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Sadko and the other successors of Shishigi

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Child of unification


Since the beginning of the 90's, the Russian army was no longer a key customer for automobile enterprises. Gorky Automobile Plant was no exception. The lion's share of the profit then (and now) was brought by the GAZelle lorry and the medium-tonnage GAZ-3309 (GAZON). Therefore, the rules in matters of defense order were dictated by engineers and marketers from Nizhny Novgorod rather than military officials from the Ministry of Defense. It is still difficult to understand for what reason they abandoned the cabless layout of the new car. Perhaps this was the wish of the military, taking into account the experience of the mine war in Afghanistan, or a simple unification with the civilian "Lawn". Most likely, the views of the military and the possibilities of the factory workers successfully converged. In any case, the development of the old GAZ-66 patterns using the aggregate base of commercial vehicles made it possible to reduce both costs and time.



One of the first prototypes of the GAZ-3309P


The first copies of the Shishigi successor, which appeared in the 1995 year, carried the 3309P index and consisted of hybrids from the frame, cab, controls from the bonnet "gas engine" and the GAZ-5441 turbodiesel, gearbox, transfer case, axles, wheels and the body from GAZ- 66-40. Due to the bonnet layout, the frame became longer, which increased the wheelbase, improved directional stability, but negatively affected maneuverability (the turning radius increased by 1 meter). Already in 1996, the car passed state tests and was adopted by the Russian army. A major advantage of the new light truck was the cost, comparable to the price of the GAZ-66-40 - these were the fruits of widespread unification with existing cars. A minus can be considered a civilian frame, not fully designed for high loads of army operation. In the final version, the new Shishiga received the name GAZ-3308 Sadko and was initially equipped with gasoline engines ZMZ-513.10 and ZMZ-5231.10 rated at 125-130 hp












GAZ-3308 "Sadko" in the Russian army


The diesel engine (moreover, from the tractor) on the Sadko appeared only in 2003 on the GAZ-33081 variant and developed 122 l. from. There were attempts to put in a small series trucks with a six-cylinder Steyr turbodiesel with an output of 150 l. with, but, for obvious reasons, such an army cannot be sold, but for commercial exploitation it turned out to be expensive and complicated. In addition, for an ancient transmission, the torque and power of a foreign motor were already excessive and, if handled inaccurately, were able to “break it”. GAZ-3308 received a funny feature as a legacy from Shishigi: when the front axle was turned on, it was necessary to move the car back and forth so that the gears engaged. At the same time as the military version, the civilian version of Sadko was launched into production, equipped with simpler wheels (clearance decreased as a result) and devoid of tire inflation with pneumatic outlet to the trailer.




MLRS SAKR in Egyptian performance


The machine came to taste not only in the Russian army, but also in Ukraine, in Egypt, Kazakhstan, Belarus, Armenia. “Sadko” was delivered to Syria in the middle of the 2000’s and has now become one of the symbols of the confrontation between the army and terrorist organizations. On Syrian soil, GAZ-3308 was used as an artillery tractor, a platform for anti-aircraft guns, and even as a carrier of the GOLAN 400 MLRS. The network also showed photos of the Sadko army with an 57-mm ZIS-2 gun in the back. In total, under the contracts for the 2007 year, the Gorky Automobile Plant delivered about 2000 trucks to Syria.



Sadko and the other successors of Shishigi




















Sadko in the deadliest performance: Syrian MLRS GOLAN















A truck from Nizhny Novgorod is used in Syria by both government forces and terrorists



"Sadko" on the way to Syria



57-mm anti-tank gun in the back of the GAZ-3308


In 2014, the first information appeared about the next generation of "Sadko", which received the prefix "Next". We can say that in the last generation the truck stood a notch higher - load capacity increased to 3 tons. The cabin is now unified with the Lawn-Next family and is truly truly comfortable. The Yaroslavl YaMZ-534 diesel engine with an output of almost 150 l is installed at Sadko-Next. with., and a real highlight was the push-button transmission control system.


"Sadko Next" in civilian performance









"Sadko Next" for the army and on the tests in Indonesia














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Pickup "Huntsman Next" and the bus "Boar Next" hope for a military future



Experience evolution: Sadko Next workplace and GAZ-66-40


Among the numerous modifications of the Sadko, the GAZ-3325 Huntsman and the GAZ-3902 Vepr became the most unusual. In the first case, this is a huge pickup truck with a two-row cab, and in the second - a car with an all-metal passenger body for five or twelve people. Two years ago, the second generation of these cars made their debut with a very peculiar facial expression - trucks received intricate headlights from the Vector Next bus. Such equipment cannot be called completely military, but in Nizhny Novgorod they really hope for army orders and regularly exhibit "Huntsman" and "Boar" on the "Army" forums.

Fantasies on the topic and successors


GAZ-66 is gradually leaving the Armed Forces of Russia - cars are being sold from conservation sites, replenishing the fleet of private traders throughout the country. The former countries of the eastern bloc are also gradually getting rid of the Soviet heritage, realizing Shishigi almost all over the world. Recently appeared newsthat GAZ-66 from the Hungarian army's storerooms appeared on sale in the United States. Availability of spare parts, unpretentiousness and unique cross-country ability allowed various design bureaus to develop their vision of the new “Shishigi” over time. One of the most striking such examples was the GAZ-66 Partizan, which can be distinguished from the overseas Hummer H1 only by close acquaintance. The domestic clone of the American jeep appeared in 2003, inherited from Shishigi a shortened frame, an aggregate base and individual body elements. Of course, I had to thoroughly redraw the layout of the truck, change the suspension to a lighter body and limit myself to installing all 4 seats. The most interesting thing is that they built the car at the Gorky Automobile Plant, obviously, in search of new market niches. According to another version, “Partizan” appeared in the club of amateur enthusiasts from Nizhny Novgorod and to a greater extent was just a show car, released in a very limited edition.








GAZ-66 "Partizan"


At the beginning of the 2000-s, the GAZ-66 aggregate base formed the basis of the huge 12-local SUV "Barkhan", combining the comfort of a car and the remarkable cross-country ability of an army all-terrain vehicle. This technique in various variations was produced for specific orders and was not widely used.


"Barkhan"


GAZ-66 was largely created for the Airborne Forces, but now the winged infantry is finally getting rid of the legendary car - the most lightweight KamAZs of the Mustang family are being replaced. In particular, the KamAZ-43501 model with a shortened platform and the ability to airborne landing. You can distinguish from a conventional KAMAZ 4x4 airborne vehicle by a lowered loading platform and wheel-mounted niches. Of course, this is a completely different truck - it has more power (240 hp) and its load capacity has been increased to 3 tons.


KamAZ-43501 for the Airborne Forces is the successor of the Shishigi in the winged infantry


To replace the "Sadko" and GAZ-66 in the border troops of Belarus in 2014 year was built MZKT-5002 00 "Volat". It is interesting that the military initially turned to the Minsk Automobile Plant for help, but they refused to contact a small-scale order. They agreed to help at the capital’s wheeled tractor plant and developed a lightweight version of the truck from the famous Volat (Bogatyr) series. In many ways, this is a complete analogue of the Russian KamAZ for the Airborne Forces, it is equipped with an 215 ‑ strong YaMZ ‑ 53452 turbodiesel and a completely independent suspension of all wheels.


"Shishiga" in Belarusian


Despite the fact that the descendants of the GAZ-66 were ousted from the ranks of the Airborne Forces, the platform still has a future. Machines of the Next series will not only soon appear in the Russian army, but are also actively offered in export markets, in particular, in Indonesia and the Philippines.
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  1. Amurets
    Amurets 4 November 2019 06: 15 New
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    A major advantage of the new light truck was the cost, comparable to the price of the GAZ-66-40 - these were the fruits of widespread unification with existing cars. A minus can be considered a civilian frame, not fully designed for high loads of army operation. In the final version, the new Shishiga received the name GAZ-3308 Sadko and was initially equipped with gasoline engines ZMZ-513.10 and ZMZ-5231.10 with a capacity of 125-130 hp
    The author, I agree with you completely. Before retirement, he worked in geological exploration and something can be added. For some reason, gasoline versions didn’t take root in us, here are diesel versions, they went well with the MMZ D-245 diesel engine, I can’t say anything about the YaMZ-534 diesel engine, I did not have to deal with it. The review is interesting, I liked it, I learned a lot of new things, especially about the latest developments of the designers of GAZ or NAZ, it seems like they call the plant now.
    1. Avis-bis
      Avis-bis 4 November 2019 09: 08 New
      +6
      Quote: Amurets
      or NAZ, it’s like they call the factory now.

      Still GAZ. :) This is already a brand, even a whole "GAZ Group of Companies" exists.
    2. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 4 November 2019 20: 31 New
      +3
      I think that the "shishiga" should have been equipped with a modern, powerful and compact diesel engine and a normal gearbox. Well, make the cabin more convenient for the driver and passenger. And I would have served for 50 years. And so, we spent a lot of money - at the output we got the same thing, only in the hood layout.
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 4 November 2019 22: 47 New
        +2
        Quote: TermNachTER
        I think that the "shishiga" should have been equipped with a modern, powerful and compact diesel engine and a normal gearbox. Well, make the cabin more convenient for the driver and passenger. And I would have served for 50 years. And so, we spent a lot of money - at the output we got the same thing, only in the hood layout.
        But where to get it somewhere? There is nothing of the kind, not only massive, but also in a sufficient series.
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 4 November 2019 23: 08 New
          +1
          Were you going to buy Ivekas? Why not start the production of "Ivek" engines and gearboxes in Russia. "Motor Sich" produced a diesel engine and a gearbox - "Iveco - Motor Sich", they say of good quality.
          1. Amurets
            Amurets 5 November 2019 05: 12 New
            0
            Quote: TermNachTER
            Were you going to buy Ivekas? Why not start the production of "Ivek" engines and gearboxes in Russia. "Motor Sich" produced a diesel engine and a gearbox - "Iveco - Motor Sich", they say of good quality.

            Agree that Motor Sich is a different state. We left a lot of things in the Union Republics, including Ukraine. This time. The firm "Robert Bosch" does not want to localize the production of fuel equipment in the Russian Federation. "CJSC CUMMINS KAMA" is a joint venture created by the corporations PJSC "KAMAZ" and Cummins Inc. in the city of Naberezhnye Chelny, for the production of diesel engines intended for small and medium-duty vehicles, "firstly, recently built, and secondly - also buys fuel equipment abroad. https://www.cummins-kama.ru/rus/aboutt/
            1. TermNachTer
              TermNachTer 5 November 2019 19: 02 New
              +1
              I do not argue that it is different, especially since I live in it and work on the "Motor". He gave as an example that if there was a desire, then there is nothing difficult. The same factories that produce diesel engines could simply "quietly, rip off" some compact diesel engine with a gearbox, Japanese or German.
              1. Amurets
                Amurets 5 November 2019 22: 33 New
                0
                Quote: TermNachTER
                I do not argue that it is different, especially since I live in it and work on the "Motor".

                Moreover, you cannot but know that for the production of ICE you need specialized equipment specifically: multi-position machines for processing a cylinder block. crankshaft, block head. This equipment is difficult to reconfigure and operates in a narrow range of sizes: for example, VAZ 2101-2111 engines. They have two basic sizes: a cylinder diameter of 76 -79mm and a piston stroke of 66-80mm, a whole gamut of engines has been made.
                Here under these parameters production lines were created. The transition to other sizes requires new equipment, which is not cheap. That is why the motor are trying to hold on to old equipment. Another example, YaMZ. When the in-line production of 6-cylinder Renault engines was acquired, an almost new engine production had to be built in Tutaevo. (Not to be confused with the TMZ motor plant, these are different products).
                1. TermNachTer
                  TermNachTer 5 November 2019 23: 11 New
                  +1
                  Are there no such machines at the engine factory? Part of the operations was scattered around the machining workshops that the aircraft parts did. In addition to aircraft engines, the plant makes a lot of consumer goods - from blowtorches and meat grinders, to motor blocks and outboard motors. Everything is possible. there would be a desire.
                  1. Amurets
                    Amurets 6 November 2019 00: 21 New
                    0
                    Quote: TermNachTER
                    In addition to aircraft engines, the plant makes a lot of consumer goods - from blowtorches and meat grinders,

                    Well, you perfectly understand that the engine is not consumer goods, and you also know how the army orders and receives. Even a tighter blowtorch or meat grinder for an army canteen. And the more massive engine for the army.
                    1. TermNachTer
                      TermNachTer 6 November 2019 18: 59 New
                      +1
                      Well, aircraft engines also accept military acceptance. They could take diesel as well.
                      1. Amurets
                        Amurets 6 November 2019 23: 02 New
                        0
                        Quote: TermNachTER
                        Well, aircraft engines also accept military acceptance. They could take diesel as well.

                        Based on what? An empty place? For the Moscow Region, everything that has not passed the test on its program, there is no government decree, all this is an empty place.
    3. xax
      xax 5 November 2019 23: 30 New
      0
      Quote: Amurets
      here are diesel engines, with a diesel engine MMZ D-245 they went pretty well

      Such machines "in the field" can be forgiven for the hardships and hardships associated with their operation. But when this technique has to "march" over a long distance on asphalt (sometimes you still have to get to the "field"), it is easier to put it on a trawl, which entails additional costs. This pushes KamAZ towards, despite the significant difference in cost - everything will pay off when it is possible to avoid just a few such transportation across the whole of Mother Russia.
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 6 November 2019 00: 12 New
        0
        Quote: xax
        This pushes towards KamAZ, despite the significant difference in cost - everything will pay off when only a few such shipments through the whole of Mother Russia can be avoided.

        There is no point in arguing, and KAMAZ-KAMAZ is the difference. For example, 43118 was valued above 43414.
        1. xax
          xax 6 November 2019 00: 25 New
          +1
          Quote: Amurets
          For example, 43118 was valued above 43414.

          On 43414 you cannot place a normal rig. What if one day you want? )))
  2. andrewkor
    andrewkor 4 November 2019 06: 18 New
    +9
    The photo with the design of Shishigi and Sadko's cabins evoked memories of how I was demobilized in the winter in the back of a GAZ-66, under an awning, of course, I got from the "point" to the unit.
    And according to the samples presented by the Author, they can conclude when they want and quite on the level!
    1. bulvas
      bulvas 4 November 2019 11: 05 New
      11
      Quote: andrewkor
      as I was demobilized in the winter in the back of a GAZ-66, under the awning, of course, I got from the "point" to the unit. In the cockpit, the driver and platoon commander and "where to give to the poor peasant."


      It was also possible without an awning, in the steppes in frost and snowstorm in the back of the 157th ...

      A few minutes later the roads were compressed in a tight pile in the back and everyone shouted together, first from freezing feet, then from the whole body.

      "steadfastly and courageously endure the hardships and deprivations of military service ..."
      1. not main
        not main 6 November 2019 00: 02 New
        0
        Quote: bulvas
        Quote: andrewkor
        as I was demobilized in the winter in the back of a GAZ-66, under the awning, of course, I got from the "point" to the unit. In the cockpit, the driver and platoon commander and "where to give to the poor peasant."


        It was also possible without an awning, in the steppes in frost and snowstorm in the back of the 157th ...

        A few minutes later the roads were compressed in a tight pile in the back and everyone shouted together, first from freezing feet, then from the whole body.

        "steadfastly and courageously endure the hardships and deprivations of military service ..."

        When is it four days a week? Certainly not in the cold, but not in the weather. And then and when it is very cold to fall under the ice of the "rising" water!
  3. Thrifty
    Thrifty 4 November 2019 06: 45 New
    +1
    An amateur, so to speak, but I don’t like the shape of the cab at all, ugliness, no design! !!
    1. AlexVas44
      AlexVas44 4 November 2019 07: 15 New
      +2
      Yes, you probably have to get used to this shape of the cabin. Similar "Next" and "Urals" are positioning. I don't like it either, maybe not yet.
    2. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 4 November 2019 08: 11 New
      +5
      Here I completely agree with you! A rare squalor. Moreover, how long will all this "passenger" plastic of the cabin live in the army and how will this material behave in the event of a fire?
      1. Avis-bis
        Avis-bis 4 November 2019 09: 17 New
        +3
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        "light" plastic of the cab and how will this material behave in case of fire?


        The appearance of the all-wheel drive truck Sadko Next is maximally unified with the GAZon Next model range, from which the novelty got an all-metal cab, but the bumper uses a different, more powerful and higher located one, which does not interfere on the roads. The rest of the cabin is made of galvanized steel

        https://www.gazavtomig.ru/obzory/polnoprivodnyy-gruzovik-sadko-next.php
    3. Nycomed
      Nycomed 4 November 2019 09: 05 New
      +9
      Did you enjoy the convenience of building the 66th cab?
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 4 November 2019 09: 23 New
        +5
        No. Didn't like it at all. But trim 66 and "Sadko" have few flammable and toxic plastics.
        1. Nycomed
          Nycomed 4 November 2019 11: 07 New
          +4
          Here, yes, it is useless to argue, and why not. I just can’t understand one thing. These, I’m not afraid of this word, OUTSTANDING patency cars: GAZ-66 and ZIL-157, why it was impossible to equip at least something that would at least somehow facilitate the work of the driver?
          1. abc_alex
            abc_alex 4 November 2019 11: 44 New
            +4
            Quote: Nycomed
            GAZ-66 and ZIL-157, why it was impossible to equip at least something that would at least somehow facilitate the work of the driver?

            I believe for the sake of maintaining maintainability in the field. After all, any additional system increases the likelihood of damage.
            1. Nycomed
              Nycomed 4 November 2019 11: 56 New
              +4
              I agree in many ways. But, simply, the physical fatigue of the driver was not initially taken into account?
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              2. Leopold
                Leopold 4 November 2019 19: 07 New
                +3
                "Take just two steps to suffer,
                One hundred kilometers by car doesn't count "
                I'd rather tolerate 200 km in the back than 50, but on foot.
              3. abc_alex
                abc_alex 4 November 2019 22: 35 New
                +1
                Quote: Nycomed
                driver physical fatigue was not initially taken into account?

                I think they reasoned like this: the probability of death in the driver during the fighting is much higher than the probability of getting tired.
          2. Alexander I
            Alexander I 5 November 2019 15: 58 New
            0
            In the Gas-66 there was a hydraulic booster, a box with synchronizers, a vacuum brake booster, shock absorbers on the entire suspension and many other little things, for those years it was all that was possible.
    4. Zefr
      Zefr 4 November 2019 23: 36 New
      +1
      There is a design, but not one. This is a cab for a low van. From such a height, such a tilt of the glass, with the slightest rain or pollution, will not allow you to see the road - you have to look almost along the edge of the glass
    5. Captain Nemo
      Captain Nemo 6 November 2019 01: 49 New
      0
      Design NEXT - They couldn’t do it beautifully, they did it richly and fashionably .... And Sadko handsome is like a work like.
      1. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 7 November 2019 11: 26 New
        0
        Quote: Captain Nemo
        Design NEXT - Could not make beautiful, made rich and fashionable ....

        On NEXT, if I'm not mistaken, they put a cab from a Gazelle to which a hood was added. That is, unification, production cheaper.
  4. Free wind
    Free wind 4 November 2019 06: 51 New
    0
    The muzzle turned out beautiful, recognizable and amazing, but I want a box automatic, I want, well, I want.
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  5. svp67
    svp67 4 November 2019 07: 03 New
    10
    Pickup "Huntsman Next" and the bus "Boar Next" hope for a military future
    That's what MUST replace the UAZ-Loaf ... especially in the sanitary version ...
    1. venaya
      venaya 4 November 2019 08: 35 New
      +3
      Quote: svp67
      .. to replace the UAZ-Loaf ... especially in the sanitary version ...
      Single-volume containers are also useful, especially a little more "loaf", something like "Vodnik" in size. You can place a lot of things there, and the cross-country ability, too, will not be small as a result.
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 4 November 2019 20: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      to replace the UAZ-Loaf.

      A loaf is good for everyone, but to remove the engine is horror, what a problem!
      1. svp67
        svp67 4 November 2019 20: 33 New
        +1
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        A loaf is good for everyone

        Alas, it’s out of date thirty years ago ... It has long been a replacement
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 4 November 2019 20: 36 New
          +6
          Quote: svp67
          out of date thirty years ago

          I like it now. But that's why the body does not galvanize? Really rotting before our eyes. Let galvanization add thousand 20-30 to the price, nonsense.
          1. Mikhail Matyugin
            Mikhail Matyugin 5 November 2019 17: 27 New
            +2
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            I like it now. But that's why the body does not galvanize? Really rotting before our eyes. Let galvanization add thousand 20-30 to the price, nonsense.

            Yes, that is - that is, well, and still I would like more comfort - 21 century is still in the yard. And so - a world machine for fishing \ hunting and all that.
  6. Nitochkin
    Nitochkin 4 November 2019 09: 24 New
    +6
    Sadko and ancient Kraz in Laos.
    1. Yuriy_999
      Yuriy_999 4 November 2019 09: 37 New
      0
      This is not KrAZ, but an ancient American.
      1. Nitochkin
        Nitochkin 4 November 2019 09: 59 New
        +4
        Justify.
        On the hood, Krazov has a characteristic flag that the Americans do not have. It can be seen on some frames, for example, 2:59, 13:20.
        Compare the dashboard at 14:43 p.m. (at 15:05 p.m.)

        and from Kraz-255:
        1. Yuriy_999
          Yuriy_999 4 November 2019 21: 45 New
          -1
          Yes. Most likely the cabin, possibly the engine from KrAZ (not a fact). Here are just narrow disks, a spark on the rear axles with a front drive, mounting the front spring (13:00, 13:08), the shape of the front bumper (17:56), track width, not the 255th at all. Yes, and the obvious American standing on the left at 12:56 with the exact same chassis and body is hinted.
          1. Nitochkin
            Nitochkin 5 November 2019 03: 04 New
            +1
            Oh, it started. Dispute for the sake of dispute or is the "like in a pan" mode turned on?

            Did you measure the width of the gauge with the tape measure?
            Z.Y. But it has risen who drowns on the site for the Americans, bgg
      2. Nitochkin
        Nitochkin 4 November 2019 18: 45 New
        +1
        BGG, at 13:11 it is directly stated that this is the KrAZ-255.
        1. Yuriy_999
          Yuriy_999 4 November 2019 21: 37 New
          -2
          BGG, and at 12:53 it is said that these are all cars from Soviet times. And at 12:47 it is clearly visible that only one of the three is similar to the Soviet one.
  7. phair
    phair 4 November 2019 09: 25 New
    +1
    There would be another 0,5 kg \ cm2 of air forced to pump during the passage of fords (bridges, box), water enters, an oil suspension forms. Unimog even in the headlights feed is :(
    1. dvina71
      dvina71 4 November 2019 13: 08 New
      +1
      Quote: phair
      There would be another 0,5 kg \ cm2

      Where is it going? Ours have a forced blocking of the crankcase ventilation .., and for boxes and bridges the ventilation is displayed outside the cab .. to the height of the air intake of the motor ...
      1. phair
        phair 4 November 2019 13: 33 New
        +2
        Uh ... Breathers are a good thing, but when overcoming the ford, due to the temperature difference, the seals, the metal is compressed, suck in water. Emulsion in gear bridges-kirdyk. Nissan Safari is expensive (as is the GL-5 oil change). GAS, of course, will be cheaper. But money doesn’t repair anything in battle. PYSYA: I have breathers in the frame and snorkel (Do not go to battle on Safar, I hope). And so, traveled on fords, checked the oil.
      2. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A 4 November 2019 19: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: dvina71
        Quote: phair
        There would be another 0,5 kg \ cm2

        Where is it going? Ours have a forced blocking of the crankcase ventilation .., and for boxes and bridges the ventilation is displayed outside the cab .. to the height of the air intake of the motor ...

        where did you read that?

        In the factory equipment - is it displayed?
        These are all sorts of craftsmen and cooperatives / firms - they make self-made kits for removing pipes from breathers ...
        In all other respects, nothing is output and nothing is pumped.
        1. dvina71
          dvina71 4 November 2019 19: 48 New
          +1
          Quote: SovAr238A
          where did you read that?

          It was me who went to the ZIL-131 in the army .. what else to read?
          1. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A 4 November 2019 19: 53 New
            +3
            Quote: dvina71
            Quote: SovAr238A
            where did you read that?

            It was me who went to the ZIL-131 in the army .. what else to read?


            I have in operation 3 of the most modern cars: 2 Sadko and 1 Huntsman ...
            They got stuck with the penetration of water into all bridges.
            We change oil, we change oil seals. we change bearings - we change everything.
            Golden cow damn it turns out.

            About workmanship - I’m ready to drive an aspen stake to everyone. which indicates their reliability ...
            To those. who says about their magical patency - the second count.

            Machines work like this
            2pcs - in the region of Nizhny Tagil,
            1 in the Uvat area.
            1. dvina71
              dvina71 4 November 2019 20: 13 New
              +4
              Quote: SovAr238A
              I have in operation

              I have in operation MAZ Zubrenok .. One of the sore spots of the checkpoint .. which is like sandy sanding, changed three .. and then one day .. we got the checkpoint from the last issues of ZIL-157 .... year of manufacture 1979 .., I went on a timber truck .. Well, they sorted it out ... I don’t even see such bearings in the store now, the axial play is -0 ... really zero .. Just put it back and put it on the car .., the feeling was that they put the gearbox from the Mercedes ... So you don’t need to compare army all-terrain vehicles and consumer goods .. I crawled out onto the ZIL with a shit winch .. in general I stood up to my chest in the water when s out of the cab .. Picking around for an hour and a half .. water in the bridges did not appear .. year of manufacture ZIL 1970th ..
  8. tech3030
    tech3030 4 November 2019 11: 41 New
    +2
    In the service in the SA, in my ass I felt all the delights of a trip in the back! Almost like a cart only higher speed!
  9. 110600122708
    110600122708 4 November 2019 12: 39 New
    +1
    The Zyryanin-111 all-terrain vehicle is also made on the basis of Gaz-66 components and assemblies, only the aluminum body, is equipped with a domestic front-wheel drive VAZ engine, or a Toyota diesel engine, 1600x700x635 wheels of domestic manufacturer Trekol, allow the car to sail with a load of 800kg, Gaz-66 chassis (axles) , cardans, transfer case) allow the car to move on asphalt at a speed of 75 km \ hour, and on complete impassability with a minimum speed of 1 km \ hour. The machine is used in the far north, where there is a complete lack of roads, and in the summer you can only move on such machines.
  10. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 4 November 2019 13: 01 New
    +1
    You can still experiment with nez. Suspension, on Kamaz there are such developments. The car will become lighter by 1-1,5 tons.
  11. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 4 November 2019 14: 51 New
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    Quote: Zaurbek
    You can still experiment with nez. Pendant

    It's time, not all soldiers have titanium vertebrae like a terminator.

    The Japanese in their Toyota Mega Cruiser, gracefully beat the independent suspension without compromising reliability, and added the ability to turn the rear wheels (less turning radius).
    That was a long time ago...




    https://www.drive2.ru/c/2599338/
  12. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 4 November 2019 16: 48 New
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    finally, our designers began to create a modern, beautiful look for cars
  13. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 4 November 2019 18: 34 New
    +5
    Thanks to the author. Especially for the photo.
    On this unit, I rode pretty (at the time) as a driver. Rights are simple (at least I had some at that time). A regular carrier was busy (I do not remember already) with something more important.
    The engine was gasoline (it was about the year '98-99). He was Troilus and had two visions on which the world stood. But then, I thought that the machine is a beast!
    And what ergonomics !! .. It's something! Mirrors! ... What a view backward divine !. And the doors ... How deliciously the doors closed !!! With a delicious click.! Divine machine.
    The steering wheel was only a little tight compared to the '53. I also replaced the driver on it. But it's probably just the settings of the car.
  14. Saxahorse
    Saxahorse 4 November 2019 21: 35 New
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    The funny thing is that at the very beginning of the journey, back in the 50s, there was an idea to create an analog Dodge 3 \ 4 laughing

    However, in the course of improvement, enlargement and optimization, they finally came to the 7-ton Sadko-Next. But the heavy jeep did not appear here. The Belarusians won Chinese buy.
  15. Evil 55
    Evil 55 5 November 2019 10: 57 New
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    A good and simple car will always find its consumer ..
  16. utyutkin
    utyutkin 5 November 2019 11: 28 New
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    gas sucks! born to crawl will not fly. but volat is power
    https://www.volatdefence.com/katalog/semejstvo-6001/mzkt-500200/
  17. Jager
    Jager 11 November 2019 19: 55 New
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    Jesus Mary !!! Looked closely at the gun on the lawn in Syria - this is the famous anti-tank ZIS-2! Looks like ours, even from the storerooms. When the deliveries started, I somehow caught a glimpse of the news on the unloading truck, whose open boxes were visible around ... I then rubbed my eyes - DP-27 machine guns!)))
  18. Varaga
    Varaga 30 November 2019 22: 01 New
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    It would be nice to have a caravan based on "Lawn Next".
  19. Severok
    Severok 3 December 2019 00: 41 New
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    GAZ 3308:
    - dead frame;
    - creepy cab ergonomics;
    - dead engine on gasoline;
    - bad iron from which cabs are made;
    - huge engine appetite (gasoline);
    - weak steering;
    - filthy electrician;
    - normal cross;
    - all!...

    Concerning the lighting equipment of cars that are supplied to the security forces, blocking lights are a bad decision. Inconvenient access to them for replacing lamps, fragile plastic fasteners, their constant fogging and incredible absorption of moisture in the housing, high cost. The wish to the designers is not to put blocking lights at all.

    Regarding the parts used in the assembly of cars supplied to the security forces - what kind of pest thought up on such cars to save fuel with indicators of Euro 2 and higher? And what kind of deer did you think of putting CHINESE components in the transmission nodes ??? For this I want to tap on the turnip to the pepper that arranged this get along.