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The project to create domestic microelectronics was a failure

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An ambitious project to develop its own microelectronics manufacturing base, according to media reports, was a failure. 10 months after the start of the process for declaring the Angstrem-T plant bankrupt, this decision was made by the Arbitration Court of Russia. Angstrem-T owed its creditor (VEB RF) billions of rubles.


The project to create domestic microelectronics was a failure


This is a plant for the production of high-precision semiconductors, which was launched in Zelenograd. The then Minister of Communications Leonid Reiman launched the plant into industrial production.

The program of Konstantin Semin talks about how pompously the company opened, and how quickly it turned out that it was “bankrupt”. The author of the Agitprop program talks about the oddities that were discovered already at the initial stage of the production launch. Licenses were purchased from American companies, production plans concerned the creation of microcircuits with 110 and 65 nm parameters - microcircuits that are typical for Intel Pentium III and Intel Pentium IV processors, which had already been discontinued in the West by 2008.

In 2016, the company came under American sanctions. But these sanctions may have made the failure of the idea itself more legitimate, because with chips in 110 nm it is impossible to produce competitive electronics today. The chips of modern smartphones use an order of magnitude smaller “step”.

All the details about the situation with Angstrem-T in the Agitprop video:
Photos used:
Angstrem-T website
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  1. Greenwood
    Greenwood 3 November 2019 15: 10
    +40
    For some reason I’m not surprised ...
    1. 210ox
      210ox 3 November 2019 15: 13
      +10
      Who currently needs technology up to thirty years ago?
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 3 November 2019 15: 18
        +18
        Quote: 210ox
        relevant thirty years ago?
        The 90-110 nm manufacturing process mentioned in the article is approximately 2003-2006. Intel at this time released Pentium 4 on the cores Northwood / Prescott / Cedar Mill. This is still not thirty years ago. You fell in love with a computer with such a process. Those stoves were still in those days.
        1. smart ass
          smart ass 3 November 2019 15: 37
          +3
          At that time I had a pentium 3 733 MHz, a modern machine for those times
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            1. at84432384
              at84432384 4 November 2019 22: 08
              +12
              In 1988, megabits began to be mass-produced at Angstrem, and the Americans could not master it for another two years. Then a 16-bit single-board computer was mass-produced (the Kvant plant, 200 per year), while in the USA there was only the 000th 8th. Nintendo is generally cheap stuff. You don't need to talk about what you have no idea about.
              1. Alien From
                Alien From 4 November 2019 22: 18
                -9
                No reasoning, look around you right now, the answer is obvious and point!
              2. yehat
                yehat 5 November 2019 13: 04
                0
                Angstrom created this bent production to ensure the defense industry and government, not the market. Perhaps those technologies were even quite enough.
                But a delay of even 5 years already put an end to the meaningfulness of the entire project.
                What irresponsibility should be a puff? This is not intentional damage for a lot of money.
                1. nov_tech.vrn
                  nov_tech.vrn 21 December 2019 22: 11
                  0
                  modern technologies for the production of processors are prohibited by the Bureau of Industry and Security (BIS) - agencies of the US Department of Commerce for sale in Russia, as far as I remember, the purchased equipment, this is the most modern equipment that we managed to purchase, our engineers took to modernize to a less modern level, and then, as I understand it, it came into effect, our absurd economic system and the plant were brought to bankruptcy, not without reason the plant was declared bankrupt by a decision of the arbitration
            2. KLV
              KLV 5 November 2019 08: 01
              +3
              Alien, would you go to the Censor. There you will be in the pros and chocolate.
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          2. Greenwood
            Greenwood 4 November 2019 11: 23
            +1
            For the mid-zero Pentium 3 was not modern. And why should there be a modern 1999 process, they were updated very quickly in those days, plus the gigahertz race was actively going on. Since 2005, Intel launched the first line of dual-core Pentium D / EE CPUs, plus continued production of the latest 4k lines (Prescott / Cedar Mill), to which the third stump was already far away.
            1. smart ass
              smart ass 4 November 2019 11: 27
              +3
              Quake 3 walked alright
            2. yehat
              yehat 5 November 2019 13: 34
              +1
              there were 2 lines of development - improving the filling of processors and boards and improving the technology for their manufacture. In the first paragraph, almost everything that is still being done was already known in the USSR by 1985. The problem is only in the second, because the life cycle of the technology is very short.
              It is extremely difficult to compete in such conditions, and even with a whole bunch of problems in the cost of the loan, overhead and technological blockade.
              1. Ehanatone
                Ehanatone 9 November 2019 22: 48
                +1
                And more theft!
              2. Chit
                Chit 11 November 2019 00: 04
                -8
                It’s extremely difficult to compete ... I agree.
                Why is it difficult?
                Is it because the wrong economic course was chosen at one time? The wrong line?
                Maybe at some point it was necessary to focus on such production, and not on drilling holes in the ground for pumping oil and gas?
                1. Tony
                  Tony 11 November 2019 01: 38
                  0
                  Quote: Chit
                  Is it because the wrong economic course was chosen at one time? The wrong line?

                  Chit! As always, liberoid cry and attempt to teach others illiterate assumptions ... For people like you, under the USSR, we lagged behind the West in microelectronics for about 7 years and not because of oil. Think - why? And after when liberoids came to power in Russia together with you (judging by your statements on VO), we are not at all hopelessly behind in microelectronics. There are hopes to catch up, keeping the military-industrial complex ...
                  1. Chit
                    Chit 11 November 2019 01: 59
                    -12
                    Here is how? All adversity due to liberoids, then?
                    And what prevented the USSR in its time from keeping up with the damned bourgeois in the field of microelectronics? Before liberoids came to power? Wrong priorities? Lack of time due to the fact that it was necessary to drill the same holes in the ground? For pumping black liquid to the West was much more profitable than developing microelectronics?
                    Lack of money? Strange ... For all sorts of Angola and Ethiopia, the money was easy.
                    Stop looking for excuses.
                    We must honestly admit that at one time in the USSR strategic mistakes were made. Due attention was not paid to progressive industries. Because of this, all the troubles and technological lag.
                    Which, by the way, continues. Already in our time, we did not assess the prospects for shale oil according to the same scheme, we only giggled at the "soap bubble".
                    We did not appreciate the advantages of methane engines in astronautics, did not evaluate the advantages of the return stages. We just sometimes do not see beyond our own nose.
                    And blame everyone around us except ourselves.
                    Liberals, you see, are to blame .... The fact that at one time genetics and cybernetics were banned.
                    1. nov_tech.vrn
                      nov_tech.vrn 21 December 2019 22: 35
                      0
                      the analysis will draw 80 level, some stamps, but the economic course proclaimed in the early 90s, and by the way with minor bills going so far, significantly affected the rout of our technological production. Mantras about foreign investment are especially impressive.
      2. Alexey LK
        Alexey LK 4 November 2019 06: 01
        +1
        If you still click with your beak, you will have to start with 40-year-old technologies ... Because 20-year-olds won't sell ... Eh, the video mentioned the word "soldering iron" ...
      3. Lycan
        Lycan 4 November 2019 13: 21
        +1
        It seems to him - who does not want to vegetate in technology 40 .. 50 or more years ago. Besides - if the technologies of that time are not mastered - with what knowledge can one take on development to the level of modern ones?
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 3 November 2019 15: 28
      +42
      The project to create domestic microelectronics was a failure

      Who would have doubted .. Such "talented" individuals are at the helm, for which they do not undertake, everything is a failure .. but they grabbed the power with their teeth.
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 3 November 2019 15: 37
        +16
        Quote: Svarog
        Who would have doubted .. Such "talented" individuals are at the helm, for which they do not undertake, everything is a failure .. but they grabbed the power with their teeth.

        They can’t do anything else, it’s a matter of life and death. You can steal a million, a billion, but to steal a whole country ...., this has not happened in the world .....
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 3 November 2019 15: 41
          +41
          Quote: Stroporez
          You can steal a million, a billion, but to steal a whole country ...., this has not happened in the world .....

          And the most amazing thing is that they have managed to fool the brains of many and many "believers" .. Can it be that people do not see that nothing has been created at all, continuous cartoons, Solovievism and Kisilevism .. and this is in 20 years .. twenty lost years, an entire generation. ...
          1. Alex Nevs
            Alex Nevs 3 November 2019 16: 35
            -8
            And when were Solovyovkiselev experts in electronics? The whole kapMIR put a deny into it (but what a !!!). Here only Scientific potential is needed and GOSresurs. And the bundle "oligarch-entrepreneur" + bank is a utopia, a saw-cut article (read a hole) of the budget. Now technical intelligence will be cheaper, but only now. There will be no reserve for the future.
            Twenty years of loss? In electronics, yes. In all the other way around.
          2. Sunstorm
            Sunstorm 3 November 2019 20: 07
            -21
            do not like "cartoons" see "swan lake" there, after all, everything was better yes (rhetorical question, I'm not going to prove anything to you)
            The most surprising thing is the tendency to look for just one culprit out of nothing .. "for the essence of all evil is obvious to everyone ..." I adore this moment of touching unity of the Reds with Whites (Reds are some supporters of Marxism, Leninism ... White are supporters of liberalism, capitalism)
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 3 November 2019 22: 06
              0
              Quote: Sunstorm
              I adore this moment of touching unity of red and white

              No wonder. The main thing is to overthrow this power, and then we will quarrel among ourselves.
            2. Alien From
              Alien From 4 November 2019 08: 31
              -3
              Sunstorm, you just did not notice a flower in the window))) but I agree with you !!! come on minus, tramps .... !!!!!
              1. Sunstorm
                Sunstorm 6 November 2019 18: 24
                0
                Quote: Alien From
                Sunstorm, you just did not notice a flower in the window))) but I agree with you !!! come on minus, tramps .... !!!!!

                what can I say .... flowers are not mine, my cons are all =)
          3. Sailor
            Sailor 3 November 2019 20: 46
            +5
            They see that people are not stupid because they received education back in the USSR, they just can’t do anything, they couldn’t do it at 91 to 96, and they can’t even now!
          4. Vlad.by
            Vlad.by 4 November 2019 03: 22
            0
            I didn’t understand - but the plant was cut and thrown into the trash?
            Or does it work under a new sign like Nanometer +, cleared of debts?
            What are you thinking about?
            Bankruptcy for the most part is not the death of an enterprise, but the way of its restructuring.
            And besides Angstrom there are enough other manufacturers.
            I would like more, yes.
            But, give the deadline.
            1. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 4 November 2019 20: 29
              +2
              Still asking for 20 years?
            2. Nick
              Nick 5 November 2019 00: 49
              +1
              Quote: Vlad.by
              I didn’t understand - but the plant was cut and thrown into the trash?

              It passes under state control. They plan to release electronics using 28 nanometer technology as part of the state program.
              Nationalization in a word.
              1. balunn
                balunn 5 November 2019 11: 10
                -2
                with Chubais at the helm?
          5. Alien From
            Alien From 4 November 2019 08: 26
            -5
            People see everything ....... and at the same time they want to live well, can you show how ours and yours are ????. No offense, boiling .......)
          6. at84432384
            at84432384 4 November 2019 22: 10
            +1
            Outperformed Goebbels.
            1. Nick
              Nick 5 November 2019 00: 51
              0
              Quote: at84432384
              Outperform hi Goebbels.

              Semin then? I agree.
        2. Ehanatone
          Ehanatone 9 November 2019 22: 53
          0
          "but to steal an entire country .... this has never happened in the world."
          It seems before our eyes that this is the last 25 years and is happening ...
      2. Observer2014
        Observer2014 3 November 2019 15: 44
        +17
        Quote: Svarog
        hi
        The project to create domestic microelectronics was a failure

        Who would have doubted .. Such "talented" individuals are at the helm, for which they do not undertake, everything is a failure .. but they grabbed the power with their teeth.

        Well, what are you worried about? The horses at the crossing do not change. am True, these horses are roguish. Instead of crossing the river cross. They have been sailing along the coast for 25 years already laughing
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 3 November 2019 15: 52
          +19
          Quote: Observer2014
          Well, what are you worried about? The horses at the crossing do not change.

          For me, you need to shoot such a horse, and then at least on foot ..
          1. Simon
            Simon 3 November 2019 17: 00
            +16
            Well, you don’t remember Stalin! The war ended in 1945, and 4 years later our nuclear bomb was tested. yes
            1. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 4 November 2019 20: 33
              +8
              And after 16 years flew into space. And under the current rulers, for 20 years, and where did they fly?
      3. Stas157
        Stas157 3 November 2019 16: 08
        +38
        I wanted to write: Around thieves and little crooks ... But already there is no desire. And so everything is very clear. Messages about this are regularly, in a continuous stream, from all spheres of state activity. Already tired. Not even outraged. Apathy.
        Who sees, he sees for a long time. And not sighted and deaf, even though the count on the head is comical. Their eyesight and hearing work only exclusively when the central channels on TV are turned on.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 3 November 2019 16: 10
          +20
          Quote: Stas157
          Not even outraged. Apathy.

          I, too, began to catch myself on this thought .. apathy .. some kind of hopelessness .. But the annoyance about thieves at the helm does not go anywhere. How did they get ... the worthless little people who have already provided for themselves and loved ones on the seventh knee do not get drunk with money and do not want to work for the state and citizens ... it would seem ... I’ve robbed ... everything is ... think about the country about the people .. not where there .. how small and worthless ..
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 3 November 2019 16: 20
            +17
            Quote: Svarog
            .nu ​​looted .. everything is .. think already about the country about the people .. not where there .. how small and worthless ..

            In fact, everything is much worse ..
          2. Geo⁣
            Geo⁣ 3 November 2019 20: 09
            +7
            Quote: Svarog
            think already about the country of the people ..

            Yeah, about the people: "a couple of thousand souls each - for a start it would be nice")))
          3. at84432384
            at84432384 4 November 2019 22: 56
            +5
            Well, not everything is so bad, and this is evidenced by the very fact that the Russian "elite" in the last couple of years has simply broken off the chain - it feels the end is near. They are mad with fear and try to snatch as much as possible. The model of financial capitalism has finally exhausted itself and their "bosses" told them about it. First, Putin was entrusted to announce this (at SPIEF), then Macron spoke about the collapse of liberalism. Now also the Managing Director of the IMF. The Bretton Woods system is crumbling before our eyes. A crisis is expected to be much more powerful than in 1929. And when the existing system collapses, the current "elite" will be swept out and replaced by completely different people, competent, responsible and capable of solving problems. Approximately as it was in October 1917. Then the liberals who destroyed everything and everyone in Russia were swept out and completely different people came to power. Intelligent and literate. And that experience will still be useful, but not on the scale of one country, but much wider.
            1. Alex Nevs
              Alex Nevs 8 December 2019 10: 36
              +1
              There would not be to repeat the mistakes of the Social Stagnation of party nomenclature .. When it’s convenient not to change anything and most importantly not to do while living on the laurels of the people.
              1. at84432384
                at84432384 9 December 2019 17: 24
                0
                After the war, Stalin did not manage to carry out a management reform and turn the party exclusively into an ideological organization. Khrushchev did exactly the opposite, which predetermined the fate of the USSR.
        2. parusnik
          parusnik 3 November 2019 16: 26
          +12
          hi Yes, okay, Stas ... the main thing is that there are a lot of sausages, almost all cars have one problem with parking lots ... laughing As one of the authors of Kuzovkov calls, one must look for positive in everything laughing ... And without jokes ... I agree with you .. hi
          1. demo
            demo 3 November 2019 17: 54
            +16
            the main thing is that there are a lot of sausages,
            If I tell you what's in that "sausage". which is a lot, you have a desire to appear to return that one. but from the USSR.
            And that from the use of these "sausages" young people cannot conceive a child - this also needs to be said.
            And even sausage for 100, at least 1000, at least 5000 rubles kg, everywhere the same thing.
            One pleases.
            Those watchdogs who "grabbed". think that having left for the West they will eat safe food, they are mistaken.
            "There" is even worse.
            Since the process was launched 30 years earlier than ours.
            Children live for a year, two, three, but "God did not give children."
            Not God did not, but our native government, headed by Medvedev.
            So the prime minister himself will not even take Miratorg’s products.
            And the wife will not take it.
            And the wife’s brother, who heads Miratorg, will not have his own plasticine
            A very small group of people consumes products that truly correspond to safety.
            And Rosneft is releasing it with Szechenny at the head.
            True, some of these baskets with "sausages" come out sideways.
            1. stone
              stone 3 November 2019 19: 33
              +5
              That is not your truth. There is a real sausage, just as tasty and regular as in the USSR. We have one in Perm. In Kudymkar they do! Again, there is every opportunity to make sausage yourself, at least boiled, at least smoked, at least dried. All bells and whistles sell, whole forums and videos on YouTube. Over only desire
              1. demo
                demo 3 November 2019 20: 27
                +4
                I have not been to Perm for a long time.
                Can not say anything.
                But the meaning is not "tasty", but "safe".
                And at the expense of the correct one I dare to assure you. you can't taste where and what.
                Reputable firms work.
                One hundred million dollars are invested in the development of chemical poison.
                Also, conclusions are given about security.
                But in boys, the percentage of active spermatozoa does not reach 10%, and in girls, ovulation of the egg is ten times less than normal.
                And so - lively and healthy.
                1. stone
                  stone 3 November 2019 20: 35
                  +3
                  Correctly - this means in accordance with the recipe of GOST USSR. Without preservatives and chemicals, or rather with the necessary chemicals, such as nitrite salt. What are reputable firms? IP makes sausage. Honest man entrepreneur. If you don’t believe anyone, make sausage yourself. For example, I’m doing, then you’ll be sure for sure!
                  1. demo
                    demo 3 November 2019 20: 38
                    +3
                    And I would do if I could.
                    Conversation of the deaf with dumb, we get it.
                    GOST USSR - has long sunk into oblivion.
                    And a certain Medvedev said that this year we will completely abandon several tens of thousands of documents from the Soviet period, "which hinder the development of our business."
                    What else to add?
                    1. stone
                      stone 3 November 2019 20: 49
                      +4
                      Learning is never too late! Gost then disappeared, but the recipe remained wink
                      1. Fan-fan
                        Fan-fan 4 November 2019 20: 40
                        +2
                        The recipe remains, but according to these recipes, sausage is made only for the elite.
                    2. Alien From
                      Alien From 4 November 2019 08: 50
                      -6
                      Why are you scratching all under one comb! Take a look for yourself, but on the other hand)))
                    3. Ehanatone
                      Ehanatone 9 November 2019 23: 08
                      +1
                      "And one Medvedev said that this year we will completely abandon several tens of thousands of documents of the Soviet period," which hinder the development of our business. "
                      That’s how he would be a healer and abandon this certain Medvedev, and return the guests, on the contrary!
                      1. demo
                        demo 10 November 2019 06: 40
                        0
                        Yes!!!!! Question !!!!
                        Easier from thousands of GOSTs!
                2. Alex Nevs
                  Alex Nevs 8 December 2019 10: 38
                  0
                  I wrote about it for a long time (poison but tasty). Business above all else nothing else.
              2. Campanella
                Campanella 4 November 2019 16: 42
                -1
                It is strange what they are doing in Perm, for others it is inaccessible.
                So the results of sausage abundance are chemistry and swindle. Yes there are rare exceptions.
                1. Alexander I
                  Alexander I 5 November 2019 08: 39
                  +1
                  Why only in Perm, we also have a sausage of norms in Kostroma, my son in St. Petersburg always says I want sausages at home and asks me to send them smoked if we collect the parcel.
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              3. Campanella
                Campanella 5 November 2019 17: 10
                +2
                And let's do everything sausage, bread, milk, kefir ... after all, what they sell frank g ...
                And where do we go with this fucking capitalism and consumption?
              4. gsev
                gsev 9 November 2019 18: 59
                +1
                Quote: stone
                Over only desire

                Recently set up a dispenser for the production of sausage ingredients. The raw materials are skins and wood, the output is protein. Even if someone has a desire to produce sausage from meat, the market will be crushed by manufacturers of sawdust or experimental skin-sausage. In the late 1990s and early 20000s, thickeners were advertised that turned meat broth into sausages.
          2. NordUral
            NordUral 4 November 2019 21: 29
            +4
            Yes, Alexei, they picked up cars, we are sitting in mortgages and in fear of losing their jobs, apartments and cars. The Anglo-Saxons were not stupid when they first developed all this for themselves, and then they brought it to us. So let’s go nowhere to be cowards.
        3. Dmitry Taravan
          Dmitry Taravan 5 November 2019 14: 08
          0
          Why "kokhobory" .......?
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      5. Arkon
        Arkon 3 November 2019 18: 09
        -10
        for which they don’t undertake, everything is a failure ..


        Well, they took up the military-industrial complex, the nuclear power industry, the North, and the Crimea. So is it "all failed"?
        1. Sunstorm
          Sunstorm 3 November 2019 20: 10
          -13
          Quote: Arkon
          Well, they took up the military-industrial complex, the nuclear power industry, the North, and the Crimea. So is it "all failed"?
          Reply

          do not try to influence the mind and logic, here some have only ideology and fanaticism .... no, not religious, of course ...to know how atheistic fanaticism differs from religious ....
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 3 November 2019 22: 07
            +3
            Quote: Sunstorm
            to know what distinguishes atheistic fanaticism from religious

            Nothing. Any idea, including atheism, is a belief in certain postulates.
            1. Sunstorm
              Sunstorm 6 November 2019 18: 23
              +1
              Quote: Dart2027
              Nothing. Any idea, including atheism, is a belief in certain postulates.

              thanks for the answer, to the rhetorical question ... although it is unlikely that fanatical atheists will hear you
            2. DNS-a42
              DNS-a42 8 November 2019 12: 07
              0
              Nonsense. Religion implies an unconditional belief in higher powers. Atheism is not faith in the absence of gods, but denial unproven faith into mystical entities.
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 8 November 2019 19: 36
                +1
                Quote: DNS-a42
                Atheism is not faith in the absence of gods, but a denial of unproven faith

                AND? The basis is again faith in some postulates.
                1. DNS-a42
                  DNS-a42 8 November 2019 21: 59
                  -1
                  Not faith, but scientific knowledge of the world. Practical objective activity of a person transforming nature.
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 8 November 2019 22: 14
                    +1
                    Quote: DNS-a42
                    Not faith, but scientific knowledge of the world.

                    That is, faith in the omnipotence of science.
                    1. DNS-a42
                      DNS-a42 9 November 2019 07: 56
                      0
                      Once again, not faith, but knowledge gained from cognitive practice. The absence of an object of worship is not the presence of one of the types of the same object.
                      1. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 9 November 2019 11: 26
                        +1
                        Quote: DNS-a42
                        The absence of an object of worship

                        And I wrote about the object of worship?
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        faith in the omnipotence of science
                        That is, at the core again is a cornerstone on which everything is based.
                      2. DNS-a42
                        DNS-a42 9 November 2019 20: 18
                        -2
                        Based on knowledge gained and verified by practical human activities.
                      3. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 9 November 2019 20: 56
                        +1
                        Quote: DNS-a42
                        received and verified by practical activities
                        Received and verified. That's just what Socrates said;
                        "I know that I know nothing"
                        The knowledge of mankind is not even a drop in the ocean, and no one really knows anything about mystical powers.
                      4. Nick
                        Nick 10 November 2019 09: 47
                        -1
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        The knowledge of mankind is not even a drop in the ocean, and no one really knows anything about mystical powers.

                        Read the gospel.
          2. Alien From
            Alien From 4 November 2019 08: 51
            -7
            Clack local crackers a little more, then you'll find out)))))
          3. demo
            demo 10 November 2019 06: 44
            0
            to know how atheistic fanaticism differs from religious ....
            Unconditional faith in that which is not there, as well as a belief in that which is not punishable, is equally irrational.
            And it’s no different from each other.
            And equally dangerous for humanity.
            1. Nick
              Nick 10 November 2019 09: 49
              0
              Quote: demo
              Unconditional faith in that which is not there, as well as a belief in that which is not punishable, is equally irrational.

              Right. One must believe in God, and one must believe in God. The rest is unreasonable and irrational. hi
        2. Campanella
          Campanella 4 November 2019 16: 47
          +8
          And that they raised the nuclear power plant from scratch? The presence of nuclear power plants simply did not allow her to be lost. As for bridges and stadiums, this is certainly a great "merit" for a lot of money!
          1. Arkon
            Arkon 4 November 2019 17: 02
            -4
            Quote: Campanella
            What atomic energy have they raised from scratch?


            But didn’t the USA or France have any backlogs on the atom? However, among the generation of 3+ reactors, neither ERP nor AP1000 shot, they have a lot of shortcomings, a significantly increased cost and zero orders. And there were no problems with money there. wink

            I’m not talking about a low-power floating nuclear power plant and the backlog of BN.
            1. Campanella
              Campanella 5 November 2019 09: 36
              -1
              You want to say that the Soviet scientific and technical backlog is a Russian merit?
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 5 November 2019 09: 43
                -1
                Quote: Campanella
                Is Soviet scientific and technical groundwork a Russian merit?

                No, what are you ... Nanai boys is a merit. Primarily yes
                1. Campanella
                  Campanella 5 November 2019 09: 51
                  -1
                  Russia (modern was meant) implements and not always successfully Soviet NTs hurt. There is no special merit of the modern government in this.
              2. Arkon
                Arkon 5 November 2019 11: 27
                0
                Quote: Campanella
                You want to say that the Soviet scientific and technical backlog is a Russian merit?


                I want to say that modern Russian nuclear science and the nuclear industry were able to use and significantly develop the backlogs of the Soviet period. What, in spite of the same, if not the best, groundwork of the same period, neither the USA nor France could do. And we could. And it was precisely the modern Russian engineers who could.
                1. Campanella
                  Campanella 5 November 2019 17: 01
                  +1
                  I would like more details that modern engineers have developed.
                  We used modern electronics, the materials are understandable. But fundamentally and substantially what did you do?
                  In any case, new, fundamental decisions in the field of nuclear energy slipped past me. Or were they completely gone? Was there an adaptation of the well-studied old to new tasks?
                  1. Arkon
                    Arkon 5 November 2019 18: 27
                    +1
                    Quote: Campanella
                    In any case, new, fundamental decisions in the field of nuclear energy slipped past me. Or were they completely gone? Was there an adaptation of the well-studied old to new tasks?


                    You understand what the matter is, "fundamental" decisions or not - it is not for you and not for me to judge. Well, we have not grown to an adequate assessment. wink
                    It is much more accurate to evaluate the successes of our own country in comparison with the successes of our competitors, with whom we were on equal footing at the time of launch. Therefore, I quote a comparison with France and the USA. Otherwise, it somehow unfairly turns out to be dishonest - we praise our enemies, we defy our own.

                    If you are interested in reading about the 3+ generation (we have VVER-1200), then here is a good article: http://atomicexpert.com/epr_ap1000_reactors
        3. Campanella
          Campanella 5 November 2019 17: 13
          -2
          They took up the military-industrial complex! Do not make me laugh.
          Without fundamental and branch science, we will be in opera in about 20 years ... If the West begins to invest in rearmament.
    3. Greg Miller
      Greg Miller 3 November 2019 18: 01
      +25
      But last year there were 74 billionaires in Russia, and this year there are already 110 ... Based on this, we can conclude that the Russian economy is growing at an unprecedented rate. And if you go to the site "Made with us", then in general you get the impression that Russia is a mega-advanced state and we have no equal in the world. But the masters of Russia were not lucky with the people, these little people do not know how to rejoice at their successes ...
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 4 November 2019 20: 45
        +6
        And why be happy, prices are rising, a pension for 5 years has been taken forward. Or do they want to force us to rejoice?
        1. Campanella
          Campanella 5 November 2019 09: 38
          +2
          We have a great holiday, the day of the unity of the people around billionaires, what is not great joy?
      2. Nick
        Nick 5 November 2019 01: 00
        -6
        Quote: Greg Miller
        But last year in Russia there were 74 billionaires, and this year already 110

        The number of the poor has declined. So it’s your turn. If money is the main thing for you.
        Quote: Greg Miller
        And if you go to the site "Made with us", then in general you get the impression that Russia is a mega-advanced state and we have no equal in the world

        And there is. On the site "Made with us", concrete examples and achievements are shown, and not unproven cries like "putinslil", etc.
        1. Campanella
          Campanella 5 November 2019 09: 40
          +2
          Do not write to Achiney "writer" this government cannot even give gas to the people, and you are made here in Russia!
          1. Nick
            Nick 5 November 2019 11: 21
            -3
            Quote: Campanella
            Do not write to Achiney "writer" this government cannot even give gas to the people, and you are made here in Russia!

            If I am a quoted writer, then you are a demagogue without quotes. Most people have natural gas, some have liquefied propane-butane. Buy it. And give free only in communism. And no other government gave the people gas for free.
            1. Campanella
              Campanella 5 November 2019 16: 54
              -2
              Eat yourself liquefied, wise guy, people need gas in their houses, and not jump to and fro! The gasification rate of Russia is 71% urban and 60% rural.
              The demagogue is you! See life from a car window, through a computer, through corrupt media and TV.
              As for microcircuits, as far as I remember, we cannot even produce large substrates.
              1. Nick
                Nick 5 November 2019 20: 15
                0
                Quote: Campanella
                Eat yourself liquefied, wise guy, people need gas in their houses, and not jump to and fro!

                Or maybe you immediately give the keys to the apartment where the money is, give? Russia is gasified with natural gas in accordance with the state gasification program at a very high rate. If in the RSFSR for seventy-two years of Soviet power, 40 percent of the population was gasified, in Russia in 28 of recent years almost 30 percent of the population was added. The rate of supply of natural gas to the population in today's Russia is almost twice as high as in the Soviet years. Given that in terms of population density, the Russian Federation is located at 180 (8 people per sq. Km.) Place, and in terms of urbanization at 60, otherwise this level of gasification cannot be called a miracle. In the same USA with a population density of 33 people. per sq km the level of gasification of the population is only about 57 percent.
                Conclusion: you are engaged in demagogy. And I rely on facts.
                1. Campanella
                  Campanella 9 November 2019 19: 18
                  -2
                  "In accordance with the gasification program ..." cool pearl propagandist.
                  Your incorrect comparisons of the RSFSR and present-day Russia are utter nonsense. Read Miller's report, the rate of gasification has dropped to 0.5%, but this is not the main thing. And most importantly, the lord, the propagandist, built the highways, but the last mile was left to the crooks or the local administration who have no money. So people are sitting without gas near him.
                  And why are you poking America here, take Europe.
                  1. Nick
                    Nick 10 November 2019 09: 40
                    +2
                    Quote: Campanella
                    Your incorrect comparisons of the RSFSR and present-day Russia are utter nonsense

                    I agree to the account of incorrectness. In the RSFSR gasified cities, which is much easier due to the large concentration of the population. Spent 200 meters of pipe immediately 1000 people gasified. And Miller now got to the village to gasify, which is ten times more difficult. He extended 7 km of pipes and only 100 people gasified.
                    Quote: Campanella
                    Read Miller's report, gasification rate decreased to 0.5%

                    Therefore, it decreased that it is necessary to gasify less and less populated areas, moreover, located at a sufficient distance from each other.
                    Quote: Campanella

                    And why are you poking America here, take Europe.

                    Here the comparison is completely incorrect. Have you been to Europe? At least in Central? There is a continuous building around. Settlements succeed each other, passing one into another. Continuous agglomeration is shorter.
                    And even there is no 100 percentage provision of the population with natural gas. Even the Netherlands, which have their own natural gas, where a population density of about 400 people per square kilometer (compare with Russian 8 people per sq. Km.), Has not reached a 100% supply of natural gas to the population.
                    Develop your analytical skills, you have a clear lack of them.
                    1. Campanella
                      Campanella 11 November 2019 13: 14
                      -1
                      Analytical skills need to be developed on the basis of facts, not propaganda. You have a clear excess of them and they look like hallucinations and mirages.
                      Miller does not do the last mile at all, and the decrease in the rate of gasification, according to him, is connected precisely with her. And there is a mess and lack of funds from local budgets.
            2. Ehanatone
              Ehanatone 9 November 2019 23: 21
              +2
              The cost of carrying gas into the house, the pipes are all brought in and even put in, it remains only to get permission to turn on the faucet:
              in 2017 it was worth 30 thousand.
              in 2018, it’s already 150 thousand, well, like an integrated service, the entire turnkey project from start to finish ...
            3. demo
              demo 10 November 2019 07: 06
              0
              Do you know what it is?
              We Russians rush from one extreme to another.
              We didn’t have enough of 300 types of sausage, jeans and chewing gum, and on the sly, we allowed our state, the USSR, to be scrapped.
              Then the heart is breaking our longing and we are crying about the fact that people don’t pull gas without paying.
              But the thing is different.
              I’ll try to formulate it briefly.
              The people in whose original sense of the word natural resources should be located should receive them from the state at the lowest possible price.
              And the receipt of such preferences should be correlated with the purchasing power of the very population.
              If a burgher in Germany can pay gas, electricity, and other utility bills from his salary without much tension, and our average citizen pays several times more, then the main question is why?
              If gas, oil, coal, timber extracted in Russia at purchasing power parity are not in our favor with "them" and "us"?
              This is the main annoying factor.
              It can and should be the other way around.
              Get, earn. but the country's population should receive this for not predatory prices, but for specially approved prices.
              You cannot take "here" by lowering three skins, but sell "there", protecting the local aborigines from the excitement of a high price.
              I don’t care what will happen to ordinary French, Germans, Italians, Finns and other Norwegians!
              They will freeze, they will starve, they will begin to cut down their counted Christmas trees for stoves!
              I am more concerned about an aunt in Uryupinsk and an uncle in Tobolsk.
              Why don't they have gas or why is it so expensive!

              Here is the main message.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 10 November 2019 07: 17
                -2
                Quote: demo
                A people in whose original sense of the word there should be natural resources ...

                Your thought goes astray.

                Quote: demo
                Here is the main message

                Your main message is populism plus militant illiteracy. Economic and political. Excuse me request
                1. demo
                  demo 10 November 2019 09: 20
                  -1
                  Those. from the threshold you notice the need for my main message - the social security of your own population, due to the profits from the sale of national natural wealth.
                  And where is my populism?
                  Populism is in politics: the tactics of flirting with the broad masses of people, making unreasonable promises in order to gain popularity, for example, in the election campaign.
                  I am not a politician, I am not a functionary of a large party, I do not seek to gain cheap authority on impossible promises.
                  I declare how it should be.
                  And you hang me shortcuts.
                  What for?
                  My militant illiteracy allows me to freely and critically interpret what is accessible and perceived. That they are trying to blow us into the ears.
                  And through them, to the brain.
                  And you, I don’t know what is your level of economic and political horizons, without offering your own, you give a negative assessment to the other.
                  You can say something - tell me.
                  You can not - do not criticize.
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 10 November 2019 09: 31
                    -4
                    Quote: demo
                    from the threshold you notice the need for my main message - the social security of your own population, due to the profits from the sale of national natural wealth

                    In no case. But I, unlike you, am accustomed to count.

                    This money will not be enough for any "social security". We are not Saudi, where there is a lot of oil, but there are few citizens (attention! Not all residents of the SA are citizens of the SA). "Goodies" from the resources there - only and exclusively for citizens.

                    Quote: demo
                    And where is my populism?

                    For example:

                    Quote: demo
                    to sell "there" protecting local aborigines from excitement for a high price

                    The price of a resource upon sale is determined, oddly enough, by the market. And not at all by caring about "European partners". To put it simply, you cannot sell for a hundred rubles what is next sold for a ruble. There are no bad ones to buy request

                    Quote: demo
                    They will freeze, they will starve, they will begin to cut down their counted Christmas trees for stoves

                    There will be no energy sales to Europe - there will be a hefty hole in the budget. It will become problematic to eat here, and you can simply forget about the development of the army, science, healthcare and other things. Not "as now", but at all.

                    Well and so on yes

                    Quote: demo
                    I declare how it should be

                    What do you think should be. I already said that the output is:

                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    populism plus militant illiteracy. Economic and political

                    Quote: demo
                    My militant illiteracy allows me to think quite freely and critically ...

                    ... IMHO - even too freely ... a flight of fantasy, unlimited by reality.

                    Quote: demo
                    And you ... without offering your own, give a negative assessment to another

                    I don’t see what you can offer. Everything seems to be so obvious.

                    Quote: demo
                    You can say something - tell me. You can not - do not criticize

                    I said. And what should I do - I’ll decide for myself, okay? wink
      3. Alexander I
        Alexander I 5 November 2019 08: 49
        +1
        The income gap just kills this, I agree with you, but at one time my father visited the United States and was extremely surprised that all the Chinese consumer goods in the stores there, while there are a lot of idlers (he said - they print their dollars and all the world is bought like Indians for beads), the Soviet mentality of a person made it difficult to understand the "advanced market economy".
    4. Alien From
      Alien From 4 November 2019 08: 06
      -5
      And I think ..... how would I grab more cons ... ...... and then it turns out the pros give out .......) PS: I completely agree with you !!!!!!
    5. sailor roman
      sailor roman 4 November 2019 12: 03
      -1
      I think the cause is two problems:
      The first of these is that most corporations, due to poverty of the population, sell most of their products abroad and therefore are largely controlled by Western companies, and this is a betrayal of national interests, in fact, they are ruining the country, turning it into a colony of developed countries. This fact, of course, is associated with the activities of the liberal elite group, which, in general, denies Russia's right to modernization, followed by its inevitable collapse and absorption by external forces;
      Another problem is purely internal in nature, why, I do not know, the absolute patriots and anti-Westerners are desperately resisting any attempts to hold officials responsible for the results of the work and for theft, perhaps for purely selfish reasons?
      1. Campanella
        Campanella 4 November 2019 16: 53
        +2
        All is correct. The president set the task to integrate into the world community, and that’s what they are doing. And in the world community, the roles have long been described and no one wants to share a common world in them with their well-being. More precisely, the countries of the golden billion are trying to control the world economy for their own purposes, and we are helping them.
    6. Trotil42
      Trotil42 4 November 2019 20: 59
      0
      And I am not even more surprised by the investment of 1.5 trillion rubles in the digitalization of the economy .... but here at least they bought something ... damned adversaries somehow manage without it ... if Medvedev would be to them ...
      1. Campanella
        Campanella 5 November 2019 09: 43
        +1
        And the one who put it to our joy that is trustworthy? Both must be sent!
    7. Nick
      Nick 5 November 2019 00: 44
      -4
      Quote: Greenwood
      For some reason I’m not surprised ...

      The author is wishful thinking. The United States has officially announced the allocation of 30 lards of greenery to fight the "regime" of Putin. It doesn't matter who fights, red whites, liberals, leftists, Trotskyists, communists. Everyone who is useful will be paid. Here is Semin and labors on this path on the "red" theme. She earns her 30 pieces of silver.
      Angstrom factory is now under state control.
      "In 2017, the Zelenograd Research Institute of Molecular Electronics (NIIME) proposed to build a 28 nm chip production plant at Angstrem-T, dismantling the existing production. In 2018, these plans were included in the draft roadmap for the development of the civil microelectronic industry for the period up to 2025 g "
      Source: zelenograd.ru
      And yes, Mr. Semin "forgot" to mention the Russian processors "Elbrus" and "Baikal", which have been successfully produced in Russia using 28 nanometer technologies already since 2015 .. Which are used in our defense industry and in the civilian industry.
      Such is the peculiar selectivity of the memory of the "communist" Semin.
      1. Campanella
        Campanella 5 November 2019 09: 45
        0
        And what did they build?
  2. Campanella
    Campanella 3 November 2019 15: 10
    +12
    Well, where are our pro-government "optimists" with Rosstat figures?)))
    Amazingly effective management and projects! It’s interesting how national projects live? Well, roads are being built poorly, but what else is being done, curious?
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 3 November 2019 15: 14
      +8
      Wait, they will run in and "silently", but viciously nominate ....
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 3 November 2019 16: 28
        +17
        Wait, they will run in and "silently", but viciously nominate ....
        .... Judging by the minuses exposed to you and Campanella, we ran ... laughing
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 3 November 2019 17: 01
          +2
          I, apparently, have a special club of "fans"))) If I write even "good day, everyone", they will run and "nominus" anyway. And judging by the fact that these signs are insignificant, most likely "lieutenants" and foremen)))
          1. parusnik
            parusnik 3 November 2019 17: 10
            +3
            Well, not without it ... hi wink
          2. Alien From
            Alien From 4 November 2019 08: 55
            -4
            I also see my "circle of fans" organized .. and ...... with them !!!!
            1. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 4 November 2019 20: 49
              +4
              These minuses were given to you, the main thing is you can express your point of view, and the minuses are usually put quite stubborn and stubborn.
        2. Ehanatone
          Ehanatone 9 November 2019 23: 26
          +1
          ".... Judging by the disadvantages exposed to you and Campanella, they came running ..." laughing
          I was probably late - everything is already in ++++
    2. smart ass
      smart ass 3 November 2019 15: 44
      +5
      The result is natural, the problem is not in people, the problem is the state’s approach to solving the problem, I would find domestic private enterprises with experience in developing the topic, call the owner and say he likes dough ?! He receives interest-free credit, the absence of taxes and government orders.
      1. Alex Nevs
        Alex Nevs 3 November 2019 16: 42
        0
        Not properly.
      2. at84432384
        at84432384 4 November 2019 23: 21
        +7
        The state was privatized long ago and acts in the interests of private individuals. Golikova, being the Minister of Health, lobbied for the useless drug Arbidol. She was nicknamed "Madame Arbidol". Manturov constantly pushes Western aircraft, coffin the Russian aircraft industry (disinterestedly, of course). Siluanov, with a budget surplus, constantly makes external borrowings at 8% per annum (played, probably). And so wherever you stick. And when Naiullina in 2014, for no reason, for no reason, "collapsed" the ruble by half, which cost the treasury 200 green yards, then even thinking about "state interests" does not work.
  3. ushakorv
    ushakorv 3 November 2019 15: 11
    +19
    From the very beginning it was clear. .Firma with an authorized capital of 10000 rubles and one person. I managed to contribute 100 million for the auction (for work) The most shitty thing is that no one will ever be punished. Having drunk and calm down. Billion here and there. Cho read the money.
  4. Professor
    Professor 3 November 2019 15: 11
    -5
    Bankruptcy does not mean anything. The owners will change and continue to work. Unless of course they want.

    PS
    A $ 70 000 000 power plant for a microelectronics plant? request

    PPP
    Are sanctions good? Still good?
    1. Sars
      Sars 3 November 2019 15: 15
      +10
      Will Dmitry Anatolyevich be replaced by David Aronovich?
    2. Chaldon48
      Chaldon48 3 November 2019 15: 20
      +5
      Government intervention is needed, with the capitalists in Russia you won’t cook porridge. It makes no sense to buy someone else's outdated chips. In general, you need to invest not only money, but also brains, otherwise nothing good will come of it
      1. Alex Nevs
        Alex Nevs 3 November 2019 16: 43
        0
        Here you expressed almost exactly.
      2. Sunstorm
        Sunstorm 3 November 2019 20: 16
        -2
        Quote: Chaldon48
        Government intervention is needed, with the capitalists in Russia you won’t cook porridge. It makes no sense to buy someone else's outdated chips. In general, you need to invest not only money, but also brains, otherwise nothing good will come of it
        Reply

        It just seemed to be an obvious fact .. that the state in the Russian Federation is connected with capital, capitalists ... confirm Svarog? And then it turns out that here it is state intervention ... you wanted to? receive.
        It would be wonderful to buy new and latest technologies, one trouble ... no one is selling new ones to anyone ...
        The state does not have a warehouse of brains, which is sad but a fact, and not only of the Russian Federation, which country do not take it now that the warehouse is either empty or empty. And money, as it were, is a resource subject to inflation (currency fluctuations, etc., etc.), therefore they must be invested or they will turn into candy wrappers ...
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 3 November 2019 20: 20
          -6
          Quote: Sunstorm
          Sunstorm

          And now, if it’s not difficult, say what you wanted to say in the generally available Russian language ... otherwise it is not clear whether it’s a plus or a minus .. request
          1. Sunstorm
            Sunstorm 6 November 2019 18: 27
            0
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            And now, if it’s not difficult, say what you wanted to say in the generally accessible Russian language ... otherwise it is not clear whether it is a plus or a minus.

            Do not worry about nonsense, is not it clear? minus right away, and it’s easier for you and me.
    3. Thrifty
      Thrifty 3 November 2019 16: 14
      +2
      Professor, do the old thing, these are steps back. Russia needs chips for the 36-24 nm process technology, and immediately. ...
      1. Alex Nevs
        Alex Nevs 3 November 2019 16: 53
        +2
        Oh whether. So it comes to the atomic transistor switch. And a fast particle will lend a hand of friendship. But there is a "golden mean". But basically I agree, the process is even less than Zen2 7 nm. But this is not physical yet.
      2. ZAV69
        ZAV69 4 November 2019 19: 25
        +1
        And no one will sell such technology
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 4 November 2019 20: 56
          +2
          But you can order the production of microcircuits in Taiwan or in South Korea, and our managers have no brains for that either. They can only buy, but Trump closed the store for them and everything, sailed.
          1. ZAV69
            ZAV69 5 November 2019 12: 22
            0
            Yes, they ordered something. Baikals in Taiwan are doing. It’s worthless .... There have been no technologies in Russia either or not. 100 nans is enough to cover the need for industrial electronics by 90%, or maybe 100%.
      3. Campanella
        Campanella 5 November 2019 00: 30
        +1
        First of all, a bright head is needed to manage the Russian economy, and now this is a big trouble. Talking heads!
      4. Nick
        Nick 5 November 2019 01: 09
        -1
        Quote: Thrifty
        Russia needs chips for the 36-24 nm process technology, and immediately. ...

        It has long been in mass production.
        For example: https: //www.nasha-strana.info/archives/11879
        1. Alexander I
          Alexander I 5 November 2019 08: 56
          0
          You can’t prove anything they don’t see
          1. Nick
            Nick 5 November 2019 08: 58
            -1
            Quote: AlexanderI
            You can’t prove anything they don’t see

            They have other tasks. hi
        2. ZAV69
          ZAV69 5 November 2019 12: 38
          -1
          Quote: Nick
          It has long been in mass production.

          In a Taiwanese factory. The fact that they are is certainly good, but the technology has never been.
      5. atalef
        atalef 5 November 2019 13: 49
        +1
        Quote: Thrifty
        Professor, do the old thing, these are steps back. Russia needs chips for the 36-24 nm process technology, and immediately. ...

        And who will sell you the equipment?
        You want 36-24 nm, which in general is the same past generation.
        Run it yourself, the bourgeoisie could and you can.
  5. Svetlana
    Svetlana 3 November 2019 15: 14
    +6
    Again, a reference to some video, with the preparation of the viewer that his author, verbs true in the highest instance.
    Everything is much more complicated and not straightforward than a journalist (a blogger or who he is) can make money earning journalism.
    ...
    And bankruptcy, today, means only a change of ownership
    1. Observer2014
      Observer2014 3 November 2019 15: 26
      +3
      Quote: Svetlana
      Again, a reference to some video, with the preparation of the viewer that his author, verbs true in the highest instance.
      Everything is much more complicated and not straightforward than a journalist (a blogger or who he is) can make money earning journalism.
      ...
      And bankruptcy, today, means only a change of ownership

      Yeah. And a mountain of equipment for the production of processors relevant for the mid-zero. Another American. It is probably the eternal. It does not break laughing
      1. Svetlana
        Svetlana 3 November 2019 15: 33
        +12
        You at the beginning, look at what nanometers (technologies) modern CNC machines work on, on which planes and the same Almaty are built, and then chase after nanometers.
        Nanometers are needed only for the production of smartphones and computers processors, which Russia does not seek to produce yet. But it seeks to restore the destroyed machine tool and machine building
        1. Observer2014
          Observer2014 3 November 2019 15: 41
          +3
          Quote: Svetlana
          You at the beginning, look at what nanometers (technologies) modern machines work on, on which aircraft and the same tanks are built, and then chase after nanometers.

          Well, these machines understand that video games do not play. But for now, of course. Probably enough for the near future. It remains only for the small. It is very careful to use American equipment. And to revive their machine tool industry from ashes. Will Russian screwdrivers ever be of decent quality in household stores? laughing I’m silent about another hand-held power tool. I look with such ministers that we won’t live to such happiness.
          1. A man with a capital letter
            A man with a capital letter 3 November 2019 16: 06
            +4
            Whirlwinds like normal screwdrivers
            1. Observer2014
              Observer2014 3 November 2019 16: 14
              +1
              Quote: Man with a capital letter
              Whirlwinds like normal screwdrivers

              laughing
              He died. Plus they are still collected in China wassat laughing That is why I have all the equipment imported. Well, except for scrap and a sledge hammer with a twist of 32nd reinforcement laughing Everything otalnoe No.Only imported. A bunch of manual and different power tools. A welding machine and that imported.
              1. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. 3 November 2019 17: 06
                +2
                Bosch is also assembled in China. I recently bought a DEWALT jigsaw - also made in China. You better say what is NOT going to China.
                1. Alien From
                  Alien From 4 November 2019 09: 11
                  0
                  Why wouldn’t we collect ??? We ask a lot ????
                2. atalef
                  atalef 5 November 2019 13: 52
                  +1
                  Quote: AU Ivanov.
                  Bosch is also assembled in China. I recently bought a DEWALT jigsaw - also made in China. You better say what is NOT going to China.

                  Chips on 8nM.
          2. olegfbi
            olegfbi 3 November 2019 16: 30
            +3
            I’m silent about another hand-held power tool. I look with such ministers that we won’t live to such happiness.

            The production of these screwdrivers, and much more, is technically absolutely possible in Russia! The only question is economic feasibility, and no more.
            But our own production of industrial electronics and machine tools, this is a strategic issue! And it is absolutely necessary for the security of the country!
            1. Campanella
              Campanella 4 November 2019 18: 48
              +2
              Purposefulness is too general a concept. The authorities are clearly not able to determine the country's development strategy, and this is all the trouble, although their stake on the flagship industries (gas, oil, defense, nuclear, space) is understandable, and everything is being pulled up to meet them. Accordingly, there is no payback. Here brains are needed and state participation. And to our "donkeys" just to sell them in "private" hands and the market will decide everything for itself)))
            2. Nick
              Nick 5 November 2019 01: 17
              -3
              Quote: olegfbi
              The production of these screwdrivers, and much more, is technically absolutely possible in Russia! The only question is economic feasibility, and no more.

              In Crimea, they successfully produce and sell at "Fiolent"
        2. olegfbi
          olegfbi 3 November 2019 16: 11
          +15
          You at the beginning, look at what nanometers (technologies) do modern CNC machines work

          I won’t talk about nanometers.
          However, as a person engaged in real production, I can fully confirm your words!
          NOT needed in control systems of machine tools, aircraft, ships, etc. some mega advanced processors! They are not needed from the word at all and they are NOT used even in the "decaying" west ...
          Other tasks and implementation too. Mega modern processors simply increase the price and complicate industrial technology and nothing more!
          The most popular option in the industry is PLC (programmable logic controller). This thing, while non-alternative, controls machines and mechanisms.
          In general, Russia needs the production of industrial electronics, and let China make smartphones.
          Something like this!
          1. Alex Nevs
            Alex Nevs 3 November 2019 16: 44
            -3
            Not properly.
            1. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 4 November 2019 21: 09
              +1
              Of course it’s not right, can this statement be true:
              NOT needed in control systems for machine tools, aircraft, ships, etc. some mega advanced processors!

              People do not understand that the process technology (nanometers) directly affects the power consumption and weight of the equipment, and indirectly the speed. Why do US satellites function much longer than ours? That’s just the reason.
              Nanometers directly affect the number of transistors in a microcircuit, which means more memory, more functionality and capabilities.
              And the artificial intelligence in weapons, which Putin mentioned, is it possible without the most advanced processors?
              1. at84432384
                at84432384 4 November 2019 23: 55
                +5
                I hasten to disappoint you, American satellites do not use electronics with nanometer topological norms. Such electronics cannot withstand radiation. This is a slightly different class of electronics and is not used in military aviation. The main criterion there is reliability. Why do our companions not live so long? All the same, "cuts" and "kickbacks". When the Turks shot down the Su-24, the Novosti showed the "offal" of its recorder ... With the exception of the metal case, it was an artifact of a village Chinese cooperative. And the MO paid about $ 50 for it.
              2. Ehanatone
                Ehanatone 9 November 2019 23: 38
                +1
                "People do not understand that the technological process (nanometers) directly affects the energy consumption and weight of the equipment, and indirectly on the speed. Why do US satellites function much longer than ours? That's exactly why."
                There was such a topic, Amers urgently needed 8086 percent, and it seems that shuttles in their then era could not buy anywhere, because by that time the latter had been discontinued ...
                Something like this ...
          2. stone
            stone 3 November 2019 19: 39
            0
            Whose China? In Israel, the factories for the production of Intel processors are standing. Moreover, they are going to build a new one plus R&D centers. Putin needs to ask Netanyauhu laughing
            1. Campanella
              Campanella 4 November 2019 18: 51
              -1
              Not Nithanyahu Fab's building, so it's useless.
          3. UserGun
            UserGun 4 November 2019 13: 37
            0
            Quote: olegfbi
            The most popular option in the industry is PLC (programmable logic controller). This thing, while non-alternative, controls machines and mechanisms.


            Well, on what basis is the hardware assembled for PLC Fanuc, Mitsubishi? No, you can, of course, vpendyurit there a wonderful and fabulous PLC from Stankin, putting a whole pussy in the closet, tens of times larger than this small "box" of a normal manufacturer))) Only this Frankestein works so poorly and clumsily that even in the fairy tales of the Kisselt describe. And what is spinning in the PLC's brains? Hey, yes, only real time OS))) As a rule, something like Vx Worx))) Do you have a real time OS that can work 24 \ 7 365 days, and not in wet morning dreams with your hands? You don't even know what this is about, and this is just the tip of the iceberg.
        3. Jager
          Jager 3 November 2019 20: 04
          +5
          Show me where this "revival" is taking place?
        4. UserGun
          UserGun 4 November 2019 13: 17
          +1
          Quote: Svetlana
          You at the beginning, look at what nanometers (technologies) do modern CNC machines work


          Why are you contradicting yourself?

          Quote: Svetlana
          Nanometers are needed only for the production of processors of smartphones and computers


          After all, a modern machine is built on the same bricks, which include the same elements as in computers and smartphones.
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 4 November 2019 13: 34
            +1
            Quote: UserGun
            built on the same bricks that include the same elements

            The same, but not quite. The number of calculations necessary for the operation of the machine is much less than those that are done when starting a super-sophisticated toy, and since there is less need, then why excess power.
            1. UserGun
              UserGun 4 November 2019 16: 14
              0
              Does your toy work in hard real time ?! If your toy falls, then nothing bad will happen))) But if a part worth several tens of thousands of rubles at the finish operation is spoiled ?! ))) This is the simplest example and it’s not even worth talking about, for example, the simultaneous recalculation of coordinates when turning a part in 5 or more axes, feedbacks, and the operation of electric automation. Modern centers, as a rule, also include HMI and 3D modeling when calculating and running a processing program. Moreover, everything should not work in greenhouse room conditions.
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 4 November 2019 18: 38
                +1
                Quote: UserGun
                This is the simplest example, and it’s not even worth talking about, for example, the simultaneous recalculation of coordinates when a part is rotated in 5 or more axes, feedbacks, and the operation of electric automation.

                Nevertheless, the calculations there are much easier.
              2. at84432384
                at84432384 5 November 2019 00: 17
                +1
                The most difficult class of tasks is supporting real video. And this requires orders of magnitude more computing power than CNC. Look in the passport of a modern TV, how many millions of colors it can convey ?! And this is all the computing power plus the bandwidth of the I / O channels. A much more serious task than managing a CAD machine. So 30 years ago, CAD was installed on the "Electronics 100/25" and "Electronics-79" computers. A modern smartphone has slightly more computing power ...
      2. Nick
        Nick 5 November 2019 01: 14
        -1
        Quote: Observer2014
        Yeah. And a mountain of equipment for the production of processors relevant to the mid-zero

        So the construction began in the zero, you are our observant ... wassat
        Or do you think that in 2008 it was possible to order equipment for technologies developed in 2018? belay fool request
    2. Karen
      Karen 3 November 2019 16: 16
      +3
      Today there are several Angstroms: everything has been stolen before us (s) - the former were divided among themselves, and all the frames ran away from there long ago ...
  6. knn54
    knn54 3 November 2019 15: 19
    +4
    Leonid Reiman, I will not say anything ...
  7. Loess
    Loess 3 November 2019 15: 20
    -7
    The program of Konstantin Semin tells
    Too much Semin in VO. So much that I even looked at the biography ... Mdyayaya ...
    Licenses were purchased from American companies, production plans related to the creation of microcircuits with 110 and 65 nm parameters - microcircuits that are typical for Intel Pentium III and Intel Pentium IV processors, which had already been discontinued in the West by 2008.
    Well, no one would sell the latest developments and technologies to us anyway, but we have to start with something. And it's better not from scratch. And as for the "hemp" of the 3rd or 4th, I still work with this, and it is quite enough for work. I think that at many production facilities the capacities of "hemp" would be quite enough at the moment. And there and something sensible thread could turn out. Probably the case when a planned economy would not have allowed a useful undertaking to "bend". But it did not grow together.
    But these sanctions may have made the failure of the idea itself more legitimate, because with chips in 110 nm it is impossible to produce competitive electronics today.
    Someone has failed, and someone has reason to gloat over an unsuccessful attempt.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 3 November 2019 15: 49
      0
      Quote: Less
      And as for the "hemp" of the 3rd or 4th, I still work with this, and for its work quite enough... I think that at many production facilities of "hemp" capacities it is quite it would be enough

      If everyone thought like you, we would still live in a cave and bask in the flames of a fire. And all to all quite enough. And it was enough.

      Yesterday a friend was visiting. He hacked his ancient computer on AMD with 2 GB of RAM ... How he roars! My car runs quieter. It brakes terribly.
      I ask him: - Why aren’t you changing the comp ??
      And he: "Yes, I'm fine. Everything suits me."
      And you can't argue ...
      But this is in everyday life. And in industry this is called technical (technological) lag.
      1. vargo
        vargo 3 November 2019 23: 32
        -2
        I agree! For example, you can cite the savage, who will say that he and the club of norms. But when they come to him with a gun, I don’t think that he will be able to agree.
        And here it is not even a matter of weapons, but of everything. Degradation without science can go very quickly, but the saddest thing is the "habit of being backward", so if it is poured with mother's milk, it will be sad for society as a whole.
    2. Good_Anonymous
      Good_Anonymous 3 November 2019 16: 42
      +2
      Quote: Less
      Well, nobody would have sold the latest developments and technologies to us anyway, but we need to start with something. And it's better not from scratch.


      Of course. But even they could not really launch the purchased equipment.

      Quote: Less
      And as for the "hemp" of the 3rd or 4th, I still work with this, and it is quite enough for work.


      3rd and 4th hemp are two big differences. In addition, how many people like you?

      Quote: Less
      I think that at many production facilities the capacities of "hemp" would be quite enough at the moment.


      It remains only to persuade manufacturers of some PLCs to use Russian processors at the level of 15 years ago.
  8. vargo
    vargo 3 November 2019 15: 24
    +9
    In the video, moments are omitted regarding the fact that in Russia this enterprise is by no means the only one engaged in this direction, and so far those enterprises are doing everything right. Slowly but quickly the result here will not work, as some who may think.
    For those who are not familiar with the nuances of technology, a hint is that far from all electronics need 25nm, or lower. Not everything is as simple as it might seem. I’m not very immersed in the nuances and I know some points that I forget to mention both in the video and on the lips.
    Well and yes, the fact that here (in bankruptcy) was swallowed up a lot of money without even thinking about the possible risks is, in my opinion, pure sloppiness, and even intentional money laundering. For the second reason, I think more
    1. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 3 November 2019 16: 57
      +2
      One hundred percent second.
  9. Sergei 23
    Sergei 23 3 November 2019 15: 25
    +4
    Yeah, hooray, don’t yell. (Sad)
  10. Sasha ___
    Sasha ___ 3 November 2019 15: 38
    +3
    “Made with us” probably told what super factory we built and how we will now become leaders in everything. Although at one time all and sundry said that the idea itself is stupid. Well, the main thing is not the result, the main process is cutting
  11. apro
    apro 3 November 2019 15: 45
    +3
    Wow .. and where is the life-giving hand of the market? Effective managers? Capitalism rules or what?
  12. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 3 November 2019 15: 47
    +7
    Well, what else to expect if the Putin regime still relies on a "team of effective managers", where "nano-Chubais" is worth a lot!
  13. capsid
    capsid 3 November 2019 16: 03
    -6
    The Great Russian Dream (fraud, take money, and then not give it back)
    1. Potato
      Potato 3 November 2019 23: 03
      +2
      You still wanted to write: the great gus dream))))
  14. Thrifty
    Thrifty 3 November 2019 16: 11
    +1
    Roizman for microelectronics is like Serdyukov for the Armed Forces of the country-a catastrophe, not to name otherwise.
  15. Seaflame
    Seaflame 3 November 2019 16: 12
    +3
    Where money is not invested in our country, effective management of sawing immediately appears, the enterprise is dumped, and the rating of Forbes magazine is replenished with a good number of dollar multimillionaires from poor Russia ... We need to create such conditions for business so that working and talented people can work and earn money, then there will be a result. All these state programs are not very effective, rather they are "pies" for the enrichment of those close to the authorities!
    1. Alexander Ra
      Alexander Ra 3 November 2019 17: 34
      +4
      Quote: Seaflame
      It is necessary to create such conditions for business ... All these state programs are not very effective

      What conditions for business do not create, its selfish beginning will never be belittled before socially significant. Many state programs are fictitious - fakes, national projects, too, really, these are “pies”.
  16. Proton
    Proton 3 November 2019 16: 13
    +8
    He stole it himself, and set himself an account wassat
  17. 7,62x54
    7,62x54 3 November 2019 16: 32
    +4
    Noble Rospil turned out. After each failed project, the mode forces you to tighten your belts even tighter.
  18. d.olegov44
    d.olegov44 3 November 2019 16: 38
    -1
    The program of Konstantin Semin talks about how pompously the company opened and how quickly it turned out that it was “bankrupt”. The author of the Agitprop program talks about the oddities that were discovered already at the initial stage of the production launch.


    Why does VO listen so much to the boredom of the American resident Mr. Semin who took his family to the United States and gave birth to his child there?




    There are problems, but not American journalists to teach us how to live.
    1. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 3 November 2019 16: 58
      -6
      Or maybe a Cossack? ... Sent. laughing
    2. Dart2027
      Dart2027 3 November 2019 17: 01
      -2
      Quote: d.olegov44
      Why does VO listen so much to the boredom of the American resident Mr. Semin who took his family to the United States and gave birth to his child there?

      Because he shouts "the boss is all gone." How super-sophisticated electronics were replaced is not needed everywhere.
    3. vargo
      vargo 3 November 2019 23: 16
      +4
      He sometimes of course goes too far or does not work out everything, but nevertheless he is very accurate in his approaches usually. And America scolds, and talks about how everything goes to a deplorable result. He does not praise someone, he is rather against capitalism, because he adheres to the ideology of communism in his convictions. And he is right in many thoughts and words, there are almost no doubts. But as for the reasons to scold capitalism, then the Russian theme is much closer to him, but he does not forget to scold the USA either. The rest are nameplates; sometimes they don’t say anything at all about a person.
      1. d.olegov44
        d.olegov44 4 November 2019 00: 30
        -2
        Quote: vargo
        And America scolds, and talks about how everything goes to a deplorable result.

        But real estate there does not sell and for some reason the family does not take away the family from there.
    4. Victorio
      Victorio 4 November 2019 11: 42
      0
      Quote: d.olegov44
      There are problems, but not American journalists to teach us how to live.

      ===
      what's the difference? focuses on sores, already a good judge. and then everyone’s business is how to use it. one - to mock, the other - to be indignant, the third - what to change, do.
  19. Alex Nevs
    Alex Nevs 3 November 2019 17: 02
    +1
    It is time to recall the jerks - The lunar program of mattresses, and the nuclear rush with Lavrenty Palych. But which of these paths has to go to nanometers? That is where the question is.
  20. Alexander Sosnitsky
    Alexander Sosnitsky 3 November 2019 17: 15
    0
    All this regularly happens since Soviet times, when the USSR with the best economy and politics, with all its shortcomings, was deliberately ruined. This is a deliberate hidden sabotage under the slowness and corruption of officials in the context of a shortage of class specialists and natural problems, carried out from a single internal center. I saw all this directly from the center of such events. And people poured vodka. As a result, our personalities were moronic, like microcircuits. It’s the same now. Someone in the center is sitting, bug, bug. Typically USSR-ovsky reception.
  21. Alex 2016
    Alex 2016 3 November 2019 17: 22
    +4
    And why am I not surprised? Some failures and failures. In all areas and in all areas of activity, well, except for "cutting", theft and chatter. Even old technologies cannot master. Can we learn from the Chinese how to get technology and don't give a damn about everyone? And so everything is against us.
  22. Giants
    Giants 3 November 2019 17: 24
    +6
    [i] The then Minister of Communications Leonid Reiman launched the plant in industrial production. [/ i
    He’s a friend of the fairy-tale still according to Peter, and he was a minister. Together loot earned. We are waiting for the ARTELLERIST to award him with his order.
  23. fa2998
    fa2998 3 November 2019 17: 54
    +4
    Quote: Svarog
    Quote: Observer2014
    Well, what are you worried about? The horses at the crossing do not change.

    For me, you need to shoot such a horse, and then at least on foot ..

    Beware, Svarog! For such appeals, they can try on TERRORISM. This "horse" has everything in the law enforcement agencies seized. Twenty years have only strengthened their vertical of power. hi
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 3 November 2019 18: 13
      +2
      Quote: fa2998
      Quote: Svarog
      Quote: Observer2014
      Well, what are you worried about? The horses at the crossing do not change.

      For me, you need to shoot such a horse, and then at least on foot ..

      Beware, Svarog! For such appeals, they can try on TERRORISM. This "horse" has everything in the law enforcement agencies seized. Twenty years have only strengthened their vertical of power. hi

      Yes, by "horse" I do not mean a guarantor, but the system that he created .. where nepotism, theft and impunity reigns .. And a specific person does not matter here .. If he professes the same liberal principles, then nothing can change. A socialist must be in power. hi
  24. Engineer
    Engineer 3 November 2019 18: 03
    +1
    Something I do not remember that the main goal of Angstrom was smartphone chips.
    There were several possible applications. Basic-military. At the same time, the outdated technical process was presented as an advantage - less sensitivity to EM - exposure
  25. Strashila
    Strashila 3 November 2019 18: 03
    +9
    Everything as usual. The main thing is pathos and more fanfare, and quietly rub money. Another confirmation, a private trader in Russia can only steal.
    1. vargo
      vargo 3 November 2019 23: 20
      0
      Simply, I think, after the 90s, when the whole country was accustomed to survival, it was foolish to hope that those who went into business would be the most optimal direction leaders. The logic of business in the management of state. Of course there is property, but not when a thief is placed in a managerial position. Well, after all, there was almost no chance at the top to be without being smeared or simply with crime.
      1. Strashila
        Strashila 4 November 2019 07: 20
        +4
        The term social elevator, when access to the top was from the bottom, then there was the term blat. now nepotism, clannishness, acquaintance. But in those days, they thought about the matter, and they appointed the appointed worker a deputy to the hard worker who was dragging the job. Now the task is not to solve it, but how to get rich in the shortest possible time. As a class, analytics and planning disappeared, as a result, even having money, the example of Prokhorov with his ё-mobile, just another zilch.
  26. Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 3 November 2019 18: 43
    +4
    If you don’t try, then nothing will work out ... And if it doesn’t work out for yourself, you need to invite specialists from abroad, they need to be imported to the Russian Federation, and not illiterate patients with Russophobia, Bandera and Basmachi
  27. akarfoxhound
    akarfoxhound 3 November 2019 18: 45
    +7
    This news could be voiced a year ago at the opening of this sharaga. Because the openers already knew that money was being flushed into the toilet, the enterprise did not immediately go bankrupt, they sawed the loot, went bankrupt, no one was to blame laughing
  28. Shahno
    Shahno 3 November 2019 18: 51
    0
    Quote: Sapsan136
    If you don’t try, then nothing will work out ... And if it doesn’t work out for yourself, you need to invite specialists from abroad, they need to be imported to the Russian Federation, and not illiterate patients with Russophobia, Bandera and Basmachi

    No, you have to try. But I’ll tell you for sure that with such an attitude towards science and the introduction of technologies in production, with such an attitude towards hi-tech in general, nothing will work. No offense, this systematic approach needs to be changed. The military-industrial complex is the military-industrial complex, high-tech is its own cycle ... Do not harness them into one cart.
  29. Gaersul
    Gaersul 3 November 2019 20: 08
    +6
    Welcome all. I think everyone remembers that semiconductors are not only processors? It has already been mentioned that for a number of industrial equipment "nanometers" are not needed, military and special equipment also does not chase after nanometers. I think this plant can produce not only civilian processors, but also microcircuits and assemblies within the framework of import substitution, more precisely, it can. Since they still need to be developed (and there are very few intelligent developers, not only microcircuit engineers, but also radio engineers), take MIREA, for example, there, which year in the specialty of radio engineering in the magistracy, the places are reduced (the Institute of Radio Engineering is cutting radio engineering - bees against honey?). And where to get workers, I already wrote on the forum that a number of specialists are needed for the production of microelectronics: vacuum deposition operators, photolithographs, photomaskers, and they no longer train in these specialties in Russia. They don't cook at all. In the register of specialties of open source software there is a specialty "operator of microelectronic production", but not a single college (technical school) in Russia implements this program. Equipment can be bought, even imported, from the same Koreans, they sell quite calmly without looking back at the United States, but there are no specialists, no workers.
    1. vargo
      vargo 3 November 2019 23: 24
      +2
      As always, we are returning to the fact that business (at the top of the government looks exactly at how business is viewed), these social benefits and other incomplete things like medicine and education are not needed. Well, used to thinking 200% of the profit, they can’t understand why they need long-playing strategies for years. No, from the 90s and other years, used to make a profit here and now, and just what, have time to dump. I understand them, they are used to it, but we don’t need such people there.
    2. at84432384
      at84432384 5 November 2019 00: 42
      +1
      MIET has always prepared and prepares specialists for microelectronics (in Soviet times, this university did not belong to the Ministry of Education, but to the Ministry of Electronic Industry-IEP). Graduates of Moscow State University, Moscow Engineering Physics Institute, and Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology worked at the leading enterprises of the IEP. LSU, other universities, MIET. I did not meet graduates of MIREA in engineering and scientific positions, although I visited almost all enterprises of the Ministry of Economic Development and Trade. Here in Ostankino they worked.
  30. Al Asad
    Al Asad 3 November 2019 20: 44
    +7
    This country will never have a future until the head of state puts his friends at the head of the government, and his godfathers at the head of state corporations and ministries.
    The fish rots from the head....
    1. Nick
      Nick 5 November 2019 01: 26
      -4
      Quote: Al Asad
      This country will never have a future until the head of state puts his friends at the head of the government, and his godfathers at the head of state corporations and ministries.

      Yes, Russia must understand that the future will appear only when your comrades are put at the head of the government ... It sounds like a joke: Why are you living with Putin’s friends without a future? Let’s live with my friends. negative
  31. gridasov
    gridasov 3 November 2019 20: 47
    +2
    Creating your own production of microelectronic components is possible only for your own product and on your own machine base. It is impossible to keep up with world achievements. Only your own and only more progressive.
  32. kitpit
    kitpit 3 November 2019 21: 59
    -1
    Cool laughing but the question is where is the landing ???
    1. Nick
      Nick 5 November 2019 01: 31
      -1
      Quote: kitpit
      Cool laughing but the question is where is the landing ???

      in general, over the 2018 year, the number of corruption cases increased by 2.5%. Their total number was 6100.
      In the 2018 year, the terms received:
      11 heads of large municipalities.
      11 senior regional officials
      13 federal officials and deputies.
  33. Ivan Slavic
    Ivan Slavic 3 November 2019 23: 00
    +2
    The "great" power once again crumpled ...
    1. vargo
      vargo 3 November 2019 23: 26
      -1
      Nothing, the main desire and movement. Not without errors. What is there to be surprised. Like we're the first or only
      1. Ivan Slavic
        Ivan Slavic 3 November 2019 23: 28
        +4
        So far, some mistakes without desire and movement (
        1. vargo
          vargo 3 November 2019 23: 35
          +2
          but where then would the error be if there were no desire and movement? Everything is there, you just need to search on the internet. There is movement and desire. But we have full and all that interferes. The process is not easy, what to do.
    2. Campanella
      Campanella 4 November 2019 19: 12
      0
      It is not the power that has crumpled, but its "elite" part, which is not surprising, they are all pulling in different directions ... their pockets, and their homeland is a source of benefits.
    3. Nick
      Nick 5 November 2019 01: 34
      -3
      Quote: Ivan Slavic
      The "great" power once again crumpled ...

      This is more likely to refer to the fakecomet Semin. And in Russia for a long time they have been producing chips, the same Elbrus and Baikal, using 28 nanometer technology, and they are preparing to produce it using 16 nanometer technologies.
  34. Klingon
    Klingon 4 November 2019 01: 42
    0
    Quote: Clever man
    At that time I had a pentium 3 733 MHz, a modern machine for those times

    at that time I had an atlone K6 1000 MHz and 128 mb of RAM. 40GB screw and Nvidia Riva TNT364 graphics card laughing
    and pre-installed was the moronic Windows Millennium. constantly freezing or blue screen. I demolished it and put Win 98SE))
  35. svp67
    svp67 4 November 2019 05: 30
    +2
    Reading this you understand that the blood shed in the 37th year taught nothing ...
    1. at84432384
      at84432384 5 November 2019 00: 44
      +1
      Correct, in the 38th.
  36. nikvic46
    nikvic46 4 November 2019 06: 36
    0
    The truth must be sought in the middle. I think that there are still achievements of scientists in electronics. But the introduction into production is rather complicated.
    1. at84432384
      at84432384 5 November 2019 00: 46
      +1
      Under Yeltsin, they dispersed all the specialized research institutes. Who will develop?
    2. Nick
      Nick 5 November 2019 01: 44
      -3
      Quote: nikvic46
      The truth must be sought in the middle. I think that there are still achievements of scientists in electronics. But the introduction into production is rather complicated.

      And there are achievements in production already.
      For example:
      Now the Elbrus-8C1 processor is manufactured, manufactured according to the 28nm process technology, and the production of the Elbrus-16C processor, which is to be produced by the 16nm process technology and has a competitive price, is being prepared.
  37. Alien From
    Alien From 4 November 2019 08: 11
    -1
    No Reiman for the country will do anything good !!!!
    1. Alien From
      Alien From 4 November 2019 08: 12
      -2
      Reiman ..... because a man of rain .... ????
  38. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 4 November 2019 09: 28
    +2
    It’s not about sanctions. Yesterday, just the scientist and the head of the enterprise, which produces industrial roughly speaking - computers, but rather - ACS.
    Since in Zelenograd, in addition to Angstrem-T, 4 more enterprises are engaged in chips, I do not know what he was talking about: they bought know how equipment for the production of chips without the necessary procedures: “We are Russian, we will figure it out ourselves, not stupid! three times cheaper. " And for two years they were fools. "And you turn it on - it doesn't work!" - as Zhvanetsky said.
    That scientist-leader said: "If they started this line in Zelenograd, we would take it (admittedly, acceptance testing is tough)
    For industrial computers, it is not super-performance with miniaturization and economy that is important, but reliability. Even 10 years ago, half of my equipment worked on i386 plus Z80 analogues. But they kept guaranteed -50C to + 80C (sealed case under severe operating conditions). The screens were originally the same as those of the Soyuz spacecraft. And the cost of the box until 1998 was 150 thousand rubles at the price of a dollar - 6 rubles. Then, nevertheless, time went on, everything became cheaper and already on Pentium it cost a few million rubles at a price of 30 rubles per dollar (and those old men, having already worked out their 10 years of amortization, continued to plow in the absence of sealing, knee-deep in condensate and dust You look in the footcloth of the next inventory: half - cost - 0. And - it works!
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  39. cosmos-PS
    cosmos-PS 4 November 2019 09: 56
    -1
    Yes, the project was originally designed for money laundering, which was still worth expecting from our government officials. But still they launched the plant and this is important. And declaring bankrupt is not a death sentence. It just seems that they have not yet made money on this project until the end.
    As for nanometers, even though 130, 110 and 65 no longer meet the requirements for the production of chips for modern processors for gadgets and computers, but there are a bunch of other directions. Telecommunication systems, cellular communications, machine tool building, and much more, where 250 nm behind the eyes and these markets are huge, brains are only needed. So a plant, like a plant, can occupy its niche.
    PS: Read the comments, sometimes it’s nonsense, we drop from nanometers to sausages. In comparison !!!
    1. UserGun
      UserGun 4 November 2019 13: 22
      +2
      Quote: cosmos-PS
      Telecommunication systems, cellular communications, machine tool building, and much more, where 250 nm behind the eyes and these markets are huge, brains are only needed.


      And answer us, quickly and decisively, on what base is the Mitsubishi or Fanuc rack kit built? In particular, HMI and PLC itself)))
      1. cosmos-PS
        cosmos-PS 4 November 2019 14: 59
        +2
        And what can I say, the base is different, as its own Japanese, European and American. You can’t argue that with regard to programmable logic, the Americans are ahead. I clarify, this is the element base. But microcontrollers, interface chips, elementary logic, their diversity is simply huge. It’s the strength to overpower and load production.
      2. UserGun
        UserGun 4 November 2019 15: 36
        +2
        Sorry, but you also wrote that:

        Quote: cosmos-PS
        brains only needed


        Well will you have

        Quote: cosmos-PS
        microcontrollers, interface microcircuits, elementary logic


        So what? I dare to answer that the cost of this husk, in the absence of competition will be sky-high, and my mother also does not grieve for marriage. This we have already passed. By the way, on this bankrupt line already, even made an order for China))) And what do you think? The Chinese broke the contract, evil tongues said that the cost and quality did not even suit them. The only thing that went more or less painlessly on it was the manufacture of chips for metro tickets! ))) But this, you must admit, is clogging nails with a microscope.
        1. cosmos-PS
          cosmos-PS 4 November 2019 18: 13
          0
          I agree, but ... the issue of marriage is a matter of improving the culture of production, and the question of price lies in the plane of the tasks of strategic planning and competent marketing.
          But here now in the comments the emphasis is on obsolete equipment, which is certainly true, but if you think about how many countries it has at least that ... Not much. The task now is how to properly load this production, and this is the problem, but not like in this supposedly outdated equipment.
  40. Alex Fox
    Alex Fox 4 November 2019 10: 31
    0
    and the whole joke is that instead of investing in an elbrus which is the most promising in architecture that is now on the processor market, they just started sawing.
  41. AML
    AML 4 November 2019 10: 45
    -3
    Well, that's okay. Uralvagon also bankrupt the same VEB so what? Tanks stopped releasing or wagons? Was a private owner, will become state. And the military and the Z80 in 90% of cases for the eyes.
    1. Good_Anonymous
      Good_Anonymous 4 November 2019 12: 28
      +3
      Quote: AML
      And the military and the Z80 in 90% of cases for the eyes.


      And three-ruler, yeah.
    2. UserGun
      UserGun 4 November 2019 12: 46
      +2
      Actually, it was long ago, under the abbreviation T34BM1))) It was made on a line pulled from the GDR, exactly before the withdrawal of troops, where the release of microprocessor logic Z80, in particular U880, was established. I wonder what and how can now be done on an 8-bit processor ?! No, seriously))) Tell us, homespun, from plow)))
  42. Stalker84
    Stalker84 4 November 2019 12: 37
    +6
    On the site - "Made by us" As it was a bravura post about this enterprise. Somewhere a year later. So, there, in the comments, the former employee described everything colorfully about outdated technologies and, most importantly, about the attitude towards personnel. And it is pigskre, specialists of the highest level worked for 20-25k, less than a Tajik janitor, or a handyman from a construction site. Moreover, for marriage they had them both in the tail and in the mane. And for a marriage in military products and it was possible to sit down. And this is one of the main problems. It is fashionable to build a huge factory. Bring the equipment to the soup. Find those who will work on it. But ... The effective ones at the head will set a salary of three kopecks for the workers, while for themselves and for themselves, in numbers with 6 zeros and on the collapse of the camp, a matter of time. And this is everywhere that cannot but depress. One of the authors of the aforementioned channel, Evgeny Super, sometimes posts another agitation on his page. Recently I posted a piece video, a parody of Bostondenamix from some comedians. And on the basis of a comedy conclusion, I concluded that the robots of Bostondenamix are fake ... That's what they are, propagandists.
  43. steelmaker
    steelmaker 4 November 2019 12: 56
    +1
    The conclusion is that in order for us to create something, we need a different political regime! These are only interested in privatization and AFRICA!
  44. AML
    AML 4 November 2019 13: 12
    0
    Quote: UserGun
    Actually, it was long ago, under the abbreviation T34BM1))) It was made on a line pulled from the GDR, exactly before the withdrawal of troops, where the release of microprocessor logic Z80, in particular U880, was established. I wonder what and how can now be done on an 8-bit processor ?! No, seriously))) Tell us, homespun, from plow)))


    You need to go to some programmer's office doing major projects and see how it is.
    When you penetrate, you will understand that because of one function entire libraries are pulled. And that is why the resource is never enough, and not because 8 bits is not enough. In addition, you can always return to parallel asynchronous computing, according to which the USSR was ahead of the rest. Yes, probably now.
    1. UserGun
      UserGun 4 November 2019 13: 43
      +2
      Oh, really in this

      Quote: AML
      some programming office doing major projects


      still working on the ZX Spectrum ?! ))) laughing laughing laughing
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  46. AML
    AML 4 November 2019 13: 34
    -1
    Quote: Good_Anonymous
    Quote: AML
    And the military and the Z80 in 90% of cases for the eyes.


    And three-ruler, yeah.


    And what is bad with the three-ruler? SVD for accuracy so certainly does.
    1. Good_Anonymous
      Good_Anonymous 4 November 2019 21: 04
      +1
      Quote: AML
      And what is bad with the three-ruler?


      Does not meet modern requirements for small arms, probably (already about 80 years old). Just like the Z80 does not meet the requirements for modern processors (already 30 years old).

      Quote: AML
      SVD for accuracy so surely does


      Tell about it in the profile topic - they will specifically explain to you what you are wrong about.
  47. AML
    AML 4 November 2019 13: 47
    -2
    Quote: UserGun
    Oh, really in this

    Quote: AML
    some programming office doing major projects


    still working on the ZX Spectrum ?! ))) laughing laughing laughing



    Those who want to work. Who does not want to seek excuses.
    1. UserGun
      UserGun 4 November 2019 13: 56
      +3
      Clear laughing laughing laughing There will be no intelligible answers to my questions because yours, in your own words:

      Quote: AML
      mess in my head


      You don’t even know that the same Z80 processor, honestly stolen from pagan Anglo-Saxons, was produced on a stolen line laughing laughing They hung it on him, as they are now hanging on machines assembled from bogey bourgeois components, a nameplate with Russian letters T34VM1))) Everything is as before! ))) You still live in your own world, from the time of King Peas, but you should not transfer your single outlook on everyone. Believe me, this looks very funny. Bye.
  48. AML
    AML 4 November 2019 14: 04
    -3
    Quote: UserGun
    Clear laughing laughing laughing There will be no intelligible answers to my questions because yours, in your own words:

    Quote: AML
    mess in my head


    You don’t even know that the same Z80 processor, honestly stolen from pagan Anglo-Saxons, was produced on a stolen line laughing laughing You still live in your own world, from the time of King Peas, but you should not transfer your single outlook on everyone. Believe me, this looks very funny. Bye.


    And the pentium is honestly stolen from the USSR algorithms. So what?
    Clearly understood. When the arguments end, there is a transition to the individual. Mine to you fi.
    1. UserGun
      UserGun 4 November 2019 14: 20
      +3
      Quote: AML
      And the pentium is honestly stolen from the USSR algorithms. So what?


      Is that how it is? Tyry is a miserable, according to your own words, 8-bit processor, with its miserable algorithms, but at the same time go ahead of the whole planet with 32 bits, which you have been dug? laughing

      Is everything all right with cause and effect? And with a head in general laughing laughing laughing

      Yes, and how is it that with the algorithms that were stolen from us, you still pair the Z80 with everyone ?!
  49. AML
    AML 4 November 2019 14: 37
    -2
    Quote: UserGun

    Blah blah blah

    Is everything all right with cause and effect? And with a head in general laughing laughing laughing

    Yes, and how is it that with the algorithms that were stolen from us, you still pair the Z80 with everyone ?!

    Everything is fine with my connections.
    1) I did not raise the topic Z80
    2) Pentium was after Z80

    To your regret, I do not make diagnoses on the profile picture, so you should visit the specialized institutions. And it is advisable to immediately with things that would not run 2 times.
    1. UserGun
      UserGun 4 November 2019 15: 01
      0
      Quote: AML
      1) I did not raise the topic Z80


      You wouldn’t even have stuttered then))) And there wouldn’t be such an epic fail of yours, which of course does not compare with the fail in this ill-fated epic with Fab35 from Dresden (namely, this line was called AMD laughing ) but how does it resonate with the line from the GDR for the production of Z80)))

      Quote: AML
      2) Pentium was after Z80


      Well, why your fabulous algorithms, "steeped" by the pagan Yankees, you didn’t shmog in the SSR to fasten to the Z80 ?! )))

      The more you wag your tail like a battered dog, the more you look ridiculous.
  50. AML
    AML 4 November 2019 15: 12
    -2
    Quote: UserGun
    Quote: AML
    1) I did not raise the topic Z80


    You wouldn’t even have stuttered then))) And there wouldn’t be such an epic file of yours that, of course, cannot be compared with the file on this unfortunate epic with FAB35 from Dresden (that’s what this AMD line was called laughing ) but how does it resonate with the line from the GDR for the production of Z80)))

    Quote: AML
    2) Pentium was after Z80


    Well, why your fabulous algorithms, "steeped" by the pagan Yankees, you didn’t shmog in the SSR to fasten to the Z80 ?! )))

    The more you wag your tail like a battered dog, the more you look ridiculous.


    Unlike you, I can allow myself to say what I like and what I think is right.

    So what about causal relationships? Dogs beaten by fails wait.

    And turn to psychologists. Based on the abundant number of smiles, they will tell you what emotional harm you inflicted on yourself when you pinched your pussy with a toilet cover. Do not start health. This is the only thing you can’t buy for money.