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Heroic operation "Valkyrie"

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“Altogether at least 40 assassinations were committed on Adolf Hitler”



An interesting topic here is the very “assassination of Hitler”. You read, and your hands are shaking, it would seem, a little more ... A little more - and the main villain of all time would be destroyed. The impression is that there was nothing more for people in Europe to do but to encroach on the life of Adolf Hitler. Cabinetmakers and students, English officers and just loafers ... Everyone encroached on Adolf Hitler.



That's how they knew ... how they knew how it would all end, and therefore they attempted! Just some kind of series! And even the mentally ill homosexuals fired from the Luftwaffe attempted. How without them! They tried to blow up the Fuhrer, they wanted to shoot the Fuhrer, they wanted to poison the Fuhrer! Literally every second wanted the Fuhrer of evil ... such an impression.

But ... the Fuhrer was not injured! Never! Up to that fateful meeting of the 20 of July of the 1944 of the year ... But how they attempted, how they tried ... they just couldn’t eat or breathe, so they attempted on the precious life of the Fuhrer of the German people. But it didn’t burn out for anyone. Up until that meeting.

Around the brilliant Fuhrer of all Aryans, the conspirators walked simply in shoals. And everyone carried to him either a charged Walther, or an English mine, or some other dirty trick. But every time everything went wrong. Watching it on TV is even better than reading it on the Internet. By REN TV, for example. German folk fun: encroach on the Fuhrer. Already breathtaking, and involuntarily you begin to sympathize with this "Bohemian corporal", as arrogant Prussian generals sometimes called him contemptuously.

It becomes a little incomprehensible: what did the legendary Gestapo and other SD do in general. Raven counted? By the way, yes, about the Prussian generals.

Officers and gentlemen ...


Deutsche Welle:
“In 1944 on that day, an explosion occurred at Hitler’s headquarters in East Prussia. This was not the first, but the most serious attempt on the Fuhrer, the result of a conspiracy against him and his accomplices. But Hitler survived. Hundreds of participants in the conspiracy (primarily military personnel from noble German families) were executed. The memory of these people who saved, like the other heroes of the Resistance, the honor of the Germans, is highly respected in today's Germany. ”


And it is the German generals that are usually designated as a sharply opposition structure in relation to the Nazis. The holy people are these German officers. And it seems like they even saved the honor of Germany ... beautifully, of course.

"The combat officers despised the" butchers "from the SS, considered it shameful to wage war against the civilian population and shoot prisoners, whoever they were."


Noble, very ...

“Nevertheless, Stauffenberg, like many of his like-minded officers, believed that first you need to win the war, and only then, as he then told his brother Bertold,“ remove the brown scum. ”


And it is reasonable at first, under the leadership of the “ingenious Fuhrer,” to exterminate subhuman people, and only then to destroy the Fuhrer himself. That is, “two in one”: both nobility and reason. Two qualities that glorified the Prussian aristocracy. In general, reading about the misadventures of the conspirators in general uniforms, you are simply amazed. But they didn’t like the Fuhrer at once, immediately after coming to power they didn’t like it. After the first meeting with them as the official head of Germany, Hitler aroused persistent antipathy among the German generals. And conspiracies began ...

Conspiracy Generals


You know, any adequate person who has read a book about these same “conspiracies and conspirators in high-top caps” has a kind of cognitive dissonance. It seems that the reason for the defeat of Germany in World War II is the excessive "non-core" workload of German generals in drawing up plans for conspiracies "to kill Adolf." They consisted of them continuously, in mass ... They did not believe Hitler, they hated the Nazis, and therefore - conspiracies!

At least, various "idle historians" there are constantly writing about this. And immediately there is such a strong internal sense of contradiction: Hitler Germany seemed to be famous for its "totalitarianism" and its special services, so what's the matter? Why did all this "subversive activity" go unnoticed in fact? How was this even possible?

If all the plans for “killing the emperor” were drawn up by dark and illiterate peasants from the deaf Black Forest villages, then this would still be clear - you can’t keep track of everyone. But these damn conspiracies were constantly drawn up directly in the midst of the highest (and not only) German generals. That somehow it looks strange. Unbelievable.

You see, the whole trick is that generally there are usually not many generals, but their influence is just the opposite, in the sense - in abundance. And to us, you understand, all ears buzzed about the omnipotence of the German intelligence services. "Everything is under the hood." Literally everything. The author does not wear the proud brand "special services veteran", but when studying the heroic stories of the anti-Hitler conspirators from the Wehrmacht ... well, there is some kind of persistent feeling of either "linden", or "misinformation", or mystification. And quite tastelessly worked.

Simply, when such work has been carried out continuously for many years, the result should be either a putsch (sooner or later), or the disclosure of a conspiracy. It just doesn’t happen in another way. Especially when dozens of people are involved. And they are constantly discussing something. And the duration of such a process is measured rather than months, but months. If you are close to the heights of power and you are being watched. And if you are a general in Nazi Germany, then you are being watched. In theory. Or not?

But how is it possible, being at the top military posts of 10 years, to engage in conspiracies and not get caught at the same time? For me, it is "beyond good and evil." How is this even possible? The country is not only authoritarian and totalitarian to the limit, but it is also waging war ... But somehow God was merciful.

This raises another simple question about the level of intelligence of German generals. Didn’t they understand that even in the most democratic country “subversive conversations” were a reason for resignation. And in the empire of Adolf Hitler ... where for an extra phrase it was possible “to rattle a bowler in zones ...” Moreover, this extra phrase (according to eyewitnesses) could be quite harmless, and an ordinary burgher who was very far from any politician could have spoken out. And then they took him "under the little white hands."

But the generals talked, talked (reminiscent of an operetta), but couldn’t really agree on anything. Which is strange enough. After all, people are military, disciplined. Energetic and peppy. And they behaved like civilian hollow. In the descriptions of their activities, it is precisely its duration and breadth of contacts that amaze ... Imagine that the red commanders, instead of strengthening the defense, have been discussing plans for the overthrow of Stalin for years over a glass of vodka. And comrade Beria at this time trying on a new form and engaged in hardware intrigues. Fierce nonsense. You can’t say otherwise.

But this is precisely what happened under the gloomy vaults of Hitler’s empire. World domination, say? Oh well.

Strange is all


And in stories The Third Reich is generally a lot of strange, incomprehensible. There is generally much more cloudy than transparent. If we put aside propaganda, then the "picture in the frame" frankly blurred. Both questions of financing the NSDAP and questions of financing of the Reich already leave more questions than answers, and it is very difficult to fully solve them. Everything is muddy somehow. Shaky and foggy.

That is, the sacramental question “how could this even happen?” Is getting harder and harder to answer every year. It is already impossible to respond. Everything is too tight, too unnatural. And the advent of Adolf Hitler to power, allegedly funded by German industrialists (in the course of the play it turns out that it’s not entirely German). In general, the question of who financed the NSDAP in the 20 and the beginning of the 30's is openly hanging in the air.

And how did the Western powers allow Hitler to win the election? And why? Why didn’t they touch Hitler in the middle of the 30’s and didn’t stop him from arming himself and taking over neighboring countries ... There are a lot of questions. And this is the very operation to eliminate Hitler in July 44. Interesting to see when it all happens. And on 6 on June 1944, the Allies landed in Normandy. Successfully. And just after this finally hit Hitler, and also quite successfully. Nearly.

Everything that was “before this” did not create a threat to the health and life of the Führer. This is an impression. But on the 20 of July of the 44, he was finally "rushed". But the Fuhrer survived. Or did his double survive? Or the double died, but ... Not the point. In reality, the first "normal" attempt with good chances happened just on 20 of July. A month and a half after landing in Normandy. See? And the dates all fit.

Very logical kill


In general, the successful landing of the Anglo-Saxons in Normandy dramatically changed everything for the Third Reich. The war in Africa is a colonial war (essentially). The landing in Italy is far from the Second Front (the geography there is inconvenient). But the landing in Normandy ... the landing of the fresh forces of the two great powers changed everything, and very dramatically. The game escalated. Hitler (unlike the Kaiser!) Simply had no strength on the second front. And his discovery meant disaster.

In principle, even the Bagration operation (which began just on the 20 of June) changed little in the east. The Red Army advanced, the Wehrmacht rolled back. Some principal there were no changes. The German generals knew the correlation of forces; they were not worth waiting for something good. And most importantly - no there is no evidence of “contacts” of German generals in the east. It’s just not, and that’s it.

But there were contacts “in the west”. Since 30's. And no one denies this. Contacts are wide and numerous. German generals "there" were constantly negotiating. And where did the special services look? Where to? But nothing of the kind has been recorded in the east. And somehow little is known that initially they were planning to remove Hitler (already really!), And together with Himmler and Goering, already on the 11 of July of the 44. Further “Rommel’s wound and unsuccessful“ rehearsal ”of the July 15 mutiny, when it was difficult to justify itself due to the appearance of troops tanks in Berlin, as if paralyzed by the conspirators. " No, you imagine this today, in any country that is not even at war.

There, in Hitler's Reich, some trash was happening. The Wehrmacht so easily introduces tanks to Berlin. And no one has serious questions: what is it? That is just after the successful start of Overlord’s coup in Germany was given a “go-ahead”. Right away after. Oddly enough, no one is trying to link these two operations: Overlord and Valkyrie into one logical chain. But everything develops by itself.

And it’s quite logical. And it was not in vain that Rommel was forced to "commit suicide" (in January 1944 Rommel was appointed commander of Army Group B in Northern France). How it all fits ... That is, just the landing in Normandy served as the decisive argument for the German officers. Before that, they thought, hesitated and doubted. And then they decided.

Heroic operation "Valkyrie"


“After 70 years, it should be noted: public opinion over-idealized the conspirators,” said Heinz Lamowski, an ex-employee of the GDR State Archives, historian. In modern Germany, streets are named after them, monuments were erected to them. It is forgotten that the ultimate goal of the plan to kill Hitler was to conclude peace with the allies in the West and start a joint war against the USSR. One of the leaders of the conspiracy, General Ludwig Beck (if the assassination was successful, he was going to become president of Germany), said: "The Reich will save unification with the Americans in the fight against Bolshevism." And the ex-burgomaster of Leipzig, Karl Goerdeler (they planned to make him chancellor) wrote in his diary: "After the elimination of Hitler, the Russians will not be able to take Berlin." "Among the conspirators there were enough ardent opponents of Nazism, monarchists and nationalists, but there was not a single supporter of the Soviet Union."


Generally, gentlemen, German officers saved their skins. This is to be completely accurate. And not with Nazism fought. That is why July is 44. When, finally and irrevocably, it became clear to everyone that the Reich was doomed in the current geopolitical situation. There can be no talk of any "conscience" or "insight". Neither in the 40, nor in the 41, nor in the 42, was anyone seriously attacking Hitler.

That is, plans and conversations are one thing, and real actions are a little different. So, it seems to me, around this same Valkyrie, a “cover operation” is being actively carried out. Say, the Führer was attempted at all times. Because if you accept the opposite version, then many questions arise immediately. If you connect the 6 of June and the 20 of July in one chain ... then an ugly picture is created.

Europe-44


The successful coup in Germany in July 44 th dramatically changed the geopolitical balance of power. Negotiations with Hitler were absolutely impossible for the Allies, but the German generals, “not tarnished in Nazi crimes,” are a completely different matter. You can and should talk to them. But for this, the Nazi elite must be eliminated. "They are too bad guys."

In general, for the Anglo-Saxons this is a very characteristic move - not to hit in the forehead, but to hit in the back when the enemy does not expect this. I met the recollections of the Europeans (Belgians) of that era - they say, in the summer of 44, after the Overlord, many were waiting for the overthrow of Hitler and the revolution, as in 18 ... but Hitler survived, and instead of the revolution flew Fau.

In general, there is such an impression that Mr. Hitler was literally waiting until the last for some proposals “from the West”. Just he (unlike many naive journalists) had a good idea of ​​real world politics and asked a simple question: do Anglo-Saxons really want the triumph of Bolshevism in Europe? Yes, that cannot be! That is why he fought literally to the last, selling his life dearly. The impression is that his “message” to the West was very simple: the defeat of the Reich is expensive and difficult and will benefit only the Stalinist USSR. Think about it.

And already the German generals wanted to offer the same thing, but already eliminating Hitler himself. Which, of course, dramatically increased their chances of success. For some reason, Operation "The Unthinkable" is immediately recalled. That is, Adolf Hitler, as it were, was useful to many until a certain point, and then ceased to be useful (as happens in politics), well, they decided to “eliminate” him - nothing unique, it happens. But he survived, having broken all the plans of the conspirators and their curators. I had to fight with Hitler almost for real. But in terms of "A" even the American landing "on Berlin" does not look rubbish. But the elimination of Hitler without any “guarantees” on the part of the West looks like complete nonsense. The Anglo-Saxons are very fond of giving such "guarantees." Otherwise, it turns out stupid - well, you “eliminated” Hitler and Himmler on a “proactive basis” ... and then you from London and Washington offer “honestly surrender” ... and what is the “profit” here?

Roughly speaking, if Hitler had "self-cut" in July of the 44, and not in April of the 45, this would have dramatically changed all the alignments in Europe and in the world. Less than a year, and the difference is huge. But then he did not want to do this, and what happened happened. For all their cynicism and pragmatism, the Anglo-Saxons could not agree directly with Adolf Hitler: too much hung on him from the point of view of the Western voter. That is, I really want to ... but not at all. This is precisely what the “Bohemian corporal” could not understand in any way, that the option of a “red” Eastern Europe is extremely unpleasant for the West, but the version of “political agreements with Mr. Adolf Hitler” in the summer of 44 is categorically unacceptable. Rather, even this: the first option is unacceptable, the second, unfortunately, is impossible.

For some reason, the most famous German chancellor in history could not understand that he received the final answer of the Anglo-Saxons to all his “proposals” (also a kind of Endlösung) in the Wolf’s Den bunker on 20 on July 44. And, to paraphrase a German proverb, you can say this: "And you don’t sit with the Anglo-Saxons porridge, they all have one thicker hamburger."

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  1. svp67
    svp67 5 November 2019 15: 56 New
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    And even the mentally ill homosexuals fired from the Luftwaffe attempted.
    It is somehow strange that Hollywood has not yet made a movie about this heroic act ...
    "The combat officers despised the" butchers "from the SS, considered it shameful to wage war against the civilian population and shoot prisoners, whoever they were."
    This is called a LYCEPHEMY. Quite a lot of documents of the Wehrmacht were captured, where the military leadership gives the order to conduct punitive actions against the population and prisoners ...
  2. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 5 November 2019 16: 01 New
    +4
    Interestingly, with the claimed number of assassination attempts, alozych used unarmored railway wagons and convertible cars mi ...
    1. svp67
      svp67 5 November 2019 16: 07 New
      +5
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Interestingly, with the claimed number of assassination attempts, alozych used unarmored railway wagons and convertible cars mi ...

      He was a fatalist and believed in holding, and not one armored car or armored car could save him.
      1. Blacksmith 55
        Blacksmith 55 5 November 2019 16: 49 New
        +5
        However, honestly, I must honestly say Staufenberg and accomplices, state criminals. They wanted to overthrow the government, although it (the government in Germany) was criminal.
        By this opinion of mine, I do not in any way protect either one or the other. The entire regime in Germany was criminal at that time.
        1. ser56
          ser56 5 November 2019 17: 07 New
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          Quote: Blacksmith 55
          although she (the power in Germany) was criminal.

          however, at the same time legal ... Hitler gained power legally ... hi
          1. svp67
            svp67 5 November 2019 19: 12 New
            +1
            Quote: ser56
            Hitler gained power legally ...

            But how much legally kept?
            1. ser56
              ser56 6 November 2019 15: 42 New
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              Quote: svp67
              But how much legally kept?

              I will say this - to the repression of the Bolsheviks against our people in order to maintain power, he is far away ...
              only tens of thousands of Germans were repressed (imprisoned in camps and prisons) request
              if you compare with one collectivization - it is simply not comparable ... hi
              the problem is that Hitler became an absolute evil after conducting aggressive wars and repressions against the peoples of the occupied countries, before the bombing and defeat inside he was an idol ... request
              1. svp67
                svp67 6 November 2019 17: 40 New
                +1
                Quote: ser56
                I will say this - to the repression of the Bolsheviks against our people in order to maintain power, he is far away ...

                But I will disagree ... the "repressions" were quite strong. It's just that the German mentality is different, there the "protest leaders" were quickly surrendered and put in concentration camps.
                Quote: ser56
                only tens of thousands of Germans were repressed (imprisoned in camps and prisons)

                This is from where you have such data, I have a slightly different
                In 1933-1945, 3,5 million German citizens were sent to concentration camps, of which 500 thousand died, of which up to 250 thousand were political opponents of Nazism, up to 15 thousand homosexuals, 50-60 thousand freemasons, 70 thousand. " fools ”, 30 thousand persistent believers, etc.
                1. ser56
                  ser56 6 November 2019 18: 15 New
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                  Quote: svp67
                  But I will disagree ... the "repressions" were quite strong.

                  your right, but we have incomparably higher ... also a mentality request
                  Quote: svp67
                  in 1933-194

                  the sample is not correct - we talked about retaining power.
                  Quote: svp67
                  of which up to 250 thousand are political opponents of Nazism,

                  it is they ...
                  but the terms are higher, in addition, the number is increased ... the end of the camps in 1933-38 was a little in Germany ...
                  Quote: svp67
                  3,5 million German citizens

                  there’s a lot ... Germans total 70 million ... from Wiki: (article about concentration camps)
                  "In July 1933, the number of 'preventively' arrested reached 26 [source?], But then many were released and at the end of 789 the number of concentration camp prisoners decreased to 1937. [Source?] After that, the concentration camps began to send criminal criminals and the so-called asocial element - vagabonds, drunks, etc. Around the same time, German Jews first began to be imprisoned in concentration camps only in connection with their nationality [8]. "
                  "In 1938, the total number of prisoners increased from 24 thousand to 60 thousand [source?] Due to the Anschluss of Austria, and also due to the fact that after Kristallnacht, about 35 thousand were imprisoned in concentration camps [source ?] Jews Before World War II, however, Jews could achieve liberation if they could obtain emigration documents, which led to a significant decrease in the number of Jews imprisoned in concentration camps in 1939. On the eve of the war, the total number of concentration camp prisoners was 25. [1]. "
              2. EvilLion
                EvilLion 7 November 2019 16: 15 New
                +1
                Also say that the Jews were not Reich citizens. You are wonderful anti-Soviet people.
                1. Olezhek
                  7 November 2019 17: 47 New
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                  Also say that the Jews were not Reich citizens


                  You will be very surprised ... but you weren’t.
                  You underestimate Hitler’s regime.
                  He absolutely did everything seriously:
                  Jews in the Third Reich are "persons belonging to the state."
                  something like Russians in the Baltic today.
                2. ser56
                  ser56 8 November 2019 12: 14 New
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                  Quote: EvilLion
                  Also say that the Jews were not Reich citizens. You are wonderful anti-Soviet people.

                  1) poking is not polite ...
                  2) learn to read texts ... request I quote myself for you:
                  Quote: ser56
                  about 35 thousand were imprisoned in concentration camps [source?] Jews.
                  hi
    2. Captain45
      Captain45 6 November 2019 14: 10 New
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Interestingly, with the claimed number of assassination attempts, alozych used unarmored railway wagons and convertible cars mi ...

      Read the testimony of Hitler's chief guard Hans Rattenhuber, which he gave in "Smersha" in 1945 http://www.belvpo.com/ru/materials/personal-views-2
  3. GKS 2111
    GKS 2111 5 November 2019 16: 09 New
    +2
    Thank you for the very interesting article, Oleg! It is readable and emotionally-bored!
    one gets the impression that Mr. Hitler was literally waiting until the last for some offers "from the West." It was he (unlike many naive journalists) who had a good idea of ​​real world politics and asked a simple question: do Anglo-Saxons really want the triumph of Bolshevism in Europe? Yes, that cannot be!

    Yes, it was so ... Yes, the Anglo-Saxons always wanted the destruction of our country, and it doesn’t matter-the prince, the king, the secretary general, the president ...
    Excitingly outlined! hi
  4. Zliy_mod
    Zliy_mod 5 November 2019 16: 09 New
    +2
    As the author does not finish, what is the conclusion? Or maybe Stalin saved Hitler? So that without Hitler the Anglo-Saxons would not agree with the generals?))
    1. DimanC
      DimanC 5 November 2019 19: 37 New
      +4
      At least, there were reports in the press that Stalin had forbidden such operations to our special services. Apparently, he understood that victory over Nazi Nazi Germany would be given to us bloody, but it would be our victory and on our terms. And if the July coup had succeeded, the "Unthinkable" would quite tangibly become "Thoughtful" and even "Real". Truman, at the very beginning of the war, blurted out that if necessary (that is, if the victory of the USSR was too early and obvious approaching), the United States would openly help Germany. So Hitler saved the future victory of the USSR with his life, no matter how paradoxical it may seem.
      1. parma
        parma 6 November 2019 07: 15 New
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        Quote: DimanC
        At least, there were reports in the press that Stalin had forbidden such operations to our special services. Apparently, he understood that victory over Nazi Nazi Germany would be given to us bloody, but it would be our victory and on our terms. And if the July coup had succeeded, the "Unthinkable" would quite tangibly become "Thoughtful" and even "Real". Truman, at the very beginning of the war, blurted out that if necessary (that is, if the victory of the USSR was too early and obvious approaching), the United States would openly help Germany. So Hitler saved the future victory of the USSR with his life, no matter how paradoxical it may seem.

        Or maybe Stalin rather understood that while Hitler was in power he was with his "brilliant" ideas (that driving tanks here and there, but not to Moscow in 1941, that the declaration of war by the United States after the Yap raid, that the projects of the wunderwafle, that the ban on the development of a new shooter , unwillingness to transfer the economy to a war footing, etc.) causes great harm to Germany, and that without this the war will only become more difficult? As for the "artificiality" of the assassination attempts, was Elzer also "invented" as a cover? And a link to Truman is possible, where did he say that?
        1. DimanC
          DimanC 6 November 2019 17: 30 New
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          Apparently, here is the answer not only to me ...
          At the expense of Elzers and others - such loners could easily be and most likely were real - Hitler personally and Nazism in general did not suit all Germans. If you haven't, check out our Kill Hitler documentary. There is much taken from the book "Target Hitler", including the author himself giving interviews.
          At the expense of "brilliant" ideas - much is debatable. Regarding Truman's speech, it, as they say, does not need proof laughing . Nevertheless, he climbed, searched. I found a lot of interesting things, including for myself:
          https://arctus.livejournal.com/133419.html
          https://egorka-datskij.livejournal.com/907.html
          1. parma
            parma 7 November 2019 06: 22 New
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            Quote: DimanC
            Regarding Truman's speech, she, as they say, does not need proof. Nevertheless, he climbed, searched. I found many interesting things, including for myself: https: //arctus.livejournal.com/133419.htmlhttps: //egorka-datskij.livejournal.com/907.html

            The fact of the matter is that Truman said (if literally translated) not at all what Soviet (and after it Russian) propaganda incriminates him ... The phrase was published on June 23, 1941 in NYT (there are about 10 pages of interviews all in a row , you can find the original on the Internet, the Times are very concerned about their archive) and sounded something like "If we see that Germany is winning, Russia needs to support. If we see that Russia is winning, we need to support Germany. Let them fight as long as possible. I sincerely do not I want Hitler to win, but for America there is practically no difference. " Truman at that time was an ardent isolationist (there were a majority in the Senate) and at the same time an ordinary senator (and a very short term). But after a couple of months, when the German tankers who saw the Kremlin through binoculars became enemies (they probably said "thanks" to Hitler's stupid idea), and the Yapi struck a blow, the choice was obvious ... I don't see the desire of the "Anglo-Saxons" to destroy Mother Russia, only sober and pragmatic calculation ...
            1. DimanC
              DimanC 7 November 2019 08: 04 New
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              Here we are talking about the fact that Truman specifically expressed the interest of American capital to profit from military supplies, knowing that they would not be available across the ocean. Germany did not have such resources to invade the United States. By the way, Hitler, of course, was the first to declare war, but to say that the United States did not provoke him ...
              Truman's speech was delivered on 23.06.41. And somewhere by 43-44. it became clear that the USSR would definitely defeat Nazi Germany, and then the "ghost of Bolshevism" would hang not only over "old Europe", but the United States itself would reach out. Accordingly, it is necessary to detain the USSR as far as possible in the east, and even better to defeat it by united efforts. For this, open military aid to Germany is also suitable. Only already free from the "possessed Fuhrer".
              1. parma
                parma 7 November 2019 08: 52 New
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                Quote: DimanC
                Here we are talking about the fact that Truman specifically expressed the interest of American capital to profit from military supplies, knowing that they would not be available across the ocean. Germany did not have such resources to invade the United States. By the way, Hitler, of course, was the first to declare war, but to say that the United States did not provoke him ...
                Truman's speech was delivered on 23.06.41. And somewhere by 43-44. it became clear that the USSR would definitely defeat Nazi Germany, and then the "ghost of Bolshevism" would hang not only over "old Europe", but the United States itself would reach out. Accordingly, it is necessary to detain the USSR as far as possible in the east, and even better to defeat it by united efforts. For this, open military aid to Germany is also suitable. Only already free from the "possessed Fuhrer".

                Only now no one paid money for LL, so they prescribed it in the law ... And this was not a speech, but a small interview given for the New York Times (besides him, there are 10 more pages with interviews of other senators) And the reality of victory The USSR became clear only in the fall of 1943 (even after the defeat at Stalingrad, the Wehrmacht was more than combat-ready), after a summer campaign and supplies from the United States ... And the USSR itself could not have reached the United States for 20 years after the war (by the way, it happened ), there was nothing comparable to a fleet ... Truman, after becoming president, chose the language of power with the USSR (and even as a vice he had nothing to do with foreign policy, and even did not know about "Manhattan"), except for the seasoned In the battles of the army (though with not the best supplies and depleted human reserves), the USSR did not have trump cards in its hands (IMHO - we were just lucky that Roosevelt was a president sympathetic to us) ... Let's just say - the author presented everything too simply - like the Anglo-Saxons were preparing a conspiracy against the barbel, there were hundreds of supporters, but a little setback and supporters ended, and after the war they were so scared that they abandoned their idea of ​​defeating the USSR ... The main reason (IMHO) is different - the world was redistributed, the "extra" players were removed, it was necessary to chew your piece, and not fight for a new one ... And Germany was on the list of "extra" players, both with Hitler and without him ....
                1. Olezhek
                  8 November 2019 17: 35 New
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                  Let's just say - the author presented everything too simply - like the Anglo-Saxons plotted against the barbel, there were hundreds of supporters, but the little failure and the supporters ended, and after the war they were so scared


                  1 Not a "little failure" - a complete failure and exposure
                  2 About what happened then and in general - the author did not write in principle.
  5. neri73-r
    neri73-r 5 November 2019 16: 18 New
    +2
    Thank you, interesting thoughts, but everything is logical!
  6. knn54
    knn54 5 November 2019 16: 18 New
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    Stalin uprooted the "stripes" in time (though not completely), but Aloizych "screwed up". So the future "heroes of July 20" hid for 7 years, waiting for the right moment
    Oleg, HUGE thanks for the article. And then everyone is friendly, they think / write that the operation was carried out under the auspices of the NKVD.
    Although for us it was ALREADY not necessary.
    TRUE anti-fascists were either executed, or they were in concentration camps or so deep underground that Mueller could not reach them.
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    1. Captain45
      Captain45 6 November 2019 14: 16 New
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      Quote: Monster_Fat
      Hitler considered the war with the Western countries forced and thought that when he fulfilled the order of the "Western countries" to attack the USSR, the West would take his side and was sincerely surprised that this did not happen (even Hess sent for an explanation)

      You did not confuse anything in this statement? Hess, however, flew to England on 10 on May 1941, and the attack on the USSR took place on 22 on June 1941. Hess by this time more than a month was in a British prison.
  8. Igorpl
    Igorpl 5 November 2019 16: 27 New
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    Most likely the author is right - rats from the ship.
  9. Thrifty
    Thrifty 5 November 2019 16: 36 New
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    That is, Hitler is de facto to blame for not allowing himself to be killed? ?? belay
    1. Olezhek
      5 November 2019 20: 47 New
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      That is, Hitler is de facto to blame for not allowing himself to be killed?


      For Germany, it would probably be better
  10. parusnik
    parusnik 5 November 2019 16: 41 New
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    Hmm ... in some cases, English technology failed smile
  11. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 5 November 2019 16: 51 New
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    Generally, gentlemen, German officers saved their skins. This is to be completely accurate. And not with Nazism fought. That is why July is 44. When, finally and irrevocably, it became clear to everyone that the Reich was doomed in the current geopolitical situation.
    The generals and Prussian aristocrats saved their skins more, for everyone understood that the 3 Reich had come to an end and would begin to search for the extreme. In order not to become extreme, it was necessary to remove Hitler to the guise of Himmler, Goering and company. They could then be blamed on all the crimes that they committed together. Set a new president, make peace with the United States and Britain. But Comrade Stalin managed to cease the existence of the 3 Reich earlier. Someone after surrender got what he deserved, and who lived and lived. Although I have my own opinion on all this, which I will keep to myself.
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    1. Blacksmith 55
      Blacksmith 55 5 November 2019 19: 06 New
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      As far as I know, the official language of communication is Russian.
      Why do you write in English?
      And besides, you are offering a job. This is advertising, we do not need it here at all, this is not a dating site, and not a labor exchange.
  13. Alf
    Alf 5 November 2019 17: 56 New
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    Olga Chekhova is considered one of the most successful Soviet intelligence agents. Flashed infa that in the 44th year she reported to the IVS that there was a real opportunity to destroy Hitler, which the IVS imposed a ban on, understanding that the death of the Fuhrer would lead to the end of the war in the West, the separate peace of Germany with Britain and the United States and a very possible entry of these countries into a military alliance with negative consequences for the USSR.
    1. Avior
      Avior 5 November 2019 18: 33 New
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      This is not someone who writes, it writes, for example, Sudoplatov.
      Pavel Sudoplatov in his memoirs, “Intelligence and the Kremlin. Notes of an Unwanted Witness, ”writes that Soviet intelligence intended to attract Chekhov to the assassination attempt on Hitler. But the plan of the attempt was canceled personally by Stalin because of fear of a possible conspiracy between Germany and England

      But there is no evidence that the Allies were ready to conclude a separate peace, that the fascist generals would not have composed there.
      But nevertheless, even if there was no such conspiracy, the war would have been completed, but the conditions for concluding peace for the USSR would not have been very favorable — the Germans were somewhere near Kharkov.
      1. Town Hall
        Town Hall 5 November 2019 18: 37 New
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        Quote: Avior
        This is not someone who writes, it writes, for example, Sudoplatov

        In addition to his own stories Sudoplatov confirms this story with anything documentary?
        1. Avior
          Avior 5 November 2019 19: 06 New
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          Did someone refute it?
          Sudoplatov is in itself a documentary, but he did not own the archives and could not open them.

          Again the story with Miklashevsky wanders
          1. Town Hall
            Town Hall 5 November 2019 19: 40 New
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            Quote: Avior
            Sudoplatov is in itself a documentary

            Sudopoatov is fiction. There is not a single document or reliable line that Chekhov was an agent at all. Sudoplatov’s stories and nothing more
            1. Avior
              Avior 5 November 2019 20: 29 New
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              There are memoirs of Radziwill.
              But Sudoplatov’s not a casual line, but in detail with details.
              The special role of Sudoplatov in such matters is also well known.
              And no documentary denials of Sudoplatov’s memoirs.
              1. Town Hall
                Town Hall 5 November 2019 20: 36 New
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                Quote: Avior
                And no documentary denials of Sudoplatov’s memoirs

                If you have not read them, this does not mean that they do not exist. All Sudoplatov's "memoirs" are fake fiction, lies and ascribing laurels to which he had not the slightest relation. Any analysis of episodes of his "memories" - from the murder of Kirov to the "atomic case" - lies and absolute ignorance of real circumstances emerge everywhere.
                The truth is that the old man and his son decided to earn extra money in their old age and wrote this fiction. But since his true role in the NKVD system, the executioner and the murderer of "enemies of the people" in his own country, you will not earn much and will not bring glory, he began to invent and represent himself a genius of intelligence and a great saboteur. And he was only an executioner
                1. Avior
                  Avior 5 November 2019 22: 43 New
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                  give a link to such documentary refutations.
                  But the matter was precisely in its part.
                  1. Town Hall
                    Town Hall 5 November 2019 22: 48 New
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                    Fakes about Kirov.
                    https://remi-meisner.livejournal.com/217787.html
                    Fakes about the nuclear business.https: //www.google.com/amp/s/www.svoboda.org/amp/25155795.html

                    Fakes about "comrades in arms)
                    https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/116433

                    Fakes about his supposedly radio games. With the names of the real employees who worked on them https://history.wikireading.ru/209160
                    And here is a sample of his real activity. With original documents and not his stories
                    https://www.novayagazeta.ru/articles/2013/08/07/55829-shtatnyy-gosudarstvennyy-ubiytsa-reabilitirovannyy
                    1. Avior
                      Avior 5 November 2019 23: 11 New
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                      I did not write about any of this.
                      we are talking about a specific issue, according to its profile just.
                      1. Town Hall
                        Town Hall 5 November 2019 23: 27 New
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                        You wanted proof of documentary refutation of his tales? The man lied constantly. And all the "feats" - on his words and only keep. The bike about the spy Chekhov - from the same opera
                      2. Catfish
                        Catfish 6 November 2019 00: 00 New
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                        Colleague, well, you do not like the guys from the special services, this is noticeable. I read comments now and reaching your posts I felt deja vu, almost the same way, you wrote almost word for word about Otto Skorzeny. I do not compare them, figures of different levels, but nonetheless.
                        Yes, I’m not in the capacity of a bite, everyone has the right to their opinion. hi
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                      4. Catfish
                        Catfish 6 November 2019 00: 25 New
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                        In vain you are so, if about Sudoplatov. Unlike us, he fought and did it well.
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                      8. Catfish
                        Catfish 6 November 2019 01: 20 New
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                        Well of course, this is all documents - a document! Soviet court - it is the fairest court in the world! laughing
                        I asked you very seriously about documentary evidence. And the decision of the Soviet court is not an argument, these courts decided everything as ordered from the Kremlin. It would be something to talk about.
                      9. Town Hall
                        Town Hall 6 November 2019 01: 59 New
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                        Already do not trust the Soviet government)
                      10. Catfish
                        Catfish 6 November 2019 11: 21 New
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                        Under this authority, I have lived most of my life, and have not yet fallen into complete insanity that I would at least somehow trust her, the decisions of her courts, the history of the country she had invented, and even those who represented her, even more so. For some reason, it seems to me that you are not her great fan. ))) drinks
                      11. Town Hall
                        Town Hall 6 November 2019 14: 00 New
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                        And I lived under that power and do not trust it. Therefore, before getting into the topic, I try to study it, and not make unfounded declarations, copying and pasting an unconfirmed paragraph from Wikipedia. If only because then I would not have a "pale look" if it turns out that I got into a mess.
                        And that is why before writing and reading Sudoplatov’s own reports on these illegal murders using poison, and then Studebaker’s move to people who are still alive, for example, you can not trust the Soviet court, the hero’s reports on the work done indicating the circumstances, such as poison, etc. - completely. They are published.
                        In the same way, a reasonable person will not trust the fiction written by his son on behalf of a 90-year-old seriously ill old man about the events of 50/60 years ago, without reliance on any documents. Documents from General Student who conducted the operation.
                      12. Catfish
                        Catfish 6 November 2019 15: 27 New
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                        And that is why, before writing, I read Sudoplatov’s own reports on these illegal killings using poison, and then Studebaker’s move to still alive people

                        Convincingly, but ... throw the link, then all questions will disappear.
                        I have never used Wikipedia and I am not going to. I have not read the "fiction" of Sudoplatov's son.
                        I read the Student, I read Y. Madera, and I know about the filming of the "documentary" film about the rescue.
                        But according to Sudoplatov’s link, nevertheless, give. hi
                      13. Town Hall
                        Town Hall 6 November 2019 16: 26 New
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                        https://www.novayagazeta.ru/articles/2013/08/07/55829-shtatnyy-gosudarstvennyy-ubiytsa-reabilitirovannyy
                        I provided a link in a post upstream
                      14. Catfish
                        Catfish 6 November 2019 16: 27 New
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                        Got it, thanks, be sure to watch. hi
          2. Avior
            Avior 6 November 2019 06: 35 New
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            The case materials confirm that Sudoplatov was a very knowledgeable person at the highest level.
            And then his sentence was canceled as illegal
          3. EvilLion
            EvilLion 7 November 2019 12: 41 New
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            Khrushchevsky court. Faith which is zero. Especially about Beria.
  • Avior
    Avior 5 November 2019 23: 36 New
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    Fakes about his supposedly radio games. Https: //history.wikireading.ru/209160

    read. There are no close disclosures there, all the more documentary, on the contrary, the fact of the radio game and Sudoplatov’s participation in it is confirmed and is not called into question either in this chapter or in the next
    Although there were exceptions. For example, the games "Berezino" and "Novices" (which will be discussed in the next chapter) were conducted by the employees of the Fourth Directorate of the NKVD. This “privilege” was achieved by Pavel Anatolyevich Sudoplatov.
    .
    in the next chapter
    Among the operations described below, there is one - “Novices”, which Pavel Anatolyevich Sudoplatov mentions in his memoirs. It is clear that she was in fact, only her details should be treated with caution. Here is her description (conducted on behalf of Sudoplatov’s son):

    why and to what details cautiously no more words.
    1. Town Hall
      Town Hall 6 November 2019 00: 00 New
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      These radio games were conducted almost 200 for the entire war. In general, they were led by everyone. The department that coordinated this whole thing is Sudoplatov and not at all. The information that he also allegedly played 2 of these 200 games, again his memories. to which the author warns to be cautious). probably again because the shipbuilders lied out of habit
    2. Avior
      Avior 6 November 2019 00: 07 New
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      You tried to mislead me by writing that this is a documentary exposure of the fake Sudoplatov.
      in fact, according to your link, what he wrote in his memoirs is confirmed.
      I see no reason to discuss something further
      hi
    3. Town Hall
      Town Hall 6 November 2019 00: 11 New
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      In fact, you do not have enough character to admit your own errors hi
  • Captain45
    Captain45 6 November 2019 14: 24 New
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    Quote: Town Hall
    These radio games were fought almost 200 for the entire. War. In general, all of them were lazy.

    Everyone who was not lazy could not conduct radio games, if only because of the lack of radio transmitters, and most importantly, live radio operators of the German intelligence services who agreed to work for the USSR intelligence agencies (military intelligence, the NKGB-NKVD).
  • Town Hall
    Town Hall 6 November 2019 00: 04 New
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    Quote: Avior
    Here is her description (conducted on behalf of Sudoplatov’s son):

    Here it is. The son of Sudoplatov told the city and the world. Not the documents). And so everywhere that is connected with the heroes of Sudoplatov. The sources are themselves. The authors who analyze them tell stories or directly accuse them of lying .. or they delicately write do not really trust their stories
  • Alf
    Alf 5 November 2019 18: 47 New
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    Quote: Avior
    But there is no evidence that the Allies were ready to conclude a separate peace, that the fascist generals would not have composed there.

    Unthinkable?
    1. Avior
      Avior 5 November 2019 18: 57 New
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      And what about the Unthinkable?
      There was nothing about the conclusion of a separate peace with the Germans; the situation there was examined after the end of the war with them. Germans, prisoners of war, the truth was intended to be used.
      And the initial conditions there are far-fetched and unrealistic.
  • Yuriy_999
    Yuriy_999 5 November 2019 19: 55 New
    +1
    Germans were somewhere near Kharkov
    - in the summer of 44?
    1. Avior
      Avior 5 November 2019 20: 23 New
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      According to Sudoplatov, at first it was in 1943, then again in 1944. I did not relate the exact date.
  • Avior
    Avior 5 November 2019 18: 26 New
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    The author’s direct analogies between the Reich and the USSR do not correspond to reality, and if you accept them, then many things that happened in Germany will look inexplicable.
    For example, the case of Fabian von Schlabrendorff, one of the active participants in the assassination attempt, has no logical explanation if direct analogies with the USSR are drawn.
    He delivered explosive devices and handed them to the performers, he was arrested after the failure of the conspiracy, his participation was undoubtedly and actively.
    But in court, he, a qualified lawyer, adjutant von Treskov, stated (he did not prove, but only stated) that he was tortured (and formally, torture was prohibited in the Third Reich), as a result, the case was closed, he was released and the investigations were started anew, a few days later he was arrested again, but as a result the case dragged on and he did not have time to be tried and executed, the Americans were released, and after the war he was a member of the Constitutional Court.
    It is impossible to imagine in any analogy that the real attempted assassin of Stalin was released, because he said that he was tortured.
    And so on many things the author has a misunderstanding.
    Nobody caught the generals for their decadent mood, since Hitler himself wanted a peace with England and did not want to fight with England, or France, or the United States.
    The author simply has a poor idea of ​​what was happening there.
    1. Olezhek
      5 November 2019 19: 56 New
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      many things happening in Germany will look inexplicable.


      By order of Hitler, most of the convicts were executed not on the guillotine, as civil criminals, and not through execution, as the military, - they were hung on piano strings attached to the butcher’s hook on the ceiling in the Pletzensee prison [60]. Unlike usual hanging, death did not occur from a neck fracture during a fall and not from relatively quick asphyxiation, but from stretching the neck and slow asphyxiation. Hitler ordered the trial of the conspirators and execution to be degraded, to film and photograph. These executions were shot on film under the spotlights. Subsequently, he personally watched this film, and also ordered his soldiers to be shown to raise morale
      1. Avior
        Avior 5 November 2019 20: 25 New
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        I wrote about a specific episode
    2. EvilLion
      EvilLion 7 November 2019 12: 38 New
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      If the person says that he was tortured, this does not make him innocent, no need to tell tales. They may give a stick to the investigators, but the matter will continue.
      1. Avior
        Avior 8 November 2019 00: 29 New
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        sometimes useful commented post is not out of the corner of the eye, but carefully read smile
        the post is not at all about the fact that he is completely innocent, like Rafik.
        and that the process against the real attempted assassination of Hitler was closed only because he stated that he was tortured, and, yes, the investigation was started anew, and this protraction saved his life.
        the post that direct analogies between orders in the USSR and Germany is a slippery thing.
  • Tarasios
    Tarasios 5 November 2019 19: 47 New
    +3
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    Hitler came to power and Western circles and the USSR.

    here more about the role of the USSR, please
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 5 November 2019 21: 42 New
      +1
      Old tales that Stalin ordered the Communists of Germany not to interfere with the Nazis
  • lucul
    lucul 5 November 2019 20: 45 New
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    Fierce nonsense. You can’t say otherwise.
    But this is precisely what happened under the gloomy vaults of Hitler’s empire. World domination, say? Oh well.

    This is understandable.
    But we must also take into account that the Nazis removed almost all Jews from the echelons of power. And this is the largest spy network in any state. And they have been accustomed for centuries to rely on this network, but here it is gone. And all the actions of the Germans became immediately covered with darkness for the opponents. This was a very, very serious bonus for the Germans.
    Only by 1944 did German spy recruitment go more or less.
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 5 November 2019 21: 43 New
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      What nonsense about the centuries-old spy network of Jews?
  • bubalik
    bubalik 5 November 2019 20: 57 New
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    If you connect the 6 of June and the 20 of July in one chain ... then an ugly picture is created.
    ,,, if the operation "Jubilee" was successful, then the "Valkyrie" would have been in 1942? request
  • mikle1999
    mikle1999 5 November 2019 22: 33 New
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    In fairness, the Anglo-Saxons clearly led the matter to the occupation and unconditional surrender of Germany - the First World taught them something. And to launch Germany to the third round, leaving in error, we did not lose the war, the occupier’s boots did not march through the cities of the Reich, these are all traitors at headquarters - no one was going to.
    As for the expediency of killing Hitler, the meaning was only for Germany. By 1944, the image of a political genius was completely lost and everyone understood (both Germans and allies) that the harm from Hitler to the Reich is incomparably more than good.
    1. Olezhek
      8 November 2019 17: 30 New
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      As for the expediency of killing Hitler, the meaning was only for Germany.


      Strictly speaking - there was a big

      business to the occupation and unconditional surrender of Germany -


      Together with the Soviets, as in real life?
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 7 November 2019 09: 36 New
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    Imagine that the red commanders, instead of strengthening the defense, have been discussing plans for the overthrow of Stalin for years over a glass of vodka.


    So that’s exactly what they did until the spring of the 1937 year. Moreover, it is the civilian colors that are from second lieutenants to divisional commanders at once. And Beria, apparently, was killed simply by bursting into his house, which Khrushch himself could not have done without the help of the military.

    In the 1944th, the German generals obviously saw that everything was bad in the east, but they could still hope that they could win a major victory somewhere, the problem for them was that the Red Army of the 1944, this is not the Red Army of the 1941 . The maximum for the Germans then was to break up the Soviet division, after which 5 new would come to the problem area, and this success would be nullified.
  • pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 8 November 2019 09: 55 New
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    And in fact, after the Tehran Conference, Stalin banned all development of an attempt on Hitler, because the death of Hitler would lead to the agreement of all players except the USSR.