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Georgia will bring all military bases to NATO standards and change uniform

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The Georgian army will receive a new uniform, equipment and change the diet, and the country's military bases will be brought to NATO standards. This was reported by the press service of the Georgian Ministry of Defense.


Georgia will bring all military bases to NATO standards and change uniform


The Georgian Ministry of Defense has decided to repair all military bases in the republic in order to bring their infrastructure to a single standard according to NATO standards. Initially, work will be carried out at the military base of Mukhrovani in Kakheti, the next object of reform will be the Paldo training center, also located in Kakheti. Defense Minister Irakli Garibashvili got acquainted with the design and construction work on the spot.

Infrastructure projects start from the base of Mukhrovani (Kakheti region). The location of the units will be equipped according to the standards of the NATO barracks system. According to the decision of the Minister of Defense, in addition to the new barracks, sports grounds and swimming pools will be equipped on the territory. Mukhrovani base will have the largest training ground

- say in a message.

In addition, according to the military department of the republic, as part of the reform, it is planned to replace the uniform of the Georgian armed forces, completely update the equipment of military personnel, as well as change the diet. Earlier, the new Minister of Defense raised the military’s salaries by 100-500 GEL (depending on rank) from November 1 this year.

According to the Georgian Ministry of Defense, the plans of the new Minister of Defense include the revival of the Georgian military industry, including aviation.


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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 2 November 2019 16: 44
    -2
    Theoretically, everything is correct. How it will be in reality is unknown, but fundamentally ... Of the current Georgians, TE are still soldiers ....
    1. GKS 2111
      GKS 2111 2 November 2019 16: 54
      +15
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      How will it be, is unknown

      Known
    2. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 2 November 2019 17: 08
      +17
      Something NATO camouflage did not help them much in 2008. And the military bases made on mattress models were thrown intact.
      1. volodimer
        volodimer 2 November 2019 18: 14
        +10
        And the military bases made on mattress models were thrown intact.
        In Syria, we saw how teachers do it. Just before, something could be attributed to Georgian soldiers, and now we see that they acted according to what they had been trained.
      2. Piramidon
        Piramidon 2 November 2019 18: 33
        +15
        Quote: TermNachTER
        Something NATO camouflage did not help them much in 2008.

        Then they still did not eat NATO like that. But now there are no kharchos and khachapuri, only hot dogs and everything will go like NATO.
        The Georgian army will receive a new uniform, equipment and change diet
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 2 November 2019 19: 03
          +3
          I wonder how a change in diet will affect combat efficiency? Or were they not fed at all in 2008?
        2. Grits
          Grits 3 November 2019 02: 40
          +1
          Quote: Piramidon
          But now there are no kharchos and khachapuri, only hot dogs and everything will go like NATO.

          ... And no Georgian songs, just rap!
      3. Far East
        Far East 3 November 2019 00: 49
        0
        no, they’re just moving now, to the white forefathers, and white golfs! lol laughing
      4. antivirus
        antivirus 3 November 2019 11: 04
        0
        According to the Georgian Ministry of Defense, the plans of the new minister of defense include the revival of the Georgian military industry, including aviation.

        in a fable - like putting glasses on your tail - don’t help
        Adjara will also break away
    3. RUSS
      RUSS 2 November 2019 17: 17
      0
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Theoretically, everything is correct. How it will be in reality is unknown, but fundamentally ... Of the current Georgians, TE are still soldiers ....

      This is not the point, but the fact that everything goes to the point that Georgia will be admitted to NATO, respectively, without Abkhazia and South Ossetia.
      At the very least, talk about it does not cease.
      Former NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen proposed to Georgia a scheme for joining the alliance without spreading the fifth article of the organization’s charter on collective security in Abkhazia and South Ossetia. According to Rasmussen, this does not mean that Tbilisi should abandon the uncontrolled regions, but only that the fifth point will be fully involved after the restoration of territorial integrity. In an interview with Western reporters, Rasmussen said that Georgia’s option of joining NATO was not unprecedented - Germany joined the alliance in 1955, and the fifth paragraph of the charter did not extend to the eastern part until 1991, until the country united.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 2 November 2019 17: 34
        +3
        Yes, they will be taken, and Georgians and Kakalov no doubt. And they will forget about this fifth point. Such cases are already full. Recently, Estonia, the NATO country has territorial claims against Russia.
        1. Aerodrome
          Aerodrome 2 November 2019 18: 03
          0
          Georgia will bring all military bases to NATO standards and change uniform
          "Moving beds" is useless ... proven. yes
        2. Albert1988
          Albert1988 2 November 2019 19: 18
          0
          Quote: 210ox
          Yes, they will be taken, and Georgians and Kakalov no doubt. And they will forget about this fifth point. Such cases are already full. Recently, Estonia, the NATO country has territorial claims against Russia.

          Eeeeestoooooniyuyuyu took in NATO for a couple of years, and these are almost a dozen and a half mumble ...
          And of course they’ll take it - in about twenty years)))))
        3. Grits
          Grits 3 November 2019 02: 49
          +3
          Quote: 210ox
          Yes, they will be taken, and Georgians and Kakalov no doubt. And they will forget about this fifth point.

          Without a doubt. When the law prevents Americans from acting in their interests, they are happy to spit on the law. Even on your own. Therefore, in spite of all the points, the Americans will gladly accept them, no matter what. After all, one wants to be with one’s troops on the borders of Russia.
          However, mongrels also should not forget that they spit just as beautifully on items related to collective assistance. That is, if it smells fried, then the Americans are not going to die of any reptiles at all and will not fight for them.
          1. abc_alex
            abc_alex 3 November 2019 10: 15
            0
            Quote: Gritsa
            despite all the points, the Americans will gladly accept them, no matter what. After all, one wants to be with one’s troops on the borders of Russia.

            For this, Georgia does not need to be admitted to NATO. A bilateral agreement is enough. See examples of the UK and BV countries.
        4. abc_alex
          abc_alex 3 November 2019 10: 16
          0
          Quote: 210ox
          Yes, they will be taken, and Georgians and Kakalov no doubt. And they will forget about this fifth point. Such cases are already full. Recently, Estonia, the NATO country has territorial claims against Russia.

          And then what is the point of acceptance? If the military obligations of the participating countries do not extend to them, what is the point of NATO from Georgia and Georgia from NATO?
    4. venik
      venik 2 November 2019 22: 30
      0
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Of today's Georgians, TE are still soldiers ....

      ==========
      "....The Georgian army will receive a new uniform, equipment and change the diet, and the country's military bases will be brought to NATO standard..... ". Hmm ... You might think that this will help them in some way ....." If .... hmm ... the "brothel" does not fulfill the plan, you need to change the "staff", not to rearrange the beds from place to place! "(from a "bearded" anecdote) drinks
    5. cost
      cost 3 November 2019 09: 44
      0
      from the change of pants the army will not change
  2. 1976AG
    1976AG 2 November 2019 16: 44
    0
    Change the form is not a problem, the essence of this will not change. Georgia rushing into NATO, attempt number ....
    1. sir.jonn
      sir.jonn 2 November 2019 17: 19
      0
      Quote: 1976AG
      Change the form is not a problem, the essence of this will not change. Georgia rushing into NATO, attempt number ....

      No one needs them there. If necessary, their territory will be used by parties to a major conflict, without the consent of the people and government. The most real defense is a return to the USSR.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 2 November 2019 17: 35
        0
        That's why they are needed there. As a bridgehead and vanguard first to death.
        1. sir.jonn
          sir.jonn 2 November 2019 18: 13
          +1
          Quote: 210ox
          That's why they are needed there. As a bridgehead and vanguard first to death.

          In NATO, they will need to be armed for free, and they will be able to use them as meat and a foothold.
      2. Grits
        Grits 3 November 2019 02: 50
        +3
        Quote: sir.jonn
        The most real defense is a return to the USSR.

        holy is holy ... Only not these.
        1. nikvic46
          nikvic46 3 November 2019 07: 49
          +1
          Alexander. Right. And then they swung at the holy.
      3. mvg
        mvg 3 November 2019 05: 05
        +1
        The most real defense is a return to the USSR.

        At least one republic of the former USSR requested back? Even Belarusians rush to and fro.
        1. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 5 November 2019 16: 04
          0
          Quote: mvg
          Even Belarusians rush to and fro.

          Belarusians or still Butska?
          1. mvg
            mvg 5 November 2019 18: 19
            -1
            still Butska

            Is this not the same thing over the past 20 + years?
            1. Sanichsan
              Sanichsan 6 November 2019 16: 33
              0
              Quote: mvg
              Is this not the same thing over the past 20 + years?

              hmmm .. I only remembered one country where the government and the people were "one and the same". but not for long and now this country no longer exists.
        2. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 5 November 2019 18: 29
          -1
          Quote: mvg
          At least one republic of the former USSR requested back? Even Belarusians rush to and fro.

          And why are they asking for something? Do we have a lot of achievements? Or maybe the standard of living is better?
          1. mvg
            mvg 5 November 2019 19: 35
            0
            And why are they asking for something?

            So I for sho?
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 5 November 2019 23: 54
              +2
              Quote: mvg
              And why are they asking for something?

              So I for sho?

              You think correctly, Maxim! good drinks
              1. mvg
                mvg 5 November 2019 23: 57
                0
                Think right

                Mnu had slightly different thoughts, but I erased them .. but from drinks I wouldn’t refuse, but tomorrow is Wednesday. Closer to Saturday, thoughts are metered.
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 6 November 2019 00: 07
                  +3
                  Quote: mvg
                  Mnu had slightly different thoughts, but I erased them .. but I wouldn’t refuse, but tomorrow is Wednesday. Closer to Saturday, thoughts are metered.

                  And the Korefan respect has no statute of limitations good Therefore, we materialize our thoughts as much as possible drinks
          2. Ant
            Ant 5 November 2019 23: 17
            -1
            In general, yes, it would be better, otherwise we would not have gone to Russia to live and work from all the former. But the reverse process is not visible.
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 5 November 2019 23: 27
              -1
              Quote: Ant
              In general, yes, it would be better, otherwise we would not have gone to Russia to live and work from all the former. But the reverse process is not visible.

              And who is going? Tajiks? or are you talking about Moscow ethnic groups? What are you talking about?
              1. Ant
                Ant 5 November 2019 23: 37
                -1
                Not only Tajiks. Ukrainians, Belarusians, Georgians. We studied a lot of Kazakhs. I have no idea about Moscow time, I have never been there.
                Recently, even the Ukrainian ex-Minister of Propaganda Klimkin cried, saying that every twelfth Ukrainian works with the achressor wink
                But there is no reverse process. So yes, better. hi

                As for the achievements, what kind of achievements do they have? Museum of occupation? Giant embroidery? Russia at least has something created and built, there are achievements on the world stage, so yes - again better wink
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 5 November 2019 23: 52
                  -1
                  Ant (ant) Enough to drive already! stop You have ten accus per snout, and you write all the same crap. am
                  1. Ant
                    Ant 6 November 2019 00: 12
                    -1
                    Who has "you"? Personally, I have only one account - and I mostly just read. Secondly, what does it mean to drive - you can dispute something that I said somehow, or you can just scream "Lie!" capable?
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 2 November 2019 18: 25
      +2
      Quote: 1976AG
      Change the form is not a problem, the essence of this will not change.

      How much wine needs to be sold to change the shape. It is not "sickly" now, it is Soviet cotton with a cap, but "kirzachi" with footcloths cost a penny.
      1. Grits
        Grits 3 November 2019 02: 53
        +1
        Quote: tihonmarine
        How much wine needs to be sold to change the shape. It is not "sickly" now, it is Soviet cotton with a cap, but "kirzachi" with footcloths cost a penny.

        American companies sewing uniforms for soldiers and other uniforms are rubbing their hands in anticipation of a bold order. Like, let's, let's, dumb-headed savages are native, waiting for your money.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 5 November 2019 18: 26
          +1
          Quote: Gritsa
          Like, let's, let's, dumb-headed savages are native, waiting for your money.

          Well, why are they stupid savages? I remind you that many famous surgeons in the Russian Federation are ethnic Georgians! I also recall that Stalin was also a Georgian.
          Do you have anything else to say or is that all? "I croaked, but at least don't dawn there!" (Proverb.)
          1. Grits
            Grits 6 November 2019 02: 17
            0
            Quote: Stroporez
            Well, why are they stupid savages? I remind you that many famous surgeons in the Russian Federation are ethnic Georgians! I also recall that Stalin was also a Georgian.
            Do you have anything else to say or is that all? "I croaked, but at least don't dawn there!" (Proverb.)

            Re-read my post more carefully. Then you will understand on whose behalf the narration is being conducted. It's all about the context and knowledge of the basics of the Russian language.
            By the way, please pay attention, judging by the stripes, you have been on VO for a long time. Therefore, you should know that "poking" is not accepted here.
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 6 November 2019 02: 26
              +1
              Quote: Gritsa
              Re-read my post more carefully. Then you will understand on whose behalf the narration is being conducted.

              From the author and sho?
              Quote: Gritsa
              It's all about the context and knowledge of the basics of the Russian language.

              Just don’t start.
              Quote: Gritsa
              By the way, please pay attention, judging by the stripes, you have been on VO for a long time. Therefore, you should know that "poking" is not accepted here

              My colleague, from the time I’m here, everything has changed greatly to disgrace, so excuse me if hi And the stripes, well, the stripes ... as Meehan says, we will not die alive ", which is what we wish you drinks
      2. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 5 November 2019 18: 28
        +2
        Quote: tihonmarine
        This is a Soviet cotton with a garrison cap, but "kirzachi" with footcloths cost a penny.

        Under the Soviet regime, it all cost a penny, but now it’s a nail.
        Go ask the price how much "kirzachi" are now.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 5 November 2019 18: 52
          +1
          Quote: Stroporez
          Go ask the price how much "kirzachi" are now.

          In Tallinn 45 Euro (if the bottom is leather) Belarusian, all from "tarpaulin" 35 Euro, and then in the afternoon with fire.
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 5 November 2019 18: 54
            +1
            Quote: tihonmarine
            In Tallinn 45 Euro (if the bottom is leather) Belarusian, all from "tarpaulin" 35 Euro, and then in the afternoon with fire.

            In and I about the same!
  3. parkello
    parkello 2 November 2019 16: 47
    +2
    va .. belay es inc ka? Georgians decided to release the Su-25 again ... from what ?! request
    1. volodimer
      volodimer 2 November 2019 18: 26
      +8
      Take above, spare parts for F-35! Well, the very ones that were previously produced in Turkey. Do not stand idle for production, a company will be established in Adjara, Turkish products will be brought there, and Georgian labels will be glued. And everyone is happy, the Turks are riveting the product, Amers do not need to search and import substitutes, while officially maintaining the sanctions regime, but great Georgia will show that it is a very useful new member of the alliance.
      1. parkello
        parkello 2 November 2019 18: 34
        +4
        thanks, neighing from the heart laughing laughing
        1. volodimer
          volodimer 2 November 2019 18: 52
          +2
          Health, they say, that laughter prolongs life, it seems that these of our shortcomings, lack of neighbors with their anti-Russian lack of activity will provide us with eternal life. But laughing all the time ... is also not an option. wassat You go crazy after all bully
          1. parkello
            parkello 2 November 2019 18: 56
            +1
            and I'm already crazy wink laughing There is no Mavrgulis, the head physician is on vacation, a madhouse is walking) wink
      2. orionvitt
        orionvitt 2 November 2019 20: 46
        +2
        Quote: volodimer
        spare parts for F-35!

        And under the Union, everything that was done in Georgia was of terrible quality (except for wine and cheese). The same Su-25s, after assembly, were brought to mind in the aviation regiments themselves. Because there were a huge number of defects. And now, have the Georgians grown their hands?
    2. VeteranVSSSR
      VeteranVSSSR 2 November 2019 19: 23
      +4
      No, cars of all times and peoples, Colchis
      1. Rusfaner
        Rusfaner 3 November 2019 05: 58
        0
        He brushed away the tear on KAZ-608 - went through everything, to the screw, but she never went uphill - it overheated. After all, everything except the cab is ZiL-130V1 parts, and those assembled in Kutaisi ceased to be a machine!
        1. VeteranVSSSR
          VeteranVSSSR 3 November 2019 10: 43
          0
          For that, under the hill, like an eagle ...
  4. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 2 November 2019 16: 51
    +2
    Snot wiped away, the priest podrihtov after 2008, now what? Craving for a new shame? In nature, they will be maximum at a dance. Cannon fodder.
    1. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 2 November 2019 17: 10
      -1
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      here they will be maximum at a dance. Cannon fodder.

      Lord, but this does not surprise us - everything is on dance at first. First, staff members arrange a boil, they pull everyone in, and then try to get off, leaving the rest to disentangle. At old europe sometimes rays of insight flicker, and new remind a grenade - where the Americans will throw, they will fly there
      1. mvg
        mvg 3 November 2019 05: 08
        0
        First, staff members arrange a boil, they pull everyone in, and then try to get off

        That is how they jumped off in Iraq and Yugoslavia. Where did all the work.
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 3 November 2019 09: 56
          0
          Quote: mvg
          That is how they jumped off in Iraq and Yugoslavia.

          It seems that they are not going to leave the torn Yugoslavia, they just sat down on the "caravan paths". They cannot leave Iraq either: all democracy build fails
    2. volodimer
      volodimer 2 November 2019 18: 30
      +5
      Yes, they didn’t give up like a cannon, but the ability to move bases, radars, basing places, warehouses, etc. they will appreciate it. Still, a bummer with the Crimea greatly broke them good
    3. Grits
      Grits 3 November 2019 03: 00
      0
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      In nature, they will be maximum at a dance. Cannon fodder.

      So there are all the Young Europeans in this role. So it's not surprising. I think the Georgians themselves know this very well. But due to their innate "pride of the great mountain people" they are ready to dance humiliatingly and even periodically take the necessary poses. In spite of the northern neighbor.
  5. Ham
    Ham 2 November 2019 16: 52
    0
    The plans of the new Minister of Defense are to revive the Georgian military industry, including aviation.

    especially funny about aviation ... apparently, too, "Tukans" will be bought by
    1. volodimer
      volodimer 2 November 2019 18: 37
      +3
      "Toucans" ... and farts will not break? Who is now instead of Onishchenko, we will stop buying their wine and mineral water and that's it ... there won't be enough money for that either. Although for solving their local tasks, for protecting what is left, "Toucans" are quite a normal choice
      1. Oyo Sarkazmi
        Oyo Sarkazmi 3 November 2019 11: 28
        0
        The Georgians manganese (or chromium?) - Or a third, or a quarter of world production. While electricity is flowing from Russia, it is being mined. Another thing is that money flows directly to the United States - to the prayers of Scientologists and Baptists.
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 2 November 2019 16: 52
    +3
    And you friends, do not sit down ...
    And how did we miss Adjara? It's a pity Batumi ... In the sanatorium in Shimitokvaji it was wonderful! And palm trees ...
    1. Nycomed
      Nycomed 2 November 2019 18: 05
      -6
      In Adjara, it’s wonderful now. Ride it. That's no problem at all. hi
    2. Doctor
      Doctor 3 November 2019 14: 00
      +1
      At the sanatorium in Shimitokwaji it was wonderful!

      Chemitokvadzhe remained in Russia. Between Sochi and Lazarevsky.
  7. Prisoner
    Prisoner 2 November 2019 16: 53
    0
    Exactly! Be sure to change the diet and shape, this is important. Although, when we talked about studying military affairs in the present way, they meant something else. winked
  8. iouris
    iouris 2 November 2019 16: 53
    -4
    The Georgian leadership is afraid that they will have to answer for the occupation of the USSR.
  9. Lion ley
    Lion ley 2 November 2019 16: 58
    -3
    For some reason, the news reminded of an anecdote about the advice of a brothel cleaner: "When things started to go badly, they changed the staff, not moved the beds."
  10. HAM
    HAM 2 November 2019 16: 59
    -3
    Don't forget to make the main treadmills at the stadium!
    It will be useful ...
  11. Jerk
    Jerk 2 November 2019 17: 03
    +2
    Somewhere I already heard it ...
  12. knn54
    knn54 2 November 2019 17: 07
    -1
    -As reported by the Georgian Ministry of Defense, the new Minister of Defense plans to revive the Georgian military industry, including the aviation industry.

    Something I remembered anecdote (about the "mountain" tractor Colchis).
    "They ask the Georgian:
    - If the car is so good, why don’t you drive it yourself?
    - In great demand, we do not get "...
    The worst car is a tiger or lynx car from Kutaisi.
    It seems that the plane from Tbilisi
  13. Grigorievich
    Grigorievich 2 November 2019 17: 08
    +4
    I wonder how they will revive the aviation industry, At the aircraft factory that produced MIG21 spark, and then Su25 worked mainly Russians and even Russians lived in the neighborhood near the factory. Where did they get the specialists? For a long time, everyone left, there were a few Russians left in Georgia. I lived there and even worked a little at this factory.
    1. parkello
      parkello 2 November 2019 18: 43
      +4
      on 31 ohm? I did practice there ... and the plant was in the airport village, and then the road to the third massif went on. I had an uncle there, near the Batumi cinema ... the Russians dumped them from there back in the early 90s, everyone .. well who where to go. and the Ukrainians all left. and the Greeks escaped ... to be honest. winked my friends all left. some immediately after April 9th, 1989, and some remained, still hoping for something .. for what, it’s not clear. request they just had nowhere to run. here and stayed, although then, as they told me, everyone left ... there were only a few .da and those were no longer tenants in this world. sad
      1. Kusja
        Kusja 2 November 2019 22: 47
        +1
        Somewhere in the mountains, several native Russian villages were located - Bogdanovka, Kalinovka, as far as I remember .. More than 200 years ago Katerina evicted the die-hard from Voronezh province there. Well there now. My ancestors from there were on the paternal side ...
  14. Amateur
    Amateur 2 November 2019 17: 08
    -3
    as part of the reform, it is planned to replace the uniform of the Georgian armed forces,

    Will everyone be dressed in lace shorts with embroidered shirts and ghazyry?
  15. Kenxnumx
    Kenxnumx 2 November 2019 17: 11
    -16
    They are consistent.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 2 November 2019 17: 57
      +2
      Quote: Ken71
      They are consistent ...

      ... like all the little dogs - at first they run in circles, bark and screech, but as soon as someone older and more barks at them - they begin to whine, huddle at their feet and run into the bushes where they write and even poop ...
      1. Kenxnumx
        Kenxnumx 2 November 2019 18: 03
        -16
        Chantropa of course - the little things. But Georgia has 4 brigades, the Baltic states - 10 brigades, there is a division, there is a corps, Ukraine is happy. You look and gain strength at the invincible and legendary. It's me that good relations should be built, and not how to treat mongrels. They will be beaten to another force.
        1. cniza
          cniza 2 November 2019 18: 19
          +6
          We tried many times, as soon as you turn away, they begin to bite the nursing hand, so only the "belt" is ready and flog ...
          1. Kenxnumx
            Kenxnumx 2 November 2019 18: 22
            -13
            Or maybe they’ve tried so wrong. For some reason, the West succeeds. And we only need to organize hot spots at our neighbors and intimidate them more strongly.
            1. cniza
              cniza 2 November 2019 18: 41
              +8
              Read the story and don’t waste your nonsense ...
              1. Kenxnumx
                Kenxnumx 2 November 2019 19: 00
                -5
                Tell the history of the world and explain with a specific example?
                NATO has such a fad - not to accept countries with territorial problems. And it works. Georgia, Moldova, Ukraine. So it is also possible - I do not mind the way. But although they are not NATO members, they are allies with 50 million people for three, and it is not good for us. In your opinion, of course, do not care - we will defeat everyone. Assad and Maduro are for us. I doubt Lukashenko, and our Asians will not wrap the tail of the train, even if they fit.
                1. cniza
                  cniza 2 November 2019 19: 05
                  +6
                  You know, you have your own opinion on history, events, and I am not interested in it; I better read non-engaged historians, thank God there are enough of them.
                  1. Kenxnumx
                    Kenxnumx 2 November 2019 19: 08
                    -9
                    I will disappoint you. Each person has their own opinion. Find out who is closer to the truth in an adequate debate. I do not expect this from you. Look for those who are not biased - that is, things that correspond to your understanding.
                    1. Albert1988
                      Albert1988 2 November 2019 19: 24
                      +7
                      Quote: Ken71
                      I will disappoint you. Each person has their own opinion. Find out who is closer to the truth in an adequate debate. I do not expect this from you. Look for those who are not biased - that is, things that correspond to your understanding.

                      Say building relationships like the west? Okay it’s not a matter of granting loans under the most severe conditions, and if you rock it, then impose sanctions with one hand and shake the situation inside the country with the help of a tutelable fifth column and the relations will be just the warmest and most good-neighborly laughing
                      1. Kenxnumx
                        Kenxnumx 2 November 2019 20: 07
                        -6
                        You scored to buy the media and process the population qualitatively. And so we must do everything for the good of Russia
                      2. Albert1988
                        Albert1988 2 November 2019 22: 10
                        +2
                        Quote: Ken71
                        You scored to buy the media and process the population qualitatively. And so we must do everything for the good of Russia

                        Buying media is one of the first tasks! So everything is right - when our government builds relations with its neighbors in this vein, there will be respect, friendship, chewing gum, and peace hi
                      3. Kenxnumx
                        Kenxnumx 2 November 2019 22: 27
                        -3
                        Yes, Eugene. And if it will arrange hot spots, then no cheap energy and other nishtyaki will help. Relations should be predictable and at least in theory on an equal footing.
                      4. Albert1988
                        Albert1988 2 November 2019 23: 49
                        +2
                        Quote: Ken71
                        Yes, Eugene. And if it will arrange hot spots, then no cheap energy and other nishtyaki will help. Relations should be predictable and at least in theory on an equal footing.

                        Dear, what are you saying some childish things here? Adult uncles from Washington say so - if someone doesn't like it - we make a hot spot for the sake of protecting democracy, we really haven't really figured out what we are promoting there - either the "Russian world", or something else, but we try , we do everything exactly as the uncles from Washington say!
                        A predictable relationship? Of course, it's not a question - our partners-neighbors-comrades-brothers barked at us something wrong - they got a kick ... uh, I wanted to say a fair and proportional answer in the face of "humanitarian intervention" or all kinds of "sanctions"))) ) Everything, again, like big uncles and adults in the White House do, although from time to time, children's friendship breaks through, alas ...
                        Equal relations say? It is also not a question - everyone has equal rights, but for some they are slightly more equal, well, who has more ... missile systems))) Again, everything is according to serious uncles from Washington))))
                        True, there is one snag - the guys from Washington, they are, of course, serious, only now they just arrange all these serious and adult things for the sake of those "cheap hydrocarbons and nishtyaks", but we have a problem creeping out - there are already nishtyaks with hydrocarbons ... But I give an honest pioneer - we will study diligently and we will definitely learn all the lessons of strict uncles from Washington! You will see - after 2020, we will definitely figure out why to expose freedom and cause democracy! And what rights of our oligarchs are violated by the legitimate governments of neighboring countries, too, we can think of! And what our common human values ​​someone does not share there too! bully
                        In general, I promise that we will finally break with this Soviet past and embark on the path of freedom, democracy and a civilized society! And we will fulfill the annual norm for humanitarian bombing! And then this is still a little tough ...
                      5. edmed
                        edmed 3 November 2019 03: 38
                        +1
                        Quote: Albert1988
                        subject freedom and cause democracy

                        "And what, so it is possible ?!" Here we did not know the bast shoes, we will know and apply laughing
                      6. Albert1988
                        Albert1988 3 November 2019 13: 52
                        +1
                        Quote: edmed
                        And what, so it is possible ?! "Here we did not know the bast shoes, we will know and apply

                        But imagine! We, dark and uneducated, thought that it was not only necessary to be friends with neighbors, to help if for nothing, both materially and militaryly ...
                        And it actually looks like a smart one, something civilized! It’s necessary to bomb, create fifth columns, push the purchased media!
                        But nothing, we will know, now we are scientists!
                      7. Kenxnumx
                        Kenxnumx 4 November 2019 13: 12
                        0
                        You have written many words, but there is little sense in them. You do not like freedom and democracy. Ok, this is your choice.
                      8. Albert1988
                        Albert1988 4 November 2019 19: 55
                        +1
                        Quote: Ken71
                        You have written many words, but there is little sense in them. You do not like freedom and democracy. Ok, this is your choice.

                        You know, in your small number of words the meaning fits even less)))
                        Now about freedom and democracy: your passage is as if we were arguing about color preferences and then someone showed that you do not like fluffy things)))
                        Well, the right word, what is the relationship "freedom and democracy", some mythical, have to do with the foreign policy of countries? Won - the most democratic and free country of the United States has unleashed such a number of military conflicts in one century, which some tyrannical empires could not unleash even for 300 years)))) Well, the methods of subjugating its allies in this very democratic country are much tougher even than in some of the colonial empires of the past!
                        So we can safely say that I like freedom and democracy, really like it! After all, you can bomb everyone, drive them into debt, undermine the domestic political situation, push all kinds of misinformation through the media, and no one will say a word to you - it's all for the sake of freedom and democracy! wassat
                      9. Kenxnumx
                        Kenxnumx 4 November 2019 20: 12
                        -2
                        Well do you like freedom and democracy as a principle? Realization - let's say the Czech Republic is close to us. We have a country. Big, rich. Why do we have to climb into Georgia, Moldova, Ukraine, Syria, Venezuela, Africa. If someone from a foreign Russian wants to live in Russia, we also welcome all possible help, if not, excuse your choice. You need a national idea - and everything is simple - the well-being of Russians - if government decisions lead to growth - then yes, if not - then why such a government. Free elections, freedom for business - what's bad. What is bad in democracy - the power of the people. People hire officials — and officials owe people, not the other way around. And for this, laws should allow, and not prohibit, more and more every year. And money should be invested in the country, and not in dubious experiments abroad. Look at VO - after all, all the same enemies are everything. Well, the USA, there are Poland and other Baltic states. So is the Norgi with the Swedes. Have you ever wondered why?
                      10. Albert1988
                        Albert1988 4 November 2019 21: 29
                        -1
                        Quote: Ken71
                        Well do you like freedom and democracy as a principle? Realization - let's say the Czech Republic is close to us. We have a country. Big, rich. Why do we have to climb into Georgia, Moldova, Ukraine, Syria, Venezuela, Africa.

                        For the same, why does rich America creep into Georgia, Moldova, Ukraine, Syria, Africa))

                        "You need a national idea - and everything is simple - the welfare of Russians - if government decisions lead to growth - then yes, if not - then why such a government. Free elections, freedom for business - what's wrong. What's wrong with democracy - the power of the people. People hires officials - and officials owe the people, and not vice versa. And for this the laws should allow, not prohibit more and more every year. And money should be invested in the country, not in dubious experiments abroad. "

                        Dear, why then do the same US do something there abroad?
                        I tell you, if you have not yet emerged from a purely Soviet socialist political childhood, internal well-being is often extremely dependent on foreign policy! I probably revealed a secret to you! Why are we climbing into Georgia and Ukraine? The answer is simple - they, having received from us a lot of money of gratuitous material assistance, forgiven Soviet debts, having open borders with us, climbed into the European Union and NATO, which are a threat to us economically and militarily (why - think for yourself). And we, not being able to completely politically liquidate these states, which showed an unfriendly act towards us, we create critical problems for them that will not allow them to effectively move the previous course. True, we are also actively helped in this by the "that side" that wants to liquidate the economy of at least Ukraine, as its own competitive in many areas and potentially useful for our economy. And what are we in Syria? And so that there is no gas pipeline from Qatar to Turkey and further to Europe! And if there were, then on our terms! And what is it for us? and so that cheap alternative uncontrolled gas does not enter the European market, except for ours. And what is it for us? And for the internal well-being, unexpectedly right?

                        So my advice to you is to grow out of Soviet childhood, where all problems between peoples are solved through "friendship." and internal well-being is achieved exclusively by internal affairs))))

                        And a parting word from Cecil Rhodes - "empire is a matter of the stomach" ...
                      11. Kenxnumx
                        Kenxnumx 4 November 2019 21: 52
                        -2
                        Personally, I don’t care what the United States does, and I don’t understand why we should oppose the United States everywhere. Let China fight the United States if they are interested. To strengthen the army - yes, to develop the economy - yes, including international projects. Climbing into dubious adventures and supporting foreign regimes is not, well, or conditionally, if it is directly economically profitable. The benefit of Russian citizens is the main criterion. From this point of view, most of the foreign policy projects since 2012 are directly catastrophically unprofitable. And again, you don’t need stupidity about the gas pipeline to Europe from Qatar through Syria. This stupidity is already just tired. Take a look at the map. And Qatar does not need it. LNG steers. In Europe, LNG reception facilities are being built and it is all cheaper. BUT even if he had this gas. So what. Are you sure that selling our gas in such volumes is good? Soon it will be necessary to develop difficult northern deposits for yourself. Well and so on. Good luck to you.
                      12. Albert1988
                        Albert1988 4 November 2019 23: 32
                        -1
                        Quote: Ken71
                        Personally, I don’t care what the United States does, and I don’t understand why we should oppose the United States everywhere.

                        Again childhood - if the United States, for example, wants to squeeze us out of the European gas market, then of course we don’t have to confront them, let the country lose 20% of its income without preparation overnight, how will this affect the welfare of citizens?
                        Quote: Ken71
                        Let China fight the United States if they are interested.

                        China, just does not want to fight the United States, but does this somehow affect the fact that the United States themselves want to fight with China?
                        Quote: Ken71
                        And again, you don’t need stupidity about the gas pipeline to Europe from Qatar through Syria. This stupidity is already just tired. Take a look at the map. And Qatar does not need it. LNG steers. In Europe, LNG reception facilities are being built and it is all cheaper.

                        Oooooooo, yes! LNG is cheaper, of course, than pipeline gas)))) Aha, twice)))))
                        Quote: Ken71
                        So what. Are you sure that selling our gas in such volumes is good? Soon it will be necessary to develop difficult northern deposits for yourself.

                        And, that is, the "welfare" of citizens no longer means anything to you, and you are ready to live a couple of decades in poverty while there is a substitute for income from hydrocarbons? Well, well, good luck to be in childhood, the old Soviet socialist childhood, where there were peace-friendship-chewing gum hi hi hi
                      13. Kenxnumx
                        Kenxnumx 4 November 2019 23: 38
                        -1
                        See budget revenues from gas sales. You will be amazed how insignificant they are in the total volume. Gasification of Russia itself will help rather well-being
                      14. Albert1988
                        Albert1988 4 November 2019 23: 41
                        0
                        Quote: Ken71
                        See budget revenues from gas sales. You will be amazed how insignificant they are in the total volume. Gasification of Russia itself will help rather well-being

                        Firstly, they are not so insignificant, secondly, it is one hundred percent income, thirdly, why then are everyone so eager to get this insignificant income? even the Americans got caught up. Maybe because there is not only cash income taking place?
                        But gasification of Russia is good, only we live in a capitalist country, how will you pay the gas owner?
                      15. Kenxnumx
                        Kenxnumx 5 November 2019 21: 14
                        -1
                        Well, see for yourself. Income is not so and one hundred percent. The power of Siberia most likely will not pay off or will reach a minimum profitability. Nord Stream 2 by the way, too. To provide manufacturers with at least some profit, they will receive tax preferences. That is, roughly speaking - you and I will get almost nothing from this gas. And the debts of state corporations are our debts. To put it in a good way - it was not worth it to get into a dog with the Ukrainians, it caused us terrible damage. Not to mention morality, internationalism and so on, but here either politics or economics. That is, summarizing - pipeline gas - of course cheap, if not you built the pipe. Therefore, ours are also building LNG. LNG is the trend of our time - it gives freedom and cheaper. Moreover, from long-term contracts typical of pipelines they go to auctions, where it may turn out that the price of LNG may be lower according to the situation. In short, Eugene in this area is much more complicated than you think. And those damn lawsuits. And here it is not necessary to relate easily - we can blow it.
                      16. Albert1988
                        Albert1988 5 November 2019 23: 13
                        +1
                        Quote: Ken71
                        The power of Siberia most likely will not pay off or will reach a minimum profitability. Nord Stream 2 by the way, too.

                        do you know what's important here? The main thing here is "if-yes-if" - everything will pay off there, and more than once, serious people have invested serious money there, and most importantly, it is foreign serious people who have invested their serious money, and not only our would-be oligarchs , and those gentlemen will not invest in the "stranded".
                        Quote: Ken71
                        That is, roughly speaking - you and I will get almost nothing from this gas.

                        And if this gas is not sold, then we won’t get anything from it, because it is someone’s property, and we will have to pay even more for it, in the capitalist world, we live with ...
                        Quote: Ken71
                        To provide manufacturers with at least some profit, they will receive tax preferences.

                        Again "would-yes-if-in-the-field-mushrooms grew", sofa onalitega, 80th level)))) The taxes there are just such from this the state fights, that mother do not cry)))
                        Quote: Ken71
                        To put it in a good way, it was not worth it to get into a dog with the Ukrainians, it caused us terrible damage.

                        Oh yes, of course. but it’s nothing that Ukrainians began to hang out with us, defending their right to steal our gas, that is, according to your logic, to steal from your pocket?
                        Russia calmly, before all these Timoshenko-type Yushchenko puppies, drove gas to them, and at a meager price, but it was not enough yellow-black, so they ran into ...
                        Quote: Ken71
                        Without speaking for morality internationalism and other

                        Is childhood played again, socialist? When will you begin to think in terms of bourgeois democracy? What is the main principle of the bourgeoisie? "There is no such crime that cannot be committed for the sake of profit" and period)))
                        Quote: Ken71
                        but here either politics or economics.

                        I will disappoint you - or I can’t stand between them - in the capitalist world, politics is done exclusively for the sake of the economy, otherwise big uncles will not lift a finger if there is no benefit))))
                        Quote: Ken71
                        That is, summing up - pipeline gas - is certainly cheap, if not you built the pipe.

                        And who told you that only we are building the pipe and only with our money? In the same joint venture, 2 half belong to the Germans and other Caucasians))))
                        Quote: Ken71
                        Therefore, ours are also building LNG. LNG is the trend of our time - it gives freedom and cheaper.

                        Og, the trend, made fun! It’s just from something that everyone who doesn’t have an insurmountable border in the form of the sea-okiyan is building pipelines)))) LNG has only one advantage - if you don’t drag the pipeline from Siberia to Japan, it’s seismic, and you can carry LNG from their terminals it’s already a lot, and it’s also possible to carry it across the oceans, to all kinds of England))) That’s why our LNG are being built - to carry gas to where you can’t drag the pipe, or it won’t pay off)))
                        Quote: Ken71
                        Especially since long-term contracts typical of pipelines go to auctions, where it may turn out that the price of LNG may be lower in the situation.

                        As practice shows, no one really leaves, everyone wants stability, and temporary dumping on LNG will ultimately result in a huge increase in prices after squeezing out competitors, and everyone understands this)
                        Quote: Ken71
                        In short, Eugene in this area is much more complicated than you think.

                        Namely, the problem is that you all imagine much more primitive than me - through the pink glasses of the Soviet socialist childhood, where there was a world-friendship-chewing gum and all the chick-peaks, which all sensible people played in the early 90s, when everyone understood. that the world of capitalism is a world of predators, where either you eat or eat you, and there is no third, one bourgeois gets rich only when 10 others go bankrupt ...
                        Quote: Ken71
                        And those damn lawsuits.

                        On which all do not care, even seems to be the plaintiffs themselves))))
                        Quote: Ken71
                        And here it is not necessary to relate easily - we can blow it.

                        And who told you that someone is easy going? The situation is difficult - there is a desperate squabble over the markets, because capitalism has grown to a "plateau" and then only global stagnation, which in capitalism will inevitably cause a global crisis of such magnitude that 2008 will be remembered on the stock exchanges as blessed times ...
                      17. Kenxnumx
                        Kenxnumx 5 November 2019 23: 54
                        -1
                        I was interested to hear your opinion. But in some questions in my opinion it is purely amateurish. With all due respect, of course
                      18. Albert1988
                        Albert1988 6 November 2019 20: 04
                        0
                        Quote: Ken71
                        But in some questions in my opinion it is purely amateurish.

                        As with you, in fact, specialists who understand this issue do not sit on this forum. they sit in high offices and make big dibs)))
                      19. Kenxnumx
                        Kenxnumx 6 November 2019 22: 09
                        0
                        Yes, of course. Nevertheless, believe what I wrote. :)
                      20. Albert1988
                        Albert1988 7 November 2019 21: 01
                        0
                        Quote: Ken71
                        Yes, of course. Nevertheless, believe what I wrote. :)

                        Only when you believe what I wrote)))))))
                      21. Albert1988
                        Albert1988 4 November 2019 21: 32
                        0
                        Quote: Ken71
                        Look at VO - after all, all the same enemies are everything. Well, the USA, there are Poland and other Baltic states. So is the Norgi with the Swedes. Have you ever wondered why?


                        And you read similar forums in the States, Norway, Poland, Sweden - there will also be enemies all around, even those whom we think should be friends)))) The answer is simple - there is a category of people for whom ALL enemies are, and this category of journalists, which for the first category throws up material to taste)))))
                      22. 1976AG
                        1976AG 2 November 2019 22: 23
                        +2
                        Quote: Ken71
                        You scored to buy the media and process the population qualitatively. And so we must do everything for the good of Russia

                        You don’t owe anything - you don’t get into the main thing to us, otherwise you’re tired
                      23. Kenxnumx
                        Kenxnumx 2 November 2019 22: 25
                        -4
                        And what country do you live in, Lesha. And then I like to visit different countries on vacation, otherwise I’ll disturb your peace.
                      24. 1976AG
                        1976AG 2 November 2019 22: 26
                        +1
                        Quote: Ken71
                        And what country do you live in, Lesha. And then I like to visit different countries on vacation, otherwise I’ll disturb your peace.

                        And you sit at home. And then just do not break
                      25. Kenxnumx
                        Kenxnumx 2 November 2019 22: 32
                        -5
                        Lesha, the country of soviets was covered for a long time, especially uninvited. However, if I need your advice, I will definitely ask you.
                      26. 1976AG
                        1976AG 3 November 2019 08: 03
                        0
                        Quote: Ken71
                        Lesha, the country of soviets was covered for a long time, especially uninvited. However, if I need your advice, I will definitely ask you.

                        So you yourself asked me! And I answered.
                      27. Kenxnumx
                        Kenxnumx 4 November 2019 13: 04
                        -2
                        I asked you which country you live in. Judging by the fact that you do not understand the Russian text, it’s not in Russia
                      28. 1976AG
                        1976AG 4 November 2019 13: 59
                        0
                        Quote: Ken71
                        I asked you which country you live in. Judging by the fact that you do not understand the Russian text, it’s not in Russia

                        You do not want to disturb my peace - I told you to do it. This is your difficulty with understanding.
                      29. Kenxnumx
                        Kenxnumx 4 November 2019 14: 01
                        -2
                        That is, in order not to disturb your peace, I should spend my holidays at home in the country in Russia. Your criteria for rest are interesting. But the question was about the country. Obviously you are so embarrassed about your whereabouts that you cannot name the country.
                      30. 1976AG
                        1976AG 4 November 2019 14: 03
                        -1
                        Well, I’m just in Russia, so you probably need to sell a summer house
                      31. Kenxnumx
                        Kenxnumx 4 November 2019 14: 10
                        -1
                        It’s more likely for you to tie up to give unsolicited advice
                      32. 1976AG
                        1976AG 4 November 2019 14: 11
                        -1
                        You asked - I answered. When will it finally reach you?
                      33. Kenxnumx
                        Kenxnumx 4 November 2019 14: 17
                        -1
                        Well done major, I finally realized that you are from Russia. Is free
                      34. 1976AG
                        1976AG 4 November 2019 14: 31
                        -1
                        I thought you understood this a long time ago, but overestimated your abilities
                      35. Kenxnumx
                        Kenxnumx 4 November 2019 14: 32
                        -2
                        You were so embarrassed about your country that from principle I wanted to squeeze out its name from you
                      36. 1976AG
                        1976AG 4 November 2019 14: 35
                        -1
                        Once again for the slow-witted - I thought you understood everything for a long time, I don’t see anything complicated, but now when you have to write the same thing 10 times, I understand that you have big problems with this. But the imagination, although sick, but rich. To come up with what I was ashamed of is also necessary to be able to. But here, getting into milk
                      37. Kenxnumx
                        Kenxnumx 4 November 2019 14: 38
                        -1
                        Okay calm down. You haven’t been interesting to me for a long time. You need great shocks, I’m Great Russia
                      38. 1976AG
                        1976AG 4 November 2019 14: 41
                        -1
                        Do not draw conclusions who needs what - you still do not know how. And since it’s not interesting, what are you writing here?
                      39. cniza
                        cniza 2 November 2019 20: 50
                        +3
                        The guy lives in his illusory world and it seems he should not interfere. drinks
                      40. Albert1988
                        Albert1988 2 November 2019 22: 09
                        +1
                        Quote: cniza
                        The guy lives in his illusory world and it seems he should not interfere.

                        So I sincerely support him in this)))))
            2. 1976AG
              1976AG 2 November 2019 22: 22
              -1
              Quote: Ken71
              Or maybe they’ve tried so wrong. For some reason, the West succeeds. And we only need to organize hot spots at our neighbors and intimidate them more strongly.

              What does the West get there ?? Build a good relationship? They have friends only for grandmothers and out of fear. Do not tell people - everyone knows what such friendship is worth. And also ask the Turks and Kurds, everything is still fresh from them ..
              1. mvg
                mvg 3 November 2019 05: 18
                -2
                England, Australia, never failed the United States. Yes, many live normally. Do you have such allies?
                1. 1976AG
                  1976AG 4 November 2019 21: 14
                  -1
                  Quote: mvg
                  England, Australia, never failed the United States. Yes, many live normally. Do you have such allies?

                  You still remember Papua New Guinea)) And we also have such allies: Transdniestria, South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Serbia, Venezuela, Cuba .. to continue to sell?
                  1. mvg
                    mvg 4 November 2019 21: 33
                    -1
                    Very funny ... laughing to death. South Ossetia is a subsidized region, there are several tens of thousands of residents left, the average city of Russia is larger. Abkhazia is the same. Serbia has 7 million people, in 5 years it will be in NATO, Venezuela is a tyrant ruler, a country, with all its wealth, in poverty. Who is she in the Union with? We are defending it, since we have invested money there, as the "Golden Calf" Cuba has not been an ally for a long time, the roll will allow us to place a base. The country lives in the 60-70s of the last century.
                    So who do we have a rich history with? With Tito from Yugoslavia? From Venezuela to Chavez? With Ossetia or Abkhazia, for two for two decades?
                    PS: Do not paint stupid things
                    1. 1976AG
                      1976AG 4 November 2019 21: 44
                      -1
                      Read the story and do not disgrace, wise guy
                2. 1976AG
                  1976AG 4 November 2019 21: 17
                  0
                  And if you count with whom we normally live, then with more than half of the republics of the Soviet Socialist Republic plus China, India, Laos, Brazil, South Africa .. damn, tired of typing
                  1. mvg
                    mvg 4 November 2019 21: 35
                    0
                    China, India, Laos, Brazil, South Africa.

                    Not with any of these countries. All temporary partners that use us .. each in their own way
                    1. 1976AG
                      1976AG 4 November 2019 21: 42
                      -1
                      That is, we do not live normally with them?) Well, these are your fantasies) We have normal trade relations with them, and for many years we are not enemies. If this is not normal for you, then we just have different criteria for evaluating norms. They use us, and we use them - this is a mutual benefit. Didn't you know?
  16. Gruzdevav
    Gruzdevav 2 November 2019 17: 12
    0
    Apparently a lot of money was formed after a successful holiday season.
  17. Ivan_2
    Ivan_2 2 November 2019 17: 14
    0
    Yes, NATO can still be done on the model, but how will they revive the industry of the military-industrial complex, it is not so simple, where will they get specialists from? Naive dreams are nothing more.
  18. Armata T-14
    Armata T-14 2 November 2019 17: 15
    0
    Will change the uniform? All give up
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 2 November 2019 18: 01
      +1
      Quote: Armata T-14
      Will change the uniform? All give up

      No matter what you dress a monkey in, it’s all one: either the tail hangs, or the bare back flashes, or the ears stick out in different directions.
  19. ASASHOKA
    ASASHOKA 2 November 2019 17: 18
    -2
    The Georgian army will receive a new uniform, equipment and change the diet, and the country's military bases will be brought to NATO standards.

    It is amusing to read such statements by the poor army of the poor state. It’s a pity the minds of people reading this and their time spent on it.
  20. igorlvov
    igorlvov 2 November 2019 17: 21
    +3
    The battle did not last long:
    Timid Georgians fled!
    1. igorlvov
      igorlvov 2 November 2019 18: 35
      +4
      wow how many timid rodents are here
      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 2 November 2019 19: 26
        +2
        Quote: igorlvov
        wow how many timid rodents are here

        There are a lot of both timid and non-profitable ones in the vastness of the site, only they are timid for that, that it is scary to appear and say something openly, they can only sculpt minuses)))
  21. czes
    czes 2 November 2019 17: 21
    0
    Why spread PR of a hostile state? "... the revival of the Georgian military industry, including the aviation industry." Where does poverty-stricken Georgia get the funds for the aviation INDUSTRY?
  22. Well done
    Well done 2 November 2019 17: 45
    +1
    and change the diet

    Will Georgians get fast food? Fat little nosed georgians ... laughing
  23. Nycomed
    Nycomed 2 November 2019 18: 03
    -3
    And will they order a uniform like the new Ukrainian? Where does everything shine?
  24. cniza
    cniza 2 November 2019 18: 17
    0
    Georgia will bring all military bases to NATO standards and change uniform


    You can still change the furniture, but this will not help ...
  25. Playerman
    Playerman 2 November 2019 18: 50
    0
    "including aviation." Wow, did the Gabounists also build planes? Honestly, I don't remember that!
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 2 November 2019 19: 03
      +5
      Built on their territory Su-25, naturally, not the indigenous population. Aborigines in the bazaars traded, or engaged in underground business.
      1. Playerman
        Playerman 2 November 2019 19: 08
        +3
        So I think, where do they get aviation from? Let the sheep graze further and grow the grapes. No need for adult uncles to get into their business. !!!
    2. 1976AG
      1976AG 4 November 2019 21: 23
      0
      Quote: PlayerMan
      "including aviation." Wow, did the Gabounists also build planes? Honestly, I don't remember that!

      If my memory serves me, the Su-25 was assembled in Tbilisi, but when it was ..!
  26. 1976AG
    1976AG 2 November 2019 18: 59
    +3
    The first time I see that everyone would have cons !!!) Either the Georgian moderators, or one I’ll connect my whole family to put all the cons) Well, minus - do not fight !!!)
  27. forester1971
    forester1971 2 November 2019 19: 27
    +2
    By NATO standards, chacha should be replaced with whiskey in diets and then they will be invincible.
  28. sir_obs
    sir_obs 2 November 2019 20: 13
    +1
    "And you, friends, no matter how you sit down;
    You’re not good at musicians. "

    All by grandfather Krylov
  29. Sasha from Uralmash
    Sasha from Uralmash 2 November 2019 21: 10
    -1
    That's right! Crap alone is scary! And with Nata, as it were, not really.
  30. Goral
    Goral 2 November 2019 21: 15
    -2
    Not a single normal comment, only some kind of evil outpouring of bile. Not even a brief analysis of why Georgia seeks NATO, nor a desire to understand why Russia's objectively natural (and only) ally in the Caucasus seeks to isolate itself with all its fibers from its neighbor
    1. Evil echo
      Evil echo 2 November 2019 21: 38
      +3
      It's just that Russia has stopped feeding and maintaining. All hope for a new "dancer" (who feeds, he will "dance").
      1. Goral
        Goral 2 November 2019 22: 26
        -3
        Instead of gibbering at the nonsense of propaganda, take the trouble to look at information about the Georgian economy, budget and living standards. During the Soviet era, there was a bias towards "more to receive than to give", but since 1993, and even more so since 2004, it’s enough to spread these tales. Look at least at the share of Russia in the Georgian economy. Export to Russia - 13,6% of total Export. Import - 10,2%. And this is now - because of the alleged "thaw" between the countries. Previously, there were generally funny numbers.
        1. 1976AG
          1976AG 2 November 2019 22: 32
          +4
          In Soviet times, we provided all necessary Georgia, as well as many other republics. And when Lafa ended, they began to look for another cash cow. That's all analytics. Let them work themselves - not figs at the expense of others live.
          1. Goral
            Goral 3 November 2019 17: 27
            -1
            In Soviet times, you did not provide Georgia with anything. In Soviet times, Georgia and other republics were provided by the USSR (all republics together) as Georgia was provided by other republics. But of course the share of received was more than the share of given. And you can repeat the next stupidity about the Laf as you feel comfortable - from this stupidity will not become wisdom or fact. For the third decade, the country has provided for itself, and these wise men still think that they are dependent on someone. Not your desire to move your brain, or at least your fingers to google. Level however ....
    2. dauria
      dauria 3 November 2019 00: 11
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      nor the desire to understand why the objectively natural (and only) ally of Russia in the Caucasus is striving to isolate itself with its fibers from its neighbor


      Georgian Stalin laid out everything on the shelves back in 1903, and in 1913 repeated it in his work
      "Marxism and the national question"

      capitalism awakens ... the struggle of the "petty bourgeoisie of the oppressed nation against the big bourgeoisie of the commanding nation."

      For a simple reason - Georgian oligarchs will not fall under Moscow just like that, without a whip. They will not give their trough to the Kremlin boars. Everything is simple. And the people have nothing to do with it.
      1. Evil echo
        Evil echo 3 November 2019 10: 15
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        at the oligarchs raged on the streets? il oligarchs also demolish monuments?
    3. Ros 56
      Ros 56 3 November 2019 08: 48
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      You are fine with literacy, "Niodny" is written separately, this is in the first place. Secondly, it is customary for Russians to evaluate the behavior of countries, people and their actions in full (globally), and not to break it down into components - "I play here, I don't play here, but here they wrap the fish" and therefore they refer to those who betrayed them respectively. So turn all claims to yourself. As the ingenious Krylov said, "what is considered to be a gossip to work, it is not better to turn to a godfather"
      1. Goral
        Goral 3 November 2019 17: 31
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        Nerd, this grammar can read and write in your Russian and 5 more languages, and you won't blunder a single word in Georgian, except for the ginarzhob and Borzhom that were improperly serrated in Soviet times. And what pathos - betrayal, the Russians in full volume ... you will moderate your neo-imperial fumes and you will be normal with the neighbors. Cut slices from neighboring countries and still wonder why they hate you. Pah ...
        1. Ros 56
          Ros 56 4 November 2019 08: 06
          +1
          grammite
          wrong

          This is not me writing, this is from the answer of the reader and writer in five languages.
          How does it make you when they tell you the truth. I’m used to being stroked all my life through wool. We have never had imperial burns, if you would, you would still be jumping in the mountains. Speaking of birds, you don’t know who in the USSR they supplied the best, I can say Georgia and tribaltes.
          Well, the last thing about the pieces, you are bitters with banderlogs, neither Abkhazia nor Ossetia have ever been Georgian, these are Russian tsars and Soviet leaders (Stalin, Beria) have attached pieces to you, and I won’t even write about Ukraine for the gifted and enough pictures
          1. Goral
            Goral 4 November 2019 23: 28
            -1
            wise guy, when you write transliteration and you’ll make such mistakes, but can you say a few words in NON-Russian that you’re unbearable? Not enough neyrons? How can you still be cured of sick people with neo-imperial Shvinism ball .... In the head of the tumbleweed field, and ambition and agility - will sit in the shit and still give him the Third Rome ....
            By the way, about the birds - strain the remaining couple of neurons and read the "professor" above where I wrote about the fact that Georgia received more than it gave. But apparently you can't read Russian either. And you are our adolfovich (nadp as bawling about peoples) with your nonsense about banderlogs and piecemeal chauvinists to those smart guys who don't know a damn thing about the history of their neighbors. It has never been Georgia and the kings tried it ... :-)))) church after church, inscriptions, graves, tombs of the kings, everything is Georgian and this two-neuron will teach here :-)))
            1. Ros 56
              Ros 56 5 November 2019 10: 57
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              Exactly, that’s exactly how you yell at the bazaar, and as soon as they squeeze you, you start right away - listen to my brother, I, not me, and not my hut. I knew sensible Georgians, you weren’t one of them, they installed and adjusted serious devices in medical institutions and perfectly understood what nationalists are. And you forgot who you owe even to the fact that he was born and here you open your mouth on the site. The Turks have already crushed Batum for themselves, we’ll see what you sing when the whole Georgia is crushed for you, you only scratch your tongues and gopnitsya in Russia, then you would shut your mouth and shut up.
              1. Goral
                Goral 10 November 2019 00: 28
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                In what market is the idiot? Do not confuse your sovkovo stereotypes with realities. Where do Georgians sit in bazaars? You can't tell Central Asian from a Georgian, but you still pass off some stupid chatter with an idiotic accent as Georgian-Russian. How are you all the same - unicellular chauvinists, fans of the Fuhrer, here is a Nazi and there "grandfathers fought." Ugh .... I owe my birth to my father, I don't know about you, it's not even interesting. And here I open my mouth because the forum and website are filled with outright nonsense, nonsense and elementary lies about Georgia. If you are looking for the truth, you need to have the courage to listen and understand the opposite side, even if it is so disgusting to you that "you cannot eat." I knew and know excellent Russians with whom I have been friends for several decades. And they are well aware of the deceitful and boundlessly ant-Russian essence of the current regime in Russia. But I'm sure everything will be fine. By the way, I am a completely pro-Russian Georgian, as I am sure that we are the only really allied and close peoples in the Caucasus and in the Black Sea-Caspian Sea region. However, the imperial illness of your king has reduced everything to a minimum. But something doesn't last forever. And he will be gone. So sit down yourself and keep quiet, especially since everyone is already imprisoned from left to right for one wrong word. Have sunk ....
  31. Evil echo
    Evil echo 2 November 2019 21: 35
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    Voluntary preparation for the occupation. And the girls will probably be brought from dill?
  32. Sasha from Uralmash
    Sasha from Uralmash 2 November 2019 21: 59
    -1
    The brave Georgians fled ...! Further everything does not make sense to comment!
  33. Berkut24
    Berkut24 2 November 2019 22: 07
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    The Georgian army will receive a new uniform, equipment and change the diet, and the country's military bases will be brought to NATO standards.

    In short, translated into Russian. The burka was canceled, the kebab with chacha was changed to a hamburger with cola, the huts with barbecue were changed to tents with high-tech potbelly stoves. But still, the Americans will not work out of them.
  34. NBV
    NBV 2 November 2019 22: 09
    -1
    Quote: Grigorievich
    I wonder how they will revive the aviation industry. At the aircraft factory that produced the MIG21 spark, and then Su25 worked mainly Russian

    But is there only Russian aircraft and technology in world aviation? I don’t think so.
  35. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 2 November 2019 22: 10
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    ... as part of the reform, it is planned to replace the uniform of the Georgian armed forces, completely update the equipment of the military, and also change the diet.

    Star-striped underpants with zip under the coccyx and burgers are not the determining factor ...
  36. Klingon
    Klingon 2 November 2019 22: 29
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    just imagined * gruzinsky daraga of vaena plane * and instead of bombs they will drop khachapuri and khinkali wassat lol laughing
  37. akarfoxhound
    akarfoxhound 2 November 2019 22: 52
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    "Revival of the Georgian military industry, including the aviation" - what is he talking about? When all the Russian specialists left the Tbilisi plant at once, taking the blueprints with them, the Caucasian shepherds had only to mold a dozen of incomplete Su-25s and that was the end of the "industry". Jews with IAI added their avionics in several. All...
    Provided that the aircraft assembled in the Georgian SSR were very cool in the most disgusting way in terms of build quality from their counterparts from other plants. Su-25 Tbilisi from Su-25UB UlanUdinsky - like a Lada about a Ferrari.
  38. Protos
    Protos 2 November 2019 23: 42
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    "Comrade Georgians study military affairs in a real way !!! We'll come and check it out !!! 71 SMRs"
    Gori, 2008.
    bully
  39. Disorder
    Disorder 3 November 2019 01: 12
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    And what have they been doing since 2008? Warehousing junk from all over Europe?
  40. Goshat
    Goshat 3 November 2019 01: 31
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    It is high time that we introduced the official classification of state entities according to their degree of colonial dependence. The world map will immediately lose dozens of colors, and we won’t need to be surprised again and again at these or those steps of one or another government education directed against our own statehood and interests for the benefit of outsiders.
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  42. Evil 55
    Evil 55 3 November 2019 04: 26
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    They also need to issue fat to the badger and implant the compass in order to be able to use it. They knew how to lubricate the heels, and where to run, when they will again fly off ..
  43. nikvic46
    nikvic46 3 November 2019 08: 01
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    I am a man of the past. Why Soviet Russia was able to create the USSR. Certainly not attractive. Russia promised to give equal rights to the poor. And while we praise the rich, everything will remain at the current level. We have our rich, they have their own. Attractiveness can only be in social equality.
  44. Ros 56
    Ros 56 3 November 2019 08: 30
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    What Colchis will again begin to produce? laughing And as for the aviation industry, he got excited, what they once did planes, let them forget like a beautiful dream.
  45. musorg
    musorg 3 November 2019 11: 35
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    Ukraine is already doing this and the Kurds wanted, but they threw them on time. What naive gentlemen are you Georgians!
  46. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 3 November 2019 16: 56
    +3
    * As part of the reform, it is planned to replace the uniforms of the Georgian armed forces, to completely update the equipment of the military personnel, as well as to change the diet. As part of the reform, it is planned to replace the uniforms of the Georgian armed forces, completely update the equipment of the military personnel, as well as change the diet. *
    That is right. I love everything new.
    The diet will change! Well this is lovely! There will be shish kebab-mashlyk on Saturdays for example! ... Name day of the heart! Yes, under Kimzmarauli for example !.
    I don’t remember who said there was no army from the Georgians, but what kind of choir will be !!! It is something. Sorry if I offended anyone. hi
  47. Altai72
    Altai72 3 November 2019 19: 12
    +1
    Not so simple. Georgia is in NATO, it is NATO in the South Caucasus. If this happens, Armenia will trample next, and there is nothing to console itself with the alliance and the CSTO. In Azerbaijan, 47-year-old Samir Nuriyev, who was educated at Duke University in the United States with a degree in International Development Policy, was appointed to the post of head of the apparatus of the Presidential Administration.
    1. Karen
      Karen 3 November 2019 19: 29
      -1
      Quote: Altai72
      If this happens, Armenia will trample next, and there is nothing to console itself with the alliance and the CSTO.

      One hundred years ago there were already difficult times for us ... Our authorities then told the Georgian that, apparently, Georgia and Azn decided to divide Armenia among themselves ... The Georgian authorities then answered with the words that the Armenians would benefit from this :). .. type, there will be a strong Christian state in Transcaucasia ...
      ______
      I feel that it will be difficult for us ... Now Nichol proposed to Georgia the option that our relations should not depend on geopolitical centers, but this is almost impossible ...
    2. Petrol cutter
      Petrol cutter 4 November 2019 17: 46
      +3
      The trouble is that this will happen semi-underground. All the experience of recent years points to this. And Georgia is not our good neighbor in the foreseeable future. Unfortunately.
      I would build on this and proceed from this.
      I think if I came to this conclusion, then TAM is not round ..... they sit. And presumably some countermeasures are being taken to such a development of events.
  48. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 5 November 2019 00: 57
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    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    Theoretically, everything is correct.

    I agree.
    The main thing is normal financing for such transformations.
    They would have allocated some more money and repatriated all illegal Georgians from Russia.
    Tired of worse than the bitter radish, in their homeland they scam Russia, and loot come to us to earn money.

    "Vakhtang Kikabidze: If there is no pride, go to Russia, clean your shoes. If I could, destroyed everything there"
    https://www.kp.ru/daily/27022/4085056/

    About the fierce Russophobia Kandelaki:
  49. geologist
    geologist 5 November 2019 13: 30
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    A guest in the Caucasus should experience only positive emotions. Imagine a simple Canadian or English infantryman who during the exercises in Georgia may feel uncomfortable with the appearance of people in an unfamiliar form or get an upset stomach from chakhokhbili with khachapuri, washed down with Zhiguli beer. Only popcorn + Coca-Cola will bring peace of mind to brothers from overseas.