Military Review

Legendary baron

90
We want to recall Baron Petr Nikolaevich Wrangel (15.08.1878 — 25.04.1928), a Russian general, an outstanding military and statesman of the White movement.


Legendary baron


Volunteer of the Russo-Japanese War


The future commander of the Russian army came from the nobility of the St. Petersburg province. He graduated from the Rostov Real School and the Mining Institute of Empress Catherine II (St. Petersburg, 1901).

In September 1901, he entered the rank of private volunteer 1 rank in the Life Guards Horse Regiment. In March of the following year, P.N. Wrangel, after graduating from the regimental training command, became a non-commissioned officer, and in July - a standard-cadet. He passed the exam for the officer rank at the Nikolaev Cavalry School (according to the 1 rank) and was promoted to cornet (pr. 12. 10. 1902 g .; Art. 12. 10. 1902 g.) Enlisted in the guards cavalry.

With the outbreak of the Russo-Japanese War, the young man did not consider it possible to stay away from military events and was volunteered (the Highest Order of February 6 1904) was identified in the 2 Verkhneudinsky Regiment of the Transbaikal Cossack Army (based on a report to the Highest Name). On February 27 of the same year, he was transferred to the 2 Argun Cossack Regiment. During this period, the Baron earned the first military award - the Order of St. Anne of the 4 degree "For Courage" (4 of July 1904). The centurion (pr. 12. 1904; Art. 01. 12. 1904; for the difference in cases against the Japanese) P.N. Wrangel was transferred to the 1905 hundredth Separate reconnaissance division in May 2. For differences in cases against the Japanese, the baron was promoted to sub-jail (Art. 22. 06. 1905). With 06. 01. On 1906 he was transferred (with renaming to staff captains from Art. 11. 06. 1905 g.) To the 55 Dragoon Finland Regiment. In the same period (1906), P.N. Wrangel became a holder of 2 combat awards: orders of St. Stanislav of the 3 degree with swords and a bow and St. Anna of the 3 degree.

On the 30 of August the 1906 of P.N. Wrangel was assigned to the Life Guards of the Horse Regiment, and 26. 03. 1907, he again returned to the Life Guards Horse Regiment - transferred as lieutenant of the guard (Art. 22. 06. 1905). In December 1909, he became the staff captain (Art. 22. 06. 1909).

"Guardsman Academician"


Then Pyotr Nikolayevich commits an extraordinary act - despite the fact that service in the Guards regiment was already an excellent prerequisite for career growth, he entered the Nikolaev Academy of the General Staff (seconded on 20 on August 1907). And in 1910, he completed both classes (in the 1 category) and an additional course ("successfully") in the Academy. The Baron was seconded from the Academy to the headquarters of the St. Petersburg Military District, but "at his own request" remained to serve in the ranks of the "native" Life Guards of the Horse Regiment. Having completed the course of the Officer Cavalry School (1911 g.), Arrives in the regiment.

Since 22.05.1912, Mr P.N. Wrangel became temporarily commander, and then commander of the 3 th squadron. The captain (Art. 22. 06. 1913) P.N. Wrangel led him and went to the Great War.


Rotmister P.N. Wrangel


Causeni feat


P.N. Wrangel is one of the first Russian St. George cavaliers of the First World War. He received the Order of St. George of the 4 degree (Order for the troops of the 1 Army from 30. 08. 1914 No. 72 and VP 13. 10. 1914) he deserved for a horse attack against the existing German artillery battery.

On August 6 on 1914, during the battle of Caushene, dismounted squadrons of the guards cavalry attacked parts of the German 2 1st Landver Brigade, supported by 12 guns and 3 squadrons. Russian cavalry (numerically not exceeding the composition of the 4 battalions of the Germans) attacked the 6 battalions, supported by artillery and occupying a defensive position.

It is not surprising that the frontal attack of dismounted cavalrymen passed tightly. As the source noted: “by 15 hour. the entire horse detachment got involved in a marching foot battle with the German infantry at the front of the villages of Raudonachen, Meshken, Tuteln, Kaushen, Pilkalen and somewhat to the south. Parts suffered heavy losses, with 1 and 2 guards. div slowly moving forward, the consolidated remained in place. "

The support of the Guards Equestrian Artillery and the equestrian attack of the Horse Guards 3 Squadron, Captain P.N. Wrangel, made a difference. The squadron galloped at the enemy’s guns - and captured 2 field guns, 4 charging drawers and a tower. Under P.N. Wrangel, a horse died from a gunshot.



As a result, "The news of the success of the guard and the capture of the German battery quickly spread to parts of the consolidated division, the fire of the German infantry waned, the goals of dismounted Elizavetgrad, Kurland and Novorossiysk troops began to advance rapidly and soon the village of Meshken was busy, the horse batteries moved to the area south of this village and started shelling the village of Kraupishken. "

The Germans began to retreat, and the Russians took possession of the ferries across the river. Inster.



To commemorate the feat, both captured 77-mm guns, as well as the tower and 4 charging drawers, were granted a “gift” to the Horse Guards, finding themselves in the barracks of a glorious regiment.


One of the "Kaushensky" 77-mm guns is the Horse Guard trophy


From 12.09.1914, P.N. Wrangel was the chief of staff of the Consolidated Cossack Division, and from 23.09.1914, he was the combatant commander of the cavalry regiment's life guard. In October 1914, the baron received another military award (Order of St. Vladimir of the 4 degree with swords and a bow), and in December of that year he became the adjutant wing (VP 06.12.1914) and colonel (VP 12.12.1914; Art. 06.12.1914 g.).

By Order No. 10 for the troops of the 418 Army, for the difference in cases against the enemy 13 on April 1915, he was awarded the George weapons.



P.N. Wrangel - commander of the 1 Nerchinsk Regiment of the Transbaikal Cossack Army (since 08.10.1915). The regiment was part of an outstanding cavalry unit - the Ussuri cavalry brigade (then - the division). And then he became the commander (from 24.12.1916) of the 2th brigade of the Ussuri equestrian division, transferred to the Romanian front. During this period (December 1915), the baron becomes a holder of the Order of St. Vladimir of the 3 degree with swords. In addition, by the Highest Order of November 27 of 1916, he was granted the 2 of the seniority with the rank of colonel.

Major General (VP 13.01.1917; Art. 22.08.1916; for military distinction) P.N. Wrangel, 23.01.1917, was appointed temporarily commander of the Ussuri equestrian division.

In Chisinau, the rumor of an uprising in Petrograd came on 4 — 5 on March 1917. At about 20 hours, General A. M. Krymov read a telegram to P. N. Wrangel informing the Provisional Government of the abdication of the Sovereign and (then) Grand Duke Mikhail Alexandrovich. The next day, orders for this were announced to the Cossacks. P. N. Wrangel wrote: “First impressions can be characterized in one word - bewilderment. The surprise stunned everyone. The officers, like the soldiers, were puzzled and depressed. Two days later I drove to the gene. Krymov (to the headquarters of the division). I found him in high spirits, very optimistic. He sincerely believed that this was a coup, and not the beginning of an all-Russian unrest. When the gene. Krymov read the manifesto of Vel. Prince Mikhail Alexandrovich, I told the chief of staff: "This is the end. This is anarchy."

Order No. 1 and subsequent measures of the tandem of the Provisional Government and the Petrograd Council for the collapse of the army fully confirmed this assessment.

On March 30, A. Krymov was appointed commander of the 3 Horse Cavalry and, in conversation with P. N. Wrangel, said: “Now we must rely on the Cossacks.” “I did not share these hopes,” wrote P. N. Wrangel. In anticipation of a new appointment, he left for Petrograd.

Finally, having received such, from 09.07.1917, Mr. P.N. Wrangel was the commander of the 7-th Cavalry Division. And the next day - the commander of the Consolidated Cavalry Corps, which was led by two months.

The summer offensive of the 1917 of the year, having begun successfully, ended in failure - the enemy strike groups turned the tide of the operation. The situation was significantly aggravated by the frankly treasonous actions of the decomposed formations and units of the Russian army - those who refused to fight and even left their positions without permission: “Gen. Wrangel in Kamenetz-Podolsk learned that having broken through the front, the offensive ended with the betrayal of the guards grenadiers, who had treacherously withdrawn capital from the front. Dzevaltovsky (Bolshevik). Behind them, throwing positions, the soldiers of the entire XIth army spontaneously fled to the rear. The enemy occupied the mountains. Tarnopol, threatening the flank and rear of the VIIIth Kornilovsk army. Gene. "Wrangel and his division were ordered to withdraw to Stanislavov, covering the flank of the VIIIth Army."

With great difficulty P.N. Wrangel, with his division and temporarily commanding the Consolidated Cavalry Corps, completed this task. His unit distinguished itself by covering the outgoing infantry in the second, retreating stage of the operation. P. N. Wrangel wrote: “Our infantry on the whole front continued to withdraw, without showing any resistance to the enemy. On the day, our front rolled back to 20 - 30 versts. The discipline in the outgoing parts was completely lost. The troops left a mass of stragglers and mercilessly robbed the population on the way. Maneuvering at the junction of the flanks of the 7 and 8 armies, my corps stayed in the transition ahead, continuously waging a rearguard battle. ”

And on the 24.07.1917 of the decree of the St. George Corps Duma (approved by the command of the 8 Army), the general was awarded the soldier George Cross of the 4 degree - for distinctions as the corps commander who covered the infantry withdrawal to the river line. Zbruch during the 10 period. 07. - 20. 07. 1917



09.09.1917 Mr. P.N. Wrangel was appointed commander of the 3 Horse Cavalry, but since the former commander of the compound General P.N. Krasnov was not de facto removed, he did not take command of this corps.

During this period of his hectic life, the baron was wounded several times and severely shell-shocked.

When the Bolsheviks seized power, P.N. Wrangel, not wanting to serve them, retired and lived in Crimea. The situation was as follows: “In Alupka, Simeiz, Gurzuf lived a number of people of St. Petersburg society. On January 10, a gene was arrested in Yalta. Wrangel. His wife Olga Mikhailovna insisted that she be taken. They drove to the destroyer, moored to the pier. Hours in 8 evenings led to customs at the "military revolutionary tribunal." Chairman, sailor Vakula, after interrogation of the gene. Wrangel turned to his wife: “Why are you arrested?” - “I have not been arrested, I voluntarily came with my husband.” “That's how it is! Why ... come here? ”-“ I have happily lived with him all my life and want to share his fate ”...“ Not everyone has such wives, ”said the chairman. “You owe your wife your life. Go! ”

From his wife Olga Mikhailovna (nee Ivanenko) P.N. Wrangel had 3 children: a son and 2 daughters.


P.N. and O.M. Wrangel


There were continuous searches and arrests at night in Yalta, and P.N. Wrangel and his family moved to Miskhor, where he lived for two months.

He traveled to Kiev several times and met with the hetman P.P. Skoropadsky. P. N. Wrangel categorically refused to his repeated offers to work together for the benefit of Ukraine.

Unable to remain an indifferent spectator of the all-Russian tragedy, the general went to Rostov and then to Ekaterinodar.

To be continued ...
Author:
90 comments
Ad

Subscribe to our Telegram channel, regularly additional information about the special operation in Ukraine, a large amount of information, videos, something that does not fall on the site: https://t.me/topwar_official

Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. Albatroz
    Albatroz 6 November 2019 18: 03
    +8
    The path of the Russian Officer.
    Impressive
    1. svp67
      svp67 6 November 2019 18: 17
      +6
      Quote: Albatroz
      The path of the Russian Officer.
      Impressive

      Heavy and not grateful. A century later, after the end of the "hot" Civil War, it is time to admit that these people are OUR HISTORY and to pay tribute to them. They also fought for a bright, in their understanding, future of Russia. It's time and the names of these people, not tainted by the sin of betrayal and service among the enemies of Russia, to name streets and erect monuments to them.
      1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
        SERGEY SERGEEVICS 6 November 2019 18: 39
        +4
        that these people are OUR HISTORY and pay tribute to them.
        This is correctly written, they also deserve respect and honor.
        1. Tashkent citizen
          Tashkent citizen 7 November 2019 07: 28
          -4
          This is correctly written, they also deserve respect and honor.

          No. Do not deserve. Because as he was a reptile and the people killed immeasurably.
          And if you think that Wrangel deserves honor and respect, then include everyone in the list of "respected and honorable" people: Denikin, Shkuro, Kolchak, Krasnov, Trotsky, Vlasov and all the other bastards, traitors and collaborators.
          1. Albatroz
            Albatroz 7 November 2019 08: 21
            +2
            then include in the list
            Would you like to continue by including in it:
            a) all those who later turned out to be enemies of the people and
            b) those who in 85 - 91 years surrendered the country with their heads, making it a semi-colony of amers, and indeed the whole world?
            Maybe in the end, the intent of the organizers of the coups of 17 years was directed at the end result, eh? wink Those who have long wanted to put our resource-rich territory under global governance?)
            But honest people (such as Denikin, Wrangel or Kolchak, who have served their homeland all their lives), do not rank Tashkent residents on the same level as your Trotsky and Vlasovs. Already someone, but they were definitely not collaborators laughing
      2. Doliva63
        Doliva63 6 November 2019 19: 23
        +3
        Quote: svp67
        Quote: Albatroz
        The path of the Russian Officer.
        Impressive

        Heavy and not grateful. A century later, after the end of the "hot" Civil War, it is time to admit that these people are OUR HISTORY and to pay tribute to them. They also fought for a bright, in their understanding, future of Russia. It's time and the names of these people, not tainted by the sin of betrayal and service among the enemies of Russia, to name streets and erect monuments to them.

        They fought for their privileges and fortunes. They killed for them. Are they monuments ?! OPS Uralmash - too? Tin. Friends should be friends sometimes, however.
        1. parusnik
          parusnik 6 November 2019 19: 52
          -14
          Is that what you are "spiteful"? smile White yesterday, fought for a brighter present today smile Indeed, it’s time to erect monuments. Today, the light, we need new old heroes, all the more they fit into the framework of modern ideology. And Wrangel just needs to put up a monument. In essence, his reform program, which he carried out, was carried out by today's leaders. through a collective agreement, the employer gives nishtyaki to workers who are not provided for by the Labor Code of the Russian Federation, the employee does not go on strike in response, the green light to foreign investment, almost free education and medicine, large emlevladeltsy in the form of agricultural holdings and farms, mortgages, loans, democracy for whom he likes the fact and vote, even for the Communists ... and so on ... So it's time .. smile
          1. Tashkent citizen
            Tashkent citizen 7 November 2019 07: 37
            -3
            The bright present today needs new old heroes, all the more they fit into the framework of modern ideology. And Wrangel just needs to erect a monument.

            Are you one of these ...? Oh well.
            Yeltsin Center, Manerheim Board, now
            Wrangel just needs to put a monument
            .
            And what about Wrangel? General Vlasov can also be, there were always enough traitors in the country.
            In your opinion now these bastards have become heroes -
            The brighter present today needs new old heroes, the more they fit into the framework of modern ideology.
            , Yes?
            You made a mistake on the site - the king-priest is kissed in the ass on other sites.

            Congratulations to all on November 7 !!!
        2. Adjutant
          Adjutant 6 November 2019 20: 20
          +5
          They fought for their privileges and fortunes.

          Shores 100 years ago. Then the propaganda was understandable.
          And now?) What does this indicate?)
        3. svp67
          svp67 6 November 2019 20: 27
          +2
          Quote: Doliva63
          They fought for their privileges and fortunes.

          Forgive me, but very many of them were not wealthy people; they were brought to the top by the "social lift" of war and revolution. Read the biography of the same Denikin or Kornilov ... People were ambitious and energetic, why do you think that they should have simply "folded their hands"?
          Quote: Doliva63
          They killed for them.

          Sorry, but in a civil war there are no absolutely bad or absolutely good, everyone has their hands in the blood of COMPANATORS
          For example, I am not very good at the fact that there is a square named after Rosalia Zemlyachka in Perm, and there is a street in Voronezh ... white army
          Quote: Doliva63
          Friends should be friends sometimes, however.

          Usually those who have a problem with this are called for this.
        4. Gardamir
          Gardamir 6 November 2019 20: 37
          +5
          Friends should be friends sometimes, however.
          Having organized a coup in 1991, they took power and now praise their heroes Wrangel, Kolchak, Mannerheim
        5. Mcar
          Mcar 6 November 2019 22: 56
          +1
          Quote: Doliva63
          They fought for their privileges and fortunes. They killed for them. Are they monuments ?! OPS Uralmash - too? Tin. Friends should be friends sometimes, however.

          So it is - monuments.

          You see what's the matter, "Russia, which they Lost "the crushers have almost already found them. A little more to a complete resemblance is not enough - the whipping of young women on Haymarket at six o'clock.
        6. Olgovich
          Olgovich 7 November 2019 07: 50
          +3
          Quote: Doliva63
          They fought for their privileges and fortunes.

          They fought for the POWER OF THE PEOPLE. Against the thieves who stole it.
          1. Flatter
            Flatter 7 November 2019 09: 12
            -3
            The literate part of the people supported the Bolsheviks, because they saw the old names under the new signs.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 7 November 2019 10: 03
              +1
              Quote: Flatter
              The literate part of the people supported the Bolsheviks, because I saw the old names under the new signs.

              unfounded lie.
              1. Flatter
                Flatter 7 November 2019 11: 02
                -1
                In St. Petersburg, for example, plants were held. Many thousands of workshops — manual labor — were gathered for the Bolsheviks' speeches, and the leadership could not prevent this. Proletarians were more literate. This is from communicating with some acquaintances about family stories.
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 7 November 2019 11: 40
                  +1
                  Quote: Flatter
                  In St. Petersburg, for example, the plants were held. Many thousands of workshops, manual labor, were gathered for the Bolsheviks' speeches, and the leadership could not prevent this.

                  let's go to the documents, not to the agitation:
                  Declaration to the Fourth Extraordinary Congress of Soviets

                  We, the workers of Petrograd factories and plants, we turn to the All-Russian Congress of Soviets of Workers, Peasants and Soldiers' Deputies with the following statement:

                  The new government calls itself Soviet and Worker-Peasant. But in fact, the most important issues of state life are resolved in addition to the Soviets; The CEC is not going to, or is going to, to silently approve the steps, without it autocratic undertaken by the people's commissars; Soviets that disagree with government policies are unceremoniously dispersed by armed force; everywhere, the voice of the workers and peasants is suppressed by the voice of delegates, supposedly representing the 10-million-strong army, disorganized by Bolshevik politics, existing only on paper, partly demobilized, partly unknowingly exposed the front and fled to their homes. In fact, any attempt by the workers to express their will in the Soviets through re-election is thwarted, and more than once the Petrograd workers have heard threats from machine guns from representatives of the new government, experienced executions of their assemblies and their manifestations.

                  We were promised immediate peace, a democratic peace concluded by peoples through the heads of their governments. But in reality we were given a shameful surrender to the German imperialists.
                  We were given a world consolidating the collapse of Russia and doing
                  its extraction of foreign capital, the world, destroying our industry and shamefully betraying the interests of all nationalities entrusted with the Russian revolution. They gave us a world in which we don’t even know the exact boundaries of our slavery, because the Bolshevik authorities, who were so screaming against secret diplomacy, themselves practice the worst kind of diplomatic
                  secrets, and already leaving Petrograd, still does not report complete
                  and the exact text of all the conditions of the world,
                  arbitrarily disposing of the fate of the people, state, revolution.

                  They promised us bread. But in fact they gave an unprecedented hunger. Us given the civil war devastating the country and completely destroying her economy. Under the guise of socialism, we were given the final destruction of industry and a breakdown in finances, we were given the theft of the public wealth and accumulated capital by people with an insatiable appetite. We were given the kingdom of bribery and speculation, which took on unheard-of proportions.
                  Trade unions destroyedfactory committees cannot
                  protect us, the city council was dispersed, the co-operatives are being hindered.

                  We were promised freedom. And what do we see in practice? Where is the freedom of speech, assembly, unions, press, peaceful demonstrations? Everything is crushed by police heels, everything is crushed by an armed hand. We have come to the shame of judicial executions, to the bloody horror of executions by people who are both scammers, provocateurs, investigators, prosecutors, judges, and executioners.

                  So in the name of what the blood of the workers and peasants of Russia is pouring in streams? So
                  in whose name the popular Constituent Assembly was dispersed, for which our best people died on the gallows, in hard labor, in prisons and exile
                  For decades we and our fathers have fought.

                  But no! Pretty bloody deception and shame leading a revolutionary
                  Russia to death

                  We, the workers of the Petrograd factories and plants, demand from the congress:

                  1. Failure to affirm an enslaving, treacherous world.

                  2. Resignations of the Council of People's Commissars.

                  3. The immediate convening of the Constituent Assembly and the transfer of all power to it
                  to end the Civil War, to recreate the unity of the free
                  peoples of Russia, organizations of industry, agriculture,
                  transport, food, gathering strength to fight back the invasion
                  March 1918

                  RGASPI. F. 275. On. 1. D. 42. L. 30-30 vol. 1;
                  1. Flatter
                    Flatter 7 November 2019 12: 32
                    0
                    Representatives of the petty-bourgeois parties (Kamkov, the Menshevik L. Martov, the anarchist-communist A. Yu. Ge, the maximalist Socialist Revolutionary N. I. Ryvkin and others) opposed the ratification of the treaty. After the closing words of Lenin and Kamkov, a roll-call vote was taken. 784 delegates voted for the resolution on ratification of the treaty proposed by Lenin, 261 voted against, 115 abstained (including “left” communists), did not vote for various reasons 84
                    https://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/bse/150561/%D0%A7%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B2%D1%8B%D1%87%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9
                    About the Brett world, and there were enough appeals from currents and groups there.
                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 7 November 2019 12: 37
                      -2
                      Quote: Flatter
                      Representatives of the petty-bourgeois parties (Kamkov, the Menshevik L. Martov, the anarchist-communist A. Yu. Ge, the maximalist Socialist Revolutionary N. I. Ryvkin and others) opposed the ratification of the treaty. After the closing words of Lenin and Kamkov, a roll-call vote was taken. 784 delegates voted for the resolution on ratification of the treaty proposed by Lenin, 261 voted against, 115 abstained (including “left” communists), did not vote for various reasons 84
                      https://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/bse/150561/%D0%A7%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B2%D1%8B%D1%87%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9
                      About the Brett world, and there were enough appeals from currents and groups there.

                      What were we talking about?

                      About the reaction of the WORKERS to a thief. Here is the REACTION
                      And Brest is just a piece of the problem .....
                      1. Flatter
                        Flatter 7 November 2019 15: 32
                        -1
                        We, the workers of the Petrograd factories and plants, demand from the congress:

                        1. Failure to affirm an enslaving, treacherous world.
                        The rest of this declaration is a screen.
      3. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 6 November 2019 20: 20
        +3
        Quote: svp67
        that these people are OUR HISTORY and pay tribute to them.

        Well I do not know. On the one hand - it is, but on the other? Interfere with neighbors in a family showdown, you know, somehow not comme il faut. But they interfered. In any case, they did not oppose. And I do not like it. This is the first moment. And the second, whatever one may say, they wanted someone to leave the king in power, and someone the bourgeoisie. Neither the first nor the second is to my liking. Although the fact that they, each in their own way, loved Russia, I do not dispute.
        1. svp67
          svp67 7 November 2019 04: 18
          0
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          Interfere with neighbors in a family showdown, you know, somehow not comme il faut. But they interfered.

          But this was done by BOTH parties to the conflict. The Reds did not disdain to do the same; moreover, they themselves intervened in "foreign showdowns"
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          And the second, whatever one may say, they wanted someone to leave the king in power, and someone the bourgeoisie.

          So they saw a blessing for their country and defended their opinion by force of arms
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          Neither the first nor the second is to my liking.

          And I do not ask, and even more so I do not force them to love. I urge that their names be preserved for History, and not deleted from it.
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 7 November 2019 08: 49
            +2
            Quote: svp67

            But this was done by BOTH parties to the conflict. The Reds did not disdain to do the same; moreover, they themselves intervened in "foreign showdowns"

            And what did the reds do? Have Martian forces been invited to help fight the whites?
            Quote: svp67
            So they saw a blessing for their country and defended their opinion by force of arms

            A bit wrong. In this struggle, they saw the preservation of the blessings for themselves beloved, which they lost if the Reds won. Which is what happened.
            Quote: svp67
            I urge that their names be preserved for History, and not deleted from it.

            Are you calling ?! Well, have their names already been deleted from school history books?
            Don't you think you're breaking through the open door?
            1. svp67
              svp67 7 November 2019 20: 07
              +2
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              And what did the reds do? Have Martian forces been invited to help fight the whites?

              "Martians" ?????? How can you not want to know the history of your country in order to ask such questions and write such nonsense. Of course, "Latvian arrows" heard? Have you ever heard of the "Chinese arrows"? They made up the bulk of the "internationalists", their number is estimated at up to 100 people on the side of the Red Army? Have you ever heard of people like Bela Kun and Oleksa Dundich? They are also foreigners, but heroes of our Civil War. So don't look for "Martians", but study history
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              A bit wrong. In this struggle, they saw the preservation of the blessings for themselves beloved, which they lost if the Reds won. Which is what happened.

              Forgive me, but then it is also true that the Reds fought not for persuasion, but for the acquisition of certain benefits for themselves. The same thing happened. By the way, in the mid-20s, the party commissions were inundated with "whiny" complaints from "red heroes" that they did not GET the desired posts and benefits, although "blood was shed for the Revolution" ...
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              Well, have their names already been deleted from school history books?

              Many YES crossed out.
              Generals Pepelyaev, Alexander Dolgorukov, Colonel Zhebrak-Rusanovich, Victorin Molchanov, Innokenty Smolin, Sergey Wojciechowski, Erast Giatsintov, Mikhail Yaroslavtsev, Mikhail Khanzhin, Pavel Shatilov show me those textbooks that describe their deeds and exploits and I agree with you
              1. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 7 November 2019 22: 05
                -1
                Quote: svp67
                to ask such questions and write such nonsense. Of course you heard the "Latvian arrows"? Have you ever heard of the "Chinese arrows"? They made up the bulk of the "internationalists", their number is estimated at up to 100 people on the side of the Red Army? And about people like Bela Kun and

                With what fright, you, citizens of the Russian Empire, Latvians, were elevated to the rank of foreign occupation troops? Did you calculate the number of "Chinese shooters" yourself? Bela Kun, as I understood from your words, came to the aid of the Reds at the head of the Hungarian army? And Oleko Dundic brought along, you say, how many Croatian divisions?
                You reminded me of Ukrainians who, having spotted several military instructors from Russia in LDN, write as much as boiling water in the statement that parts of the Russian army are in LDN.
                Quote: svp67
                Sorry, but then another thing is also true that the Reds did not fight for conviction, but for acquiring certain benefits for themselves.

                And what does the word "conviction" mean in your sentence? Think about it, it makes no sense.
                Belief in what? And the rest is right. - fought for the acquisition of benefits for the LABOR people. They, blessing, were expressed in the right to an 8-hour working day, (today there is no such right), the right to work guaranteed by the state, (today there is no such guarantee from the state), universal free education, (partially eliminated), the right to rest ( once a year compulsory leave from 15 to 24 working days for workers in basic professions) the right to get a ticket to a sanatorium or rest house 2/3 of the cost of which was paid from the social fund. insurance. Next to list? Or enough?
                Quote: svp67
                Many YES crossed out.

                Do you know all the generals - the commanders: divisions, corps, armies - participants of the Second World War by their last names? Are their "deeds, exploits" described everywhere?
                Are they all listed in history books? Or are these optional? Necessarily only the White Guard?
                1. svp67
                  svp67 8 November 2019 05: 25
                  +1
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  With what fright, you, citizens of the Russian Empire, Latvians, elevated to the rank of foreign occupation forces?

                  Since the recognition by the Soviet government of their native places INDEPENDENT COUNTRIES.
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  Did you calculate the number of "Chinese shooters" yourself?

                  Why, then, did people working in the archives do for me, they call themselves historians, have heard of such people?
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  Bela Kun, as I understood from your words, came to the rescue of the Reds at the head of the Hungarian army? And Oleko Dundich brought with him how many, say, Croatian divisions?
                  You know, now it is no longer a secret that the total number of "internationalists" who fought on the side of the Reds reached 300 people, which is roughly 000 divisions. Do you think a little?
                  For comparison, the number of people in the intervention forces
                  - Japan - 72 thousand
                  - France - 35 thousand
                  - Britain (including dominions) - 22 thousand
                  - USA - 15,5 thousand
                  - Greece - 8 thousand
                  - Romania - 4 thousand
                  - Czechoslovakia - 39 thousand
                  - Serbs - 4 thousand
                  Total, about 200 people
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  Further list?

                  Yes, go on, call me when in the USSR:
                  - was legalized an 8-hour day,
                  - when universal education became completely free,
                  - and on the vacation account the same when it began to be applied to this extent ...
                  And most importantly, were the people who fought for this able to live up to these dates?
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  Do you know all the generals — commanders: divisions, corps, armies — who are participants in the Second World War by their last names?
                  All, of course not, but I know many, especially the most distinguished ones. Those whom I named to you from the White movement, they are also particularly distinguished ... they were known by the whole White movement
                  1. Krasnoyarsk
                    Krasnoyarsk 8 November 2019 21: 50
                    -1
                    Quote: svp67

                    Since the recognition by the Soviet government of their native places INDEPENDENT COUNTRIES.

                    So it was after that.
                    Quote: svp67
                    You know, now it is no longer a secret that the total number of "internationalists" who fought on the side of the Reds reached 300 people, which is roughly 000

                    On which ceiling did you calculate all this? Give me at least a link. But even if so, then what? I don’t understand what follows from this? What were Great Russians, Little Russians and Belarusians in the SC? Or what?
                    Quote: svp67
                    Everyone, of course not,

                    Well. You can not continue. You want everything like you. And if not like you, then this is not karasho. This one does not know stories!
      4. Nikolai Korovin
        Nikolai Korovin 6 November 2019 22: 23
        +1
        Chief of Staff of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief Gen. Alekseev, who stood at the origins of the white movement, greatly contributed to the abdication of Nicholas II. It is a fact. Before that, the revolution took place only in Petrograd and was perceived as "riots". After the renunciation, the process began. And all the leaders of the White movement, without exception, incl. and Baron Wrangel, made a brilliant career after February. The slogan of the White movement was United Indivisible Russia under the flag of the Constituent Assembly. What would come of this in practice if the White movement wins is a very big question. There is information that the adm. Kolchak shot the members of KOMUCH who had been brought to Omsk, just in case. Although, maybe it's a throw-in from the left. Who knows.

        Unfortunately, the struggle between the slogans "A world without annexations and indemnities" and "War to the victorious end" (well, how can we not remember order number 1?) Led to another four years of continuous war already throughout Russia and several times more human casualties. than were brought in 1914-16. Not to mention the complete collapse of the economy. Obviously, the practically accomplished end of the war should be considered victorious. At least it's over. The Bolsheviks figured out the indemnities - and did not take them themselves, although no one offered, and the tsarist debts refused to pay. But with the annexations a little did not work out. But it could have been worse. However, in 1939, with the exception of led. book Finland and the Kingdom of Poland, the USSR occupied the entire space of the Russian Empire. Oh, yes, Kars still seemed to be ours until 1917. Well, this is a very important point. It would have been better with him. And Armenia would be much more independent than it is now.

        A difficult, difficult question was raised in Sergey's commentary. For orientation it is necessary to look once more "Wedding in Malinovka". A very large fig in a pocket in all directions. And as soon as it was not cut in due time? Completely, not partially. The line "behind the red" is sewn with white threads.

        By the way, the Bolsheviks did not overthrow Nicholas II. This is not their question. This came as a pleasant surprise to them.

        I deny in advance any accusations of political involvement. The section is called "History". All this is history for a very long time. History must be studied. This is my point of view. In France, by 1871, the public had completely forgotten who the Girondins were, who the Jacobins were, and who Robespierre was, and the conversation was about something completely different, although in approximately the same language. But one way or another, now a monument to Robespierre in Paris stands, and not so far from Napoleon's tomb, and they do not seem to interfere with each other.
        1. Nikolai Korovin
          Nikolai Korovin 9 November 2019 19: 04
          0
          I feel that someone does not like the close proximity of Robespierre and Napoleon.
          I can not do anything - these are the facts. Robespierre stands for himself, Napoleon lies nearby.
          Claims to Macron and previous presidents of France - who put Robespierre there? Napoleon laid grateful nephew. It is clear. And at the expense of Robespierre - I do not know. Look for someone who is not lazy. Who to blame for such an incomprehensible confusion.
      5. Olgovich
        Olgovich 7 November 2019 07: 49
        +4
        Quote: svp67
        Heavy and not grateful. A century later, after the end of the "hot" Civil War, it is time to admit that these people are OUR HISTORY and to pay tribute to them. They also fought for a bright, in their understanding, future of Russia. It's time and the names of these people, not tainted by the sin of betrayal and service among the enemies of Russia, to name streets and erect monuments to them.

        I agree completely

        The only thing I note is that his path was grateful: he devoted his whole life to serving the Fatherland of Russia: veteran, veteran of three wars for the homeland , repeatedly awarded for courage - what could be more honorable and grateful?

        if it were not for his exploit and the exploits of other such front-line soldiers, today Russia would have neither the Far East, nor Western Russia, nor the country itself ...
    2. alexey alexeyev_2
      alexey alexeyev_2 7 November 2019 00: 20
      0
      Impressive? Well, well .. Yes, as the author doesn’t try to wash the black male, he doesn’t succeed in getting nefigase ... Even with a cursory reading, the image of a fool and an ignoramus is clearly imprinted. The surname is only a shame ..
  2. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
    SERGEY SERGEEVICS 6 November 2019 18: 17
    -4
    Yes, in those days there were worthy people who, with dignity and respect, served their homeland.
    1. novel66
      novel66 6 November 2019 18: 36
      +10
      and hung with pleasure those who did not fit into their picture of life
      1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
        SERGEY SERGEEVICS 6 November 2019 18: 37
        -5
        As well as the red ones!
        1. novel66
          novel66 6 November 2019 18: 38
          +4
          the Reds didn’t have enemies ... the peasants were for them
          1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
            SERGEY SERGEEVICS 6 November 2019 18: 42
            -2
            Was it these very peasants who were shot, and then they began to send them to the camps en masse, or were they also enemies? Which shed blood for them, and then enemies suddenly appeared at once.
          2. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 6 November 2019 18: 55
            +4
            Read about the Tambov uprising of the peasants, maybe your eyes will open.
      2. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 6 November 2019 18: 53
        +5
        In Crimea, in terms of hanging and executions of those who did not fit into their picture of life, the reds became famous. Bela Kun and Zemlyachka, but not Wrangel.
        1. novel66
          novel66 6 November 2019 20: 34
          +5
          such wrangels were hanged and shot in the Crimea ... not the people
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 6 November 2019 20: 49
            0
            Yes of course. At first, the Bolsheviks promised to save their lives and amnesty for all those who served in the Wrangel army. But then, under the support of Lenin and under the leadership of Zemlyachka (Zalkind) and Bela Kun (the same nationality), 120 people were shot. For reference: in the reign of Nikolasha || a little more than three thousand were executed. But for some reason, bloody - Nikolai.
            1. novel66
              novel66 6 November 2019 21: 38
              +5
              all the blood of a civil war on it
              1. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. 6 November 2019 21: 44
                0
                On Lenin? Undoubtedly!
                1. novel66
                  novel66 6 November 2019 22: 04
                  +5
                  On Nikolai Romanov, if it’s completely incomprehensible
                  1. AU Ivanov.
                    AU Ivanov. 6 November 2019 22: 15
                    -1
                    Nothing that Kolya-2 by the beginning of the Civil one year had already abdicated and was under arrest? And the true monarchists among the White movement was one, two and miscalculated? The mass terror after the departure of the Wrangelites was unleashed precisely by the Bolsheviks. And they destroyed the people about as much as the Nazis during the occupation of Crimea.
                    1. Evil echo
                      Evil echo 7 November 2019 00: 46
                      +5
                      The fact of the matter is that during his reign he roamed the country with a fly.
                      1. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. 7 November 2019 10: 46
                        -1
                        And Nikolasha, for some reason, was called "Bloody", although his followers shed blood orders of magnitude more. He was slobbering, the Tsar was a Rag, you can't name it otherwise.
            2. Laurus
              Laurus 7 November 2019 16: 31
              0
              And where does 120 thousand come from? And what is not 12 million then, what is modest? There are exact numbers and they are much more modest - about 5 thousand throughout the Crimea, mainly all sorts of different bandits, who divorced more in the Crimea under Wrangel than on the homeless fleas.
  3. novel66
    novel66 6 November 2019 18: 17
    0
    Wrangel is jeans!
    1. Rashid
      Rashid 6 November 2019 18: 28
      +10
      The jeans were Wrangler, which means the herdman.
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 7 November 2019 12: 34
      +2
      Quote: novel xnumx
      Wrangel is jeans!

      A novel is a great narrative work of art with a complex plot.
      1. novel66
        novel66 7 November 2019 13: 03
        +1
        lol good and with an unexpected end! lol
  4. Hunghuz
    Hunghuz 6 November 2019 18: 23
    +5
    And officers always have the best wives!
    1. novel66
      novel66 6 November 2019 18: 33
      0
      Kolchak knew for sure!
      1. Albatroz
        Albatroz 6 November 2019 18: 36
        +5
        Honghouse is right.
        At all times. Both observation and fact)
        1. cost
          cost 6 November 2019 19: 18
          +2
          Here is a curious document:
          Track record of the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Army, Lieutenant General Baron Wrangel (compiled on December 29, 1921)

          Lieutenant General Baron Pyotr Nikolaevich Wrangel

          Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Army.

          Knight of orders: St. George IV century .. St. Nicholas the Wonderworker II century .. St. George's arms. St. Vladimir III art. with swords and IV art. with swords and bow, St. Anna of the III century. St. Stanislav II of the century. and III art. with swords and bow. St. Anne IV Art. with the inscription "For courage", St. George Cross IV Art., the Cross of Salvation Kuban I Art. and the English Order of Michael and George II Art.

          Has medals: Light bronze in memory of the 100th anniversary of World War II, light bronze in memory of the 300th anniversary of the reign of the Romanov Dynasty, light bronze in memory of the 200th anniversary of the Battle of Poltava. Honest Cross of the Holy Sepulcher. Gallipoli sign.

          Born 1878, August 15th day.

          Orthodox religion.

          Comes from hereditary noblemen of the Petrograd province

          He was brought up at the Mining Institute of Empress Catherine II, passed the test for the cornet of the guard at the Nikolaev Academy of the General Staff on 1 level and an additional course successfully.

          Service Pass:

          The service entered L. Guards. in the Equestrian Regiment as a private on the rights of a freewill 1 category ... ... 1901 sept. 1
          Non-commissioned officer at the end of the regimental training team ....... 1902 March 10
          Standard Junker ... ... 1902 July 2
          The highest order from 12 October. 1902 was promoted to cornet with admission to the reserve of the Guards cavalry ... ... 1902 oct. 2
          The highest order was determined in the 2nd Verkhneudinsky regiment of the Transbaikal Cossack army ... ... February 1904. 6
          Transferred to service in the 2nd Argun Cossack Regiment ... ... February 1904. 27
          He was awarded the Order of St. Anne IV Art. with the inscription "For courage" ....... July 1904, 4
          For the difference in cases against the Japanese, he was promoted to centurion ... ... 1904 dec. 1
          Transferred to the 2nd Hundred Separate Scout Division ....... 1905 May 26
          For differences in cases against the Japanese, he was promoted to ... ... 1905 sept. 1
          For the difference in cases against the enemy, he was awarded the Order of St. Stanislav III art. with swords and a bow By the highest order of January 6, 1906 he was transferred to the 55 Dragoon Finland Regiment with renaming as staff captains ... ... Jan. 1906. 6
          By the Highest Commandment, the Gene. Major Orlov ... ... Jan 1906 7
          Sovereign Emperor All-Mercifully deigned to personally welcome for the difference in cases against the enemy, the Order of St. Anne, III art. ... ... 1906 May 9
          With the highest permission, L. Guards was seconded. to the Horse Regiment ... ... Aug 1906. thirty
          Translated by L. Guards. Lieutenant to the Horse Regiment ... ... March 1907
          Sent to the Nikolaev Academy of the General Staff ... ... 1907 aug. twenty
          Headquarters-captain ... ... 1909 dec. 6
          He completed the additional course of the Academy successfully, is assigned to the General Staff and seconded from the Academy to the Headquarters of the St. Petersburg Military District ... ... June 1910 3
          After completing the course at the Officer Cavalry School (successfully) L. Guards arrived in the Horse Regiment as temporary commander, then commander of the squadron of His Majesty from ... ... May 1912
          The Order of St. Stanislaus II Art. ... ... Dec 1912 6
          The highest order from 11 Aug. 1913 promoted to captain ... ... Aug 1913. eleven
          St. George Duma in its meeting on August 23, 1914 awarded the Order of St. Great Martyr and Victorious George IV Art ........ 1914 Aug. 23
          Order on the troops of the 1st Army of 30 Aug. 1914 No. 72 and the Highest order of October 13. 1914)
          Appointed Chief of Staff of the Combined Cavalry Division ... ... September 1914. 12
          Appointed assistant commander for the combatant unit ... ... 1914 sept. 23
          The Sovereign Emperor mercifully deigned personally welcome for the difference in cases against the enemy, the Order of St. Vladimir IV degree with swords and a bow ... ... 1914 oct. 27
          By Highest Order of Dec 6 1914 was appointed Wing Adjutant ... ... 1914 dec. 6
          By Highest Order of Dec 12 1914 promoted to colonel 1914 dec. 12
          By order of the Troops of the 10th Army No. 418, he was awarded the St. George Arms for the difference in cases against the enemy ........ April 1915. thirteen
          By the highest order he was appointed commander of the 1st Nerchinsk Regiment of the Transbaikal Cossack Army ... ... 1915 oct. 8
          He was awarded the Highest Order of the Order of St. Vladimir III Art. with swords ... ... 1915 dec. 8
          The highest order of November 27, 1916 granted two years of seniority with the rank of colonel in 1915. 6
          Appointed commander of the 2nd brigade of the Ussuri equestrian division on 1916 dec. 24 The highest order issued for military distinction in major general ... ... 1917 Jan. thirteen
          Appointed temporarily commander of the Ussuri equestrian division ... ... Jan 1917. 23
          Commander of the 7th Cavalry Division ... ... July 1917 9
          Commander of the cavalry corps ... ... July 1917 10
          By the Decree of the award Doom of the units of the consolidated cavalry corps approved by the commander of the 8th Army, he was awarded the soldier George Cross of the IV degree for the differences expressed by him as commander of the consolidated cavalry corps, which covered the withdrawal of our infantry to the Sbruch river line from July 10 to 20, 1917 . ....... July 1917
          By order of the Supreme Commander, he was appointed commander of the 3rd cavalry corps ... ... 1917 sept. 9
          As a result of the Bolshevik coup, he refused the service and did not take command of the corps ... ... November 1917. 10
          He joined the Volunteer Army ... ... Aug 1918. 28
          Appointed temporarily commander of the 1st Cavalry Division ... ... Aug 1918. 31
          Head of the 1st Cavalry Division ... ... 1918 oct. 31
          The commander of the 1st cavalry corps ... ... November 1918. fifteen
          By orders of the Commander-in-Chief of the Volunteer Army:

          Appointed commander of the 1st cavalry corps ... ... November 1918. fifteen
          For military distinction promoted to lieutenant general ... ... Nov 1918. 22
          Appointed Commander of the Volunteer Army ... ... 1918 dec. 27
          Appointed Commander of the Caucasian Volunteer Army ... ... Jan 1919. 10
          Appointed Volunteer Army Commander and Chief of the Kharkiv Region ... ... Nov 1919. 26
          In view of the disbandment of the Army, it was placed at the disposal of the Commander-in-Chief ... ... 1919 dec. twenty
          He was dismissed ... ... February 1920. 8 (Telegram Glavnok. No. 002531)
          By order, he was appointed Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces in the South of Russia ... ... March 1920, 22
          He received the title of Knight of the Holy Sepulcher and granted the Honest Cross of the Holy Sepulcher ........ 1920 Aug. twenty
          On November 1, the Order of the Nikolaev Duma of the 15st Army Corps decided to ask the Commander-in-Chief to accept the Order of St. Nicholas the Wonderworker of the II degree
          At the request of the commander and all ranks of the 1st Army Corps, the Commander-in-Chief accepted the Gallipoli badge to be worn on his chest ... ... November 1921. 29th
          Admitted to the honorable old people and the natives of many villages of the Kuban, Tersky and Astrakhan Cossack troops, enlisted in the military estate of the Great Don Army, enrolled in the lists (by dates) of the 1st Yekaterinodar Kosher Ataman Chepegi regiment, 1st Kornilovsky shock regiment, 1- of the 1st Infantry General Markov, regiment of the Life Guards of the Cossack regiment, squadron of horse guards, the Hussar Ingermanland division, the Life Guards of the Ataman regiment and the XNUMXst infantry General of the Drozdov regiment.

          The son of the Commander-in-Chief, Baron Pyotr Wrangel, in retribution of the merits of his father by the orders of the Atamans, is a squadron of the Kuban Cossack army and a subjunch of the 1st Astrakhan Cossack regiment.

          Married with first marriage to the maid of honor of Their Imperial Majesties, hereditary noblewoman, daughter of Kamerger of the Supreme Court, damsel Olga Mikhailovna IVANENKO

          Has children: daughter Elena, son Peter and daughter Natalia.

          He has no real estate.

          He was not punished or punished.

          Participated:

          In campaigns with the 2nd Argun Regiment as part of the General Rennenkampf detachment ... ... from 1904 on. May 12 to 1905
          In intelligence and affairs with the 2nd hundred Separate Intelligence Division ... ... from June 1905 to October 1, 1905
          In campaigns against Germany ... ... from July 1914, September 22 to 1917. 9
          In affairs and campaigns against the Bolsheviks ... ... from 1918 Aug. 31
          There were no circumstances in the service of this general depriving him of the right to receive the insignia of the immaculate service or postponing the term of service to this sign.

          Signed: VR. and. D. Chief of Staff of the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Army, General Staff, Lieutenant General KUSONSKY.

          Secured by: Head of the Division of the General Staff, General Staff Colonel Underlines
          1. OAV09081974
            6 November 2019 20: 24
            +9
            rich (dmitry)
            Here is a curious document:

            Naturally. This is not just a curious document, but a track record of the protagonist.
            And I cited it in the 3-th part of the article of the cycle.
            Can I find out how I got to you?
            1. cost
              cost 6 November 2019 21: 52
              +1
              Can I find out how I got to you?

              Very simple. We all with great pleasure read the 3 part of your article in this series.
              1. OAV09081974
                6 November 2019 22: 16
                +8
                Very simple. We all with great pleasure read the 3 part of your article in this series.

                That is, you, as I understand it, a moderator)?
                Since the 3 part is still waiting to appear on VO. It has not yet been published, and only accepted for publication.
                Thanks for the answer and for reading with pleasure)
                1. cost
                  cost 6 November 2019 22: 19
                  +2
                  I am not a moderator, I am a simple participant
                  1. OAV09081974
                    6 November 2019 22: 23
                    +8
                    Then, for me, it’s a riddle - as material from the yet unpublished part of the article, which two (I hope) saw (the moderator accepted it for publication and your humble servant) flashed in the commentary.
                    Okay, I'm not an investigator. Let it remain a riddle)
                    1. cost
                      cost 6 November 2019 22: 36
                      +4
                      The document I posted is in the public domain, and anyone can read it. And your article really turned out wonderful. Without bias. Just the facts.
                      I will wait for the continuation of your cycle
                      Best regards
                      Dmitriy
                      1. OAV09081974
                        6 November 2019 22: 40
                        +7
                        Clear.
                        Thanks for the feedback!
                        Best regards hi
                  2. Evil echo
                    Evil echo 7 November 2019 00: 50
                    +3
                    . I am not a moderator, I am a simple participant

                    It is hard to believe, I received a warning for a shorter comment, but somehow you don’t. Strange ...
  5. Phil77
    Phil77 6 November 2019 18: 47
    +3
    But I personally, damn sorry, that we consider all these outstanding people on both sides of the front through the prism of a civil war. Although? But it won’t work out differently, sorry.
  6. Karen
    Karen 6 November 2019 18: 50
    -6
    It is believed that at the end of the white movement, the baron sniffed with the KGB ...
    1. Albatroz
      Albatroz 6 November 2019 20: 30
      +9
      It is believed that at the end of the white movement, the baron sniffed with the KGB

      they harassed him, that's closer to the truth
  7. knn54
    knn54 6 November 2019 18: 58
    0
    Interestingly, the regiment commander P.P. Skoropadsky received the same order for the same battle. Which included the Wrangel squadron. Then the elite German brigade was utterly defeated.
    1. Albatroz
      Albatroz 7 November 2019 15: 42
      +7
      knn54 (Nikolai)
      Then the elite German brigade was utterly defeated.

      I understand your joke. Only he is past.
      For the Causeni battle became an indisputable confirmation of two truths.
      First, ANY infantry is stronger than ANY dismounted cavalry. Both quantitatively and in terms of the volume of weapons (if we compare structural analogs). And "elite" is not important here.
      Therefore, the battle developed at first. When the dismounted cavalry was measured by force with the infantry.
      Secondly, we see what kind of result a horse attack can have - both a turning point, a time gain, and lower losses. How much the Wrangel squadron lost in the horse ranks, and how much the dismounted cavalrymen lost. Heaven and earth. And in other (successful) horse-drawn attacks, the losses of cavalrymen amounted to dozens of people, and the losses of enemy infantry were much higher (a number of articles on the VO show this very well). Well, how much would our infantry lose in a planned attack - the loss of people (low speed with the then tactics = high losses), God alone knows. Plus operational time.
      but the regiment commander P.P. Skoropadsky received the same order for the same battle

      He brought up such personnel. And in Soviet times, they often gave the order to the hero of the occasion and his commander. Tradition, c)
      Moreover, his contribution is also there.
      Aware of the terrible situation that could become critical in the event of a German counter-attack, Skoropadsky ordered the commander of the Life Guards Horse Regiment, Colonel Hartmann, to rescue the cavalry guards ...
  8. Doliva63
    Doliva63 6 November 2019 19: 27
    +1
    The murderer died, and glory be to Allah! No need to continue.
    1. The comment was deleted.
    2. Albatroz
      Albatroz 6 November 2019 20: 34
      +10
      Doliva63 (Valentine)
      The murderer died, and glory be to Allah!

      Do not show your level.
      your allah will not help laughing
  9. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 6 November 2019 19: 39
    -1
    Hmmm ... probably he also had a batman, that is, a personal servant. Who wants to clean Wrangel’s boots, or are there all the princes and counts here? And everyone thinks that they will be cleaned boots?
    1. Observer2014
      Observer2014 6 November 2019 20: 26
      -1
      Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
      Hmmm ... probably he also had a batman, that is, a personal servant. Who wants to clean Wrangel’s boots, or are there all the princes and counts here? And everyone thinks that they will be cleaned boots?

      good Yeah. This is also the current think that the elite signed up. All the former communists without exception. Or are there hereditary left from tsarist times?
      My cousin, great-grandfather. My great-grandmother’s brother. Died in 2004 for her century. He disappeared into civilian service. In Crimea, together with Wrangel. The officer of the imperial fleet. And two of his siblings. Also my cousins. Budenovtsy. Or maybe understand why it happened that brother to brother? And why was there a class struggle? How do you begin to understand why over the years. hi
      1. Sergey Averchenkov
        Sergey Averchenkov 6 November 2019 20: 35
        +3
        This is a pain and tragedy not even of Russia and the USSR. This is the pain and tragedy of probably every family ... My grandfather took out and burned typhoid corpses during the revolution, my great-grandfather was taken away by the Cheka and disappeared ... I don’t even know where he was buried, his father was an earnest communist until his death (these are not those communists now) ... And who should I be for? But I definitely won’t clean Wrangel’s boots, even better for the second time in the 17th year.
      2. Looking for
        Looking for 7 November 2019 15: 49
        0
        officer? imperial navy? at 16 years old? you.
    2. Albatroz
      Albatroz 6 November 2019 20: 30
      +5
      Hmmm ... probably he also had a batman, that is, a personal servant.

      Yes, as in the Soviet army. Ordinists only renamed)
      Or maybe it wasn’t ...
      100 years ago, people were simpler laughing
  10. DPN
    DPN 6 November 2019 20: 07
    +1
    The wife saved his LIFE, it seemed to him not enough, went against the people, what was heroic here, what he deserved and got.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 6 November 2019 20: 30
      0
      Excuse me, but why did you decide to give Wrangel to the tribunal? On what basis? He retired and wanted to live in peace. Sorry, but after such an attitude to the honored officer, you will involuntarily pick up a weapon.
      1. DPN
        DPN 6 November 2019 21: 31
        +1
        In this case, one has to regret that in 1991 there were no such officers.



        Unable to remain an indifferent spectator of the all-Russian tragedy, the general went to Rostov and then to Ekaterinodar, probably on a tour or chopping down his Russians.
    2. APIS
      APIS 7 November 2019 15: 55
      0
      Quote: DPN
      The wife saved his LIFE, it seemed to him not enough, went against the people, what was heroic here, what he deserved and got.

      Not only that, he gave the officer the floor not to fight against the Soviet regime, but violated it, as well as the oath of nicholas.
      And there were thousands of such in the bakery movement.
  11. Adjutant
    Adjutant 6 November 2019 20: 37
    +5
    Volunteer in the RIAE, Academy, St. George Knight.
    Russian warrior with a capital letter. And a decent man, you won’t take
    1. DPN
      DPN 6 November 2019 21: 42
      +2
      And a decent man, you won’t take
      And such a decent went against the Russian people, for some reason Brusilov did not go.
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 6 November 2019 21: 52
        0
        The civilian people divided approximately 50/50. In general, the Civil War is one of the most disgraceful pages of our history.
        1. Kronos
          Kronos 7 November 2019 00: 11
          +1
          Nothing shameful civil wars were in all states where the reactionaries and champions of the old always fought against the new and progressive
        2. Evil echo
          Evil echo 7 November 2019 00: 57
          +2
          There are no shameful pages in history. History is a fait accompli and there is nothing to be ashamed of. Our enemies inspire us to be ashamed of their history, who will have much more so-called "shameful" pages.
  12. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 7 November 2019 03: 00
    -2
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: Albatroz
    The path of the Russian Officer.
    Impressive

    Heavy and not grateful. A century later, after the end of the "hot" Civil War, it is time to admit that these people are OUR HISTORY and to pay tribute to them. They also fought for a bright, in their understanding, future of Russia. It's time and the names of these people, not tainted by the sin of betrayal and service among the enemies of Russia, to name streets and erect monuments to them.

    I carefully looked at the opinions of people on this topic - about 50 to 50. No, it's not time if you do not want a civil war. And it’s not that I don’t agree with you, I just don’t want to cut a neighbor.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 7 November 2019 13: 26
      +1
      ... I just don't want to cut my neighbor.


      Neighbor - to the neighbor - discord. It would not hurt to slap anyone else in the hospital.
      As for the rest ... I just suppose that we need to stop squabbling over the history of a century ago. Everyone had a stigma in the cannon. Now the problems are over the roof and the future of the country is in question, but the "red and white" still cannot calm down. Let's talk again to the point that they will devour us all with giblets. And this time it is already final ...
  13. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 7 November 2019 14: 43
    -2
    Quote: Sea Cat
    I just think you need to stop biting

    I totally agree.
  14. plebs
    plebs 7 November 2019 14: 53
    -2
    Quote: svp67
    why do you think they should have just folded their hands?
    Because they gave the officer’s word not to fight against the Soviet regime. Therefore, Kornilov was released from prison. Although people like you do it on the side, you’ll think they cheated!
    1. Albatroz
      Albatroz 7 November 2019 15: 43
      +4
      gave the word to the officer not to fight against the Soviet regime. Therefore, Kornilov was released from prison.

      Not true.
      Kornilova, at her own peril and risk, and without any words released Dukhonin from Bykhov prison (before the fall of Stavka).
      For which he then paid.
  15. Looking for
    Looking for 7 November 2019 15: 43
    -3
    Judge of the White Guard. It is a pity that the measure of his death, it was necessary to steal and publicly hang.
  16. The comment was deleted.