Let's talk about science: modernity and prospects of superconductivity physics

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In the section “Talk about science” it is proposed to discuss the topic of development of domestic science in such an area as superconductivity physics.

Let's talk about science: modernity and prospects of superconductivity physics

Yttrium-based superconducting products




For reference: superconductivity is the property of individual materials to reduce their own electrical resistance to zero when the critical temperature is reached. For each of the materials, this temperature is different. At the dawn of the study of superconductivity of this kind, the property was defined as the ability of materials to reduce resistance to minimum parameters when ultra-low temperatures are reached - to boundaries close to absolute zero.

Today's studies often relate to obtaining the superconducting qualities of a particular material at higher temperatures. It's about the so-called high-temperature superconductors. These are materials capable of transitioning to the superconducting state at parametric temperatures of the order of 30 K. Superconducting materials of the second kind are called those that switch to superconductivity at a temperature above that which corresponds to boiling nitrogen (77 K, or about -196 Celsius). In the usual sense, it is extremely difficult to call such temperatures high, but for physicists this is a breakthrough in the study of superconductors, since we are talking about completely achievable temperature indicators.

The prospects for using high-temperature superconductors are huge. It is believed that the first commercial (truly operational) power transmission line (LEP) on superconductors was launched in 2008 in the United States. They are working on the creation of multi-kilometer power transmission systems on superconductors in South Korea, Japan and other countries. Losses in such power lines are reduced to zero, which leads to more than significant savings in the transmission of electricity over long distances. But the main problem is that temperature. To cool the material to the aforementioned boiling point of nitrogen, it is necessary to spend much more energy than to compensate for power transmission losses in the traditional sense.

But work is ongoing.

In our country, significant attention is paid to the study of superconductivity. At the 13 of November in the SIC “Kurchatov Institute” a scientific seminar is scheduled that will touch upon the study of superconductivity. The seminar will be supervised by V.S. Kruglov.

One of the areas that is planned to be discussed at a seminar at the Kurchatov Institute is related to the recently made most important discovery of iron-containing superconductors. These materials significantly expanded the possibilities for applied research on the phenomenon of superconductivity. One of the most promising compounds in this regard is FeSe (iron (II) selenide) or beta-FeSe. From this connection, long wires are created using the adapted technology of using triniobium stannide (Nb3Sn).

At the Kurchatov Institute, it is planned to discuss such a direction as the study of the current-carrying capacity and stability of the material to magnetic flux shocks.

Prospects for the use of high-temperature superconductors are associated not only with power lines. We are talking about the development of transport, turbines, radar stations, communication systems, optical electronics and much more.

The task of almost any laboratory dealing with superconductors is connected with the search for materials and conditions that would ensure superconductivity at temperatures as close as possible to “normal conditions”.

The fact that Russian scientists pay increased attention to the problems of studying superconductivity sets up an optimistic mood in terms of the development of domestic technologies in this area.
M.V. Sadovsky. High-temperature superconductivity in the FeSe monolayer: why is Tc so high?

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  1. +1
    5 November 2019 09: 48
    What is the material for? To convince that we still have a little science? Well yes, that is a fact.
    True, in the general areas of modern science we are by no means ahead of the rest.
    1. +9
      5 November 2019 11: 18
      any direction can suddenly become "general" if there is a breakthrough.
      only breakthroughs "suddenly" do not happen.
      and if a graduate student in the USA, in addition to housing and solving everyday problems, receives from 2500S per month, then I think we do not expect them.
      and in order to illustrate about science in the Russian Federation, just look at the% of those who left abroad for the last 5 years of graduates of the Moscow Institute of Physics, Mathematics and Physical Sciences
      1. 0
        5 November 2019 11: 53
        patron (stas) is another sufferer from this company, this purposefully convinces us that there ....... paradise, and nothing is possible with us - how tired they are of these whiners.
        1. +13
          5 November 2019 12: 09
          Quote: turbris
          patron (stas) is another sufferer from this company, this purposefully convinces us that there ....... paradise, and nothing is possible with us - how tired they are of these whiners.

          My friend went to Canada, and according to his impressions, yes, there is paradise. Mortgage 1,5%, down payment 8%, salary at the technician 3,5k Canadian dollars, when the veterinary diploma is confirmed, then up to 10k. The mentality of people is different, in the store it is easy to chat about life with the person you see for the first time, people love the place where they live, no one throws bulls on the lawn not because a fine, but because littering at home is stupid. Elk walk the streets, they are not afraid of people. But the most important thing is that laws work there and there is no lawlessness, there you will not be imprisoned for defending your family, you hurt someone. This is almost a quote of what he said, left 11 months ago.
          By the way ... I will not say for all professions, but now it’s more profitable to work as a veterinarian even in Namibia, because in the capital there are about 3k US dollars, housing is cheap, about 15 to rubles per month, in Africa ...
          1. -7
            5 November 2019 13: 23
            Dear, why are you still here! ride with god! and you will be happy. we walk the streets, bear, lynx, musk deer, wild boar, etc., this is a sho indicator! it's just a forest-taiga massif! Vet doctors became PARTICIPANTS! and we have a well-paid profession!
            1. +5
              5 November 2019 14: 09
              Quote: Far East
              Dear, why are you still here! ride with god! and you will be happy. we walk the streets, bear, lynx, musk deer, wild boar, etc., this is a sho indicator! it's just a forest-taiga massif! Vet doctors became PARTICIPANTS! and we have a well-paid profession!

              Yes, I would have toppled, they slow down 25 to Canadian dollars for each family member, necessary for emigration, and my diploma will be quoted there only next year, well, the language needs to be tightened again. But the most important thing is the parents are here, I can’t leave them. I wish that here, at home, it became like in Canada, and maybe even better. And this is directly related to the work of those who rule the country, but as we see the legal levers of the change of power do not work, and for illegal people they beat me on the head, put me in jail, and take out a bullet for two times, and there is no comprehensive movement of the masses towards reform. Seeing all this, people who have achieved something in their field and are in demand, just leave the country, driven by people like you :) Everything is well paid, very relatively, the top veterinary neurosurgeons in St. Petersburg get about 200-250, compared to the same its scope is a penny. In the same Canada, specialists of this level earn from 500, with a higher standard of living in general and the presence of all the other buns. I didn’t understand your phrase about private owners ... If you meant that vet doctors went into private business, open their vet offices and go on calls, then I will disappoint you. Modern veterinary medicine is impossible without modern diagnostics, a workable MRI now costs 50 million, ultrasound from 1,5 million. RG about 500 thousand. Not a single private owner will allow himself such a thing, but why go to you when you don’t have it and when there is a clinic across the road that has it all
              1. -3
                5 November 2019 22: 10
                (Anecdote if that) Worm (son) asks the worm (father): dad, is it good to live in mango? - dad answers: good! Is living in kiwi good? - the son asks the father. Fine ! - the father answers. Then why do you and I live in a cow flat cake? - the father replies: there is such a word Homeland ...
                1. -1
                  6 November 2019 20: 39
                  Comment about the fact that I love the homeland love . Mangoes, kiwi, bananas and other fruits are good for winter vacations and little by little ...
              2. 0
                6 November 2019 06: 28
                Ukraine reforms well advanced, in how cool they are now!
                Well, where we do not!
                1. -1
                  6 November 2019 10: 53
                  Quote: Fantazer911
                  Ukraine reforms well advanced, in how cool they are now!
                  Well, where we do not!

                  Each nation is worthy of its country, if after reforms in Ukraine the country moved from the garbage dump to the category of cesspools, then the local population is happy with it. If you think that after the reforms in Russia you will turn the country into a cesspool, then you give such an assessment to yourself and your people, but this does not mean that in fact everything is that way, and other people may have a different opinion. And why do you give Ukraine as an example, and not South Korea for example?
                  1. 0
                    6 November 2019 13: 42
                    You do not understand the meaning, I meant the reform of the coup hi
          2. +6
            5 November 2019 15: 45
            My friend went to Canada, and according to his impressions, yes, there is paradise. Mortgage 1,5%, down payment 8%, salary at the technician 3,5k Canadian dollars, when the veterinary diploma is confirmed, then up to 10k. The mentality of people is different, in the store it is easy to chat about life with the person you see for the first time, people love the place where they live, no one throws bulls on the lawn not because a fine, but because littering at home is stupid. Elk walk the streets, they are not afraid of people. But the most important thing is that laws work there and there is no lawlessness, there you will not be imprisoned for defending your family, you hurt someone. This is almost a quote of what he said, left 11 months ago.
            By the way ... I will not say for all professions, but now it’s more profitable to work as a veterinarian even in Namibia, because in the capital there are about 3k US dollars, housing is cheap, about 15 to rubles per month, in Africa ...

            20 years in Australia. I completely agree: But the most important thing is that the laws work there and there is no lawlessness there. The minister loses his job only because he spent the night at the expense of the state according to his needs. And there are many. Journalists do not doze off, immediately inflate the scandal, if they find something.
          3. -1
            6 November 2019 17: 24
            Forgot to write about taxes. And yes, Canada is a very high bar. But you can’t immediately catch up with the best in everything. They do not finance a huge, strong army with nuclear weapons (and the fleet), they do not border on poor Muslim / Asian overpopulated countries, and they have a lot of their resources and land and relatively few people that are well integrated. They have the opportunity to choose among those who want to come. They are part of the Western world and there are no restrictions on the use of technology. And, perhaps, the main thing is that right next to them they have the largest (so far) world market in which they have free access.
        2. +10
          5 November 2019 15: 10
          Of course, it is better to hide the facts of the mass departure of young scientists abroad, indicating that there is simply no other way than creating an acceptable home for them.
          it can be concealed that the math tech labs in the Russian Federation are 30 years behind modern
          one can hide that direct investment in science is an order of magnitude lower than in developed countries.
          the main thing is to shout "urrrya" and toss up your caps!
          1. -1
            5 November 2019 15: 56
            Of course, it is better to hide the facts of the mass departure of young scientists abroad, indicating that there is simply no other way than creating an acceptable home for them.
            it can be concealed that the math tech labs in the Russian Federation are 30 years behind modern
            one can hide that direct investment in science is an order of magnitude lower than in developed countries.

            I have never seen goods Made in Russiaexcept radio lamps. Soviet radio lamps are held in high esteem by Australian hams.
      2. +5
        5 November 2019 15: 17
        just take a look at the% of those who left abroad, for the last 5 years, graduates of mfti, math and physical faculty

        Under Peter 1 and Catherine, all the talents of Europe worked in Russia.
    2. -14
      5 November 2019 11: 50
      There is sure to be a person on duty on the site who performs the task of discrediting everything that is done in Russia, and where they broadcast it can be guessed from the slogans.
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      2. 0
        5 November 2019 15: 59
        There is sure to be a person on duty on the site who performs the task of discrediting everything that is done in Russia, and where they broadcast it can be guessed from the slogans.

        People express their opinion. Express your, if you do not agree.
  2. +1
    5 November 2019 09: 50
    "Many kilometers of power transmission lines" are unlikely to pay off because the cryogenic component is very expensive, complex and capricious thing.
    And it’s also dangerous - a gas leak with a subsequent increase in temperature will prove to be a beautiful flash and a loud woman with a fire.
    1. +7
      5 November 2019 10: 08
      Nitrogen explosion? Yes, even with a fire? Alternative chemistry?
      1. +9
        5 November 2019 10: 14
        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        Nitrogen explosion? Yes, even with a fire? Alternative chemistry?

        On the damaged part of the line, the temperature of the conductor will increase and, consequently, the resistance and voltage will increase. Guess what will happen.
        1. +7
          5 November 2019 10: 27
          There will be a protective shutdown.
          1. +2
            5 November 2019 10: 29
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            There will be a protective shutdown.

            This grandmother said in two.
        2. +7
          5 November 2019 10: 31
          Quote: Gray Brother
          On the damaged part of the line, the temperature of the conductor will increase and, consequently, the resistance and voltage will increase.

          Could you explain with what fright the voltage WILL RISE?
          Where exactly will grow?
          At the source? At the consumer? Somewhere along the road?
          Actually, Ohm’s law says - Increased resistance, decreased current!
          That's it!
          At the input, the load will drop sharply (or rather disappear). VOLTAGE will drop sharply at the output.
          At the entrance, without any haste, you can manually disable it.
          At the output, ONE (!) MINIMUM voltage relay operates (time setting is zero seconds) and cuts off the switch. The load is zero!
          That's it!
          1. -3
            5 November 2019 10: 37
            Quote: Victor_B
            Where exactly will grow?

            On the chain. The current will drop, and the voltage will rise.
            Quote: Victor_B
            The output triggers ONE (!) Voltage relay and cuts off the switch.

            Vaughn up on the video disables, yes.
            1. +11
              5 November 2019 10: 41
              Quote: Gray Brother
              On the chain. The current will drop, and the voltage will rise.

              Are you talking to me? Energy with 30 years of experience in electrical networks?
              Which such fireworks as in the video have personally seen more than once?
              And I don’t need only about transients in email. networks.

              To school!
              Ohm's Law is taught "in the real way."
              1. -4
                5 November 2019 10: 46
                Quote: Victor_B
                Are you talking to me? Energy with 30 years of experience in electrical networks?

                As for the voltage, I could be wrong (they will not take me to school anymore), but the temperature will go uphill - yes, it's me, you, the energy sector with thirty years of experience.
                1. +7
                  5 November 2019 10: 48
                  Quote: Gray Brother
                  but the temperature will go uphill

                  Enlighten at what speed.
                  For information - the shutdown time will be about 0,2 seconds. (With arc offset)
                  1. -2
                    5 November 2019 10: 59
                    Quote: Victor_B
                    Enlighten at what speed.

                    How should I know. Conduct an experiment - find a network with a thick cable and connect it through a 1,5 square wire, see how fast it burns.
                    Then tell me. smile
                    1. +7
                      5 November 2019 11: 01
                      Quote: Gray Brother
                      How should I know.

                      The thought is sound!
                      But I KNOW!
                      They taught me this.
                      Quote: Gray Brother
                      network with a thick cable and connect it through a wire of 1,5 squares, see how fast it burns.

                      Will not burn. The machine will turn off. And that’s all!
                      1. +4
                        5 November 2019 11: 24
                        The superconductor becomes an ordinary conductor instantly, while the resistance jumps from zero to the typical values ​​for this ordinary conductor, here you have a jump in temperature. It is unlikely that some ordinary machine will cope.
                      2. +3
                        5 November 2019 11: 28
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        The superconductor becomes an ordinary conductor instantly, while the resistance jumps from zero to the typical values ​​for this ordinary conductor, here you have a jump in temperature.

                        Well, RESISTANCE jumped, it became 1000 times more, well ...?
                        I = U / R.
                        R - increased sharply, the current fell. All!
                      3. +2
                        5 November 2019 11: 34
                        The temperature will not jump 1000 times? I’m interested in without a banter, because I did not supervise high-voltage networks, as well as you are superconducting))
                      4. +2
                        5 November 2019 11: 46
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        The temperature will not jump 1000 times?

                        Of course not.
                        Temperature INSTANTLY only during a chain reaction can jump UP.
                        And in life, everything happens for a perfectly reasonable period of time.
                        All relay protection systems operate instantly up to 2 seconds.
                      5. +3
                        5 November 2019 11: 55
                        R - increased sharply, the current fell. All!


                        U now falls on the damaged area. We multiply by the fallen current. And where is the guarantee that this fallen power
                        not enough to blow up a damaged piece?
                        Are you definitely an electrical engineer?
                      6. +3
                        5 November 2019 12: 04
                        Quote: dauria
                        U now falls on the damaged area. We multiply by the fallen current. And where is the guarantee that this fallen power
                        not enough to blow up a damaged piece?
                        Are you definitely an electrical engineer?

                        Once again, slowly and sadly ...
                        It is possible to detect the disappearance of superconductivity simply by the voltage at the load (it will drop sharply and shutdown will occur), but smart uncles shoved (you can rest assured) all sorts of different protections there.
                        Offhand.
                        Differential instantaneous protection.
                        Vulgar MTZ (max. Current) with a time delay for selectivity.
                        Maximum current cutoff (this is from short circuit).
                        Gas protection against pressure increase.
                        Surely a thermometer is provided, which means temperature.
                        etc.
                      7. -1
                        5 November 2019 12: 25
                        Differential instantaneous protection.
                        Vulgar MTZ (max. Current) with a time delay for selectivity.
                        Maximum current cutoff (this is from short circuit).


                        Ay. This is all "old". Three in one - a differential machine. No instantaneous inrush current, no delayed overcurrent, no neutral or phase leakage. So we melt and wait for "bangs". Check temperature, pressure, integrity? A pressurized sealed pipe from Balakhna to Nizhny Novgorod? Only 30 km. laughing Not gold will get such energy?
                      8. 0
                        5 November 2019 12: 31
                        Quote: dauria
                        Three in one - differential automaton.

                        Differential protection does not measure the maximum current.
                        It reacts to the difference in currents at opposite ends.
                        You can adjust the voltage difference.
                        Relatively speaking, the voltage difference has become more than 1% (for example) - immediately shutdown.
                        The disadvantage, or rather complexity, differential protection is the mandatory presence of a communication line.
                      9. +1
                        5 November 2019 12: 42
                        Differential protection does not measure the maximum current.


                        Stop showing "scholarship". I know very well that the differential is a "little difference". And the difference in currents is measured by the bifilar winding and the measuring coil. And there is a difference just with leaks on the PE bus. At least from the phase, at least from the isolated neutral. Replace the phase wire with a piece of nichrome - it will heat up, but none of these three protections will work
                        Say essentially what?
                        How did you gather pressure and temperature along the entire line?
                        Let me tell you - air is injected into the helicopter spar under pressure. laughing If cracked, air will come out.
                        Golden this energy transfer will come out only with cryogenics. And then take care of the control equipment.
                      10. +1
                        5 November 2019 20: 09
                        Quote: dauria
                        And the difference in currents is measured by bifilar winding and a measuring coil.
                        In networks, this is "somewhat" more complicated. You are not in vain told about the communication line.

                        Quote: dauria
                        Replace the phase wire with a piece of nichrome - it will heat up, but none of these three protections will work
                        Is this in the case of sabotage? Unbalanced current protection will work.

                        Quote: dauria
                        How did you gather pressure and temperature along the entire line?
                        Pressure is quite possible. Cables control.

                        Quote: dauria
                        Golden this energy transfer will come out only with cryogenics.
                        So what? If losses make up for costs, it's worth it.

                        Quote: dauria
                        And then take care of the control equipment.
                        Relay protection and automation in the energy sector is not the last service.

                        Quote: dauria
                        Say essentially what?
                        Exhale. It makes sense to make superconducting lines - a more compact line, no reactive losses ... there are problems with distribution and disconnection, but they are becoming less and less noticeable with the development of semiconductors (which I have to do without fail, but I have not seen domestic keys comparable to bourgeois ones) .
                      11. +3
                        5 November 2019 15: 41
                        dauria
                        From Balakhna to Nizhny, a new power line was erected for two years, like it was finished ...
                        Break it now? :-)
              2. 0
                5 November 2019 11: 33
                To school!
                Ohm's Law is taught "in the real way."

                No, Victor. This is for you, energy, you need to remember Ohm's law. And the gray brother is right. Energy will be redistributed between the old load and the new one - a section with high resistance. And it will turn into the very heat in this damaged area. There is no short circuit, there is no excess current, there is no leakage from the isolated neutral or phase - no old protection will work, it will melt until it smells.
                Will have to come up with a new line integrity protection
                1. +2
                  5 November 2019 11: 37
                  Quote: dauria
                  no old defense will work, it will melt until it smells.

                  I will reveal to you a terrible secret!
                  This problem (protection against such events) has long been solved simply on the knee.
                  I give a tooth!
                  1. 0
                    5 November 2019 11: 45
                    I give a tooth!


                    Not worth it. Dentists are expensive. How the defense works, I know without you. And I know how it makes the doors to the TP with all the protections and chromatographic analyzes of the oil. laughing
                    1. +1
                      5 November 2019 11: 53
                      Quote: dauria
                      And I know how makes the door to TP

                      You know, but I SAW.
                      To do this, only one thing is necessary - a short circuit, or, to say, violation of isolation between the phases.
                      Overloading with overheating of conductive conductors, especially with the melting thereof, is such an exotic thing that it does not occur in life.
                      Here is the carbonization of the cable insulation and a complete failure, this happens occasionally.
                      In my memory it was two times. (6 kV each, on the low side as much as you like).
                      1. 0
                        5 November 2019 11: 58
                        - This is such an exotic thing that it does not occur in life.


                        Yah ? laughing It is just the places of terminations and transitions that begin to warm up and melt the insulation. And only then - "goat" and "bang".
                      2. 0
                        5 November 2019 12: 09
                        Quote: dauria
                        And only then - "goat" and "bang".

                        That's when such lines will be hundreds and thousands, then the excavators will trample down on them and the slobs around them in commodity quantities will turn out to be here occasionally and will be
                        "goat" and "bang"
                        most certainly.
                      3. +1
                        5 November 2019 19: 44
                        Victor, you are not quite right in your dispute with Alexei. Any protection on planet Earth works. after the fact , that is, the event has already occurred, the protection only prevents the further development of negative consequences, alas, this is the logic of building this very protection crying True, there is an option to put Vanga or Nostradamus behind the switch lol here these will be able to do something even before the event ... yeah ...
                        Now we will consider the development of the event when applying a superconductor. The most basic drawback is the spasmodic transition from one state to another, moreover, not only the temperature, but also the magnetic field can influence the transition. We also need to recall Lyapunov's theory of stability and such provisions as stable equilibrium and unstable. And also the fact that superconductors are trying to do something to push the non-editable, that is, to increase the current density by a thousand times. As a result, taking into account the cost of rare-earth elements for creating a superconductor, we will have a wire with a cross section of 0,75 along which the megawatt power is transmitted 5 wassat If the temperature rises accidentally, for example, a shell breaks when the soil is displaced, but someone just walked alongside a magnet (hypothetically) in a small volume, huge power starts to flow like an avalanche, and while the relay detects, transmits a signal, actuators work, we will have a small boom laughing The truth is, well, a little more than repeatedly you have observed in your practice, Alexey here horribly Yes
                    2. +1
                      5 November 2019 11: 55
                      Quote: dauria
                      chromatographic analyzes of oil

                      What is another chromatograph?
                      Abbreviated chemical analysis, but in the distribution networks is simply not a breakdown.
                2. 0
                  5 November 2019 21: 27
                  Quote: dauria
                  Will have to come up with a new line integrity protection

                  The voltage drop across the line should be approximately zero. With growth - turn off the line. Well, you have to lay one additional signal cable.
                  The problem is different, at high currents, superconductivity is destroyed by itself. And at small it is disadvantageous. High currents are possible at ultra-low temperatures, near absolute zero, which is also disadvantageous.
            2. +5
              5 November 2019 10: 58
              Quote: Gray Brother
              Vaughn up on the video disables, yes.

              By the kick. I explain.
              An arc to the ground burns on a 110 kV transmission line.
              It burns long and beautifully because the protection against short circuit did not work.
              But it should have been.
              1. +4
                5 November 2019 11: 03
                Quote: Victor_B
                But it should have been.

                I know what I should have. In fact of the matter.
                1. +1
                  5 November 2019 11: 05
                  Quote: Gray Brother
                  In fact of the matter.

                  And the spy can lock nut!
                  1. +4
                    5 November 2019 11: 08
                    Quote: Victor_B
                    And the spy can lock nut!

                    It is easy.
                    1. +2
                      5 November 2019 11: 13
                      Quote: Gray Brother
                      It is easy.

                      First, the arc to the ground burns (6kV cable), protection against short-circuit to ground in 6-10 kV networks does not turn off automatically.
                      But when it started, it didn’t cross-phase, but then it turned off.
                      1. +3
                        5 November 2019 11: 21
                        Quote: Victor_B
                        But when it banged

                        And now you’ll figure it out when the nitrogen in the pipeline segment goes into a gaseous state.
                      2. +1
                        5 November 2019 11: 24
                        Quote: Gray Brother
                        And now you’ll figure it out when the nitrogen in the pipeline segment goes into a gaseous state.

                        No way!
                        Babakh is possible ONLY if the INSULATION is damaged, but it does not provide nitrogen at all.
                      3. +3
                        5 November 2019 11: 31
                        Quote: Victor_B
                        Babakh is possible ONLY if the INSULATION is damaged, but it does not provide nitrogen at all.

                        Nitrogen provides superconductivity. In the event of a gas leak, it will disappear and the conductor will start to heat up and the remaining nitrogen will quickly begin to change its state of aggregation from liquid to gaseous.
                      4. -1
                        5 November 2019 11: 57
                        Quote: Gray Brother
                        the conductor will start to bask

                        Yes, they will not let him warm up.
                        With a quick shutdown.
            3. 0
              5 November 2019 11: 27
              bug hto that fucked up zdarovag)
              1. +2
                5 November 2019 11: 31
                Quote: patron
                Bug hto that fucked up zdarovag

                The current to earth is about 30 amperes.
                Protection works on a signal.
                It is allowed not to turn off the order of an hour to find the place of damage.
                Consumers do not suspect the presence of a short circuit to the ground.
          2. +2
            5 November 2019 10: 42
            Quote: Victor_B
            fright voltage will increase?


            The comrade had in mind the voltage drop in this area, and, accordingly, slightly smoke.
            1. +4
              5 November 2019 10: 44
              Quote: chenia
              The comrade had in mind the voltage drop in this area, and, accordingly, slightly smoke.

              Will not have time to smoke.
              RZ (relay protection) will instantly work on the voltage at the far end of the cable.
              (If anything, the whole defense of Vladivostok was on me for 10 years).
              Distribution of networks 6kV.
              1. +3
                5 November 2019 11: 00
                This is true, but there are many chemists who can block the defense. And until a certain time, isolation holds, and then an avalanche-like process. Where do the accidents come from?
                1. 0
                  5 November 2019 11: 09
                  Quote: chenia
                  Where do the accidents come from?

                  In a movie, a crow could scratch its beak. I saw the consequences personally.
                  The automatic reclosure (automatic re-activation) should have worked, but this is not fate.
              2. 0
                5 November 2019 20: 18
                Quote: Victor_B
                Will not have time to smoke.
                People simply do not know that a superconductor is a superconductor, but it has limitations on the current density. And as soon as it heats up - the transmission will be like on traditional power lines (well, almost).
                It makes sense to make direct current lines on superconductors.
          3. +2
            5 November 2019 11: 46
            On generators, when the circuit breaks, there will be a jump in the larger direction, voltage, especially with multiple loads, and not just a superconductor.
            In Chernobyl, they wanted to cool the exploding reactor with nitrogen. Nitrogen chemists replied that when heated to high temperatures, strong poison forms and it is impossible to use this method in any case.
    2. +4
      5 November 2019 10: 17
      Why would a nitrogen leak lead to an explosion and explosion?
      1. +1
        5 November 2019 10: 25
        Quote: Chaldon48
        Why would a nitrogen leak lead to an explosion and explosion?

        Superconductivity is provided by low temperature. Gas will leave - the temperature will begin to rise, and the conductor will begin to warm up, as a result of which the gas will begin to boil and evaporate, due to which the process will accelerate exponentially.
        1. -1
          5 November 2019 10: 29
          I have long been focusing on the fact that temperature is a derivative of what! Means methods can be more advanced and meaningful.
        2. 0
          5 November 2019 12: 14
          Nitrogen in superconductors is in liquid form. The boiling process takes place at a constant temperature, so that no local overheating instantly occurs.
          1. +2
            5 November 2019 12: 43
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            Nitrogen in superconductors is in liquid form.

            This superconductors are in nitrogen)))
  3. +1
    5 November 2019 09: 50
    For the economy is very important. But, when these power lines appear in our country, this will be another reason for raising electricity tariffs. After all, our power engineers cannot refuse money in favor of the consumer, and the state cannot deprive them of the opportunity to receive additional profit.
    1. +3
      5 November 2019 09: 57
      Quote: bessmertniy
      For the economy is very important.

      So far only 1,5 km of the experimental line has been laid, as far as I know, to see how it works.
      Before the economy there, as before China in the pose of a drinking deer.
    2. +3
      5 November 2019 10: 04
      Quote: bessmertniy
      then this will be another reason for raising electricity tariffs

      Nobody has counted anything yet, have you already counted?
      Yes you are a damn genius! Bgg.
      In fact, an excuse is not needed at all to raise tariffs.
  4. 0
    5 November 2019 09: 50
    The ideas of creating superconductivity are corny reduced to creating a process of absence or leveling of the process of self-induction. I will give a simple example. A simple technologically reproducible inductive coilless coil forms the dominants of a rotating magnetic flux. Not the linear and reverse translational dominants as in a solenoid, namely the dominant of rotation. All !!! a new engine, all the private elements of which are perceived as abnormal, becomes obvious, understandable and reproducible. Permanent magnets are simply replaced by such coils and create break-in moments that rotate the rotor. That is, in fact, we have an electric bearing. But I note that the bearing is modern wrong because you need to understand the principle of operation of the Searl motor. Therefore, in microelectronics the issue is solved identically
    1. +1
      5 November 2019 17: 59
      Quote: gridasov
      I will give a simple example

      Did that sound out of your mouth ?! laughing Gum Club nervously smoking on the sidelines! wassat
  5. +1
    5 November 2019 09: 59
    If anyone knows what the essence of the process of self-pushing water is in the pipe of Magomed Sagov. That is identical to the hydro-gas-dynamic process in a power transmission line, the simplest non-winding device, simply put on a linear conductor will create a magnetic flux rotational. Well, remember that any rotation creates an additional impulse of linear motion.
  6. +1
    5 November 2019 10: 05
    A solenoid made of superconducting material can operate without energy input. Maintaining a solenoid in a superconducting state does not require large energy costs. With zero resistance, a heat sink is practically not needed: superconducting magnets are much more compact than ordinary ones: a kilogram of a superconducting magnet creates a magnetic field, equivalent in strength to the field of a 20-ton ordinary electromagnet.
    Here is the solution to the problem of TN synthesis.
    1. +1
      5 November 2019 10: 34
      You are mistaken! The solenoid has an interturn magnetic resistance about flow. Therefore, we increase the current strength and voltage - we get an increase in self-induction. In general, it is impossible to get rid of it, for well-known reasons, but it is not difficult to destroy proportional dependencies
      1. 0
        5 November 2019 12: 04
        I agree, self-induction can "destroy" superconductivity. But let physicists think.
    2. +1
      5 November 2019 11: 07
      There is a huge range of problems behind what has been said. Moreover, they have no solutions.
      Therefore, it is necessary to find the optimal methods and algorithms for such solutions. The thermonuclear reaction spontaneously occurs in theverdynamic processes of fluid movement. Having solved one problem, we solve the whole problem
  7. +5
    5 November 2019 10: 25
    First of all, high-temperature superconductivity is needed to create traction electric motors with specific power up to 100 kW / kg.

    For example, in shipboard nuclear power plants with gearless turbogenerators and traction motors, this will allow switching to full electric movement in the entire speed range without generating noise by gears.
    1. 0
      5 November 2019 10: 38
      Twenty five again! the physical principles of operation of both turbines and engines need to be changed to the dominants of rotating magnetic fluxes. I watched the assembly of Audi electric engines on the Internet. Well done to everyone, but there are no fundamental ideas. Millions have been invested in the equipment of the antediluvian technology.
  8. +2
    5 November 2019 11: 16
    Argued Gray brother and AS Ivanov who learned the best material at school ... Apparently AS Ivanov and Victor_B less often skipped classes and ran around the corner of the school to smoke.
  9. +4
    5 November 2019 11: 31
    The superconducting field of research is closely intertwined with thermonuclear research. As soon as superconductors working under normal conditions are created, the problems of thermonuclear fusion will be solved, but for now we’ll wait 70 years.
  10. +2
    5 November 2019 12: 41
    Quote: Victor_B

    Differential protection does not measure the maximum current.
    It reacts to the difference in currents at opposite ends.

    And you do not confuse differential protection and RCD? It seems that the difavtomat also works according to the difference in currents according to the maximum current. No?
  11. 0
    5 November 2019 13: 08
    Quote: patron
    any direction can suddenly become "general" if there is a breakthrough.
    only breakthroughs "suddenly" do not happen.
    and if a graduate student in the USA, in addition to housing and solving everyday problems, receives from 2500S per month, then I think we do not expect them.
    and in order to illustrate about science in the Russian Federation, just look at the% of those who left abroad for the last 5 years of graduates of the Moscow Institute of Physics, Mathematics and Physical Sciences

    Only a shopkeeper can count everything for loot. Apparently, you are from this cohort of figures. If this were so, then in other countries (not only in the USSR, Russia ...) no one would be left, not only graduate students, but also tractor drivers.
    The TAM scientist receives many times less manager, lawyer, doctor. Not loot decides. The amazingly tuned near-science management system solves it. If for the experiment, you need a device or reagent, and it is included in the cost estimate (watch this be healthy!) This will be provided yesterday. And a graduate student (a strange attitude towards a student as a great scientist, because a graduate student is zero in science) does not need to wait tiringly for months and years.
    The real scientist is not thinking about making money next week. He thinks about doing his job, about his prestige, about his name, and on this builds his career, and EARNINGS IN THE FUTURE FUTURE.
  12. -1
    5 November 2019 13: 21
    Quote: Sergst
    Quote: Victor_B

    Differential protection does not measure the maximum current.
    It reacts to the difference in currents at opposite ends.

    And you do not confuse differential protection and RCD? It seems that the difavtomat also works according to the difference in currents according to the maximum current. No?

    Yes, yes, but the maximum speed works there EXTRA, and with the help of already well-established methods. RCD is like with a maximum speed. and without it. This is like two devices in one. And then the maximum speed is provided by an additional automatic machine, connected above the RCD, and with a protection current less than the permissible trip current of the RCD.
  13. 0
    5 November 2019 13: 26
    Quote: Bar2
    The superconducting field of research is closely intertwined with thermonuclear research. As soon as superconductors working under normal conditions are created, the problems of thermonuclear fusion will be solved, but for now we’ll wait 70 years.

    Not at all necessary. Thermonuclear and superconductivity are fundamentally different things. They help the implementation of each other, as the car helps computing. But no more than that.
    Superconductivity at a temperature of 20 degrees Celsius may never be reached. But on this basis, it is indispensable to engage in thermonuclear poisoning.
  14. 0
    5 November 2019 13: 27
    Quote: gridasov
    You are mistaken! The solenoid has an interturn magnetic resistance about flow. Therefore, we increase the current strength and voltage - we get an increase in self-induction. In general, it is impossible to get rid of it, for well-known reasons, but it is not difficult to destroy proportional dependencies

    Write the formula. And you will see that there is no proportional dependence. Scientist, your mother!
    Or are you still trying to realize your wandering with a wire of triangular section?
    1. 0
      5 November 2019 14: 44
      It’s impossible to write that a person is stupid, but to belittle my own mother. There are a lot of you unstressed, but arrogant and ill-bred. For a long time did not appear and again I leave. Although it strengthens me, it’s not nice to deal with such
  15. 0
    5 November 2019 15: 25
    Quote: gridasov
    It’s impossible to write that a person is stupid, but to belittle my own mother. There are a lot of you unstressed, but arrogant and ill-bred. For a long time did not appear and again I leave. Although it strengthens me, it’s not nice to deal with such

    And this is the only right decision. We have a lot of Gridasovs and Napoleons. It is a pity that not all of them are where they simply have to be, if only because of their safety and the safety of those around them.
  16. 0
    5 November 2019 15: 40
    Quote: Operator
    First of all, high-temperature superconductivity is needed to create traction electric motors with specific power up to 100 kW / kg.

    For example, in shipboard nuclear power plants with gearless turbogenerators and traction motors, this will allow switching to full electric movement in the entire speed range without generating noise by gears.

    How is the condition of maximum magnetic saturation inevitably occurring in any ferromagnetic material, and at any wire cross-sections, preventing the increase in power, with zero resistance of a vanishingly small cross-section of the wire, but superconducting? Make magnetic materials superconducting? But will there be ANY interaction then? Brushless multiphase motors can rotate rotors in huge speed ranges. Semiconductors in this area do wonders. But what about math ???? She, such a bastard, prohibits with deep regulation to have the same torques on the shaft. At low speeds, millionth power motors have vanishingly small moments on the shaft. And who to shoot for? Ohm? Ampere? Gauss? Or Dolivo-Dobrovolsky?
  17. -1
    5 November 2019 21: 17
    Speaking about the prospects of science, I want to say that our science does not have any prospects, while the scientific staff sn 20k rubles
  18. +1
    6 November 2019 01: 10
    Quote: Vol4ara
    Quote: Far East
    Dear, why are you still here! ride with god! and you will be happy. we walk the streets, bear, lynx, musk deer, wild boar, etc., this is a sho indicator! it's just a forest-taiga massif! Vet doctors became PARTICIPANTS! and we have a well-paid profession!

    Yes, I would have toppled, they slow down 25 to Canadian dollars for each family member, necessary for emigration, and my diploma will be quoted there only next year, well, the language needs to be tightened again. But the most important thing is the parents are here, I can’t leave them. I wish that here, at home, it became like in Canada, and maybe even better. And this is directly related to the work of those who rule the country, but as we see the legal levers of the change of power do not work, and for illegal people they beat me on the head, put me in jail, and take out a bullet for two times, and there is no comprehensive movement of the masses towards reform. Seeing all this, people who have achieved something in their field and are in demand, just leave the country, driven by people like you :) Everything is well paid, very relatively, the top veterinary neurosurgeons in St. Petersburg get about 200-250, compared to the same its scope is a penny. In the same Canada, specialists of this level earn from 500, with a higher standard of living in general and the presence of all the other buns. I didn’t understand your phrase about private owners ... If you meant that vet doctors went into private business, open their vet offices and go on calls, then I will disappoint you. Modern veterinary medicine is impossible without modern diagnostics, a workable MRI now costs 50 million, ultrasound from 1,5 million. RG about 500 thousand. Not a single private owner will allow himself such a thing, but why go to you when you don’t have it and when there is a clinic across the road that has it all

    What kind of parents? Come on, if the Motherland does not mean anything to you, then the old people who will give oak anyway, will you be with them, or with vibera, talking to them?
    Apparently, you do not yet know ALL the rules for moving to the Promised Land. Application, resume, waiting for a decision three years ..... Lack of debts in all banking matters. Lack of criminal deadlines. Knowledge of the laws of Canada and the state where you are going to cheat. Language, of course. A certain financial independence, expressed in a bank card, and a contribution to banks NOT in Russia. Find the Russian-language Canadian forum. Without being registered there, as a Russian, they will not be registered and will not be accepted. Lie that out .....

    And a feather in the ass with a fair wind. Take an interest there, why does this scum Serebryakov, who left for a dream, plow on Russian television? Apparently, it’s more customary to get the Russian loot more pleasant than expected in Canadian papers.
  19. 0
    11 November 2019 10: 21
    To heated debate about the possible consequences of the loss of superconductivity, an example is the accident at the LHC. Below are links to the best Russian-language scientific and popular resource (https://elementy.ru/LHC, experts write there).
    Event itself: "An accident at the Large Hadron Collider delays experiments indefinitely", https://elementy.ru/novosti_nauki/430839
    One of the magnets in sector 34 transitioned from the superconducting state to the normal state with instantaneous loss of current (in English this is called quench, “current quenching”). In principle, such events may occur from time to time without harm to the equipment. In fact, the magnets were designed and “trained” so that in the case of local heating above the superconducting point, the entire magnet safely leaves the superconducting state and safely extinguishes the current. However, it seems that something more serious has happened in sector 34. Firstly, the temperature graphs show that a section of this sector has heated up to almost 100 K. This means that it was not possible to hold liquid helium there.

    Parsing Results: "The accident of September 19, 2008 and its consequences", https://elementy.ru/LHC/LHC_working/incident
    Outwardly, the accident looked like a sudden exit from the superconducting state of about a hundred rotary magnets of sector 3-4, some of which received mechanical damage. The cryogenic system also received damage, which caused several tons of helium to be thrown into the LHC tunnel.

    Official Report: "Published a report on the investigation of the accident at the Large Hadron Collider", https://elementy.ru/novosti_nauki/430878
    An electric arc appeared in the region of the initial electrical contact, which broke through the insulation of the helium cooling system. In the first seconds, helium began to evaporate into the vacuum chambers inside the cryostat, sharply worsening the vacuum conditions. Local energy release led to an increase in liquid helium pressure above the operating value, and at a certain threshold, spring valves opened, releasing excess helium into the tunnel. The quenching of the current and the release of helium began in the meantime in the neighboring sections, however, the valves could not keep the pressure in the adjacent sections the same. As a result, there was a pressure drop between the sections, which led to mechanical damage to the intersection barrier. Because of this, the cryostat has shifted from its supports, breaking in some places the attachment to the concrete floor.
    These displacements damaged the cryogenic line, due to which about 2 tons of helium were quickly thrown into the tunnel.

    ... while it is difficult to work with superconductors.