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Fell without working: Russia received an Israeli missile defense from David's Sling

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The Russian military was able to get an advanced ground-to-air missile from the latest Israeli David Sling missile system to study. According to media reports, one of the missiles fell on Syrian territory without having worked and received almost no damage.


Fell without working: Russia received an Israeli missile defense from David's Sling


According to The Jerusalem Post, last July 23 the Israeli Sling of David missile defense system launched two missiles in response to the launch of two Soviet Tochka missiles from Syrian territory. This was the first combat use of the system.

As the IDF later said, the Israeli system recorded the launches of Syrian missiles, but could not clearly ensure the capture of the target. As a result, one interceptor missile fell on Syrian territory, the other, having lost its “target,” self-destructed. The forces of the government army were sent to the site of the fall of the first rocket, and they found the rocket with virtually no damage - with small dents from an impact on the ground. The missile was transferred to a Russian military base, and then went to Russia for further study.

An investigation conducted by order of the Israeli Air Force commander found that the cause of the failure to intercept the Syrian missiles was the error in the combat calculation of the missile defense system, coupled with a number of technical factors, after studying which some changes were made to the system.

David's Sling (Magic Wand) is part of Israel’s multi-level missile defense system. It is designed to intercept medium-range ballistic targets, as well as cruise missiles and NUR in the range from 70 to 300 km.

The first level of layered missile defense is the Iron Dome system. The second line of defense is provided by “David Sling”, the third level is “Hetz-2” (“Arrow”) and modernized versions of the American “Patriot”. The latest Hets-3 system serves to destroy intercontinental ballistic warheads in airless space.

The development of “Sling of David” began in the 2007 year. The first division of the ABM system took up combat duty in the 2016 year, the first operational use took place on July 23 of the 2018 year, when one of the missiles was lost.
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  1. -ш-
    -ш- 6 November 2019 18: 22
    +34
    this is a puncture, oh, it will begin now ...
    1. 210ox
      210ox 6 November 2019 18: 25
      +49
      Good gift. In principle, specialists in air defense-pro come from the USSR
      1. parkello
        parkello 6 November 2019 18: 29
        +38
        agreed, the gift is not just good. but luxurious ... yes
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 6 November 2019 18: 42
          +13
          Quote: parkello
          agreed, the gift is not just good. but luxurious ...

          Even it seems to me that this is nonsense. There was no such information that the "Points" were launched in Moscow, and if this had happened in reality, then the stench would have stood up to heaven.
          1. Orkraider
            Orkraider 6 November 2019 18: 52
            +12
            Quote: Gray Brother
            Quote: parkello
            agreed, the gift is not just good. but luxurious ...

            Even it seems to me that this is nonsense. There was no such information that the "Points" were launched in Moscow, and if this had happened in reality, then the stench would have stood up to heaven.

            Well, at least, the article in JP is actually posted, the publication itself is not involved in the publication of "yellow" news. But I doubt your doubt about the lack of news about OTRK launches - I share it. Perhaps due to an unsuccessful interception, they decided to hush up? Do you think this is real?


            1. Gray brother
              Gray brother 6 November 2019 19: 00
              0
              Quote: Orkraider
              , due to an unsuccessful interception, decided to hush up? Do you think this is real?

              I do not think.
              The wreckage is a powerful infopowel - they could not get lost, and an unsuccessful interception is the defeat of the target.
              1. garri-lin
                garri-lin 6 November 2019 19: 29
                +1
                Unsuccessful interception is a reason to try to intercept a second time. Perhaps the "Points" were intercepted.
                1. Gray brother
                  Gray brother 6 November 2019 20: 30
                  +2
                  Quote: garri-lin
                  Perhaps the "Points" were intercepted.

                  Where are the spare parts for them then? This is a hefty "log".
                  1. garri-lin
                    garri-lin 7 November 2019 01: 01
                    +4
                    I think the Jews are not worried about missed missiles on purpose. They shot at them, they recaptured. Milking that region is quite routine. That self-liquidator failed, this is a problem. Secrets of the head may well leak.
                    1. Zaurbek
                      Zaurbek 7 November 2019 08: 14
                      +6
                      From a Point in Israel? There would then be bombed for two days ....
              2. poquello
                poquello 6 November 2019 19: 50
                +16
                Quote: Gray Brother
                Quote: Orkraider
                , due to an unsuccessful interception, decided to hush up? Do you think this is real?

                I do not think.
                The wreckage is a powerful infopowel - they could not get lost, and an unsuccessful interception is the defeat of the target.

                and who said that the points flew to the Jews?
                1. Gray brother
                  Gray brother 6 November 2019 20: 19
                  +2
                  Quote: poquello
                  and who said that the points flew to the Jews?

                  And where did you get the idea that the Jews will spend money on missiles that fly not to them?
                  In addition, "Tochka" flies only 70 km, but in two minutes, figs they will knock it down except on a head-on course.
                  1. poquello
                    poquello 6 November 2019 20: 39
                    +4
                    Quote: Gray Brother
                    Quote: poquello
                    and who said that the points flew to the Jews?

                    And where did you get the idea that the Jews will spend money on missiles that fly not to them?

                    hmm, they’re doing it much more, everything flies from them, and they’re not greedy
                    Quote: Gray Brother
                    In addition, "Tochka" flies only 70 km, but in two minutes, figs they will knock it down except on a head-on course.

                    Duc imagined, but would hit - what advertising
                  2. brr1
                    brr1 6 November 2019 21: 32
                    +6
                    Quote: Gray Brother
                    Quote: poquello
                    and who said that the points flew to the Jews?

                    And where did you get the idea that the Jews will spend money on missiles that fly not to them?
                    In addition, "Tochka" flies only 70 km, but in two minutes, figs they will knock it down except on a head-on course.

                    Maybe because the distance is small and it’s better to bring down right away than to wait where it will fly. And by the way, therefore, it is possible that they flew to another target and there was a collision with a sling
                  3. The comment was deleted.
            2. Gray brother
              Gray brother 6 November 2019 19: 10
              -1
              Quote: Orkraider
              , the publication itself does not publish yellow news.

              I read the history of this trash on Wiki - there really is nowhere to put samples.
              1. Orkraider
                Orkraider 6 November 2019 19: 15
                +8
                Quote: Gray Brother
                Quote: Orkraider
                , the publication itself does not publish yellow news.

                I read the history of this trash on Wiki - there really is nowhere to put samples.

                It is possible that you are right, I can not objectively evaluate this resource. Although it seemed to me that the publication was serious enough, and, to be honest, my opinion is that this is not a very simple matter, and this is not a duck. Let's look at the further reaction of the parties, and everything will become clear
                hi
              2. The leader of the Redskins
                The leader of the Redskins 6 November 2019 19: 53
                -1
                I agree with you. Also alarming is the message that the rocket remained almost intact, with several small dents .... It was dropped from the truck, or did it fall from a height of several hundred to God knows what height?
                1. Lexus
                  Lexus 6 November 2019 21: 17
                  0
                  I'm surprised too. The fuel was depleted - an empty pipe and tail remained at the back, and in front of the GOS, kinetic warhead, control equipment. The aerodynamic quality at the front is clearly higher. DART!!! How could she get off with only "dents"?
                  1. Leopold
                    Leopold 6 November 2019 22: 16
                    +5
                    Why the self-destruction system did not work - that’s where the dog rummaged. hi
                  2. Svetlana
                    Svetlana 7 November 2019 00: 55
                    +6
                    Quote: lexus
                    I'm surprised too. The fuel was depleted - an empty pipe and tail remained at the back, and in front of the GOS, kinetic warhead, control equipment. The aerodynamic quality at the front is clearly higher. DART!!! How could she get off with only "dents"?

                    The dart, as if in a target, penetrated sand. Everything is whole. drinks
            3. Lexus
              Lexus 6 November 2019 19: 25
              -33
              The screenshot you attached just says that "according to the Russian media." Do many publications of the Russian media deserve unconditional trust? And yet, how many reports have there been that the Javelin has been mined? 100500! And there was a domestic third-generation ATGM system? No! Why? Because "No money ... But you hold on there!" However, they stopped installing the "Curtain", which does not have an analogue off. finally realized that it is absolutely useless against modern ATGMs.
              1. Professor
                Professor 6 November 2019 20: 23
                -29
                Quote: lexus
                The screenshot you attached just says that "according to the Russian media." Do many publications of the Russian media deserve unconditional trust? And yet, how many reports have already been that the Javelin was mined? 100500! Has a domestic third-generation ATGM system appeared? No! Why? Because "No money ... But you hold on there!" However, they stopped installing the "Curtain", which does not have an analogue off. finally realized that she was against modern ATGMs absolutely useless.

                On the contrary. It remarkably highlights the tank for GOS Javelina or Spike.
                1. SOF
                  SOF 7 November 2019 06: 47
                  +8
                  Quote: Professor
                  On the contrary. It remarkably highlights the tank for GOS Javelina or Spike.

                  .... let me ask - and where is this nonsense can I read? ....
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 7 November 2019 08: 19
                    -12
                    Quote: SOF
                    Quote: Professor
                    On the contrary. It remarkably highlights the tank for GOS Javelina or Spike.

                    .... let me ask - and where is this nonsense can I read? ....

                    Start with the ABC.
                    1. SOF
                      SOF 7 November 2019 08: 36
                      +9
                      Quote: Professor
                      Start with the ABCs

                      .... took the ABC in hand ..... on which page ....? ..... though .... I am tormented by vague doubts that you read Murzilka ......
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 7 November 2019 08: 51
                        -12
                        Quote: SOF
                        Quote: Professor
                        Start with the ABCs

                        .... took the ABC in hand ..... on which page ....? ..... though .... I am tormented by vague doubts that you read Murzilka ......

                        The main thing is that you move further Murzilki.
                      2. SOF
                        SOF 7 November 2019 09: 32
                        +4
                        Quote: Professor
                        The main thing is that you move further Murzilki.

                        ... you are not consistent - according to your tip, I am sitting with the ABC in my hands, but due to the fact that it does not contain what you described bosh, I conclude that Murzilka is still your reading ...
                      3. Professor
                        Professor 7 November 2019 10: 35
                        -7
                        Quote: SOF
                        Quote: Professor
                        The main thing is that you move further Murzilki.

                        ... you are not consistent - according to your tip, I am sitting with the ABC in my hands, but due to the fact that it does not contain what you described bosh, I conclude that Murzilka is still your reading ...

                        So it is and therefore I advise you not to contact me again.
                      4. SOF
                        SOF 7 November 2019 11: 57
                        +3
                        Quote: Professor
                        So it is and therefore I advise you not to contact me again

                        ... understandable .... I would also like to add a certain phrase from the standard proof of the geometric theorem, but, I believe, this is not required .....
                        hi
                      5. Igorpl
                        Igorpl 7 November 2019 12: 27
                        +3
                        Butt yourself, do not touch Murzilka.
            4. Professor
              Professor 6 November 2019 19: 56
              -19
              Quote: Orkraider
              Quote: Gray Brother
              Quote: parkello
              agreed, the gift is not just good. but luxurious ...

              Even it seems to me that this is nonsense. There was no such information that the "Points" were launched in Moscow, and if this had happened in reality, then the stench would have stood up to heaven.

              Well, at least, the article in JP is actually posted, the publication itself is not involved in the publication of "yellow" news. But I doubt your doubt about the lack of news about OTRK launches - I share it. Perhaps due to an unsuccessful interception, they decided to hush up? Do you think this is real?



              And where to teach you to read? fool It also says: "according to Russian media sources" which means "according to Russian news sources." The circle is complete. The Jerusalem post refers to Russian media, VO refers to G.P.
              No photo of the rocket, AOI press service is silent.
              1. Orkraider
                Orkraider 6 November 2019 20: 50
                +21
                And where did you [i] learn to read? It also says: "according to Russian media sources" which means "according to Russian news sources." The circle is complete. The Jerusalem post refers to Russian media, VO refers to G.P.


                I was taught not only to read, but also to think. thank YOU for such an acute reaction, it’s the price that’s it ..

                Essentially: if a good reporter writes, he must indicate where he got his information from (although, for example, in the USA, a reporter has the right not to disclose his source, though with the caveat that they do not affect national security, I don’t remember the exact wording), then Either a serious publication will not publish the article, fearing a lawsuit or will make a footnote indicating that this is a private opinion, highly likely in general. Therefore, the writing fraternity has some tricks, one of them referring to other mass media and mass media of other countries .. you will not find fault. You gave the hot news first, if it is confirmed, honor and glory to you. Not confirmed? So these are all of them, the yellow media are adjacent, yeah ...

                And if you seriously believe that
                AOI press service is silent
                recognizes and reports that yes, the information is true, they shot after them - they didn’t calculate and missed, and the Russian Defense Ministry joyfully starts to nod, and say, yes, it’s our business, here it is, honestly taken, here it is
                Rocket photo
                ...
                then .. return your fool
                1. Professor
                  Professor 7 November 2019 07: 42
                  -3
                  Quote: Orkraider
                  I was taught not only to read, but also to think. Thank you for such an acute reaction, it’s the price for that ..

                  Think? You are fantasizing here. The press service is silent. There are no photographs, and "the missile was found practically without damage - with small dents from hitting the ground" does not hold water. Such a rocket, which fell from a height of ten kilometers on rocky soil, "was practically not damaged"?


              2. Paranoid50
                Paranoid50 7 November 2019 00: 52
                +10
                Quote: Professor
                No photo of the rocket

                Taki again ?! am No, well, they’re definitely mocking me - not only that the photos were not posted, but also
                no explanation was given. Hutspa-aaaa ... laughing
                1. PROXOR
                  PROXOR 7 November 2019 09: 40
                  +5
                  The kasher ones are indignant. Their illustrious iron dome is screwed a second time ....
              3. sentaniel
                sentaniel 7 November 2019 09: 58
                0
                There is a photo of the rocket)) Only it seems like the news of 2018 is the same. Why such a stir?
              4. Okolotochny
                Okolotochny 8 November 2019 17: 36
                +1
                AOI press service is silent.

                And when she was not silent ???
          2. Advisor to the Council of Advisers
            Advisor to the Council of Advisers 6 November 2019 19: 56
            +4
            “Immediately after Israel launched two interceptor missiles on the Syrian light drones, one of them hit the target, while the other crashed, and, having lost the target, crashed to the ground. The Syrian military attached great importance to this and immediately sent troops to the scene to establish the whereabouts of the rocket. After confirming that the missile would not detonate, it was quickly taken out of the crash site. The Syrians immediately delivered the rocket to the Russian base of Khmeimim, after which the latter was sent to Moscow to study "
            news on the Sina website.

            ps Posted a post by 13:31. But moderation did not miss.
            1. dauria
              dauria 6 November 2019 20: 04
              +5
              the latter was sent to Moscow


              Usually Jews from Moscow to Israel .... And here you have ... a little gold with you, "blow yourself up" yourself. And to Moscow, to the historical homeland of one fourth of the population of Israel. I missed, poor, "Stolichnaya" under the mushrooms. wink
            2. Gray brother
              Gray brother 6 November 2019 20: 33
              +3
              Quote: Advisor to the Council of Advisors
              news on the Sina website.

              That sounds like the truth.
          3. boss
            boss 6 November 2019 20: 53
            +1
            it’s really strange that Syria still has points.
            just dots and dots, are these different modifications of tactical ballistic missile systems?
            if I am not mistaken, the points u could carry a special charge along a ballistic trajectory.
            was a witness, being somewhere 4 km from the point of impact of the point y, sorry for the pun.
            Dill destroyed the state-owned plant.
            the earth is normal.
            would be in Syria before - against the fortified areas of the barmaley would use.
            and here is a whole series of coincidences.
            such a set.
            Yes, the work of cool reb smacks of.
            we draw conclusions, well, and congratulations.
            to the day of the Chekist, are we getting ready?
            1. Kenxnumx
              Kenxnumx 6 November 2019 22: 12
              -4
              None of the two Points reached Israel. Most likely due to the fact that the launch parameters were incorrectly defined and the capture failed
              1. boss
                boss 6 November 2019 23: 33
                0
                but Mauger didn’t just have to, Schaub flew?
                do not!
                1. Kenxnumx
                  Kenxnumx 7 November 2019 00: 06
                  -1
                  Maybe they didn’t aim for Israel
          4. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 6 November 2019 21: 25
            +7
            Quote: Gray Brother
            Quote: parkello
            agreed, the gift is not just good. but luxurious ...

            Even it seems to me that this is nonsense. There was no such information that in Moscow "Points" were launched, and if this happened in reality, then the stench would stand up to heaven.

            It was. Once I was here with one opponent on this subject wrestled. Not convinced. But it turns out that reality is much more interesting. Along the way, he didn’t know then that one of the missiles became the object of research of our specialists.
            1. Gray brother
              Gray brother 6 November 2019 22: 35
              -2
              Quote: Nyrobsky
              It was.

              It may have been in the Israeli yellow press.
              1. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky 6 November 2019 23: 03
                +6
                Quote: Gray Brother
                Quote: Nyrobsky
                It was.

                It may have been in the Israeli yellow press.

                Yes, not in Israel. There is enough open access, at least here
                https://ria.ru/20180724/1525211855.html
                1. Gray brother
                  Gray brother 7 November 2019 00: 57
                  -2
                  Quote: Nyrobsky
                  Yes, not in Israel. There is enough open access, at least here
                  https://ria.ru/20180724/1525211855.html

                  They are directly referring to the Israeli television there.
          5. Vlad.by
            Vlad.by 6 November 2019 21: 59
            0
            Maybe they started the desu.
            "And the Missile is mishandled ..."
            And the articles are information support.
          6. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 7 November 2019 01: 33
            +2
            Quote: Gray Brother
            Even it seems to me that this is nonsense

            An interesting dudective turns out! Well, the "anti-missile" dropped ... It took some time until it was discovered and told "where to go" ... the "government troops" gathered and arrived ... made sure that the missile would not explode ... loaded and left. How long could it take? And all this time the Jews "endured" and did not "rock the boat" anywhere, instead of "quick" rushing in helicopters, or some bombing, artillery shelling?
            Is it really so blatant? what request
            1. Bacha
              Bacha 8 November 2019 07: 16
              0
              How long could it take? And all this time the Jews "endured" and did not "rock the boat" anywhere, instead of "quick" rushing in helicopters, or some bombing, artillery shelling?
              There is such an aircraft F117. One of them was shot down in Yugoslavia. Where are the remains stored know? Whole USA! And not a single helicopter, no bombing, no artillery shelling. But technology is the most secret!
              1. Nikolaevich I
                Nikolaevich I 8 November 2019 07: 53
                +1
                Quote: Bacha
                There is such an aircraft F117. One of them was shot down in Yugoslavia. Where are the remains stored know? Whole USA! And not a single helicopter, no bombing, no artillery shelling. But technology is the most secret!

                Duc ... where Yugoslavia and the United States; where is Syria and Israel ?! request
          7. sentaniel
            sentaniel 7 November 2019 09: 55
            0
            Launched. Photos of recent debris appeared on the internet.
          8. sentaniel
            sentaniel 7 November 2019 10: 19
            0
            https://t.me/new_militarycolumnist/23108 фото
        2. NEXUS
          NEXUS 6 November 2019 19: 22
          +12
          Quote: parkello
          agreed, the gift is not just good. but luxurious ... yes

          And this is already becoming interesting ... now the Israelis will be telling, okay, that's okay. feel
          Well, when we have new missiles for C-400 and so on, they will say that thanks to the developments in their missile, Russia found light at the end of the tunnel for missile defense. fellow
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 6 November 2019 19: 50
            -2
            Quote: NEXUS
            ... now the Israelis will tell, that's okay.

            I believe that this is so. After all, the "Sling ..." is of the same class as the S-400, and the S-400 is already on alert. And the S-500 is on its way. So, the "sling ..." is interesting only in the sense of developing methods to counter it. I mean the modernization of the Iskander, if it, the missile of the complex, needs it in the light of the appearance of the Sling ..
        3. Gunner
          Gunner 6 November 2019 20: 57
          +1
          I would say kosher.
      2. Zeev Zeev
        Zeev Zeev 6 November 2019 19: 07
        -16
        There are very few immigrants from the former USSR in the defense industry of Israel.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 6 November 2019 19: 20
          +6
          Quote: Zeev Zeev
          There are very few immigrants from the former USSR in the defense industry of Israel.

          I report to you that there are a lot of specialists from the USSR in Israel, and from all areas of scientific and technical knowledge!
          Our colleague Professor is one of the representatives of the Soviet people in Israel.
          1. Zeev Zeev
            Zeev Zeev 6 November 2019 19: 24
            -7
            You can ask exactly where the respected Professor works. Believe me, he does not have anything secret in terms of security.
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 6 November 2019 20: 43
              +2
              Quote: Zeev Zeev
              Zeev Zeev (Zeev Zeev)

              He is important as a specialist in the Navy, and he does not hide this.
          2. Mityay65
            Mityay65 6 November 2019 19: 55
            +4
            Quote: Stroporez
            there are a lot of specialists from the USSR in Israel, and from all areas of scientific and technical knowledge!

            That is why the significance of the news is greatly exaggerated.
            Everything is already known. Moreover, as I understand it, it is unlikely that there is something new interesting there - most likely the Israeli version of the long-term work of Almaz-Antey with friends ...
            P / S Representatives of the Jewish people, working on all the meridians of the Earth, will not allow a single side to advance ahead in the arms race and will keep us parity and, therefore, peace. It is especially worth noting the heroic role in the elimination of the US monopoly on a nuclear bomb.
        2. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 6 November 2019 19: 43
          +2
          Quote: Zeev Zeev
          There are very few immigrants from the former USSR in the defense industry of Israel.

          I wonder - how much did you count?
          1. Zeev Zeev
            Zeev Zeev 6 November 2019 20: 21
            -5
            Considering that I have quite a lot of acquaintances with higher education and working in the field of high-tech, I can say that few are employed in the defense industry (even in private firms), and they prefer not to take natives of other countries at all. Especially having experience in other countries.
        3. Professor
          Professor 6 November 2019 20: 01
          -3
          Quote: Zeev Zeev
          There are very few immigrants from the former USSR in the defense industry of Israel.

          I agree on 100%. Somehow I cited here a list of faculty members of the faculty of aeronautics. Not a single graduate of a Soviet university.

          The defenders will not take not served in the army. Those. I had to come at the age of 18-22 in order to serve in the IDF. Do you know a lot of scientists at this age?
          1. Mityay65
            Mityay65 6 November 2019 20: 12
            +7
            Quote: Professor
            Do you know a lot of scientists at this age?

            I knew a man who went to 55. He said that he wants closer to the children.
            He then came more than once, worked in Haifa on annular combustion chambers, it seems ...
            1. Professor
              Professor 6 November 2019 20: 13
              -6
              Quote: Mityai65
              Quote: Professor
              Do you know a lot of scientists at this age?

              I knew a man who went to 55. He said that he wants closer to the children.
              He then came more than once, worked in Haifa on annular combustion chambers, it seems ...

              ... but he did not work in a defense enterprise in Israel.
          2. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 6 November 2019 20: 24
            -7
            Quote: Professor

            There are very few immigrants from the former USSR in the defense industry of Israel.

            I agree on 100%. Somehow I cited here a list of faculty members of the faculty of aeronautics. Not a single graduate of a Soviet university.

            But I will not argue with you on this issue - it is convincingly reasoned.
          3. gregor6549
            gregor6549 7 November 2019 06: 57
            -2
            Add.
            There is an agreement between countries that are members of NATO or allies of NATO countries that it is forbidden to accept non-citizens in these countries to work on classified topics in the defense industry of these countries and for which it is impossible to verify the authenticity of their history over the past 10 years .
            Accordingly, work in the Israeli defense industry related to closed topics with immigrants from Russia practically does not shine already for this reason. Plus a number of purely Israeli restrictions that the Professor has already mentioned. Separate exceptions to these rules are probably possible. But weather exceptions do not. In addition, after 10 years, a person already remembers little what and how he did.
            Now about the rocket. Even if we assume that the missile entered Russia practically intact (which is unlikely), it will hardly be possible to extract much useful information from the "fallen" missile.
            During the Vietnam War, the USSR got a lot of downed U.S. aircraft and their weapons, including EW aircraft systems, which were immediately sent to specialized enterprises to study and develop methods and means of counteracting adversary. The work was very laborious, but it did not give much effect.
            In addition, SAM is only a small and not the most important part of any SAM. Much more sensitive is information about the sensors of the complex, software and hardware subsystems for collecting, processing, displaying and transmitting information about air targets, missile defense control, etc.
            It is also necessary to remember about the "man-machine" interfaces implemented in the air defense missile system, without which such modern combat systems do not work, tk. making key decisions in such systems rests with the person. Why am I? And besides, in this case, if it really was (which I strongly doubt), the operator's error could well have taken place.
            1. Tommy
              Tommy 7 November 2019 16: 19
              +5
              Quote: gregor6549
              In addition, SAM is only a small and not the most important part of any SAM.

              You are simply not a specialist who wrote stupidity ... You do not know the history of the AIM-9 Sidewinder air-to-air missile, which led to the disclosure of its secrets. It is clear that a Jew for Jews - is nonsense ... One water.
              1. gregor6549
                gregor6549 8 November 2019 12: 32
                0
                I wanted to answer you the way you deserve it, you are our concern. But I looked at your profile and realized that throwing beads in front of the sucker, which without a year has been unworthy on this site. Moreover, you are not so alone here so anxious. And especially since the story of the creation of the Soviet copy of Sidewinder is known to anyone who is interested in the history of weapons.
                Unfortunately, there were much more unsuccessful attempts to extract something useful from the foreign debris than successful ones. In addition, it was not enough to extract useful information from them, it was still necessary to be able to translate this information into metal, and this was far from always possible for a number of reasons (lack of necessary components, materials, etc.). Even the copying of the American B29 bomber and the creation of the Soviet clone of this TU 4 machine went through the stump of the deck, although Soviet aircraft designers did not have debris at their disposal, but a healthy American bomber.
          4. MMX
            MMX 7 November 2019 12: 12
            0
            Quote: Professor
            Quote: Zeev Zeev
            There are very few immigrants from the former USSR in the defense industry of Israel.

            I agree on 100%. Somehow I cited here a list of faculty members of the faculty of aeronautics. Not a single graduate of a Soviet university.

            The defenders will not take not served in the army. Those. I had to come at the age of 18-22 in order to serve in the IDF. Do you know a lot of scientists at this age?


            The entire scientific and technological potential of Israel has grown significantly after Soviet Jews moved to Israel after perestroika in the USSR.
            1. Professor
              Professor 7 November 2019 13: 00
              -4
              Quote: MMX
              Quote: Professor
              Quote: Zeev Zeev
              There are very few immigrants from the former USSR in the defense industry of Israel.

              I agree on 100%. Somehow I cited here a list of faculty members of the faculty of aeronautics. Not a single graduate of a Soviet university.

              The defenders will not take not served in the army. Those. I had to come at the age of 18-22 in order to serve in the IDF. Do you know a lot of scientists at this age?


              The entire scientific and technological potential of Israel has grown significantly after Soviet Jews moved to Israel after perestroika in the USSR.

              Yes. But not in the military-industrial complex.
              1. MMX
                MMX 7 November 2019 19: 41
                0
                Quote: Professor
                Quote: MMX
                Quote: Professor
                Quote: Zeev Zeev
                There are very few immigrants from the former USSR in the defense industry of Israel.

                I agree on 100%. Somehow I cited here a list of faculty members of the faculty of aeronautics. Not a single graduate of a Soviet university.

                The defenders will not take not served in the army. Those. I had to come at the age of 18-22 in order to serve in the IDF. Do you know a lot of scientists at this age?


                The entire scientific and technological potential of Israel has grown significantly after Soviet Jews moved to Israel after perestroika in the USSR.

                Yes. But not in the military-industrial complex.


                Maybe those who studied with teachers who graduated from Soviet universities.
                1. Professor
                  Professor 7 November 2019 20: 21
                  0
                  Quote: MMX
                  Quote: Professor
                  Quote: MMX
                  Quote: Professor
                  Quote: Zeev Zeev
                  There are very few immigrants from the former USSR in the defense industry of Israel.

                  I agree on 100%. Somehow I cited here a list of faculty members of the faculty of aeronautics. Not a single graduate of a Soviet university.

                  The defenders will not take not served in the army. Those. I had to come at the age of 18-22 in order to serve in the IDF. Do you know a lot of scientists at this age?


                  The entire scientific and technological potential of Israel has grown significantly after Soviet Jews moved to Israel after perestroika in the USSR.

                  Yes. But not in the military-industrial complex.


                  Maybe those who studied with teachers who graduated from Soviet universities.

                  There are not many of them either. At the Faculty of Aeronautics in Technion, not a single teacher with a Soviet education. And this faculty is a forge of all engineering and scientific personnel in the aviation industry.
              2. Zaits
                Zaits 8 November 2019 03: 09
                +1
                Quote: Professor
                Yes. But not in the military-industrial complex.


                In technology, everything is very much connected. It is sometimes very difficult to separate flies from cutlets.

                So I had to visit 20 years ago in one private Israeli company, which was only involved in the development and production of certain components for weapons systems. And precisely for those systems where Israel has a very strong position. And it is precisely those components that largely determine the quality of these systems.

                And what is surprising, all the main engineering posts were occupied by immigrants from the USSR.
                What do you think, not in the military-industrial complex? And how many local spill engineers did they teach, and this also has nothing to do with the military-industrial complex?
                1. Professor
                  Professor 8 November 2019 15: 29
                  0
                  Quote: Zaits
                  Quote: Professor
                  Yes. But not in the military-industrial complex.


                  In technology, everything is very much connected. It is sometimes very difficult to separate flies from cutlets.

                  So I had to visit 20 years ago in one private Israeli company, which was only involved in the development and production of certain components for weapons systems. And precisely for those systems where Israel has a very strong position. And it is precisely those components that largely determine the quality of these systems.

                  And what is surprising, all the main engineering posts were occupied by immigrants from the USSR.
                  What do you think, not in the military-industrial complex? And how many local spill engineers did they teach, and this also has nothing to do with the military-industrial complex?

                  No Israeli military-industrial complex provides outsourcing of critical components. Bitachon garden.
                  1. Zaits
                    Zaits 8 November 2019 20: 52
                    0
                    Quote: Professor
                    No Israeli military-industrial complex provides critical components for outsourcing


                    I won’t tell you about the current state of affairs, I can only guess, but about 20 years ago it didn’t surprise anyone. Outsourcers were the only ones who didn’t even hide too much. Think business, just specific optics for the IR range.
                    And just don’t tell me that these are not critical components. For this reason, they don’t do this class of optics, and replacing it with a similar one can be very painful.

                    And this is not the only example I know. True, the only one personally.
                    So, do not underestimate the contribution of Soviet engineers and scientists to the Israeli defense industry.
        4. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 6 November 2019 22: 51
          -5
          Quote: Zeev Zeev
          There are very few immigrants from the former USSR in the defense industry of Israel.

          Left (pensioners)
      3. Roman1970_1
        Roman1970_1 6 November 2019 20: 02
        +2
        in principle, specialists in air defense-pro immigrants from the USSR


        No one came from the USSR to defense enterprises and does not take it. Their children after school, yes, but they are not.
        Professor janitors worked.
        And they did it right. Suddenly he came not only from the USSR, but also from the KGB
        1. Zeev Zeev
          Zeev Zeev 6 November 2019 20: 23
          -5
          Why so? Sometimes people from those countries are taken to defense enterprises. Installers, cleaners and security guards. And also by welders.
      4. Garris199
        Garris199 6 November 2019 22: 11
        +1
        So-so present. What is there to learn? A system of misses and failures?))
    2. Cut Samshitov
      Cut Samshitov 6 November 2019 18: 26
      +9
      Quote: -sh-
      this is a puncture, oh, it will begin now ...

      Yeah. In style - until you show a photo, video, extracts from a personal file, "you fsё vrotyiii".
    3. svp67
      svp67 6 November 2019 18: 27
      +11
      Quote: -sh-
      this is a puncture, oh, it will begin now ...

      And what will begin? The usual practice of "military-technical" cooperation. Syria has nothing to do with this missile, but our specialists will definitely need it. At one time in Vietnam, our special groups "competed" with the same Chinese, who will be the first to arrive at the crash site of the next American plane and take possession of everything that survived ...
      1. Polite Moose
        Polite Moose 6 November 2019 19: 21
        +7
        Quote: svp67
        who is the first to arrive at the crash site of another American plane and take possession of everything that survived ...

        Poor American pilots. crying I think that McCain was so evil. wink
        1. svp67
          svp67 6 November 2019 20: 16
          +15
          Quote: Polite Elk
          I think that McCain was so evil.

          Still ... So the riddle remained unsolved, who and when his legs "rihtanul". On the left is a photo of his departure from prison in Vietnam in the United States, on the right, he is also in the United States a short time later at the awards ceremony
          1. Polite Moose
            Polite Moose 6 November 2019 20: 33
            +4
            Quote: svp67
            So the mystery remained unsolved, who and when his legs "straightened".

            And thank God. I don’t even want to know those people who “straighten their legs” so hard. Br-r-r-r.
            1. svp67
              svp67 6 November 2019 20: 35
              +6
              Quote: Polite Elk
              I don’t even want to know those people who “straighten their legs” so hard. Br-r-r-r.

              But I'm wondering if it was not "from grateful comrades in arms" that was hello. Rumor has it that many of them really disliked McCain ... there was a reason
              1. Polite Moose
                Polite Moose 6 November 2019 20: 55
                +4
                Quote: svp67
                many of them really didn’t like McCain ...

                Judging by the "trauma", there were about 30 of them. Unlovers (or amateurs).
                1. svp67
                  svp67 6 November 2019 21: 06
                  +7
                  Quote: Polite Elk
                  Judging by the "trauma", there were about 30 of them. Unlovers (or amateurs).

                  Reading about the "glorious combat path" of "Mokryak", how he almost destroyed the aircraft carrier, I am not surprised.
                  "Evil Tongues" rumor has it that McCain was the inspiration for Disney's Zigzag McCreak from "Duck Tales"
          2. Charik
            Charik 7 November 2019 21: 47
            0
            yes pretended to be a scarecrow
    4. Bar2
      Bar2 6 November 2019 19: 14
      +5
      ours will receive samples of fuel powder most likely American, so we'll see.
      1. svp67
        svp67 6 November 2019 20: 36
        +4
        Quote: Bar2
        ours will receive samples of fuel powder most likely American, so we'll see.

        Fuel is of course interesting, but I think that electronic filling is more interesting now. It costs a lot to learn how this rocket can be "fooled", given that ZhK went for export
    5. Maz
      Maz 6 November 2019 19: 28
      +19
      Yes, the Jews have been crying for a week in all the media, shaw oyavoy, now like the Russians know our brilliant secrets, oh trouble, oh woe, our rocket is better than theirs c400. Oh bald, vile Syrians, oh, we’re suffering, it’s all the Russians who took our charm to themselves, where did you look, Lord, for whom we have the punishment of heaven. Ah this Moscow, oh this Putin, oh this Bibi nitanyagu is all because of him! Oh, horror, now all the defenseless will beat us, we are poor Jews, give Christ for the sake of Magomed and Allah, we have a lot of money, f35, rockets, airplanes, submarines and peace with the Arabs ... I was tortured to wash on Facebook. A wall crying over a rocket and not a word about the calculation error pro. Geniuses cannot be mistaken. Song of the song of the self.
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            1. panov_panov
              panov_panov 6 November 2019 20: 25
              +8
              So I have the same question, if everything is so bad in Russia, why do not we have representatives of a number of media outlets, the "creative intelligentsia" do not leave, like there is no iron curtain, all poor fellows are tormented!)))
              1. neri73-r
                neri73-r 6 November 2019 21: 12
                0
                Quote: panov_panov
                So I have the same question, if everything is so bad in Russia, why do not we have representatives of a number of media outlets, the "creative intelligentsia" do not leave, like there is no iron curtain, all poor fellows are tormented!)))

                Oh look, right now they’ll erase from the branch, like me, I wonder what I wrote bad?
              2. Misha Honest
                Misha Honest 6 November 2019 22: 16
                -1
                Quote: panov_panov
                So I have the same question, if everything is so bad in Russia, why do not we have representatives of a number of media outlets, the "creative intelligentsia" do not leave, like there is no iron curtain, all poor fellows are tormented!)))

                So shpiena. So they "suffer" for the good of the West for dollars.
      2. neri73-r
        neri73-r 6 November 2019 21: 15
        0
        Quote: Maz
        A wall crying over a rocket and not a word about the calculation error pro. Geniuses cannot be mistaken. Song of the song of the self.

        Yes, I also noticed that this is not a bad rocket, but
        Due to a technical failure, the device did not hit the target. This is reported by Rambler.
        !!! Damn, of course, they have a technical failure, ingenious cannot be not ingenious !!!
      3. lucul
        lucul 6 November 2019 21: 54
        +3
        Geniuses cannot be mistaken

        Maz - respect.
    6. Misha Honest
      Misha Honest 6 November 2019 22: 14
      -2
      Quote: -sh-
      this is a puncture, oh, it will begin now ...

      And the point ... They'll return with an apology yet ...
      When the whole government is Jewish ..... request
    7. Alex Nevsky
      Alex Nevsky 6 November 2019 23: 21
      0
      And why advertise your puncture ..........
    8. Kunica
      Kunica 7 November 2019 00: 26
      0
      It was over a year ago. It's over now wink
    9. AKS-U
      AKS-U 7 November 2019 00: 48
      0
      ... "On July 23 last year, the Israeli anti-missile defense system" David's Sling "launched two anti-missiles" ...
      If something started, then last year. Around July.
    10. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 7 November 2019 01: 00
      +1
      Guys, I'm sorry that this is not the topic, but ... In general, see for yourself - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Byv-fqLbw9g
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 7 November 2019 01: 25
        +2
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        Guys, I'm sorry that this is not the topic, but ... In general, see for yourself - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Byv-fqLbw9g

        It doesn’t open, but what was it?
  2. Orkraider
    Orkraider 6 November 2019 18: 22
    +10
    If true, then a wonderful story. Bypassing sanctions, get such material for research and new technologies)))
    But seriously, like our products, all the information will not be transmitted, too many layers can not be opened. So, go to the top))
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 6 November 2019 18: 49
      +9
      What new technologies? These?
      As the IDF later said, the Israeli system recorded the Syrian missile launches, but could not clearly secure the target. As a result, one interceptor missile fell on Syrian territory, the other, having lost its "target", self-destructed.

      And do they still tell us something about our Shell-S after their failures?
      1. Orkraider
        Orkraider 6 November 2019 19: 07
        +4
        I can’t neglect Israel. They have a good scientific school, there are a lot of Soviet specialists who have moved there, including from our research institutes. They keep their army in good shape and spare money for it, the technologies of which can be borrowed from them - they definitely have. And they can not be underestimated, they are strong fighters and not weak in spirit. Grandfather told about Jews who fought with him - they were evil before the fight, unlike the same “black regiments”. He spoke of them: they were dug in by a company in front of a platoon ..

        You can minus, but the interception system and their UAVs are quite on the level.
        According to the rating of weapons, they sell smart missiles, radar systems, sensors, UAVs. SIPRI In the latest report, covering the period from 2013 to 2017, indicated that over the past four years, Israel has risen from tenth place as a manufacturer and exporter of advanced types of weapons on the eighth. Israel, which now accounts for 2,9% of international defense sales, tied for 7th-8th with Spain.

        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 6 November 2019 19: 29
          0
          Quote: Orkraider
          You can minus, but the interception system and their UAVs are quite on the level.

          And what is there to minus that, here it is necessary to put pluses. wink Over the next 5-10 years, Russia plans to purchase about 30 Forpost unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), which are assembled in Russia under the Israeli license of the Searcher Mk2 UAV of the Israeli company IAI.
        2. Sky strike fighter
          Sky strike fighter 6 November 2019 19: 30
          +1
          I can’t neglect Israel.

          Me too. But the facts are stubborn things.
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 7 November 2019 01: 09
            +1
            Quote: Sky Strike fighter
            Me too. But the facts are stubborn things.

            Plus from me for the adequacy.
        3. Maz
          Maz 6 November 2019 19: 36
          +8
          It was with your grandfather that the Russian Jews fought, and from us they gained strength and courage and collectivism. And these they only show off, shoot in the back, and finish off the wounded. There’s the latest news, the officer shot the Arab in the back at point blank range. Brave, what to speak. And these nine soldiers who fought with the Bedouins ... you see them, the commander is obliged to protect them, to stand under the walls of the prison and ask for the Schaub to be released. . Not those Jews, not Russian Jews and not for you to tell me about them. I see them every day. They weren’t the ones who fought a platoon against the company, could not eat for three days but keep the defense, fought to the death, gnawed at their teeth if that. And these only know how to trend, combine and lie.
          1. Zeev Zeev
            Zeev Zeev 6 November 2019 20: 25
            -18
            There can be no Russian Jews, in principle, until 1917, Jews were forbidden to live in the territory of primordial Russia with rare exceptions.
            1. Herman 4223
              Herman 4223 6 November 2019 22: 01
              +5
              Why such nonsense?
            2. Herman 4223
              Herman 4223 6 November 2019 22: 01
              +3
              Why such nonsense?
        4. lucul
          lucul 6 November 2019 21: 55
          +1
          I can’t neglect Israel

          $ 30 billion in annual subsidies by America ......
          1. zlinn
            zlinn 7 November 2019 08: 26
            0
            write immediately 300 billion
          2. Okolotochny
            Okolotochny 8 November 2019 17: 44
            +1
            3 per year. 30 for 10 years, it will be so right.
      2. Vitaly gusin
        Vitaly gusin 6 November 2019 22: 59
        -8
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        Do they still tell us something about our Shell-S after their failures?

        What's with her? She drowned.
        And what about THEM (there are two of them) destroyed.
        1. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny 8 November 2019 17: 45
          -2
          And with "David's Sling"? She missed (burst) tongue
          1. Vitaly gusin
            Vitaly gusin 8 November 2019 20: 08
            -1
            Quote: Okolotochny
            And with "David's Sling"? She missed (burst)

            No, I just fell.
            You had a desire to measure who more LOOSED?
            Crush him.
            Better not to measure.
            At all times, you will win tongue
            1. Okolotochny
              Okolotochny 9 November 2019 12: 54
              +2
              By deceit, you will give everyone 100 points ahead, I won’t even argue here. We will win in another, bringing to the senses arrogant and liars. Ask your BBC after his next report in Moscow or Sochi
              1. Vitaly gusin
                Vitaly gusin 9 November 2019 16: 32
                0
                Quote: Okolotochny
                You had a desire to measure who more LOOSED?

                And you tell me about Sochi
            2. Okolotochny
              Okolotochny 9 November 2019 12: 57
              0
              Just fell. How is this? She was not allowed to intercept? The calculation threw her up. National Fun AOI? Reduce your Jewish-nationalist ambition.
    2. Karen
      Karen 6 November 2019 19: 35
      +5
      The USSR, too, seized control of American spacecraft if they lost contact, and put it on their territory for scamming ... Then our commission simply stated: American systems have a lot of microelectronics, which means they are less reliable :)
  3. Lopatov
    Lopatov 6 November 2019 18: 23
    +21
    "Bossyatsky fit" (c) laughing
    By the way, blaming the calculation is a good option. The reputation of the prodigy should not be in doubt. My condolences to the scapegoats laughing laughing laughing
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 6 November 2019 19: 00
      +2
      The first level of layered missile defense is the Iron Dome system. The second line of defense is provided by “David Sling”, the third level is “Hetz-2” (“Arrow”) and modernized versions of the American “Patriot”. The latest Hets-3 system serves to destroy intercontinental ballistic warheads in airless space.

      And the king is naked. What happened is an attack on Israel like the one from the Hussites on Saudi Arabia and how will Israel intercept the KR and UAVs?
      Hets-3, Hets-2 is a missile defense against ballistic missiles.
      David's sling? Please. Could not intercept.
      As the IDF later said, the Israeli system recorded the Syrian missile launches, but could not clearly secure the target. As a result, one interceptor missile fell on Syrian territory, the other, having lost its "target", self-destructed.

      The Iron Dome intercepted in practice 30% of shells like the MLRS Grad, no more.
      Patriot showed himself in Saudi Arabia.
  4. Prisoner
    Prisoner 6 November 2019 18: 27
    +11
    Calculation for the "mistake" to the titles of Heroes of the Russian Federation. winked Although ... one fell did not explode, the other did not find the target and self-destruct. A muddy story.
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 6 November 2019 19: 11
      +2
      In this, apparently, the self-liquidator also turned out to be a jailbreak. Or maybe some "Stirlitz" Jewish calculation started coughing. request
  5. Shahno
    Shahno 6 November 2019 18: 27
    -4
    Quote: Spade
    "Bossyatsky fit" (c) laughing
    By the way, blaming the calculation is a good option. The reputation of the prodigy should not be in doubt. My condolences to the scapegoats laughing laughing laughing

    Well, they said that they corrected the shortcomings.
    Then something I doubt that the electronics are intact there, there is such a feeling laughing
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 6 November 2019 18: 30
      +10
      Quote: Shahno
      Well, they said that they corrected the shortcomings.

      They contradict themselves. What are the disadvantages if the calculation is to blame? Lied ...
      1. Corn
        Corn 6 November 2019 18: 57
        0
        What are the disadvantages if the calculation is to blame? Lied ...
        If the calculation made a mistake, it does not mean that he is to blame, there are all kinds of situations. Perhaps, according to the results of the investigation, they simplified the management, which corrected the flaws.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 6 November 2019 22: 35
          +3
          Quote: Corn
          If the calculation made a mistake, it does not mean that he is to blame

          True.
          If we are talking about such high-tech things, this is the cant of the developer.

          But it was precisely the "crooked hands" that were accused. Because to say honestly "developers screwed up" the spirit was not enough. And greed did not allow it (after all, there seems to be a contract with the USA on the nose, plus American funding for the program as a whole)

          So I had to appoint the right perpetrators.
    2. sabakina
      sabakina 6 November 2019 18: 53
      -1
      Shahno (Pavel), and now the question is: And then, well, when was the Russian Shell or the Syrian crew to blame?
      1. Prisoner
        Prisoner 6 November 2019 19: 33
        +3
        The situations are different. The Israelis launched the missiles, missiles worked abnormally, or rather one missile. And in Syrian woodpeckers, the folded launcher was rattled.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 6 November 2019 22: 38
          +3
          Quote: Captive
          And in Syrian woodpeckers, the folded launcher was rattled.

          Well, they did not know that Israel supports terrorists so much.
          In fact, with the highest probability they tried to prevent a strike precisely on Syrian territory

          This is a common Israeli lie. "They shot at us, but missed a lot, we struck back."
          Hypocrisy rolls over.
      2. Vitaly gusin
        Vitaly gusin 6 November 2019 23: 10
        -8
        Quote: sabakina
        And then, well, when was the Russian Shell or the Syrian crew to blame?

        Guilty is the one who, in pursuit of profit, sells modern weapons to feudal society.
        1. Ka-52
          Ka-52 8 November 2019 05: 20
          +1
          Guilty is the one who, in pursuit of profit, sells modern weapons to feudal society.

          for example, the USA.
  6. Observer2014
    Observer2014 6 November 2019 18: 27
    +1
    The Jerusalem Post The request of Israeli colleagues on the site to educate the public. What kind of resource. And is it worth taking it seriously? For personally this resource doesn’t tell me anything. We live in such a time. What can be read about it. What can you don’t put on your head. Do not pull on any other place laughing
    1. Orkraider
      Orkraider 6 November 2019 18: 40
      +4
      hi
      . What is this resource. And is it worth taking it seriously?

      I’m not from there, but simply surfed the Internet, that’s what it is, until our friends answer from “from there”)):
      The Jerusalem Post is an Israeli newspaper published in English and French. She is the largest published in English in the country. It turns out every day - except Saturday.
      It has an extensive audience of subscribers and a twitter channel.
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 6 November 2019 18: 54
      +10
      Quote: Observer2014
      The Jerusalem Post The request of Israeli colleagues on the site to educate the public. What kind of resource. And is it worth taking it seriously? For personally this resource doesn’t tell me anything. We live in such a time. What can be read about it. What can you don’t put on your head. Do not pull on any other place laughing

      The newspaper is serious. The information is apparently true. How much you received the rocket in safety is a question, but undoubtedly you will get something interesting. What to do, any military equipment at the moment it begins to participate in the b / d quickly ceases to be secret. I think the interest is not in the performance characteristics of the rocket, but in the possibility if you need to reproduce the technologies used in its manufacture.
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 6 November 2019 19: 03
        +2
        Comrade Aaron Zawi hi Thank you for the information. Just primitively do not understand what hap to catch tired of. Well then what can I say. This is normal practice. There is nothing to be done. So it was and will be. Yours are not a gift either laughing I always gave an impetus to the development of my technique with the secrets of a competitor. (I was in diplomatic language now). Well, or the conviction of my innocence and the correctness of the chosen technical solution.
        1. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 6 November 2019 23: 38
          -5
          Quote: Observer2014
          Thank you for the information.

          Jerusalem Post Middle East
          RUSSIA CAPTURES ADVANCED ISRAELI MISSILE INTERCEPTOR IN SYRIA - REPORT
          Russian media reports quoted Chinese media Sina saying that the missile was taken by Russia for "reverse engineering."
          1. sentaniel
            sentaniel 7 November 2019 10: 25
            +1
            https://t.me/new_militarycolumnist/23108 фото Точки-У обе ракеты не были поражены и не достигли израильской территории. Видать спецом запускали как приманку. Новость от 2018го года.
      2. Maz
        Maz 6 November 2019 21: 53
        +3
        The question is not that Aron, but who pays it and who owns it? And who calls the tune in this newspaper? In 2004, the publication was sold by the Israeli company Mirka'ei Tikshoret group and the Canadian media group Can West Global Communications. Canada is the most Russophobic after Britain.
      3. lucul
        lucul 6 November 2019 21: 58
        +1
        I think the interest is not in the performance characteristics of the rocket

        Yes, the only question is chem. solid fuel formula - the rest is not interesting)))
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 6 November 2019 22: 15
          -1
          Quote: lucul
          - the rest is not interesting)))

          There is an opinion that this is not particularly interesting either.
  7. Thrifty
    Thrifty 6 November 2019 18: 28
    +2
    But is it possible to couple more, three missiles prokukat? ?? lol
  8. Doliva63
    Doliva63 6 November 2019 18: 29
    +9
    "The newest Hetz-3 system is used to destroy intercontinental ballistic warheads in airless space."
    Figase! Already at the holy swings! laughing
    And by the way, why do they need it? Intercontinental, it’s not like Iran. They don’t trust American allies, or what? laughing
  9. Shahno
    Shahno 6 November 2019 18: 32
    +9
    Quote: Observer2014
    The Jerusalem Post The request of Israeli colleagues on the site to educate the public. What kind of resource. And is it worth taking it seriously? For personally this resource doesn’t tell me anything. We live in such a time. What can be read about it. What can you don’t put on your head. Do not pull on any other place laughing

    Well, a pretty solid publisher. In my opinion, the largest is in English.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 6 November 2019 18: 57
      0
      A large beer belly does not mean the solidity of the wearer of the abdomen.
      1. Leopold
        Leopold 6 November 2019 22: 36
        +2
        Slava, do you want to say that the Tu-95 with a "beer belly", which brought "Kuzkin's mother" to the landfill, did not look solid? wink
  10. Vita vko
    Vita vko 6 November 2019 18: 34
    +11
    Getting a whole rocket is a good result of Russian intelligence. I doubt that the rocket had a technical malfunction, it is likely that the electronic warfare system worked by blocking the signal for self-liquidation. Logically, the next step will be to get almost the whole F-35, because samples of Israeli and American missiles and UAVs are already missing. It is interesting how the United States will react to this information, which are going to take the Israeli systems not weapons.
  11. Igoresha
    Igoresha 6 November 2019 18: 35
    +3
    So you need to take, cut and look what's inside. Guess?
  12. GABALIS
    GABALIS 6 November 2019 18: 36
    +5
    Campaign, this is a complete degradation of the Jewish military-industrial complex ... And what corruption, nepotism and irremovability of power want to face! In addition, they are sitting on a matzo needle laughing
  13. Livonetc
    Livonetc 6 November 2019 18: 41
    +9
    Quote: Shahno
    Quote: Spade
    "Bossyatsky fit" (c) laughing
    By the way, blaming the calculation is a good option. The reputation of the prodigy should not be in doubt. My condolences to the scapegoats laughing laughing laughing

    Well, they said that they corrected the shortcomings.
    Then something I doubt that the electronics are intact there, there is such a feeling laughing

    And what happened to the electronics?
    Are the lamps crashed?
  14. impostor
    impostor 6 November 2019 18: 42
    +4
    Well, with light steam, and admin and moder! There are axes, now a sling, we are waiting for a free trident
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 6 November 2019 19: 38
      +6
      A trident is unlikely to cause any interest. Unless the antique dealers. laughing
      1. impostor
        impostor 6 November 2019 19: 41
        +2
        Lahn, do not quibble, for lack of a better ... the minuteman is also not a young man
        1. boss
          boss 6 November 2019 21: 01
          +1
          old people are already retired.
          Now, like the second generation or third in a combat post
          1. impostor
            impostor 6 November 2019 21: 28
            -5
            Minuteman was hit in the lid, as a result of which most of the compounds were transferred to PGRK and BZHRK. Mines and communication cables were looted, shops were opened on copper ...
  15. Nfl1.6
    Nfl1.6 6 November 2019 18: 43
    +2
    Even if everything was so - ours, according to anyone, will come from the version that this was done on purpose ..
    1. boss
      boss 6 November 2019 21: 00
      +2
      too many accidents, do not you find?
  16. Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 6 November 2019 18: 44
    0
    Evil rock is haunting the United States and its allies.
    1. impostor
      impostor 6 November 2019 18: 51
      +4
      They are haunted by rap and related unnatural inclinations of personnel
      1. Dym71
        Dym71 6 November 2019 19: 34
        +5
        Quote: impostor
        They are haunted by rap

        Nah, they have their own mansi in the army yes
        1. impostor
          impostor 6 November 2019 19: 42
          +3
          Super! THE PEOPLE DROPPING, AND WAR UNLOCK POLICIES. Shalom hi
          1. Dym71
            Dym71 6 November 2019 19: 51
            +6
            Quote: impostor
            THE PEOPLE DROPPING, AND WAR UNLOCK POLICIES.

            Yes! hi
  17. rocket757
    rocket757 6 November 2019 18: 57
    +5
    What is the reason for the noise and delight?
    There is no fundamentally new in the product, technologically piece-wise in another way .... we are not Chinese, Schaub rushes at all sorts of different things, which we already have, even better.
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 6 November 2019 19: 43
      +10
      Like rockets, they probably don’t really care. But the information about the real possibilities is still yes. Well, to create an antidote, you need to know everything about the poison. So the horse will not be looked at in the teeth, but the whole liver will be shaken. hi
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 6 November 2019 20: 04
        +2
        Quote: Captive
        They don’t look at the gift horse in the mouth, but shake the whole liver.

        And it is right! Ordinary expert \ design work .... in terms of counteraction. It is simply impossible to accept for work, as a reference sample, for many, objective reasons.
        "chosen" molos! Their life makes them make good, effective weapons better than many, very large and rich, BUT, we will go our own way and this is also objectively justified!
      2. Nenie Lynn
        Nenie Lynn 7 November 2019 02: 51
        -5
        Quote: Captive
        Well, to create an antidote, you need to know everything about the poison.

        fragments from such a height ... I strongly doubt that they will know something, that you can read in the booklet at the exhibition.
        1. most likely a fake, the newspaper refers to the Russian media, there is no information of its own ..
        2. electronics to study .... well, good luck with the current process, there is more than one decade of work, but there’s zero use, they will not sell equipment for production anyway, and they won’t be able to develop their own. Unless the general principles and separate schemes, but honestly it’s easier to do it yourself than copy ...
        3. software, compiled programs and even in encrypted form. Nah, it's fantastic ..
        4. Value is the engine's fuel formula, but what could be left there?
        1. SETSET
          SETSET 7 November 2019 03: 37
          +2
          Quote: Neni Lynn
          2. electronics to study .... well good luck with the current process technology, it’s not for one decade of work, but the benefits are zero, they will not sell equipment for production anyway, and they will not be able to develop their own. Unless the general principles and separate schemes, but honestly it’s easier to do it yourself than copy ...

          Nenie Lynn, you confuse circuitry and don't know, what electronics, which includes circuitry and the logic of electronic circuits ... Moreover, it is possible to make microcircuits with another technological process, of course, with deterioration of parameters, but this can not be so critical!
  18. 7,62x54
    7,62x54 6 November 2019 19: 00
    +6
    Two rockets fired, half of them lost. Effectively. And if friends from Hezbollah in half gulp rockets are launched, the invaders will fight off the Jews?
    1. Rzzz
      Rzzz 6 November 2019 20: 01
      +3
      Quote: 7,62x54
      Two rockets fired, half of them lost.

      You incorrectly breed demagoguery. wassat It is necessary so:
      One of several launched missiles could not capture the target. Half of the launched missiles captured the target, but one of them could not hit it.
      1. 7,62x54
        7,62x54 6 November 2019 22: 25
        +2
        I take off my hat, I feel a demagogue with experience and experience hi
        1. Rzzz
          Rzzz 7 November 2019 01: 15
          +2
          Quote: 7,62x54
          demagogue with experience and experience

          I am just learning fellow But I must say that teaching practice helps a lot with word ownership and wording selection.
          In general, it is necessary to push even more powerful: .... at least 50% of the missiles confidently captured the target ....
    2. boss
      boss 6 November 2019 21: 16
      -3
      no, they won’t fight back, of course.
      from such a number of truly serious missiles, it is hardly 100% possible to defend at all (
      but do we want 300 or even 100 serious missiles to fall on israel?
      I - definitely not.
      I think most Russians, too
      somewhere to click on the nose, their presumptuous warriors, punish - yes, but 300 missiles ???
      yes there every fifth consider Russian.
      Okay, cunning Ghgus, but it does not change the essence.
      therefore, this cup is not yet full in me.
      even when our side was shot down, with which the cunning asses covered themselves - anger was over the edge, but there were a lot of "buts" too.
      1. 7,62x54
        7,62x54 6 November 2019 22: 28
        +1
        Shalom, Orthodox. You definitely do not want fallen missiles, but you are not all of Russia, although there are many of you cunning Russian.
        1. boss
          boss 6 November 2019 23: 30
          -1
          truly shalom)
          many, thank God.
          Do you really think that if you really wanted (or did NOT want to, but NECESSARY) would not reach ?!
          believe me, more than 300
          at any given time. GUARANTEEDLY FLY.
          GUARANTEED TO PUNCH.
          bad you opinions about our capabilities ...
    3. Kenxnumx
      Kenxnumx 6 November 2019 22: 25
      -5
      So after all they started. And fought back.
      1. boss
        boss 6 November 2019 23: 24
        +1
        sorry, but I don’t remember
        when?
        where?
        percentage of flown?
        1. Kenxnumx
          Kenxnumx 6 November 2019 23: 30
          -4
          photographs of launching Arabs not required?
          This is for 2006
          July, 12. About 30 missiles.
          July 13. About 150 missiles (the first missile exploded in Haifa).
          the 14 th of July. About 70 missiles (including at least 10 over 20 km from the border).
          July 15. About 40 missiles (including at least 10).
          July 16. About 60 missiles (including at least 30).
          July 17. About 100 missiles (including at least 60).
          July 18. About 100 missiles (including at least 20).
          July 19. About 140 missiles (including at least 30).
          July 20. About 50 missiles (including at least 5).
          July 21. About 40 missiles (including at least 20).
          July 22. About 120 missiles (including at least 40).
          July 23. About 100 missiles (including at least 40).
          July 24. About 100 missiles (including at least 30).
          July 25. About 100 missiles (including at least 40).
          July 26. About 150 missiles (including at least 50).
          July 27. About 100 missiles (including at least 40).
          July 28. About 110 missiles (including at least 40).
          July 29. About 100 missiles (including at least 40).
          July 30th. Over 140 missiles (including at least 10).
          July 31st. No more than five missiles.
          August 1. No more than five missiles.
          August 2. Over 215 missiles (including at least 20).
          1. boss
            boss 6 November 2019 23: 48
            0
            serious missiles.
            but what you are talking about right now is that most of it is purely for deceiving air defense, blanks, and the other with a range of up to 10 km.
            gas cylinders and other "shaitan-pipe", excuse me, do not count as missiles.
            or do you know that missiles from hurricanes, tornadoes or points fell on Israel?
            or at least flew more than 10?
            1. Kenxnumx
              Kenxnumx 7 November 2019 00: 08
              -6
              To prevent serious problems, Israel regularly cleans Iranian warehouses and bases.
              1. boss
                boss 7 November 2019 09: 33
                0
                so otozh.
                it's really yours.
                we are getting closer to reality in the discussion come up)
          2. aszzz888
            aszzz888 7 November 2019 02: 09
            0
            Ken71 (Konstantin (Russia, St. Petersburg)) Yesterday, 23: 30 ... This is for 2006 ...
            Why not 1949? laughing laughing laughing Particularly impressive are the docks - "near", "above" ... you can also add highlighted likeli to make sure laughing wassat wassat Posoruha specific wassat
            1. Nenie Lynn
              Nenie Lynn 7 November 2019 02: 57
              -8
              Quote: aszzz888
              Ken71 (Konstantin (Russia, St. Petersburg)) Yesterday, 23: 30 ... This is for 2006 ...
              Why not 1949? laughing laughing laughing Particularly impressive are the docks - "near", "above" ... you can also add highlighted likeli to make sure laughing wassat wassat Posoruha specific wassat

              absolutely stupid trolls went. These are statistics of hezbollah bombardments by Iranian fajars, but keep on laughing like a horse.
  19. Zeev Zeev
    Zeev Zeev 6 November 2019 19: 09
    -1
    Hmm, but why didn’t they include our self-destruction on the second rocket? Bursting on a large ... recourse
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 6 November 2019 19: 14
      +2
      Quote: Zeev Zeev
      Hmm, but why didn’t they include our self-destruction on the second rocket? Bursting on a large ... recourse

      Nobody's perfect. wink
    2. Dym71
      Dym71 6 November 2019 19: 42
      +3
      Quote: Zeev Zeev
      Hmm, but why didn’t they include our self-destruction on the second rocket? Bursting on a large ...

      Do not be sad, on the first turned on! bully
  20. bars1
    bars1 6 November 2019 19: 10
    +4
    Quote: rocket757
    There is no fundamentally new product

    How to say. The GOS in the rocket is interesting - multi-channel: radar and thermal imaging. Thermal GOS on our missiles are not yet found. They say that they are developing a missile with a thermal imaging seeker for Thor.
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 6 November 2019 19: 35
      +2
      And 9M100 from the Poliment-Redoubt air defense system?
      1. bars1
        bars1 6 November 2019 19: 50
        +1
        Judging by the available photos 9M100 (a sharp fairing around a rocket), there is at best ARGSN, or even a radio command guidance.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 6 November 2019 20: 15
          +5
          Quote: bars1
          How to say. Gos at the rocket is interesting

          No one disputes that the Israelis are making GOOD weapons!
          And someone can APPROVE and prove that their weapons are better than ours ???
          Boom realists, we do WHAT IT IS NECESSARY, on the equipment that we have, on the technological and element base that we have ... our engineers, designers create combat systems and devices with the best performance characteristics that can be made by OUR VPK !!!
          Learning best practices, techniques, from anywhere is NECESSARY! Implement all the most advanced NECESSARY !!! But without unnecessary fantasies and empty searchlights.
          Boom realists, do the impossible ... keep it up!
          PS ... I repeat, there is NO outstanding in that rocket! Just a good anti-aircraft missile, better than many, but not better than ours.
          1. Town Hall
            Town Hall 6 November 2019 20: 23
            -10
            Quote: rocket757
            No one disputes that the Israelis are making GOOD weapons!
            And someone can APPROVE and prove that their weapons are better than ours ???

            The only criterion of truth is reality. And there ... starting from the age of 48, Israeli weapons always turned out to be better than Soviet / Russian. Moreover, with a crushing score, usually
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 6 November 2019 20: 39
              +3
              Yes, yes, but did the Amer’s best air defense systems prove to be better in the air defense system than the best? Yes, and others also have a lot to present .....
              Maybe you shouldn't discuss "monkeys" with a grenade and "camels / donkeys" with a rocket?
              When WE fought with OUR weapons or others, not worse prepared, well motivated, fluff and feathers flew from the enemy! With rare exceptions, when the stupidity / incompetence of some higher and higher nesting ones climbed in front of military logic, skills!
              By the way, squeaks and feathers flew away from the elect, although they were excellent warriors, better than the entire BV gang - watering can ... just then, those from the gang - watering can, decided that they were great warriors and strategists ..... it turned out that this is far from the case. The result is logical and this has nothing to do with the quality of the weapon!
              1. Town Hall
                Town Hall 6 November 2019 20: 57
                -2
                Mnogobukff .. You asked a question, I answered. Facts hi
              2. Kenxnumx
                Kenxnumx 6 November 2019 22: 30
                -6
                Let's not. Arabs armed with our equipment and trained by our specialists. Of course, Arabs are Arabs, but maybe the conservatory is not all right.
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 7 November 2019 06: 53
                  +1
                  Quote: Ken71
                  Of course, Arabs are Arabs,

                  camel - macaw - ar - arrogant "eagle" of the desert ... do not fiddle with what many want to forget.
                  Quote: Ken71
                  maybe the conservatory is not all right.

                  at the conservatory, too, not everything is perfect, EVERYONE, besides ... so then the personnel / fighters both study, train and get the M sign - masters, so that it’s not even ideal to use with all possible efficiency.
                  Someone is given, because he is a master. And someone is not given \ cannot \ does not want, it does not matter, the main thing is that the result will be ... deplorable. There is no protection against ... a monkey with a grenade.
                  Everyone was convinced of this, more than once, even ours, the opposite side as well.
            2. bars1
              bars1 6 November 2019 20: 46
              +4
              If you follow your logic, then from 1948 the American weapon, which for some reason you think is Israeli, has pretty much degraded. Confirmation of this is the regular receipt of luli by the coalition from the Hussites, whose apotheosis was a blow to the oil refinery in the SA
              1. Town Hall
                Town Hall 6 November 2019 21: 00
                -9
                Quote: bars1
                from the Hussites

                Did I miss the moment when the Hussites took Air Riad?
                Quote: bars1
                impact on a refinery in SA

                Whose weapons (rockets, drones) hit? Russia? Share this sensational info?

                And anyway .. where does the Saudis and other esirates? It was like talking about Israel
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 6 November 2019 21: 11
                  +2
                  So the adversary of Israel and the Houthis of Tez BV camels with a grenade. And that is a fact.
          2. boss
            boss 6 November 2019 21: 24
            +1
            You have touched upon and correctly outlined the main problem - "on the technological equipment that we have."
            that’s the whole point.
            attended the conversation, where serious uncles brought from Korea a man, the owner of an enterprise that produces equipment, which in turn makes primary tools (cutters, drills, etc.), and then they are stamped with famous top European brands
            so this uncle arrived to sell such equipment.
            when he saw ours, he was shocked that something was taking off.
            and ours?
            and ours fought for kickbacks, they quarreled and did NOT BUY!
            Something like this(
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 6 November 2019 22: 09
              +4
              Here's what I can say ... these bikes are like "but you can't talk on the phone", "how are you doing that something flies?" .... old, old.
              Here are just the people they say the same, but they listen \ do not listen to different!
              We saw, swam, we know ... and those camels, at one time taught, tried to teach, more precisely.
              so naf tales, objective difficulties / problems are known, but I don’t want to talk about camels.
              The facts are, a good "instrument" in reliable, skillful hands "plays its song" as it should! And "camel" is a camel.
  21. fa2998
    fa2998 6 November 2019 19: 11
    +4
    Quote: svp67
    another American plane and take possession of everything that survived ..

    From Vietnam we got the UR "Sidewinder" (got stuck in one of the planes), from Afgan - "Stinger". I think this is a common practice. Everybody pulls! hi
    1. Mityay65
      Mityay65 6 November 2019 20: 38
      +4
      Quote: fa2998
      From Vietnam we got the UR "Sidewinder" (got stuck in one of the planes), from Afghanistan - "Stinger". I think this is a widespread practice.

      Any ammunition: a shell, an ammunition, a rocket, a grenade, a torpedo, etc., used in a combat zone, quickly enough falls into the hands of the enemy. This is the law.
      Therefore, in this case there is nothing out of the ordinary. The case is quite ordinary. hi
  22. GibSoN
    GibSoN 6 November 2019 19: 19
    -8
    The Russian military was able to get an improved surface-to-air missile for study
    Already in itself started just a fire! In the Russian Federation do not know how to make rockets? Hmm .. Interesting .. Where to bring your PC to study, what would finally be able to do in the Russian Federation, at least something like that?
  23. Kaw
    Kaw 6 November 2019 19: 25
    -4
    The development of “Sling of David” began in 2007. The first division of the missile defense system took up combat duty in 2016

    And how long is the S-500 complex being built? ... and the Su-57?
  24. Deathmaker
    Deathmaker 6 November 2019 19: 25
    +2
    Agent of Putin sneaked into Israeli calculation?
  25. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 6 November 2019 19: 30
    +4
    Shot Points from the Damascus region towards the Golan Heights. Not in Israel, but in action movies. But parallel to the border and very close to it. One of the rockets exploded a kilometer from the border. Therefore, the interception was poisoned. Points could land from the Israeli side. But the angle was very unfortunate. Not towards, but almost after. Therefore, the interception failed.
    It was all the same worth trying a new system against a real goal.
    Otherwise, do not learn how to shoot.
    1. GABALIS
      GABALIS 6 November 2019 19: 36
      +1
      But the angle was very unfortunate ... laughing laughing laughing good
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 6 November 2019 19: 42
        +4
        It is impossible to catch a ballistic missile. It can only be intercepted on an oncoming intersecting course. In this case, the interception was late. Not a training ground is a real experience.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 6 November 2019 20: 47
          +1
          "Points" to the rocket ... are not new and today their characteristics are below average, ours, at least.
          Let's just say ... this class of missile is intercepted by the corresponding missile.
          Let's just say ... well, the "sling" could not, the class was not enough ... dare, catch up.
        2. Gray brother
          Gray brother 6 November 2019 22: 22
          +1
          Quote: voyaka uh
          . But the angle was very unfortunate. Not towards, but almost after.

          It is impossible to catch a ballistic missile.

          You are now exposing your servicemen as downright blunt cutters. What the fuck did they shoot at a missile they can't shoot down? Or do they have such an advanced technique that allows them to launch rockets into milk?
          Aren't you ashamed?
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 6 November 2019 22: 37
            -1
            There was a real combat use of the new missile defense system.
            Not at the training ground, but in real conditions. Which are inconvenient for the system.
            Why be ashamed? Failure gives experience.
            Allows you to reconfigure devices, software in a different way.
            1. Gray brother
              Gray brother 6 November 2019 22: 46
              0
              Quote: voyaka uh
              Allows you to reconfigure devices, software in a different way.

              Strange devices you have - the main parameters can not be calculated (course, trajectory, speed).
            2. Geo⁣
              Geo⁣ 6 November 2019 23: 21
              +6
              Quote: voyaka uh
              Allows you to reconfigure devices

              Absolutely right. And for starters, it’s worth screwing up the volume of inadequately bravura speeches. After all, having air defense, designed for self-made agricultural society, you should be much more modest and often think with your head.
        3. Geo⁣
          Geo⁣ 6 November 2019 23: 07
          +3
          Quote: voyaka uh
          It’s impossible to catch a ballistic missile

          Dear expert, the point is not ballistic hi
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 6 November 2019 23: 33
            -5
            Winged? belay
            Tactical Operational Missile Complex "Tochka" is a Soviet tactical ballistic missile.
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              1. Victor_B
                Victor_B 7 November 2019 00: 10
                -1
                Quote: Geo⁣
                The missile complex "Point" ("Point-U") is a single-stage solid fuel managed throughout the flight (it is not ballistic since it is controlled throughout the flight)

                In this case, the warheads of Satan (Yars, etc.) are also not ballistic, because they maneuver at the terminal site.
                1. Geo⁣
                  Geo⁣ 7 November 2019 00: 29
                  +1
                  When you buy ice cream, doesn’t it bother you that you also have a waffle cup in your hands?
                  These missiles move along a ballistic trajectory for most of their path. The point, unlike them, is controllable throughout the flight.
              2. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 7 November 2019 00: 15
                -6
                "is not ballistic as it is controlled throughout the flight)" ///
                ----
                I skipped physics at school, and I wonder how it is
                controlled? Than?
                Her engine runs for the first 15-20 seconds. And then
                she flies by inertia. The whole body. And not in a dense atmosphere, but in a very
                discharged. That is, aerodynamic rudders will not help.
                Gas rudders - either, because the fuel has already been exhausted.
                What does school physics say about this? winked
                1. Victor_B
                  Victor_B 7 November 2019 00: 23
                  -1
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  "is not ballistic as it is controlled throughout the flight)" ///
                  ----
                  I skipped physics at school, and I wonder how it is
                  controlled?

                  Controlled by "enemy" pedigree! laughing
                  That way and shells Escalibur and Krasnopol cease to be ballistic.
                2. Geo⁣
                  Geo⁣ 7 November 2019 00: 45
                  +3
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  aerodynamic wheels will not help

                  Count it, but the designers, you fools, didn’t know - the wheels were attached to the rocket)))).
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  Gas rudders - also not, because fuel has already been generated

                  I already gave you a link, read, so as not to disgrace further. From there:
                  The X-shaped plumage of the rocket includes 4 fixed wings (folding in transport position in pairs), 4 aerodynamic and 4 gas-jet steering wheels


                  The doctor said to the morgue, huh?)))
                  1. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh 7 November 2019 00: 54
                    -5
                    Gas-driven rudders work at the take-off stage when there is fuel.
                    Further in flight there is nothing to feed them.
                    And aerodynamic work at the terminal stage of descent.
                    The main part of the trajectory, the rocket flies like an abandoned stone,
                    on ballistics.
                    Therefore, it is called a BALLISTIC rocket. smile
                    Tactical. Short range.
                    How is she good? - very fast. Hypersonic. fellow
                    From the Point grew Iskander. Also a BALLISTIC rocket.
                    Very effective. Longer reach, higher
                    trajectory up to 50 km, higher accuracy.
                    1. xax
                      xax 7 November 2019 01: 18
                      +4
                      Quote: voyaka uh
                      The main part of the trajectory, the rocket flies like an abandoned stone,
                      on ballistics.

                      Everywhere they write that it is controllable throughout the flight. Why are you making a gag? It looks weird.
                3. xax
                  xax 7 November 2019 01: 15
                  +3
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  I skipped physics at school and am perplexed

                  And I wouldn’t be absent-minded - laughing
                4. Avior
                  Avior 7 November 2019 02: 58
                  +3
                  The point is controllable.
                  Although it flies along a trajectory close to ballistic.
                  Onboard control system [edit | edit code]
                  The missile has an autonomous, inertial airborne control system, with a gyro-stabilized platform (GSP) and an onboard digital computer complex (BTsVK). The BSU implements a terminal guidance algorithm for the target, when the incident trajectory is calculated throughout the flight and the missile is controlled until it falls to the aiming point. This distinguishes the “Point” from earlier tactical missile systems, for example 9K72 Elbrus, in which the functional guidance method is implemented - when the missile control consists in determining the moment the engine is turned off (usually after reaching a given value and direction of the rocket’s speed, the so-called “function” pseudo-speed thrust cutoffs ”), and then the rocket (or its warhead) moves along the path of a freely thrown body.
                  ..... The executive bodies of the BSU are lattice aerodynamic rudders driven by hydraulic steering machines. At the starting portion of the trajectory, when the rocket speed is insufficient for the effective action of the aerodynamic rudders, control is carried out using gas-jet rudders made of refractory tungsten alloy mounted on the same shaft with trellised ones.

                  The main element of the complex is a 9M79M (9M79-1) solid fuel ballistic missile, which has one stage. The missile is guided throughout its flight, from launch to hitting the target.

                  The combat unit does not separate at the final stage of the flight; moreover, the engine runs from launching a rocket to its meeting with a target. It has only one operating mode and during its operation burns more than 800 kilograms of fuel.
                  1. Victor_B
                    Victor_B 7 November 2019 03: 40
                    +2
                    Quote: Avior
                    moreover, the engine runs from launching a rocket to meeting it with a target. It has only one operating mode and during its operation burns more than 800 kilograms of fuel.

                    Honestly didn’t know that
                    the engine runs from launching a rocket to meeting it with the goal of

                    Thank you for not letting you die a fool!
                    But on the topic.
                    Actually, who decided that it was the Point?
                    Israelis?
                    So they lie ...
                    (Nothing personal. In war, as in war)
                    1. Avior
                      Avior 7 November 2019 03: 52
                      +3
                      Honestly, about the fact that the engine runs all the time, I have doubts, although it is written everywhere.
                      There are gas-jet rudders there, if the engine worked all the time, there would be enough of them.
                      but there are also aerodynamic ones, which suggests that the gas will not work at some point.
                      and about the fact that the Ballistic Missile Point is a very common misconception, I don’t know why.
                      1. Victor_B
                        Victor_B 7 November 2019 03: 58
                        -2
                        Quote: Avior
                        and about the fact that the Ballistic Missile Point is a very common misconception, I don’t know why.

                        Maybe because with short-term / intermittent control actions, a transition to another BALLISTIC trajectory simply takes place?
                      2. Avior
                        Avior 7 November 2019 04: 28
                        +3
                        actually, judging by the presence of x-shaped wings, this is a cruise missile.
                        but they don’t call her like that anywhere.
                        although then it would be clear how it works
                      3. Geo⁣
                        Geo⁣ 7 November 2019 08: 57
                        +1
                        Quote: Victor_B
                        Is there just a transition to another BALLISTIC trajectory?

                        Good morning! I will share my observations. On the way to work, I noticed that my car was moving along a ballistic trajectory! It’s just that at every infinitesimal moment of time it goes over to another BALLISTIC trajectory! laughing
                      4. Victor_B
                        Victor_B 7 November 2019 09: 46
                        0
                        Quote: Geo⁣
                        On the way to work, I noticed that my car was moving along a ballistic trajectory!

                        Apparently you are moving along a parabola under the action of gravity, sorry for the gravitational force directed to the center of mass of planet Earth with acceleration of gravity.
                      5. Geo⁣
                        Geo⁣ 7 November 2019 14: 37
                        +2
                        Quote: Victor_B
                        You move along the parabola

                        At every infinitesimal moment of time, the stretch of path traveled by my machine was an infinitely small part, why not, of the parabola)). It’s just that every time she switched to a different trajectory.

                        Quote: Victor_B
                        with acceleration of gravity

                        Previously, you did not care about the presence of accelerations other than g. Communicated to the body, for example, by planes that change their angle.
          2. Victor_B
            Victor_B 6 November 2019 23: 45
            -3
            Quote: Geo⁣
            Dear expert, the point is not ballistic

            I will greatly disappoint you!
            Even the Kassam rocket manufactured in the garage is ABSOLUTELY ballistic!
            When you launch a Chinese rocket for a firework, it is also a ballistic missile.
            For they follow a BALLISTIC trajectory. (If anything, then this is a parabola)
            Artillery shells fly along the same trajectory.
            1. Geo⁣
              Geo⁣ 7 November 2019 00: 09
              +4
              Quote: Victor_B
              I will greatly disappoint you!

              Quote: Victor_B
              along the BALLISTIC trajectory.

              You really upset me. I do not want to believe that the general level of reading VO is similar to yours.

              I repeat - a guided missile, which is a "point", is why it is called a guided missile, because during the flight it can change the tractor. Further develop the idea, or can you handle it yourself?
              1. Victor_B
                Victor_B 7 November 2019 00: 11
                -3
                Quote: Geo⁣
                Further thought to develop, or do you manage?

                For smart women like you, I already answered above.
              2. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 7 November 2019 00: 24
                -5
                "what can change the tractor during the flight" ////
                ----
                Develop a thought, very interesting. How can
                change its trajectory with a single-stage rocket ground-to-ground with a developed
                fuel engine, without radar, which leads it to the target (like SAM), and without
                own active radar?
                1. Victor_B
                  Victor_B 7 November 2019 00: 37
                  +2
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  How can
                  change its trajectory with a single-stage rocket ground-to-ground with a developed
                  fuel engine, without radar,

                  Well, here I slightly agree in your opponent.
                  For a long time already they've been sticking to rockets of all kinds of ZhPS and other smart heads.
                  And on the terminal, atmospheric branch of the trajectory, the control elements can be a deflected "nose" or other surfaces.
                  Well, nobody canceled just a programmable maneuver by ANN.
                  1. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh 7 November 2019 00: 46
                    -4
                    But on the Point there is none of this. Inertial and all.
                    It just flies by inertia at a speed of 5-6 MAX.
                    And gets from KVO 150-200 m
                    Due to high speed, high altitude and short
                    flight interception is difficult.
                    Little time for reaction.
                    1. Victor_B
                      Victor_B 7 November 2019 00: 48
                      0
                      Quote: voyaka uh
                      Inertial and all.

                      Well, why did they stick it there?
                      However, for correction, to get more accurate.
                      So it drives.
                      Most likely in the final section.

                      Here are those Iskanders that surely (like madly) steer.
                      1. voyaka uh
                        voyaka uh 7 November 2019 01: 05
                        -1
                        Iskander maneuvers: 1) on take-off, 2) on the terminal section.
                        And added GOS (on the photo of a stationary target?) With fine-tuning
                        on the last hundred meters. QUO is very small - 10-20 m. The missile is accurate.
                        But the high, middle part of the trajectory is still ballistic.
                      2. Victor_B
                        Victor_B 7 November 2019 01: 09
                        -2
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        But the high, middle part of the trajectory is still ballistic.

                        So I about the same!
                        My controversy with one "smart guy" boorish, who does not hold a point for a ballistic missile.
                        He (at the very bottom) has already canceled the warheads of Satan and Yars from ballistic ones.
                      3. Geo⁣
                        Geo⁣ 7 November 2019 01: 26
                        +3
                        Quote: Victor_B
                        My polemic with one "smart guy"

                        Your controversy is a consequence of the fact that you blurted out nonsense without thinking, and now the mistake to recognize the spirit is not enough.
                      4. Victor_B
                        Victor_B 7 November 2019 01: 31
                        -3
                        Quote: Geo⁣
                        Your polemic

                        (not) Dear tram boor!
                        I don’t remember something when I was drinking with you at the Brudershaft.
                        To poke me.
                      5. Geo⁣
                        Geo⁣ 7 November 2019 01: 34
                        +4
                        Quote: Victor_B
                        (not) Dear tram boor!
                        I don’t remember something when I was drinking with you at the Brudershaft.
                        To poke me.

                        And this is me as an insult. Me boor, I - in response.
                      6. Geo⁣
                        Geo⁣ 7 November 2019 01: 24
                        +4
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        But the high, middle part of the trajectory is still ballistic

                        Throughout the flight can maneuver. This info is everywhere.
                      7. Avior
                        Avior 7 November 2019 03: 14
                        0
                        not at all.
                        Two dovorota- after take-off and in front of the target.
                        the rest of the time supports a given path
                      8. Avior
                        Avior 7 November 2019 03: 12
                        +1
                        The point is similar in this respect.
                        Take off, change the angle, then in front of the target again.

                        https://topwar.ru/98434-kompleks-tochka-u-staryy-kon-vse-esche-sposobnyy-isportit-lyubuyu-borozdu.html
                    2. Avior
                      Avior 7 November 2019 03: 03
                      +1
                      it is an inertial control system.
                      actually accurately supports the initially set path and reduces the circular deviation
                2. Geo⁣
                  Geo⁣ 7 November 2019 01: 09
                  +4
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  Develop a thought, very interesting. How can
                  change its trajectory single-stage rocket ground-to-ground

                  You were so upset by the fact that people who missed school absenteeism at one time are noticeable to those around you?)) Don't be upset - everyone has their own knowledge gaps. For example, I write, here, with errors.
                  I will help you begin to make up a little melon in your education. So, for starters, you must realize that physics differs from humanitarian knowledge in that you can’t just la la here, you need to count, well, or at least figure it out. The strength of air resistance in our case is proportional to the density of the medium and squared speed. Thus, speed can help us, since its influence is much stronger than the influence of the density of the medium. Next, we put the numbers in our hands and consider how many units the density of the medium should fall so that the available speed does not help the rocket to be controlled. I think that the rocket designers, unlike you, nevertheless carried out some calculations in this direction and the aerodynamic rudders were attached to the point not for beauty laughing .

                  And yes: why do you refuse a point in gas-jet rudders from time to time? She has them!
                  1. Victor_B
                    Victor_B 7 November 2019 01: 15
                    -1
                    Quote: Geo⁣
                    For example, I write, here, with errors.

                    So do I.
                    But for me, unlike you, for some reason, spell checking in the browser constantly corrects me by emphasizing my mistakes with such a red wavy line.
                    But also I, after I send the text, just re-read and run to fix the jambs.
                    Which I advise you.
                    Then get off the literate.
                    And your tone "clever" You would somehow keep our rude one more decently.
                    Here are smarter than you and me people are.
                    1. Geo⁣
                      Geo⁣ 7 November 2019 01: 30
                      +2
                      Quote: Victor_B
                      me, unlike you, for some reason, spell checking in the browser constantly corrects me underlining my mistakes with such a red wavy line

                      What progress has come to go crazy laughing At us, on android, browsers will be dumber.
                      Quote: Victor_B
                      Here are smarter than you and me people are.

                      But I have to deal with Jewish fairy tales, for some reason, just me.
                      1. Victor_B
                        Victor_B 7 November 2019 01: 41
                        -2
                        Quote: Geo⁣
                        At us, on android, browsers will be dumber.

                        Just in Russia, by default, the Russian language is.
                        And you have some other. Mova probably.
                        Quote: Geo⁣
                        But I have to deal with Jewish fairy tales, for some reason, just me.

                        Jews "are distinguished by intelligence and quick wit."
                        I have nothing to love the warrior for, but his opinions on this article are absolutely normal.
                        Well, he justifies his furs, so I didn’t throw mud at Khmeimim when the schools were there.
                        But everything that falls down under the influence of gravity, as you do not CORRECT it, is a ballistic projectile.
                        But if he (the projectile) turns on the engine (not pushing the correction engine sideways), but the marching accelerator and works until the very goal, one can argue from this place.
                      2. Geo⁣
                        Geo⁣ 7 November 2019 02: 28
                        +1
                        Quote: Victor_B
                        everything that falls down under the influence of gravity, as you do not CORRECT - ballistic projectile

                        Satellite? It falls continuously under the influence of gravity, if you did not know. Is he a ballistic shell?
                        What about an apple?
                      3. Victor_B
                        Victor_B 7 November 2019 02: 36
                        0
                        Quote: Geo⁣
                        Satellite? It falls continuously under the influence of gravity, if you did not know. Is he a ballistic shell?

                        Absolutely ballistic.
                        Terminologically - orbital, because they fly "in a vacuum".
                        But in low orbits, they are affected by an extremely rarefied atmosphere and they lose altitude. Well, then - a ballistic or controlled (Union, Buran, Shuttle) decline.
                        Voyagers, who have left the solar system, fly "somewhere there", and if / when they are captured by the gravity of other star systems, they can fall on them under the influence of their gravity, again in a parabola.
                      4. Geo⁣
                        Geo⁣ 7 November 2019 02: 55
                        +2
                        Quote: Victor_B
                        Absolutely ballistic.

                        What does absolutely mean? Maybe something before that was not absolutely ballistic, if at the appearance of a normally ballistic example you could not resist the word "absolutely"? Maybe something before that was moving along a trajectory that was not described by a second-order curve? Come on!
                      5. Victor_B
                        Victor_B 7 November 2019 03: 08
                        0
                        Quote: Geo⁣
                        What does it mean absolutely?

                        Do not rivet. (No need to cling to words)
                        "We are being read."
                        Well, not all readers are as literate as you.
                        You may not believe it, but the real SCHOOLCHILDREN, not SCHOOL, are reading, just boys.
                        To spite you, for real schoolchildren, I will also compose such an "analogue":
                        1. We move to a "spherical" vacuum. On a "spherical horse"
                        2. "Straighten" the low-orbit trajectory. In length.
                        3. And, lo and behold! The satellite starts to lose altitude in a very long (well, just like Tallllinninn) parabola. Gradually, with increasing pressure "spinning".

                        I suggest "poke my nose" into the "quoted", incorrect / misspelled words.
                      6. Geo⁣
                        Geo⁣ 7 November 2019 03: 56
                        +1
                        "incrementally twisting work" is a spiral laughing
                      7. Victor_B
                        Victor_B 7 November 2019 04: 01
                        0
                        Quote: Geo⁣
                        "steadily spinning work"

                        I believe that just the degree of the parabola will monotonously change.
                3. Geo⁣
                  Geo⁣ 7 November 2019 02: 14
                  +4
                  Okay. I understand that for those with seam physics, usually with mathematics they are so-so. In addition to the previous answer, I’ll also help you figure out the numbers. To be sure, that I did everything I could for your admonition.
                  From the first tablet on the Internet it follows that at the maximum altitude of the point, the density of the atmosphere (even with a margin) will be a thousand times less than at the surface of the earth. Knowing the order of the dependence of air resistance on density and speed (in my previous post there is this information), it is easy to estimate that the frontal air resistance at the maximum flight altitude of the rocket at a speed of its movement in 3 mach will correspond to the resistance at the surface of the earth at a speed of about 100 km / h But at such speeds near the surface the air completely holds some airplanes, this analogy will help us to finally understand the magnitude of the pressure force on the plane that our point can have at the maximum height of its path. It is quite sufficient to ensure manageability.
                  All. Do not give thanks.
                  1. Victor_B
                    Victor_B 7 November 2019 02: 48
                    0
                    Quote: Geo⁣
                    Okay. I understand that those with physics have seams

                    Okay, I’ll give you another useful argument.
                    The Point, however, has highly developed aerodynamic surfaces. Large and characteristic.
                    In order to manage.
                    In different areas.
                    To choose from.
                    Yes, even constantly. (Although the hell would be?)
                    But not downward - it is! (From correction of the point of impact to anti-missile maneuvers).
                    But it does not cease to be ballistic from this.
                    1. Geo⁣
                      Geo⁣ 7 November 2019 03: 31
                      +3
                      Quote: Victor_B
                      But it does not cease to be ballistic from this.

                      Well, it's time to end this dialogue too. Ballistic trajectory implies the initial speed, gravity and resistance of the medium.
                      Changing the position of the control planes implies the work of some new force. Thus, in our system, when the position of the planes changes, a "syllable oe" appears, which is not characteristic of a ballistic trajectory, therefore, the ballistic trajectory ceases to be. It does not matter whether the force of the switched on engine, or the force applied to the planes - it is important that a new force manifests itself in the system, and the condition of "ballistic" trajectory ceases to be fulfilled. All.
              3. stone
                stone 7 November 2019 07: 04
                -1
                Missiles are ballistic or winged. There are no others in the world! In this case, it is certainly ballistic.
    2. Dym71
      Dym71 6 November 2019 19: 44
      +5
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Shot Points from the Damascus region towards the Golan Heights. Not in Israel, but in action movies.

      belay
      Were the Golan Knights on your paycheck covered? wink
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 6 November 2019 19: 55
        -5
        They covered their soldiers and civilians. It was impossible to calculate exactly where the BR would fall along the trajectory.
        If it were definitely known that they would explode on the territory of Syria, the missile defense would not have been activated.
        1. Dym71
          Dym71 6 November 2019 20: 16
          +5
          Quote: voyaka uh
          If it were definitely known that they would explode on the territory of Syria, the missile defense would not have been activated.

          Even if your fleece flew in? belay
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov 6 November 2019 22: 43
          +7
          Quote: voyaka uh
          They covered their soldiers

          That is, Israel chopped off another piece of Syria in alliance with the terrorists, I understand correctly?

          Quote: voyaka uh
          It was impossible to calculate exactly where the BR would fall along the trajectory.

          8))))))))))))))))))))))))
        3. Geo⁣
          Geo⁣ 6 November 2019 23: 02
          +1
          Quote: voyaka uh
          It was impossible to calculate exactly where BR would fall along the trajectory

          Physics at school was not worth skipping. Neither you, nor the creators of the trash about which the article.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 6 November 2019 23: 37
            -2
            The trash went to Russia ... laughing well, okay, if so. drinks
            1. Geo⁣
              Geo⁣ 6 November 2019 23: 47
              +1
              Quote: voyaka uh
              The trash went to Russia ...

              Everything will work out on the farm.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 6 November 2019 23: 49
                -3
                I always enjoy talking to
                educated people who know physics smile hi
                1. Geo⁣
                  Geo⁣ 6 November 2019 23: 58
                  +3
                  If this were so, you would not skip her at school
        4. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 7 November 2019 00: 06
          +4
          Quote: voyaka uh
          It was impossible to calculate exactly where the BR would fall along the trajectory.

          So actively and uncontrollably maneuvering? laughing
  26. bars1
    bars1 6 November 2019 19: 36
    +3
    The missile is called "Sharvit Ksamim" hits targets at a distance of up to 160 km. It can fight against ballistic missiles with a launch range of 300 km.
  27. garri-lin
    garri-lin 6 November 2019 19: 42
    0
    Sling of David. Sounds. There was such a pistol in "Arctania".
  28. bars1
    bars1 6 November 2019 19: 43
    +2
    Quote: fa2998
    From Vietnam we got the UR "Sidewinder" (got stuck in one of the planes),

    Here is a mistake: "Sidewinder" fell into the hands of the Chinese (and from them to us) during air battles over the Taiwan Strait.
  29. mlad
    mlad 6 November 2019 19: 47
    +1
    to receive does not mean that it will be possible to copy. With 400 already, both the Chinese and the Turks have what, do they already stamp analogs?
    1. Horon
      Horon 6 November 2019 20: 53
      +3
      It is not always necessary to copy, most often it is necessary to spy on some solutions. As for the Turkish and Chinese S-400, this is an export option and it may differ from what is used with us. They can copy, but they will not be able to repeat the characteristics of a non-export version. Rather, do their own thing. In principle, as we do when we receive foreign copies.
  30. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 6 November 2019 19: 58
    +5
    Dismantled, studied, assembled and returned, nothing new))
  31. Igorpl
    Igorpl 6 November 2019 20: 09
    +4
    Any experience needs to be explored when an opportunity turns,
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  33. L-39NG
    L-39NG 6 November 2019 20: 32
    +1
    What if it was specially "dropped" so that a copy could be made in Russia? And to fall there too? And then everything hih yes haha. And there is one who hehe
  34. Valter1364
    Valter1364 6 November 2019 20: 44
    +2
    I beg of you! Aunt Sim said that this is not a rocket! This is a neighbor's boy, Nolik fired from a slingshot!
    1. L-39NG
      L-39NG 6 November 2019 21: 49
      +1
      Oh, wey, Simochka. I am with them with all my heart, and they again face me on the table. Well, as a minister, I have nothing to do with it. and for sho me?
  35. Simfy
    Simfy 6 November 2019 20: 53
    +1
    Launch of "Tochka" from the territory of Syria, air defenses detected them, fired back ... the short range of the target was not allowed to hit the target ... an excellent result, considering that everything happened in a couple of minutes ... minus in the self-destruction system .... Right? !
    Zs it is not known the "point" or something else is flying ...
    1. Kenxnumx
      Kenxnumx 6 November 2019 22: 27
      -4
      Moreover, both points did not reach Israel.
  36. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 6 November 2019 21: 01
    +1
    fellow Gathering a collection of "gifts" In 1952, two F-86 Saber jet fighters were delivered to the Soviet Union, which during the Korean War were damaged by Soviet pilots in air battles and made an emergency landing. An attempt to copy this aircraft was unsuccessful, but some items of equipment (for example, an AIC sight with an AN / APG-30 radio range finder) were used by the USSR Air Force. In 1958, the USSR received from China two copies of the latest American air-to-air missile AIM-9 Sidewinder. They were adopted by the US Air Force in 1956, a small batch was transferred to Taiwan and used in air battles with the aircraft of the People's Liberation Army of China. One missile hit a Chinese MiG-17 fighter, but did not explode, but got stuck in the fuselage and was delivered to the airfield. Another Sidewinder was found intact on the seashore. Soviet specialists OKB-134 (now KB "Vympel") studied the design of the American missile and used the data obtained to create the K-13 aircraft missile
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 7 November 2019 00: 03
      +3
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      In 1952, two F-86 Saber fighter jets were delivered to the Soviet Union, which during the war in Korea were damaged by Soviet pilots in air battles and made an emergency landing.

      One sat in the high tide, and ours managed to pull him out literally from under the nose of the mattresses.
  37. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 6 November 2019 21: 03
    +1
    During the Vietnam War (1964-1975), a large number (over 500) of various types of weapons and military equipment were captured and transferred to the USSR by the North Vietnamese army as trophies. Among them are the F-4, F-5E, F-111 and A-37 aircraft, the UH-1H and CH-47A "Chinook" helicopters, the AIM-7 Sparrow missile. In 1982, Syria transferred the Scout tactical reconnaissance unmanned aerial vehicle to the USSR. Israeli development. These UAVs were widely used by Israel during the war in Lebanon, one of them was captured there by the Syrian army. Scout's technical solutions were used in one of the first Soviet tactical UAVs, the Pchela-1T. In the fall of 1983, the USSR unexpectedly acquired a secret low-frequency sonar antenna being developed for the US Navy. The Soviet submarine K-324 in the Sargasso Sea followed the tests of the American AN / SQR-15 underwater lighting system. Suddenly, the submarine wound about 400 m of a sonar antenna on the propeller, which was towed by an American ship. For 10 days, the US Navy ships tried to chop off the antenna. However, these attempts were unsuccessful and the K-324, along with a secret cable, was towed to a Soviet base in Cuba.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 6 November 2019 21: 07
      0
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      Suddenly, a submarine wrapped a propeller near 400 m of a sonar antenna towed by an American ship. For 10 days, US Navy ships tried to chop off the antenna. However, these attempts were unsuccessful and K-324, along with a secret cable, was towed to a Soviet base in Cuba.

      Why didn’t they excite that?
    2. Pavel57
      Pavel57 6 November 2019 21: 44
      +1
      The Sidewinder missile became the P-3C, and the Sparrow became the K-25.
    3. Avior
      Avior 7 November 2019 03: 24
      +1
      Soviet submarine K-324 in the Sargasso Sea ....

      due to overheating, it completely lost its combat effectiveness, "went deaf" and wound up on the antenna of an old American frigate.
      And although the defenders really showed interest in a piece of the antenna, which is natural, but the captain of the boat cap. 2 ranks Teryokhin V.A. after returning, they were removed from office and written off ashore.
      this can be read from Alikov, the commander of K-244.
      Alikov V.I. "K-244 in Operation Atrin"
  38. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 6 November 2019 21: 04
    +1
    In early 1987, Soviet scientists managed to get acquainted with the American portable anti-aircraft missile system (MANPADS) FIM-92 Stinger. Since the mid-1980s, these MANPADS were put into service by the Afghan Mujahideen, several copies were captured by the Soviet military and sent for study in the USSR.
    In March 1999, an unobtrusive F-117A Nighthawk tactical attack aircraft was shot down during the US and Allied operation against Yugoslavia. Subsequently, Western media have repeatedly reported that the wreckage of the aircraft was transferred to Russia and China, which used them to study American technologies for reducing radar signature ("stealth"). There has been no official confirmation by Russian officials on this matter.
  39. Novabela
    Novabela 6 November 2019 21: 12
    0
    Maybe they planted a technodesis? Direct in the wrong way, load computing and analytical resources with spam?
    Strange ... The Israelis are not fools ... Specialists would listen.
  40. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 6 November 2019 21: 15
    +1
    It would be good for Iran to transmit for study.
  41. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 6 November 2019 21: 21
    +2
    I want to tell you about what happened to the nuclear submarine - "K-324 in the Sargasso Sea. It may seem like a funny incident now, but at the very peak of the confrontation between the USSR and the United States, it could end as you like. Imagine yourself in the place of the captain of our submarine. What decision would you make then and how would you act in the situation in which the heroes of our story found themselves.In 1983, Washington launched a military operation against the friendly Soviet Union Republic of Grenada. The authorities of this country wanted to take a course towards building communism and rapprochement with the USSR. The US marines landed on a small island in the Caribbean, and Moscow dispatched a Soviet submarine K-324 to the area of ​​hostilities, carrying nuclear-powered cruise missiles, to monitor the enemy base. and the general situation in the region. After completing the assignment, K-324 joined the fishing vessel in order to escape unnoticedfrom the battle area - they always do this so as not to get into the enemy's radar coverage area. But this ship, as luck would have it, turned out to be a disguised anti-submarine frigate "Macloy" of the US Navy. The American warship had a secret submarine detection complex. The experimental cable trailed behind him hundreds of meters deep under water. A capsule with an ultra-modern sonar was attached to it. The Soviet submarine touched the cable with the sensors of the sonar antenna of the American ship with a screw. The K-324 turbine immediately failed - the propeller got entangled in the cable. The submarine tore off the submarine detection complex, but could not move. The Americans did not immediately discover that their equipment was lost, but only the next day, when they returned to base. Our submarine had to surface. On the surface, the sailors were caught in the epicenter of a tropical hurricane. The submarine tried several times to submerge, but unsuccessfully - the equipment failed. But as luck would have it, a Canadian passenger airliner noticed the K-324 on the high seas. The pilot relayed information about the drifting submarine to the NATO base. Two United States warships, the Peterson and the Nicholson, moved towards it. They began to clamp it in pincers in order to squeeze the boat into their territorial waters and attack it there. But then they realized that the boat could not move. The destroyers tried to hook the antenna cable with hooks. Military helicopters were constantly circling over the Soviet submarine. In the book "History of underwater espionage against the USSR," American historians say that the submarine "Philadelphia" was maneuvering from below the Soviet submarine. She managed to hook the sonar. Two submarines with atomic weapons on board began to pull the cable. The armored cable burst. But on the K-324 propellers, 400 meters of the secret antenna remained. From Moscow they ordered an encryption: to keep the trophy at all costs.
    1. svp67
      svp67 7 November 2019 04: 31
      0
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      I want to tell you about what happened to the nuclear submarine - "K-324 in the Sargas Sea.

      You know, in those days, both sides had such "successes". At the Pacific Fleet our "fishermen", "purely by chance", fishing not far from the area of ​​the US Navy's exercises, caught and stole from them a practical torpedo Mk-48 right under the noses of the American sailors. So, purely "by accident", from our test site, at the same time, several new sea mines that passed the stage of military tests and did not have time to be eradicated after installation, due to bad weather ... Soon our military intelligence sent a photo of these mines in one of the American arsenals ... And how many of their submarines were pulled from the bottom, in the area of ​​our Kuru training ground. The appearance of GU GI here is not accidental, it was an alternative answer to all of their "expeditions"
  42. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 6 November 2019 21: 23
    +3
    The critical situation developed on November 5, 1983. The Americans are ready for the assault K-324! The commander of the Soviet submarine Vadim Terekhin armed the personnel and ordered to keep the defense in the event of an American attack. The submarine was even prepared for an explosion. At that moment, the rescue ship Aldan approached our submarine. The Americans began to shoot equipment with a carbine so that he could not come to the aid of a distressed submarine. But the emergency K-324 was still towed to the shores of Cuba. On Liberty Island, the screw was freed from the cable. The secret cable was sent on a special flight to Moscow for study. Soviet submariners obtained the most important information about American military equipment
    After the repair, the Soviet submarine continued its combat duty in the Sargasso Sea. Only in 1984 did the boat return to its homeland. In 2000, she was expelled from the combat strength of the fleet and sent for recycling. Many official documents about the case of K-324 in the Sargasso Sea are still classified.
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  43. arcgrz
    arcgrz 6 November 2019 21: 37
    +3
    kaput to the Jews .. moreover, they’ll also expel us from Israel!
    ... for the bandits have no place in holy places.
  44. Pavel57
    Pavel57 6 November 2019 21: 41
    0
    A rare trophy.
  45. xax
    xax 6 November 2019 22: 38
    +4
    Israeli anti-missile defense system "David's Sling" fired two anti-missiles

    but could not clearly secure the target. As a result, one interceptor missile fell on Syrian territory, the other, having lost its "target", self-destructed.

    And where is this stern Jewish armament specialist who recently rubbed about the fact that Russian systems, they say, are somehow unknowingly experiencing? This scrap with the name of David - has anyone ever experienced anything? Did the creators generally expect that it would really be applied, or is it purely for sale?
    And yes - the "secrets" of such a "super-effective" anti-missile are hardly worth the gasoline, which was devoured by the equipment that might have been rolling to lift this fallen trash.
  46. Whisper
    Whisper 6 November 2019 22: 59
    +2
    Say David!
  47. Paranoid50
    Paranoid50 6 November 2019 23: 58
    +4
    It smacks of anti-Semitism. laughing
    1. Dym71
      Dym71 7 November 2019 00: 24
      +3
      Quote: Paranoid50
      It smacks of anti-Semitism.

      fellow
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 7 November 2019 00: 47
        +4
        How sweet.
  48. Geo⁣
    Geo⁣ 7 November 2019 00: 11
    +1
    Quote: Victor_B
    Quote: Geo⁣
    The missile complex "Point" ("Point-U") is a single-stage solid fuel managed throughout the flight (it is not ballistic since it is controlled throughout the flight)

    In this case, the warheads of Satan (Yars, etc.) are also not ballistic, because they maneuver at the terminal site.

    Does it shock you?
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B 7 November 2019 00: 30
      0
      Quote: Geo⁣
      Does it shock you?

      More than!
      I can’t eat! (WITH) tongue
  49. Al Asad
    Al Asad 7 November 2019 00: 26
    +1
    Well, if Spike had a rocket in the same form, it would have been a success. In the field of air defense, all the same, Russia is doing great
  50. Evil 55
    Evil 55 7 November 2019 01: 23
    -1
    Some shy hard worker in the uniform of a forester and a wide stripe on his trousers will definitely receive the title of "Hero of Russia" ..
    1. dmitrich
      dmitrich 7 November 2019 05: 20
      +1
      and what makes you so sad!