The project to create domestic microelectronics was a failure

An ambitious project to develop its own microelectronics manufacturing base, according to media reports, was a failure. 10 months after the start of the process for declaring the Angstrem-T plant bankrupt, this decision was made by the Arbitration Court of Russia. Angstrem-T owed its creditor (VEB RF) billions of rubles.

This is a plant for the production of high-precision semiconductors, which was launched in Zelenograd. The then Minister of Communications Leonid Reiman launched the plant into industrial production.

The program of Konstantin Semin talks about how pompously the company opened, and how quickly it turned out that it was “bankrupt”. The author of the Agitprop program talks about the oddities that were discovered already at the initial stage of the production launch. Licenses were purchased from American companies, production plans concerned the creation of microcircuits with 110 and 65 nm parameters - microcircuits that are typical for Intel Pentium III and Intel Pentium IV processors, which had already been discontinued in the West by 2008.

In 2016, the company came under American sanctions. But these sanctions may have made the failure of the idea itself more legitimate, because with chips in 110 nm it is impossible to produce competitive electronics today. The chips of modern smartphones use an order of magnitude smaller “step”.

All the details about the situation with Angstrem-T in the Agitprop video:

Comments

[Greenwood]

For some reason I’m not surprised ...

[210ox]

Who currently needs technology up to thirty years ago?

[Greenwood]

Quote: 210ox

relevant thirty years ago?

The 90-110 nm manufacturing process mentioned in the article is approximately 2003-2006. Intel at this time released Pentium 4 on the cores Northwood / Prescott / Cedar Mill. This is still not thirty years ago. You fell in love with a computer with such a process. Those stoves were still in those days.

[smart ass]

At that time I had a pentium 3 733 MHz, a modern machine for those times

[at84432384]

In 1988, megabits began to be mass-produced at Angstrem, and the Americans could not master it for another two years. Then a 16-bit single-board computer was mass-produced (the Kvant plant, 200 per year), while in the USA there was only the 000th 8th. Nintendo is generally cheap stuff. You don't need to talk about what you have no idea about.

[Alien From]

No reasoning, look around you right now, the answer is obvious and point!

[yehat]

Angstrom created this bent production to ensure the defense industry and government, not the market. Perhaps those technologies were even quite enough.
But a delay of even 5 years already put an end to the meaningfulness of the entire project.
What irresponsibility should be a puff? This is not intentional damage for a lot of money.

[nov_tech.vrn]

modern technologies for the production of processors are prohibited by the Bureau of Industry and Security (BIS) - agencies of the US Department of Commerce for sale in Russia, as far as I remember, the purchased equipment, this is the most modern equipment that we managed to purchase, our engineers took to modernize to a less modern level, and then, as I understand it, it came into effect, our absurd economic system and the plant were brought to bankruptcy, not without reason the plant was declared bankrupt by a decision of the arbitration

[KLV]

Alien, would you go to the Censor. There you will be in the pros and chocolate.

[Greenwood]

For the mid-zero Pentium 3 was not modern. And why should there be a modern 1999 process, they were updated very quickly in those days, plus the gigahertz race was actively going on. Since 2005, Intel launched the first line of dual-core Pentium D / EE CPUs, plus continued production of the latest 4k lines (Prescott / Cedar Mill), to which the third stump was already far away.

[smart ass]

Quake 3 walked alright

[yehat]

there were 2 lines of development - improving the filling of processors and boards and improving the technology for their manufacture. In the first paragraph, almost everything that is still being done was already known in the USSR by 1985. The problem is only in the second, because the life cycle of the technology is very short.
It is extremely difficult to compete in such conditions, and even with a whole bunch of problems in the cost of the loan, overhead and technological blockade.

[Ehanatone]

And more theft!

[Chit]

It’s extremely difficult to compete ... I agree.
Why is it difficult?
Is it because the wrong economic course was chosen at one time? The wrong line?
Maybe at some point it was necessary to focus on such production, and not on drilling holes in the ground for pumping oil and gas?

[Tony]

Quote: Chit

Is it because the wrong economic course was chosen at one time? The wrong line?

Chit! As always, liberoid cry and attempt to teach others illiterate assumptions ... For people like you, under the USSR, we lagged behind the West in microelectronics for about 7 years and not because of oil. Think - why? And after when liberoids came to power in Russia together with you (judging by your statements on VO), we are not at all hopelessly behind in microelectronics. There are hopes to catch up, keeping the military-industrial complex ...

[Chit]

Here is how? All adversity due to liberoids, then?
And what prevented the USSR in its time from keeping up with the damned bourgeois in the field of microelectronics? Before liberoids came to power? Wrong priorities? Lack of time due to the fact that it was necessary to drill the same holes in the ground? For pumping black liquid to the West was much more profitable than developing microelectronics?
Lack of money? Strange ... For all sorts of Angola and Ethiopia, the money was easy.
Stop looking for excuses.
We must honestly admit that at one time in the USSR strategic mistakes were made. Due attention was not paid to progressive industries. Because of this, all the troubles and technological lag.
Which, by the way, continues. Already in our time, we did not assess the prospects for shale oil according to the same scheme, we only giggled at the "soap bubble".
We did not appreciate the advantages of methane engines in astronautics, did not evaluate the advantages of the return stages. We just sometimes do not see beyond our own nose.
And blame everyone around us except ourselves.
Liberals, you see, are to blame .... The fact that at one time genetics and cybernetics were banned.

[nov_tech.vrn]

the analysis will draw 80 level, some stamps, but the economic course proclaimed in the early 90s, and by the way with minor bills going so far, significantly affected the rout of our technological production. Mantras about foreign investment are especially impressive.

[Alexey LK]

If you still click with your beak, you will have to start with 40-year-old technologies ... Because 20-year-olds won't sell ... Eh, the video mentioned the word "soldering iron" ...

[Lycan]

It seems to him - who does not want to vegetate in technology 40 .. 50 or more years ago. Besides - if the technologies of that time are not mastered - with what knowledge can one take on development to the level of modern ones?

[Svarog]

The project to create domestic microelectronics was a failure

Who would have doubted .. Such "talented" individuals are at the helm, for which they do not undertake, everything is a failure .. but they grabbed the power with their teeth.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Svarog

Who would have doubted .. Such "talented" individuals are at the helm, for which they do not undertake, everything is a failure .. but they grabbed the power with their teeth.

They can’t do anything else, it’s a matter of life and death. You can steal a million, a billion, but to steal a whole country ...., this has not happened in the world .....

[Svarog]

Quote: Stroporez

You can steal a million, a billion, but to steal a whole country ...., this has not happened in the world .....

And the most amazing thing is that they have managed to fool the brains of many and many "believers" .. Can it be that people do not see that nothing has been created at all, continuous cartoons, Solovievism and Kisilevism .. and this is in 20 years .. twenty lost years, an entire generation. ...

[Alex Nevs]

And when were Solovyovkiselev experts in electronics? The whole kapMIR put a deny into it (but what a !!!). Here only Scientific potential is needed and GOSresurs. And the bundle "oligarch-entrepreneur" + bank is a utopia, a saw-cut article (read a hole) of the budget. Now technical intelligence will be cheaper, but only now. There will be no reserve for the future.
Twenty years of loss? In electronics, yes. In all the other way around.

[Sunstorm]

do not like "cartoons" see "swan lake" there, after all, everything was better yes (rhetorical question, I'm not going to prove anything to you)
The most surprising thing is the tendency to look for just one culprit out of nothing .. "for the essence of all evil is obvious to everyone ..." I adore this moment of touching unity of the Reds with Whites (Reds are some supporters of Marxism, Leninism ... White are supporters of liberalism, capitalism)

[Dart2027]

Quote: Sunstorm

I adore this moment of touching unity of red and white

No wonder. The main thing is to overthrow this power, and then we will quarrel among ourselves.

[Alien From]

Sunstorm, you just did not notice a flower in the window))) but I agree with you !!! come on minus, tramps .... !!!!!

[Sunstorm]

Quote: Alien From

Sunstorm, you just did not notice a flower in the window))) but I agree with you !!! come on minus, tramps .... !!!!!

what can I say .... flowers are not mine, my cons are all =)

[Sailor]

They see that people are not stupid because they received education back in the USSR, they just can’t do anything, they couldn’t do it at 91 to 96, and they can’t even now!

[Vlad.by]

I didn’t understand - but the plant was cut and thrown into the trash?
Or does it work under a new sign like Nanometer +, cleared of debts?
What are you thinking about?
Bankruptcy for the most part is not the death of an enterprise, but the way of its restructuring.
And besides Angstrom there are enough other manufacturers.
I would like more, yes.
But, give the deadline.

[Fan-fan]

Still asking for 20 years?

[Nick]

Quote: Vlad.by

I didn’t understand - but the plant was cut and thrown into the trash?

It passes under state control. They plan to release electronics using 28 nanometer technology as part of the state program.
Nationalization in a word.

[balunn]

with Chubais at the helm?

[Alien From]

People see everything ....... and at the same time they want to live well, can you show how ours and yours are ????. No offense, boiling .......)

[at84432384]

Outperformed Goebbels.

[Nick]

Quote: at84432384

Outperform Goebbels.

Semin then? I agree.

[Ehanatone]

"but to steal an entire country .... this has never happened in the world."
It seems before our eyes that this is the last 25 years and is happening ...

[Observer2014]

Quote: Svarog

The project to create domestic microelectronics was a failure

Who would have doubted .. Such "talented" individuals are at the helm, for which they do not undertake, everything is a failure .. but they grabbed the power with their teeth.

Well, what are you worried about? The horses at the crossing do not change. True, these horses are roguish. Instead of crossing the river cross. They have been sailing along the coast for 25 years already

[Svarog]

Quote: Observer2014

Well, what are you worried about? The horses at the crossing do not change.

For me, you need to shoot such a horse, and then at least on foot ..

[Simon]

Well, you don’t remember Stalin! The war ended in 1945, and 4 years later our nuclear bomb was tested.

[Fan-fan]

And after 16 years flew into space. And under the current rulers, for 20 years, and where did they fly?

[Stas157]

I wanted to write: Around thieves and little crooks ... But already there is no desire. And so everything is very clear. Messages about this are regularly, in a continuous stream, from all spheres of state activity. Already tired. Not even outraged. Apathy.
Who sees, he sees for a long time. And not sighted and deaf, even though the count on the head is comical. Their eyesight and hearing work only exclusively when the central channels on TV are turned on.

[Svarog]

Quote: Stas157

Not even outraged. Apathy.

I, too, began to catch myself on this thought .. apathy .. some kind of hopelessness .. But the annoyance about thieves at the helm does not go anywhere. How did they get ... the worthless little people who have already provided for themselves and loved ones on the seventh knee do not get drunk with money and do not want to work for the state and citizens ... it would seem ... I’ve robbed ... everything is ... think about the country about the people .. not where there .. how small and worthless ..

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Svarog

.nu ​​looted .. everything is .. think already about the country about the people .. not where there .. how small and worthless ..

In fact, everything is much worse ..

[Geo⁣]

Quote: Svarog

think already about the country of the people ..

Yeah, about the people: "a couple of thousand souls each - for a start it would be nice")))

[at84432384]

Well, not everything is so bad, and this is evidenced by the very fact that the Russian "elite" in the last couple of years has simply broken off the chain - it feels the end is near. They are mad with fear and try to snatch as much as possible. The model of financial capitalism has finally exhausted itself and their "bosses" told them about it. First, Putin was entrusted to announce this (at SPIEF), then Macron spoke about the collapse of liberalism. Now also the Managing Director of the IMF. The Bretton Woods system is crumbling before our eyes. A crisis is expected to be much more powerful than in 1929. And when the existing system collapses, the current "elite" will be swept out and replaced by completely different people, competent, responsible and capable of solving problems. Approximately as it was in October 1917. Then the liberals who destroyed everything and everyone in Russia were swept out and completely different people came to power. Intelligent and literate. And that experience will still be useful, but not on the scale of one country, but much wider.

[Alex Nevs]

There would not be to repeat the mistakes of the Social Stagnation of party nomenclature .. When it’s convenient not to change anything and most importantly not to do while living on the laurels of the people.

[at84432384]

After the war, Stalin did not manage to carry out a management reform and turn the party exclusively into an ideological organization. Khrushchev did exactly the opposite, which predetermined the fate of the USSR.

[parusnik]

Yes, okay, Stas ... the main thing is that there are a lot of sausages, almost all cars have one problem with parking lots ... As one of the authors of Kuzovkov calls, one must look for positive in everything ... And without jokes ... I agree with you ..

[demo]

the main thing is that there are a lot of sausages,
If I tell you what's in that "sausage". which is a lot, you have a desire to appear to return that one. but from the USSR.
And that from the use of these "sausages" young people cannot conceive a child - this also needs to be said.
And even sausage for 100, at least 1000, at least 5000 rubles kg, everywhere the same thing.
One pleases.
Those watchdogs who "grabbed". think that having left for the West they will eat safe food, they are mistaken.
"There" is even worse.
Since the process was launched 30 years earlier than ours.
Children live for a year, two, three, but "God did not give children."
Not God did not, but our native government, headed by Medvedev.
So the prime minister himself will not even take Miratorg’s products.
And the wife will not take it.
And the wife’s brother, who heads Miratorg, will not have his own plasticine
A very small group of people consumes products that truly correspond to safety.
And Rosneft is releasing it with Szechenny at the head.
True, some of these baskets with "sausages" come out sideways.

[stone]

That is not your truth. There is a real sausage, just as tasty and regular as in the USSR. We have one in Perm. In Kudymkar they do! Again, there is every opportunity to make sausage yourself, at least boiled, at least smoked, at least dried. All bells and whistles sell, whole forums and videos on YouTube. Over only desire

[demo]

I have not been to Perm for a long time.
Can not say anything.
But the meaning is not "tasty", but "safe".
And at the expense of the correct one I dare to assure you. you can't taste where and what.
Reputable firms work.
One hundred million dollars are invested in the development of chemical poison.
Also, conclusions are given about security.
But in boys, the percentage of active spermatozoa does not reach 10%, and in girls, ovulation of the egg is ten times less than normal.
And so - lively and healthy.

[stone]

Correctly - this means in accordance with the recipe of GOST USSR. Without preservatives and chemicals, or rather with the necessary chemicals, such as nitrite salt. What are reputable firms? IP makes sausage. Honest man entrepreneur. If you don’t believe anyone, make sausage yourself. For example, I’m doing, then you’ll be sure for sure!

[demo]

And I would do if I could.
Conversation of the deaf with dumb, we get it.
GOST USSR - has long sunk into oblivion.
And a certain Medvedev said that this year we will completely abandon several tens of thousands of documents from the Soviet period, "which hinder the development of our business."
What else to add?

[stone]

Learning is never too late! Gost then disappeared, but the recipe remained

[Fan-fan]

The recipe remains, but according to these recipes, sausage is made only for the elite.

[Alien From]

Why are you scratching all under one comb! Take a look for yourself, but on the other hand)))

[Ehanatone]

"And one Medvedev said that this year we will completely abandon several tens of thousands of documents of the Soviet period," which hinder the development of our business. "
That’s how he would be a healer and abandon this certain Medvedev, and return the guests, on the contrary!

[demo]

Yes!!!!! Question !!!!
Easier from thousands of GOSTs!

[Alex Nevs]

I wrote about it for a long time (poison but tasty). Business above all else nothing else.

[Campanella]

It is strange what they are doing in Perm, for others it is inaccessible.
So the results of sausage abundance are chemistry and swindle. Yes there are rare exceptions.

[Alexander I]

Why only in Perm, we also have a sausage of norms in Kostroma, my son in St. Petersburg always says I want sausages at home and asks me to send them smoked if we collect the parcel.

[Campanella]

And let's do everything sausage, bread, milk, kefir ... after all, what they sell frank g ...
And where do we go with this fucking capitalism and consumption?

[gsev]

Quote: stone

Over only desire

Recently set up a dispenser for the production of sausage ingredients. The raw materials are skins and wood, the output is protein. Even if someone has a desire to produce sausage from meat, the market will be crushed by manufacturers of sawdust or experimental skin-sausage. In the late 1990s and early 20000s, thickeners were advertised that turned meat broth into sausages.

[NordUral]

Yes, Alexei, they picked up cars, we are sitting in mortgages and in fear of losing their jobs, apartments and cars. The Anglo-Saxons were not stupid when they first developed all this for themselves, and then they brought it to us. So let’s go nowhere to be cowards.

[Dmitry Taravan]

Why "kokhobory" .......?

[Arkon]

for which they don’t undertake, everything is a failure ..

Well, they took up the military-industrial complex, the nuclear power industry, the North, and the Crimea. So is it "all failed"?

[Sunstorm]

Quote: Arkon

Well, they took up the military-industrial complex, the nuclear power industry, the North, and the Crimea. So is it "all failed"?
Reply

do not try to influence the mind and logic, here some have only ideology and fanaticism .... no, not religious, of course ...to know how atheistic fanaticism differs from religious ....

[Dart2027]

Quote: Sunstorm

to know what distinguishes atheistic fanaticism from religious

Nothing. Any idea, including atheism, is a belief in certain postulates.

[Sunstorm]

Quote: Dart2027

Nothing. Any idea, including atheism, is a belief in certain postulates.

thanks for the answer, to the rhetorical question ... although it is unlikely that fanatical atheists will hear you

[DNS-a42]

Nonsense. Religion implies an unconditional belief in higher powers. Atheism is not faith in the absence of gods, but denial unproven faith into mystical entities.

[Dart2027]

Quote: DNS-a42

Atheism is not faith in the absence of gods, but a denial of unproven faith

AND? The basis is again faith in some postulates.

[DNS-a42]

Not faith, but scientific knowledge of the world. Practical objective activity of a person transforming nature.

[Dart2027]

Quote: DNS-a42

Not faith, but scientific knowledge of the world.

That is, faith in the omnipotence of science.

[DNS-a42]

Once again, not faith, but knowledge gained from cognitive practice. The absence of an object of worship is not the presence of one of the types of the same object.

[Dart2027]

Quote: DNS-a42

The absence of an object of worship

And I wrote about the object of worship?

Quote: Dart2027

faith in the omnipotence of science

That is, at the core again is a cornerstone on which everything is based.

[DNS-a42]

Based on knowledge gained and verified by practical human activities.

[Dart2027]

Quote: DNS-a42

received and verified by practical activities

Received and verified. That's just what Socrates said;
"I know that I know nothing"
The knowledge of mankind is not even a drop in the ocean, and no one really knows anything about mystical powers.

[Nick]

Quote: Dart2027

The knowledge of mankind is not even a drop in the ocean, and no one really knows anything about mystical powers.

Read the gospel.

[Alien From]

Clack local crackers a little more, then you'll find out)))))

[demo]

to know how atheistic fanaticism differs from religious ....
Unconditional faith in that which is not there, as well as a belief in that which is not punishable, is equally irrational.
And it’s no different from each other.
And equally dangerous for humanity.

[Nick]

Quote: demo

Unconditional faith in that which is not there, as well as a belief in that which is not punishable, is equally irrational.

Right. One must believe in God, and one must believe in God. The rest is unreasonable and irrational.

[Campanella]

And that they raised the nuclear power plant from scratch? The presence of nuclear power plants simply did not allow her to be lost. As for bridges and stadiums, this is certainly a great "merit" for a lot of money!

[Arkon]

Quote: Campanella

What atomic energy have they raised from scratch?

But didn’t the USA or France have any backlogs on the atom? However, among the generation of 3+ reactors, neither ERP nor AP1000 shot, they have a lot of shortcomings, a significantly increased cost and zero orders. And there were no problems with money there.

I’m not talking about a low-power floating nuclear power plant and the backlog of BN.

[Campanella]

You want to say that the Soviet scientific and technical backlog is a Russian merit?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Campanella

Is Soviet scientific and technical groundwork a Russian merit?

No, what are you ... Nanai boys is a merit. Primarily

[Campanella]

Russia (modern was meant) implements and not always successfully Soviet NTs hurt. There is no special merit of the modern government in this.

[Arkon]

Quote: Campanella

You want to say that the Soviet scientific and technical backlog is a Russian merit?

I want to say that modern Russian nuclear science and the nuclear industry were able to use and significantly develop the backlogs of the Soviet period. What, in spite of the same, if not the best, groundwork of the same period, neither the USA nor France could do. And we could. And it was precisely the modern Russian engineers who could.

[Campanella]

I would like more details that modern engineers have developed.
We used modern electronics, the materials are understandable. But fundamentally and substantially what did you do?
In any case, new, fundamental decisions in the field of nuclear energy slipped past me. Or were they completely gone? Was there an adaptation of the well-studied old to new tasks?

[Arkon]

Quote: Campanella

In any case, new, fundamental decisions in the field of nuclear energy slipped past me. Or were they completely gone? Was there an adaptation of the well-studied old to new tasks?

You understand what the matter is, "fundamental" decisions or not - it is not for you and not for me to judge. Well, we have not grown to an adequate assessment.
It is much more accurate to evaluate the successes of our own country in comparison with the successes of our competitors, with whom we were on equal footing at the time of launch. Therefore, I quote a comparison with France and the USA. Otherwise, it somehow unfairly turns out to be dishonest - we praise our enemies, we defy our own.

If you are interested in reading about the 3+ generation (we have VVER-1200), then here is a good article: http://atomicexpert.com/epr_ap1000_reactors

[Campanella]

They took up the military-industrial complex! Do not make me laugh.
Without fundamental and branch science, we will be in opera in about 20 years ... If the West begins to invest in rearmament.

[Greg Miller]

But last year there were 74 billionaires in Russia, and this year there are already 110 ... Based on this, we can conclude that the Russian economy is growing at an unprecedented rate. And if you go to the site "Made with us", then in general you get the impression that Russia is a mega-advanced state and we have no equal in the world. But the masters of Russia were not lucky with the people, these little people do not know how to rejoice at their successes ...

[Fan-fan]

And why be happy, prices are rising, a pension for 5 years has been taken forward. Or do they want to force us to rejoice?

[Campanella]

We have a great holiday, the day of the unity of the people around billionaires, what is not great joy?

[Nick]

Quote: Greg Miller

But last year in Russia there were 74 billionaires, and this year already 110

The number of the poor has declined. So it’s your turn. If money is the main thing for you.

Quote: Greg Miller

And if you go to the site "Made with us", then in general you get the impression that Russia is a mega-advanced state and we have no equal in the world

And there is. On the site "Made with us", concrete examples and achievements are shown, and not unproven cries like "putinslil", etc.

[Campanella]

Do not write to Achiney "writer" this government cannot even give gas to the people, and you are made here in Russia!

[Nick]

Quote: Campanella

Do not write to Achiney "writer" this government cannot even give gas to the people, and you are made here in Russia!

If I am a quoted writer, then you are a demagogue without quotes. Most people have natural gas, some have liquefied propane-butane. Buy it. And give free only in communism. And no other government gave the people gas for free.

[Campanella]

Eat yourself liquefied, wise guy, people need gas in their houses, and not jump to and fro! The gasification rate of Russia is 71% urban and 60% rural.
The demagogue is you! See life from a car window, through a computer, through corrupt media and TV.
As for microcircuits, as far as I remember, we cannot even produce large substrates.

[Nick]

Quote: Campanella

Eat yourself liquefied, wise guy, people need gas in their houses, and not jump to and fro!

Or maybe you immediately give the keys to the apartment where the money is, give? Russia is gasified with natural gas in accordance with the state gasification program at a very high rate. If in the RSFSR for seventy-two years of Soviet power, 40 percent of the population was gasified, in Russia in 28 of recent years almost 30 percent of the population was added. The rate of supply of natural gas to the population in today's Russia is almost twice as high as in the Soviet years. Given that in terms of population density, the Russian Federation is located at 180 (8 people per sq. Km.) Place, and in terms of urbanization at 60, otherwise this level of gasification cannot be called a miracle. In the same USA with a population density of 33 people. per sq km the level of gasification of the population is only about 57 percent.
Conclusion: you are engaged in demagogy. And I rely on facts.

[Campanella]

"In accordance with the gasification program ..." cool pearl propagandist.
Your incorrect comparisons of the RSFSR and present-day Russia are utter nonsense. Read Miller's report, the rate of gasification has dropped to 0.5%, but this is not the main thing. And most importantly, the lord, the propagandist, built the highways, but the last mile was left to the crooks or the local administration who have no money. So people are sitting without gas near him.
And why are you poking America here, take Europe.

[Nick]

Quote: Campanella

Your incorrect comparisons of the RSFSR and present-day Russia are utter nonsense

I agree to the account of incorrectness. In the RSFSR gasified cities, which is much easier due to the large concentration of the population. Spent 200 meters of pipe immediately 1000 people gasified. And Miller now got to the village to gasify, which is ten times more difficult. He extended 7 km of pipes and only 100 people gasified.

Quote: Campanella

Read Miller's report, gasification rate decreased to 0.5%

Therefore, it decreased that it is necessary to gasify less and less populated areas, moreover, located at a sufficient distance from each other.

Quote: Campanella

And why are you poking America here, take Europe.

Here the comparison is completely incorrect. Have you been to Europe? At least in Central? There is a continuous building around. Settlements succeed each other, passing one into another. Continuous agglomeration is shorter.
And even there is no 100 percentage provision of the population with natural gas. Even the Netherlands, which have their own natural gas, where a population density of about 400 people per square kilometer (compare with Russian 8 people per sq. Km.), Has not reached a 100% supply of natural gas to the population.
Develop your analytical skills, you have a clear lack of them.

[Campanella]

Analytical skills need to be developed on the basis of facts, not propaganda. You have a clear excess of them and they look like hallucinations and mirages.
Miller does not do the last mile at all, and the decrease in the rate of gasification, according to him, is connected precisely with her. And there is a mess and lack of funds from local budgets.

[Ehanatone]

The cost of carrying gas into the house, the pipes are all brought in and even put in, it remains only to get permission to turn on the faucet:
in 2017 it was worth 30 thousand.
in 2018, it’s already 150 thousand, well, like an integrated service, the entire turnkey project from start to finish ...

[demo]

Do you know what it is?
We Russians rush from one extreme to another.
We didn’t have enough of 300 types of sausage, jeans and chewing gum, and on the sly, we allowed our state, the USSR, to be scrapped.
Then the heart is breaking our longing and we are crying about the fact that people don’t pull gas without paying.
But the thing is different.
I’ll try to formulate it briefly.
The people in whose original sense of the word natural resources should be located should receive them from the state at the lowest possible price.
And the receipt of such preferences should be correlated with the purchasing power of the very population.
If a burgher in Germany can pay gas, electricity, and other utility bills from his salary without much tension, and our average citizen pays several times more, then the main question is why?
If gas, oil, coal, timber extracted in Russia at purchasing power parity are not in our favor with "them" and "us"?
This is the main annoying factor.
It can and should be the other way around.
Get, earn. but the country's population should receive this for not predatory prices, but for specially approved prices.
You cannot take "here" by lowering three skins, but sell "there", protecting the local aborigines from the excitement of a high price.
I don’t care what will happen to ordinary French, Germans, Italians, Finns and other Norwegians!
They will freeze, they will starve, they will begin to cut down their counted Christmas trees for stoves!
I am more concerned about an aunt in Uryupinsk and an uncle in Tobolsk.
Why don't they have gas or why is it so expensive!

Here is the main message.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: demo

A people in whose original sense of the word there should be natural resources ...

Your thought goes astray.

Quote: demo

Here is the main message

Your main message is populism plus militant illiteracy. Economic and political. Excuse me

[demo]

Those. from the threshold you notice the need for my main message - the social security of your own population, due to the profits from the sale of national natural wealth.
And where is my populism?
Populism is in politics: the tactics of flirting with the broad masses of people, making unreasonable promises in order to gain popularity, for example, in the election campaign.
I am not a politician, I am not a functionary of a large party, I do not seek to gain cheap authority on impossible promises.
I declare how it should be.
And you hang me shortcuts.
What for?
My militant illiteracy allows me to freely and critically interpret what is accessible and perceived. That they are trying to blow us into the ears.
And through them, to the brain.
And you, I don’t know what is your level of economic and political horizons, without offering your own, you give a negative assessment to the other.
You can say something - tell me.
You can not - do not criticize.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: demo

from the threshold you notice the need for my main message - the social security of your own population, due to the profits from the sale of national natural wealth

In no case. But I, unlike you, am accustomed to count.

This money will not be enough for any "social security". We are not Saudi, where there is a lot of oil, but there are few citizens (attention! Not all residents of the SA are citizens of the SA). "Goodies" from the resources there - only and exclusively for citizens.

Quote: demo

And where is my populism?

For example:

Quote: demo

to sell "there" protecting local aborigines from excitement for a high price

The price of a resource upon sale is determined, oddly enough, by the market. And not at all by caring about "European partners". To put it simply, you cannot sell for a hundred rubles what is next sold for a ruble. There are no bad ones to buy

Quote: demo

They will freeze, they will starve, they will begin to cut down their counted Christmas trees for stoves

There will be no energy sales to Europe - there will be a hefty hole in the budget. It will become problematic to eat here, and you can simply forget about the development of the army, science, healthcare and other things. Not "as now", but at all.

Well and so on

Quote: demo

I declare how it should be

What do you think should be. I already said that the output is:

Quote: Golovan Jack

populism plus militant illiteracy. Economic and political

Quote: demo

My militant illiteracy allows me to think quite freely and critically ...

... IMHO - even too freely ... a flight of fantasy, unlimited by reality.

Quote: demo

And you ... without offering your own, give a negative assessment to another

I don’t see what you can offer. Everything seems to be so obvious.

Quote: demo

You can say something - tell me. You can not - do not criticize

I said. And what should I do - I’ll decide for myself, okay?

[Alexander I]

The income gap just kills this, I agree with you, but at one time my father visited the United States and was extremely surprised that all the Chinese consumer goods in the stores there, while there are a lot of idlers (he said - they print their dollars and all the world is bought like Indians for beads), the Soviet mentality of a person made it difficult to understand the "advanced market economy".

[Alien From]

And I think ..... how would I grab more cons ... ...... and then it turns out the pros give out .......) PS: I completely agree with you !!!!!!

[sailor roman]

I think the cause is two problems:
The first of these is that most corporations, due to poverty of the population, sell most of their products abroad and therefore are largely controlled by Western companies, and this is a betrayal of national interests, in fact, they are ruining the country, turning it into a colony of developed countries. This fact, of course, is associated with the activities of the liberal elite group, which, in general, denies Russia's right to modernization, followed by its inevitable collapse and absorption by external forces;
Another problem is purely internal in nature, why, I do not know, the absolute patriots and anti-Westerners are desperately resisting any attempts to hold officials responsible for the results of the work and for theft, perhaps for purely selfish reasons?

[Campanella]

All is correct. The president set the task to integrate into the world community, and that’s what they are doing. And in the world community, the roles have long been described and no one wants to share a common world in them with their well-being. More precisely, the countries of the golden billion are trying to control the world economy for their own purposes, and we are helping them.

[Trotil42]

And I am not even more surprised by the investment of 1.5 trillion rubles in the digitalization of the economy .... but here at least they bought something ... damned adversaries somehow manage without it ... if Medvedev would be to them ...

[Campanella]

And the one who put it to our joy that is trustworthy? Both must be sent!

[Nick]

Quote: Greenwood

For some reason I’m not surprised ...

The author is wishful thinking. The United States has officially announced the allocation of 30 lards of greenery to fight the "regime" of Putin. It doesn't matter who fights, red whites, liberals, leftists, Trotskyists, communists. Everyone who is useful will be paid. Here is Semin and labors on this path on the "red" theme. She earns her 30 pieces of silver.
Angstrom factory is now under state control.
"In 2017, the Zelenograd Research Institute of Molecular Electronics (NIIME) proposed to build a 28 nm chip production plant at Angstrem-T, dismantling the existing production. In 2018, these plans were included in the draft roadmap for the development of the civil microelectronic industry for the period up to 2025 g "
Source: zelenograd.ru
And yes, Mr. Semin "forgot" to mention the Russian processors "Elbrus" and "Baikal", which have been successfully produced in Russia using 28 nanometer technologies already since 2015 .. Which are used in our defense industry and in the civilian industry.
Such is the peculiar selectivity of the memory of the "communist" Semin.

[Campanella]

And what did they build?

[Campanella]

Well, where are our pro-government "optimists" with Rosstat figures?)))
Amazingly effective management and projects! It’s interesting how national projects live? Well, roads are being built poorly, but what else is being done, curious?

[The leader of the Redskins]

Wait, they will run in and "silently", but viciously nominate ....

[parusnik]

Wait, they will run in and "silently", but viciously nominate ....

.... Judging by the minuses exposed to you and Campanella, we ran ...

[The leader of the Redskins]

I, apparently, have a special club of "fans"))) If I write even "good day, everyone", they will run and "nominus" anyway. And judging by the fact that these signs are insignificant, most likely "lieutenants" and foremen)))

[parusnik]

Well, not without it ...

[Alien From]

I also see my "circle of fans" organized .. and ...... with them !!!!

[Fan-fan]

These minuses were given to you, the main thing is you can express your point of view, and the minuses are usually put quite stubborn and stubborn.

[Ehanatone]

".... Judging by the disadvantages exposed to you and Campanella, they came running ..." laughing
I was probably late - everything is already in ++++

[smart ass]

The result is natural, the problem is not in people, the problem is the state’s approach to solving the problem, I would find domestic private enterprises with experience in developing the topic, call the owner and say he likes dough ?! He receives interest-free credit, the absence of taxes and government orders.

[Alex Nevs]

Not properly.

[at84432384]

The state was privatized long ago and acts in the interests of private individuals. Golikova, being the Minister of Health, lobbied for the useless drug Arbidol. She was nicknamed "Madame Arbidol". Manturov constantly pushes Western aircraft, coffin the Russian aircraft industry (disinterestedly, of course). Siluanov, with a budget surplus, constantly makes external borrowings at 8% per annum (played, probably). And so wherever you stick. And when Naiullina in 2014, for no reason, for no reason, "collapsed" the ruble by half, which cost the treasury 200 green yards, then even thinking about "state interests" does not work.

[ushakorv]

From the very beginning it was clear. .Firma with an authorized capital of 10000 rubles and one person. I managed to contribute 100 million for the auction (for work) The most shitty thing is that no one will ever be punished. Having drunk and calm down. Billion here and there. Cho read the money.

[Professor]

Bankruptcy does not mean anything. The owners will change and continue to work. Unless of course they want.

PS
A $ 70 000 000 power plant for a microelectronics plant?

PPP
Are sanctions good? Still good?

[Sars]

Will Dmitry Anatolyevich be replaced by David Aronovich?

[Chaldon48]

Government intervention is needed, with the capitalists in Russia you won’t cook porridge. It makes no sense to buy someone else's outdated chips. In general, you need to invest not only money, but also brains, otherwise nothing good will come of it

[Alex Nevs]

Here you expressed almost exactly.

[Sunstorm]

Quote: Chaldon48

Government intervention is needed, with the capitalists in Russia you won’t cook porridge. It makes no sense to buy someone else's outdated chips. In general, you need to invest not only money, but also brains, otherwise nothing good will come of it
Reply

It just seemed to be an obvious fact .. that the state in the Russian Federation is connected with capital, capitalists ... confirm Svarog? And then it turns out that here it is state intervention ... you wanted to? receive.
It would be wonderful to buy new and latest technologies, one trouble ... no one is selling new ones to anyone ...
The state does not have a warehouse of brains, which is sad but a fact, and not only of the Russian Federation, which country do not take it now that the warehouse is either empty or empty. And money, as it were, is a resource subject to inflation (currency fluctuations, etc., etc.), therefore they must be invested or they will turn into candy wrappers ...

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Sunstorm

Sunstorm

And now, if it’s not difficult, say what you wanted to say in the generally available Russian language ... otherwise it is not clear whether it’s a plus or a minus ..

[Sunstorm]

Quote: Golovan Jack

And now, if it’s not difficult, say what you wanted to say in the generally accessible Russian language ... otherwise it is not clear whether it is a plus or a minus.

Do not worry about nonsense, is not it clear? minus right away, and it’s easier for you and me.

[Thrifty]

Professor, do the old thing, these are steps back. Russia needs chips for the 36-24 nm process technology, and immediately. ...

[Alex Nevs]

Oh whether. So it comes to the atomic transistor switch. And a fast particle will lend a hand of friendship. But there is a "golden mean". But basically I agree, the process is even less than Zen2 7 nm. But this is not physical yet.

[ZAV69]

And no one will sell such technology

[Fan-fan]

But you can order the production of microcircuits in Taiwan or in South Korea, and our managers have no brains for that either. They can only buy, but Trump closed the store for them and everything, sailed.

[ZAV69]

Yes, they ordered something. Baikals in Taiwan are doing. It’s worthless .... There have been no technologies in Russia either or not. 100 nans is enough to cover the need for industrial electronics by 90%, or maybe 100%.

[Campanella]

First of all, a bright head is needed to manage the Russian economy, and now this is a big trouble. Talking heads!

[Nick]

Quote: Thrifty

Russia needs chips for the 36-24 nm process technology, and immediately. ...

It has long been in mass production.
For example: https: //www.nasha-strana.info/archives/11879

[Alexander I]

You can’t prove anything they don’t see

[Nick]

Quote: AlexanderI

You can’t prove anything they don’t see

They have other tasks.

[ZAV69]

Quote: Nick

It has long been in mass production.

In a Taiwanese factory. The fact that they are is certainly good, but the technology has never been.

[atalef]

Quote: Thrifty

Professor, do the old thing, these are steps back. Russia needs chips for the 36-24 nm process technology, and immediately. ...

And who will sell you the equipment?
You want 36-24 nm, which in general is the same past generation.
Run it yourself, the bourgeoisie could and you can.

[Svetlana]

Again, a reference to some video, with the preparation of the viewer that his author, verbs true in the highest instance.
Everything is much more complicated and not straightforward than a journalist (a blogger or who he is) can make money earning journalism.
...
And bankruptcy, today, means only a change of ownership

[Observer2014]

Quote: Svetlana

Again, a reference to some video, with the preparation of the viewer that his author, verbs true in the highest instance.
Everything is much more complicated and not straightforward than a journalist (a blogger or who he is) can make money earning journalism.
...
And bankruptcy, today, means only a change of ownership

Yeah. And a mountain of equipment for the production of processors relevant for the mid-zero. Another American. It is probably the eternal. It does not break

[Svetlana]

You at the beginning, look at what nanometers (technologies) modern CNC machines work on, on which planes and the same Almaty are built, and then chase after nanometers.
Nanometers are needed only for the production of smartphones and computers processors, which Russia does not seek to produce yet. But it seeks to restore the destroyed machine tool and machine building

[Observer2014]

Quote: Svetlana

You at the beginning, look at what nanometers (technologies) modern machines work on, on which aircraft and the same tanks are built, and then chase after nanometers.

Well, these machines understand that video games do not play. But for now, of course. Probably enough for the near future. It remains only for the small. It is very careful to use American equipment. And to revive their machine tool industry from ashes. Will Russian screwdrivers ever be of decent quality in household stores? I’m silent about another hand-held power tool. I look with such ministers that we won’t live to such happiness.

[A man with a capital letter]

Whirlwinds like normal screwdrivers

[Observer2014]

Quote: Man with a capital letter

Whirlwinds like normal screwdrivers

He died. Plus they are still collected in China That is why I have all the equipment imported. Well, except for scrap and a sledge hammer with a twist of 32nd reinforcement Everything otalnoe Only imported. A bunch of manual and different power tools. A welding machine and that imported.

[AU Ivanov.]

Bosch is also assembled in China. I recently bought a DEWALT jigsaw - also made in China. You better say what is NOT going to China.

[Alien From]

Why wouldn’t we collect ??? We ask a lot ????

[atalef]

Quote: AU Ivanov.

Bosch is also assembled in China. I recently bought a DEWALT jigsaw - also made in China. You better say what is NOT going to China.

Chips on 8nM.

[olegfbi]

I’m silent about another hand-held power tool. I look with such ministers that we won’t live to such happiness.

The production of these screwdrivers, and much more, is technically absolutely possible in Russia! The only question is economic feasibility, and no more.
But our own production of industrial electronics and machine tools, this is a strategic issue! And it is absolutely necessary for the security of the country!

[Campanella]

Purposefulness is too general a concept. The authorities are clearly not able to determine the country's development strategy, and this is all the trouble, although their stake on the flagship industries (gas, oil, defense, nuclear, space) is understandable, and everything is being pulled up to meet them. Accordingly, there is no payback. Here brains are needed and state participation. And to our "donkeys" just to sell them in "private" hands and the market will decide everything for itself)))

[Nick]

Quote: olegfbi

The production of these screwdrivers, and much more, is technically absolutely possible in Russia! The only question is economic feasibility, and no more.

In Crimea, they successfully produce and sell at "Fiolent"

[olegfbi]

You at the beginning, look at what nanometers (technologies) do modern CNC machines work

I won’t talk about nanometers.
However, as a person engaged in real production, I can fully confirm your words!
NOT needed in control systems of machine tools, aircraft, ships, etc. some mega advanced processors! They are not needed from the word at all and they are NOT used even in the "decaying" west ...
Other tasks and implementation too. Mega modern processors simply increase the price and complicate industrial technology and nothing more!
The most popular option in the industry is PLC (programmable logic controller). This thing, while non-alternative, controls machines and mechanisms.
In general, Russia needs the production of industrial electronics, and let China make smartphones.
Something like this!

[Alex Nevs]

Not properly.

[Fan-fan]

Of course it’s not right, can this statement be true:

NOT needed in control systems for machine tools, aircraft, ships, etc. some mega advanced processors!

People do not understand that the process technology (nanometers) directly affects the power consumption and weight of the equipment, and indirectly the speed. Why do US satellites function much longer than ours? That’s just the reason.
Nanometers directly affect the number of transistors in a microcircuit, which means more memory, more functionality and capabilities.
And the artificial intelligence in weapons, which Putin mentioned, is it possible without the most advanced processors?

[at84432384]

I hasten to disappoint you, American satellites do not use electronics with nanometer topological norms. Such electronics cannot withstand radiation. This is a slightly different class of electronics and is not used in military aviation. The main criterion there is reliability. Why do our companions not live so long? All the same, "cuts" and "kickbacks". When the Turks shot down the Su-24, the Novosti showed the "offal" of its recorder ... With the exception of the metal case, it was an artifact of a village Chinese cooperative. And the MO paid about $ 50 for it.

[Ehanatone]

"People do not understand that the technological process (nanometers) directly affects the energy consumption and weight of the equipment, and indirectly on the speed. Why do US satellites function much longer than ours? That's exactly why."
There was such a topic, Amers urgently needed 8086 percent, and it seems that shuttles in their then era could not buy anywhere, because by that time the latter had been discontinued ...
Something like this ...

[stone]

Whose China? In Israel, the factories for the production of Intel processors are standing. Moreover, they are going to build a new one plus R&D centers. Putin needs to ask Netanyauhu

[Campanella]

Not Nithanyahu Fab's building, so it's useless.

[UserGun]

Quote: olegfbi

The most popular option in the industry is PLC (programmable logic controller). This thing, while non-alternative, controls machines and mechanisms.

Well, on what basis is the hardware assembled for PLC Fanuc, Mitsubishi? No, you can, of course, vpendyurit there a wonderful and fabulous PLC from Stankin, putting a whole pussy in the closet, tens of times larger than this small "box" of a normal manufacturer))) Only this Frankestein works so poorly and clumsily that even in the fairy tales of the Kisselt describe. And what is spinning in the PLC's brains? Hey, yes, only real time OS))) As a rule, something like Vx Worx))) Do you have a real time OS that can work 24 \ 7 365 days, and not in wet morning dreams with your hands? You don't even know what this is about, and this is just the tip of the iceberg.

[Jager]

Show me where this "revival" is taking place?

[UserGun]

Quote: Svetlana

You at the beginning, look at what nanometers (technologies) do modern CNC machines work

Why are you contradicting yourself?

Quote: Svetlana

Nanometers are needed only for the production of processors of smartphones and computers

After all, a modern machine is built on the same bricks, which include the same elements as in computers and smartphones.

[Dart2027]

Quote: UserGun

built on the same bricks that include the same elements

The same, but not quite. The number of calculations necessary for the operation of the machine is much less than those that are done when starting a super-sophisticated toy, and since there is less need, then why excess power.

[UserGun]

Does your toy work in hard real time ?! If your toy falls, then nothing bad will happen))) But if a part worth several tens of thousands of rubles at the finish operation is spoiled ?! ))) This is the simplest example and it’s not even worth talking about, for example, the simultaneous recalculation of coordinates when turning a part in 5 or more axes, feedbacks, and the operation of electric automation. Modern centers, as a rule, also include HMI and 3D modeling when calculating and running a processing program. Moreover, everything should not work in greenhouse room conditions.

[Dart2027]

Quote: UserGun

This is the simplest example, and it’s not even worth talking about, for example, the simultaneous recalculation of coordinates when a part is rotated in 5 or more axes, feedbacks, and the operation of electric automation.

Nevertheless, the calculations there are much easier.

[at84432384]

The most difficult class of tasks is supporting real video. And this requires orders of magnitude more computing power than CNC. Look in the passport of a modern TV, how many millions of colors it can convey ?! And this is all the computing power plus the bandwidth of the I / O channels. A much more serious task than managing a CAD machine. So 30 years ago, CAD was installed on the "Electronics 100/25" and "Electronics-79" computers. A modern smartphone has slightly more computing power ...

[Nick]

Quote: Observer2014

Yeah. And a mountain of equipment for the production of processors relevant to the mid-zero

So the construction began in the zero, you are our observant ...
Or do you think that in 2008 it was possible to order equipment for technologies developed in 2018?

[Karen]

Today there are several Angstroms: everything has been stolen before us (s) - the former were divided among themselves, and all the frames ran away from there long ago ...

[knn54]

Leonid Reiman, I will not say anything ...

[Loess]

The program of Konstantin Semin tells

Too much Semin in VO. So much that I even looked at the biography ... Mdyayaya ...

Licenses were purchased from American companies, production plans related to the creation of microcircuits with 110 and 65 nm parameters - microcircuits that are typical for Intel Pentium III and Intel Pentium IV processors, which had already been discontinued in the West by 2008.

Well, no one would sell the latest developments and technologies to us anyway, but we have to start with something. And it's better not from scratch. And as for the "hemp" of the 3rd or 4th, I still work with this, and it is quite enough for work. I think that at many production facilities the capacities of "hemp" would be quite enough at the moment. And there and something sensible thread could turn out. Probably the case when a planned economy would not have allowed a useful undertaking to "bend". But it did not grow together.

But these sanctions may have made the failure of the idea itself more legitimate, because with chips in 110 nm it is impossible to produce competitive electronics today.

Someone has failed, and someone has reason to gloat over an unsuccessful attempt.

[Stas157]

Quote: Less

And as for the "hemp" of the 3rd or 4th, I still work with this, and for its work quite enough... I think that at many production facilities of "hemp" capacities it is quite it would be enough

If everyone thought like you, we would still live in a cave and bask in the flames of a fire. And all to all quite enough. And it was enough.

Yesterday a friend was visiting. He hacked his ancient computer on AMD with 2 GB of RAM ... How he roars! My car runs quieter. It brakes terribly.
I ask him: - Why aren’t you changing the comp ??
And he: "Yes, I'm fine. Everything suits me."
And you can't argue ...
But this is in everyday life. And in industry this is called technical (technological) lag.

[vargo]

I agree! For example, you can cite the savage, who will say that he and the club of norms. But when they come to him with a gun, I don’t think that he will be able to agree.
And here it is not even a matter of weapons, but of everything. Degradation without science can go very quickly, but the saddest thing is the "habit of being backward", so if it is poured with mother's milk, it will be sad for society as a whole.

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: Less

Well, nobody would have sold the latest developments and technologies to us anyway, but we need to start with something. And it's better not from scratch.

Of course. But even they could not really launch the purchased equipment.

Quote: Less

And as for the "hemp" of the 3rd or 4th, I still work with this, and it is quite enough for work.

3rd and 4th hemp are two big differences. In addition, how many people like you?

Quote: Less

I think that at many production facilities the capacities of "hemp" would be quite enough at the moment.

It remains only to persuade manufacturers of some PLCs to use Russian processors at the level of 15 years ago.

[vargo]

In the video, moments are omitted regarding the fact that in Russia this enterprise is by no means the only one engaged in this direction, and so far those enterprises are doing everything right. Slowly but quickly the result here will not work, as some who may think.
For those who are not familiar with the nuances of technology, a hint is that far from all electronics need 25nm, or lower. Not everything is as simple as it might seem. I’m not very immersed in the nuances and I know some points that I forget to mention both in the video and on the lips.
Well and yes, the fact that here (in bankruptcy) was swallowed up a lot of money without even thinking about the possible risks is, in my opinion, pure sloppiness, and even intentional money laundering. For the second reason, I think more

[Alex Nevs]

One hundred percent second.

[Sergei 23]

Yeah, hooray, don’t yell. (Sad)

[Sasha ___]

“Made with us” probably told what super factory we built and how we will now become leaders in everything. Although at one time all and sundry said that the idea itself is stupid. Well, the main thing is not the result, the main process is cutting

[apro]

Wow .. and where is the life-giving hand of the market? Effective managers? Capitalism rules or what?

[Nikolaevich I]

Well, what else to expect if the Putin regime still relies on a "team of effective managers", where "nano-Chubais" is worth a lot!

[capsid]

The Great Russian Dream (fraud, take money, and then not give it back)

[Potato]

You still wanted to write: the great gus dream))))

[Thrifty]

Roizman for microelectronics is like Serdyukov for the Armed Forces of the country-a catastrophe, not to name otherwise.

[Seaflame]

Where money is not invested in our country, effective management of sawing immediately appears, the enterprise is dumped, and the rating of Forbes magazine is replenished with a good number of dollar multimillionaires from poor Russia ... We need to create such conditions for business so that working and talented people can work and earn money, then there will be a result. All these state programs are not very effective, rather they are "pies" for the enrichment of those close to the authorities!

[Alexander Ra]

Quote: Seaflame

It is necessary to create such conditions for business ... All these state programs are not very effective

What conditions for business do not create, its selfish beginning will never be belittled before socially significant. Many state programs are fictitious - fakes, national projects, too, really, these are “pies”.

[Proton]

He stole it himself, and set himself an account

[7,62x54]

Noble Rospil turned out. After each failed project, the mode forces you to tighten your belts even tighter.

[d.olegov44]

The program of Konstantin Semin talks about how pompously the company opened and how quickly it turned out that it was “bankrupt”. The author of the Agitprop program talks about the oddities that were discovered already at the initial stage of the production launch.

Why does VO listen so much to the boredom of the American resident Mr. Semin who took his family to the United States and gave birth to his child there?

There are problems, but not American journalists to teach us how to live.

[Alex Nevs]

Or maybe a Cossack? ... Sent.

[Dart2027]

Quote: d.olegov44

Why does VO listen so much to the boredom of the American resident Mr. Semin who took his family to the United States and gave birth to his child there?

Because he shouts "the boss is all gone." How super-sophisticated electronics were replaced is not needed everywhere.

[vargo]

He sometimes of course goes too far or does not work out everything, but nevertheless he is very accurate in his approaches usually. And America scolds, and talks about how everything goes to a deplorable result. He does not praise someone, he is rather against capitalism, because he adheres to the ideology of communism in his convictions. And he is right in many thoughts and words, there are almost no doubts. But as for the reasons to scold capitalism, then the Russian theme is much closer to him, but he does not forget to scold the USA either. The rest are nameplates; sometimes they don’t say anything at all about a person.

[d.olegov44]

Quote: vargo

And America scolds, and talks about how everything goes to a deplorable result.

But real estate there does not sell and for some reason the family does not take away the family from there.

[Victorio]

Quote: d.olegov44

There are problems, but not American journalists to teach us how to live.

===
what's the difference? focuses on sores, already a good judge. and then everyone’s business is how to use it. one - to mock, the other - to be indignant, the third - what to change, do.

[Alex Nevs]

It is time to recall the jerks - The lunar program of mattresses, and the nuclear rush with Lavrenty Palych. But which of these paths has to go to nanometers? That is where the question is.

[Alexander Sosnitsky]

All this regularly happens since Soviet times, when the USSR with the best economy and politics, with all its shortcomings, was deliberately ruined. This is a deliberate hidden sabotage under the slowness and corruption of officials in the context of a shortage of class specialists and natural problems, carried out from a single internal center. I saw all this directly from the center of such events. And people poured vodka. As a result, our personalities were moronic, like microcircuits. It’s the same now. Someone in the center is sitting, bug, bug. Typically USSR-ovsky reception.

[Alex 2016]

And why am I not surprised? Some failures and failures. In all areas and in all areas of activity, well, except for "cutting", theft and chatter. Even old technologies cannot master. Can we learn from the Chinese how to get technology and don't give a damn about everyone? And so everything is against us.

[Giants]

[i] The then Minister of Communications Leonid Reiman launched the plant in industrial production. [/ i
He’s a friend of the fairy-tale still according to Peter, and he was a minister. Together loot earned. We are waiting for the ARTELLERIST to award him with his order.

[fa2998]

Quote: Svarog

Quote: Observer2014

Well, what are you worried about? The horses at the crossing do not change.

For me, you need to shoot such a horse, and then at least on foot ..

Beware, Svarog! For such appeals, they can try on TERRORISM. This "horse" has everything in the law enforcement agencies seized. Twenty years have only strengthened their vertical of power.

[Svarog]

Quote: fa2998

Quote: Svarog

Quote: Observer2014

Well, what are you worried about? The horses at the crossing do not change.

For me, you need to shoot such a horse, and then at least on foot ..

Beware, Svarog! For such appeals, they can try on TERRORISM. This "horse" has everything in the law enforcement agencies seized. Twenty years have only strengthened their vertical of power.

Yes, by "horse" I do not mean a guarantor, but the system that he created .. where nepotism, theft and impunity reigns .. And a specific person does not matter here .. If he professes the same liberal principles, then nothing can change. A socialist must be in power.

[Engineer]

Something I do not remember that the main goal of Angstrom was smartphone chips.
There were several possible applications. Basic-military. At the same time, the outdated technical process was presented as an advantage - less sensitivity to EM - exposure

[Strashila]

Everything as usual. The main thing is pathos and more fanfare, and quietly rub money. Another confirmation, a private trader in Russia can only steal.

[vargo]

Simply, I think, after the 90s, when the whole country was accustomed to survival, it was foolish to hope that those who went into business would be the most optimal direction leaders. The logic of business in the management of state. Of course there is property, but not when a thief is placed in a managerial position. Well, after all, there was almost no chance at the top to be without being smeared or simply with crime.

[Strashila]

The term social elevator, when access to the top was from the bottom, then there was the term blat. now nepotism, clannishness, acquaintance. But in those days, they thought about the matter, and they appointed the appointed worker a deputy to the hard worker who was dragging the job. Now the task is not to solve it, but how to get rich in the shortest possible time. As a class, analytics and planning disappeared, as a result, even having money, the example of Prokhorov with his ё-mobile, just another zilch.

[Sapsan136]

If you don’t try, then nothing will work out ... And if it doesn’t work out for yourself, you need to invite specialists from abroad, they need to be imported to the Russian Federation, and not illiterate patients with Russophobia, Bandera and Basmachi

[akarfoxhound]

This news could be voiced a year ago at the opening of this sharaga. Because the openers already knew that money was being flushed into the toilet, the enterprise did not immediately go bankrupt, they sawed the loot, went bankrupt, no one was to blame

[Shahno]

Quote: Sapsan136

If you don’t try, then nothing will work out ... And if it doesn’t work out for yourself, you need to invite specialists from abroad, they need to be imported to the Russian Federation, and not illiterate patients with Russophobia, Bandera and Basmachi

No, you have to try. But I’ll tell you for sure that with such an attitude towards science and the introduction of technologies in production, with such an attitude towards hi-tech in general, nothing will work. No offense, this systematic approach needs to be changed. The military-industrial complex is the military-industrial complex, high-tech is its own cycle ... Do not harness them into one cart.

[Gaersul]

Welcome all. I think everyone remembers that semiconductors are not only processors? It has already been mentioned that for a number of industrial equipment "nanometers" are not needed, military and special equipment also does not chase after nanometers. I think this plant can produce not only civilian processors, but also microcircuits and assemblies within the framework of import substitution, more precisely, it can. Since they still need to be developed (and there are very few intelligent developers, not only microcircuit engineers, but also radio engineers), take MIREA, for example, there, which year in the specialty of radio engineering in the magistracy, the places are reduced (the Institute of Radio Engineering is cutting radio engineering - bees against honey?). And where to get workers, I already wrote on the forum that a number of specialists are needed for the production of microelectronics: vacuum deposition operators, photolithographs, photomaskers, and they no longer train in these specialties in Russia. They don't cook at all. In the register of specialties of open source software there is a specialty "operator of microelectronic production", but not a single college (technical school) in Russia implements this program. Equipment can be bought, even imported, from the same Koreans, they sell quite calmly without looking back at the United States, but there are no specialists, no workers.

[vargo]

As always, we are returning to the fact that business (at the top of the government looks exactly at how business is viewed), these social benefits and other incomplete things like medicine and education are not needed. Well, used to thinking 200% of the profit, they can’t understand why they need long-playing strategies for years. No, from the 90s and other years, used to make a profit here and now, and just what, have time to dump. I understand them, they are used to it, but we don’t need such people there.

[at84432384]

MIET has always prepared and prepares specialists for microelectronics (in Soviet times, this university did not belong to the Ministry of Education, but to the Ministry of Electronic Industry-IEP). Graduates of Moscow State University, Moscow Engineering Physics Institute, and Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology worked at the leading enterprises of the IEP. LSU, other universities, MIET. I did not meet graduates of MIREA in engineering and scientific positions, although I visited almost all enterprises of the Ministry of Economic Development and Trade. Here in Ostankino they worked.

[Al Asad]

This country will never have a future until the head of state puts his friends at the head of the government, and his godfathers at the head of state corporations and ministries.
The fish rots from the head....

[Nick]

Quote: Al Asad

This country will never have a future until the head of state puts his friends at the head of the government, and his godfathers at the head of state corporations and ministries.

Yes, Russia must understand that the future will appear only when your comrades are put at the head of the government ... It sounds like a joke: Why are you living with Putin’s friends without a future? Let’s live with my friends.

[gridasov]

Creating your own production of microelectronic components is possible only for your own product and on your own machine base. It is impossible to keep up with world achievements. Only your own and only more progressive.

[kitpit]

Cool but the question is where is the landing ???

[Nick]

Quote: kitpit

Cool but the question is where is the landing ???

in general, over the 2018 year, the number of corruption cases increased by 2.5%. Their total number was 6100.
In the 2018 year, the terms received:
11 heads of large municipalities.
11 senior regional officials
13 federal officials and deputies.

[Ivan Slavic]

The "great" power once again crumpled ...

[vargo]

Nothing, the main desire and movement. Not without errors. What is there to be surprised. Like we're the first or only

[Ivan Slavic]

So far, some mistakes without desire and movement (

[vargo]

but where then would the error be if there were no desire and movement? Everything is there, you just need to search on the internet. There is movement and desire. But we have full and all that interferes. The process is not easy, what to do.

[Campanella]

It is not the power that has crumpled, but its "elite" part, which is not surprising, they are all pulling in different directions ... their pockets, and their homeland is a source of benefits.

[Nick]

Quote: Ivan Slavic

The "great" power once again crumpled ...

This is more likely to refer to the fakecomet Semin. And in Russia for a long time they have been producing chips, the same Elbrus and Baikal, using 28 nanometer technology, and they are preparing to produce it using 16 nanometer technologies.

[Klingon]

Quote: Clever man

At that time I had a pentium 3 733 MHz, a modern machine for those times

at that time I had an atlone K6 1000 MHz and 128 mb of RAM. 40GB screw and Nvidia Riva TNT364 graphics card
and pre-installed was the moronic Windows Millennium. constantly freezing or blue screen. I demolished it and put Win 98SE))

[svp67]

Reading this you understand that the blood shed in the 37th year taught nothing ...

[at84432384]

Correct, in the 38th.

[nikvic46]

The truth must be sought in the middle. I think that there are still achievements of scientists in electronics. But the introduction into production is rather complicated.

[at84432384]

Under Yeltsin, they dispersed all the specialized research institutes. Who will develop?

[Nick]

Quote: nikvic46

The truth must be sought in the middle. I think that there are still achievements of scientists in electronics. But the introduction into production is rather complicated.

And there are achievements in production already.
For example:
Now the Elbrus-8C1 processor is manufactured, manufactured according to the 28nm process technology, and the production of the Elbrus-16C processor, which is to be produced by the 16nm process technology and has a competitive price, is being prepared.

[Alien From]

No Reiman for the country will do anything good !!!!

[Alien From]

Reiman ..... because a man of rain .... ????

[pafegosoff]

It’s not about sanctions. Yesterday, just the scientist and the head of the enterprise, which produces industrial roughly speaking - computers, but rather - ACS.
Since in Zelenograd, in addition to Angstrem-T, 4 more enterprises are engaged in chips, I do not know what he was talking about: they bought know how equipment for the production of chips without the necessary procedures: “We are Russian, we will figure it out ourselves, not stupid! three times cheaper. " And for two years they were fools. "And you turn it on - it doesn't work!" - as Zhvanetsky said.
That scientist-leader said: "If they started this line in Zelenograd, we would take it (admittedly, acceptance testing is tough)
For industrial computers, it is not super-performance with miniaturization and economy that is important, but reliability. Even 10 years ago, half of my equipment worked on i386 plus Z80 analogues. But they kept guaranteed -50C to + 80C (sealed case under severe operating conditions). The screens were originally the same as those of the Soyuz spacecraft. And the cost of the box until 1998 was 150 thousand rubles at the price of a dollar - 6 rubles. Then, nevertheless, time went on, everything became cheaper and already on Pentium it cost a few million rubles at a price of 30 rubles per dollar (and those old men, having already worked out their 10 years of amortization, continued to plow in the absence of sealing, knee-deep in condensate and dust You look in the footcloth of the next inventory: half - cost - 0. And - it works!

[cosmos-PS]

Yes, the project was originally designed for money laundering, which was still worth expecting from our government officials. But still they launched the plant and this is important. And declaring bankrupt is not a death sentence. It just seems that they have not yet made money on this project until the end.
As for nanometers, even though 130, 110 and 65 no longer meet the requirements for the production of chips for modern processors for gadgets and computers, but there are a bunch of other directions. Telecommunication systems, cellular communications, machine tool building, and much more, where 250 nm behind the eyes and these markets are huge, brains are only needed. So a plant, like a plant, can occupy its niche.
PS: Read the comments, sometimes it’s nonsense, we drop from nanometers to sausages. In comparison !!!

[UserGun]

Quote: cosmos-PS

Telecommunication systems, cellular communications, machine tool building, and much more, where 250 nm behind the eyes and these markets are huge, brains are only needed.

And answer us, quickly and decisively, on what base is the Mitsubishi or Fanuc rack kit built? In particular, HMI and PLC itself)))

[cosmos-PS]

And what can I say, the base is different, as its own Japanese, European and American. You can’t argue that with regard to programmable logic, the Americans are ahead. I clarify, this is the element base. But microcontrollers, interface chips, elementary logic, their diversity is simply huge. It’s the strength to overpower and load production.

[UserGun]

Sorry, but you also wrote that:

Quote: cosmos-PS

brains only needed

Well will you have

Quote: cosmos-PS

microcontrollers, interface microcircuits, elementary logic

So what? I dare to answer that the cost of this husk, in the absence of competition will be sky-high, and my mother also does not grieve for marriage. This we have already passed. By the way, on this bankrupt line already, even made an order for China))) And what do you think? The Chinese broke the contract, evil tongues said that the cost and quality did not even suit them. The only thing that went more or less painlessly on it was the manufacture of chips for metro tickets! ))) But this, you must admit, is clogging nails with a microscope.

[cosmos-PS]

I agree, but ... the issue of marriage is a matter of improving the culture of production, and the question of price lies in the plane of the tasks of strategic planning and competent marketing.
But here now in the comments the emphasis is on obsolete equipment, which is certainly true, but if you think about how many countries it has at least that ... Not much. The task now is how to properly load this production, and this is the problem, but not like in this supposedly outdated equipment.

[Alex Fox]

and the whole joke is that instead of investing in an elbrus which is the most promising in architecture that is now on the processor market, they just started sawing.

[AML]

Well, that's okay. Uralvagon also bankrupt the same VEB so what? Tanks stopped releasing or wagons? Was a private owner, will become state. And the military and the Z80 in 90% of cases for the eyes.

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: AML

And the military and the Z80 in 90% of cases for the eyes.

And three-ruler, yeah.

[UserGun]

Actually, it was long ago, under the abbreviation T34BM1))) It was made on a line pulled from the GDR, exactly before the withdrawal of troops, where the release of microprocessor logic Z80, in particular U880, was established. I wonder what and how can now be done on an 8-bit processor ?! No, seriously))) Tell us, homespun, from plow)))

[Stalker84]

On the site - "Made by us" As it was a bravura post about this enterprise. Somewhere a year later. So, there, in the comments, the former employee described everything colorfully about outdated technologies and, most importantly, about the attitude towards personnel. And it is pigskre, specialists of the highest level worked for 20-25k, less than a Tajik janitor, or a handyman from a construction site. Moreover, for marriage they had them both in the tail and in the mane. And for a marriage in military products and it was possible to sit down. And this is one of the main problems. It is fashionable to build a huge factory. Bring the equipment to the soup. Find those who will work on it. But ... The effective ones at the head will set a salary of three kopecks for the workers, while for themselves and for themselves, in numbers with 6 zeros and on the collapse of the camp, a matter of time. And this is everywhere that cannot but depress. One of the authors of the aforementioned channel, Evgeny Super, sometimes posts another agitation on his page. Recently I posted a piece video, a parody of Bostondenamix from some comedians. And on the basis of a comedy conclusion, I concluded that the robots of Bostondenamix are fake ... That's what they are, propagandists.

[steelmaker]

The conclusion is that in order for us to create something, we need a different political regime! These are only interested in privatization and AFRICA!

[AML]

Quote: UserGun

Actually, it was long ago, under the abbreviation T34BM1))) It was made on a line pulled from the GDR, exactly before the withdrawal of troops, where the release of microprocessor logic Z80, in particular U880, was established. I wonder what and how can now be done on an 8-bit processor ?! No, seriously))) Tell us, homespun, from plow)))

You need to go to some programmer's office doing major projects and see how it is.
When you penetrate, you will understand that because of one function entire libraries are pulled. And that is why the resource is never enough, and not because 8 bits is not enough. In addition, you can always return to parallel asynchronous computing, according to which the USSR was ahead of the rest. Yes, probably now.

[UserGun]

Oh, really in this

Quote: AML

some programming office doing major projects

still working on the ZX Spectrum ?! )))

[AML]

Quote: Good_Anonymous

Quote: AML

And the military and the Z80 in 90% of cases for the eyes.

And three-ruler, yeah.

And what is bad with the three-ruler? SVD for accuracy so certainly does.

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: AML

And what is bad with the three-ruler?

Does not meet modern requirements for small arms, probably (already about 80 years old). Just like the Z80 does not meet the requirements for modern processors (already 30 years old).

Quote: AML

SVD for accuracy so surely does

Tell about it in the profile topic - they will specifically explain to you what you are wrong about.

[AML]

Quote: UserGun

Oh, really in this

Quote: AML

some programming office doing major projects

still working on the ZX Spectrum ?! )))

Those who want to work. Who does not want to seek excuses.

[UserGun]

Clear There will be no intelligible answers to my questions because yours, in your own words:

Quote: AML

mess in my head

You don’t even know that the same Z80 processor, honestly stolen from pagan Anglo-Saxons, was produced on a stolen line They hung it on him, as they are now hanging on machines assembled from bogey bourgeois components, a nameplate with Russian letters T34VM1))) Everything is as before! ))) You still live in your own world, from the time of King Peas, but you should not transfer your single outlook on everyone. Believe me, this looks very funny. Bye.

[AML]

Quote: UserGun

Clear There will be no intelligible answers to my questions because yours, in your own words:

Quote: AML

mess in my head

You don’t even know that the same Z80 processor, honestly stolen from pagan Anglo-Saxons, was produced on a stolen line You still live in your own world, from the time of King Peas, but you should not transfer your single outlook on everyone. Believe me, this looks very funny. Bye.

And the pentium is honestly stolen from the USSR algorithms. So what?
Clearly understood. When the arguments end, there is a transition to the individual. Mine to you fi.

[UserGun]

Quote: AML

And the pentium is honestly stolen from the USSR algorithms. So what?

Is that how it is? Tyry is a miserable, according to your own words, 8-bit processor, with its miserable algorithms, but at the same time go ahead of the whole planet with 32 bits, which you have been dug?

Is everything all right with cause and effect? And with a head in general

Yes, and how is it that with the algorithms that were stolen from us, you still pair the Z80 with everyone ?!

[AML]

Quote: UserGun

Blah blah blah

Is everything all right with cause and effect? And with a head in general

Yes, and how is it that with the algorithms that were stolen from us, you still pair the Z80 with everyone ?!

Everything is fine with my connections.
1) I did not raise the topic Z80
2) Pentium was after Z80

To your regret, I do not make diagnoses on the profile picture, so you should visit the specialized institutions. And it is advisable to immediately with things that would not run 2 times.

[UserGun]

Quote: AML

1) I did not raise the topic Z80

You wouldn’t even have stuttered then))) And there wouldn’t be such an epic fail of yours, which of course does not compare with the fail in this ill-fated epic with Fab35 from Dresden (namely, this line was called AMD ) but how does it resonate with the line from the GDR for the production of Z80)))

Quote: AML

2) Pentium was after Z80

Well, why your fabulous algorithms, "steeped" by the pagan Yankees, you didn’t shmog in the SSR to fasten to the Z80 ?! )))

The more you wag your tail like a battered dog, the more you look ridiculous.

[AML]

Quote: UserGun

Quote: AML

1) I did not raise the topic Z80

You wouldn’t even have stuttered then))) And there wouldn’t be such an epic file of yours that, of course, cannot be compared with the file on this unfortunate epic with FAB35 from Dresden (that’s what this AMD line was called ) but how does it resonate with the line from the GDR for the production of Z80)))

Quote: AML

2) Pentium was after Z80

Well, why your fabulous algorithms, "steeped" by the pagan Yankees, you didn’t shmog in the SSR to fasten to the Z80 ?! )))

The more you wag your tail like a battered dog, the more you look ridiculous.

Unlike you, I can allow myself to say what I like and what I think is right.

So what about causal relationships? Dogs beaten by fails wait.

And turn to psychologists. Based on the abundant number of smiles, they will tell you what emotional harm you inflicted on yourself when you pinched your pussy with a toilet cover. Do not start health. This is the only thing you can’t buy for money.

[UserGun]

Quote: AML

Unlike you, I can allow myself to say what I like and what I think is right.

The fact is that you, of course, can say whatever comes to your mind))) But then others can respond in the same way to your outright ignorance of the subject and hardware. Therefore, sometimes it is better to remain silent in a topic where you don’t boom-boom or even stutter. It will be smarter.

[Jerk]

Or oval-shit-failed
By the way, the haircut has just begun. But it’s easier to yell - everything’s gone. Take your face up to the technical floor, although there will most likely be a safe there. Again, not foreign. And inside, most likely, there will be something from St. Petersburg. And the laces that come out are black - saran... But it’s all gone, yes
I'm talking about how their children go online from home or school

[UA3QHP]

Quote: UserGun

You don’t even know that the same Z80 processor, honestly stolen from pagan Anglo-Saxons, was produced on a stolen line

Even at that time, it was far from Ice, but it closed its niche, although both the K580 and the cooler 16-bit K1801, K1811 (Electronics-85) were produced on our lines at the same time.

[UserGun]

Quote: Ua3qhp

although the K580 was also produced on our lines at the same time

so this is a clone, again honestly stolen from crappy Intel))) More specifically, the entire line of microprocessor kit Intel 8080 )))

Quote: Ua3qhp

K1811

Again a direct clone, only from the DC30x series DEC F11 )))

Quote: Ua3qhp

K1801

Here it seems like a pile! ))) Only this truncated variant of the same DEC T-11)))

[UA3QHP]

Whatever the specifications were, such processors were produced. If those at the top decided to abandon their own architectures and use DEC and Intel, then they produced the corresponding products.
Those. at that time the technological lines allowed this to be done. I read somewhere an opinion that a factory with topological standards of 7nm or less will never break even in commercial operation, only if the state gives money. And now only China can do this.
There is also positive experience, in Zelenograd, in addition to Angstrem-T, there is also Mikron, they have completely mastered 90nm and I am quite sure that they will master 65nm and less. Judging by the speed of production launch, but here people pay their money.
By the way, creating a processor of your own architecture is a very expensive task; it is not enough to manufacture the microprocessor itself; it also requires a huge amount of instrumental software.
And even now the market for original microprocessor architectures can be counted on the fingers of one hand. But there are much more microprocessor manufacturers.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Lavrenty Pavlovich is not on them, he taught how to love your homeland

[Bogatyrev]

How much money wasted..lost on such ill-conceived projects.
It is necessary to create an element base.
But this should be done by real people who understand the dynamics of the market.

[AML]

Quote: UserGun

Quote: AML

Unlike you, I can allow myself to say what I like and what I think is right.

The fact is that you, of course, can say whatever comes to your mind))) But then others can respond in the same way to your outright ignorance of the subject and hardware. Therefore, sometimes it is better to remain silent in a topic where you don’t boom-boom or even stutter. It will be smarter.

According to Boris Artashesovich Babayan, the chief architect of the Elbrus line supercomputers, superscalar architecture was invented in Russia: “In 1978, we made the first superscalar machine, Elbrus-1. Now in the West they make only superscalars of this architecture. The first superscalar in the West appeared in ’92, ours in ’78. Moreover, the version of the superscalar that we made is similar to the Pentium Pro that Intel made in ’95.”

Elbrus also confirms its historical primacy in America. In the same article from the Microprocessor Report, Keith Diefendorff, developer of the Motorola 88110, one of the first Western superscalar processors, writes: “In 1978, almost 15 years before the first Western superscalar processors appeared, Elbrus-1 used a processor that output two instructions in one clock cycle, changing the order of execution of instructions, renaming registers and execution by assumption."

In 1991, Mr. Peter Rosenbladt from Hewlett-Packard visited Elbrus (then still ITMiVT) and received comprehensive documentation on Elbrus-3. It later turned out that it was then that HP began a project that led to the joint development of the Merced EPIC processor with Intel. Its architecture is very similar to Elbrus-3, and the differences are mainly due to simplifications made in the Intel microprocessor.

According to B.A. Babayan, Peter Rosenbladt proposed cooperation with HP. But Babayan chose Sun (the first meeting with Sun management took place back in 1989). And in 1991, a contract was signed with Sun. Sun officials know that Elbrus took part in the development of the UltraSPARC microprocessor, optimizing compilers, operating systems (including Solaris), Java tools, and multimedia libraries.

Don’t rub your fingers on the manuals either.

[Good_Anonymous]

All these are legends and myths (about the Pentium, which Pentkovsky allegedly developed, too).

Quote: AML

According to Boris Artashesovich Babayan, chief architect of the Elbrus line supercomputers

Babayan was not the “chief architect of the Elbrus line supercomputers.” He was responsible for software development.

Quote: AML

According to B.A. Babayan

Babayan is a famous blabbermouth. He promised Elbrus2000 for several years, and Elbrus-3M was released several years after Babayan left.

[Nikolai]

Yes, even then this project was perceived by everyone as wildness, at a minimum. And Reiman said with a smile that 65 nm will be in demand for a long time in his native country, this is a good thing, they say 65 is cheap and cheerful, that’s what we need, guys. Cheated. Will he answer?

[Campanella]

None of them ever responded.
It’s like that joke - Susanin turned out to be a top manager by profession!

[Trotil42]

And I am not even more surprised by the investment of 1.5 trillion rubles in the digitalization of the economy .... but here at least they bought something ... damned adversaries somehow manage without it ... if Medvedev would be to them ...

[MrFox]

This digitalization for tracking income, chipping of clothes, shoes and products, in general, is the road to the ruin of small businesses. It won't give anything to the economy.

[Aleks2000]

And everywhere on the Internet there are articles about the breakthrough of electronics.... strange...

[Nick]

Quote: Alex2000

And everywhere on the Internet there are articles about the breakthrough of electronics.... strange...

And on the Internet everything is lost, which is even more strange, since it is based on fakes and distortion of facts.

[AML]

Quote: Good_Anonymous

Babayan is a famous blabbermouth. He promised Elbrus2000 for several years, and Elbrus-3M was released several years after Babayan left.

If Babayan with the Lenin Prize for 2 Elbrus and the Intel Fellow award is blabbering, then I’m wondering what your opinion is of yourself. No, I'm lying. Not interested.

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: AML

If Babayan with the Lenin Prize for 2 Elbrus and the Intel Fellow award is blabbering, then I’m wondering what your opinion is of yourself. No, I'm lying. Not interested.

As I understand it, there are no objections to the facts?

And as for the prizes... well, here’s the opinion of Academician Burtsev (who was the chief designer of Elbrus-1 and -2), the Lenin Prize and two State Prizes:

In the Elbrus project, B.A. Babayan led the work on the software, including the operating system (OS). I must say that his OS does not work at any facility; they created their own operating systems there.

Here is a link for self-education: http://www.electronics.ru/files/article_pdf/1/article_1576_831.pdf

[Shahno]

Quote: NordUral

Yes, Alexey, we grabbed cars, we are sitting on mortgages and in fear of losing our jobs, apartments and cars. The Anglo-Saxons are not fools, when they first developed all this at home and then brought it to us.

Well, okay, this is called the appearance of well-being. Everyone is happy...

[Nick]

Quote: Shahno

Well, okay, this is called the appearance of well-being. Everyone is happy...

Yes, but in your opinion, real prosperity is when everyone lives in dugouts and walks barefoot. Oh, and still unhappy! No, live like this yourself, but we’ll somehow live in apartments and drive cars.

[AML]

Quote: Good_Anonymous

Quote: AML

If Babayan with the Lenin Prize for 2 Elbrus and the Intel Fellow award is blabbering, then I’m wondering what your opinion is of yourself. No, I'm lying. Not interested.

As I understand it, there are no objections to the facts?

In the Elbrus project, B.A. Babayan led the work on the software, including the operating system (OS). I must say that his OS does not work at any facility; they created their own operating systems there.

Here is a link for self-education: http://www.electronics.ru/files/article_pdf/1/article_1576_831.pdf

Why not to the Murzilka magazine?
Here is a link to the official website of MIPT - https://mipt.ru/drec/about/bases/babayan.php Can you handle black letters on a white background? Or is it just jaundice that's all you have? If this is not enough, visit the MCST website

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: AML

Why not to the Murzilka magazine?

As I understand it, you couldn’t google who V.S. Burtsev is?

Quote: AML

https://mipt.ru/drec/about/bases/babayan.php

And?

In 1974, Boris Babayan received the State Prize for the development and implementation of complex equipment for CAD, production and management of complex electronics

position of director of architecture in the software solutions division (Software Solutions Group)

As stated in Burtsev’s interview, Babayan was involved in software. Of course, you need to be able to read, but I believe that you will learn.

Quote: AML

Or is it just jaundice that's all you have?

It’s funny to hear this from a character who believes that “the Pentium is algorithms honestly stolen from the USSR” (by the way, “honestly” is spelled with a “t”).

Quote: AML

If this is not enough, visit the MCST website

Why not the website of the magazine "Murzilka"?

[AML]

Quote: Good_Anonymous

Blah blah blah

In 1974, Boris Babayan received the State Prize for the development and implementation of complex equipment for CAD, production and management of complex electronics

And again blah blah

As stated in Burtsev’s interview, Babayan was involved in software. Of course, you need to be able to read, but I believe that you will learn.

Now we gain strength and read to the end of the paragraph

Thirteen years later, for the development and implementation of the Elbrus-2 microprocessor computing system, he was awarded the title of Lenin Prize laureate. He was awarded three orders for the development and implementation of microprocessor computing systems.

Now we rise higher and lo and behold, in the original post I wrote that the award was received for 2 Elbrus.
Do you have problems with perception? Maybe attention disorder?

Quote: Good_Anonymous

It’s funny to hear this from a character who believes that “the Pentium is algorithms honestly stolen from the USSR” (by the way, “honestly” is spelled with a “t”).

But it’s funny to me when people read and hear something at the same time. This is most likely due to the onset of cognitive dissonance. And as a person who doesn’t have Russian letters on the keyboard, my writing is quite passable.

You can also delete this account.

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: AML

Thirteen years later, for the development and implementation of the Elbrus-2 microprocessor computing system, he was awarded the title of Lenin Prize laureate.

This is the wording with which an entire team was awarded the Lenin Prize. And about the distribution of roles in the team, see Burtsev’s interview.

Quote: AML

Do you have problems with perception? Maybe attention disorder?

No. This is where you demonstrate your selective reading skills.

Quote: AML

You can also delete this account.

You will be merged without me. For sadness

[for]

Quote: stone

That is not your truth. There is a real sausage, just as tasty and regular as in the USSR. We have one in Perm. In Kudymkar they do! Again, there is every opportunity to make sausage yourself, at least boiled, at least smoked, at least dried. All bells and whistles sell, whole forums and videos on YouTube. Over only desire

I make it myself, the only question is where to get the right meat. Ours is still normal, but “progress”. and we are not standing still.

[Shahno]

Quote: Nick

Quote: nikvic46

The truth must be sought in the middle. I think that there are still achievements of scientists in electronics. But the introduction into production is rather complicated.

And there are achievements in production already.
For example:
Now the Elbrus-8C1 processor is manufactured, manufactured according to the 28nm process technology, and the production of the Elbrus-16C processor, which is to be produced by the 16nm process technology and has a competitive price, is being prepared.

And just a couple of questions.
1. Cost 1 unit. PC.
2. Where are the Elbrus assembly lines...

[EvilLion]

Is the author even aware that outdated technical processes do not exist and smartphones are far from the only application of electronics? I think about the same level of competence in everything else.

[EvilLion]

I would like to separately note that the development of anything even remotely resembling a modern Intel processor or video card will require decades of development and trillions of dollars in investments. To do this, you cannot simply buy photolithographic installations, and the technology for their production is simply impossible to buy. Currently, the consumer electronics market is simply closed, and no replacement for the conditional Serdyukov will help here. Because the objective reality is that there are several giant corporations that have walked this path before, and no one else will be able to repeat it due to the impossibility of increasing so many resources. All that remains is production for the military, which are often fundamentally different from civilian production, since any i7 in a combat aircraft can simply die at once from high-energy radiation, and various types of products of less complexity.

A separate topic is software; Intel is soon going to introduce its discrete video cards. Well, you can watch how a huge company is struggling with the fact that a huge number of games that have long been studied by nVidia and AMD and have support and workarounds for bugs from these companies will slow down and crash on Intel drivers. No, do you really believe that in Russia you can create your own computer and any existing software for Windows and Linux is guaranteed to work on it??

And the fact that in Russia there is now no opportunity to produce Intel i-core-level processors, so for that, thank your beloved USSR, which completely failed in the production of the element base and switched to copying IBM/360.

But you can continue blaming the Serdyukovs; it will undoubtedly help solve problems that require trillions of dollars and millions of man-years.

[UA3QHP]

What is the connection between computer architecture and microelectronics production lines?
The USSR was not far behind Western firms in technology. The main lag appeared in the 90s, when funding for the microelectronics industry was completely stopped, and the “invisible hand of the market” was expected.

[Dmitriy84]

Our company also poured hundreds of millions of dollars into microelectronics equipment, did not produce a single product due to lack of orders and the desire to look for them, and now they want to sell it all. Allegedly, the 3-year-old equipment is outdated. ((

[Stalnov I.P.]

Someone made a big HAPOK, Ulyukaev and others were not standing nearby. This is direct confirmation of the incompetent economic development policy. All fairy tales fall apart.

[UA3QHP]

Quote: UserGun

You have a real time OS that can work 24\7 365 days

Why does a CNC machine even need a real-time OS if its only function is to control 5-6 relatively slow electric motors, is that an airplane?
In principle, this shows the modern level of programmers, the problem solved by 1kB of code is stretched to several MB with the requirement of an RT OS and extremely powerful hardware.

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: Ua3qhp

In principle, this shows the modern level of programmers, the problem solved by 1kB of code is stretched to several MB with the requirement of an RT OS and extremely powerful hardware.

This is, of course, a myth. What was previously solved with 1kB of code can still be solved with it. But now tasks are being solved that by their nature require significant resources - previously they simply could not be solved due to the lack of such resources.

[UserGun]

Quote: Ua3qhp

Why does a CNC machine even need a real-time OS if its only function is to control 5-6 relatively slow electric motors, is that an airplane?

You should at least take a look here first:

"guaranteed response time to external events (interruptions from equipment);
a strict process planning subsystem (high-priority tasks should not be supplanted by low-priority ones, with some exceptions);
increased requirements for reaction time to external events or reactivity (delay in calling the interrupt handler is no more than tens of microseconds, delay when switching tasks no more hundreds of microseconds).
A classic example of a task where an RTOS is required is the control of a robot picking up a part from a conveyor belt. The part is moving, and the robot has only a small window of time when it can pick it up. If he is late, the part will no longer be on the correct section of the conveyor, and therefore the work will not be completed, despite the fact that the robot is in the correct place. If he prepares earlier, the part will not have time to arrive, and he will block its path." https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Операционная_система_реального_времени

I’m not a teacher at all, but it’s still very advisable that you at least familiarize yourself, even if only superficially, with the basics before asking such questions.

[UA3QHP]

This is a bad example from the wiki. The robot itself performs one task and does not require an RTOS, although it can greatly simplify the joining of this robot with the rest of the system, but to control a dozen of these robots an RTOS will be needed.

[UserGun]

Quote: Ua3qhp

The robot itself performs one task

Orly?! And which one?! )))

[UA3QHP]

Consistently - image recognition, movement along a given trajectory. Next, repeat the cycle.
It does not need to simultaneously send data over a LAN, work with the file system, and perform any other parallel actions. To solve this problem, an operating system is not required. If the complexity of the activity is required, then yes, an OS may be required, but this is specific to the specific problem being solved.

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: Ua3qhp

The robot itself performs one task

The robot's control program controls multiple actuators, and most likely communicates over a network and provides an interface to the user. So the RT OS will not be superfluous (and where it is not there, something similar is usually coded manually).

Quote: Ua3qhp

It does not need to simultaneously send data over the LAN

Most likely it is required.

[fif21]

Fierce competition. Those who didn't have time are late. Before building a plant, you need to think about the competitiveness of the product and the demand for it. I hope that someone will bring their plan to the end. It's a pity, it's a pity.

[UA3QHP]

In microelectronics the situation is somewhat different - almost any production can now be loaded with orders, but competent commercial services are needed, but it turns out they are not there. Selling oil and gas is easier.

[Pacifist]

No

The project to create domestic microelectronics was a failure

, and this particular mediocre scam turned out to be a failure.

[Uncle Izya]

It is impossible to produce competitive electronics today with 110 nm chips. Modern smartphone chips use an order of magnitude smaller “step”.
Oh well, Minsk Integral produces it and on most technical processes the process is not necessary to use the advanced technical process everywhere