The United States entered the fight for the Ukrainian Motor Sich

The United States entered the battle for the Ukrainian company Motor Sich. According to The Wall Street Journal, citing official sources, Donald Trump's unofficial adviser Eric Prince, who is also the founder of the private military company Academi (formerly Blackwater), began negotiations on the purchase of the Ukrainian company.

According to the publication, the White House administration turned to Prince and another private individual about the acquisition of the Ukrainian Motor Sich enterprise. Thus, Washington wants to hinder the sale of the company to China, and Beijing itself to deprive it of the receipt of the defense technologies it needs so much in engine manufacturing.

Eric Prince has already visited Ukraine, discussed the acquisition with the Ukrainian authorities and visited the company's main plant. The publication notes that he is interested in acquiring Motor Sich, but Prince declined to comment. A spokeswoman for Frontier Services Group confirmed that Prince "wants to invest in Ukraine." The Ukrainian company and the Ukrainian government declined to comment, citing national security issues.

Earlier it was reported that China intends to acquire the Ukrainian company Motor Sich, which is one of the leaders in engine building for aviation technicians. In August of this year, the then adviser to Donald Trump, John Bolton, was already arriving in Kiev to dissuade Zelensky from selling Motor Sich to the Chinese.

In Ukraine itself, there is no official decision to sell the company; the Antimonopoly Committee of Ukraine has not yet made its decision. At the same time, according to representatives of the Ukrainian government, the Chinese consortium actually acquired Motor Sich by transferring payments and establishing control over offshore companies, which together constitute a controlling stake in the manufacturer.

Comments

[Avior]

and to whom will the American Motor Sich sell engines? To China? And the rest of the little things?
Other options do not seem to be visible

[cniza]

No one, the enterprise will disappear.

[Avior]

or the Chinese will be pinched by obligations not to withdraw production from Ukraine, to leave everything in place.
This is a private factory, and they already paid the owner actually.

[cniza]

Quote: Avior

This is a private factory, and they already paid the owner actually.

Is this when the United States once embarrassed or stopped.

[Avior]

It’s unlikely that they will go to war. and obviously they won’t bomb.
Now the question is whether the Chinese gave enough money to those who decide to approve the deal so that greed overcomes fear of the Americans.

[cniza]

I don’t think it will help, there the USA rules the ball.

[Hlavaty]

Quote: Avior

It’s unlikely that they will go to war.

Will go "hybrid" war.
The article missed the most "tasty": Eric Prince is the owner of one of the coolest PMCs in the world. The one that was previously called Blackwater, and now Academi. And the Frontier Services Group is another of his logistics companies.
So, if Prince joins Motor Sich, then Zaporozhye will become a closed city in the "best" Soviet traditions - his PMC will take control of everything. And there are many interesting things.

[cniza]

You know, I’ll add they’ve already gone, or rather they have never stopped.

[Avior]

very unrealistic.
Motor Sich is not a city-forming enterprise in Zaporozhye, it is just one of the factories.

[Hlavaty]

And what does the "city-forming enterprise" have to do with it?
We are talking about the fact that PMC Prince will get a legitimate reason to settle in Zaporozhye. And who is the city-forming person and how to bend it will be sorted out on the spot. Experience they do not occupy.

[Avior]

What is a legitimate excuse? what are you talking about? Where is PMC and where is the enterprise ...
And the owners of the remaining enterprises, therefore, will not react in any way?
Funny ...

[Hlavaty]

Quote: Avior

What is a legitimate excuse? what are you talking about? Where are PMCs and where is the enterprise.

Yes, very simple. Prince buys the plant and enters into an agreement with his own PMC to protect the plant and top management. PMC creates a base in Zaporozhye and begins to crush the rest. The most banal raiding, impossible without power support.

What the Ukrainian oligarchs have been doing since 2014 is creating their own "battalions" (for example, Kolomoisky "Dnepr", "Dnepr-1", etc.). And then these battalions, which were tested in the Donbass, took up the power support of ordinary raiding.

Quote: Avior

And the owners of the remaining enterprises, therefore, will not react in any way?
Funny ...

They will respond of course. But what can they oppose to an American company, which will have political support from the US Embassy and power support in the form of PMCs?
And there is nothing funny about it. Take an interest in what scale of raiding in present Ukraine.

[Avior]

Prince buys the plant and enters into an agreement with his own PMC to protect the plant and top management.

does not conclude, do not allow this Ukrainian laws

What the Ukrainian oligarchs have been doing since 2014 is creating their own "battalions" (for example, Kolomoisky "Dnepr", "Dnepr-1", etc.). And then these battalions, which were tested in the Donbass, took up the power support of ordinary raiding.

and they will calmly watch as the American crushes the property of their sponsors?

They will respond of course. But what can they oppose to an American company, which will have political support from the US Embassy and power support in the form of PMCs?

and you did not write anything above?
some Dnepr-1 veterans or Azov with absolutely legal weapons will come, and what, will he run to the ambassador to complain?

And there is nothing funny about it. Take an interest in what scale of raiding in present Ukraine.

I know. there is nothing close to what you describe, these times are long gone, now no more than in Russia.

[Hlavaty]

Quote: Avior

concludes an agreement with its own PMC on the protection of the plant and top management.

does not conclude, do not allow this Ukrainian laws

Well, it’s generally no problem to register a Ukrainian security company or buy an existing one.

Quote: Avior

and they will calmly watch as the American crushes the property of their sponsors?

Well, of course, they will be worried, they will try to do something, they will be measured by "roofs". It seems to me that Prince's "roof" may be cooler. He works for the State Department, NSA, US Department of Defense and large multinational corporations. As you understand the connections - the sea.

Quote: Avior

some Dnepr-1 veterans or Azov with absolutely legal weapons will come, and what, will he run to the ambassador to complain?

No, he will simply make a few calls and a crowd of local politicians will run to arrange a merry life for the owners of the "veterans", and the security forces will simply start knitting the "veterans" themselves. As a battalion "Tornado" full complement packed on bunks and have been sitting for more than a year.

Quote: Avior

I know. there is nothing close to what you describe, these times are long gone, now no more than in Russia.

Oh yeah! I see which one in the "course". Now you will start talking about democracy and Zelensky's "team of young reformers" ...
If I recognize a Ukrainian "patriot", then I can compare with Russia. And of course, Ukraine is better ... well, in extreme cases, not worse.

Only one question: why on October 17, Zelensky signed the law abolishing the "List of enterprises not subject to privatization"? And there are so many interesting things - the entire rocket and aviation industry as well.
Now everything is for sale. So a great redistribution of property is coming.
This does not happen without external big players.

[Avior]

You are very far from Ukrainian realities.
Forget the scenarios you described are unrealistic.

[Hlavaty]

Here is a direct link to an article about Blackwater that came to our discussion:
https://riafan.ru/1225797-tysyachi-amerikanskikh-naemnikov-iz-blackwater-pomogayut-ssha-krast-neft-sirii

Quote from the article:

For more than 20 years, American PMCs - and above all Blackwater Eric Prince - have been an indispensable tool for the United States to control and plunder the occupied regions of the Middle East. Remaining invulnerable to both American and local justice, Blackwater PMC employees have been participating in US military operations for many years, allowing the Pentagon to "not dirty its hands" by killing civilians or directly seizing valuables in invaded countries.

[Avior]

Ukraine is not in the Middle East.
I understand your ideas about Ukraine at the FAN level.
This is a common propaganda resource.
it’s the same as some Ukrainian nationalist discussing Russia under articles in the Censor. A waste of time.

[antivirus]

bend over the "non-stumbling" - The officials need a document - they won't give it. and collect as Volvo - only ready to receive from the outskirts ???
to ask for help from fraternal amers is not to milk the Russian Federation.
everything will be unique - the giver’s hand will be beaten. ONLY ONE HAND OF AMERUS HAS THE RIGHT ..

[K-612-O]

Yeah, now creative Ze nationalizes him, if Boguslaev rests, for the same offshore, which mattresses can freeze into his lungs. And write letters. Moreover, in this embodiment, the office will be handed over for a penny

[sir.jonn]

Quote: cniza

No one, the enterprise will disappear.

This scenario is most consistent with US policy on the disposal of Soviet legacy.

[Avior]

For Americans, yes.
but the Chinese also have their own interest.

[cniza]

This is so, but it will be difficult for the Chinese to fight against the United States in Ukraine.

[cniza]

Not only Soviet, but any competitor.

[seti]

Quote: cniza

No one, the enterprise will disappear.

Believe me, it will be better for us. The main thing for us is to establish the production of what we still buy from him. And to save those personnel who are ready to work in the Russian Federation and not in China or the country 4о4.

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: seti

Quote: cniza

No one, the enterprise will disappear.

Believe me, it will be better for us. The main thing for us is to establish the production of what we still buy from him. And to save those personnel who are ready to work in the Russian Federation and not in China or the country 4о4.

They say that they have already established production.

Currently, the production program of the enterprise is noticeably expanding, and in recent years - at a particularly rapid pace. Today, mass production allows the company to produce up to 500 engines per year.

"We have completely gone from dependence on the Ukrainian company Motor Sich. We are absolutely independent for the entire range of Klimov's development and projects that the company previously worked on together with Ukraine," says Vatagin. It was Motor Sich that was the flagship of the motor industry for many years in the Soviet Union and in Europe. He created most of all engines for military, transport and civil aviation. But since 2014 (when the famous events took place in Kiev), the volume of Russian orders for the company has decreased tenfold.

At the moment, we do not see the future of Motor Sich. It was once the flagship of the engine industry, a plant with the best equipment, which housed the production of the most massive engines. But time is ticking. It is merciless. Equipment and technology are becoming obsolete. The limited market and the political events that have taken place definitely have a detrimental effect on Motor Sich. Today it is far from being a flagship and cannot be compared with the Russian engine-building industry.
Alexander Vatagin
Executive Director of JSC "UEC-Klimov"

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/7012868?from=turbo_teaser

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

They say that they have already established production.

Only on helicopter engines - and even not all.
From the article on your link:

Vatagin admits that the Ukrainian enterprise still has separate competencies for large engines - D-18T, D-36 and D-436, but this "is not something unique and super modern." “Historically, all production was there,” he adds.

“Now we are faced with the task of closing the entire line of gas turbine engines for helicopters, with the exception of large motors for the Mi-26 helicopter. Because the dimension we are focused on does not allow us to engage in such an engine,” says the executive director of UEC-Klimov.

[NEXUS]

Quote: cniza

No one, the enterprise will disappear.

The purchase of Motor Sich mattresses is a guarantee that it will never rise again.

[atalef]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: cniza

No one, the enterprise will disappear.

The purchase of Motor Sich mattresses is a guarantee that it will never rise again.

Do you know how many enterprises or large shares in them the Americans own in Russia?
So what ? Has it disappeared?

[NEXUS]

Quote: atalef

Do you know how many enterprises or large shares in them the Americans own in Russia?

In the defense? Is the share so critical that mattresses can destroy businesses?

[atalef]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: atalef

Do you know how many enterprises or large shares in them the Americans own in Russia?

In the defense? Is the share so critical that mattresses can destroy businesses?

And what is the Sich motor?
Private enterprise.
And out of touch?
Tula, Chelyabinsk, etc. etc. Russian defense enterprises have already bankrupt and more than once - and not the Americans, but their own.
And what has changed?
Decommissioned enterprise can always nationalize the state. Free, if it wants.
So what's the problem ?

[NEOZ]

Quote: atalef

Decommissioned enterprise can always nationalize the state. Free, if it wants.
So what's the problem ?

so it’s so, so who will give it to him?

[Hlavaty]

Quote: atalef

Decommissioned enterprise can always nationalize the state. Free, if it wants.
So what's the problem ?

In the state.

[Lopatov]

Quote: atalef

Do you know how many enterprises or large shares in them the Americans own in Russia?
So what ? Has it disappeared?

In Russia, they do not have the habit of doing what they do in Ukraine.
For example, to sell "Kolchuga" first to Iran, and then to Israel, so that the latter can learn how to deal with these complexes.
So it is here. The purchase of the enterprise by the Americans does not mean at all that the Ukrainians will not merge the "USSR legacy" with the Chinese. This means that the Americans will simply be forced to prevent this.

[Antares]

Quote: Spade

In Russia, they do not have the habit of doing what they do in Ukraine.
For example, to sell "Kolchuga" first to Iran, and then to Israel, so that the latter can learn how to deal with these complexes.

of course.
Sale of fighters to China and air defense to India.
Sale of weapons to India and Pakistan.
Sale of weapons to Azerbaijan and Armenia.
No habit, but the "neighbor's cow" is eternal.
We are not like THEY.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Antares

We are not like THEY.

Exactly. "We are not like them."
We did not sell 10 air defense systems to India, and one to Pakistan, and even with all the documentation so that they could learn how to deal with it. This is the Ukrainian version. (see "Kolchuga")

[Lelek]

Quote: atalef

Do you know how many enterprises or large shares in them the Americans own in Russia?

They do not own, but take part and do not play decisive roles. In the defense industry, corporations of the United States take part as suppliers of components, and recently their role has decreased significantly due to sanctions and import substitution. Enterprises in Russia are owned by American firms such as McDonald's, Coca-Cola, etc., which does not affect the state of the Russian defense industry and security.

[ZAV69]

Quote: atalef

So what ? Has it disappeared?

Yes, a lot of things have disappeared. The same ZIL, Azlk, watch factories, machine tools, all electronics in Zelenograd. It is not necessary to own shares, it is enough to create conditions and push.
There were as many small defense plants in the suburbs as Moscow, shopping centers went bankrupt.
Everything was online, just too lazy to look.

[atalef]

Quote: ZAV69

Quote: atalef

So what ? Has it disappeared?

Yes, a lot of things have disappeared. The same ZIL, Azlk, watch factories, machine tools, all electronics in Zelenograd. It is not necessary to own shares, it is enough to create conditions and push.
There were as many small defense plants in the suburbs as Moscow, shopping centers went bankrupt.
Everything was online, just too lazy to look.

Well, if so, how do you differ from them?

[smart ass]

Only technology is needed from the enterprise

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: cniza

No one, the enterprise will disappear.

It's time to raise a glass for the "peace of mind" of the enterprise, amen.

[Pete mitchell]

I'm still wildly interested, but whoever does not agree has a different vision of the situation? Suggest, I think many will be interested

[RUSS]

Quote: cniza

No one, the enterprise will disappear.

Regarding the closure of enterprises ...

An aluminum plant in Karelia, closed due to sanctions, offers to mine cryptocurrency. The company, created with the participation of the Internet ombudsman of Russia, will place equipment for mining cryptocurrencies at a closed aluminum plant in Karelia. The plant was closed by Rusal after the imposition of US sanctions. The sanctions were later lifted, but the plant is still not working.
Dmitry Marinichev, Plenipotentiary under the President of Russia for Internet Affairs, told RBC about the opening of an enterprise for the production of bitcoins on the territory of the Nadvoitsky aluminum plant. “Our idea is to repurpose the plant and sell its computing power as a service,” he said.

[Vend]

Quote: Avior

and to whom will the American Motor Sich sell engines? To China? And the rest of the little things?
Other options do not seem to be visible

The GTS was not profitable, they decided to grab Motor Sich, but even here they would run into Russia Leopard change his spots.

[sir_obs]

Other options do not seem to be visible

Euro-Ukrainians will take money from both of them, and then it turns out that there’s nothing to sell.
As the saying goes, "when the Jews went to Israel, the Khokhls were already returning from there"

[Potato]

To nobody. Neither to myself nor to people.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Avior

and to whom will the American Motor Sich sell engines? To China? And the rest of the little things?
Other options do not seem to be visible

The Januses can buy out Motor Sich and immediately sell it out or bankrupt it so that the plant does not go to China. Option two, a warming relationship with Russia. In this case, bankruptcy is also suitable, the engine for Russia will not be manufactured.

[TermNachTer]

And it is not bought for the production of engines, but for destruction. Now in the world 3 countries (4 factories) produce high-power aircraft engines. Including "Motor", when the mattress covers become the owners, 3 factories will remain. Rolls Royce, Pratt & Whitney and General Electric. I think they will not spare money to remove a competitor. In the summer, Max Polyakov, an American businessman of Zaporozhye origin, came to visit. Now the next one has been sent.

[Greg Miller]

The United States does not need Motor Sich itself, they want China not to get Motor Sich ... The complete liquidation of Motor Sich is what the United States would like ideally ...

[cniza]

Yeah, so they will bury him quietly.

[seti]

Quote: Greg Miller

The United States does not need Motor Sich itself, they want China not to get Motor Sich ... The complete liquidation of Motor Sich is what the United States would like ideally ...

Well, here our interests and those of the United States coincide. You need to understand that Motor Sich is not a Russian company, although it was created not without our participation. It is currently located in hostile territory under the control of a foreign government .. China, if it gets control over this enterprise, will become a real thunderbolt for us in the foreseeable future in an understandable place. Better this enterprise disappears so it will be better for us.

[dauria]

Well, here our interests and those of the United States coincide.

That is, the option to return Russian lands to Russia is, in principle, not even considered in the future. They survived ... The Chinese and Americans are fighting over a piece of Russian land. And what next? Kazakhs with Azerbaijan, probably. But both labor and the krovushka have been tumbled down for generations.

[NEOZ]

Quote: dauria

That is, the option to return Russian lands to Russia is, in principle, not even considered in the future.

only scorched earth will be returned to us ... there will be no valuable assets on it!
even people on this earth will be sick: with suicidal attitudes / sick / stupid / etc.

Quote: dauria

And what next? Kazakhs with Azerbaijan, probably.

Azerbaijanis have long been spinning shura-mura with the Turks ...

Quote: dauria

But both labor and the krovushka have been tumbled down for generations.

Well, it happens ... life is a dangerous thing!

[seti]

Quote: dauria

Well, here our interests and those of the United States coincide.

That is, the option to return Russian lands to Russia is, in principle, not even considered in the future. They survived ... The Chinese and Americans are fighting over a piece of Russian land. And what next? Kazakhs with Azerbaijan, probably. But both labor and the krovushka have been tumbled down for generations.

We will return the earth - I personally have no doubt about it. I doubt only the timing. But you need to think not only about the future, but about what will happen today / tomorrow. Just in the future you need to learn the lesson taught - the most important enterprises should be only in indigenous Russia. And not on the outskirts.

[Karabin]

Quote: dauria

That is, the option to return Russian lands to Russia is, in principle, not even considered in the future. They survived ... The Chinese and Americans are fighting over a piece of Russian land.

And who else considers these lands Russian? Judging by +/- at the moment, under your comment, half of the local patriots recognize them for some kind of Ukraine. And the more patriotic the patriot, the fatter the minus.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Karabin

And the more patriotic the patriot, the fatter the minus.

Now the multiputlermen will attack, they will talk about greatness, putriatism, glorious victories and achievements over the past 20 years, lay out the commentary on atoms, with meaningless stupid explanations, dirtied the branch and encouraged by this action, they will draw minuses
I can’t understand what happened to the site in a year and a half

[Sling cutter]

seti (Matvey Livanov) To go nuts! So don’t get to anyone else ... And will you also write about Khrunichev’s NGO?

[seti]

What does the NGO Khrunichev have to do with it? It’s kind of like in Moscow ..
A motor sich in Zaporozhye. Not under our control now, if anything .. And if this territory returns to us with this enterprise, then it will be scorched earth. Do you disagree?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: seti

Better this enterprise disappears so it will be better for us.

Yes, your thought is very reasonable.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Greg Miller

The United States does not need Motor Sich itself, they want China not to get Motor Sich ... The complete liquidation of Motor Sich is what the United States would like ideally ...

Another option is to redesign the production for production of Boeing products (not its most high-tech parts). But in this case, the design departments and pilot production of Sich will remain out of work. Our design bureau will be able to profit.

[Avior]

unrealistic. easier to demolish and rebuild elsewhere.

[Sailor]

This would have been possible if noisy had not dropped to the level of Somalia. When, for example, Old Man was bargaining with us about the possible sale of MAZ, he insisted, among other things, on the provision by Russia of plans for the development of the plant. Do you think that horses now can demand something from the USA or China? Died so dead!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Polite Elk

Our design bureau will be able to profit.

I think that for a long time efficient specialists have been living and working in Russia.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: tihonmarine

I think that for a long time efficient specialists have been living and working in Russia.

I do not argue. Now, with the loss of jobs, there will come a line of hesitant and forced to work there.

[Servisinzhener]

I very much doubt this option. Especially considering Trump's Buy American Hire Americans policy that he claims and most importantly he is implementing. Maybe, of course, some minor pieces of iron will be sharpened for Boeing. For the production of which you will need several processing centers, a small workshop and a couple of dozen people. But certainly not to manufacture engines. That's what P&W and GE are for.

[NEOZ]

Quote: Servisinzhener

That's what P&W and GE are for.

that's for sure...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Polite Elk

Another option is to redesign the production for production of Boeing products (not its most high-tech parts).

This is from the "Science Fiction" section. They can repurpose for the manufacture of luminescent pans. The children of the Great American Lakes will not step on the same rake the USSR stepped on.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: tihonmarine

This is from the "Science Fiction" section.

Below I wrote my opinion on the possible reasons for the expediency of preserving part of the production with the proud prefix "Avia".

[alexmach]

Another option is to reassign production to production of Boeing products (not its most high-tech parts)

Firstly, what other non-technological part can be in an airplane engine?
secondly, the point is to take out part of the production from America to Europe then?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Polite Elk

Another option is to redesign the production for production of Boeing products (not its most high-tech parts).

And this we passed in the 80s: Western investors will come and fill us with orders, because we have such experienced personnel. How it ended - remember yourself.
It is cheaper and more profitable for the West to expand production in China and Southeast Asia. And it’s cheaper to have a dozen Chinese people screwing each in its own screw, than one specialist who knows where to screw which screw.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Alexey RA

And this we passed in the 80s: Western investors will come and fill us with orders, because we have such experienced personnel. How it ended - remember yourself.

I remember very well. But, this sweet word "Freebie" and "Abroad will help us" lives and wins. Especially vna.

Quote: Alexey RA

It is cheaper and more profitable for the West to expand production in China and Southeast Asia.

That was until recently. So far, China has not shown its teeth. Now, the PSs (their president, in any case), on the contrary, want to localize many industries at home.
And one more thing: taking into account the interest of the Chinese in the plant, I can fully assume that they could offer the preservation of jobs as one of the conditions of the deal. So it’s easier for the sellers to explain to the people why the factory is being sold. P-myself in this case will have to do the same. In order not to cause dissatisfaction with the destruction of a high-tech enterprise, I personally consider it expedient to launch on it the production of some nameplates for Boeing engines or packaging materials for them. A hungry dog ​​sometimes needs to roll bones.
This is all my personal opinion. How will it be in reality - we'll see.

[atalef]

Quote: Greg Miller

The United States does not need Motor Sich itself, they want China not to get Motor Sich ... The complete liquidation of Motor Sich is what the United States would like ideally ...

Well, you just have to rejoice from this.
In general, you do not understand the Sidorovs.
Then you all want Ukraine to fall apart, and when America seems to be involved in this, you no longer like it.

[Hagalaz]

So there are no funeral comments then People quite adequately state the prospect.

[mark1]

The great Soviet heritage is being kicked in - female dogs with low social responsibility!

[Greg Miller]

The owner of Motor Sich, Vyacheslav Boguslaev, is already 81 years old, and as I understand it, he does not want to leave the company with a desire to leave the company, realizing that he will not be able to manage it. So he is looking for someone to shake off the still valuable Soviet groundwork in the field of aircraft engine building.

[K-612-O]

Well, he bury him, with music. The Chinese may still have something saved, but these guys will clean up so that there is no trace left.

[Greg Miller]

In any case, Motor Sich is doomed in Ukraine. He would have had a chance if Putin in 2014 did not confine himself to Crimea, but would return the entire South-East of Ukraine to Russia ... including Zaporozhye ...

[NEOZ]

Quote: Greg Miller

He would have had a chance if Putin hadn’t confined himself to Crimea in 2014, but would have returned the entire South-East of Ukraine to Russia ... including Zaporozhye ...

there were very high costs ... I think it's cheaper to import ...
Unfortunately...

[Greg Miller]

Quote: NEOZ

Quote: Greg Miller

He would have had a chance if Putin hadn’t confined himself to Crimea in 2014, but would have returned the entire South-East of Ukraine to Russia ... including Zaporozhye ...

there were very high costs ... I think it's cheaper to import ...
Unfortunately...

Well, yes, in this case the main disadvantage was that in this case many "Russian", or rather offshore, billionaire cellists would simply become cellists ...

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Greg Miller

Well, yes, in this case, the main cost was ...

... I really want some normal, good such, full-scale war between the Russian Federation and Ukraine.

Five years have passed, but no - at the slightest occasion (without reason, by the way, too), the usual sounds:

Quote: Greg Miller

... if Putin in 2014 was not limited to Crimea, but ...

Maybe calm down already, "dear colleagues"?

[Greg Miller]

Write nonsense ... What kind of war? How many Ukraine and Russia have won over Crimea ??? Do you know what you want? I would like to eliminate the anti-Russian state of Ukraine ...

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Greg Miller

Write nonsense ...

Brad you write and others like you "Svarogi".

Come on in ... I've seen enough of such clever people in five years ... abound.

Quote: Greg Miller

I would like to eliminate the anti-Russian state of Ukraine ...

Go and liquidate

Quote: Greg Miller

In the race of degradation of defense industries, and of the entire machine-building industry as a whole, Ukraine is certainly ahead of Russia, but the vectors of "development" are absolutely the same ... That's why I say that we shouldn't laugh at Ukraine, we are going the same way, of course we lag behind Ukraine, but we go there too

... you are our multi-vector

[Karabin]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Maybe calm down already, "dear colleagues"?

Of course it's time to calm down. Well, the Yankees drove from Little Russia here with piss rags, so what?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Karabin

Of course it's time to calm down

So calm down.

Quote: Karabin

Well drove the Yankees from Little Russia eref

Was there a Russian Federation? When, do not remind?

Thank Lenin’s grandfather. For gifts to Ukrainian brothers, with a wide shoulder

[Karabin]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Was there a Russian Federation? When, do not remind?

Sorry, I forgot that for Erefyan patriots the story begins in 1991.

Quote: Golovan Jack

Thank Lenin’s grandfather.

Yes, yes, I am aware of the bomb planted by Ilyich. Inveterate was Saperyshche, Putin only now shrug his hands. Well, I couldn’t, I didn’t get a landmine, at least crack.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Karabin

i forgot that

You forgot that this territory was transferred to Ukraine ... Ilyich. And not Leonid, but Vladimir.

Quote: Karabin

for Erefyan patriots, the story begins in 1991

That Ilyich died in 1924. So to whom you are addressing this - I do not understand.

Quote: Karabin

I couldn’t, mine is not removed, even crack

Laurels of Svarogo-Stroporez do not give rest? IMHO in vain, you can’t catch them in any way, seasoned ... human beings

[Karabin]

Quote: Greg Miller

if Putin hadn’t limited himself to Crimea in 2014, but would have returned the entire South-East of Ukraine to Russia.

Does he need it? Imagine what the brow heads would have begun. A bunch of people, industry, mines. Optimize and optimize. Here in eref they were already tortured to swallow dust with the Soviet legacy, and also the South-East. Again, partners are unhappy, even though Crimea back and forth. So Putin weighed everything sensibly, figured that the MutkoMedvedevs (and Putin has no others) would not bear the hardships of industrial policy, and rushed to tear to Syria. There are neither mines nor motor sich, but what the barmalei optimized. Sand. Beauty!

[Horon]

The Chinese, having pulled out the technology from Motor Sich, will immediately bury it! This is a competitor for some that for others!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: K-612-O

The Chinese may still have something saved, but these guys will clean up so that there is no trace left.

Excluded. Why should all the materials be kept at distant lands, so that they would be devastated along the way. It’s easier to build new buildings (they will do it at the moment) for the remaining specialists and take the necessary equipment. And their workers will be provided with work. Neither China nor the states need a plant (and another technological enterprise) in Ukraine.

[Avior]

he already found. To the Chinese.
The question is whether they will not even allow him to do this, but simply to delay the process, as I understand it.
I do not really believe that suddenly Boguslaev changes his mind and starts selling to Americans, he has already received the money.
But the fact that the Chinese will not be allowed to become real owners for a very long time, I can believe it.

[mark1]

Sometimes I envy - why we (say at NTK named after Kuznetsov) didn’t have such a leader, you look at the output were used NK-93, and NK-44 and NK-56, and (and suddenly) ship engines based on NK-12 . But apparently the ultimate strength and he came.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: mark1

But apparently the ultimate strength and he came.

The limit may have come, but rather it is forced to sell. You yourself will sketch how it is done. How many directors of factories, leading designers, heads of research institutes in Russia in the "growling 90s" were rolled into asphalt.

[mark1]

Quote: tihonmarine

but rather, he is forced to sell.

They force, force, force ... it is not so easy to force such people to something, but they see the lack of perspective.

[cniza]

The United States entered the fight for the Ukrainian Motor Sich

No, they will simply destroy it, but they will not give it to the Chinese.

[rocket757]

Quote: cniza

No, they will simply destroy it, but they will not give it to the Chinese.

Hello Victor
Bang, this is understandable ... but where did the money come from, Zin ???

[cniza]

They will be taken from the Ukrainians, they will not spend their money. Greetings!

[rocket757]

Quote: cniza

They will be taken from the Ukrainians, they will not spend their money.

Of course, they know how to twist and squeeze minke whales ... but still, this enterprise is not cheap at all, how it works .... they must ... Kukuevskaya will have to at least really want to!
In short, we stock up on chip-p-psemechki and sit on the mound exactly, because we can’t get close.

[K-612-O]

Eric Prince can afford it, according to various estimates, he has 20-30 yards of green, his own, and then Trumpets compensates.

[rocket757]

Quote: K-612-O

then Trampets compensates.

Maybe the Pentagon will squeeze more denyuzhek? Although, Baba Yaga can be strongly opposed.

[K-612-O]

They came to their senses, although Sich would end up anyway, only with amers quickly and in classics: they bought, optimized, reorganized bankrupt. They could have worked with the Chinese, but I'm also afraid not for long.
South bent, Antonov in the cemetery, HTZ sits on crafts, well done svidomity.

[Mik1701]

,, Southern ,, works. Converted workshop. The people stopped complaining. Luckily, something joint in the USA was successfully launched, and it even completed the task of satellite output. Trolleybuses again do ...

[K-612-O]

Our Yakovlev Design Bureau also worked at first in the same joint venture, but not for long, now the wrong design office, the factory in Saratov.

[Karabin]

Quote: K-612-O

fast and classic: bought, optimized, reorganized bankrupt.

According to the classics, another shopping center is provided

[Mavrikiy]

The United States entered the fight for the Ukrainian Motor Sich
At the same time, according to representatives of the Ukrainian government, the Chinese consortium actually acquired Motor Sich, transferring payments and establishing control over offshore companies, which together constitute a controlling stake in the manufacturer.

The USA woke up late or what?

[Sailor]

Not too late! Amerikosy conduct trade wars including and with China - according to lawlessness, they crush Huawei and throw them out of the markets. Do you think in the territory of a fully dependent colony they are embarrassed to nullify the agreement with China? Yes, they do not hesitate to openly say that they will protect Syrian oil from the Syrians! )) The Chinese will rub off

[rocket757]

Eric Prince, unofficial adviser to Donald Trump, who is also the founder of the private military company Academi (formerly Blackwater), began negotiations on the purchase of the Ukrainian company.

This is so to be understood that on the Afghan hero and on Syrian oil, this figure raised a fair amount of babosiks !!! Now they can afford to buy an enterprise, a conditional competitor and calmly bang it completely!
"Itself is not a din, but I will never give it to the Chinese!"

[Sarduor]

If the United States buys Motorsich, then they will take out the equipment, and the workshops will be demolished

[K-612-O]

Why the hell is this equipment for them, Sich is not standing next to GE or Prime, everything will be scrapped, and then friendly delivery of scrap metal. Our 90s remember what was left of our plants after the Amerov joint venture, where is the Saratov aircraft factory at least?

[Sky strike fighter]

Why do Americans need outdated equipment? Think GENERAL ELECTRIC needs it?

[Anchonsha]

Well, if the Chinese have already paid for the acquisition of Sichi and offshore already them, then it is still unknown how it will turn out. Although Monica Zelensky may under pressure try to change something in favor of the United States. Well, all the better, the arrival of more Soviet technology in the aircraft industry is delayed and it is beneficial for us. Let the PRC and the United States squander, as the Ukrainians say, among themselves, and Monica will stay, as between a rock and a hard place

[voyaka uh]

It seems the Americans are late. The Chinese have already bought the factory.

[Avior]

paid the money, more correctly.
but they can prevent them from becoming real owners for a long time.

[Avior]

paid the money, more correctly.
but they can prevent them from becoming real owners for a long time.

[K-612-O]

Zee can nationalize him, Americans can generally recognize the deal as corrupt and freeze offshore companies and seize the accounts of the enterprise, while Zee will happily support this. The worst thing is that there are no rules and guarantees left if the US needs something, and if it concerns money and their interests.

[Brturin]

I recall the Heart of a Dog - "the Kalabukhov house is gone. We'll have to leave, but where is the question. (They won't give it to China anymore) Everything will be like clockwork. At first, every evening, singing (the promise of investment, technology), then ...

[prior]

Strange guys are these Americans.
Almost all of those who had relations with Ukraine suffered. Someone removed from office, and someone under trial. Even the president is threatened with impeachment for talking with Zelensky.
And then the whole factory! Yes, for such an electric chair you can please.
What does the dollar do with them!

[Thrifty]

Next in line will be Mashvest-Dawn, which the Chinese are eager to buy, and withdraw to China. ..

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Selling the Motherland is now called - foreign investment.

Sadness. Shame on Ukraine.

[tihonmarine]

The Chinese consortium actually acquired Motor Sich, transferring payments and establishing control over offshore companies, which together constitute a controlling stake in the manufacturer.

If the Chinese clung to them, do not tear them. And they can pay more money than greedy Janus.

[Incvizitor]

Independence in Ukrainian is when the FSA and China decide who owns the Sich motor.

[Pavel57]

The loss of Motor-Sich for Russia is less critical every year. Even more painful is his purchase by China.

[Zaurbek]

By the way, helicopter engines can be finalized and delivered to Mi8 / 24 for their allies.

[Alexander X]

If the Americans buy Motor Sich, then after that there will be layoffs of most employees, the destruction of key workshops and equipment. Only secondary production will remain. The goal is clear - to eliminate a competitor in the engine market. This has already taken place in the Russian Federation ...

[vladcub]

In German, this is not my level of business, but purely hypothetical. For example, a certain Cypriot or Egyptian company will approach the Ukrainians and say: we want to participate in the deal. Here you have so many "green" + "booze" and run, and "Motor Sich" to us.
And then, purely by chance, TD will be in Russia. It would be nice. Of course, nonsense, but in history there have been cases when a "muddy" company appeared on the market and began to buy goods in which a certain state was interested.

[Maxwrx]

Motor Sich is still a very competitive company. And there are not only military products, but also civilian ones (primarily gas turbine engines and power plants. In 2017, they have a turnover of $ 600 million and a net profit of $ 121 million. And they do not deliver this to Russia. Given that we made substitutions for helicopter engines, almost brought to gas turbine power plants, they become our direct competitor.If the Americans buy them, then they will definitely not be development because they are not needed at all, and if the Chinese, then maybe 30 years they will stretch because the Chinese can not organize production at home tezha is not enough, you need everything to be adjacent.

[NF68]

Who needs this company in the USA? Do they have their own there?

[Ros 56]

Striped hitans do not just climb into hohland. Previously, they brought blacks to themselves, now they have grown wiser and will come themselves. And local ukrosumeriy will be in their position as blacks on the plantations, they will throw them a salary of 200-500 bucks, depending on skill and position, and he will be happy. They won’t get out of bed for that kind of money, but these will gnaw at each other's throats. Because Zelensky is shocked, according to him by the situation in the country's economy, wage arrears of up to 4 years, the average salary is about 140 greens. Moreover, striped will not only be developed by Motor Sich, but also other enterprises and industries. The most interesting ones are not responsible for anything, no need to worry about infrastructure, nor about medicine, about anything at all. To do this, there is a president and government and local authorities. Well, these will not be missed. But they will be under the tight control of visiting curators from another continent. That will be banderlog zrada with the help together. Or maybe I'm exaggerating, time will tell.

[cat Rusich]

I can not hear the inhabitants of Ukraine who with foam at the mouth would prove that by selling Motor Sich to China and the United States at the same time the plant would remain Ukrainian ... And the Chinese and Americans will "invest" their "hard-earned" $ and the yuan will "forget" to take them back .

[lopuhan2006]

In any case, Motor Sich is dying. Only with mattresses does he die without transferring technology to China. Accordingly, the whole issue is the price of a bribe to interested parties. But he feels the heart that they will sell the shisha, and technologies will emerge in China)))) Nobody has canceled Kidalovo in Ukraine!) Gee, Gee, Gy .....

[Romanenko]

American methods and technologies of "struggle" on the territory of the post-Soviet space have long been known, to buy out a controlling stake in an enterprise, and then to bankrupt, destroy and make a market or inflatable housing development on the former territory, on which you can still cut the dough, collect money and throw everyone away.
In our country, pin-dos and their shell companies ravaged so half the country in close conjunction with our brainless and pathologically greedy efficient managers.
Why does America need Motor Sich, let all engines from Pratt & Whitney buy.
On the other hand, the Chinese should also be kept away from there.

[Prohur]

Americans will even buy for a double price. But after a couple of years nothing will remain of Motorsich; the United States is not profitable for a competitor with such technologies.