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How was formed Ukrainian nationalism and Nazism

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From a tolerant Soviet society to an aggressive nationalist


Over the years of independence, Ukrainian society has turned from a Soviet tolerant into an aggressive nationalist with elements of Nazism, imposing its nationalist ideology and views on other ethnic groups living in the country. Such a transformation has under itself historical roots and due to the targeted actions of the Ukrainian elite.




To understand the essence of the processes taking place in Ukraine, it is necessary to clearly understand how, under what influence and from what ethnic groups Ukrainian society was formed. Today, official Ukrainian propaganda claims that Ukraine is a unitary state in which only Ukrainians live, with a small interspersing of other ethnic groups united in a monolithic Ukrainian nation.

All this is a fiction, no Ukrainian nation exists, Ukraine is a patchwork, woven in different historical eras from different nations that were part of different civilizations. Galicia after the collapse of Kievan Rus more than 700 years before its accession by Stalin in the 1939 year was at the margins of Western civilization as an oppressed people and has long lost its Russian roots. The center of Ukraine for a long time was under Polish rule, acquired the specific features of a mixture of Russian and Polish culture with its originality, and in the 17th century it became part of the Russian Empire. Southeast - the original Russian land, the Wild Field, mastered by the administration of the Russian Empire in the XVIII century under the leadership of Prince Potemkin.

The Bolsheviks united all these territories into the Ukrainian Republic, which, with the collapse of the Union, became an independent state. So in one state on occasion there were different peoples with different historical destinies, with different mentality and national values ​​and diametrically opposite ideas about their future. At the same time, it should be noted that in these three megaregions, population groups that are fundamentally different in their social composition have developed.

Diametrically opposite ideas about the future


The population of Galicia overwhelmingly consisted of a slaughtered peasantry living in villages, with a mentality of a small proprietor and slavish submission to their master. There were no Ukrainian cities on this territory, all of them in their culture were only Polish and Austrian. Galicians consider Lviv their capital, but they forget that before Stalin took it from the Poles in 1939, there were 63,5% of Poles, 24,1% of Jews and only 7,8% of Ukrainians, who were mostly servants and janitors. It was a purely Polish city, the urban population of Lviv was replaced by villagers, who, by their mentality, have remained so until now. The whole real culture of Galicia is Polish-Austrian, and from Galician in it there is only peasant folklore, the peasant lower classes simply captured the cities and made them large villages. Now they are doing the same operation with Kiev, turning it into a large Galician village.

The population of the center of Ukraine was also mainly rural, living in villages and small towns and villages with a peculiar mentality of a small proprietor, striving for separation according to the principle of “my hut from the edge”.

The southeast is an industrially developed region with large industry, where the predominantly Russian population lived mainly in large cities.

The origin of nationalism


For the emergence of nationalism, an appropriate social environment was needed with an oppressed population with characteristic petty-possessing instincts and the absence of a great past with heroic victories and achievements. All this happened in Galicia, and here at the beginning of the 20th century, in the most backward and industrially undeveloped part of Ukraine (then Austria-Hungary), Ukrainian nationalism was born on the basis of the oppression of the local population by the Poles and Austrians and the suppression of the Rusyn movement.

The ideologist of Ukrainian integral nationalism is a native of Donbass Dontsov, but all his activity and formation as a politician took place in Galicia. The ideology of Ukrainian nationalism was based on violence, expansion, racism, fanaticism and ruthlessness to the enemy. According to Dontsov, the ruling caste of the nation "knows neither mercy nor humanity in relation to the individual." It was on this basis that the idols of ukronacism Bandera and Shukhevych grew up. Modern followers of Dontsov in Ukraine successfully implement his postulates and mercilessly crack down on dissenters.

In other parts of Ukraine there was no such environment, there was no national oppression, the Ukrainian branch of a single people quietly developed in its natural environment. There were separate episodes of the manifestation of nationalism, such as the actions of the Mikhnovsky group, which were not perceived by the masses and quickly subsided.

In the center a small-town rural nationalism was formed with its domestic features specific to the rural and small-town inhabitants. In the Southeast, except for an insignificant part of the nationally preoccupied intelligentsia, no nationalism existed, the overwhelming majority of the population was with the Russian mentality, and manifestations of Ukrainian nationalism were alien to it.

After the revolution in the Southeast, attempts to force the Ukrainian national identity to be forced into Ukrainian national identity by the “Leninist guard” were unsuccessful even because it was foreign to the local population and it rejected the imposed identity, remaining Russian in spirit.

In Soviet Ukraine, the people were not united by a national idea, there were no national movements even in Galicia, everyone was satisfied with the ongoing national policy. Having accidentally gained independence during the collapse of the Union, the local Ukrainian party-farm nomenclature for the seizure and justification of its power raised Galician nationalism to the shield, making it a state ideology. Then the oligarchic clans intercepted this and, in their own selfish interests, robbing the state with Western support, they began to build a nationalist mono-ethnic state as opposed to Russia.

Galicia vs Southeast


Over a quarter of a century, this process has advanced quite far and has even begun to take over the regions of the Southeast. To do this, it was necessary to create an appropriate social environment and it was intensively formed. In fact, a war broke out with the city, Galicia, as an aggressive and backward Vendée, opposed the developed Southeast. The Galician peasant mentality by the efforts of the authorities began to be imposed on the entire population of Ukraine.

The work was carried out in two directions: reducing the carriers of the Russian mentality and Russian identity and fundamentally changing the information space in Ukraine in order to impose a new identity on the population. The main values ​​of the people were overestimated and others were imposed as fundamental with the help of the repressive apparatus.

To this end, science and high-tech industry were eliminated in the cities, which led to the disappearance of the intelligentsia, competent specialists and the working class, who are carriers of Russian identity. Society gradually lumpenized, people lost their qualifications and became unskilled labor, the most capable and active left the country. In agriculture, the existing way of life was destroyed, the peasants became small owners of land shares, who were not able to process and leased them, going into slavery to tenants. In a village abandoned by the state, it became easy to impose “national ideas” on the peasants who fought for survival and explain everything with the machinations of the enemy, in whose person Russia began to speak.

In the best traditions of Goebbels propaganda, the mass media disseminated flows of lies and myths about the “great Ukrainian nation”, the absence of Russian roots in the Ukrainian population, the centuries-old enmity of Russians and Ukrainians, the European origin of the Ukrainian population and its desire for an “enlightened” Europe, where everyone a happy future awaits.

In Ukraine, at first Russian alternative sources of information were banned and then banned; in fact, the Russian language was also banned, and it was impossible to teach at schools and universities. Having unleashed a civil war in the Donbass, they accused Russia of an aggressor country, Russophobia and military hysteria became the basis of state propaganda.

The bearers of Russian culture and the Russian mentality were infringed on civil rights, politically active citizens supporting the ideas of the “Russian world” were repressed, their activities were outlawed, many were repressed or emigrated abroad.

In Ukraine, there are few people who are able to adequately assess what is happening. The majority turned into a gray mass, easily perceiving any nationalistic nonsense, this turned out to be subject to some of the Russians living in Ukraine, abandoning their Russian identity and assimilated into the Ukrainian nationalist environment. This especially affected the young generation who grew up in Ukraine, many of them become convinced Nazis, ready to kill people with other political views.

The environment of radical nationalism


By such methods, a social environment was created in Ukraine, easily susceptible to the ideas of radical nationalism, self-exaltation, search for the enemy and prone to annihilation of all those who oppose the implementation of their nationalist and Nazi ideas.

In this situation, in addition to Ukrainian nationalists, a flow of outright Nazis and fascists, supporters of the "white race", a typical representative of which is the Azov group, has formed. These already openly under Nazi symbols preach Nazism and fascism and promise to cleanse society from those who disagree with their ideology. Such nationalists and Nazis form punitive battalions for the war in the Donbass, organizing atrocities against civilians.

Today, almost all the system of state power, the education system and the media space are saturated with nationalism, it is they that ensure the formation of a nationalist and Russophobic society in Ukraine.

In this situation, it is quite difficult to return Ukrainian society to an adequate state. Without a radical replacement of the Ukrainian elite and the power sweeping of radicals, nothing will change in Ukraine. Shy attempts of Zelensky to restrain the radicals cause them only the desire to further increase pressure and achieve their goals. Ukrainian society itself must recognize the need for an active opposition to the nationalism imposed by the authorities, it is the public rejection of nationalism and Nazism that can lead to the replacement of the Ukrainian elite and a change in the vector of state development.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 4 November 2019 05: 57
    +10
    In this situation, it is quite difficult to return Ukrainian society to an adequate state.

    They opened Newton’s bin ... now in Ukraine there is a cleansing of the Soviet past in all vectors ... there is a violent Ukrainization of the population ... a state completely hostile to us is forming right next to us ... do we need this ... we must do everything to such a state did not take place in principle.
    1. venaya
      venaya 4 November 2019 06: 26
      +11
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      now in Ukraine there is a cleansing of the Soviet past in all vectors ... there is a violent Ukrainization of the population ... a state completely hostile to us is being formed at our side ...

      Alexey, the processes of Ukrainization continued in the initial period of Soviet power. Only in the 30s did Stalin realize the harm of this whole movement, in the face of the impending and preparing war (and he realized this at first already in 1928), all this useless for the country Ukrainization began to decline. Much has been restored, but a lot of time has already been lost, and now we are all reaping the fruits of these Trotskyist experiments. And what began after 1954, again returned to us all the "charms" of this very already quite developed nationalism. Do not forget that no such "nation" as a "Ukrainian" existed in principle until 1917, there were only individual private attempts in this direction, and then most often from abroad. Briefly it turns out something like this.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 4 November 2019 06: 27
        +6
        Vyacheslav ... now explain to me why now the leaders of Europe and the GDP with such obstinacy now want to push LDNR into this pro-Nazi-minded Ukrainian state.
        1. venaya
          venaya 4 November 2019 06: 43
          +5
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          why now with such persistence LDNR want to push the pro-Nazi Ukrainian state into this pro-Nazi.
          Yes, in reality, there is no way to shove him there. And not only because, in principle, it is absolutely not beneficial to anyone, it is no longer even possible, and all parties clearly understand this, they simply do not explain anything to anyone yet. Here, openly stupid international legal norms are still working more, and where jurisdiction works, a normal person cannot understand anything at all. So it's not so easy to really explain, professionals on these issues with explanations more confuse the public, so I obviously can't cope with such a difficult task in a simple way. I myself think that it is by no means worth "driving the horses" here. Something like that, well, I'll be happy if I still managed to explain anything.
          1. Nicholas C.
            Nicholas C. 4 November 2019 14: 34
            +5
            Quote: Yuri Apukhtin
            Galicia after the collapse of Kievan Rus more 700 years Before its accession by Stalin in 1939, she was at the margins of Western civilization as an oppressed people and had long lost Russian roots.
            Not seven hundred years, of course. The collapse of West Russian civilization - the Union of Lublin in 1569. (Except for the fact that the Poles annexed the Red Rus earlier, for example, after the battle of the Blue Waters in 1362, the same Lublin, etc.) But the Rusyns resisted for a long time. They went into submission to Rome only in 1596 (Brest Cathedral) after pressure from the West with murders, prisons, fires and bribery. The Catholic symbol was adopted in 1720 (Zamois Cathedral). As the Russian Empire strengthened, the reverse processes took place - the Uniate Rusyns began en masse, in villages, to return to Orthodoxy. In Austria, Russophile movements appeared, one of the prominent figures of which was Ivan Franko. In response to this, the West, as is typical of it, used terror, ethnic cleansing, concentration camps, and genocide against the Rusyns. The idea of ​​creating a separate nation, the Ukrainians, was also successful for the West. (1892, Young Ukraine Lodge). Although the first Ukrainians were Poles who fled to Austria after an unsuccessful uprising in the Republic of Ingushetia, later on they were joined by the most despicable Jude from the Rusyns (Austria actively encouraged such). Of particular note is the genocide, the mass extermination of Rusyns under Hitler, first of all, by the newly-minted Ukrainians.

            PS. The Bolsheviks actively used the Petliurists for violent Ukrainization; even the head of the Young Ukraine lodge arrived and began to serve the Bolsheviks. The fact that the Banderaites, despite their fierce war crimes, did not receive such punishments as Russian policemen, and were soon massively forgiven by Khrushchev, fits into this outline.
        2. Non liberoid Russian
          Non liberoid Russian 4 November 2019 07: 30
          -2
          feed base, no one wants to support them, Donbass at least some kind of industry and mines
        3. Mainbeam
          Mainbeam 4 November 2019 07: 39
          +2
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
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          You can watch Giulietto Chiesa "Destroy Donbass - Shell and Chevron Contract" or "Shale Occupation of Ukraine. Chaos Shell, Chevron and Ukrgasvydobuvannya. Yaremovka"

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        4. Mainbeam
          Mainbeam 4 November 2019 08: 03
          +1
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
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          I remember when “Crimea is ours” the question arose, why not Donbass?

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          It now seems that the GDP has abandoned everything. And he really stated that the Russians were not abandoning the Russians, threatened and warned in the direction of the West (I remembered the film Brother-2: "We Russians do not deceive each other"). So it was not little green men who fought there, but various voluntary PMCs. Illegally. To sculpt in unconsciousness and excuses.
        5. New Year day
          New Year day 5 November 2019 12: 18
          +3
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          why now the leaders of Europe and GDP with such obstinacy now want to push LDNR into this pro-Nazi-minded Ukrainian state.

          Everyone has their own interest. EU: maintaining the status of a Ukrainian, state, fear of further border movements, creating comfortable conditions for its economy.
          GDP: braking of Ukraine on the way from Russia, blocking its path to NATO.
        6. German Titov
          German Titov 5 November 2019 23: 26
          0
          You can’t "shove in not" crammed "(not a swear word). Dad and mom are Russians, and suddenly I’m a" Ukrainian. "
      2. Vladtrigu
        Vladtrigu 8 November 2019 12: 48
        +1
        Quote: venaya
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        now in Ukraine there is a cleansing of the Soviet past in all vectors ... there is a violent Ukrainization of the population ... a state completely hostile to us is being formed at our side ...

        Alexey, the processes of Ukrainization continued in the initial period of Soviet power. Only in the 30s did Stalin realize the harm of this whole movement, in the face of the impending and preparing war (and he realized this at first already in 1928), all this useless for the country Ukrainization began to decline. Much has been restored, but a lot of time has already been lost, and now we are all reaping the fruits of these Trotskyist experiments. And what began after 1954, again returned to us all the "charms" of this very already quite developed nationalism. Do not forget that no such "nation" as a "Ukrainian" existed in principle until 1917, there were only individual private attempts in this direction, and then most often from abroad. Briefly it turns out something like this.

        Quote: The same Lech
        In this situation, it is quite difficult to return Ukrainian society to an adequate state.

        They opened Newton’s bin ... now in Ukraine there is a cleansing of the Soviet past in all vectors ... there is a violent Ukrainization of the population ... a state completely hostile to us is forming right next to us ... do we need this ... we must do everything to such a state did not take place in principle.

        Nazism in Ukraine, as throughout the world, comes from the Zionists.
        For more than 100 years, the Trotskyists, the Nazis are movements financed and led by the Zionofascists.
        It is no secret that more than 150000 people of Zionist origin fought in Nazi Germany in the Wehrmacht against the USSR.
        after the revolution of 1917 in Russia, the Zionofashists organized the genocide of the indigenous population.
        in Ukraine, the Zionists Turchinov-Kogan, Parashenko-Valtsman, Timashenko-Kapitelman, Yaytsenyuk-Bakai, and others who came to power, organized a massacre (ATO).
        All Natsiks of Ukraine Yarosh, Tyagnibok-Frotman, "Semen Semenchenko", Moiseychuk and others are Zionofascists.
        the goal is to destroy and destroy Ukraine, building on its wreckage "New Judean Khazaria" ...
        what are the Hasidic leaders in Uman planning there?
    2. Basil50
      Basil50 4 November 2019 07: 01
      +1
      leche
      You are right, but the author bypassed the question HOW in reality the ideology of what was called Ukrainian nationalism was created.
      The Austrians were KILLING all who were suspected of sympathizing with the RUSSIAN EMPIRE. Whom they only suspected of sympathy were driven to concentration camps.
      After the collapse of Austria, the creation of Ukrainian Nazis took up the Poles. All ideologists of Ukrainian Nazism were Polish citizens. But can you imagine HOW the Poles managed to * get * all of these Nazis that at the first opportunity they began to destroy the Poles ....
      1. venaya
        venaya 4 November 2019 08: 00
        +1
        Dmitry, here I apologize, but I will try to wedge a little into this discussion about the creation of this, concrete nationalism and explain at least something a little: Of course, everything revolves around the dough, hence the invention of such a newly-made "nation" is first attributed to 1801, and from the outside Polish land magnate. Then the Napoleonic Wars raced, and as a result of them a certain "Holy Roman Empire" finally disappeared, which included many non-Germanized Slavic peoples. Nicholas I tried to use this event, for this he developed a powerful movement for national independence of all Slavs in the Austro-Hungarian Empire. To be honest, he managed to achieve great success in this, newspapers began to be published in the languages ​​of these peoples, thus Nicholas I wanted to include all still not Germanic people into his Empire. Such vigorous activity of his was naturally noticed by everyone, here Rothschild himself got in a hurry, creating a completely new "German Empire" in the Germanic territories, and for the Habsburgs themselves, this activity was mortally dangerous, therefore, at the first opportunity, they took revenge on the Romanovs by creating already in 1915 Years of the concentration camps Talerhof and Terezin, thus creating a new nation. Although even before that, in Lviv, they began to actively create a new "Ukrainian", that is, an anti-Russian language on the basis of the languages ​​of the not yet Germanic peoples of their Empire and + the Polish language, in Lviv as early as 1905. This is where this whole nasty project chronologically comes from. Information about this in bulk, it is a pity that all this I have expressed is not yet very advertised. Briefly something like this.
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      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 4 November 2019 10: 37
        +8
        Quote: Vasily50
        You are right, but the author bypassed the question HOW in reality the ideology of what was called Ukrainian nationalism was created.
        The Austrians were KILLING all who were suspected of sympathizing with the RUSSIAN EMPIRE. Whom they only suspected of sympathy were driven to concentration camps.

        You are absolutely right, and the author is sadly unfamiliar with the real history of Galicia: pro-Russian sentiments there before WWII were stronger than Ukrainian ones. The slogan of many of the population of those years was: "United Russia - from the Carpathians to Kamchatka." There were several pro-Russian organizations, newspapers, books were published. And this despite the fact that the Ukrainians were imposed by force by the official authorities of Austria.

        They joyfully welcomed the Russian army in WWI. then. during the retreat, they were massively evacuated with her from the Avtrians. Galician Ruthenian massively driven into Austria. death camps, just for that. that they are russian.

        After the WWII, all Russian there was violently destroyed by the Poles. the remains were destroyed already in the conspiracy of Ukraine ....
      3. Hlavaty
        Hlavaty 4 November 2019 21: 40
        0
        Quote: Vasily50
        You are right, but the author bypassed the question HOW in reality the ideology of what was called Ukrainian nationalism was created.

        The roots of this phenomenon are much deeper, and Ukrainian nationalism was created not in Galicia, but in Little Russia, from the moment Ukraine joined Russia under Khmelnytsky
        .
        There is one wonderful, but little-known book on this subject:
        Nikolay Ivanovich Ulyanov "The origin of Ukrainian separatism" (1966)

        You can still find it on the Internet.

        Nikolai Ivanovich Ulyanov (1904 — 1985) - Russian emigrant, historian, professor at Yale University (USA). The result of his 15-year work, the book “The Origin of Ukrainian Separatism” (1966), is a well-reasoned study of the metapolitical problem, more than a century of exciting the minds of the Slavic world on both sides of the barricades. The work, written in a peculiar essay manner, demonstrating the broadest erudition and liveliness of the mind, unparalleled in covering the chosen subject of research, could not be published in the United States: leading publications of its parts in periodicals immediately provoked opposition from opponents who disagreed with Ulyanov’s main thesis : Ukrainian separatism is based on an audit of Russian history. Most of the circulation of the only lifetime edition was bought up and destroyed by them; the following saw the light only after 30 years in Russia. The name of N. I. Ulyanov in Ukrainian historiography is still deliberately hushed up, because his work helps to understand the genesis of modern ultranationalism, reveals the roots of money-grubbing and permissiveness inherent in the current powers that be.
      4. Antares
        Antares 5 November 2019 14: 45
        0
        Quote: Vasily50
        The Austrians were KILLING all who were suspected of sympathizing with the RUSSIAN EMPIRE. Whom they only suspected of sympathy were driven to concentration camps.

        WWI began and they acted in the spirit of the times
        all "dumb" and "possibly traitors" began to destroy.
        Talerhof - deported residents of Galicia and Bukovina - Rusyns who were sympathetic or suspected of sympathizing with the Russian Empire, as well as deported from their regions according to the statements of Poles and Ukrainophiles. So it doesn’t matter if you were Ukrainians there, Ruthenian, Russian, and even an alien but sympathetic to RI-everything. you are a client of the camp.
        How cleverly Russian propagandists are using Talerhof and Terezin as "concentration camps" for the Russians, but all the peoples on the territory of modern Ukraine - only those suspected of sympathizing with the Republic of Ingushetia - suffered the most.
        And given the general sympathy of the Galicians for the Russians, and the ease with which the Russian military was accepted, the Austrians had enough work.
    3. Revolver
      Revolver 4 November 2019 07: 39
      +1
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      everything must be done so that such a state does not take place in principle

      Nothing to do, Ukraine as a state did not take place, and will not take place in the foreseeable future. And this is not an ideology, but an economy. At some point, when the Nord Stream starts operating, the Ukrainian GTS will be shut down as unnecessary and cheap Russian gas will end. And the budget of Ukraine will not stand up to buying American shale gas through Poland, it is already scarce, and in the very first winter the cities will start to freeze.
    4. Vadim Golubkov
      Vadim Golubkov 4 November 2019 07: 41
      +1
      Not only the Soviet past, but also Russian.
    5. Stas157
      Stas157 4 November 2019 08: 28
      +4
      Globally, the Americans strengthened centrifugal forces during and after the destruction of the USSR, maintaining nationalist relations along the perimeter. After all, as you know, centrifugal sentiments in society are based on the nationalism of the outskirts. I would not blame exclusively the (Ukrainian) people or the "short-sighted" policy of the USSR for this. This is an objective process that always arises after the destruction of a major center.
      1. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 4 November 2019 16: 09
        +2
        There is such entertainment in Lviv. The street orchestra plays funny music. And he sings enthusiastically - "Hto ne skache that Moskal! Moskalyaku to the gylyaku!" People listening to the music jump up and applaud .. Throws money to street musicians .. The square smells of fresh coffee, muffin and .... Nazism. Why Nazism? Tse are innocent entertainment and earning pennies! Imagine in Sevastopol on the Nakhimov square in front of tourists playing music and singing songs - "He who does not jump is a JEW!" "Innocent entertainment, making money! ... Another example? In Chernigov, in the city center, a one-room apartment with a total area of ​​56 square meters costs 7 (seven) thousand dollars .. What does this mean? About the oversaturation of the housing market? About falling purchasing power of the population" Ukraine! The impoverishment of the people! In Sevastopol, such a one-room apartment costs at least 1 room.Apartment costs ----
        5 rubles ($ 000) a
        Sovetskaya street,
        total 48 m2 / core 20.7 / kitchen 14.3m2, floor 1/3 .. This is the city center ..... And this is a sleeping area ..-- 1 room. flat
        5 500 000 rub. (75 thousand dollars) a
        Stepanyan St.
        total 53 m2 / core 18.4 / kitchen 16.4m2, floor 16/16 It is clear that housing is expensive in Sevastopol .. But anyway, almost ten times the difference!
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 4 November 2019 16: 25
          +4
          I was invited here to Odessa, to visit, at sea, with my family. I was afraid of something. I decided not to risk it.
          Some of Russia, seizing the opportunity, are buying something in Ukraine, with the hope that this bacchanalia should end sometime. And prices will naturally skyrocket.
          1. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 4 November 2019 19: 14
            +2
            Quote: Stas157
            I was invited here to Odessa, to visit, at sea, with my family. I was afraid of something. I decided not to risk it.

            In Odessa, acquaintances say they treat our people normally .. The Russian city .. But, God knows them Natsik .. Not even them, but their puppeteers .. They will say face. You can get a share.
            1. Vladtrigu
              Vladtrigu 8 November 2019 12: 34
              +1
              Quote: 30 vis
              In Odessa, friends say they treat our people normally .. City Russian



              Is Odessa a Russian city? ))))))))))
              it seems to me sho people from Odessa "Privoz" have already bought the whole city on the vine
          2. Antares
            Antares 5 November 2019 14: 47
            0
            Quote: Stas157
            I was invited here to Odessa, to visit, at sea, with my family. I was afraid of something. I decided not to risk it

            if there is an invitation then no problem. Especially by plane.
            Quote: Stas157
            Some of Russia, seizing the opportunity, are buying something in Ukraine, with the hope that this bacchanalia should end sometime. And prices will naturally skyrocket.

            Some Sberbank laughing even made already the removal of the arrest. And still exists! In Odessa. (And Ukraine)
    6. phair
      phair 4 November 2019 09: 18
      -1
      Newton was rarely wrong ... The reaction would be adequate. In Crimea, there are raguli in a stall, in Donbass it seems to be close to that. The vector is defined. Most of all I like the position of "Terneyles" (workers are different there, and there are plenty of Russians). A word on politics - home! The rest is taiga all around;)
    7. Dart2027
      Dart2027 4 November 2019 10: 50
      0
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      now in Ukraine there is a cleansing of the Soviet past in all vectors ... there is a violent Ukrainization of the population

      In fact, the Ukrainization of the population - this is the Soviet past.
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  3. Mainbeam
    Mainbeam 4 November 2019 07: 24
    +2
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  4. Mihail55
    Mihail55 4 November 2019 07: 30
    +7
    Everything is written on the shelves ... competently! And here it is
    "... science and science-intensive industry were liquidated in the cities, leading to the disappearance of the intelligentsia, literate specialists and the working class who are carriers of the Russian identity. Society gradually lumpenized, people lost their qualifications and became unskilled labor, the most capable and active left the country."
    Is it only in Ukraine?
    Oligarchs only in Ukraine? But the role of the oligarchs? Gref still did not recognize Crimea as Russian, as did Lukashenko! The USSR is to blame for turning the once backward part of the Russian empire into a prosperous land. What about Russia? Slowly and inevitably, things turned to current events ... except for concerns - NOTHING !!! Well, managed to save the Crimea! And Donbass - NOT OUR ??? And constant negotiations on gas ... is this the most important thing for US ??? Isn’t it time to finish encouraging the Nazi regime?
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 4 November 2019 07: 36
      -3
      Well, how do you want to save Donbass and on what grounds exactly at the state level? what can be done? declare war on Ukraine? grab her? and we didn’t save the Crimea, let's look at it real and decide our interests.
    2. Winnie76
      Winnie76 4 November 2019 14: 58
      +1
      Quote: Michael55
      What about Russia? Slowly and inevitably, things turned to current events ... except for concerns - NOTHING !!! Well, managed to save the Crimea! And Donbass - NOT OUR ???

      The Novorossiya project de facto did not work out. Ishchenko explains in great detail why. From the twentieth minute
  5. knn54
    knn54 4 November 2019 07: 50
    +1
    The author missed a few points
    Cyril and Methodius Brotherhood;
    -Ukrainization of the Ukrainian SSR by Lazar Kaganovich, with a parallel process in Western Ukraine, initiated by the Austrians (if a person says that he is a Rusyn or Little Russian, he could get into a concentration camp or simply be hanged) This "event" was continued by Poles, Hungarians and even Italians.
    1. venaya
      venaya 4 November 2019 08: 08
      0
      Quote: knn54
      Cyril and Methodius Brotherhood

      Interestingly, you are also familiar with this topic, otherwise I haven’t seen any mention of it recently, so I think that many people just don’t really understand what is really happening today. This topic itself is interesting and explains a lot just about today.
  6. Amateur
    Amateur 4 November 2019 07: 53
    0
    In Soviet Ukraine, the people were not united by a national idea, there were no national movements even in Galicia,

    In 1972 he went on a tour of western Ukraine. In the town of Volovets (this is somewhere in the middle between Uzhgorod and Lvov) at the camp site we were directly warned not to leave the camp site in the evening, because "Muscovites are beaten here."
    1. Avior
      Avior 4 November 2019 10: 13
      +1
      in those days it generally happened that the local village clung to the urban community.
      who is older, he remembers.
  7. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 4 November 2019 07: 53
    +2
    Actually, at first I thought that V. Kamenev had written ... It turns out that he is being "pissed off" too .... And so, the topic is so hackneyed that because of the broken virtual copies it is simply not interesting. Therefore, after the first obzatsev quickly flipped through to the end to find out who is the author of this annoying opus ...
    1. Antares
      Antares 5 November 2019 14: 55
      0
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Actually, at first I thought that V. Kamenev had written ... It turns out that he was being "pissed off" too.

      no, this is his more "thoughtful version" of Apukhin.
      At first I sinned on Samsonov but the absence of super-Russians immediately betrayed.
      But similarly to Samsonov, the author again slipped-there are no Ukrainians and there were none.
      Having discounted all the work.
      If you build relationships with the world - on the basis of the principle "these have never happened" then in the Russian Federation they offer two options
      1-When it is necessary to "squeeze the territories" - it's all Russian
      2-when "population is not needed" - they are all Bandera ...
      laughing
      With such an approach, the Russian Federation and Ukraine will not cook porridge, and the author clearly works for our ideologists.
      For them, an extra confirmation of the "aggressive Kremlin propagandists" who want to destroy Nenka and all Ukrainians only from this principle "you never were."

      I have long noticed - someone will give an answer to the global question?
      Why, of all the republics and countries in the world, does the Russian Federation have the biggest claims against Ukraine?
      And why, from all countries and republics, ONLY UKRAINE AND UKRAINE IS NOT AND WASN'T?
      I understand the reverse claims (all heresy is mixed there), but why is Ukraine and Ukrainians so sacred?
      A little more and the authors will slide to the destruction of Ukraine and Ukrainians only on ideology, they never existed. (The idea is the invaders of our lands)
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 5 November 2019 16: 58
        0
        Quote: Antares
        And why, from all countries and republics, ONLY UKRAINE AND UKRAINE IS NOT AND WASN'T?

  8. Dmitry Gundorov
    Dmitry Gundorov 4 November 2019 09: 05
    +3
    Propogandy fan fiction again
  9. DNS-a42
    DNS-a42 4 November 2019 09: 19
    +1
    The author goes around the bush, but still does not give a clear definition of Nazism.

    To begin with, nationalism is characteristic of all societies living under capitalism. Capitalism is the pope of a political nation. Of course, with the restoration of capitalism in the USSR, the formation of nationalist sentiments began. Nevertheless, nationalism is not always extremely chauvinistic in nature, for example: the Russian Federation.

    And so, Nazism is a form of fascism with a strong inclination towards chauvinism. And Fascism - it is an open terrorist dictatorship of the most reactionary, most chauvinistic, most imperialist elements of financial capital ...
    In simple terms, fascism is capitalism that has thrown aside the democratic screen, mobilizing the population for increased exploitation of both the external world and the internal territory. The fascist state is striving to build a corporatist model of society: “unite, laborer, with the tycoon”, “we are a great and ancient nation”, “all troubles are the machinations of enemies”. In such a society, chauvinism finds a very fertile ground. All of their troubles can be attributed to Jews, Slavs, blacks and others. Anyone, but not the big monopoly bourgeoisie.

    Instead of organizing to change the socio-economic formation, the proletarians slaughter each other. But the class struggle is drying up, turning the aspirations of the working people outside, abroad. And then ordinary guys are armed with crowds and chains, and then you look, they already have Nazi shoulder straps on their shoulders, and nothing but zoological hatred of other nations in their heads.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 4 November 2019 09: 59
      +2
      Quote: DNS-a42
      And so, Nazism is a form of fascism with a strong inclination towards chauvinism.

      Yes, here and so everything is like in the "hodgepodge of the national team", everything is in a heap, and nationalism with fascism, and in addition also chauvinism with hopeless stupidity and stupidity. Here I drank such a salt, it seems delicious, and an hour later my stomach took hold.
  10. Samum
    Samum 4 November 2019 09: 28
    -2
    While we were bred in the East by manual cop bandits, cops themselves, bosses mocked us in the West, worked on the brains of the masses, cherished them, helped with work, ordinary people (nationalists) built three-story houses for us there on a rotational basis in the North of Russia to Europe and the USA. East huddled in five-story and nine-story buildings, involuntarily humiliating each other and fluttering nerves.
    And now here are the pro-Russian leaders who were sitting on our humps yelling "Get up", well, let's get up and what will we win next, and in 20 years Russia will again surrender us to the next relics and criminals for another tear!
  11. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 4 November 2019 09: 50
    +1
    the peasant lower classes simply captured the cities and made them large villages. Now they are doing the same operation with Kiev, turning it into a large Galician village.
    All right, although they are "raguli", they are very well organized and united. The school of the "Bandera" underground is well trained, and the authorities have no experience in fighting them, and they do not want to fight. In general, what you wanted is what you have, no one will help you here.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 4 November 2019 13: 07
      -2
      Quote: tihonmarine
      the peasant lower classes simply captured the cities and made them large villages. Now they are doing the same operation with Kiev, turning it into a large Galician village.
      All right, although they are "raguli", they are very well organized and united. The school of the "Bandera" underground is well trained, and the authorities have no experience in fighting them, and they do not want to fight. In general, what you wanted is what you have, no one will help you here.

      I once read that at the time of the formation of Czechoslovakia in the cities there was a similar situation where the Czech language was peasant and urban German. It was the same with competence in science, business, information, etc., and Czechoslovakia was losing part of the territory inhabited mainly by Germans during the Sudetenland. Probably the Germans at that time wrote about the Czechs that their language is the language of the peasants and is not suitable for the city, science, business and in general they oppress the Germans there offering them to learn and know the backward Czech language of the villagers and they need to be saved from this.
  12. Scud
    Scud 4 November 2019 10: 01
    -1
    A significant part of the Ukrainian colonies, the older generation, if not nationalists, then vegetating in cold apartments, toothlessly blather about Putin’s attack. I answer for every word, as I live in Zaporozhye and communicate with relatives and acquaintances from Khersonskaya, Ternopolskaya, Donetsk, Poltava and others
    The only acceptable solution for dill and Russia (and it’s real) is that the Nazis, having the ideology of destroying everything, will tear apart two or three enclaves, one of which will be New Russia!
    1. Avior
      Avior 4 November 2019 10: 14
      +5
      Known thing.
      The fifth year they freeze and fall apart.
      1. Scud
        Scud 4 November 2019 11: 06
        +1
        Dear Sergey. Although lazy, but I remind you of your irony, the first mudan, the loss of 12 thousand square kilometers. the waters of the Black Sea (hello to the Romanians) second mudan-remind or look out the window?
        1. Avior
          Avior 4 November 2019 12: 00
          -1
          I don’t know what is mudan, what kind of loss of water area, and what should I see in the window?
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 4 November 2019 12: 24
            +3
            Quote: Avior
            what a loss of water

            https://podrobnosti.ua/580269-zmeinyj-bolshe-ne-chast-beregovoj-linii-ukrainy.html
            1. Avior
              Avior 4 November 2019 14: 58
              -1
              You have a strange link.
              Old story.
              And what side of the water is this? The water area has been and has remained international, with the exception of 12 miles of Ukraine’s territorvoda around Snake.
              By reference there the mistake already in the first sentence is not a territorial dispute, but a dispute over the definition of an exclusive economic zone.
              Further that article of the same primitive level.
              Zmeinyy was on it when he served back in Soviet times, by the way, it was recognized as an island and part of Ukraine, the economic zone was divided by a court decision.

              "The court did not agree with the demands of either side and independently determined the border of the exclusive economic zones of Ukraine and Romania. The new line takes into account a small area around Serpents' Island measuring 12 nautical miles, and then runs between the Romanian coastline with a length of 248 kilometers and the Ukrainian coastline with a length of 705 kilometers. The court recognized the Snake Island ".
              Are you and Scud the same person?
              I actually asked him.
              hi
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 4 November 2019 15: 31
                +2
                Quote: Avior
                Old story.
                You asked
                Quote: Dart2027
                what a loss of water
                in response to
                Quote: scud
                loss of 12 thousand square kilometers the Black Sea (hello to the Romanians)
                Here is the answer.
                Quote: Avior
                Zmeinyy was on it when he served back in Soviet times, by the way, it was recognized as an island and part of Ukraine, the economic zone was divided by a court decision.

                In fact, we are talking about the water area - those same 12000 km.
                1. Avior
                  Avior 4 November 2019 16: 35
                  0
                  Actually, the water area was not divided, but only the zone, in the second, 12 thousand zones were divided, in the third, I actually asked the question Scud - what did he mean, and not you?
                  Is this your second nickname?
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 4 November 2019 18: 36
                    +2
                    Quote: Avior
                    what did he mean

                    I'm not a Scud, I just know what it is about.
                    Quote: Avior
                    secondly, 12 thousand zones were divided

                    Actually, this is something that went back to Romania.
          2. Antares
            Antares 5 November 2019 15: 02
            -2
            Quote: Avior
            what is mudan

            probably maidan.
            Only it is not connected with the water area. Could of course continue to pull with the court. But there was still an unsettled dispute. But our university proved the main thing - Snake Island.
            Of course, it was possible, like the USSR, to make the face a brick and not do anything. However, with it, Romania would not get anything.
            And the second "mudan" (Maidan) hints at 13,22% of the occupied territory. Although for a certain period the interest was much higher. They managed to win back 2/3 of the territory of the regions.
            And the main thing is to save the country. This is the strongest test for the country from the day of its existence. And then they lived with illusions. Hopefully after this lesson there will be no more mudans!
      2. Semurg
        Semurg 4 November 2019 13: 15
        -2
        Quote: Avior
        Known thing.
        The fifth year they freeze and fall apart.

        It is very difficult for Russians to understand that it is not Russian to have their own national state after a long stay in a non-state, this is the main priority and for this you can freeze and starve and fight.
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 4 November 2019 13: 30
          +2
          Quote: Semurg
          It is very difficult for Russians to understand that it is not Russian to have their own national state after a long stay in a non-state

          This is of course touching, but there was no residence outside of his state, because there were no Ukrainians.
          1. Semurg
            Semurg 4 November 2019 14: 10
            -1
            even if there were no Ukrainians before today they are. The more Russians argue the opposite, the more Ukrainians will move away from the Russians.
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 4 November 2019 15: 01
              +3
              Quote: Semurg
              the more Ukrainians will move away from Russians

              The whole point of the Ukraine project is to convince a part of the Russians, and the choice of the Ukrainian population is very simple - either return to Russia or become a gangster enclave, simply because the state of Ukraine does not need either Russia (Russia tried to cooperate before the coup, and now deploy no one will be back), nor Europe (it’s easy for her to Ukraine), but the United States will not keep it.
              1. Avior
                Avior 4 November 2019 15: 10
                -2
                What are your huge geopolitical categories.
                It’s convenient, what not to write will do.
                It turns out that the world, as it works, that Russia, the USA or Europe does not need, is a gangster enclave.
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 4 November 2019 15: 33
                  +2
                  Quote: Avior
                  what Russia, the USA or Europe do not need is a gangster enclave

                  And that there is something else on the territory of Ukraine? What other achievements can the "new but proud people" boast of?
                  I remember this storm was raised under the slogan "tse Europe", do not you forget? So what about Europe?
              2. Antares
                Antares 5 November 2019 15: 07
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                Quote: Dart2027
                The whole point of the Ukraine project is to convince some of the Russians, and the choice of the Ukrainian population is very simple - either return to Russia or become a gangster enclave, simply because the state of Ukraine does not need either Russia

                The Russian Federation is one of the founders of Ukraine. Moreover, the main and sometimes the only one.
                And the Russian Federation has always been beneficial to Ukraine. Even now I can’t imagine what all Russians would do without Ukraine. laughing
                As far as I understand, it is necessary to "return" to where there is an idea and a desire to implement it.
                What can the RF offer as a unifying idea?
                "VUkrainevseploho"? will not work (even on the contrary - right there all Russians and Ukrainians are stubborn and quick-tempered)
                “VRF will all be buried and endured !? - will not work. It is the same with us.
                Therefore, simple ideas, Grandmas rule. Both there and there. And then this country.
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 5 November 2019 16: 55
                  +1
                  Quote: Antares
                  The Russian Federation is one of the founders of Ukraine. Moreover, the main and sometimes the only one.
                  Ukraine was invented in AB and created by the Bolsheviks.
                  Quote: Antares
                  And the Russian Federation has always been beneficial to Ukraine.
                  And what?
                  Quote: Antares
                  What can the RF offer as a unifying idea?
                  But will there be nothing to offer? What for? It will either return to Russia, or it will simply be destroyed. Moreover, Russia will not participate in this - why spend the forces themselves?
  13. fsps
    fsps 4 November 2019 10: 27
    +1
    There is a curious theory on the topic:
    https://cont.ws/@sevariga/1484447
    The most interesting thing at the end.
  14. Ros 56
    Ros 56 4 November 2019 11: 52
    +3
    Without many words
    There is much more on this subject.
    1. icant007
      icant007 4 November 2019 12: 44
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      Pushkin, of course, well done! Only he did not write it.
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 4 November 2019 12: 47
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        For what I bought, I sold it. This is not my art.
        1. icant007
          icant007 4 November 2019 13: 07
          +2
          Well, you apparently support this attitude? Forgot how many Ukrainians died on the fronts of World War II? Were they also lackeys of Europe and spiritual slaves?
          1. Ros 56
            Ros 56 4 November 2019 13: 17
            +3
            Hedgehog it’s clear that this is about banderlogs, you don’t need to make Kovtunov out of us, I wrote a hundred times that I myself am married to a thoroughbred hohlushka. It is in our blood that Kozhedub, Kovpak, Vershigora, Khmelnitsky are we ourselves, along with Zhukov, Rokossovsky and many millions of others. We were together for three hundred years, and now some Bandera jackals began to rock our unity.
            1. icant007
              icant007 4 November 2019 13: 23
              0
              Nevermind )
      2. Den717
        Den717 5 November 2019 11: 57
        +1
        Quote: icant007
        Only he did not write it.

        The poem is called: The so-called Galician elite. Written on October 23, 2003. Author Elena Fominichna Lavrentieva.
  15. iouris
    iouris 4 November 2019 19: 05
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    The darkness of experts on this topic - and sho? And who will talk about who and how has pocketed financial flows? Hey!
  16. BAI
    BAI 4 November 2019 20: 20
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    on the principle of "my hut from the edge."

    Yeah. "My hut is on the edge" is not a Russian proverb. "Giving back the last shirt" is not Ukrainian.
  17. Basarev
    Basarev 4 November 2019 20: 46
    +1
    It is very casually said about the role of the Soviet government, which in fact invented Ukrainians from scratch.
  18. nnz226
    nnz226 4 November 2019 21: 05
    +2
    Only mass executions will save Little Russia from Ukrainian nationalism! Bandera fascism must be burned out with a hot iron! For, as A.V.Suvorov said: "An unfinished forest grows!", Which was shown by the decade after 1945.
  19. Baloo
    Baloo 5 November 2019 08: 08
    +1
    Today, almost all the system of state power, the education system and the media space are saturated with nationalism, it is they that ensure the formation of a nationalist and Russophobic society in Ukraine.

    To the question of who is the master of the house and whose slippers are in the house: the president of Ukraine before the king of Ukraine
  20. Den717
    Den717 5 November 2019 11: 52
    0
    Ukrainian society should itself recognize the need for an active opposition to nationalism imposed by the authorities, it is the public rejection of nationalism and Nazism that can lead to the replacement of the Ukrainian elite and a change in the vector of development of the state.

    What Ukraine needs today to move away from nationalism to normal internationalism is called "strong" power. Sharp turns in the development strategy of states in world practice were carried out as a rule by dictatorial regimes. These regimes were different - fascist, social-nationalist, "dictatorship of the proletariat", etc. They had one thing in common - they were all based on armed violence. Ze does not have this organ of violence. Therefore, I think that a sharp turn from nationalist radicalism in Ukraine today is less than unlikely. There are no prerequisites for it - neither public active demand, nor organizational capabilities of the authorities. In my opinion, the only road to change is the bankruptcy of the state and its division into parts as a result of the intervention (peacekeeping missions) of neighboring states (like Poland in 1795).
  21. Jarserge
    Jarserge 5 November 2019 15: 45
    +1
    It would be a stretch to call Ukrainian Nazism nationalism .... Why? Nationalism is the ideology of the highest value of one nation, in this case "Ukrainian". Not only that, this "nation" has not actually formed yet and does not have all the inherent features thereof. So the Nazis themselves do not consider this pseudo nation a value. The main ideological motive of Ukrainian nationalists is hatred of Russians and everything Russian. It was this algorithm that the special services of the Austro-Hungarian empire laid in them, and the Polish, German and then the Anglo-Saxon ones only strengthened ...
  22. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 6 November 2019 12: 03
    +1
    In Soviet Ukraine, the people were not united by a national idea, there were no national movements even in Galicia, everyone was satisfied with the ongoing national policy.

    I understand that the OUN / UPA national movement not considered? Ten years after the war they cleaned Ukraine, the most stubborn nationalists were driven out, and the most cunning went to ruin the power from the inside.

    By the way, for the national idea Ukrainians should thank the Soviet government with its internationalism (the Russian people in "Lenin's internationalism" had to yield in all other nations) and the forcible Ukrainization of the territories that entered the Ukrainian SSR. The Reds did not even hesitate to return their political enemy (Grushevsky) from Austria and make a whole institution for him - if only he created centuries-old history of the Ukrainian nation.
  23. bunta
    bunta 7 November 2019 09: 05
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    In my opinion, we need to define the terms nationalism and Nazism. There can be no negative factors in nationalism. Nationalism is just an attitude towards a biosocial group with its cultural and historical tradition. There cannot be a person outside the nation. Nationalism does not claim the superiority of one nation over another. Nazism is a special case of racism. The imperative of Nazism are the slogans "Deutschland Uber Alles" or "Ukraine over the mustache." The presence of armed formations to achieve their political goals of the SS or "Azov" is already fascism.
  24. Dnatoly
    Dnatoly 7 November 2019 11: 12
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    Good afternoon!
    When I read the comments, it surprises everyone's ability to complicate things!
    If I were engaged in Moscow, and before that in Ukraine, repairing complex medical equipment in the same way, I would probably not have restored a single device! ))
    I don’t know what the author’s analysis was based on, but alas, it’s very far from the truth,
    and by the way, everything is much simpler. And all decisions lie on the surface.
    1. Dnatoly
      Dnatoly 7 November 2019 11: 21
      +2
      I explain! ..
      After the collapse of the Soviet Union, after some time, Galicia could easily leave Ukraine, or remain in it, but separate territory. unit.
      In Galicia, initially the mood was separated from the whole of Ukraine, and they proclaimed this for a long time, but! ..
      But they minzhevalis, they were afraid of their own homegrown oligarchs, having received power, they will live off the world! It is from the outside and in words they are all such "brothers", but in reality ...
      Been on long business trips in western Ukraine, I know what I'm talking about!
      Yes, and Poland did not like this situation ...
      And we went from Poland to Galicia, and eventually to Kiev, "emissaries" under the guise of various funds and grants, free funds flowed ...
      And for free, as you know, and vinegar is sweet! ..
      Day after day, the Poles, taking advantage of the ideological vacuum, rubbed the Westerners, and especially the youth, that Lenin "KAT" (the executioner), the commies and Muscovites enslaved Ukraine, that Galicia should not be disconnected from Ukraine, but on the contrary, it was necessary to help out brothers, and to squeeze out the Muscovites by everyone by hook or by crook.
      In the 90s, he talked with active youth from Galicia, they often visited the Dnepropetrovsk region on business matters. Then they were one hundred percent convinced that Galicia should secede, and they say they do not care about the rest of Ukraine.
      But, over time, the Polish "informants" imposed a different "belief" ...
      Naturally, the Poles thus decided their selfish interests, but no one bothered them. And the ice broke ... s, seeing positive developments, did not spare the funds to fool the population of Ukraine and most importantly, provided proven technologies for influencing the biomass consciousness! .. All these slogans and leaps were tested for a long time, even when Yugoslavia collapsed.
      1. Dnatoly
        Dnatoly 7 November 2019 11: 23
        +2
        With the availability of funds, corrupt bastards are easy to collect. For example, in Dneprodzerzhinsk, Yarosh sold woolen socks and mittens in the market, which his wife knitted, and went to Ternopil for wool. There he was recruited, given money and the task to collect a gang of thugs in the Dnepropetrovsk region of a thousand people. In order not to shine, the professor of the University of Ternopil, through which the creation of such groups was "financed", attached Yarosh to the pedagogical institute in Galicia in Dragobych, which he graduated from ...
        In fact, he was "ideologically" educated in the nationalist camps in Galicia and Poland.
        Note! With the tacit consent of the Ukrainian authorities and the Kremlin!
        Everyone knew and saw the whole alignment! Natalya Vitrenko, the leader of progressive socialists, the cleverest woman, unlike the majority of male pi * kindreds, who advocated a fraternal union of the Slavs, shouted and could not shout about it loudly, never tire of repeating! But it was poured mud in Ukraine as soon as they could, but in Russia they did not notice point-blank!
        Everyone was happy that they scold the "commie" ...
        As for external debts, before the coup there were practically none, so these debts are on the conscience of Poland and the United States. Zelensky is definitely a sucker, but the stupidity of the population who chose a Jewish sucker for dad and mom is not even surprising ...))
        1. Dnatoly
          Dnatoly 7 November 2019 11: 26
          +1
          If the people had brains, they would elect Muraev as president. There is no need to orient Muraev, he would return the debts to Russia, and send the rest in the right direction, especially the IMF. I would strengthen the non-aligned status so as not to step on the same rake and friendly relations with neighbors, especially with Russia. Crimea would become Ukrainian, in the sense that the Ukrainian people would have rest in Crimea as before, but only much better. The ownership of the Crimea was and will be Russian, and so that idiots do not have schizophrenic doubts, they and the entire European riffraff should be taken out on excursions to the Crimea to the places of military Glory of the Russian army in the Crimean Wars, to show where admirals and officers who fought for Russia are buried! Seeing the tomb of thirteen admirals in the Cathedral of St. Vladimir and the graves of dozens of Russian naval officers, I think many will change their worldview! You need to show the numerous palaces built for the Russian tsars in the Crimea, and the mansions of Yanukovych and his lads should be wiped off the face of the Crimean land. Nevertheless, they all remained in the positives! Only the people are fools! On the Crimean coast and Zelensky has a mansion, and the former prosecutor of Ukraine "Lugandon" Lutsenko, too, as well as many other "famous" Ukrainian villains, have real estate in Crimea ... Yes, there is, but, unfortunately, a raven's eyes will not peck out! ..
          This is the essence of the problem.
      2. Dnatoly
        Dnatoly 8 November 2019 11: 38
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        Strange, wrote P AND N D O S, only Y was left in the message. They destroy the American cattle of the state, organize coups, thousands of people died and die in the Donbass from their submission, and on the site they protect their image ..))
  25. Andrey_S
    Andrey_S 27 August 2022 22: 03
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    I myself am Russian, but I have been connected with Ukraine since 1964 and got to know this country well. In Odessa I learned to swim, in the Carpathians I climbed to the tops of the mountains, in Lvov and in the Dnieper I served in the Army. There were problems in the USSR, but there was no Nazism. But, in 1979, Brezhnev started a war in Afghanistan and the West began to support the opponents of the USSR .. In 1980, there was a boycott of the Olympics in Moscow and active work began against the USSR .. And in 1985, Chernenko tried to take 10 wagons of gold out of the USSR to form a gold reserve independent Ukraine. We detained the gold right on the border with Poland and returned it to storage. Ukraine took revenge in 1986 with Chernobyl, and in 1989 it switched to funding from the West and began to accept Nazi capital in Western Ukraine, expelled from Swiss banks. This is how Nazism in Ukraine gained material support. And 25 years later, a Nazi coup d'état was carried out in Ukraine. But, it is not written in textbooks and in the media. Alas.