For the attack on Khmeimim of the Russian Navy dealt a massive blow

On November 01, the Russian armed forces dealt a massive blow to the stronghold of jihadists located in the area of ​​the city of Jisr al-Shugur. This settlement is located in the province of Idlib, a large part of which is controlled by pro-Turkish militants.
The enemy experienced the complex effects of cruise missiles and aviation means of destruction.

The Russian Navy fired several rockets at jihadist positions in Jisr al-Sugur, causing a series of explosions that were heard throughout the area near the Turkish border

- The Al-Masdar News report said.

At the same time, there are Syrian government forces, which, using rocket and artillery fire, are trying to block the supply routes for militants throughout western Idlib.

According to Al-Masdar News, the massive blow inflicted by the Russian Federation was a response to the attack on Khmeimim that occurred on October 31. Then the Russian air defense successfully intercepted several enemy targets that were seen flying towards this air base.

Presumably, the enemy were destroyed Droneswho tried to break through the northeastern perimeter of the military facility. A related short video has been posted news Jableh network.

Comments

[Ros 56]

Barmaley and their patrons need to be beaten, and the more often, the better for normal people.

[vadsonen]

Barmalei and their patrons need to be beaten

No patrons - Erdogan is again Russia's best friend.

[Playerman]

Quote: vadsonen

No patrons

You wrote that. And what, the Turks "Patrons of Russia" ??? Something I have not heard about this, enlighten the "Lightest". And if STE is not so, filter the printing, please !!!

[Geo⁣]

Quote: PlayerMan

And what, the Turks "Patrons of Russia" ???

And what, Russia, these are barmalei?

[Playerman]

And where does Russia barmaley? Set the glass aside.

[Dali]

Quote: vadsonen

No patrons - Erdogan is again Russia's best friend.

Have you tried to think ?!

Geopolitics is a complex matter, but without the required information, analysis, etc. business is not at all possible!
You, gr. vadsonen, where do you get the fullness of the information, can you share it ?!

[Gennady Fomkin]

Enlighten pjailust about - "Erdogan is the best friend" Russia?

[vadsonen]

Apparently, it turned out to be innocent, but it was irony.

[1976AG]

The attacks of the drones of our base, the militants only bring their defeat closer.

[kepmor]

to defeat as to Shanghai on foot ...
and our "parquet-staff", perhaps, have already entered the taste ...
a couple of months of business trip, without sticking your nose outside the perimeter of hmeymin with tartus, here you have the combat, and the ranks and status of the database participant ...
in headquarters and government, it’s the turn from Syria right up to that Shanghai ... it’s time to put Aeroflot charters on the line ...
Too many interests are concentrated on this long-suffering land, so that everything will end in an instant ...

[Sling cutter]

kepmor (Alexey)No panic, Colleague. We defeated them 5 times, and we will defeat them in the 6th! do not get used to multi

[oracul]

If it weren’t a question of the possible death of civilians during the destruction operation in Idlib, I think our people would act like, for example, in Aleppo. But then the question was about the survival of Syria as a state. Now about the victory, but with little blood.

[Geo⁣]

Quote: 1976AG

rout

Well, so far they are only expanding their territories at the expense of the Kurds

[1976AG]

Quote: Geo⁣

Quote: 1976AG

rout

Well, so far they are only expanding their territories at the expense of the Kurds

First at the expense of the "moderate" opposition, then at the expense of ISIS, now at the expense of the Kurds ... this is not yet. This has already been taken under control and the process continues.

[abyssal]

There are terrorists, their whereabouts are known - why couldn’t they be destroyed before they decided to attack our base?

[demo]

Then you have to declare war on the USA!
And destroy this adder.

[abyssal]

Quote: demo

Then you have to declare war on the USA!
And destroy this adder.

Because the blow was delivered from a place "controlled by pro-Turkish militants"? You are the king of logic!

[demo]

There are terrorists, their whereabouts are known - why couldn’t they be destroyed before they decided to attack our base?
My answer.
Then you have to declare war on the USA!
And destroy this adder.
Why destroy one who shoots from a machine gun, if it is necessary to destroy the one who gives the order?

Well, if this is not possible, then you should wait for the next arrival of drones.
Shoot down. And send anxious letters.
That's it.

[abyssal]

Quote: demo

Then you have to declare war on the USA!
And destroy this adder.
Why destroy one who shoots from a machine gun, if it is necessary to destroy the one who gives the order?

Is the US order to pro-Turkish militants?
Then, following your "logic" of shelling Khmeimim by pro-American forces, you need to start a war with Turkey!
Thanks to the experts!

[demo]

There is a single decision center.
Not geographic, but physical.
And he is not in Turkey or in the EU.
He is in the USA.
Wherever something happened, one can say with almost 100% certainty that the initiator (beneficiary, ideologist, etc.) is the USA.
And those who in the United States determine the course of the state, hidden, and not declarative - can live in Europe, and in Australia and New Zealand, etc.

[CTEPX]

There is a single decision-making center .... He is in the USA.

Kmk, you are wrong. The center of Anglo-Saxon influence does not belong to one country. It's not even Britain. You yourself write about it: "they can live." In the upcoming TMV - the USA - the same terpily as all other countries without exception)).

[Professor]

Quote: demo

There are terrorists, their whereabouts are known - why couldn’t they be destroyed before they decided to attack our base?
My answer.
Then you have to declare war on the USA!
And destroy this adder.
Why destroy one who shoots from a machine gun, if it is necessary to destroy the one who gives the order?

Well, if this is not possible, then you should wait for the next arrival of drones.
Shoot down. And send anxious letters.
That's it.

Declaring war on the United States, or even on a NATO country like Estonia, is not easy. It's time to admit this unfortunate fact. No matter how much the Russians are oppressed in these countries, Russian "peacekeepers" or green men will not appear in them. Zakharova will express concern. This is maximum.

Quote: demo

Well, if this is not possible, then you should wait for the next arrival of drones.
Shoot down. And send anxious letters.
That's it.

Also an option. But the losing one. Shoot a penny drone worth a million bucks? Strike empty positions with 10 million cruise missiles? This music will be eternal, until you run out of money.

[Far East]

Jews are oppressed! you declared war!

[Professor]

Quote: Far East

Jews are oppressed! you declared war!

No. We carried out the operation and took to 36 hours 14 325 people to Israel. And there are many such examples.

Quote: _Ugene_

This music will be eternal, until you run out of money.

come on, to dramatize, Syria is an excellent training ground for testing our weapons and a very useful experience for the army, not to mention the selfish interest that we are there for - Qatari gas that would already be in Europe

About gas, this is nonsense of a third grader. In the 4 class, they begin to study geography and see that from Qatar it is possible to extend a pipe bypassing Syria through stable countries.
At the training ground, shot down pilots are not tied to the car by their legs and are not dragged in the desert in this way.
In Syria, there is no enemy opposition, and therefore "testing" of aviation and the CD without air defense, on the other hand, is not a test.

PS
This night, some who also shot at the Arabs. Here's how to show it. Not a launch, but a hit.

[_Ugene_]

Qatar, along with Iran, has the world's largest gas reserves, proposed a gas pipeline from the Persian Gulf to Turkey, which would cross Syria to the Mediterranean Sea and through which gas would go to Europe. Thus, to oust Russia from the European gas market by cutting off gas pipelines in Ukraine. However, in 2009 Assad refused to accept the plan, opting instead for a deal with Russia and Iran. The Islamic Gas Pipeline could benefit Russia and Iran to the detriment of Western energy interests and US gas corporations, moreover, sharply undermine the strategic energy power of the American ally, Qatar, and also cut off Turkey from the gas pipeline flow. ”In this gas war, the European consumer came together the largest gas producing countries. Syria is an important element of both gas pipelines, both from Iran and from Qatar. For the Qatari today it is a traffic jam, the Iranian remains in the project. The fact is that the configuration of gas supplies to Europe, and this, is fully justified by placing it in the Iraq-Libya-Syria chain.
The rebellion in Syria began to grow almost synchronously with the signing on 25 on June 2011 in Bushehr of a memorandum on the construction of a new Iran-Iraq-Syria gas pipeline.

[Professor]

Quote: _Ugene_

Qatar, along with Iran, has the world's largest gas reserves, proposed a gas pipeline from the Persian Gulf to Turkey, which would cross Syria to the Mediterranean Sea and through which gas would go to Europe. Thus, to oust Russia from the European gas market by cutting off gas pipelines in Ukraine. However, in 2009 Assad refused to accept the plan, opting instead for a deal with Russia and Iran. The Islamic Gas Pipeline could benefit Russia and Iran to the detriment of Western energy interests and US gas corporations, moreover, sharply undermine the strategic energy power of the American ally, Qatar, and also cut off Turkey from the gas pipeline flow. ”In this gas war, the European consumer came together the largest gas producing countries. Syria is an important element of both gas pipelines, both from Iran and from Qatar. For the Qatari today it is a traffic jam, the Iranian remains in the project. The fact is that the configuration of gas supplies to Europe, and this, is fully justified by placing it in the Iraq-Libya-Syria chain.
The rebellion in Syria began to grow almost synchronously with the signing on 25 on June 2011 in Bushehr of a memorandum on the construction of a new Iran-Iraq-Syria gas pipeline.

I'm talking nonsense did not study geography.
1. You want to say that Russian soldiers are dying for the gas pipeline?
2. Here you have at least 2 alternative routes. Why do you need Syria?

[_Ugene_]

1. You want to say that Russian soldiers are dying for the gas pipeline?

just do not need demagogy, Russian soldiers are doing their job, no one forcibly drove them into the army

2. Here you have at least 2 alternative routes. Why do you need Syria?

nobody wants to pull across the Mediterranean Sea, dearly, all the discussed gas pipeline projects are shown in the figure that I laid out

[Professor]

Quote: _Ugene_

just do not need demagogy, Russian soldiers are doing their job, no one forcibly drove them into the army

You want to say that Russian soldiers are dying for the gas pipeline?

Quote: _Ugene_

nobody wants to pull across the Mediterranean Sea, dearly, all the discussed gas pipeline projects are shown in the figure that I laid out

Israel is pulling. This time. In your crazy article Qatar, along with Iran, which has the world's largest gas reserves, proposed a gas pipeline from the Persian Gulf to Turkey, which would cross Syria to the Mediterranean Sea and by which gas would go to Europe.
Why do you need Syria?

[_Ugene_]

You want to say that Russian soldiers are dying for the gas pipeline?

you either have poor eyesight or an understanding of what you read, once again for those who are in the tank — Russian soldiers do their job, there are no conscripts in Syria, only professionals, and they die because they themselves chose such a job

Israel is pulling. This time. In your crazy article, Qatar, along with Iran, which has the world's largest gas reserves, proposed a gas pipeline from the Persian Gulf to Turkey, which would cross Syria to the Mediterranean Sea and through which gas would go to Europe.
Why do you need Syria? fool

except for Israel, no one was going to what Syria is needed for, it can be clearly seen in my drawing, through Syria to Turkey, you can continue to twist your finger at the temple and knock yourself on the forehead, but it’s unlikely that this will add to my head

[Professor]

Quote: _Ugene_

you either have poor eyesight or an understanding of what you read, once again for those who are in the tank — Russian soldiers do their job, there are no conscripts in Syria, only professionals, and they die because they themselves chose such a job

You want to say that Russian soldiers are dying for the gas pipeline?

Quote: _Ugene_

except for Israel, no one was going to what Syria is needed for, it can be clearly seen in my drawing, through Syria to Turkey, you can continue to twist your finger at the temple and knock yourself on the forehead, but it’s unlikely that this will add to my head

Your quote:Qatar, along with Iran, which has the world's largest gas reserves, proposed a gas pipeline from the Persian Gulf to Turkey, which would cross Syria to the Mediterranean Sea and by which gas would go to Europe
.
My map:

Now explain why Syria there?

[_Ugene_]

something your record stuck, okay, forget, apparently demagoguery is a national Jewish fun

[Professor]

Quote: _Ugene_

something your record stuck, okay, forget, apparently demagoguery is a national Jewish fun

You did not answer the 2 question:
1. In the "Qatari" project, the pipeline runs along the bottom of the Mediterranean Sea. So?
2. Does Syria need if there is a safe alternative?

Quote: xax

Egypt? Seriously?
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Катарский_дипломатический_кризис
At the same time, Egypt is far from Saudi Arabia and not Israel, so that at the behest of the suzerain it shoots itself in the foot.

Money doesn't smell. Egypt, with all its love for Iran, for example, does not refuse Iranian warships to pass through the Suez Canal.

[_Ugene_]

[quote] 1. In the "Qatari" project, the pipeline runs along the bottom of the Mediterranean Sea. So? [/ Quote] No, not so, in the Qatari gas pipeline project, the pipeline goes overland from Syria to Turkey, then to Europe.
Qatar-Turkish gas pipeline (project) - an unrealized project for the construction of a gas pipeline for the supply of natural gas, which was supposed to begin in the super-giant oil and gas field North / South Pars in the territorial waters of Qatar and Iran and pass through the territory of Turkey, where it could connect to the Nabucco gas pipeline in order to supply European and Turkish consumers.
The figure is indicated by a red line.

2. Syria is needed if there is a safe alternative? [/ Quote] The Qatari gas pipeline was originally planned by land, apparently across the Mediterranean, it’s not expensive at all, and across the sea it’s too expensive, otherwise why is it still missing? Qatar is not interested in the huge European gas market? Where could they easily squeeze Gazprom due to lower production costs

[Professor]

[quote = _Ugene _] [quote] 1. In the "Qatari" project, the pipeline runs along the bottom of the Mediterranean Sea. So? [/ Quote] No, not so, in the Qatari gas pipeline project, the pipeline goes overland from Syria to Turkey, then to Europe.
Qatar-Turkish gas pipeline (project) - an unrealized project for the construction of a gas pipeline for the supply of natural gas, which was supposed to begin in the super-giant oil and gas field North / South Pars in the territorial waters of Qatar and Iran and pass through the territory of Turkey, where it could connect to the Nabucco gas pipeline in order to supply European and Turkish consumers.
The figure is indicated by a red line.
[/ Quote]
But didn’t you post this yesterday?
Qatar, along with Iran, which has the world's largest gas reserves, proposed a gas pipeline from the Persian Gulf to Turkey, which would cross Syria to the Mediterranean Sea and by which gas would go to Europe

[quote = _Ugene_] 2. Syria is needed if there is a safe alternative? [/ Quote] The Qatari gas pipeline was originally planned by land, apparently across the Mediterranean, it’s not expensive at all, and across the sea it’s too expensive, otherwise why is it still missing? Qatar is not interested in the huge European gas market? Where they could easily squeeze Gazprom due to lower production costs [/ quote]
Qatar, along with Iran, which has the world's largest gas reserves, proposed a gas pipeline from the Persian Gulf to Turkey, which would cross Syria to the Mediterranean Sea and by which gas would go to Europe
As we have seen, there are alternative routes. Qatar, by the way, is investing in LNG. But this is not the main issue. The main question remained unanswered:
You want to say that Russian soldiers are dying for the gas pipeline?

[_Ugene_]

I answered the main question 3 times, if it didn’t get any further, it makes no sense to answer, do not strain
and regarding the Qatari gas pipeline - there is an official project that has already been agreed with Saudi Arabia and Jordan (through the territory of Qatar itself, in transit through Saudi Arabia and Jordan, then to Syria, through it to Turkey and then to the south of Europe), but there are hypothetical alternative routes drawn by different wiseacres, I can also draw beautiful lines on the map, only what do they have to do with reality?

[Professor]

Quote: _Ugene_

I answered the main question 3 times, if it didn’t get any further, it makes no sense to answer, do not strain

They didn’t answer even once. Every time they tried to get out.
You want to say that Russian soldiers are dying for the gas pipeline?

Quote: _Ugene_

and about the Qatari gas pipeline - there is official a project that has already been agreed with Saudi Arabia and Jordan (through the territory of Qatar itself, in transit through Saudi Arabia and Jordan, then to Syria, through it to Turkey and then to the south of Europe), and there are hypothetical alternative routes that draw different wise guys, I can also draw beautiful lines on the map, but how do they relate to reality?

You can look at the document of this according to your words OFFICIAL project? Discard the link.

[D16]

You want to say that Russian soldiers are dying for the gas pipeline?

Did someone die again? In Syria, Russian soldiers are under the constant control of all progressive humanity. Try it, perish. Immediately a howl from each iron will begin. In this regard, in Syria is safer than in Russia.

[xax]

Egypt? Seriously?
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Катарский_дипломатический_кризис
At the same time, Egypt is far from Saudi Arabia and not Israel, so that at the behest of the suzerain it shoots itself in the foot.

[CTEPX]

Professor has problems

He is such a normal fighter of the Anglo-Saxon world. And the Anglo-Saxon world has only one real adversary - the Russian world. The only opponents of the professor himself are other Jews working for the Russian world against the Anglo-Saxon)).

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: _Ugene_

no one wants to pull across the Mediterranean Sea,

Israel intends to begin supplying gas to Europe through a new gas pipeline by the end of 2025.

Quote: _Ugene_

all discussed gas pipeline projects are depicted in the figure that I posted

Yes, it seems, and not all.

[Armata T-14]

1. Qatar does not have the largest gas reserves. No. 1 in reserves, even without the Arctic - Russia
2. And what, the gas pipeline must certainly be laid in Syria, and by no means can you get around?

[Lapunevsky]

Tin ... Well, what ammunition did they plow so much? And it was clear
that they hit targets almost vertically ...

[demo]

Qatar-Turkish gas pipeline (project) - an unrealized project for the construction of a gas pipeline for the supply of natural gas, which was supposed to begin in the super-giant oil and gas field North / South Pars in the territorial waters of Qatar and Iran and pass through the territory of Turkey, where it could connect to the Nabucco gas pipeline (also an unrealized project) in order to supply European and Turkish consumers. It was assumed that one branch of the pipeline was supposed to pass through Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Syria, and the other through Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Iraq. However, Syria officially refused [the source is not specified 464 days] to provide its territory for the branch, justifying its refusal by the need to “protect the interests of Russia, the ally of Syria, which is a key supplier of gas to Europe.”

Qatar has proposed building this $ 10 billion gas pipeline in 2000. This pipeline was supposed to connect Qatar with key European consumers, strengthen the Arabian monarchies of the Persian Gulf in the dominant positions of gas markets and significantly enrich Qatar, which is a close ally of the United States in the region.

In 2009, the government of Bashar al-Assad, after lengthy negotiations, rejected the idea of ​​such a pipeline and decided in 2012 to sign a memorandum with Tehran, which recorded intentions to organize Syrian transit of Iranian gas to Europe through Iraq, bypassing Turkey. The agreement also stipulated the possibility of building a gas liquefaction plant on the Mediterranean coast. In other words, Bashar al-Assad provoked an acute reaction of the Sunni monarchies after he publicly expressed his approval of the “Islamic gas pipeline”, through which gas from the Iranian part of South Pars was supposed to go through Syria to Lebanese ports and from there to Europe [5]. The implementation of this project would strengthen the economic situation of Iran, whose influence on political and economic processes in the Middle East would increase significantly.

Soon after Assad's refusal to support the idea of ​​a Qatari-Turkish gas pipeline and consent to contribute to the implementation of the Iran-Lebanon gas pipeline project, Israel criticized such an intention. First of all, official Jerusalem expressed concern about the possible strengthening of Shiite militarized insurgent organizations - Hezbollah and Hamas, which could receive more funding for subversive activities that would be anti-Israeli. On the other hand, during backstage discussions, the possibility was considered of holding one of the gas pipeline branches from the Arabian Peninsula along the old Iran – Eilat – Ashkelon route (or natural gas could be sent to Ashkelon via Jordan [6].

In 2011, civilian protests began in Syria, escalating into a civil war, one of the main reasons for which was the confrontation between the Sunni majority and the Alawite minority, the predominantly in power. Throughout the conflict, Qatar and Saudi Arabia provide active financial and material support to many opponents of the Syrian government of Bashar al-Assad; in the event of the overthrow of the latter and the seizure of power by the opposition (which did not happen), Qatar and Saudi Arabia will have the opportunity to influence the new government and the question of building a gas pipeline from Qatar to Turkey may be raised again.

In February 2016, journalist and writer Robert Kennedy Jr. (Robert Kennedy's son) in a voluminous analytical article for Politico magazine noted that the “undeclared war” of the United States against B. Assad (and further direct aggression) began after the Syrian side rejected the idea the construction of a gas pipeline that would connect Turkey, Jordan, Syria and Saudi Arabia.

[protoss]

this mythical gas pipeline stumbles not so much on Syria as on Saudi Arabia. the idea of ​​laying a pipeline through their sworn enemies can be visited only by those who are completely desperate, and the Qatar market has everything in order - the cng fleet is huge, buyers also have cng terminals.
fairy tales about the Qatari pipe to Europe are needed only to justify our unprofitable participation in Syrian affairs, saying that if we allowed it, competition would kill Gazprom and the country's budget with it, for TV viewers who do not understand the Middle Eastern affairs and are weak in geography.

[xax]

Quote: protoss

and through their sworn enemies

"Sworn enemies" these same overlord lick slippers. So it wasn't a problem, no matter what.

[StudentVK]

Well, then brad ... Full brad))) know koment so to speak.

[Far East]

you, all your existence, Crying, sho YOU ​​all offend, oppress! is not it! well enough already. without sarcasm!

[meandr51]

Hurray, cartoons!

[Ramzaj99]

Quote: professor

This night, some who also shot at Arabs

It would be something to brag about ...
The key word is "Arabs". Not terrorists, but Arabs.
How many civilians were in these houses? children? women? .....
Israel decides its affairs by destroying the civilian population, the Syrian army, and feeding the militants. That’s all that Israel does in Syrian territory.

[Geo⁣]

Quote: professor

from Qatar, you can extend a pipe bypassing Syria through stable countries

Via Astralia, for example.

Quote: professor

"tests" of aviation and air defense missiles without air defense, on the other hand, are not tests.

For example, we tested a thermonuclear bomb without air defense. Also not a test?

Do you leave here the flows of your delirium? What is it for? Who needs this?

[Joker62]

What are you saying ???? Or maybe the other way around ???? These Jews themselves became borzoi than other nations. Look at yourself in the mirror and then say who is most oppressed in Russia. And you yourself declared a war, and do not put everything upside down!

[sniperino]

Quote: Far East

you declared war!

They have a different task: to declare that our gut is thin for any reason that they consider suitable for this.

[kjhg]

Quote: professor

To declare war on the United States or even on one NATO country like Estonia, the gut is thin.

Does the professor want Russia to start a war with NATO over Estonia? Why do we need this?
Everyone but Russia and NATO will benefit from this. Especially those who love to pursue their own, pitting their enemies with each other. Russia can also teach Estonia economic methods. Why grab a gun?

[Cut Samshitov]

It is better for the Israelites in this situation not to gloat ..

[bukhach]

The professor wants a lot of things. What would the Jews not declare war on Iran or the gut is thin? So there will be no small injections to immediately solve the enemy.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Buhach

So there will be no small injections to immediately solve the enemy.

Is it like in Syria?

[bukhach]

And in Syria, the state is fighting with the state? There is a civil war with the intervention of all interested parties. And even Israel, which is torn by an internal conflict, does not declare war, you see, the gut is thin.

[Lelek]

Quote: kjhg

Russia can also teach Estonia economic methods.

The Russian Federation did just that. There is a howl on the Estonian branch, starting from the president to the bartender. Estonia is not interesting to us as a partner, and disgusting, like a yapping and creeping neighbor. She should have understood this a long time ago and cleaned up her guano.

[_Ugene_]

This music will be eternal, until you run out of money.

come on, to dramatize, Syria is an excellent training ground for testing our weapons and a very useful experience for the army, not to mention the selfish interest that we are there for - Qatari gas that would already be in Europe

[Moskovit]

It's funny to read such tips from Israel after recent news:
"The positions of Palestinian militants in the Gaza Strip were subjected to airstrikes by Israel on Saturday night," the Israeli army press service reported.

In a widespread statement by the Israeli military it is said that the Israeli air force "began to strike at the targets of terrorists in Gaza."

Palestinian media reported that several airstrikes were inflicted on training facilities and outposts of the Hamas group. So far, there have been no reports of casualties or injuries.

The air strikes were in response to missile launches from the Gaza Strip into Israeli territory. The Israel Defense Forces later tweeted that several more rockets had been launched from Gaza. Eight out of ten shells were intercepted.

No Palestinian group has yet claimed responsibility for the rocket fire. "

How much is one cassette? About 800 dollars. And how much are the Israeli sorties and strikes? So, how much is the Iron Dome and its maintenance?
"Monya, and this friend will teach us business!" (C)

The gut is thin to declare a real war on the Gaza Strip and Iran? It is better to hollow on F-35 sheds.

[StudentVK]

Well, they can see kosher, but we goy no)))))

[Vladimir_6]

and we goy no)))))

Sergey, do not write such stupid things about yourself.

[StudentVK]

This is the truth of life, unfortunately (.......

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: StudentVK

This is the truth of life, unfortunately (.......

This phrase is used exclusively by Russians on the forum. I did not meet her from the representatives of Israel. I think we, Russians, shouldn't use this phrase even jokingly. It just sounds to the delight of those who consider themselves "chosen".

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Moskovit

How much is one cassette? About 800 dollars. And how much are the Israeli sorties and strikes?

Israel counts how much HUMAN LIFE
I understand this is SIMPLY UNDERSTANDABLE for you.
And in general, counting other people's money is at least not cultural.
I will slightly correct your information.
10 rockets fired.
Shot down 8.
One fell in the wasteland, the complex does not respond to it.
One rocket hit a residential building, people were not injured were in the shelter.
Volley of 10 missiles eliminated 80%

Quote: Moskovit

The gut is thin to declare a real war on the Gaza Strip and Iran

For example, Syria can be destroyed in a maximum of 3-4 days.
The problem is different.
Gaza's population is about 2 mil.
Militants 30-40 thousand
Nobody will understand this and you will first cry.
Therefore, do not write what you do not know.
With Iran, everything is much simpler.
HOW TO START SO AND GET, NOT HE THE FIRST!

[bukhach]

The question is who will get more. Still, Iran is a real threat for you, your authorities will realize this, otherwise they would have done something like a raid on the Iraqi nuclear center long ago. Obviously they are being stopped by the severity of the possible consequences. if you are in a different weight category.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Buhach

something like a raid on the Iraqi nuclear center.

Without options
AS SOON AS POSSIBLE
!

Quote: Buhach

And stop hacking

1948, 1967, 1967, 1973, 1982.
YES, NORMAL HATS IN ISRAEL!
1967
"This is what a direct eyewitness to these events recalls, the then S. Tarasenko, Military Attaché at the Embassy of the USSR in Egypt: “Almost an hour later we already knew what was happening. A group of Soviet specialists arrived at the embassy, ​​working at Cairo West, the largest Egyptian base. Their appearance - torn and dirty clothes, haggard faces - spoke for itself. When asked what happened, the senior officer briefly threw: "Egypt no longer has an air force, there is no Cairo West base either."
And here's another hat
1973
The Arab countries have concentrated enormous forces for this aggression. Until October 15, 1973, the forces of the Arab armies were:
Egypt: 650 soldiers, 000 combat aircraft, 650 tanks.
Syria: 150 soldiers, 000 combat aircraft, 330 tanks.
Iraq (takes part in the war): 230 tanks, 3 squadrons.
Jordan (takes part in the war): 80 tanks.
Morocco: 1500 soldiers on the BMP.
Air defense systems:
Egypt - 150 batteries SA-2 (S-75 Dvina air defense systems), SA-3 (S-125 Pechora air defense systems) and SA-6 (Cube air defense systems).
Syria - 35 batteries of the same air defense systems.
120 mm anti-aircraft guns. and higher: Egypt - 2000 guns, Syria - 1200 guns.
The Soviet air bridge as of October 15 was:
- Since October 10, 125 An-12 transport planes took off to Syria; to Egypt - 42 An-12 flights and 16 An-22 flights; to Iraq - 17 An-12 flights.
- By sea from October 10, Soviet ships loaded with weapons began to arrive in Latakia.
1982
The disaster in the Bekaa valley made a shock impression on the leadership of the USSR. Already in September 1982. In Moscow, a meeting was held in the Central Committee of the CPSU, dedicated to the analysis of the battles that took place in Lebanon, where the command of the Soviet Army and the leaders of the military-industrial complex were summoned to the "carpet". They had to answer for the failed unpreparedness of Soviet weapons for modern warfare. At the same time, following the results of this "debriefing", a resolution was adopted by the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Council of Ministers of the USSR. However, apparently, no proper conclusions were drawn from the disaster in Lebanon ...

So if you still have to HAT COVER WISHING!
MINUS OWNERS DO NOT TRY ME ME IT DOESN'T AFFECT.
Ready for dialogue.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

HAT COVER WISHING!
MINUS OWNERS DO NOT TRY ME ME IT DOESN'T AFFECT.

Ek poked you!

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

Ready for dialogue.

To tears!

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Tank Hard

MINUS OWNERS DO NOT TRY ME ME IT DOESN'T AFFECT.

If I have -20000 then it doesn’t bother me and I DIDN'T DECEIVE.

Quote: Tank Hard

Ready for dialogue.

And why not, why not listen to the opponent, with his vision of the situation, maybe I'm wrong about something or he.
But it’s clear, not stupid.
The site seems to be solid, but the statements and thoughts of many at the level of the parish school, the beginning of the 20th century, wall to wall, who whom.

Quote: Tank Hard

To tears!

Don’t be so upset, EVERYTHING WILL BE WELL!

[Tank hard]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

If I have -20000 then it doesn’t bother me and I DIDN'T DECEIVE.

The answer is simple, if you don’t care, then why the "caps"?

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

The site seems to be solid, and the statements and thoughts of many at the level of the parish school, the beginning of the 20th century

For example - yours. Imkho. (if you do not agree, then see point one )

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Tank Hard

For example - yours. Imkho.

That's not mine.
This story.
For some, it is not pleasant, but it can not be redone, but it is also not advisable to repeat it.
Everything else, flood!

[Tank hard]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

This story.

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

, Flood!

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

That's not mine.

Well again: "I am not me, and the horse is not mine ..."

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Tank Hard

Well again: "I am not me, and the horse is not mine ..."

And I didn’t offer you a horse
I just wanted to hear a business comment on the fact that Israel can really respond to aggression.

1948, 1967, 1967, 1973, 1982.
YES, NORMAL HATS IN ISRAEL!
1967
"This is what a direct eyewitness of these events recalls,The former military attache at the USSR Embassy in Egypt S. Tarasenko: “Almost an hour later we already knew what was happening. A group of Soviet specialists arrived at the embassy, ​​working at Cairo West, the largest Egyptian base. Their appearance - torn and dirty clothes, haggard faces - spoke for itself. When asked what happened, the senior officer briefly threw: "Egypt no longer has an air force; the Cairo West base also doesn't."
And here's another hat
1973
The Arab countries have concentrated enormous forces for this aggression. Until October 15, 1973, the forces of the Arab armies were:
Egypt: 650 soldiers, 000 combat aircraft, 650 tanks.
Syria: 150 soldiers, 000 combat aircraft, 330 tanks.
Iraq (takes part in the war): 230 tanks, 3 squadrons.
Jordan (takes part in the war): 80 tanks.
Morocco: 1500 soldiers on the BMP.
Air defense systems:
Egypt - 150 batteries SA-2 (S-75 Dvina air defense systems), SA-3 (S-125 Pechora air defense systems) and SA-6 (Cube air defense systems).
Syria - 35 batteries of the same air defense systems.
120 mm anti-aircraft guns. and higher: Egypt - 2000 guns, Syria - 1200 guns.
The Soviet air bridge as of October 15 was:
- Since October 10, 125 An-12 transport planes took off to Syria; to Egypt - 42 An-12 flights and 16 An-22 flights; to Iraq - 17 An-12 flights.
- By sea from October 10, Soviet ships loaded with weapons began to arrive in Latakia.
1982
The disaster in the Bekaa valley made a shock impression on the leadership of the USSR. Already in September 1982. In Moscow, a meeting was held in the Central Committee of the CPSU, dedicated to the analysis of the battles that took place in Lebanon, where the command of the Soviet Army and the leaders of the military-industrial complex were summoned to the "carpet". They had to answer for the failed unpreparedness of Soviet weapons for modern warfare. At the same time, following the results of this "debriefing", a resolution was adopted by the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Council of Ministers of the USSR. However, apparently, no proper conclusions were drawn from the disaster in Lebanon ...

And you dragged the horse, because nothing to object to the fact.
Goodnight!

[Tank hard]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

I just wanted to hear a business comment on the fact that Israel can really respond to aggression.

Believe me, I do not care how Israel can respond to aggression there. I’m only aggression against Israel at the moment - I do not see point blank. And you already have a tantrum ...

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Tank Hard

I’m only aggression against Israel at the moment - I do not see point blank.

IRGC commander: "Israel will be wiped off the face of the earth"
"If he acts recklessly, we will raze Tel Aviv and Haifa to the ground," Khatami said.
"Iran threatens to destroy Israel in half an hour, if Moscow does not interfere"
"Even the former President of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, said at the conference" World without Zionism "that" the Zionist regime must be wiped off the face of the earth, and with the help of divine power. "And then he repeated:" The Zionist entity must be wiped off the map. "
You will find all these statements on the Internet.

"These documents convincingly prove that Iran is brazenly lying when it claims that it never had a nuclear weapons program."
https://mfa.gov.il/MFARUS/EnemiesPeace/IranianThreat/Pages/PM-Netanyahu-presents-conclusive-proof-of-Iranian-secret-nuclear-weapons-program.aspx
"Diplomats: Traces of Uranium Found in Iran's Secret Nuclear Storage Facility.
Tehran does not give any explanation, experts are trying to find out how much material for the bomb was hidden in the warehouse. "
"The IAEA, the agency only started checking the facility this year, after suspicious materials disappeared. But nuclear inspectors were nevertheless able to find radioactive particles, confirming Israel's claims of the warehouse's designation. The Wall Street Journal reported on Monday that Iran is currently refusing to answer agency questions about what material was stored in the warehouse, and more importantly, where it might be now. "
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/05/opinion/iran-israel.html
Just the facts.
What you do not see is normal.
The main thing is that MOSAD, AMAN, and the General Staff of Israel see this.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

IRGC commander: "Israel will be wiped off the face of the earth"
"If he acts recklessly, we will raze Tel Aviv and Haifa to the ground," Khatami said.

Yes, they have been yelling about it since the last century, it's still an old noise ...

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Tank Hard

Yes, they have been yelling about it since the last century,

"If at the beginning of the play there is a gun on the wall, then (towards the end of the play) it should fire."
From a letter from Anton Pavlovich Chekhov
Do not you think that it is not at all appropriate to advise in this situation, what should the state do to protect its country and its people?

[Tank hard]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

Do not you think that it is not at all appropriate to advise in this situation what the state should do to protect its country and its people

And I do not advise, unlike your "professor" Sokolov, I do not like hysterics ...

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Tank Hard

unlike your "professor" Sokolov,

This is the wrong address, I'm not a "professor"
"Brother does not answer for brother"
I am ready to conduct a dialogue only for my statements and there is no need to slide it off decently.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

This is the wrong address, I'm not a "professor"

Pleases.

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

and do not slide off it is not decent.

Then I did not understand a little ...

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Tank Hard

Then I did not understand a little ...

You are right.
It’s just that the discussion went far from the initial statement (not from you) that Israel is engaged in hooliganism and is afraid of everyone. You can come back and read.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

You can come back and read.

Yes, I read. He expressed his position. If you want - fight, it's up to you.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Tank Hard

If you want - fight, it's up to you.

Yes, to protect your country!
Goodnight!

[bukhach]

You are a Jew, and I’m not at odds with logic, I’m really surprised. Hatred and everyone is afraid - they are opposite to themselves, I don’t know where you saw in my words about Israel’s fear, but I said too much about bravado and I’ll say it again. Your long list of victories at some point may be interrupted, everything happens. Remember the beginning of the 1973 war or not the most successful actions in the operation in Lebanon.

[D16]

1948, 1967, 1967, 1973, 1982.
YES, NORMAL HATS IN ISRAEL!

"- Who are the judges? - For the antiquity of years
To a free life their enmity is irreconcilable,
Judges draw from forgotten newspapers
The times of the Ochakovskys and the conquest of the Crimea; "(c) Griboyedov.

[Moskovit]

Capsule and in bold write to your fellow countryman, who began to teach Russia how to fight. Which countries and why destroy. And then he also began to consider how much money the protection of LIFE of Russian soldiers would cost. And chuckle at that.
So read carefully to start it. And then portray a world conscience here.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Moskovit

Capsule and bold write

This is a tantrum ... Torn off the individual ...

[mvg]

How much is one cassette? About 800 dollars. And how much are the Israeli sorties and strikes?

And how much does one caliber cost, and how many tents that we shoot at? How much is the Chinese plastic drone and how many 9M335 they are launched in pairs. And why the departure of the Su-34 is cheaper than the F-16. And we still hold the Mediterranean grouping of ships, chasing them over a couple of oceans. And mattresses and Israel fly from their bases.
PS: So what are we better? At least they really protect their population. During all 70 years of its existence. We are already there once 3 already defeated all. The same number of times Trump.

[Dart2027]

Quote: mvg

PS: So what are we better? At least they really protect their population.

As we are.

[D16]

So what are we better? At least they really protect their population.

Rju-nimagu . Israeli expansion. How the borders of Israel have changed. https://sorokovs.livejournal.com/332645.html
First, we capture territories, build kibbutzis there, and then we protect the population. Here, of course, they will immediately tell you that the Jews are not to blame, the Arabs themselves started a war, and Israel each time grew in territories. But the reason for the war was the creeping expansion of Israel into Arab territories. The fact that the Arabs do not know how to fight, and in the Soviet Union there was always a pro-Israeli lobby only accelerated the process.

how many 9M335 are they launched in pairs

Do not regret it. Missiles still need to be periodically launched. At least as part of combat training. And here you don’t need to spend money on targets and the air defense personnel probably all went through the war

[mvg]

air defense personnel probably all went through the war

There is a comment above from the "midshipman", about the personnel and additional benefits. I, working as an admin in social security, have seen enough of these.
I defended my homeland, I need a second apartment, a car, a lot of money, Putin promised me. This is said by the contractors, who themselves went there, for good money. I do not understand.

[D16]

Do they say that right? About the second car and apartment? Is the slogan about protecting the population that has seized foreign territories no longer relevant for you?

[Dart2027]

Quote: D16

Do they say that right? About the second car and apartment?

It is strange that mvg forgot about the cottage.

[D16]

You want too much from him. The man noted, licked the inhabitants of Israel, wrote nasty things about Russian servicemen. Now you can with a sense of accomplishment throw on the fan in the next topic.

[Vladimir_6]

To declare war on the United States or even on one NATO country like Estonia, the gut is thin.

Who had a thinner gut was clearly shown on 08.08.08, when Saakashvili was hiding from Carlson. The same thing when they squeezed the Crimea, and entered Syria. You say that they are not members of NATO, but in all of these states there were US and NATO interests.
If Russia needs to break through the corridor to Kaliningrad, then Lithuania will not help any NATO.
And declaring war on the United States is not necessary. They have a pain point - Afghanistan. The Taliban can deliver a lot of things there through Tajikistan.

[hrych]

Quote: professor

a NATO country like Estonia has a small intestine

The gut was not thin to take Crimea and Abkhazia with Ossetia, and now Syria. Also, for Estonia, NATO countries certainly will not harness themselves, as well as for Israel in the event of a mess. Russians in Estonia are oppressed in civil rights, there is no threat to life. Auschwitz with fire chambers against the Russians has not been created, therefore Zakharova and the economic noose are enough, where Estonia is sad. Therefore, by, as always.
A drone is not cheap or shekel if it has a guidance system and is equal in value to a missile with a radio command guidance of the Shell, unlike expensive missiles with an IKGSN and RGSN. The Israelis are shooting at empty positions, and ours are shooting right on target, and Tomahawk costs an average of a million, in the most expensive version 1,9 lama. Caliber is much cheaper at purchasing power parity and not the fact that it struck. Tools are also being worked out to strike at potential enemies, which include Israel. It is possible that a blogger with a nickname with a dream of an academic title will fall from a fragment of this device ... Israel has already begun to be surrounded by C-300 / 400 complexes, the Shells and Heroes of Hezbollah will receive brand new ATGMs and I hope MANPADS. I got Netanyahu. Congratulations!

[Professor]

Quote: hrych

The gut was not thin to take Crimea and Abkhazia with Ossetia, and now Syria.

Because these countries are not members of NATO. Q.E.D.

Quote: hrych

Also, for Estonia, NATO countries certainly will not harness themselves, as well as for Israel in the event of a mess. Russians in Estonia are oppressed in civil rights, there is no threat to life. Auschwitz with fire chambers against the Russians has not been created, therefore Zakharova and the economic noose are enough, where Estonia is sad.

Russians are oppressed in the Baltic states and you only express concern. Q.E.D. The larger gut is thin.

Quote: hrych

A drone is not cheap or shekel if it has a guidance system and is equal in value to a missile with a radio command guidance of the Shell, unlike expensive missiles with an IKGSN and RGSN.

A drone with a super duper control system, inertial and satellite, a bunch of sensors costs $ 1000 (one thousand).
The cost of one complex of the Pantsir-S1 air defense missile complex is ~ $ 14 000 000. The cost of one 57E6 rocket is approximately $ 270 000. That is, two hundred and seventy times more drone, CEP you, as always, by ..
https://www.belrynok.by/2018/05/24/zenitnye-kompleksy-maloj-dalnosti-zashhiti-sebya-sam/

Quote: hrych

The Israelis are shooting at empty positions, and ours are shooting right on target, and Tomahawk costs an average of a million, in the most expensive version of the 1,9 lama. Caliber is much cheaper at purchasing power parity and not the fact that it struck.

By how the strike was made, we can judge by the video materials provided by the RF Ministry of Defense. Secondary explosions characteristic of the detonation of ammunition in underground storage are clearly visible. Oh yes. This is a night video of the Israeli Air Force.

Quote: hrych

Tools are also being worked out to strike at potential enemies, which include Israel. It is possible that a blogger with a nickname with a dream of an academic rank will fall from a fragment of this device ...

Intestine contact Estonia. Where to you to Israel.

Quote: hrych

Israel has already begun to be surrounded by C-300 / 400 complexes, the Shells and Heroes of Hezbollah will receive brand new ATGMs and I hope MANPADS. I got Netanyahu. Congratulations!

What are the systems that have no analogues in the world, we have already seen. Just now and MANPADS hezbalony used for us. By. In September, 3 had no analogues in the world of Cornet for our ambulance. By. So, Hrych, we survived the Pharaohs and we will survive you and Hezbalons.

[poquello]

Quote: professor

Because these countries are not members of NATO. Q.E.D.

Why are you in such a hurry? still to come. NATO is now a gang-roofing organization and the need to destroy this organization is increasingly brewing in the world.

[Vladimir_6]

Russians are oppressed in the Baltic states and you only express concern.

Jews are oppressed by the "damned anti-Semites" all over the world, and you do not even express concern. Is the intestine thin?

Intestine contact Estonia. Where to you to Israel.

Israel together with the United States made every effort to pit Russia with Turkey. Not a ride. Now you personally dream of Russia destroying Estonia (I apologize for my treasury French), just as Israel is tormenting the Gaza Strip.
Russia quietly kicked out your super-duper cool special forces from Venezuela, and now your protégé "president" Guaidó writes orders in the toilet on toilet paper, and a protégé of Russia, President Nicholas Maduro, runs the country.
And yet, yes, in terms of provocations, Israel is ahead of the rest. Where do we go to Israel.

[Ramzaj99]

Quote: professor

Intestine contact Estonia. Where do you go to Israel

Well, where do we go)))) .....
Israel is direct valiantly fighting Iran))))
And they’re afraid to say the word only at night they are smashing some civilian objects on the territory of Syria, like fighting Iran ....
Very brave))))

[hrych]

Well, I read at your link: "" Armor "clearly wins in terms of cost characteristics, both of the combat vehicle itself, and of a rather simple-to-manufacture rocket." What did you mean by that? Firstly, for the Russian army, Russian-made equipment costs not in dollars, but in rubles and at purchasing power parity. This export goes for currency. The purchasing power parity gives the dollar exchange rate not exchange, i.e. 1 to 60, and in the region of 1 to 10. So on average, if the Shell is exported for 13-15 million dollars, then our military it costs a little more than 2 million dollars in the region, but in rubles naturally. The ammunition is even funnier, I have a relative in the management of the enterprise, where the shells of the shells are filled, so the price was very ridiculous, I’ll get through, say with or without a radio command head, but it was in the region of several tens of thousands of rubles. If I’m not mistaken, 60 or 70 thousand rubles. I was still surprised, but did not remember the exact numbers. Maybe from the Arabs they tear three skins, they have the right and they have nowhere to go, since they took the Shell. But our shooting costs a penny.

Quote: professor

Gut

Did you fix something Oleg? Intestine is not alright? The intestine in a person begins with the duodenum, a segment of the small intestine, which passes into the large intestine with a segment - the rectum and crowned by the anus. To listen to you, the Israelites have a thin intestine, not a thin gut ... all heroism has been reduced to the rectum It is so tolerant and geographic. The fighters of Hesallah (the main part) are still in Syria, but will soon return home with victory and with their (our) devices. We are trained in the wisdom of military affairs and combat experience. You cannot beat an ambulance, of course, but aggressors can and should be, in fact, just like the other day in the Second Lebanon. According to the Pharaohs, these are your unconfirmed fables. The Egyptians themselves, the pope of the history of Herodotus about your brother did not hear. The Persians did not hear about you either. No one has heard of an empire from sea to sea. And the Hittites traitors in cuneiforms described all the cities and towns, but you are not. How so? You survived them, but they did not hear about you. Well, with Elia and the Arab city of Quds, everything is already very clear. Well, when a certain nationalist begins to boast in front of another of his ancestry, he forgets one thing, that each person descended from the first ancestor, and not collapsed from the oak. Everyone is living.

[abyssal]

Quote: hrych

So on average, if the shell is exported for 13-15 million dollars, then our military it costs in the region a little more than 2 million dollars, but in rubles naturally.

Why not 2 million rubles? Where are such interesting figures from?

Quote: hrych

But our shooting costs a penny.

RIA-Novosti think differently

However, it is simply irrational to shoot an expensive rocket at a drone made "on the knee" from cheap components. "The cost of such a device reaches a maximum of a thousand dollars. The Pantsir rocket several orders of magnitude more expensive.

Dispute?

[hrych]

Quote: abyssal

Dispute?

Of course. Drone to drone. If the device itself with wings, a motor and explosives can cost a thousand dollars, but these drones fly tens of kilometers, are guided by satellite navigation systems, correction was carried out including via an enemy electronic warfare aircraft barrage near the Syrian border, etc. At the final section, you just need to stupidly hit the airfield, it’s huge, but you’ll hit equipment and personnel. Those. There is a certain guidance system not only for coordinates, but also for a specific target. Either telecasting with radio command guidance, or another GOS selective target. Here you won’t get away with a thousand dollars, even though the Professor is sculpting here. It requires a specialist, equipment is required, etc. Radio suppression systems are working and the drone must have an encoded control channel to overcome them. These are Kassams from water pipes cost a hundred bucks, and Israelis spend hundreds of thousands to intercept their salvo. The shell uses a radio command-guided missile, which costs not hundreds of thousands, but thousands of dollars. Everything is done by a ground station with a radar (FAR), and with an OES in the optical and infrared spectrum and via a radio channel directs the missile at the target. Also, near a drone or rocket, it is stupidly fired from a cannon because the Shell is the missile-cannon complex. Therefore, the Shell armor is stupidly radio-controlled without GOS, costing approximately equal to a radio-controlled drone, much cheaper than a drone with GOS, more expensive than a hail shot, etc. NUR, but not by an order of magnitude. Therefore, the cost of the Shell for intercepting targets is commensurate with the target, especially inexpensive when using a gun, but Jews spend tens of thousands of dollars on a penny-shekel target. The Iron Dome missile with radio command guidance and the RGSN is in the region of 40 thousand bucks. A Shell rocket with only radio command guidance and without the most expensive RGSN component costs a couple of thousand bucks. That’s the whole difference, and the turn of the Shell automatic gun costs hundreds of bucks. When a more expensive Dome rocket costs 40 bucks, Bookkeeper-Professor rated the Shell shell rocket at

Quote: professor

The cost of one 57E6 rocket is approximately $ 270 000. That is, two hundred and seventy times more drone, CEP you, as always, by ..

Professor of course the famous disinfectant But then he didn’t cheat The length of both missiles is 3 meters each, the mass in the region of 90 kg is also close, and the performance characteristics are similar ... BUT Jewish, I repeat, has an RCGS - the most expensive component, but the 57E6 missile has NO. However, the Professor rated our more expensive 7-10 times Complete nonsense When on the contrary, our rocket should be 10 times cheaper than the Jewish one

[abyssal]

Quote: hrych

Of course. Drone to drone. If the device itself with wings, a motor and explosives can cost a thousand dollars, but these drones fly tens of kilometers, are guided by satellite navigation systems, correction was carried out including via an enemy electronic warfare aircraft bartering near the Syrian border, etc.

You will save your fantasies for the witnesses of the sect of Konashenkov's statements that in the manufacture of drones from plywood and blue electrical tape in sheds "it was not without the help of the leading countries in the field of UAVs."

Quote: hrych

Those. There is a certain guidance system not only for coordinates, but also for a specific target. Either telecasting with radio command guidance, or another GOS selective target. Here you won’t get away with a thousand dollars, even though the Professor is sculpting here.

As far as I remember from the statements of the same Konashenkov, all these "high-tech" drones attacking Khmeimim were knocked down and suppressed by means of electronic warfare. Have you studied them? Is there "tele-guidance" or "other seeker that selects targets"?

Quote: hrych

The shell uses a radio command-guided missile, which costs not hundreds of thousands, but thousands of dollars

It is in your understanding and is called - refuted? Hmm .. Once again: I'm not interested in your fantasies and beliefs, I'm interested in numbers. Do you have any source confirming your conclusions? Though the seediest?

Quote: hrych

Professor, of course, a well-known disinfectant. But here it was not pozzy chewing. The length of both missiles was 3 meters, both of them had 90 kg in weight, and their performance characteristics were similar, too ... BUT the Jewish one, I repeat, has an RCGS - the most expensive component, and the 57E6 missile NO. However, the Professor rated our more expensive 7-10 times complete nonsense. On the contrary, our rocket should be 10 times cheaper than the Jewish one.

"Professor", unlike you, gives reasons for his numbers. You offer to take your word for it. Do you feel the difference? Do you have anything other than "I will be a bastard"?

[hrych]

Quote: abyssal

sect statements of Konashenkov

Who are you against Konoshenkov? What right and justification do you have for criticizing him? What can you know more than the current general?

Quote: abyssal

The "professor", unlike you, gives reasons for his numbers.

If a person unreasonably racket, relatively simple, estimated at a fabulous quarter of a million, then you believed Well, there is a disinformer, he is forgiven, but the "believer" is not

[abyssal]

Quote: hrych

Who are you against Konoshenkov? What right and justification do you have for criticizing him? What can you know more than the current general?

I am the one who, unlike the general general, is able to understand that in order to make a flying craft from papier-mâché and scotch tape, it is absolutely not necessary that "leading countries in the production of UAVs" would share with you the technologies.
I am the one who, unlike the whole general, was not caught in a lie.
Did I answer the question?

Quote: hrych

Quote: abyssal
The "professor", unlike you, gives reasons for his numbers.

If a person unjustifiably estimated a racket, relatively simple, at a fabulous quarter of a million, then you believed. Okay, there is a disinformer, he is forgiven, but the "believer" is not

"Believers" are those who accept your empty, unsupported (though repeatedly requested) statements about the value of the Shell missile at face value.
"I give a tooth" for adequate people - not enough. Well, is there at least some (even the most seedy) source confirming your statements?
You see.

[hrych]

But rise to the General in the most powerful militarily power. Get his education, including an academic degree in air defense, which is also the most advanced state in air defense, missile defense and missile defense. Then we’ll talk, otherwise we’ll just blame the generals from the couch

[abyssal]

Quote: hrych

But rise to the General in the most powerful militarily power. Get his education, including an academic degree in air defense, which is also the most advanced state in air defense, missile defense and missile defense. Then we’ll talk, otherwise we’ll just blame the generals from the couch

About the lie of the general and his crazy fantasies about the leading powers who helped "design" drones from papier-mâché, as far as I understand, there will be no objections?
You would have sat grunt and did not shine.

[Professor]

Quote: hrych

Well, I read it from your link: "The" Armor "definitely wins in terms of cost characteristics, both of the combat vehicle itself and a rather simple missile to manufacture." What did you mean by that? Firstly, for the Russian army, Russian-made equipment costs not in dollars, but in rubles and in terms of purchasing power parity. This export goes for currency. Purchasing power parity is given by the exchange rate of the dollar, i.e. 1 to 60, and in the region of 1 to 10. So, on average, if the Pantsir is exported for 13-15 million dollars, then it costs our military in the region a little more than 2 million dollars, but naturally in rubles. The ammunition is even funnier, I have a relative in the management of the enterprise where the shells of the Pantsir are stuffed, so the price there was absolutely ridiculous, I'll get through, say with or without a radio command head, but it was in the region of several tens of thousands of rubles. If I am not mistaken 60 or 70 thousand rubles. I was surprised then, but did not memorize the exact numbers. Maybe they tear three skins from the Arabs, they have the right and they have nowhere to go, since the Armor was taken. But our firing costs a penny.

Especially for you again and slowly:
A drone with a super duper control system, inertial and satellite, a bunch of sensors costs $ 1000 (one thousand).
The cost of one complex of the Pantsir-S1 air defense missile complex is ~ $ 14 000 000. The cost of one 57E6 rocket is approximately $ 270 000. I.e two hundred and seventy times the droneCEP You are as always past ..
https://www.belrynok.by/2018/05/24/zenitnye-kompleksy-maloj-dalnosti-zashhiti-sebya-sam/
You say:
A drone is not cheap or shekel if it has a guidance system and is equal in value to a missile with a radio command guidance of the Shell, unlike expensive missiles with an IKGSN and RGSN.
What is stupidity. The numbers are given above in the link to Russian source. Try to refute.

Quote: hrych

Did you fix something Oleg?

I state a fact. Against Estonia, your gut is thin so that you don’t get up with the Russians.

With the images of animals in the excavations of the synagogue in Beit Alpha figured out, are you our homegrown historian?

[hrych]

Quote: professor

A drone with a super duper control system, inertial and satellite, a bunch of sensors costs $ 1000 (one thousand).

You’re still a Global Hawk There, calculate the Barmalean estimate

Quote: professor

The cost of one 57E6 rocket is approximately $ 270. That is, two hundred and seventy times the drone,

I tell you once again, the delivery from the enterprise at 57E6, as many as 70 thousand rubles. And not from your unsubstantiated delirium, but from the first hands of the producers ... There are no 270 thousands on your link, and the snowstorm is utter.

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in a link to a Russian source

The Yellow Spring is not the official mouthpiece of Rosoboronexport. Moreover, not Russian, but Belarusian See the faces of this site
https://www.belrynok.by/authors/ Там банковский специалист Professor, Department of Economics of Parliamentarism some political emigrant living in the USA, consulting servant tax auditor and some women Awesome spring, awesome professionals Shame, not a source.

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excavations of a synagogue in Beit Alpha sorted out

I’ve quoted an Israeli archaeologist to you about the falsification of artifacts, but you are no match for him, excuse me. He has a degree, not a nickname on the site

[Professor]

Quote: hrych

You’re still a Global Hawk: rate the thing. Calculate the Barmalean estimate there.

Hrych again sat in a puddle. Not tired?
Here are the Barmalean drones:

Official report of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation:
https://www.gazeta.ru/army/2019/08/12/12573145.shtml
Do you think it stands like a shell rocket?

That's where we get the control system with GPS, inertial, receiver and transmitter, and other sensors and software.
https://www.gearbest.com/rc-quadcopters/pp_009164662742.html?wid=1433363&currency=ILS&vip=4446207&gclid=Cj0KCQjw9fntBRCGARIsAGjFq5HsgiZ_srqoE11hAtPUB0-4AUSldngoZ-RmalZY_HYnuTa9zk8Lkv0aAgLVEALw_wcB
Retail price $ 184.75. Those. less than two hundred dollars, CEP.

Quote: hrych

I tell you once again, the delivery from the enterprise at 57E6, as many as 70 thousand rubles. And not from your unsubstantiated delirium, but from the first hands of the producers ... There are no 270 thousands on your link, and the snowstorm is utter.

Have you forgotten how to count? I will teach.
Given:
In the 2006 year, Russia and Syria entered into a contract for the purchase of 36 anti-aircraft missile and cannon systems “Shell-S1” and 850 missiles for them totaling about 730 million dollars.
The cost of one complex is Shell ~ $ 14 000 000.
Payment:
36 * $ 14 000 000 = $ 504 000 000 is the price of complexes from the full price in $ 730 000 000.
$ 730 000 000- $ 504 000 000 = $ 226 000 000 remains on the rockets
The price of one rocket $ 226 000 000 / 850 = $ 265 - TWO SIX FIVE THOUSAND EIGHT HUNDREDS or rude TWENTY SEVENTY THOUSAND DOLLARS.

You need to go back to third grade, grunt.

Quote: hrych

The Yellow Spring is not the official mouthpiece of Rosoboronexport. Especially not Russian, but Belarusian Look at the faces of this site
https://www.belrynok.by/authors/ Там банковский специалист Профессор кафедры экономики парламентаризма какой-то политэмигрант живущий в США, консалтинговых услужник налоговый аудитор и какие-то бабы Потрясающий источник, потрясающие специалисты Срамота, а не источник.

Until you imagine your source, this will be considered official. Your fantasies are not interesting to me.

Quote: hrych

I’ve quoted an Israeli archaeologist to you about the falsification of artifacts, but you are no match for him, excuse me. He has a degree, not a nickname on the site

Did someone say that the excavation at Beit Alpha was falsified? Why are you lying? It is not necessary to fall into childhood.

[Dart2027]

Quote: professor

Have you forgotten how to count? I will teach.

We consider

In 2006, Russia and Syria signed a purchase contract 36 anti-aircraft missile and cannon systems "Shell-S1" and 850 9M311 missiles costing about 730 million. Deliveries were made from 2008 to 2011 year.
In 2006, Algeria signed a contract (price - 500 million) with Rosoboronexport for the acquisition 38 combat vehicles of the modified ZRPK “Pantsir-S1” on the wheeled chassis KAMAZ-6560 and 900 9M311 missiles.

https://vpk.name/news/79240_neprobivaemyii_pancir.html
That is, there are more cars and missiles, and the price is less. Well, what is the price of your calculations? You need to count at the price paid by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, and not export contracts.

[Professor]

Quote: Dart2027

Quote: professor

Have you forgotten how to count? I will teach.

We consider

In 2006, Russia and Syria signed a purchase contract 36 anti-aircraft missile and cannon systems "Shell-S1" and 850 9M311 missiles costing about 730 million. Deliveries were made from 2008 to 2011 year.
In 2006, Algeria signed a contract (price - 500 million) with Rosoboronexport for the acquisition 38 combat vehicles of the modified ZRPK “Pantsir-S1” on the wheeled chassis KAMAZ-6560 and 900 9M311 missiles.

https://vpk.name/news/79240_neprobivaemyii_pancir.html
That is, there are more cars and missiles, and the price is less. Well, what is the price of your calculations? You need to count at the price paid by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, and not export contracts.

You shouldn't have posted a link confirming my calculations, otherwise the bastard will see that it is not on the "Belarusian dissidents" and will hang himself.

Give a link to the price paid by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, and not to export contracts. Do you think that it is 270 times smaller than export and Arabs are suckers?

PS
PS
The Algerian contract was comprehensive for $ 8 billion and how many 750 missiles cost in it is not known.

[Dart2027]

Quote: professor

confirming my calculations laid out

What are the calculations? I posted a link confirming that they are divorced from reality

Quote: Dart2027

That is, there are more cars and missiles, and the price is less. Well, what is the price of your calculations?

Quote: professor

Do you think that it is 270 times smaller than the export and Arabs suckers?

It’s always cheaper for yourself.

Quote: professor

Algerian contract was $ 8 billion complex and how much it cost 750 missiles

Especially for you highlighted in bold, but I can repeat it.

Quote: Dart2027

In 2006, Algeria signed a contract (price - 500 million) with Rosoboronexport for the purchase of 38 combat vehicles of the modified Pantsir-C1 air defense missile system on a KamAZ-6560 wheeled chassis and 900 9M311 missiles.

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Give a link to the price paid by the Russian Defense Ministry

If you aren’t in the know, then this is classified information, only to understand that the missiles such a cost for near-range air defense, the budget of the Russian Federation simply will not draw exact numbers; it is not necessary to know the exact numbers. In addition, a small-sized missile system is now used against drones, which is much smaller and cheaper than the standard one (1 launchers are included in 4 launcher).

[Professor]

Quote: Dart2027

What are the calculations? I posted a link confirming that they are divorced from reality

In your link:
In the 2006 year, Russia and Syria entered into a contract for the purchase of 36 anti-aircraft missile-cannon systems "Shell-S1" and 850 9M311 missiles worth about 730 million dollars. Deliveries were made from 2008 to 2011 year.
What makes the price of one rocket in 270 000 dollars. There were no other weapons in the deal.

Quote: Dart2027

It’s always cheaper for yourself.

270 times ??????? What is your level of profitability at last?

Quote: Dart2027

Especially for you highlighted in bold, but I can repeat it.

And I can repeat to you:
https://sputniknews.com/russia/2007032962781987/
In March 2006, during a visit by Russian President Vladimir Putin to Algeria, both countries signed a large package of contracts worth about $ 8 billion, including the delivery of 28 Su-30 MKI Flanker multi-purpose fighters, 34 MiG-29 Fulcrum fighters , 16 Yak-130 trainers, four S300PMU air defense systems, 38 Pantsir S1 short-range missile-gun systems, 185 T-90S tanks and 218 Kornet-3 anti-tank missile systems.
$ 500 is most likely the price for 38 complexes. 500 / 38 = 13.1, which corresponds to the average price for the complex without ammunition.
Estimated cost of the complex “Shell-S1” - 13 – 15 million dollars (the last figure for export samples).
https://vpk.name/news/79240_neprobivaemyii_pancir.html

Quote: Dart2027

If you aren’t in the know, this is classified information, just to understand that missiles of such a cost for short-range air defense will not be pulled by the budget of the Russian Federation to know the exact numbers. In addition, a small-sized missile system is now used against drones, which is much smaller and cheaper than the standard one (1 units are immediately included in the 4 launcher).

1. The known cost of a two-stage supersonic solid-fuel rocket 57E6Е is $ 270 000 under the Syrian contract. If we assume that the price is lower for the domestic market, then it will not be less than 100%. that is, the order of $ 140 000 and certainly not $ 1000. Arabs do not fuckers overpay 270 times.
2. What will pull the budget and what will not pull is just speculation and speculation, however, like the price in the domestic market. By the way, only about 90 complexes were delivered to the Russian Federation at a well-known export price in 13-15 lyam greens ($ 1.2 billion). It's not 900, but about 90 complexes.
3. Regarding the ratio of internal and external arms prices. An indicative example is the T-90 tank.
The export value of the T-90С tank is about $ 2,5 million, and the cost of the deeply modernized T-90MS reaches $ 4,3 million.
https://www.forbes.ru/biznes/349379-pyat-samyh-prodavaemyh-tankov-v-mire-est-li-konkurenty-u-rossiyskogo-bestsellera-t-90


SV Commander-in-Chief Alexander Postnikov ... As an example, he said that the world-famous latest Russian T-90 tank is actually the 17 modification of the Soviet T-72. Moreover, its cost is currently 118 million rubles per unit.
https://ria.ru/20110315/354097106.html

118 million rubles in the 2011 year is $ 4 000 000.

Here you have the ratio of internal and external prices. 1 to 1.

[Dart2027]

Quote: professor

In your link

Quote: professor

$ 500 is most likely the price for 38 complexes.

My link clearly states both about the complexes and about the missiles, which I also singled out.

Quote: professor

Estimated cost of the complex

Keyword indicative. That is, an option that can be reviewed depending on the situation. They could be sold for 13-15, and for example, 20-25. An example of the difference in prices for different contracts I gave.

Quote: professor

It's not 900, but about 90 complexes

Which 900?

Quote: Dart2027

In 2006, Algeria signed a contract (price - $ 500 million) with Rosoboronexport for the acquisition of 38 combat vehicles modified ZRPK "Shell-C1" on a wheeled chassis KamAZ-6560 and 900 missiles 9M311.

Quote: professor

Moreover, its cost is currently 118 million rubles per unit.

In 2010 year The purchase price of T-90 under the contracts for the supply to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation was 70 million rubles. As of on 2011 year the cost of the new T-90 is noticeable increased and amounted to 118 million rubles. Since the end of 2011, the purchase of T-90 tanks for the Russian Armed Forces has been discontinued.
http://gorvesti.ru/society/v-volgogradskoy-oblasti-tankisty-opustilis-pod-vodu-na-5-metrov-75968.html
That is, they bought for 70 millions, and then some games began, and most likely they just switched to a new modification.

[Professor]

Quote: Dart2027

My link clearly states both about the complexes and about the missiles, which I also singled out.

In other links, there is no mention of $ 500 lyamas in this contract. Moreover, the Stockholm Institute reports the supply of 750 missiles, not 900. This is a large contract in the $ 8 billion part of which is Panzit. The Russian Federation could even donate these missiles for the sake of $ 8 billion. Nevertheless, only the Syrian contract allows us to calculate the cost of missiles since nothing was delivered other than missiles and systems.

Quote: Dart2027

The keyword is indicative. That is, an option that can be reviewed depending on the situation. They could be sold for 13-15, and for example, 20-25. An example of the difference in prices for different contracts I gave.

Price run on concluded 13-15 contracts, not 20.

Quote: Dart2027

Which 900?

This is about pulling the budget or not. For Russian needs, only 90 complexes were delivered.

Quote: Dart2027

In 2010, the purchase price of T-90 under contracts for the supply of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation was 70 million rubles. As of 2011 year, the cost of the new T-90 has risen markedly and amounted to 118 million rubles. Since the end of 2011, the purchase of T-90 tanks for the Russian Armed Forces has been discontinued.
http://gorvesti.ru/society/v-volgogradskoy-oblasti-tankisty-opustilis-pod-vodu-na-5-metrov-75968.html
That is, they bought for 70 millions, and then some games began, and most likely they just switched to a new modification.

Absolutely right. At that time, T-90 were also exported for $ 2.5 lama. Then they raised the price to $ 4 lyamov. Just like for the Russian army. Moreover, they could not cut the price for the Russian army and the army stopped the purchase of this tank. So it turns out that for the Russian army and for export, the price of the T-90 was the same. 1 to 1. Do you provide links?

So, the Pantsir rocket on the domestic market is not worth $ 1 or even $ 000 when on the foreign market it costs $ 100. Arabs know how to bargain.

[Dart2027]

Quote: professor

In other links, there is no mention of $ 500 lyam in this contract.

So there is no other information that contradicts the above. Do you have a specific source that says that such a rocket costs so much?
Not to mention the fact that the Russian Armor actually uses the 57E6 missile, which is not included in the contracts under consideration, and now small-scale and low-cost anti-drone missiles are coming into service, which then basically did not exist.
https://iz.ru/695679/aleksandr-kruglov-nikolai-surkov/pantciri-vooruzhili-zenitnymi-gvozdiami

Quote: professor

Stockholm Institute reports

And the military-industrial complex is about 900. They are actually closer to the topic.

Quote: professor

Contract Price Run

I have already given an example.

Quote: professor

For Russian needs, only 90 complexes were delivered.

In fact, in the Russian Federation a layered air defense system, so an excessive amount is simply not necessary.

Quote: professor

Then they raised the price to $ 4 lyamov.

Why did you pick it up? T-90MS is another modification and naturally stands in a different way, but it appeared later. Then around the T-90 constantly there were some strange statements, seemingly from the military, in which no one could understand anything.

[Professor]

Quote: Dart2027

So there is no other information that contradicts the above. Do you have a specific source that says that such a rocket costs so much?

There is. The Syrian contract where, in addition to missiles and systems, they did not throw planes, helicopters and other weapons for $ 8 billion.
Your link says that
- First of all, we are talking about the interception of small drones and single unguided missiles. To combat such goals, it is possible to use a full-time “Shell” missile, but too expensive, ”the specialist explained.

How so? Hrych claimed that the cost of a rocket and a drone are the same ..

Further. The article does not indicate the date of the upcoming adoption. Accordingly, there are no "budgetary" missiles in Syria now. And most importantly, the article does not even hint at the cost of the "budget" rocket. It is not known whether it will cost $ 100 or $ 000, but I can say with confidence that such a rocket cannot be produced for $ 50.

Quote: Dart2027

Contract Price Run
I have already given an example.

... and I quoted where it says that the export price of the complex 13-15 lyamov. No more and no less.

Quote: Dart2027

Quote: professor
Stockholm Institute reports
And the military-industrial complex is about 900. They are actually closer to the topic.

750 missiles also take place in Russian sources, but this is not important either. It is important that 38 systems and 750 or 900 missiles for $ 500 are not realistic.

Quote: Dart2027

In fact, in the Russian Federation a layered air defense system, so an excessive amount is simply not necessary.

It's not about "need" or "not need". speech will pull the budget of the rocket at $ 270 or not. With so many complexes, it will pull.

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Quote: professor
Then they raised the price to $ 4 lyamov.
Why did you pick it up? T-90MS is another modification and naturally stands in a different way, but it appeared later. Then around the T-90 constantly there were some strange statements, seemingly from the military, in which no one could understand anything.

When the "other modification" appeared, the price went up accordingly. However, we are not talking about this, but about the fact that the tank cost 70 lam in the domestic market - the same amount for export. Then on the domestic 118 lyam and the same amount for export. So why should we think that the Pantsir export missile (in fact, it is generally accepted that the "cut-off" version is exported and, accordingly, with a lower cost) is more expensive than the Russian army going into service if the situation with the T-90 tells us otherwise?

[Dart2027]

Quote: professor

There is. The Syrian contract where, in addition to missiles and systems, they did not throw planes, helicopters and other weapons for $ 8 billion.

Do these complexes include charging machines, which rely on one each of two Armor units? Or is it in some places that they say about the delivery from 36 to 50 units? In 2000, a contract was concluded with the UAE for the supply of 50 Shell for 734 million, but given that they will also be developed with the same money, that is, the real cost is 2 times less.

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The article does not indicate the date of the upcoming adoption. Accordingly, there are no "budgetary" missiles in Syria now.

Well, where do you think they should be tested? It was there that, in fact, the fact that in this war there was a simultaneous testing of new weapons was long said.

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that in the domestic market the tank cost 70 lyamov, the same amount for export

Firstly, 70 lyama is 2,2 lyama of dollars, which is cheaper, secondly, the equipment in the export configuration is different from its own, for example, the T-90MS is exported with at least another gun of the previous type, which costs less than the last development, or air defense frigates 11356 / Talwar - the difference is visible immediately. So, taking this into account, it’s cheaper for yourself.

[Professor]

Quote: Dart2027

Do these complexes include charging machines, which rely on one each of two Armor units? Or is it in some places that they say about the delivery from 36 to 50 units? In 2000, a contract was concluded with the UAE for the supply of 50 Shell for 734 million, but given that they will also be developed with the same money, that is, the real cost is 2 times less.

The UAE is not your typical contract. Don't you know? The Arabs paid for the development and, accordingly, received the complexes at a "unique" price. Why not free at all?
Stockholm Institute points to the number of Shell complexes delivered by Syria in 36 units. I see no reason not to trust this organization.

Quote: Dart2027

Well, where do you think they should be tested? It was there that, in fact, the fact that in this war there was a simultaneous testing of new weapons was long said.

In my opinion, the tests take place at the training ground in the presence of the sea to the people, including heaps of civilians. In case of failure, no one dies and an unlearned target destroys no one.

Quote: Dart2027

Firstly, 70 lyama is 2,2 lyama of dollars, which is cheaper, secondly, the equipment in the export configuration is different from its own, for example, the T-90MS is exported with at least another gun of the previous type, which costs less than the last development, or air defense frigates 11356 / Talwar - the difference is visible immediately. So, taking this into account, it’s cheaper for yourself.

First of all, 70 Llama in 2011 is 2,5 Lama of dollars. This is se la vi.
Secondly, a cannon is cheaper or a cannon is not cheaper, this does not make the weather, since the tank was exported at the same price, and the cannon and other bells and whistles do not cost 70% of the cost of the tank. When the modernized version came up, it began to cost 118 wooden lamas in the domestic market and, accordingly, in the external market in dollars. That is, the urban legend that it is several times cheaper for itself than for the hillock has not been confirmed. From here we can draw a conclusion about the price of the Pantsir rocket. It cost $ 270 on the outside, so on the inside it is not much cheaper. Well, and NOT $ 000 or even $ 1 IN ANY WAY.

PS
In fairness, I’ll point out that UralVagonZavod makes a discount for the Russian buyer, but after the discount you don’t have to talk about the difference in times for yourself and for others.

[Dart2027]

Quote: professor

Stockholm Institute indicates the number of shell complexes delivered to Syria

As far as I understand, he receives information not from his own intelligence, but from those who agree to provide it, so it's hard to say how informed they are. And returning to the number - with 36 combat vehicles there should be loading machines (according to the state of 18), otherwise the operation will be, to put it mildly, problematic, but not a word about them. There is a battery control center - are they included in the supply or not? Maintenance tools - similar? And all this is part of the complexes? How about training - is it part of the contract or not? Do you know their price and can post? Personally, I do not

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tests take place at the test site

The missiles were introduced back in 2017, and the January article, 2018, is a small-sized rocket, that is, you can’t physically push a lot into it, and the smaller the filling, the easier it all goes, plus a new rocket, not the installation. Landfill - the passed stage.

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First of all, 70 Llama in 2011 is 2,5 Lama of dollars. This is se la vi.

Weighted average dollar rate from 01.01.2011 to 31.12.2011 - 29.3874
https://ratestats.com/dollar/2011/
So I was a little mistaken in a big way - not 2,2, but 2, 05 lyama.

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Secondly, it does not make the gun cheaper or cheaper than the gun, because the tank was exported at the same price, and the gun and other bells and whistles do not cost 70%

Why? The gun is the simplest example, there is a lot of equipment and there are different options.

[Professor]

Quote: Dart2027

As far as I understand, he receives information not from his own intelligence, but from those who agree to provide it, so it's hard to say how informed they are. And returning to the number - with 36 combat vehicles there should be loading machines (according to the state of 18), otherwise the operation will be, to put it mildly, problematic, but not a word about them. There is a battery control center - are they included in the supply or not? Maintenance tools - similar? And all this is part of the complexes? How about training - is it part of the contract or not? Do you know their price and can post? Personally, I do not

I can. It has already been announced: 13-15 lyamas for the complex for export. Yes, and about the loader, will Kamaz with an arrow cost more than $ 270? That is, more expensive than one rocket? We also know how much per diem costs in Syria. Training is "free".

I trust the institute. And not just me.

Quote: Dart2027

The missiles were introduced back in 2017, and the January article, 2018, is a small-sized rocket, that is, you can’t physically push a lot into it, and the smaller the filling, the easier it all goes, plus a new rocket, not the installation. Landfill - the passed stage.

Again. In case of a miss (normal situation during testing), the factory workers and the commission are ready to die?

Quote: Dart2027

Weighted average dollar rate from 01.01.2011 to 31.12.2011 - 29.3874
https://ratestats.com/dollar/2011/
So I was a little mistaken in a big way - not 2,2, but 2, 05 lyama.

70 / 29.3874 =2.38

Quote: Dart2027

Why? The gun is the simplest example, there is a lot of equipment and there are different options.

No matter how we try, but we won’t even get the 2 factor. Those. The shell rocket will not cost less than $ 150 000 for the Russian army.

[Dart2027]

Quote: professor

She has already been voiced: 13-15 lyam for the complex for export.

Not for the complex, but for the combat vehicle. Nobody said anything about the rest.

Quote: professor

Kamaz with an arrow will cost more than $ 270 000?

Do you know its cost?

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In the event of a miss (normal situation during testing), the factory workers and the commission are ready to die

After the training ground, where there is this same commission, a test is underway in the troops, the same Armata is still being tested. Well, there’s more than one installation on the base, so there is a safety net too ..

Quote: professor

70 / 29.3874 = 2.38

Apparently somewhere wrong when I entered the numbers in the calculator.

Quote: professor

The shell rocket will not cost less than $ 150 000 for the Russian army

Not 270000 anymore, but still a little expensive.

[Professor]

Quote: Dart2027

Not for the complex, but for the combat vehicle. Nobody said anything about the rest.

It is for the complex.

Quote: Dart2027

Quote: professor
Kamaz with an arrow will cost more than $ 270 000?
Do you know its cost?

Looked at prices in the Russian Federation. Order of $ 40 000.

Quote: Dart2027

After the training ground, where there is this same commission, a test is underway in the troops, the same Armata is still being tested. Well, there’s more than one installation on the base, so there is a safety net too ..

Armata tested in battle in Syria? So why is the new Shell test being tested in battle? In case of a miss, no one will die?

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Quote: professor
The shell rocket will not cost less than $ 150 000 for the Russian army
Not 270000 anymore, but still a little expensive.

$ 150 000 I went to meet you. Judging by T90 there is all $ 270 000 there for the Russian army.

Let's finish and let everyone remain in their own opinion.

[Dart2027]

Quote: professor

It is for the complex.

"Shell-C1" is a short-range anti-aircraft missile-gun complex located on a tracked chassis, wheeled chassis of a truck, trailer or installed permanently. We call the complex a combination of guns and missiles. But the presence of additional equipment is already a structural unit.

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Armata tested in battle in Syria? So why is the new Shell test being tested in battle?

What should she do there? The Russian Federation does not conduct active ground operations, the special forces do not need it, in principle, and the military police have different equipment. The shell, as I already wrote, is not alone there, and it also has several launchers and two guns. By the way, nowhere is it said that they shot down with missiles, they could have fired with shells, and that’s a penny.

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Judging by the T90, there is all $ 270 there for the Russian army.

There is simply nothing worth such money. What is the most expensive? Electronics. And what is the 57E6E missile (a regular missile since 2010)? Control and guidance system - radio command control. http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-558.html That is, in fact, the same small drone.

[Tank hard]

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Russians are oppressed in the Baltic states and you only express concern. Q.E.D.

Sokolov, what do you care ?! I will never believe that an Israeli like you will worry about Russians, hypocrisy is a terrible sin.

[Dart2027]

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Because these countries are not members of NATO.

Because these countries did not want to accept NATO. I wonder why?

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The cost of one 57E6 rocket is approximately $ 270

In 2012, Algeria purchased them at $ 15000 apiece. If anything, then export is more expensive than for yourself. And how do you know the cost of terrorist drones?

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What are the systems that have no analogues in the world, we have already seen.

This is when all Israeli aircraft tried to destroy 1 Shell?

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we survived the pharaohs

But you yourself had nothing to do with it. And by the way, Egypt, too, has not gone anywhere.

[hrych]

Quote: professor

The cost of one 57E6 rocket is approximately $ 270 000. That is, two hundred and seventy times more drone, CEP you, as always, by ..

Oleg, you surpassed yourself The length of the missiles of the Dome and the Shell is 3 meters, both have a mass of around 90 kg, respectively, and TTX are also close ... BUT yours has radio command guidance and RGSN - the most expensive component, and the 57E6 rocket has it NO, but only radio command guidance. Rocket Dome costs 40 thousand dollars. However, Oleg appreciated our more expensive 7-10 times. So touching When, on the contrary, our rocket should be 10 times cheaper, especially considering PPP It is especially funny when the missile-cannon complex uses ... a cannon. Where did you dig about 270 thousand bucks I can’t imagine. But if we injected into the Arabs a rocket worth several thousand dollars for a quarter of a million bucks, then marketing geniuses are sitting in our DefenseExport Therefore, you spend at Kassam, worth a hundred bucks, a Dome rocket, worth 40 thousands, and we spend hundreds of bucks against a drone, several thousand, when we use a cannon of a rocket-cannon Shell. Well, when we use a missile with radio command guidance, I repeat, without gos, the cost of the target-drone and missiles about the same in a couple of thousand

[Professor]

Quote: hrych

Quote: professor

The cost of one 57E6 rocket is approximately $ 270 000. That is, two hundred and seventy times more drone, CEP you, as always, by ..

Oleg, you surpassed yourself The length of the missiles of the Dome and the Shell is 3 meters, both have a mass of around 90 kg, respectively, and TTX are also close ... BUT yours has radio command guidance and RGSN - the most expensive component, and the 57E6 rocket has it NO, but only radio command guidance. Rocket Dome costs 40 thousand dollars. However, Oleg appreciated our more expensive 7-10 times. So touching When, on the contrary, our rocket should be 10 times cheaper, especially considering PPP It is especially funny when the missile-cannon complex uses ... a cannon. Where did you dig about 270 thousand bucks I can’t imagine. But if we injected into the Arabs a rocket worth several thousand dollars for a quarter of a million bucks, then marketing geniuses are sitting in our DefenseExport Therefore, you spend at Kassam, worth a hundred bucks, a Dome rocket, worth 40 thousands, and we spend hundreds of bucks against a drone, several thousand, when we use a cannon of a rocket-cannon Shell. Well, when we use a missile with radio command guidance, I repeat, without gos, the cost of the target-drone and missiles about the same in a couple of thousand

1. You have manual production, we have automatic lines minus the salaries of Rogozin and the company. Well, it’s not our fault that you forgot how to do it cheaply.
2. We open our eyes and look at the link:
https://www.belrynok.by/2018/05/24/zenitnye-kompleksy-maloj-dalnosti-zashhiti-sebya-sam/
In the 2006 year, Russia and Syria entered into a contract for the purchase of 36 anti-aircraft missile and cannon systems “Shell-S1” and 850 missiles for them totaling about 730 million dollars. Deliveries were made from 2008 to 2011 year.
The cost of one complex ~ $ 14 million. Calculator in hand and the price of ONE Shell shell rocket is $ 270 000.

Now refute with facts and links. Your fantasies don't interest me.

[hrych]

Quote: professor

we have automatic lines minus salaries

Wow, golem robots are working Oleg do not carry a nonsense please
About the Belarusian political émigré economists of this wacky site, I already answered above Source is awesome Costing crap should not be done, since the source is insignificant Find a normal source, and then discuss. Three times you give me a link to this blizzard, these economists of the country have no relation to the Shell Oleg, do not be afraid

[Professor]

Quote: hrych

Quote: professor

we have automatic lines minus salaries

Wow, golem robots are working Oleg do not carry a nonsense please
About the Belarusian political émigré economists of this wacky site, I already answered above Source is awesome Costing crap should not be done, since the source is insignificant Find a normal source, and then discuss. Three times you give me a link to this blizzard, these economists of the country have no relation to the Shell Oleg, do not be afraid

1. The cost of a Tamir rocket has been voiced repeatedly, and efforts to reduce this cost have been voiced repeatedly.
2. Your fantasies are not interesting to me, and as long as the link on the cost of the Shell shell rocket is presented to you, the link I posted will be indisputable. Dare, grunt.

[hrych]

Quote: professor

howling fantasies are not interesting to me

Who is interested in your fantasies? The link to the website of Belarusian accountants is amazing, and you’re still calculating their fables

[Professor]

Quote: hrych

Quote: professor

howling fantasies are not interesting to me

Who is interested in your fantasies? The link to the website of Belarusian accountants is amazing, and you’re still calculating their fables

The grunt merged. Which is to be expected.

[Dart2027]

Quote: professor

To declare war on the United States or even on one NATO country like Estonia, the gut is thin.

Do you hope that in this case it will be possible to sit aside?

Quote: professor

In Syria, there is no enemy opposition, and therefore "testing" of aviation and the CD without air defense, on the other hand, is not a test.

Whenever I start hearing about what a mighty IDF, I remember who were his opponents.

[Professor]

Quote: Dart2027

Whenever I start hearing about what a mighty IDF, I remember who were his opponents.

Do you remember 10 Soviet "advisers" in Egypt alone, or do you remember how you have been "defeating" barefoot people in Syria for 000 years? Share your memories.

[Aviator_]

Why are there so few Soviet advisers? It was necessary to write "one hundred thousand miles."

[Professor]

Quote: Aviator_

Why are there so few Soviet advisers? It was necessary to write "one hundred thousand miles."

That is how many people ran to receive a supplement to their pension as "internationalist warriors." Deal with them.

[bukhach]

Russia has been fighting in Syria for the fifth year to the best of its ability, but how can you not calm the Arabs over decades? It seems like victory after victory, and things are still there. Share your experience - how do you manage it? Seriously, I sincerely don't understand why the strong For so many years economically, politically and on the defensive, has the state failed to secure a quiet existence for itself? Constantly rockets, shelling, intifada, etc. Why?

[Professor]

Quote: Buhach

Russia in Syria has been fighting for the fifth year to the best of its abilities, but how can you not reassure Arabs for decades

Stop climbing here and everything will settle down.

Quote: Buhach

It seems like victory after victory, and things are still there. Share your experience - how do you manage it? Seriously, I sincerely do not understand why a state that is economically, politically and on the defensive for so many years cannot ensure itself a quiet existence?

It seems calm. The Fylistians from Gaza climb on Iranian money. Money runs out and the war ends.

Quote: Buhach

Constantly rockets, shelling, intifada, etc. Why?

Fylystynsky business for sponsorship money. Intifad was long gone. Missiles will soon also be gone, as was not 10 years ago.

[Tank hard]

Quote: professor

Stop climbing here and everything will settle down.

Sokolov, you have a tantrum.

[Vladimir_6]

Sokolov, you have a tantrum.

It can be understood. Their joint "brainchild" with the US, ISIS, was destroyed by Russia. The remains of their joint project with France, the Great Kurdistan Region, Russia is slowly but surely driving into a stall with the hands of Turkey.

[Dart2027]

Quote: professor

Stop climbing here and everything will settle down.

And nobody drives us from there, on the contrary they themselves called.

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

And why should the Communists destroy the country that Comrade Stalin created (I mean Israel)? By the way, when the USSR put an edge on the question of the Sinai Peninsula - the Israeli army left these lands without a fight))) Although they dreamed so, the Israelis dreamed of becoming masters of not only the Dead, but also the Red Sea))) Yes, and 10000 Soviet advisers were not there, it’s just that fear has big eyes)))

[Dart2027]

Quote: professor

Think of 10 Soviet "advisers" in Egypt alone, or

Well, there were fewer of them and most of them were just advisers.
And by the way, how are those who prepared the Georgian army for 2008 doing there? Or those who trained Argentines before the Falkland War? Something they did not really work out.

Quote: professor

or remember how you've been "defeating" barefoot in Syria for 4 years

And with them everything is fine, it is enough to listen to how the rhetoric of those who shouted that Assad should leave has changed.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Dart2027

I remember who his opponents were.

1973
Egypt: 650 soldiers, 000 combat aircraft, 650 tanks.
Syria: 150 soldiers, 000 combat aircraft, 330 tanks.
Iraq (takes part in the war): 230 tanks, 3 squadrons.
Jordan (takes part in the war): 80 tanks.
Morocco: 1500 soldiers on the BMP.
Air defense systems:
Egypt - 150 batteries SA-2 (S-75 Dvina air defense systems), SA-3 (S-125 Pechora air defense systems) and SA-6 (Cube air defense systems).
Syria - 35 batteries of the same air defense system.
120 mm anti-aircraft guns. and up: y Egypt - 2000 guns, Syria - 1200 guns.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

Egypt: Syria: Iraq Morocco: Egypt Syria

Well, that’s what I meant - the outstanding armies of the world.

[StudentVK]

"Until you run out of money"))))) Finely you take revenge) And as for the expression of perversion, you don't know a shit about the campaign in politics. And then, of course, the phrase of a person whose country is just doing just as it has recently turned to us for intermediary functions in the Middle East is touching)) Do you know how to unreasonably discard a tub of DRM.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: StudentVK

the country is just doing as it has recently come to us for intermediary functions in the Middle East

Yes, it’s not quite like that.
Special representative of the President of Russia for Syria Alexander Lavrentiev and Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Vershinin visited Jerusalem, where they held talks on the situation in Syria.
IDF press service announced the end of a series of working meetings between representatives of the Israeli and Russian armies. For the reception of Russian colleagues and the IDF Operational Brigade Commander, Brigadier General Yaniv Asur, was in charge of negotiations. The army press service noted that at the meetings, the military of the two countries discussed a mechanism for coordinating actions in the northern direction in order to avoid future clashes, as well as the actions of the IDF against the strengthening of Iran in Syria, and preventing the transfer of weapons into the hands of Hezbollah.

Quote: StudentVK

You know how to bathe DRMA unjustifiably.

But if you look at FACTS this phrase is more suitable for you

[stalki]

Also an option. But the losing one. Shoot a penny drone worth a million bucks? Strike empty positions with 10 million cruise missiles? This music will be eternal, until you run out of money.

Yes, yeah, it’s very clever, but leaving billions of terrorists alive will cost billions, plus this life, and the worst life of children. Everyone on the planet is aware of what terrorist attacks around the world are worth, except you.

[Igor Aviator]

Quote: professor

To declare war on the United States or even on one NATO country like Estonia, the gut is thin.

Do not understand, are you asking for it? We have a saying: "Don't be dashing while it is quiet!" or: be afraid of your desires - they tend to come true! And at the expense of abilities - you Bene ask the question - why is he in the Kremlin, at the reception to Putin - how to work, often? Is it because Russia cannot do anything? Or maybe that Russia, by chance, by chance, in one motion, would not erase the "Promised Land" ...

[Sling cutter]

Quote: professor

Strike empty positions with cruise missiles 10 million?

we will strike with raldugin violins!

Quote: professor

until you run out of money.

behind Siberia, money does not have an account.

[Victorio]

Quote: professor

No matter how many Russians are oppressed in these countries, Russian "peacekeepers" or green men will not appear in them. Zakharova will express concern.

===
hollow, in these countries, Jews, like Russians, were also issued passports of non-citizens, also harassed and restricted. and marches in honor of the fascist henchmen and their followers are held annually.

[Johann Klassen]

But our great Jewish brother, Israel, has been doing the same thing for decades.
And the massacres of civilians in neighboring countries, elevated by the Israeli leadership to the rank of state policy.

[D16]

To declare war on the United States or even on one NATO country like Estonia, the gut is thin.

What is this for? The EU will abolish handouts and the Balts themselves will be asked to join Russia as autonomy. But I think they won’t take .

[tol100v]

Quote: demo

Shoot down. And send anxious letters.

And if unidentified UAVs arrived accidentally from oil fields controlled ..., then there is only one option: the destruction of aircraft models!

[sharp-lad]

But the adder does not interfere.

[kuz363]

You're sick, and on your head. Because of some kind of Syria do you want to drop the skates?

[Professor]

Quote: abyssal

There are terrorists, their whereabouts are known - why couldn’t they be destroyed before they decided to attack our base?

The question is not in the eyebrow, but in the eye. Now pick up the cons.

[abyssal]

Quote: professor

The question is not in the eyebrow, but in the eye. Now pick up the cons.

I'm not used to it.

Quote: professor

The question is not in the eyebrow, but in the eye.

It is interesting to see the answers to such questions. "Declare war on the United States" is still a leader.

[Thrall]

Quote: abyssal

There are terrorists, their whereabouts are known - why couldn’t they be destroyed before they decided to attack our base?

Yeltsin recalled reading this almost rhetorical question.

Intelligence works, goals are known, but there are not dozens of them, hundreds of them, if not thousands. They move, change activity, become useless, hide behind a peaceful people, return to their families. Destroy everything? Not enough resources. Peaceful people will perish. We have not yet learned to read the thoughts of terrorists from a distance. Therefore, they work in fact. No more stupid than you and my comrades are now making decisions in Syria.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Thrall

Intelligence works, goals are known, but there are not dozens of them, hundreds of them, if not thousands. They move, change activity, become useless, hide behind a peaceful people, return to their families.

Exactly thousands? Maybe millions? and they hide behind a peace man, now a dry land, now a miner, now a surety ... Here, an interesting fact: think, for example, someone to organize some kind of cell, gather soldiers and weapons and wage a "fight" ... Otkel money for all this? Or shoot from your finger? Or cover yourself with a sheet and ... at the cemetery?

Quote: Thrall

Destroy everything? Not enough resources. Peaceful people will perish. We have not yet learned to read the thoughts of terrorists from a distance.

And if, for example, missile (artillery) firing is carried out by forces of the SAR army inside one’s own country, and part of the missiles will hit targets that simply should not exist legally? Moreover, all this can happen due to the impact of the electronic warfare of a neighboring state ... Most importantly, who can present what?

Quote: Thrall

No more stupid than you and my comrades are now making decisions in Syria.

Are you really so naive or want to make us naive? All decisions on Syria are made by gentlemen, who are not close in Syria ...

[Oyo Sarkazmi]

Quote: professor

The question is not in the eyebrow, but in the eye.

This is not our method. This is the method of American cannibals. Drop a bomb on the market or wedding. Collect corpses. All victims, including infants, are counted as liquidated terrorists. You do not need to move a single gyrus. Lyapota!

[Professor]

Quote: Oyo Sarkazmi

Quote: professor

The question is not in the eyebrow, but in the eye.

This is not our method. This is the method of American cannibals. Drop a bomb on the market or wedding. Collect corpses. All victims, including infants, are counted as liquidated terrorists. You do not need to move a single gyrus. Lyapota!

Your method: where the bomb will fall there and the terrorist. The Russian Federation in Syria made tens of thousands of sorties, delivered hundreds of thousands of air strikes, destroyed tens of thousands of terrorists from the air without killing a single civilian. Nonsense.
https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/4213547

[Oyo Sarkazmi]

Americans during the years of Bush’s reign, killed 3 million people in Iraq. They killed indiscriminately, on the streets, videos of executions of taxi drivers and expensive limousines were laid out on YouTube. This caused a ban on the publication of the exploits of American citizens. After all, Lindy England was not convicted of the fact that she killed hundreds of people by torture. And for the leak of photos on the Internet. Gina Haspel did not light up, and straight from the Thai torture chamber she sat in the chair of the CIA director, and not for a week in prison.

[Professor]

Quote: Oyo Sarkazmi

During the years of Bush’s reign, Americans killed 3 million people in Iraq. They killed indiscriminately, on the streets, videos of executions of taxi drivers and expensive limousines were laid out on YouTube. This caused a ban on the publication of the exploits of American citizens. After all, Lindy England was not convicted of the fact that she killed hundreds of people by torture. And for the leak of photos on the Internet.

Not 3 million, but 30. To lie like that. I won’t even ask for evidence of your words.

[tol100v]

Quote: professor

To lie like that.

And if it were the Israelis ?! As for lies and hypocrisy, sometimes you look in the mirror!

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: professor

Your method: where the bomb will fall there and the terrorist.

Pot calls the kettle black. Before talking about the beauty of another, look at yourself - are they good?

[Professor]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Quote: professor

Your method: where the bomb will fall there and the terrorist.

Pot calls the kettle black. Before talking about the beauty of another, look at yourself - are they good?

As a result of the night bombing of the Israeli Air Force, there is at least one dead. As a result, hundreds of thousands of Russian bombardments of the dead are not. What is there to comment on, Mr. Troll?

Quote: Jura

Are you a professor a specific enemy of Russia?

Not. I wish Russia and its people extremely good.

Quote: Jura

Or so, when is it profitable for you? Making money in Russia is not dumb? Or do you make money on everything both in partnership with Russia and in hatred of it (they probably pay the most for this)?

I don’t change my attitude to Russia due to the weather. I don’t make money in Russia. I earn money exclusively on my only job, which has nothing to do with Russia at all. There is no semiconductor industry in Russia and Russia is not our client from the word "absolutely".

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: professor

As a result of the night bombing of the Israeli Air Force, there is at least one dead. As a result, hundreds of thousands of Russian bombardments of the dead are not.

There is a full-blown civil war in Syria, at the beginning of which the United States and Israel are to blame. In such a war, deaths among civilians are inevitable. With whom is Israel waging a full-scale war today, in which civilian casualties are inevitable? With no one. But he continues to kill, like 10 and 20 years ago.

Quote: professor

What is there to comment on, Mr. Troll?

I am not a Jew, so I do not need to ascribe your name.

[poquello]

Quote: professor

There is no semiconductor industry in Russia

la la la, eat and will increase, thanks to sanctions

[Professor]

Quote: poquello

Quote: professor

There is no semiconductor industry in Russia

la la la, eat and will increase, thanks to sanctions

She is not.

[poquello]

Quote: professor

Quote: poquello

Quote: professor

There is no semiconductor industry in Russia

la la la, eat and will increase, thanks to sanctions

She is not.

After all, right now I will write specific enterprises and demagogy will begin like "exports are scanty, there are no volumes", and then the awesome logic that therefore it is not

[Professor]

Quote: poquello

Quote: professor

Quote: poquello

Quote: professor

There is no semiconductor industry in Russia

la la la, eat and will increase, thanks to sanctions

She is not.

After all, right now I will write specific enterprises and demagogy will begin like "exports are scanty, there are no volumes", and then the awesome logic that therefore it is not

I know these "specific enterprises" and I can ask you counter questions that will show that what you have is not an industry, but workshops or manufactories.

[poquello]

Quote: professor

what you have is not industry, but workshops or manufactory.

in which it should

[Professor]

Quote: poquello

Quote: professor

what you have is not industry, but workshops or manufactory.

in which it should

Followed, but not achieved. You generally do not produce equipment for the semiconductor industry. Everything that you try to do is done on bourgeois equipment. There is a little bit of Belarusian. Its not.

[poquello]

Quote: professor

You generally do not produce equipment for the semiconductor industry. Everything that you try to do is done on bourgeois equipment. There is a little bit of Belarusian. Its not.

) that is, if vodka is poured on imported devices, then in Russia there is no vodka?

[Professor]

Quote: poquello

Quote: professor

You generally do not produce equipment for the semiconductor industry. Everything that you try to do is done on bourgeois equipment. There is a little bit of Belarusian. Its not.

) that is, if vodka is poured on imported devices, then in Russia there is no vodka?

Vodka is an example. The semiconductor industry is with you. let's go through the technological chain from the end to the beginning? Although you do not have your own technologies.

[poquello]

Quote: professor

Vodka is an example. The semiconductor industry is with you.

so whose vodka? I haven’t even gotten into what they cut on yet, it’s banal that any production takes equipment that fits the “quality / volume / price” criteria and does not bother with the country by the manufacturer (more precisely, it didn’t bother to the mistrals). As for technologies, they said stupidity in general, where they are not there is a license or placement, their own original products are not made under license.

[Professor]

Quote: poquello

Quote: professor

Vodka is an example. The semiconductor industry is with you.

so whose vodka? I haven’t even gotten into what they cut on yet, it’s banal that any production takes equipment that fits the “quality / volume / price” criteria and does not bother with the country by the manufacturer (more precisely, it didn’t bother to the mistrals). As for technologies, they said stupidity in general, where they are not there is a license or placement, their own original products are not made under license.

Screwdriver assembly is not technology.

Your workshops work on bourgeois technologies, on bourgeois raw materials and on bourgeois equipment under the supervision of bourgeois experts. So what is yours already?

[poquello]

Quote: professor

Screwdriver assembly is not technology.

so whose vodka?
and screwdriver assembly chips is how?

[Professor]

Quote: poquello

Quote: professor

Screwdriver assembly is not technology.

so whose vodka?
and screwdriver assembly chips is how?

If vodka is made on German equipment using German technology, then German vodka is made in Russia. We cook Tuborg. Is it Israeli beer now?
We have a factory in China. We built it, brought in equipment, taught the Chinese to press buttons, we go there to "help", but the products are already "Chinese".

[poquello]

Quote: professor

We have Tuborg brewed.

We also brew it, although it is said loudly, they brewed beer just before modern technologies. It is strange to hear about the "lack of technologies" about a country that under the USSR was on an equal footing with other chip manufacturers (before the restructuring to eight-bit systems at the request of the left heel of Western party worshipers).

Quote: professor

We have a factory in China. We built it, brought in equipment, taught the Chinese to press buttons, we go there to "help", but the products are already "Chinese".

uh, yes you still don’t know that in Russia there are two currents in the development of electronics, those that lick and those that develop

[Professor]

Quote: poquello

We also brew it, although it is said loudly, they brewed beer just before modern technologies. It is strange to hear about the "lack of technologies" about a country that under the USSR was on an equal footing with other chip manufacturers (before the restructuring to eight-bit systems at the request of the left heel of Western party worshipers).

1. The USSR has always chronically lagged behind the bourgeois in electronics. Under the sunset of the scoop, this lag became critical.
2. Many technologies were lost (poher) or remained outside the Russian Federation. For example, in Belarus.

Quote: poquello

uh, yes you still don’t know that in Russia there are two currents in the development of electronics, those that lick and those that develop

I specialize in equipment for the back end and I know worse what happens in the front end.

[poquello]

Quote: professor

The USSR has always chronically lagged behind the bourgeois in electronics.

I have already written about the history of the introduction of the "Unified System" - a line of computers that copied the architecture of American computers of the IBM-360 series. The decision to introduce this copying policy was made in 1967, almost immediately after the appearance of BESM-6, which I consider to be the best computer of that time. Not only in our country, but also in the world. Both in terms of performance and optimal architecture. This was the first Soviet computer with a conveyor architecture, Seymour Cray, Lebedev's main competitor, used it a year and a half later, in the CDC-7600 system. And it is precisely this characteristic feature of the architecture that affects the performance of the system as a whole much more than the parallelism of various computing units.

http://warrax.net/95/06/2cyber.html
smoke the story, here with the 1967 of the year began to catch up

Quote: professor

back end

for programming it is clear, but what "front end" can be for microcircuits? I don't understand what they had to say

[Professor]

Quote: poquello

smoke the story, here with the 1967 of the year began to catch up

https://topwar.ru/164321-proekt-po-sozdaniju-otechestvennoj-mikrojelektroniki-okazalsja-provalnym.html

Quote: poquello

for programming it is clear, but what "front end" can be for microcircuits? I don't understand what they had to say

Silicone, FAB, lithography - front end
Test, wafer cutting, packaging, soldering, encapsulation - back end

[poquello]

Quote: professor

https://topwar.ru/164321-proekt-po-sozdaniju-otechestvennoj-mikrojelektroniki-okazalsja-provalnym.html

sorry, what is this link to? some author titled a particular case of angstrom as "pros ... Russian polymers", well, a stupid person, but he has the right to write

Quote: professor

Silicone, FAB, lithography - front end
Test, wafer cutting, packaging, soldering, encapsulation - back end

oh well, arguments about the "front end" and "tank end" of red silicate brick

[1976AG]

Well, if the manufactory provides electronics for our military equipment, then let it be the manufactory

[stalki]

Russia has nothing to do with it. There is no semiconductor industry in Russia and Russia is not our client from the word "absolutely".

There is a semiconductor and quite enough for the needs of loved ones, it means for military needs. And we have not yet grown up on consumer goods, but everything is in our hands and there is no sense in pursuing leadership in this sector of the world market, there is fierce competition. In this regard, our innovators are quietly working out the processors and the architecture that was previously laid down and quietly developing what is, and integrate this with European projects. So wipe it off, or you’ve sprayed it on yourself, it didn’t reach us

[Yura]

Are you a professor a specific enemy of Russia? Or so, when is it profitable for you? Isn't it dumb to make money in Russia? Or do you make money on everything both in partnership with Russia and in hatred of it (they probably pay the most for this)? The question is specifically for you.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Jura

Are you a professor a specific enemy of Russia?

But he does not hide it ...

[karabass]

And hell with them professor, don’t worry, of course, thousands of civilians were killed, but this is not even worth mentioning, politics is politics. She doesn’t make out the bomb - the best way to catch two lions is to catch (kill) 10 and 8 to let go (to hell with them, tragedy, collateral losses) In a war as in a war. Where are you going?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: professor

Quote: abyssal

There are terrorists, their whereabouts are known - why couldn’t they be destroyed before they decided to attack our base?

The question is not in the eyebrow, but in the eye. Now pick up the cons.

Yes, not such a difficult question. Idlib is in the Turkish area of ​​responsibility. Pro-Turkish barmaley there, and without our help, squabble well with the "irreconcilable" who are informally kept by Jews and Americans, as evidenced by the concerns of the UN. When the "irreconcilable" attacks against the Russian contingent, then they receive well-deserved plops from the Russian Aerospace Forces, and so why should we do all the dirty work for Erdogan? Subscribed, let him provide. If not, then the CAA and the Russian Aerospace Forces will fully take over.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: professor

Quote: abyssal

There are terrorists, their whereabouts are known - why couldn’t they be destroyed before they decided to attack our base?

The question is not in the eyebrow, but in the eye. Now pick up the cons.

What are the terrorists who are not? For me, terrorism is a very convenient tool of the state, when you need to kill someone, you declare him a terrorist and voila, you can bomb and destroy. Kiev considers Donbas residents to be terrorists, the rest of the country does not. Turks consider them Kurds, the rest for some reason not. Jews consider Hamas terrorists, but we do not, and Iran does not, but Iran would gladly have recognized Jews as terrorists if the latter did not have nuclear weapons, and Iran would. Those terrorists who are true fanatics, and do not act on orders and for the money of more powerful structures today, you will not find seisas with fire. So who is the terrorist and who is not. For me, so Hamas are not terrorists

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: professor

The question is not in the eyebrow, but in the eye

Your bases are not there. And the lad you are applauding here is just one of yours. "Professor"

[Chaldon48]

Us and so all and sundry proclaim aggressors, but here, as they say, there was a reason for war, so the barmaleis got their hands on it.

[tlauicol]

Quote: abyssal

There are terrorists, their whereabouts are known - why couldn’t they be destroyed before they decided to attack our base?

so then the war will end and this is not part of our plans

[Spambox]

It is necessary to legitimize the attack in the eyes of the public, so that they do not shout later that civilians are under distribution. And so everyone understood it, launched the drone towards the base, get the package, sign it ...

[Oyo Sarkazmi]

But the Americans have no civilians. In general, there are no people outside the United States. Only mixed-skinned Indians are out of reservations. And U.S. laws allow any U.S. citizen to shoot Indians outside of reservations. Even inside the USA.
That is why the shooting of women in the center of Baghdad by the Black Water, followed by a conviction, caused a storm of anger among the Democrats, which led to an immediate pardon by the president of innocent prisoners.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Spambox

And so everyone understood it, launched the drone towards the base, get the package, sign it ...

Do you think that after launching the drone they sit in the same place and wait for the "package"?

[Spambox]

I think they won’t, but I think on a pencil there are always those for whom you can flop, and not disappear about the same thing.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: abyssal

There are terrorists, their whereabouts are known - why couldn’t they be destroyed before they decided to attack our base?

Everything here and just seems to have taken and "fucked" before, this is all logical, but do not forget what kind of world we live in. Well, they struck a preemptive strike, and then the "all progressive world" led by the State of the Great American Lakes will raise such a howl (remember the allegedly CAA chemical attacks, about which everyone has already forgotten, or maybe the Skripals have swum somewhere), they say, peaceful people who graze sheep and grass imprisoned, these Russian barbarians kill. And then they dronchiki fired at the airbase (maybe just one) and then we worked them out in full, "get a fascist grenade." And all this blah-blah-blah talkative world is silent, for the answer has arrived. And open your mouth, and you will become a barbarian. Well, Vyacheslav, in order to understand all this, you need to trample the ground over the sands in camouflage for a year with boots.

[Moskovit]

This is how Israel and the United States act. They strike and then say that they were terrorists. True, Israel had to build a layered missile defense, but still it periodically receives, and the United States does not know how to get out of Afghanistan.

[figwam]

Quote: abyssal

There are terrorists, their whereabouts are known - why couldn’t they be destroyed before they decided to attack our base?

And you thought the terrorists were sitting in one place and communicating their coordinates? And why Israel, knowing where the terrorists are located, strikes Gaza after firing rockets from the Palestinian enclave.

[Alien From]

And our money on missiles to write off the hunt. A little expensive on the barmaley of the Kyrgyz Republic ...

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: abyssal

did they decide to attack our base?

Yours?

[KCA]

Yes, show off this on the camera, if they planted it, then a pair of SU-25 or SU-24 multiplied the point by zero, and the launch of the KR is a pshshik

[Sergei 23]

and launch of the Kyrgyz Republic is pshshshik- but what about your experience! He is known, the son of difficult mistakes, !!!

[knn54]

It is alarming that the Pantsir complex (12 missiles) is being used. EW is not helping yet.

[Livonetc]

Based on available materials, conclusions cannot be drawn.
It is possible that electronic warfare also helps in some cases, but at such a distance that one does not dare to allow, preferring to use more long-range weapons.
It is clear that the use of Shell armor missiles is expensive.
But the risk of losses is still higher, human, material, reputational.
But according to the article in terms of retaliation did not understand.
Either a few missiles, then a massive strike by various means.
In general, we have extremely vague scattered information.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Livonetc

It is clear that the use of shell missiles protection is expensive

"The shell is not only missiles, but also guns.

[Jerk]

Woke up finally!

[Super]

Work brothers. For the boys!

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

The East is a delicate matter))) The barmaleev does not have unity, but there are sponsors (and not only the USA and Israel). As in Afghanistan, there is no "united front" of the Taliban, so in Syria the barmaley are very different ... And all these labels such as pro-Turkish, pro-Kurdish, pro-Iranian, pro-American are generalizations imposed by the media, for which the main thing is a sensational, not a truthful approach to any information ... But why should the media condemn, if the world's best analytical intelligence centers cannot decide which of the barmaley "pro ..."))) Therefore, they are fighting in these parts against those who shoot at you, but for now they do not shoot - better not to touch.

[Paul Siebert]

A year and a half ago, Idlib needed to be tidied up! Squeeze out the Papuans to Turkey! However, they preferred to negotiate with the Sultan. Pipe affairs turned out to be tastier than victory.

[Lapunevsky]

I'm wondering .... After this blow with a huge cost, there are fewer terrorists in Syria? Well, at least a hundred people? Or, again, dozens of "militants' command and control centers" were destroyed? If huge warehouses and production workshops are destroyed, then they do not grow in one hour, their location was known in advance, and why were they not destroyed earlier by aviation? Why did it take to withdraw the fleet and shoot the cr. missiles?

[Boomandroid]

Quote: professor

Quote: demo

There are terrorists, their whereabouts are known - why couldn’t they be destroyed before they decided to attack our base?
My answer.
Then you have to declare war on the USA!
And destroy this adder.
Why destroy one who shoots from a machine gun, if it is necessary to destroy the one who gives the order?

Well, if this is not possible, then you should wait for the next arrival of drones.
Shoot down. And send anxious letters.
That's it.

Declaring war on the United States, or even on a NATO country like Estonia, is not easy. It's time to admit this unfortunate fact. No matter how much the Russians are oppressed in these countries, Russian "peacekeepers" or green men will not appear in them. Zakharova will express concern. This is maximum.

Quote: demo

Well, if this is not possible, then you should wait for the next arrival of drones.
Shoot down. And send anxious letters.
That's it.

Also an option. But the losing one. Shoot a penny drone worth a million bucks? Strike empty positions with 10 million cruise missiles? This music will be eternal, until you run out of money.

Yes, the gut is not thin, just Volodya does not want to be the person who unleashed World War 3, and will leave as a winner, what to say about NATO, I’m also not sure that they are written in case of anything, even take 08.08. When Georgians were lying around (despite the fact that at that moment the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation were, let's say, not in the best shape) Could they fit in? The point is not that they are not in NATO, but simply not who did not want to get a hat. 2014 the return of the Crimea and the stench of NATO and the rest of the world, where they could also show themselves, but the gut is thin, because no one needs consequences! So the professor doesn’t stink please, otherwise the stink comes to Ulyanovsk .. At the same time, you can say about Israel, (by the way, I am normal with the Jews) the United States folder will leave you so what? Iran will kick you priests .. Purely mass and no more ..

[MAX POWER]

The professor is clearly degrading, the lower the branch, the lower the rank, a couple more comments and go down to the kindergarten. And yet, yes, in Ulyanovsk it is felt.

[svoit]

The massive blow inflicted by the Russian Federation was a response to the attack on Khmeimim on October 31

How does it not fit with "wet in the toilet", if the goals were before, then why not hit? While there is time, it is necessary to learn from both the United States and Israel, all the more so as the liberals are calling for this in every possible way, but all "not a horse feed"

[nov_tech.vrn]

I think the Turks as pragmatists, will be able to assess whether it is worth teasing the beast

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: _Ugene_

The rebellion in Syria began to grow almost synchronously with the signing on 25 on June 2011 in Bushehr of a memorandum on the construction of a new Iran-Iraq-Syria gas pipeline.

You want to say that a civil war is in our interests - so that the gas pipeline does not start, and which we are now extinguishing? your original judgment, so you will agree that ISIS we have created, it already smells like nonsense ..

[ASASHOKA]

Idlib and, in particular, the region of Jisr al-Shugur have long been asking for "peace enforcement." And there is no need to look at the pro-what "friends" are sitting there - they hit us - immediately sweep the place where they came from. I remember Berlin in 1945 - all the Germans in Berlin (and not only) were already anti-fascists ...

[Sasha from Uralmash]

It makes no sense to hit on the fingers! It is necessary to gnaw your throat!

[datur]

LIBISHIZE is indignant - could give to pensioners !!

[Sling cutter]

Quote: datur

LIBISHIZE is indignant - could give to pensioners !!

Syria?

[Evil 55]

Well, they were shot back, and then? Will the capacities of the base in Syria allow reloading the cells, or is it just that the end of the trip is near and it's time to go home?

[russia2016]

The media show joint Turkish-Russian patrolling of the borders in Syria, shaking hands, smiling soldiers and officers, but in reality the Turks from the underwear clatter our bases and fight the Syrian army, which is reminiscent of fraternization with Nazi Germany, there were also smiles, military assistance hugging. Well, Russia is not learning anything :(

[g_ae]

The situation is increasingly reminiscent of the "fight of the Nanai boys". There was such a pop number.

[Gennady Fomkin]

How the inhabitants of the "promised land" poked : Sit, breathe evenly, until your "existence is remembered"

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: russia2016

The media show joint Turkish-Russian patrolling of the borders in Syria, shaking hands, smiling soldiers and officers, but in reality the Turks from the underwear clatter our bases and fight the Syrian army, which is reminiscent of fraternization with Nazi Germany, there were also smiles, military assistance hugging. Well, Russia is not learning anything :(

Are you so "worried" about relations with the Turkish Republic?

[Dzafdet]

It was necessary to launch a nuclear warhead. To barmalei think ...

[Gennady Fomkin]

Myth number 1. There is no microelectronics in Russia
This is not just a myth, but an outright lie. There are several enterprises operating in Russia (the leading ones are Angstrem, Angstrem-T, Belarusian Integral and NIIME with Mikron), which produce microelectronic products for critical industries, defense and space. It is important to remember that microprocessors, microcontrollers, etc. work not only in smartphones, tablets and laptops. All the electronics and automation of the control systems of our missiles and satellites are based on Russian microelectronics. Most of the industrial automation also runs on Russian chips. Yes, we do not have consumer microelectronics, but these are modern realities. There is practically no production of consumer electronics in the country, and those manufacturers that are, unfortunately, buy foreign components.
To some extent, our disadvantages become our advantages. Since most of the Soviet and then Russian semiconductor industry worked and is working in the defense industry, a very strong school for designing microelectronics for extreme working conditions has been formed in the country: vibration, temperature, space radiation, etc. Only a few countries, including the United States and Russia, have such technologies, but China, with its huge budget, cannot yet master them in full.

[Gennady Fomkin]

This is the easiest myth to debunk. Russian manufacturers have dozens of export contracts. The industry has been in the free market since the early 90s. There are no outdated technologies, there are products that perform certain functions. A transistor is a product, a microcontroller is a product, a microprocessor is a product. Next, you need to talk about the cost of this product. Nobody will use microcontrollers and microprocessors made using 7-12 nanometer technology in industrial automation systems or automotive electronics, since this is not only expensive, but also simply impractical. You won’t gain anything by using a 1 gram chip instead of a 2 gram chip, although the price of the former will be several times higher. In such areas, reliability and impact resistance are more appreciated. Incidentally, the volume of semiconductor products for industrial use and used in automotive electronics is almost double the volume of microelectronics for consumer technology. So, a modern car contains at least 50 microchips, which, firstly, must be resistant to vibrations and overloads, and, secondly, have a long service life.

[Gennady Fomkin]

You don't need to catch up with anyone. Existing technologies are perfect for modernizing domestic industry and communication systems. And in terms of individual technologies, Russian manufacturers not only do not lag behind, but are on a par with the world's leading ones. A striking example of this is power electronics. This is a part of semiconductor products that almost no one sees, but everyone uses it. Power electronics products are installed in all power plants and all substations, in any electric engine, be it a trolleybus, an electric car or, familiar to everyone, an elevator. In total, there are several companies in the world that have mastered the production of powerful power modules. Among them is the Russian "Angstrem".

[Anchonsha]

A little pro-Turkish terrorists were beaten, but we should have already deal with the Turks about their terrorists. Idlib.