View from Serbia: Chances of Ukrainian fighters in battle with Russian

Recently in Ukraine, a list of industries to be paid special attention has been determined. In their long row there was no place for mechanical engineering. When asked by critics why this segment was forgotten, the answer was: it is required to find a “short hryvnia” that is able to give an economic effect in a short time. As a result, this high-tech industry, already thoroughly decimated, is being selected closer to its demise, and with it the entire country's defense industry.




The situation is similar with combat aviation Square, which in Ukrainian conditions is not able to exist without a developed defense industry. A fleet of aircraft based on the remnants of the Soviet legacy expects moral aging and physical deterioration. And in the event of a military conflict with Russia - inevitable death. To this conclusion comes the Serbian edition of Mars.online.

Russian way


The Russian Federation has made serious progress in improving its military equipment, which was manufactured in Soviet times.

- writes the publication, indicating that Kiev did practically nothing in this direction. This applies to both aircraft and air defense systems.

According to Mars.online, Ukraine after the collapse of the USSR received the Su-27 and MiG-29 fleets. The first was intended to gain superiority in the air. The second is a multi-role fighter for the execution of diverse missions. According to military experts, only the Su-27 can pose a potential threat to Russian combat aircraft.

The Russians made a major upgrade to this aircraft. Their new modifications, such as the Su-30 and Su-35, are equipped with new engines and radar. As part of their weapons, they have air-to-air missiles of medium / long range P-27ER, which are able to hit an air target at a distance of 130 km.



Tens of years gap


As a result, there was a situation in which Ukrainian fighters began to seriously lag behind Russian competitors, reaching as a result of a technological gap of several tens of years. Their main weakness is obsolete avionics and radar systems, as well as the lack of modern types of missile weapons.

If the planes of the Russian Air Force are capable of destroying targets at a great distance, then such an opportunity remains unattainable for Ukrainian fighters

- Mars.online notes, believing that this circumstance will greatly complicate the work of Ukrainian pilots who "will become" easy prey "for long-range missiles."

There is also no way to resist them using modern electronic warfare systems - these systems are simply absent, leaving no chance to "save the planes from a fatal strike." At the same time, the Russian Su-27СM3, Su-30СМ and Su-35 have advanced electronic systems, possessing the same ability for excellent maneuvering.

This creates the conditions for absolute superiority over the ancient remnants of the Ukrainian Air Force

- concludes the edition.

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  1. GKS 2111 5 November 2019 14: 20 New
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    A fleet of aircraft based on the remnants of the Soviet legacy expects moral aging and physical deterioration. And in the event of a military conflict with Russia - inevitable death. To this conclusion comes the Serbian edition of Mars.online.
    I think that not only the Serbs came to this conclusion.
    1. Invoce 5 November 2019 14: 25 New
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      The fact is so obvious that it makes no sense to discuss it. Moreover, repair bases have been destroyed, although they say that not only buses are being repaired in Lviv. Yes, and Europe with amers are not interested in the revival of industry in Ukraine. However, not only in Ukraine, but also in Greece, Spain, Italy ... Ukraine has been assigned a role in as a supplier of low-skilled labor and an agricultural country for sowing rapeseed (raw materials for biodiesel). Perhaps as a repository of highly toxic and radioactive waste. In Europe, contracts for fuel supplies to nuclear power plants do not provide for the return of spent fuel (as opposed to deliveries under Rosatom contracts)
      1. askort154 5 November 2019 15: 01 New
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        Invoce .....Moreover, repair bases have been destroyed, although they say that not only buses are being repaired in Lviv.

        A year ago, the Bulgarians refused to repair their MiG-29 in Ukraine, due to the poor repair quality of the previous batch. yes hi
        1. Keyser soze 5 November 2019 22: 11 New
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          A year ago, the Bulgarians refused to repair their MiG-29 in Ukraine, due to the poor repair quality of the previous batch.


          Our Migi has always been repaired in Russia. Engine repair was done only once in Poland. SU 25 are being repaired now in Belarus.
      2. Alexander I 5 November 2019 15: 14 New
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        Hardly a burial ground, Ukraine is a very promising territory in every sense (land, climate, proximity to Russian raw materials, etc.)
      3. NEXUS 5 November 2019 22: 03 New
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        Quote: Invoce
        The fact is so obvious that it makes no sense to discuss it. Moreover, repair bases have been destroyed, although they say that in Lviv they repair not only buses.

        And the qualification of combatant Ukrainian pilots is not taken into account at all in this? The iron is outdated, but what hours does the combat pilots of Ukraine have?
        There, not only the iron with the arsenal is outdated, there the qualification of the pilots, due to the low flying hours, falls every year lower.
        The maximum flying time of the most volatile (there are several of them per country) of Ukrainian pilots is 40 hours per year.



      4. KrokodilGena 6 November 2019 02: 00 New
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        Quote: Invoce
        Perhaps as a repository of highly toxic and radioactive waste. In Europe, contracts for fuel supplies to nuclear power plants do not provide for the return of spent fuel (as opposed to deliveries under Rosatom contracts)

        For several years now, Russia has been bringing nuclear waste from Europe, which is then dumped in the open, and Putin recently approved such a practice in the future. In general, the ecological situation in Russia has been rapidly deteriorating lately, starting from the activities of the Chinese brothers in Siberia and the Far East, who are literally destroying nature, cutting down forests, squeezing every drop from fertile lands, racing for the profit of the owners of all kinds of enterprises with toxic waste that pollute the air and the water surrounding them, landfills, landfills, which also saturate everything with poison, up to nuclear waste, which is taken from everywhere, because no one wants to have them next to them. But apparently this is of little interest to anyone; it’s better to tinker with the problems of Ukrainians.
        1. Alexander Seklitsky 6 November 2019 07: 46 New
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          did they tell you echoes of the matzo? laughing
        2. perm23 6 November 2019 08: 27 New
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          stupid then why write .. do not disgrace Kim Jong In. he would slam you for slander
        3. Fox1383 6 November 2019 11: 09 New
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          Bullshit Liberal ....
        4. Sergey1987 6 November 2019 11: 59 New
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          Quote: KrokodilGena
          In Russia, for several years now, nuclear waste has been brought from Europe

          Before you talk nonsense, read the experts.
          1. KrokodilGena 16 November 2019 07: 12 New
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            What about you? What I am writing is facts that, including 15 minuses and 4 comments, confirm nothing.
    2. Ru_Na 5 November 2019 14: 26 New
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      Unfortunately, Ukraine is the clearest example of how, in a quarter of a century, you can ditch a rich, developed country, turn it into a poor beggar, a market for cheap labor!
      1. not main 5 November 2019 22: 56 New
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        Quote: Ru_Na
        Unfortunately, Ukraine is the clearest example of how, in a quarter of a century, you can ditch a rich, developed country, turn it into a poor beggar, a market for cheap labor!

        But I’ll clarify not the country, but the republic! And how it became a "country" and began to "self-destruct"!
    3. The leader of the Redskins 5 November 2019 14: 29 New
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      Here the Serbs, straight oracles!)
      True, for the sake of justice, the Ukrainian military-industrial complex has begun to sniff out over the past couple of years, but the backlog, in any case, will continue. And the quantity is absolutely not towards the neighbors.
      1. The leader of the Redskins 5 November 2019 14: 39 New
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        Rummaged, found ... In Ukrainian it is true, but I think the experts will understand the numbers.
        Overturned by 2018 rock stretch, apparently with public tributes, they’ve blown military service resources, to the most frequent parts we’ve got more:

        7 Vinishchuvachіv MiG-29, the cotreme of Chotiri MiG-29МУ1 that one MiG-29UB 5 Su-27, one permanent Su-27UB; 3 attack aircraft Su-25М1; one rosette Su-24МР; 4 bulk-trenuvalny L-39 / M1; 2 transport and transport An-26 that one Il-76MD.
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          1. The leader of the Redskins 5 November 2019 16: 04 New
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            No, this is the number of upgraded and put into operation, after the storage of aircraft and helicopters. Just the rest (the amount is classified) at the 1990x level.
    4. knn54 5 November 2019 14: 58 New
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      Article (translation?) From the portal (magazine) Military Watch., January of this year.
      Investment in modernization is ridiculous.
      Flight of Ukrainian pilots is less than 40 hours
      The Air Fleet is not aging, it is decrepit.
      1. Invoce 5 November 2019 17: 43 New
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        Yes, and the pilots are the same .... takeoff - landing. They don’t know anything else ... They wouldn’t be killed with a fright, if God forbid
    5. TermNachTer 5 November 2019 19: 08 New
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      It is not clear why, for this, it was necessary to attract some Serb? Everyone who is in the subject and so well know the state of the Bandera type of the Air Force. Last time, overhaul with modernization were 8 Su - 27, in 2006-08. Yushchenko sold two of them to mattresses. All repairs and upgrades that are being done now are just show-off, because repair is not possible without spare parts. So those, about a dozen and a half, which can at least fly into the air - that's all that the maydaunas have left.
  2. Lord of the Sith 5 November 2019 14: 22 New
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    Odds of Ukrainian fighters in battle with Russian


    Yes, what are the chances, a little more than zero)
    1. Gray brother 5 November 2019 14: 28 New
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      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      Yes, what are the chances, a little more than zero)

      In the event of a military conflict, it is very doubtful that such a battle could occur at all.
      1. Grits 5 November 2019 16: 30 New
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        Quote: Gray Brother
        In the event of a military conflict, it is very doubtful that such a battle could occur at all.

        I think that in the event of a conflict, the airfields on which these aircraft are based will be plowed by Caliber and Iskander in the very first hours. So there will be nothing to fly there.
        1. Invoce 5 November 2019 17: 39 New
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          no It is very expensive to spend Caliber and Iskander on airfields, the aircraft on which are not combat-ready. Now, if the Stripes decide that they can’t do without their aviation, here it is ..
    2. neri73-r 5 November 2019 14: 51 New
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      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      Yes, what are the chances, a little more than zero)

      They will be saved only if they fly to Polish airfields in advance! hi
      1. hydrox 5 November 2019 17: 07 New
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        They will be saved only in the sense of “save the materiel”, but this will mean that these aircraft will never return to Ukraine NEVER :: one division of the Triumphs in Belarus, and the second division of the “marine” Triumphs at the World Cup - and that’s all, it will be possible to fly between them only on a shaver, without rising above 500 m. Moreover, any fighter of the RF Armed Forces, being near the Ukrainian border in patrol mode at high altitude, and armed with RVV-DB missiles, will control Ukraine’s air production to a depth of 200 km - is that not enough to talk about air supremacy?
        And this is said only about long-mastered weapons, not taking into account the possibility of "hyper" ...
      2. Sergey1987 5 November 2019 17: 29 New
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        Quote: neri73-r
        They will be saved only if they fly to Polish airfields in advance

        The question is, how much will fly to Russia. During the war in Iraq, many Iraqi pilots flew to Iran, despite the fact that just recently, Iran and Iraq fought.
        1. neri73-r 5 November 2019 17: 32 New
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          Quote: Sergey1987
          The question is, how much will fly to Russia.

          I think we will accept everyone, it will be the smartest!
          1. Invoce 5 November 2019 17: 41 New
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            Believe me, there are no longer those who would fly ... (smart). I have a brother there .... Brain inflammation in a difficult scenario .... This can not be cured .... Only time and lack of Russophobia on the air ... and after 5 years you can talk about something
            1. Sergey1987 5 November 2019 17: 50 New
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              Quote: Invoce
              This is no longer being treated .... Only time and lack of Russophobia on the air ... and after 5 years you can talk about something

              Of course, propaganda cleared many brains, but look at how quickly in 2014 many former Ukrainian contract soldiers in Crimea switched to serve in the Russian Federation. It’s one thing when you can almost be killed for any favorable statement towards the Russian Federation, another thing is when the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are already standing behind the fence of your unit.
              1. EvilLion 7 November 2019 08: 21 New
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                There were a lot of locals.
            2. demo 5 November 2019 19: 18 New
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              Sorry. I sincerely sympathize.
            3. neri73-r 5 November 2019 20: 47 New
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              Quote: Invoce
              I have a brother there .... Brain inflammation in a difficult scenario ....

              Yes, yes, I am familiar with this situation, my wife’s relatives, a similar case, although I come from the RSFSR.
            4. Sergey Averchenkov 5 November 2019 23: 09 New
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              I'm sorry.
            5. Alex bergman 6 November 2019 00: 15 New
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              Greetings, Dear. I sincerely sympathize with you. I have about the same story. Relatives in the LPR. Dumb to the root.
            6. nikon7717 6 November 2019 01: 04 New
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              . . This can not be cured ... Only the time and lack of Russophobia on the air ... and years through 5 you can talk about something

              For fat, grub, money, life, beliefs will quickly change. We have observed this more than once. In addition, the crowd today recognizes man as king, and tomorrow shouts crucify him. The same thing with ideas. Remember how, at the direction of Khrushchev, they denigrated Stalin. Not the first time.
          2. Herman 4223 5 November 2019 19: 08 New
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            They will not risk flying to us, they will not have time to figure out why they flew.
  3. Atlant-1164 5 November 2019 14: 37 New
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    why multiply by zero ?. not quite correct comparison of the air forces of Ukraine and Russia. I think the Venezuelan Air Force will be more combat-ready than the Ukrainian Air Force.
    1. The leader of the Redskins 5 November 2019 16: 06 New
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      It will be more efficient ... With whom? From the USA? Personally, I doubt it. Especially considering that our closest neighbors have some combat experience - Donbass and Africa.
      1. hydrox 5 November 2019 17: 10 New
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        And what does the USA have to do with it?
        Or do you assume that there may be a situation in which Ukraine clings in the air with the United States?
        Do not tell people, otherwise the slippers are falling! laughing
        1. The leader of the Redskins 5 November 2019 17: 17 New
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          Actually, I’m talking about a colleague’s assumption that the Venezuelan Air Force is more powerful than the Ukrainian Air Force.
          1. hydrox 5 November 2019 20: 18 New
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            Don’t put a foot in your mouth either :: Venezuela and Ukraine as 3rd world countries separated by the ocean will NEVER enter into a confrontation, especially armed
  4. Retvizan 8 5 November 2019 14: 37 New
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    In the video, he smiled: "boom blowers."))
    1. Dude 5 November 2019 14: 56 New
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      "boom blowers"
      Sometimes, listening to some talking head from Ukraine, or reading the sayings of our Ukrainian “non-brothers” on the net, it begins to seem to me that they have a specialized research institute sitting there, and come up with new Ukrainian words - the main thing is not to use the Russian word.
      Judging by the different versions of the same Russian word that I come across, they still have a lot of work to do. no
      Most often with terms comes out, and with compound words wassat
      PS Just came to mind - imagine what a bacchanalia can be arranged with abbreviations ?! laughing
      1. spech 5 November 2019 15: 53 New
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        what bacchanalia can be arranged with abbreviations ?!

        yaku bacchanal is possible to speak with abbreviations ?!
        wassat good
        1. Dude 5 November 2019 18: 54 New
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          I don’t understand this dog move. request
          It’s hard to learn, given that the syntax and grammar changes 7 times a week))
      2. Zliy_mod 5 November 2019 15: 55 New
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        For the sake of truth, it’s correct that in Ukrainian the “bombardment” in Russian is bombers, and in general 84% coincide with the Belarusian language, 70% with the Polish language, I don’t know Russian. Well, a joke, asks a Russian from a Ukrainian, what is your word "nesabar" (in the trans. - soon)? In front of the bar or behind the bar?
        Responsible, but what do you have for the word "compare"? How are you?
        In general, total Ukrainization causes laughter, rejection of those who were born in the USSR, but their children and youth naturally have Ukrainian, Russian still sounds on the street, but is not being studied Nowhere!
        1. Grits 5 November 2019 16: 33 New
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          Quote: Zliy_mod
          In general, total Ukrainization causes laughter, rejection of those who were born in the USSR, but their children and youth naturally have Ukrainian, Russian is still heard on the street, but is nowhere to be studied!

          It turns out that North Korea and South Korea are linguistically closer to each other than Russia and Ukraine. ... survived.
          1. hydrox 5 November 2019 17: 20 New
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            So we don’t know everything yet.
            When translating Russian textbooks of technical disciplines into Ukrainian language, there appears a huge number of words that are unknown by whom they came up and it is not known what they mean. And it turns out that it is impossible to explain in Russian, but in Ukrainian it is impossible, because they simply do not understand each other.
            1. Alexey RA 6 November 2019 13: 39 New
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              Quote: hydrox
              When translating Russian textbooks of technical disciplines into Ukrainian language, there appears a huge number of words that are unknown who invented and it is not known what they mean

              An ambush is not even in new terms - after all, they can be learned and remembered what they mean in translation. An ambush in the absence of a uniform terminology - when in different texts the same thing is described in different terms: for example, a helicopter, it is a helicopter, it is a rotorcraft.
              1. hydrox 6 November 2019 16: 39 New
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                This reminds me of an old bike, where they mock at a specialist in English literature, who accidentally took up the translation of patents from English into Russian, and if he succeeded: “The bare conductor runs under the wagon,” it means only: “An uninsulated wire is openly laid under underbody ". laughing
        2. Dude 5 November 2019 19: 05 New
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          . For the sake of truth, it’s correct, in Ukrainian, “bombardment” in Russian for bombers, but in general coincidence with ...
          For the sake of truth: in the Ukrainian language there is no analogue of the word "bomber" for two reasons:
          1). there is no Ukrainian language - there are dialects of Russian;
          2). the generous Ukrainians, who are now inventing their anti-language, cannot give a definition to the word "bomber" - there are none of their own, but the Russians did not arrive request
          Do not refer to the Cossacks and Shevchenko - with them such means winked did not have)))))
          1. brat07 6 November 2019 04: 22 New
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            Gvintivki - what is tse take?
            I remembered from the old anegdot))).
          2. hydrox 6 November 2019 16: 44 New
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            But the Russians have bombardment, the Russians know how these animals are used, and God forbid the skukuas if they suddenly intervene in the LDN scandal
        3. EvilLion 7 November 2019 08: 24 New
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          In fact, the share of MOVA over the years of independence only fell. And it will fall further, who normally does not know Russian, those in the future are people of the 3 grade everywhere, but they also do not know the move.
      3. SokolfromRussia 5 November 2019 23: 05 New
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        They have not a research institute sitting there, but at least four centers of information-psychological operations: the 16th 72th, 74th and 83th. Organizationally included in the MTR of the Armed Forces. It is likely that there are still such structures, not necessarily from Min. defense.
        1. Alex bergman 6 November 2019 00: 28 New
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          Yes lan! Just not in the know
        2. Alex bergman 6 November 2019 00: 28 New
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          But in laboratories - is the same true?
  5. rotmistr60 5 November 2019 14: 40 New
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    ... as a result of a technological gap of several decades
    And apparently this gap will only widen.
  6. Boris Ivanov 5 November 2019 14: 43 New
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    The Air Force of Ukraine numbers, according to approximate data, 45 front-line fighters MiG-29 / MiG-29UB / MiG-29MU1, 32 fighter-interceptors Su-27P / Su-27UB / Su-27P1M / Su-27S1M, 14 front-line bombers Su -24M, 31 Su-25 / Su-25M1 attack aircraft, 10 Su-24MR front-line reconnaissance aircraft, 47 Czech-made L-39 / L-39M Albatros training aircraft, seven Il-76MD, 20 "heavy military transport vehicles transporters ”An-26 / An-26“ Ryatunchik ”, three passenger An-24RV aircraft, four light KhAZ-30 training aircraft, three An-30 reconnaissance aircraft, one medium transport aircraft An-70 and one administrative Tu- 134AK. The government squadron has four VIP sides (Airbus A319-115, An-148-100V, An-74TK-300D and one Mi-8MTV-1 helicopter). Helicopter units are armed with 44 multi-purpose vehicles Mi-8T / Mi-17 / Mi-8MSB-V / Mi-9, 34 shock Mi-24P / Mi-24PU1.
    1. NEOZ 5 November 2019 14: 58 New
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      Quote: Boris Ivanov
      The Air Force of Ukraine totals, according to approximate data

      So I think, why do they need this circus with supertukano?
      1. Grits 5 November 2019 16: 36 New
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        Quote: NEOZ
        So I think, why do they need this circus with supertukano?

        Well yes. Judging by the figures given, such a number of combat aircraft can cause envy in many countries.
        1. hydrox 5 November 2019 17: 27 New
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          Ага.
          If we take into account that they have not been repaired for 30 years, not modernized, not regulated and just did not fly, then to envy there oh how far ...
    2. Dude 5 November 2019 14: 59 New
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      The Air Force of Ukraine numbers, according to approximate data, 45 front-line fighters MiG-29 / MiG-29UB / MiG-29MU1, 32 fighter-interceptors Su-27P / Su-27UB / Su-27P1M / Su-27S1M, ..
      Now the question is backfill: which of this is real, ready for it? .. crying repeat
      1. dauria 5 November 2019 19: 10 New
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        Now the question is backfill: which of this is real, ready for it? ..


        The answer to backfill - there is a difference between serviceable and combat-ready.
        A combat-ready aircraft is considered to be a serviceable aircraft prepared for a combat flight, equipped with TSA or other means in accordance with the task.
        In the Russian Federation, too, far from all are serviceable (some types of resources came out, some work has not been done), and only combat-ready ones that fly today. Tomorrow it is already necessary to do a new pre-flight.
        What for rzhzh something? In Germany, look at how much and on what they fly. Museum exhibits, even the An-26, and the MiG-29 were already 24 pieces ..
        Ukraine has normal air forces for any European country. They are small - they are excusable. But Russia without fleet aviation is a shame. There you need to be equal in the USA, but the wallet is small.
        1. Dude 5 November 2019 19: 19 New
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          Quote: dauria
          Now the question is backfill: which of this is real, ready for it? ..


          The answer to backfill - there is a difference between serviceable and combat-ready.
          A combat-ready aircraft is considered to be a serviceable aircraft prepared for a combat flight, equipped with TSA or other means in accordance with the task.
          In the Russian Federation, too, far from all are serviceable (some types of resources came out, some work has not been done), and only combat-ready ones that fly today. Tomorrow it is already necessary to do a new pre-flight.
          What for rzhzh something? In Germany, look at how much and on what they fly. Museum exhibits, even the An-26, and the MiG-29 were already 24 pieces ..
          Ukraine has normal air forces for any European country. They are small - they are excusable. But Russia without fleet aviation is a shame. There you need to be equal in the USA, but the wallet is small.

          Well, as usual - mixed and horses (including chess wassat ), and people, and the Russian Aerospace Forces, for some reason, raked!
          Ok how much serviceable Is there an aircraft in the Ukrainian Air Force today?
          From the fact that you stuck me in the nuances of the terminology, the meaning of my question has somehow changed?
          I would like to hear your reasoned answer repeat .
          1. dauria 5 November 2019 19: 36 New
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            I would like to hear your reasoned answer

            Once again from NIAS (or how it is now, I don’t know) Serviceable - all types of work and preparations have been completed and there is a remaining resource. I did not have time to sign in the magazine Vasya Pupkin - the plane defective.

            They would have asked so much - how much and for how long they will be able to take to the air, spitting on a bunch of peaceful norms in wartime.
            The answer is, the FIG knows him. As well as Russian. It was once allowed that 1 out of 30 board remains on the ground. But this is one of those in the military unit.
            Do you want to convince me that there are no aviation and specialists in Ukraine? Will not work. There was their breakthrough. Both schools and institutes. And airfields.
            In general, I had a hope that this madhouse would end with a section. Yes, she died. While ours from Rublevka and theirs from Bankovskaya on the same aspen we will not see - figs. And Putin- Zelensky, Sidorov- Petrov ... Which of their actors dances better to the tune of these fat trusts I do not care.
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              Quote: dauria

              While ours from Rublevka and theirs from Bankovskaya on the same aspen we will not see - figs. And Putin- Zelensky, Sidorov- Petrov ... Which of their actors dances better to the tune of these fat trusts I do not care.

              For the first time I join every word from the quoted. good
    3. Armata T-14 5 November 2019 16: 03 New
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      This is on paper. More or less combat ready, at best, half
    4. Herman 4223 5 November 2019 19: 13 New
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      In Crimea, there were also 45 mig-29s, and only five were in good condition
      1. Alexey RA 6 November 2019 13: 41 New
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        Quote: Herman 4223
        In Crimea, there were also 45 mig-29s, and only five were in good condition

        Four. The fifth serviceable was the “Albatross”.
        ... the basis of the Ukrainian Air Force group in Crimea was the 204th tactical aviation brigade named after A.I. Pokryshkina, stationed at the Belbek airport near Sevastopol. The 204th Brigade was armed with nominally 46 MiG-29 and MiG-29UB fighters and four modernized L-39M1 training aircraft. The combat readiness of the brigade was extremely low, and by the beginning of 2014 only three MiG-29s, one MiG-29UB and one L-39M1 were in flight condition from its fleet.
        © bmpd
        1. Herman 4223 6 November 2019 17: 20 New
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          Now certainly not better, one and a half two dozen cars
          per year they return from repair, but how many cars fail does not say anywhere. Considering that they began to fly a little more than before the age of 14, then planes break down a little more often.
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      2014 units were found in Belbek in the 45 year. scrap metal, of which 4 turned out to be airplanes, the rest are already light.
  7. Sniper 5 November 2019 14: 45 New
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    Ukrainian Su-27s lag behind the Russian ones by several decades; investments in their modernization are insignificant. This is reflected in their avionics, electronic warfare systems and manifests itself in the absence of modern weapons. " If Russian aircraft are capable of hitting an enemy at a considerable range, then Ukrainian aviation has long-range weapons, fortunately, simply does not. And even if the Air Force “independent” suddenly managed to get Russian missiles, it is not clear if they could modify their fighters to use them.

    Thus, Ukraine, in the foreseeable future, will not be able to afford the purchase of foreign aircraft. The country is barely making ends meet, providing the current deplorable state of combat aircraft: there are virtually no funds for the purchase of new equipment, as they were not before. Without all this, the Ukrainian Air Force will cease to exist in the next few years.
  8. Sky strike fighter 5 November 2019 14: 46 New
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    Their new modifications, such as the Su-30 and Su-35, are equipped with new engines and radar. As part of their weapons, they have air-to-air missiles of medium / long range R-27ER, which are able to hit an air target at a distance of 130 km.

    R-27ER competitive product. Not worse than AIM-120C.
    R-27ER (product 470-1E) - a variant of the R-27R with an increased launch range (130 km instead of 80 km). In addition to a longer launch range, the height of the lesion increased to 27 km is also provided. During their tests, a maximum flight range of up to 98km was achieved. It is used on the MiG-29K, MiG-29M, MiG-29S, Su-27, Su-33, Yak-141.

    R-27R1 and R-27ER1 - export versions of the R-27R and R-27ER. According to advertising information, the flight range of the latest R-27R1 variants is 75 km when shooting in the rear hemisphere (PPS) and 50-60 km when shooting in the front hemisphere (PPS) for a fighter type target. For R-27ER1 similar parameters have a value of 90-100 and 60-62.5 km, respectively.

    http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/p27/p27.shtml
    1. Alexey RA 6 November 2019 13: 47 New
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      Quote: Sky Strike fighter
      R-27ER competitive product. Not worse than AIM-120C.

      GOS at R-27ER what? Semi-active?
      If so, then the maximum range does not mean anything. For it does not make sense to use RVV with PARLGSN beyond 15 km: in the 80s, the Americans in the exercises determined that in aerial combat of fourth-generation fighters, when launching a similar “Sparrow” from a distance of more than 12-15 km, BKO manages to disrupt the guidance.
  9. Thrifty 5 November 2019 14: 46 New
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    Only, against the civilian population of Donbass, such aircraft, even with high wear and tear, are dangerous.
    1. Prisoner 5 November 2019 15: 41 New
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      Really. God forbid, they will begin to pour in on residential neighborhoods.
  10. EDWARD 5 November 2019 14: 49 New
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    with further deterioration in the financial and economic situation of Ukraine, air regiments began to rapidly degrade: in the 1990s, tankers Il-78, MiG-23MLD fighters, and Tu-134UBL training aircraft were withdrawn from service; the long-range Tu-22M2 / Tu-22M3, Tu-95MS and Tu-160 missile carriers were either disposed of or cut into scrap metal (although official Kiev transferred eight Tu-160, three Tu-95MS and 581 X-55 cruise missiles to Russia for payment debt for supplied natural gas in the amount of $ 285 million).


    But the most humiliating thing for the Ukrainian Air Force was the signing on November 25, 1993 of an agreement between Ukraine and the United States on the destruction of parts of Long-Range Aviation; financing of the aforementioned agreement was carried out at the expense of funds allocated by the American government in the framework of the project “On Assisting Ukraine in the Elimination of Strategic Nuclear Weapons and Preventing the Proliferation of Weapons of Mass Destruction”. In 1996-1999, 29 strategic missile carriers (10 Tu-160 and 19 Tu-95MS) were destroyed. In addition, in 2002-2006. At the airbases in Nikolaev, Poltava, Priluki and the White Church, 60 long-range Tu-22M bombers (17 Tu-22M2 and 43 Tu-22M3), which were armed with combat units, naval aviation, and also located at storage bases and aircraft repair plants, were eliminated.
  11. Alexey from Perm 5 November 2019 14: 50 New
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    Damn, look at your industry. You hesitated with your Ukraine, there were no other worries left? You still compare with Tanzania or Zimbabwe ..
    1. Horon 5 November 2019 15: 13 New
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      Tanzania and Zimbabwe tell everyone that they are at war with Russia?
      1. Alexey from Perm 5 November 2019 15: 20 New
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        Annoying the translation of arrows from Russian problems to Ukrainian. I’m on the drum what they say in Ukraine, even though they’re at war with the Martians. We need to solve our problems, and not to nod at Uraina and laugh at them, that everything is bad with them, and that their background is better. Yes, better, but this is not an indicator. Compare with USA or Europe. There, the picture will immediately become dull))
        1. Horon 5 November 2019 15: 27 New
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          Do not read articles about Ukraine and you will stop:
          Annoyed by the transfer of arrows from Russian problems to Ukrainian

          For example, I read only part of the articles about neighbors and nothing, I live somehow. For us, what happens there is already the past! Sometimes you need to read "about them" to understand what we looked like then! hi
        2. Incvizitor 5 November 2019 16: 35 New
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          Well, then look into the ear matzah and better on the censor-there only on the "Russian problems" show, carefully avoiding all the good, just as you like.
          1. Alexey from Perm 6 November 2019 01: 33 New
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            what good can be seen from such an article is banal and obvious. Although by the number of minuses of the post you can see how many cheers-patriots are here)) at least mess with the gentlemen, the saucepan on your head doesn’t yet press your ears))
        3. Alex bergman 6 November 2019 01: 25 New
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          Yes, not much better! Now it’s hard for everyone. Europe is very fragmented. I lived there from 2009 to 2013. If in Switzerland in 2010, 500 € was sensible and in Zurich in Starbucks they gave me change from 500 € without any problems, then in Madrid in 2012 in the store - they looked at me like morons or mafiosi and called the floor of the security store when checking the bill - this is not right! Here is such a life there. And there it is very difficult not to observe the laws. Very much punished!
          1. Alex bergman 6 November 2019 01: 27 New
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            This is for Alexey from Perm
            1. Alexey from Perm 6 November 2019 10: 54 New
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              The logical connection between my post and the post on surrender in Switzerland is visible only to you. L-logic)))
        4. perm23 6 November 2019 08: 35 New
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          Well, actually in the USA there are problems in = Germany too. and if Ukraine fought with the Martians. okay but they are yelling that they have a war with us and they want to make rockets with which they hit our nuclear power plants.
    2. Yuri T. 5 November 2019 16: 01 New
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      I could never understand statements of this type:
      Quote: Alexey from Perm
      Damn, look at your industry. You hesitated with your Ukraine, there were no other worries left? You still compare with Tanzania or Zimbabwe ..

      It looks the same as if a person in a "restaurant courtyard" chose, for example, burger, and in the process of eating would be indignant that he was tired of the fact that there are always burgers on the menu)
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    4. Herman 4223 5 November 2019 19: 30 New
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      This is an article from a Serbian publication, why don’t we know their opinion?
      1. Alexey from Perm 6 November 2019 01: 29 New
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        and without them, everything is clear with Ukrainian aviation
    5. perm23 6 November 2019 08: 32 New
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      a lot of worries. but when a neighbor is nearby. you have to think about him .. otherwise you can get from him. When you ride a magician on a bus on the road, you see inadequacy. YOU will be thinking about. probably about how this stupid person behaves
  12. Laksamana besar 5 November 2019 14: 53 New
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    Posted by Captain Evidence. The article is meaningless from the word in general.
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      Quote: Laksamana Besar
      Posted by Captain Evidence. The article is meaningless from the word in general.

      In Serbia, there are also media outlets, their employees also want to eat. :) Another question is why this triviality was dragged here. Maybe today the site’s publication plan was not fulfilled, did you need a “filler”?
  13. withoutreverse 5 November 2019 14: 56 New
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    in the Ukrainian Air Force continues .. combat training on new "safe" aircraft.


    1. Sky strike fighter 5 November 2019 15: 17 New
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      You look like they were dispersed. They probably came out to supersonic, they are in a hurry to intercept someone. They suspended the rockets, they see they will hit someone now.
      1. Armata T-14 5 November 2019 16: 06 New
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        This is hypersound. More precisely, a hyperstep. Overland Blisklava
  14. iouris 5 November 2019 14: 58 New
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    Why burst through the open door, and even involve the Serbs in this matter? It would be strange to learn that ukrovermaht has superiority in at least something.
  15. tarabar 5 November 2019 15: 13 New
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    But they have democracy, they all drink and dance and every second has lace shorts, what industry and airplanes are there.
    1. Herman 4223 5 November 2019 19: 38 New
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      "Every second lace underwear good", and that half without lace, what’s the matter in which the mother gave birth or do they wear them in turn?
      1. Avis-bis 6 November 2019 08: 47 New
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        and that half that without lace, what’s the matter in which the mother gave birth or do they wear them in turn?

        These lace bloomers.
  16. Pavel57 5 November 2019 15: 16 New
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    About 15 years ago, on another forum, I predicted that the next fighter in Ukraine would be the F-16. I think I was wrong.
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      Quote: Pavel57
      that the next fighter in Ukraine will be the F-16. I think I was wrong.

      What is your forecast now?
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        Now the forecast is even more difficult - whether there will be Ukraine, and what borders, what the world will be after the US elections, the Americans will provoke some kind of conflict near Russia, etc.
        In the near future there will be a Soviet legacy.
      2. Herman 4223 6 November 2019 06: 54 New
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        For money, they can only pull Chinese, so I think a Chinese fighter. Well, if the owner permits them of course.
    2. Alexey RA 6 November 2019 13: 53 New
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      Quote: Pavel57
      About 15 years ago, on another forum, I predicted that the next fighter in Ukraine would be the F-16. I think I was wrong.

      "Falcon" was expensive for the Ukrainian Air Force even in fat years. Sane Ukrainian aviation experts, even under the Beekeeper and Profesor, wrote in the same “A&V” that Hongdu L-15 would be the optimal main fighter for Ukraine. Plus, the upgraded Su-27 - for high-quality gain.
  17. svp67 5 November 2019 15: 37 New
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    According to Mars.online, Ukraine after the collapse of the USSR received the Su-27 and MiG-29 fleets.
    As well as repair facilities and a fairly large fleet of MiG-25 fighters, the latest modifications ... that the “independent” quickly “sawed” in the literal and figurative sense.
    And of course, even taking into account the very poor condition of their Air Force, I would not be completely "capricious" about them, we must still remember that it was the air defense systems modernized in Ukraine and its calculations that caused quite heavy and insulting unexpected losses in the 08.08.08 war. XNUMX ...
    1. Armata T-14 5 November 2019 16: 07 New
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      Most of Russia's aircraft in the war on 08.08.08/2008/XNUMX were shot down by friendly fire by mistake. Almost all cases of friendly fire come from South Ossetia. Well, then, do not compare the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in XNUMX and now, between them
  18. Armata T-14 5 November 2019 15: 54 New
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    Odds of Ukrainian fighters in battle with Russian

    Zero There are few of them, and the fuel in the rockets has been sour for a long time, and morally they are long outdated. Physically too. The freshest samples were delivered in 404 30 years ago. The oldest are 40 years old. Without upgrades and everything else. Su-57, probably alone can put all 404th aircraft
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      Zero

      No, tending to zero, but not zero
      Quote: Armata T-14
      Without upgrades and everything else.

      Again, the information is not correct, a small part of the aircraft has passed and is undergoing modernization both at the aircraft factories of Ukraine and among Belarusians
    2. Herman 4223 5 November 2019 22: 15 New
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      Alas, there will not be enough missiles, it’s necessary to lift a link or make several sorties.
  19. Armata T-14 5 November 2019 15: 56 New
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    Every year, with rare exceptions, Russia makes more combat aircraft than there are 404 serviceable fighters in general. I think the comments are superfluous
  20. Lesorub 5 November 2019 17: 15 New
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    View from Serbia: Chances of Ukrainian fighters in battle with Russian

    As far as I remember, Ukraine got an impressive amount of aviation equipment: 80 MiG-23 units, 220 MiG-29 units, 40 Su-27 units; and much more - Independently couldn’t dispose of it correctly - there were crumbs left - Yes, and there was no special desire and funds to modernize (to the modern level) the existing park!
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  22. Berkut24 5 November 2019 17: 49 New
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    Before you fight with the Russian Air Force, the Ukrainian Su-27 still needs to take off somehow. All boards have deadlines and a resource out, resource extension only on paper. Not so long ago, the board banged along with the American. It turned out that the model aircraft according to the documents has been written off and sold for metal for 3 years already.
  23. Oleg Zorin 5 November 2019 17: 50 New
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    Look at least from Belgrade, even from Baghdad. You will see the same thing.
    1. Lelek 5 November 2019 19: 58 New
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      Quote: Oleg Zorin
      Look at least from Belgrade, even from Baghdad. You will see the same thing.

      hi
      Belgrade is also tense, where the talkative Stoltenberg threatens to strike at Russian air defense.
  24. NF68 5 November 2019 18: 23 New
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    How many more have Ukraine left? Those who are able to fly?
  25. Vkd dvk 5 November 2019 18: 34 New
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    Quote: AlexanderI
    Hardly a burial ground, Ukraine is a very promising territory in every sense (land, climate, proximity to Russian raw materials, etc.)

    What do you mean? In the conditions of the overproduction of goods, Ukrov is subject to quotas, which they exhaust in the month of April. To have areas for agricultural production there is to slaughter their farmers. An example of Greece does not suit you? What is the development strategy? The Greeks (farmers) were paid 700 euros for each cut down olive tree. Do you know the result? In Europe, Greek olive oil has disappeared, it remains Italian, which, according to the description, is worse and more expensive than Greek. An example of Bulgaria does not suit you? Where are the tomatoes, tobacco, electronics, and so forth produced there? An example of the Baltic states does not suit you? Under the explanation that there is a struggle for clean production, they completely banned the sale of agricultural products produced by farmers on the market. LICENSED MANUFACTURERS ONLY are eligible. Who gives licenses? Of course, in the EU. Will give?
    It is forbidden to sow own seed material. ONLY FROM THE LICENSED MANUFACTURER. This is where and who? And in Holland.


    Are you so foolish that you don’t understand such simple things?
    1. Alexey RA 6 November 2019 13: 56 New
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      Quote: wkd dvk
      Under the explanation that there is a struggle for clean production, they completely banned the sale of agricultural products produced by farmers on the market. LICENSED MANUFACTURERS ONLY are eligible. Who gives licenses? Of course, in the EU. Will give?

      Hehehehe ... pomnitsa, someone wrote that one of the conditions for obtaining a license is the presence of a certain set of equipment that meets the requirements. And these requirements are so cleverly written that only one or two manufacturers of equipment pass through them. smile
  26. Dazdranagon 5 November 2019 20: 48 New
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    Chances of whom? In 2014, Ukraine and without fighters blew away ... wassat
  27. Kenxnumx 5 November 2019 22: 23 New
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    The honorary title of captains is obvious. Of course, non-modernized equipment will lose the country to the manufacturer of this equipment
  28. begemot20091 5 November 2019 22: 59 New
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    Quote: spech
    what bacchanalia can be arranged with abbreviations ?!

    yaku bacchanal is possible to speak with abbreviations ?!
    wassat good

    Then it’s better to buy the familiar Vedicon clichoniformes = Bear-toed. Mishka in the north = vedik on pіvnochі. Bon Appetit
  29. bars1 5 November 2019 23: 42 New
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    And the Serbs did not write that Russia has AWACS and U aircraft, which is why the chances of the Ukrainian Air Force are even more reduced ..
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      Quote: bars1
      And the Serbs did not write that Russia has AWACS and U

      And how many of them do we have? As far as I know, it was built on the order of three or four dozen, respectively, on the wing now barely half. And, besides Ukraine, there are other borders.
  30. Pavel57 6 November 2019 01: 42 New
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    It was amusing that the main missile of Russian fighters is the R-27ER, which was mainly made in Ukraine. The advantage is still in the R-77, which provides greater autonomy of the aircraft.
  31. 1536 6 November 2019 06: 59 New
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    What nonsense? Why do we need old planes? After all, they will immediately switch to F-35 and F-22. For this, the aircraft industry is not needed, because it is in the United States. An example is Poland, where pilots will soon fly on 5-generation aircraft.
  32. Vkd dvk 6 November 2019 14: 09 New
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    Quote: Alexey RA
    Quote: wkd dvk
    Under the explanation that there is a struggle for clean production, they completely banned the sale of agricultural products produced by farmers on the market. LICENSED MANUFACTURERS ONLY are eligible. Who gives licenses? Of course, in the EU. Will give?

    Hehehehe ... pomnitsa, someone wrote that one of the conditions for obtaining a license is the presence of a certain set of equipment that meets the requirements. And these requirements are so cleverly written that only one or two manufacturers of equipment pass through them. smile

    Yes, if only this trifle! Take exams for knowledge of "safe housekeeping". To have fertilizers, materials, equipment, soil analyzes that fit into the standards. And here .....
    1. Alexey RA 6 November 2019 14: 38 New
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      Quote: wkd dvk
      Yes, if only this trifle! Take exams for knowledge of "safe housekeeping". To have fertilizers, materials, equipment, soil analyzes that fit into the standards.

      And these people rubbed us about excessive regulation of state production, inhibiting the development of the economy. laughing
  33. lopvlad 6 November 2019 22: 00 New
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    According to military experts, only the Su-27 can pose a potential threat to Russian combat aircraft.


    if military experts wrote this before 2008, that would be fair, but now it’s fundamentally wrong. For now, in the event of a confrontation with Russia, Ukrainian SU-27s will pose a danger only to the pilots of these aircraft.
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    With the same success, one can predict the results of a military clash, for example, between Russia and Somalia.
  35. Tolik_74 7 November 2019 12: 40 New
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    Well, Duc Pyatruha did not have to steal $ million, but to re-equip equipment and weapons. It is what it is