on two chairs WE REMEMBER OUR STORY

Health and prosperity to you, brothers! We would like your Old Man!!!!!!!! Everything would be different.

[Amper]

Each era leaves its mark on the tablets of history. The Putin era is decay, decay, darkness in the Russian state. What would her ancestors say about her? White, red, in zipuns, chain mail...

[TANKISTONE]

TODAY IS THE 102nd ANNIVERSARY OF THE GREAT OCTOBER SOCIALIST REVOLUTION!

The date that some “fighters” against the distortion of Our History call the anniversary of the parade on Red Square in Moscow in 1941, bashfully keeping silent about what that parade was dedicated to. And it was dedicated to the 24th anniversary of the GREAT OCTOBER SOCIALIST REVOLUTION! Remember Our History, comrades!

[TANKISTONE]

The article brought back the feeling of the holiday! I am pleasantly surprised by the number of comrades on the VO website! HAPPY HOLIDAY TO US!

[midshipman]

On my wife’s side, she had an uncle I.A. Yagunov. Member of the Party since 1912. He arrived from Kronstadt with a detachment of sailors on the cruiser Aurora and commanded this detachment during the storming of the Winter Palace. Then there was the Civil War, he commanded artillery at Blucher during the defeat of Kolchak. But in 1937 he was shot as an enemy of the people. Rehabilitated in 1954.
I read his personal file at the City Military Commissariat in 1971.

[place]

It’s good that you, so to speak, said “A”. But then explain further, since you read the personal file. For there was no such article as “enemy of the people” in the USSR Criminal Code.
If he was accused, then (if it’s not a secret) - under what article?
The list of execution charges included:
1. counter-revolutionary activities, crimes against the order of government (mass riots, banditry, evasion of military service, counterfeiting),
2. malfeasance (bribes, embezzlement of valuables, imposition of an unfair verdict, coercion to testify during interrogation through the use of illegal measures),
3. violation of the rules on the separation of church and state (that is, for the propaganda by clergy of ideas of overthrowing or resistance to the power of workers and peasants), 4. mismanagement,
5. theft of state property,
6. military crimes,
7. facilitating the crossing of the state border without appropriate permission.

[nikvic46]

Today I watched the Parade in Moscow, dedicated to the parade in 1941. I liked it. By today’s standards, it’s even very good. This Parade should have been shown in every school. A teacher suggested this idea to me. Otherwise, our grandchildren and the Revolution will know as an ordinary historical date . Happy Holidays!

[Robert]

Quote: Demon_is_ada

How to make someone believe? Tell the truth and lie a little to distort the meaning...

Yes, the truth hurts my eyes:

“We have no money!” Lenin never tired of repeating both from the stands and in private conversations with Alexei Maximovich Gorky and American businessmen. There is no money, and food riots are mercilessly suppressed by mass executions. In June 1921, hungry railway workers in Yekaterinoslav went on strike. A crowd of proletarian workers was shot with machine gun fire. 240 people were captured on the spot. Of these, 53 were immediately shot on the banks of the Dnieper and thrown into the water. The rest were demanded for reprisal by the All-Ukrainian Cheka in Kharkov, where the capital of Ukraine was then located. Special units burst into starving villages, shooting everyone and then drawing up documents that there was a “Socialist-Revolutionary-Menshevik conspiracy” in the village. Millions of homeless and hungry children are roaming the country in droves, having lost their parents during the Bolshevik meat grinder.

And at the elevators of Petrograd, Odessa and Nikolaev, ships of foreign companies are loaded with grain, taking grain abroad in exchange for gold. Lenin is testing the waters on foreign exchanges about the possibility of selling just one Russian forest for a billion gold rubles. American “concessionaires” are clarifying with the leader the details of the purchase of Russian mineral resources. Even small details are being clarified: how much should Russian workers be paid in mines, mines and mines? The Americans offer to pay one and a half dollars a day. Lenin is horrified. In no case! Not a cent! We'll pay for it ourselves! Gentlemen, don't worry.

Don't believe it!

[Stas Snezhin]

Day November 7th - Red calendar day!
And it will always be so.

[Rimlianin]

What is the October Revolution? The seizure of power by the Bolshevik council, elected by the Petrograd workers from the provisional government, to which the powers of the State Duma, elected by the entire country, were delegated. Well, that's one problem. The biggest crime of the Bolsheviks, which they cannot wash away from themselves, is the dispersal of the Constituent Assembly. The Bolsheviks, led by Lenin, usurped power by force, disregarding the expression of the people's will. And it was this event that served as the forerunner of the Civil War, which killed millions.

[DNS-a42]

The Bolsheviks did not usurp bourgeois power; they did not resist them. The Bolsheviks broke it over the knee and created their own proletarian power.

[Rimlianin]

Well, yes. And who was the proletarian in this power? A deputy of the Supreme Council, a distinguished turner, Uncle Vasya, who voted for everything, no matter what they slipped him in and didn’t understand anything about what he was voting for? Nothing like this. In October 1917, the Bolshevik Party seized power by force. Through an armed coup d'état. This government did not represent any people. All this advice has always been fiction. The Central Committee and the party committees ruled.

[place]

How are you, dear? Otherwise I had doubts...... Moreover, you are called Rimlianin. But I’m Russian.
Before 1917, there could not be any elections “by the whole country.” For the Empire was a class state. First, look on the Internet what this means...... The last convocation of the State Duma of the Republic of Ingushetia was dissolved in 1917 even 2 times - first by the decree of Nicholas II, and then by the Provisional Government of Kerensky. There was no “Bolshevik council” whatsoever. In June 2, the 1917st All-Russian Congress of Soviets, the highest legislative body in Russia, was convened. Second Congress of Soviets October 1, 25 - replaced the cabinet of ministers. The Kerensky government is like the Lenin government.
SO IF YOU HAVE PROBLEMS WITH PERCEPTION, YOU SHOULD NOT GO TO THE FORUM, BUT TO A DOCTOR.
Good luck!

[Rimlianin]

What kind of manner is this, almost off-putting, to become personal? My nickname and my health are my business and my personal space. With such comments you do not humiliate me, in the eyes of smart people you show your limited essence. But based on the essence of your answer, I can argue that power was seized by the Bolshevik party, which has a majority in the XNUMXnd Congress. And this congress represented less than half of the councils of the entire country. And elections to these councils were held on a class basis; the “exploiting” classes were not allowed to participate. So one can imagine what part of the people this congress represented and what legitimacy it had. Yes, none.

[place]

Quote: Rimlianin

So one can imagine what part of the people this congress represented and what legitimacy it had. Yes, none.

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But what about the State Duma of the Russian Empire, about which you wrote yesterday as being “elected by the whole country”? Well, you’re changing your shoes right on the spot, good Mr.! Double standard.
And what kind of manner is this, a little criticism - they immediately begin to rig it?
However, if you absolutely need to allow for “exploiting classes,” then don’t remember what proportion of the population they usually represent? No...
The Soviets were councils of workers', peasants' and soldiers' deputies. And what part of the people did they represent in a country that, less than a year before, was a class monarchy state?
However, I have already achieved my goal. You looked at something on the Internet and I hope you won’t flog such nonsense as yesterday.

BY THE WAY, here’s your homework: HOW SHOULD A “GOOD AND CORRECT PARTY” ACT IN SUCH A HISTORICAL SITUATION?
Maybe form your own army on territory temporarily occupied by the Germans, as Denikin did in 1918 or Krasnov in 1918 and 1942?
For educational purposes: Since September 1943, White Guard Krasnov has been the head of the Main Directorate of Cossack Troops of the Imperial Ministry for the Eastern Occupied Territories of Germany. Krasnov was an employee of the newspaper “For the Motherland”. Aren't you from there?
The Bolsheviks knew how to talk to such figures, so I don’t blame them.
And what I wrote is a microscopic fraction of what you deserve.

[tank64rus]

Happy Holidays! A guest from France, arriving at the award ceremony on November 4, said that the October Revolution is inextricably linked with the French Revolution and these are two great events in the history of mankind. The correspondent felt uneasy. You seem to be a revolutionary, he asked the Frenchman, who answered in the affirmative. In relation to October, one can judge the attitude towards ordinary people.

[Rimlianin]

Quote: ort

But what about the State Duma of the Russian Empire, about which you wrote yesterday as being “elected by the whole country”? Well, you’re changing your shoes right on the spot, good Mr.! Double standard.
And what kind of manner is this, a little criticism - they immediately begin to rig it?

Yes, not everyone voted in the State Duma elections in the Republic of Ingushetia; women, students, people under 25 years of age, and military personnel did not vote. But they voted:
according to the landowner curia - owners of from 100 to 650 acres of land, depending on the area, with real estate worth at least 15 thousand rubles.
for the city curia - owners of city real estate and commercial and industrial establishments, tenants or employees.
according to the peasant curia - those who own a home;
according to the workers' curia - workers in enterprises with at least 50 male workers.
Of course, these are not all residents of the country. But firstly, almost all classes were represented in the Duma. Secondly, adults, responsible people who had their own business, a peasant farm, that is, people who had something to lose, were allowed to vote. Such people rarely vote for loudmouths and radicals. Therefore, the representation of the Bolsheviks in those compositions of the Duma where they ran was insignificant.

In the elections to the councils of workers' and soldiers' deputies, which delegated their representatives to the Second Congress of Soviets, which overthrew the Provisional Government, only workers and soldiers voted. Peasants, who made up 70% of the country's population, did not vote at all. Servants, clergy, merchants, officers and everyone else did not vote. And even of those councils that were formed from such a tiny part of society (only workers and soldiers), less than a third of all existing councils were sent to the Second Congress (402 Councils out of 1429 Soviets in Russia). Less than a third!!! How much is this from all citizens of the Russian Republic? 2%, 3%, or even 7%? Yes, this is just a congress of impostors, nothing more. At the very least, he had neither moral nor legal right to speak and act on behalf of the people.

[Rimlianin]

Quote: ort

HOW SHOULD A “GOOD AND CORRECT PARTY” ACT IN THIS HISTORICAL SITUATION?
Maybe form your own army on territory temporarily occupied by the Germans, as Denikin did in 1918 or Krasnov in 1918 and 1942?

Are you deliberately leading the discussion astray? What does 18 have to do with Denikin, if there is a discussion of the October Revolution of 1917? In October 17, the Russian army was still far from defeat, especially against the backdrop of an exhausted Germany due to its economic blockade and depletion of reserves. And if it were not for populist anti-war propaganda (due to which the Bolsheviks came to power), and the disintegration of the army by agitators from the RSDLP and the destructive March decrees of the Petrograd Soviet, perhaps already in the fall of 1917 on the Eastern Front the Germans would have suffered a final seam.

[Pavel57]

Interesting discussion - shows the whole range of opinions. It’s good that opinions aren’t put up against the wall yet.

[ccsr]

Quote: Pavel57

Interesting discussion - shows the whole range of opinions. It’s good that opinions aren’t put up against the wall yet.

This is how the people became wiser during the years of Soviet power, and now it is not so easy to carry it out, because they understand what the Bolsheviks fought for, and what the people lost because of their naive faith in a bright capitalist future.

[Pavel57]

People lost at every historical turn. Some are lives, some are opportunities. Someone bought it.