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Nine days before Little Bighorn

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A drawing of Peter Dennis, which at first can be taken as an illustration for the Battle of Little Bighorn, if it were not for the absence of Caster’s figure in the center and the signature “The Last Bastion at the White Bird Canyon”


If you ask - where
These tales and legends
With their forest fragrance
The moist freshness of the valley
The blue haze of wigwams
The noise of rivers and waterfalls,
Noise, wild and euphonic
How in the mountains rumble of thunder? -
I will tell you, I will answer:
"From forests, desert plains,
From the lakes of Midnight Country,
From the country of Ojibway,
From the land of wild Dakot,
From mountains and tundra, from swamp swamps,
Where among sedge wanders
Gray Heron, Shuh-shuh-ha.
I repeat these tales
These old traditions ...
Henry Longfellow. Song of Hiawatha. Per. I. Bunina


Native American War. I read my first book “About the Indians” by James W. Schultz “With Indians in the Rockies” a long time ago as a child, and then I read everything about them in a row, starting with The White Leader by Mine Reed and ending with the Liselotta Welskopf Heinrich trilogy Sons Big Dipper. " Well, the film made from this book seemed completely miraculous to me, as well as all the films about Vinneta that were seen at the same time in the cinema - the leader of the Apache. We often played Indians, so I made a headdress of Crow Indians from black feathers nesting at my raven school, but my comrades had to be content with chicken and cockerels from domestic chicken coops - for some reason, black glossy ravens at the schools where they studied They didn’t want to live and did not lose their feathers. Recently, I again went through the square at my former school, and the crows, like half a century ago, lived there the same way. I wanted to remember that old hobby, and immediately thought, and what "Native American" I did not write on "VO" yet. He wrote about the Battle of Little Bighorn, and about the Battle of Roseblad ... However, there was another battle, moreover, at the same time that General Custer was heading towards his death. This is the Battle of the White Bird Canyon, which took place on June 17 1877 in Idaho, exactly nine days before Little Bighorn! And today our story will go about her ...


Gold is the cause of all drams


White Bird Canyon was the initial battle of the non-Perse Indians (or “Pierced Noses”) and the United States of North America. This battle was yet another, and it would be more correct to even say, the first significant defeat of the US Army, who at that time fought with the prairie Indians. And it happened in the western part of modern Idaho, southwest of the city of Grungeville.

Nine days before Little Bighorn

Here they are - cinematic Indians, led by the most famous Indian of all times and peoples, Goyko Mitich. Still from the movie “Sons of the Big Dipper”, based on the novel by Liselott Welskopf Heinrich


And it happened that, according to the initial agreement between the US government and non-Persian, signed in 1855, white immigrants should not encroach on ancestral lands reserved for the reservation for non-Persian. But in 1860, gold was found in non-Persian places of residence, which led to an uncontrolled influx of miners and settlers into the area. Despite numerous breaches of the treaty, the non-Persian Indians remained completely peaceful.


Real Indians were very similar to cinema. Or cinema on the real ones, since photographs of the latter have been preserved. Here's what, for example, the same leader, non-Perse Joseph, looked like when he was young. By the way, in his tribe he was called Hinmaton-Yalatkit or more correctly Hin-ma-tu-ya-lat-kekt, which means "Thunder Rolling Through the Mountains." He was called Joseph because his father converted to Christianity and was Joseph Sr., and Hin-ma-tu ... and so on - Joseph Jr. or simply “Leader Joseph” (National historical no-perce park)


And so he looked after the events that are discussed here. (National Historic Park None Perce)



Intravital color portrait of the leader Joseph (National Historical Park None Perce)


De facto and de jure


Then, wanting to de jure record what has already taken place de facto, the US government in 1863 proposed that non-Perse sign a new agreement, which reduced the amount of the reservation allotted to them by 90%. However, the leaders of the clans who lived outside the new reservation refused to sign the “theft agreement” and continued to live outside it until the spring of 1877.


Today, a national park is organized on the lands of non-Perse. And in the park there’s a wonderful museum that tells the story of the United States army’s non-Persian confrontation



And it’s beautiful there, just like in the movie about the Indians!



Only here tee-pi purely decorative properties. But ... clearly show what it was (National Historical Park no-Perse)


In May 1877, after several attacks by the US Army, the Indians nevertheless moved to a new reservation. But the genus Wall-lam-wat-kain (Wallova), led by leader Joseph, lost a large number of horses and cattle, since he had to force rivers that were swollen from spring runoff. Groups of Indians Chief Joseph and Chief White Bird eventually gathered in Tepahlwam, a traditional Kamas Indian prairie camp on Lake Tolo, to enjoy the last days of their traditional way of life. Moreover, although the leaders managed to convince their people that the Whitechwins are white people, stronger and they should obey the inevitable, far from all of their people agreed with the course of peace and harmony with the pale-faced.


Leader Joseph's shirt. The prairie Indians created a distinctive culture and what is left of it is carefully preserved today. Here it is, for example, the leader’s shirt, decorated with petting skins. Her story is this: he wore it during negotiations with Colonel Nelson Miles. A ceasefire was established during which second lieutenant Lowell Jerome drove into a zone controlled by a non-Perse. He was detained and taken hostage when Joseph did not return from the whites. Then Joseph returned and donated this shirt to Jerome, who donated it to his alma mater, the United States Military Academy at West Point. Already in our time, the US Military Academy donated it to the Museum of the National Historical Park of Nepers (National Historical Park of Nepers)


And this is just a festive reindeer-skin non-Perse shirt decorated with beadwork and a fringe of weasel skins (National Historical Park of non-Perse)


No-Perse on the warpath


The leaders in the Indian tribes never had authoritarian power and in some cases simply could not order their people. On 14 on June 17, young people traveled to the Salmon River area to avenge the murder of the father of one of them and also the others who were killed in the previous attacks of the 1875 year. The target of the attacks, however, was not the soldiers, but the settlers who lived in the area. 15 June attack was committed and crowned with success. At least 18 settlers were killed. Success inspired the rest, and other non-Persians joined the avengers. And the settlers had no choice but to send messengers to Fort Lapwai nearest to them and ask the military for help.


Grizzly bear claw necklace. The grizzly bear was revered by the Indians for strength and ferocity. It was believed that to defeat him is much more difficult than over the Indians of other tribes, for example, Pawnee or Crow. Therefore, the one who succeeded in doing this proudly wore this peculiar decoration (National Historical Park no-Perse)



Embroidered saddle of the NN-Perse Indians of the year 1907 (National Historical Park of the Non-Perse)



Moccasins Dakota. Strange as it may seem, a lot of all kinds of Native American artifacts are in the Vienna World Museum - the largest anthropological and ethnographic museum in Austria (New Hovburg Palace, south wing). It was there that the famous headdress of the Aztec emperor Montezuma ended up in the end and here is an impressive collection of Native American clothing and shoes!

Neparce in Tepahlwam knew that General O. O. Howard was preparing to send his soldiers against them. Since they could only be reached through the White Bird Canyon, on June 16 the Indians moved to its southern end, and it was about five miles long, a maximum of one mile wide and bounded on all sides by steep mountain slopes. At night, the sentries reported the approach of American soldiers from the north. After much deliberation, the non-Persians decided that they would stay in the White Bird Canyon and do their best to avoid war, but would fight if they were forced to do so. Everyone was ready to die, but not to leave their land. In addition, confidence in the strength was added by the fact that Joseph's brother Allocot brought reinforcements to the canyon.


Shields played a special role in the culture of the Indians, and not only military. They were both male and female and were the external embodiment of the spiritual essence of man. They were made of bison leather taken from the scruff of the neck, smoked, sewn in several layers, and of course, decorated. Here it is, for example, the shield of the Dakota Indians (Glenbow Museum, Canada)


Forces and position of the parties


Captain David Perry commanded company F in this operation, and captain Joel Graham Trimble company H of the 1 Cavalry Regiment of the United States. The officers and soldiers of both companies together totaled 106 people. Eleven civilian volunteers also rode with them, and in Fort Lapwai they were joined by 13 Indian reconnaissance from hostile non-Persian tribes. Almost half of the soldiers were foreigners who spoke poor English. In addition, most of them were inexperienced riders and shooters. Both horses and riders were not ready for battle. In addition, both people and horses were exhausted by a two-day trip over 70 miles, and arrived in White Bird Canyon in far worse physical condition.


Traditional weapon Prairie Indians: Tomahawk Tube, produced by the Hudson's Bay Company (Peabody Museum, Harvard University)



Tomahawk-pipe. Ojibwe Tribe (Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York)


There were fewer non-Persian warriors: 135 people, but in their raids on the settlers they stole so many whiskeys that they drank all night long, and therefore on the morning of 17 on June many of them were too drunk to fight. Therefore, only about 70 warriors participated in the battle. Ollocott and the White Bird led units of approximately the same size. Chief Joseph may also have participated in the battle, but he was not a military leader. The Nerxes had at their disposal 45-50 firearms, including hunting shotguns, revolvers, ancient muskets and Winchester carbines, which they again mined in settlements from settlers. Some warriors still fought with a bow and arrow. Although the non-Perse had no experience of war with white soldiers, their knowledge of the area, excellent craftsmanship and well-trained appaloosa horses proved to be a great advantage for them. Nepers were used to use bullets sparingly on a hunt and were good shooters. They usually dismounted from their horses to shoot, and the horse stood calmly and ate grass while its master was fighting. On the contrary, many US cavalry horses, having heard the shots and the battle cry of the Indians, were frightened and suffered, and this panic among the horses was precisely the main reason for the defeat of the soldiers in the White Bird Canyon.


Tomahawk Ne-Perce (National Historical Park No-Perse)


The ceased truce


At dawn 17 June non-Perse (let's say, those who could confidently stay in the saddle) prepared for the expected attack. Waiting for the soldiers, 50 warriors of the leader of Ollocoth settled on the western side of the canyon, and 15 warriors on the eastern side. Thus, the soldiers moving down the canyon were put in two fires. Six white-flag non-Persian warriors were waiting for approaching soldiers to discuss armistice conditions.

Soldiers, civilian volunteers, and scout scouts descended to White Bird Canyon along the road with wagons from the northeast. The advance team, consisting of a company of Lieutenant Edward Teller, trumpeter John Jones, several scouts, seven soldiers from company F and a civilian volunteer Arthur Chapman, was the first to meet with the Indians. Seeing the white flag, the soldiers stopped. Negotiations have begun. The Yellow Wolf Indian later described the incident as follows: “Five soldiers, led by Vettivetti Hulis ... were sent from the other [western] side of the valley to meet with the soldiers. These warriors were instructed by the leaders not to shoot. Of course, they carried a white flag. Peace can be made without a fight, the leaders decided. Why, and why no one knows, a white man named Chapman fired a truce. Warriors with a white flag took refuge right there, and the rest of the non-Persians returned fire immediately.


Cavalry single-shot carbine Springfield M1873



Winchester M12 1873 Charging Carabiner


And the battle struck!


After the first shots, Lieutenant Teller ordered the cavalry to dismount, dismounted himself and unfolded his men in a chain on top of a low hill. And then there was a real chain of errors and a fatal combination of circumstances, which ultimately led to the defeat of white Americans and the victory of the Redskins. It began with the fact that the trumpeter Jones was ordered to give a signal that the vanguard of the detachment had been attacked so that all other troops would rather go to his aid. But before Jones could blow the bell, he was shot dead by the warrior Oststotpoo, who was at a distance of more than 300 yards (270 m) from him and also sat astride. Captain Perry dismounted and with his company took up a position on the east side of the canyon. Rota N, led by Captain Trimble, turned around on the west side of Teller’s position. Civilian volunteers attempted to occupy one of the hills on the flank of the cavalry.


The stone club of non-Perse. Decorated with a scalp and an eagle feather, symbolizing the speed of the strike (National Historical Park no-Perse)


Captain Perry believed that his left (eastern) flank was defended by volunteers. However, he could not see their position. Meanwhile, volunteers led by George Shearer encountered Indian soldiers who were hiding in the bushes by the river. He also ordered his people to dismount and fight on foot and several people obeyed him, but the others, apparently frightened by the Indians, left the place of battle and galloped north. Seeking to protect Perry's soldier, Shearer brought the remaining people to the top of the hill. In this position, he was between the non-Persian warriors attacking Perry's left flank, and the well-aimed fire of the Indian warriors defending the White Bird camp.


"Ball-headed" club with a thorn. 61,6 cm length (Brooklyn Museum, New York)


Perry tried to join Teller and attack the non-Persian warriors threatening his left flank. At the same time, for some reason, he ordered the throwing of Springfield single-shot carbines and the use of six-shot revolvers. He ordered the trumpeter Daily to blow the signal for the attack, but it turned out that he had lost his pipe. Thus, Perry’s connection with his soldiers was lost along with the pipe, and the order was not transmitted. Then Perry ordered those soldiers who were in his field of vision to take the horses and take them from the line of fire to a protected place. Further, Perry himself and the rest of the soldiers of Company F advanced on foot.

Meanwhile, Company H was trying to turn into a chain at intervals of five yards along the slope of the canyon. But the horses of the cavalry fled, frightened by the shots. The Indians rushed to catch them, but the soldiers could not shoot at them, fearing to hit the horses.


Dakota Knife Converted from a Cavalry Saber (National Museum of the Cowboys and Wild West, Oklahoma City)


Captain Perry, who, on his horse, kept in touch between the two companies, saw the volunteers retreat to the exit of the canyon. To compensate for their departure, Captain Trimble sent Sergeant Michael M. McCarthy and six men to take the highest point over the battlefield to protect their right flank. Perry also noticed a suitable high hill and tried to send his soldiers there to help McCarthy.

But it was too late, the soldiers suffered heavy losses from the fire of the Indians. Rota F misinterpreted Perry's order to occupy the hill as a signal for a general retreat. Company H, seeing the withdrawal of Company F, also began to depart, and left McCarthy and his men on the hill without support.


One of the beautiful pictures depicting the US Army during the Indian War. In fact, often everything looked completely wrong ...


Feeling victory, the Allocott equestrian warriors began to chase the retreating soldiers. McCarthy, realizing that he was cut off from the main detachment, galloped to the retreating troops. But Captain Trimble ordered McCarthy and his men to return to their position and hold it until help approaches. However, Trimble was never able to assemble the soldiers to help McCarthy. True, McCarthy and his people briefly detained the no-Perse, and then even managed to retreat, but could not catch up with the main part of Trimble's company. McCarthy's horse was killed, but he escaped by hiding in the bushes on the banks of a river flowing through the canyon. He sat in them for two days, and then went on foot to Grungeville. For his courage in this battle, he received the Medal of Honor of the US Congress.

A retreat similar to flight ...


Meanwhile, Lieutenant Teller was trapped in a steep rocky gorge, and in addition he ran out of bullets. As a result, he himself, and the seven remaining soldiers with him, were killed by the non-Persian Indians. Captain Perry and Captain Trimble fled northwest, making their way along the steep slopes. Finally they reached the prairie at the top of the ridge and there they saw a certain Johnson ranch. There they received help. Another part of the surviving soldiers continued to retreat along the canyon, periodically undergoing attacks by a non-Perse. An approaching volunteer squad saved them from death.


Indians examine captured weapons. This is a shot from the movie "Trail of the Falcon", but something like that was after the fight in the White Bird Canyon


How did it all end?


By mid-morning, 34 cavalrymen of the US Army were killed and two wounded, and two volunteers were wounded at the beginning of the battle. On the contrary, only three non-Perse warriors were injured. 63 carbines, many revolvers and hundreds of cartridges were captured by non-Perse warriors as trophies. This weapon significantly improved their arsenal and was actively used in the remaining months of the war. The corpses of some of the dead soldiers were found only ten days after the battle, since they were scattered over a space of ten miles. Therefore, many of them were buried right at the place of death, and not in a mass grave, as was planned at first.


Note that the prairie Indians were not at all ignorant savages and understood a lot about white weapons. In this photo, for example, the Apache warrior is depicted with the Evans carbine - the most multi-loaded carbine in US history.


But, like all Indian victories, the defeat of the US cavalry in the White Bird Canyon is only a temporary non-Persian victory. They won their first battle with soldiers outnumbering them, but in the end they still lost the war.


Evans Carabiner



Evans carbine device


After the battle, the non-Persians crossed to the eastern bank of the Salmon River, and when General Howard arrived with more than 400 soldiers there a few days later, they began to mock him and his people on their side of the river. The tribe then had about 600 men, women and children, many tents, 2000 horses and other cattle. The general only managed to cross the Salmon River with difficulty, but instead of fighting the superior forces of Howard, the Indians quickly crossed the river in the opposite direction, leaving it on the opposite bank. Thereby they won time and were able to break away from the US Army. Chief Joseph offered to retreat to Montana. And this retreat of Joseph and his people was recognized as one of the brightest episodes in US military history. Having met with the crow, the non-Perse asked them to help. But they refused, and then the non-Perse decided to leave for Canada.


Map of the Unprecedented Crossing of the Non-Perse Tribe in the United States (Non-Perse National Historical Park)


After that, they crossed the Rocky Mountains twice, then repelled the attack of a detachment of John Gibbon in the battle of Big Hole, crossed the Yellowstone National Park and again crossed the deep Missouri. In the end, they traveled a journey of 2600 km in length, but on 30 of September 1877 of the year in the Baer-Po mountains they were still surrounded by soldiers under the command of Colonel Nelson Miles. But even then, the non-Persian units still managed to slip away and leave for Canada. The remaining defended for five days. But since there were women and children with the soldiers, Joseph was forced to lay down his arms. On October 5, 87 men, 184 women and 147 children surrendered to white.


Leader Joseph in 1903 (Non-Perce National Historic Park)



And he is with a hard drive in his hands in the same 1903 g. (National Historical Park no-Perse)


The Indians were transferred to the reservation, where they remained to live. Leader Joseph was held in high esteem by both his compatriots and the whites. He traveled to Washington several times and defended the interests of his people. Met with Presidents William McKinley and Theodore Roosevelt. He died on 21 of September 1904 of the year at Colville Reservation.

Использованная литература:
1. Wilkinson, Charles F. (2005). Blood Struggle: The Rise of Modern Indian Nations. New York: WW Norton & Company. pp. 40 – 41.
2. Josephy, Jr., Alvin M. (1965). The Nez Perce Indians and the Opening of the Northwest. New Haven, CT: Yale University Press. pp. 428 – 429.
3. McDermott, John D. (1978). "Forlorn Hope: The Battle of White Bird Canyon and the Beginning of the Nez Perce War." Boise, ID: Idaho State Historical Society. pp. 57 – 68, 152 – 153.
4. Sharfstein, Daniel (2019). Thunder in the mountains. New York, NY: WW Norton & Company. p. 253.
5. Greene, Jerome A. (2000). Nez Perce Summer 1877: The US Army and the Nee-Me-Poo Crisis. Helena, MT: Montana Historical Society Press.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 11 November 2019 06: 01 New
    +8
    Thank. Once again, he was convinced that the United States, since its inception, is a "predatory state", in its interests violating previously signed treaties, as soon as it feels that they have the strength to do this.
    1. Kenxnumx
      Kenxnumx 11 November 2019 18: 56 New
      +2
      Well, it’s necessary. This is where the root of all evil is. By the way, I agree. But we will be fair. And the British fooled in India, and in Africa for company with the Dutch, and the Spaniards in the Americas, and according to some estimates, the 80% cut-off indigenous population of Siberia does not mean that the Russians behaved somehow especially mildly. Everywhere where there are, as it were, civilized and as if barbarians (which are usually worse with weapons), barbarians have something that civilized needs. Yasak, land or oil
      1. svp67
        svp67 11 November 2019 19: 46 New
        +2
        Quote: Ken71
        and according to some estimates, at 80% the cut-off indigenous population of Siberia

        Yes, who is it that "pokralesil" there? But there was nothing to “cut out” in the tasks of Russian colonization, we didn’t have enough people, we had to take people under our “wing” and force the yasak to pay, but you won’t take anything from the dead
        1. Kenxnumx
          Kenxnumx 11 November 2019 20: 32 New
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          The population somehow did not really want to pay yasak, so to speak, objected actively. But mostly smallpox was tried, as in the United States. By the way, not only Siberia. You know why Krasnaya Polyana near Sochi is called Krasnaya Polyana. The fate of the Empire is to flatten barbarians. Nothing personal - yours was ours.
          1. svp67
            svp67 11 November 2019 22: 56 New
            +1
            Quote: Ken71
            The population somehow did not really want to pay yasak, so to speak, actively objected

            The thing is that in Siberia the indigenous population was already under the oppression of the newcomers and they already did not care who to pay yasak, Kuchum or Yermak. So, here you are wrong.
            You know, in the history of Russia there was no case that people were destroyed for the sake of "pleasure", all these cases were caused by the strict need to bring to a "common denominator", but that would destroy the indigenous population of the whole continent like this.
            1. Kenxnumx
              Kenxnumx 11 November 2019 23: 14 New
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              Ah, so it turns out the newcomers are to blame. It was they who liberated Siberia. Thanks to Ermak and Khabarov (who, by the way, scared the children for a long time) to the liberators. You probably think that the Russians only bombed the Kuchumovites. By the way, here's a laugh, but the Kuchumovites in Siberia were about like Russians in the Crimea :)
              But I will disappoint you. The locals also got a fair share. Tungusam, for example, or there Daurs or Yakuts or Yukagirs and other Chukchi. About the Siberian Tatars silent of course. In the Caucasus, whole tribes who dared to defend their lands. And Central Asia, although there is true slavery and all that, are wild barbarians. In general, we are no better than the Americans or the rest of the British and Spaniards there. Nothing. Profit and technical superiority - this is imperial behavior. And nothing offensive in this.
              1. svp67
                svp67 12 November 2019 04: 22 New
                +1
                Quote: Ken71
                By the way, here's a laugh, but the Kuchumovites in Siberia were about like Russians in the Crimea :)

                No, if we compare, then with the Crimean Tatars. Kuchumovtsy were like the Crimean Tatars in the Crimea, since both were fragments of the same empire.
                Quote: Ken71
                In general, we are no better than the Americans or the rest of the British and Spaniards there.

                Show us where the reservations were created, beyond which the local was forbidden to leave and go.
                1. Kenxnumx
                  Kenxnumx 12 November 2019 17: 28 New
                  -4
                  Russians in the Crimea defeated the Tatars, forced to pay yasak, and gradually drove them out of trump places.
                  Regarding reservations. Reservation is not a concentration camp. Some are larger than some states. And by rights it’s like the states - tribal councils rule there and tribal laws operate along with federal ones. There, by the way, gambling is allowed, which makes it possible to open a casino and have a profit. By the way, regarding the land, the Indians won the courts over the federal government many times and received compensation. They receive financial assistance and many of them have settled themselves and made a career outside of the reservations. So do not worry about the Indians of America. Willing to worry - you can do it for the indigenous peoples of Siberia
              2. RUSS
                RUSS 12 November 2019 11: 21 New
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                Quote: Ken71
                It was they who liberated Siberia.

                You forgot to add the conquest of Central Asia, Bukhara, Khiva, etc.
                1. Kenxnumx
                  Kenxnumx 12 November 2019 17: 22 New
                  0
                  You watched inattentively
      2. Pereira
        Pereira 11 November 2019 23: 36 New
        0
        Do not embellish reality. Not 80%. The population of Siberia was completely slaughtered. And the aliens - Samoyeds, Evenks and other Tungus took the place of the cut ones.
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 12 November 2019 11: 23 New
          +1
          Quote: Pereira
          Evenki and other Tungus.

          This Tungus is Evenki, their old name
  2. Phil77
    Phil77 11 November 2019 06: 47 New
    +5
    Good morning! Vyacheslav Olegovich, * ran over * according to your * Native American * article and decided to leave my reading until evening, because? That's right! I need to extend the pleasure.
    1. kalibr
      11 November 2019 07: 49 New
      +8
      And good morning to you and good day!
  3. Far B
    Far B 11 November 2019 06: 53 New
    +3
    Strange - in the same Canada, the Indians were not so eagerly exterminated. And in the territory of the modern States this began even before their revolution - even Radishchev in his "Journey ..." mentioned the barbaric destruction of the Indians. But it seems that the Americans and Canadians are practically the same people.
    There is such a good book by Dee Brown "Bury my heart with Wounded Nee." There is a good account of American atrocities.
    Interestingly, will they ever repent for the genocide, for the fact that the indigenous population of the whole continent has decreased by an order of magnitude as a result of their actions?
    1. alebor
      alebor 11 November 2019 11: 14 New
      +2
      Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me that the point here is in those fertile lands that the bison hunters in the United States owned - Great Plains Indians, for which they paid. In more northern Canada, the prairie area is relatively small.
    2. Lycan
      Lycan 11 November 2019 12: 12 New
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      Quote: Far In
      Interestingly, will they ever repent for the genocide, for the fact that the indigenous population of the whole continent has decreased by an order of magnitude as a result of their actions?

      Why? Are the territories and influence squeezed out in order to repent later? Don’t tell my loafers ... You can make individual highly sensitive representatives of society repent (this is how Akhedzhakova, for example), but there’s little use for it. That is, if you were forced to work (with the maximum calculation of forces, resources and plans) to resume the population of tribes ... There would be no sense, but how would you (European invaders with SGA citizenship) force them in the absence of a dictatorship ??
      1. 1970mk
        1970mk 11 November 2019 18: 17 New
        +2
        That is, if you were forced to work (with the maximum calculation of forces, resources and plans) to resume the population of tribes ...

        You are so interesting ... and you don’t want to work on the Russian population?
        1. Kenxnumx
          Kenxnumx 11 November 2019 20: 58 New
          +1
          At the suggestion of a respected Alex, I also had some questions :)
        2. Lycan
          Lycan 12 November 2019 12: 22 New
          0
          About the population is lyric. retreat. The question was about “repentance” for genocide (well, for pushing up territories to complete the picture).
          1. 1970mk
            1970mk 12 November 2019 13: 11 New
            0
            You do not do such LYRICAL digressions pzhs! A better deal with the extinction of Russian that in fact happens. Then who should repent? What do you Indians? What is your people like?
            1. Lycan
              Lycan 13 November 2019 12: 25 New
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              Quote: 1970mk
              A better deal with the extinction of Russian that in fact happens

              Deal with the extinction of Russian? laughing Why? Let the Russians live and live ... who is stopping them? As for the indigenous peoples of the North. America - some of the Russian people have such a feature as solidarity "at least in relation." And what about "my people" - what do I personally go and make them multiply immensely? Or to conspire with Milonov on the prohibition of contraceptives + the establishment of "shooting threes" to eliminate unprofessional followers of abortion? laughing Absurdity.
  4. kalibr
    11 November 2019 07: 43 New
    +8
    Quote: Far In
    Interestingly, will they ever repent for the genocide, for the fact that the indigenous population of the whole continent has decreased by an order of magnitude as a result of their actions?

    Here it is necessary to repent and the Spaniards, and the Dutch, and the French ... for all the Indians were savages! And in Canada there were forests. The Indians were driven out of the land, where it was possible to plow and sow. And why was it to expel them from the taiga?
    1. Far B
      Far B 12 November 2019 01: 15 New
      0
      Well, New England was also originally quite a forested area, which did not stop the pale-faced under the root of lime there all sorts of Iroquois and Delaware.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 12 November 2019 11: 25 New
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        Quote: Far In
        Well, New England was also originally quite a forested area, which did not stop the pale-faced under the root of lime there all sorts of Iroquois and Delaware.

        The thing is that in New England it is warmer, respectively, and the place is more fertile and comfortable.
  5. Operator
    Operator 11 November 2019 10: 34 New
    +4
    "The real Indians were very similar to the cinema.", - with the naked eye it can be seen that the real Indians were flat-faced and narrow-eyed brachycephals, in contrast to the cinema-like geo-mitichi, who looked like Indians only in the shape of a nose laughing
    1. Sasha_rulevoy
      Sasha_rulevoy 12 November 2019 00: 44 New
      +1
      And they didn’t go with a naked torso.
  6. Undecim
    Undecim 11 November 2019 12: 29 New
    +9
    As an addition - a panorama of the place of events described in the article.

    Snow-capped peaks on the horizon - Seven Devils - peaks of the Rocky Mountains, the highest - 2410 m.
  7. kalibr
    11 November 2019 12: 46 New
    +5
    Quote: alebor
    the point here is in those fertile lands that were owned by bison hunters in the USA, the Great Plains Indians, for which they paid. In more northern Canada, the prairie area is relatively small.

    Exactly!
  8. Undecim
    Undecim 11 November 2019 12: 52 New
    +9
    well trained horse appaloosa
    Appaloosa is a unique breed of horse.

    This breed was bred by the Nimipu Indians, whom the French called non-Perse.
    A distinctive feature is the forelock suit. Moreover, like a leopard, not only wool is spotty, but also skin.
    1. Undecim
      Undecim 11 November 2019 12: 58 New
      +9
      After the battle, the non-Persians crossed to the east bank of the Salmon River

      View of the Salmon River (Salmon River) from the terrace of the White Bird Ranch. Like a summer house - an amazing place. Now, by the way, is for sale. The price is $ 2.
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 11 November 2019 22: 37 New
        +2
        Fucking is so expensive! Add another million and you can buy a studio on Patrick! And here, some kind of fence! laughing
        1. Undecim
          Undecim 11 November 2019 23: 02 New
          +3

          This fence encloses 72 hectares of wildlife, a three-bedroom house of 200 squares, a vineyard with a winery and a wine cellar and much more.
  9. Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 11 November 2019 13: 07 New
    +11
    As a child, he was read by the Indians, swallowed everything in a row, starting from Fenimore Cooper and ending with Stanislav Suplatovich. Of course, the Canadian Indians who lived in the forests were more interested, the prairies were somehow not very interesting to me. Ideas to go to the forest for several days, living on the pasture, were born precisely from reading such books as, for example, “Land of Salt Rocks”.
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, thanks for the article. Personally, I received new information, but at the same time I was nostalgic, recalling my "Native American" adventures ...
    Half a loaf of black bread, sometimes turnips from the state farm field, a matchbox with salt, a penknife, fishing rod ... What else? Matches, of course. And then a roasted hand-roach or bleak, sometimes perch (it’s good to take a caddis flies, which we called “shitik”), mushrooms, berries, roots of reeds (cattail) and arrowhead, baked river oysters ... And also bows, arrows with nails, feathers (I had hawks!), throwing knives and "lasso" - a simple rope with a long loop, endless bathing, diving, climbing trees, hide and seek ...
    I think if Breivik came to such children as we were then, he would simply be torn to pieces. smile
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 11 November 2019 15: 13 New
      +10
      starting from Fenimore Cooper and ending with Stanislav Suplatovich

      but I’ve just read Osceola, I repent .... recourse pirates liked the theme more, so he started with Captain Blood, then “Queen Elizabeth” and “The Black Corsair” .. drinks
      or on the larva of a caddis flock, which we called "shitik"

      the last time I caught him with my father on Khopre in my teens. That was fishing! did not have time to throw; roach, bleak, bream - immediately took fellow Damn, Mikhail, “deliciously” remember, your soul swaying! drinks
      1. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 11 November 2019 15: 31 New
        +7
        In order to become a pirate you need a sea-hawk. And we had only a forest, a river, lakes, swamps, fields and ravines - there was no curse. Therefore, most often we were Indians, knights (here I include both the musketeers and Robinguda smile ) or Soviet partisans. Specifically, it depended on which movie was shown the day before on TV or in a village club. smile
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 11 November 2019 20: 15 New
          +4
          Well, even Piglet, finally "decided to run away from home and become a sailor" laughing
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 11 November 2019 21: 25 New
            +5
            They found an elephant. So - not in vain.
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 11 November 2019 22: 40 New
              +4
              No, not found.
              Found the "elephant's already sweat." And the pole. And the tail.
              1. Korsar4
                Korsar4 11 November 2019 22: 47 New
                +4
                "Stay guys folks
                Becoming Sailors "(c).

                However, this has already occurred.

                And this is not yet:

                "Do not swear from evil longing,
                Today you are drunk without alcohol.
                To the mainland, to the mainland
                There is the last caravan "(c)
        2. Korsar4
          Korsar4 11 November 2019 21: 24 New
          +4
          There are more musketeers.

          And, if you will, another variation on book children:

          https://www.stihi.ru/2016/05/13/3741
      2. Catfish
        Catfish 11 November 2019 16: 33 New
        +6
        Hi, Nikolay!
        I also had captain Bernardito Luis el Gorra from Stilmark's “Heir from Calcutta”. And there was another great article in Around the World titled The Pirate Round-the-World Raid about Francis Drake, of course. I learned from it that the island of William Drake was named after his friend William Shakespeare. hi drinks
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 11 November 2019 17: 11 New
          +7
          I learned from it that the island of William Drake was named after his friend William Shakespeare.

          And why didn’t Shakespeare say anything, an ungrateful patty hippie? what
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 11 November 2019 17: 56 New
            +4
            Yes, it would be funny to see a pirate tearing off Desdemona’s head. But intrigue, in principle, would not have worked out there, because Iago was not finished to intrigue against the professional adventurer and thug, and (according to rumors) the queen's lover. So the author replaced his friend with a neutral Moor and went into circulation. drinks
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 11 November 2019 18: 09 New
              +5
              So the author replaced his friend with a neutral Moor and went into circulation.

              Now such a replacement would be called not “neutral”, but “not politically correct” .. request drinks
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 11 November 2019 18: 34 New
                +4
                Well, I don’t think that such guys as Shakespeare, and especially Drake, had at least some idea of ​​political correctness. As, however, and all the "good people" in those days. drinks laughing
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 11 November 2019 20: 22 New
                  +3
                  I apologize terribly, my dear gangsters, my citizens, but in the realities of the time, you both understand, like my favorite dog in citrus! laughing
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 11 November 2019 21: 23 New
                    +3
                    So sho, you hate to say, sho your sabaka is cracking pineapples for my goodness, and is he feeding you swede? And what doesn’t happen only in your Petersburgers, where are we, the small-town bandits. laughing
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 11 November 2019 21: 34 New
                      +1
                      Oh, wey, reb! This female dog eats even non-kosher pig tails !!! Where is this world heading for ?!
                      1. Catfish
                        Catfish 11 November 2019 21: 37 New
                        +3
                        So I would say where he is heading, but they can still be banned by Benina’s mother, and she, you know, is for character. God forbid! wassat
    2. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 11 November 2019 17: 54 New
      +2
      An interesting etymological fact. In the Murmansk region, caddis flies are also called "little sticks".
      As for Breivik, there were quite “difficult” “Norwegian” teenagers in that camp.
      1. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 11 November 2019 19: 07 New
        +5
        Greetings, Anton.
        In our area there was also a pioneer camp, and quite prestigious. I don’t remember from what enterprise, but the children there were exactly what were “difficult”. At the same time, there were probably about five hundred children in the camp. The road to the river went along the fence and these "kids" set up ambushes for us, the locals, and stoned us, called names, in short, ran up ... After our head was smashed with a stone, we declared war on them. We were fewer, but we were free, knew the area and were not limited by the regime of the day.
        It was a real war - without rules, without mercy, implacable and cruel. We quickly weaned them from leaving the camp alone and in small groups, and when they stopped going out, began to penetrate into their territory, attacked the duty attendants at the gate ... Sometimes they fell off behind us, they almost made round-ups in the forest with the help of senior detachments and counselors, a couple of times ours came across to them - they were handed over by m police. But more often we came off, left, hid. It used to be that I could reach with the hand of the one who was looking for me, but he did not see me.
        When their shift was over, they threw stones at the convoy of buses on which they drove out, broke several glasses. A showdown with the police was difficult. The result was that they took a promise from us to end the hostilities. I made this promise personally to the head of the police department in the presence of the school principal.
        I was 12 years old that year.
        I don’t know what would have happened if I met Breivik, but I can say for sure that we wouldn’t go to the rams for slaughter, no one would wait in line. We were brought up on the examples of pioneer heroes, we were smart, brave and reckless, a wild people living according to their own ideas, strength, dexterity, courage, independence were valued among us ... Once again I say, I don’t know what it would be like to meet we are with such a Breivik. But what was there on Utoya would not be exact.
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 11 November 2019 19: 57 New
          +4
          The point is not what would happen to Breivik, if he met reckless teenagers 30-35 years ago, in the polar taiga (I’m sorry, my experience), but what Breivik “fought” against.
          1. Trilobite Master
            Trilobite Master 11 November 2019 20: 30 New
            +4
            Scum he.
            It’s more important for me against whom he "fought". Against the weak and unrequited.
            Give birth to your children, educate as you see fit, spend time with them, with their friends, teach, explain, help. Organize a tourist club, I don’t know, any kind of “survival club”, spend your time, energy on making people what you want them to be - strong, courageous, decisive, independent. Teach them to make a fire, build shelters, get food, conduct war games, such as "Zarnitsa", so that they can act both in a team and independently, hide, navigate, attack and defend, walk 20 km on a day, cross obstacles ...
            I tried to teach my children this. Something they can do. They managed to teach something to their friends as well. - We also arranged "lightning" and trips with the classes, fortunately there were several adequate parents who adhere to approximately the same views. But still, the level of training is not the same as ours. Although not the one that the guys had on Utoya.
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 11 November 2019 21: 40 New
              +2
              Michael! Let's stop.
        2. Town Hall
          Town Hall 11 November 2019 21: 19 New
          0
          Quote: Trilobite Master
          I say again, I don’t know what would happen if we met with such a Breivik. But what was there on Utoya would not be exactly

          You shouldn’t do this. Reality is more complicated. Look at the recent case on guard in the Transbaikalia. One put a dozen people. And not teenagers, but the military, including a couple of officers.
        3. kalibr
          12 November 2019 08: 15 New
          +3
          Michael A heightened sense of justice ... That's good!
    3. Freeman
      Freeman 11 November 2019 18: 43 New
      +6
      Quote: Trilobite Master

      Half a loaf of black bread, sometimes turnips from the state farm field, a matchbox with salt, a penknife, fishing rod ... What else? Matches, of course. And then a roasted hand-roach or bleak, sometimes perch (it’s good to take a caddis flies, which we called “shitik”), mushrooms, berries, roots of reeds (cattail) and arrowhead, baked river oysters ... And also bows, arrows with nails, feathers (I had hawks!), throwing knives and "lasso" - a simple rope with a long loop, endless bathing, diving, climbing trees, hide and seek ...
      I think if Breivik came to such children as we were then, he would simply be torn to pieces. smile


      good Bravo!
      Recalled one of the "immortal quotes" Runet.

      crocodile: I remember, they taught how to put an ant hill on food. If you decently pick ants like that - and dry them by the fire - you get something like long-term meat (protein) flour. Grate slightly, add a little water - and you can fry like meatballs. The taste is unusual, closest to the taste it resembles baked fish sprinkled with lemon. A pair of cutlets is enough to naturally eat.

      alex1488: Who did you study for? On the commando?

      crocodile:
      Worse. We were trained as pioneers, so we would make a birdhouse from the skull of a commando.

      laughing
    4. bubalik
      bubalik 11 November 2019 18: 49 New
      +9
      Trilobite Master
      Today, 14: 07

      ,,, and every boy older than 8 has a penknife, but not as a weapon, but as a tool. Arrowheads, in addition to nails, were made from tins and cans. All summer on the river: a bungee, a board on a tree (springboard), the raft on which they set sail. Nda crying and from a flattened and sharpened aluminum runner sled, a saber was obtained repeat
      1. bubalik
        bubalik 11 November 2019 19: 05 New
        +7
        ,,, the first book about Indians that I read in childhood.
      2. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 11 November 2019 19: 41 New
        +7
        You can also remember carbide and magnesium, whips from some material, such as rubberized tarpaulins, sharpened knitting needles with foam rubber, blown through aluminum ski poles, trips on ice to the ice drift, plastic bags from fertilizers with snow as sledges (the prototype of today's "cheesecakes") ... And it happened, you spend the whole day sitting on a tree with an interesting book ... I’ve read the Children of Captain Grant, sitting on a tree ...
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 11 November 2019 21: 39 New
          +4
          Quote: Trilobite Master
          whips from some material, such as rubberized tarpaulins

          From conveyor belt. drinks
      3. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 11 November 2019 20: 52 New
        +5
        Yes, I was about 9 years old when I got my first knife. Let it be folding, let it be penknife, but it was MY knife!
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 11 November 2019 21: 45 New
          +3
          At the age of ten, I already had the “eight”, though the fig didn’t shoot - there was no magazine or drummer. request
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 11 November 2019 22: 05 New
            +4
            Well, let's face it, uh, something there! laughing
            "Each time has its own orders,
            Each felt boots has its own style "(c)
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 11 November 2019 22: 46 New
              +4
              And who is measured, I’m just saying that during the time of my happy childhood it was much easier to get something decent than a knife, and that’s all. request smile

              "Each vegetable has its own fruit!" (S. my friend).
              1. Undecim
                Undecim 11 November 2019 23: 09 New
                +5
                And instead of my nipple, I had a grease gun with rifle oil, and the rattle was replaced by zinc with cartridges.
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 11 November 2019 23: 42 New
                  +4
                  Well, Vic, you finally revealed the family secret of how to raise the same clever and erudite in a child. good That's all, I take a nipple and a pack of cartridges, and went into the room to my grandson. laughing drinks
                2. kalibr
                  12 November 2019 08: 11 New
                  +4
                  Well, what I also grew up in communication with the grandfather hard drive M1895 g. And his copper sleeves ...
                  1. Undecim
                    Undecim 12 November 2019 10: 35 New
                    +2
                    his copper sleeves ...
                    Brass.
                    1. kalibr
                      12 November 2019 15: 23 New
                      +1
                      Red copper! And not yellow. I remember this color well, because the cartridges from the “small things” were with the yellow funky cartridges.
                      1. Undecim
                        Undecim 12 November 2019 18: 37 New
                        +2
                        there were cartridges from the "small things" next to it with yellowish cheerful sleeves.

                        And it's all brass.
                      2. Undecim
                        Undecim 12 November 2019 18: 49 New
                        +1

                        And this is also brass.
                      3. kalibr
                        12 November 2019 22: 02 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Undecim
                        And this is also brass.

                        Wow, amazing. Did not know. Just such sleeves as below !!!!
              2. Catfish
                Catfish 12 November 2019 14: 47 New
                +2
                Good afternoon, Vyacheslav. hi
                Here it is, your "girlfriend" of childhood. smile The rifle was developed by John Browning by order of Winchester for a "bunch" of various cartridges, including under 7,62x54 mm R.

                Below is already a conversion to a hunting carbine under the same "three-ruler" cartridge. Once in the storehouse, sorting through and examining a cabinet with Winchesters, I found just such a carbine and, fortunately, not drilled. Immediately I called the All-Russian Research Institute of Sudexpertiza and the guys brought a request for shooting with a fly. Patrons of such, as you know, was in bulk, well, everyone was shot to a complete dope. smile
              3. Catfish
                Catfish 12 November 2019 14: 51 New
                +1
                Failed to stick the second photo
                right away. They shot from about such a carbine, though the barrel was already shot "from nowhere", the bullets flew wherever they wanted. laughing
                1. kalibr
                  12 November 2019 15: 24 New
                  +1
                  Dear Konstantin - thanks for the reminder. That’s exactly what it was like with a bare barrel!
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 12 November 2019 15: 25 New
                    +1
                    I'm glad it's nice to do something nice. smile
                  2. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 12 November 2019 15: 42 New
                    -2
                    Quote: Sea Cat
                    nice to do nice

                    How nice to see your team flooding peacefully on abstract topics. repeat
                  3. Catfish
                    Catfish 12 November 2019 15: 43 New
                    +2
                    And thank you, my dear. hi
                  4. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 12 November 2019 16: 23 New
                    0
                    Quote: Sea Cat
                    And thank you, my dear

                    Yes low.

                    However - I’ve been observing three dissatisfied. Who is bigger? wink laughing
                  5. Catfish
                    Catfish 12 November 2019 16: 42 New
                    +2
                    I don’t know who is scattering the minuses, it seems not to be accepted here. hi
                  6. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 12 November 2019 17: 11 New
                    0
                    Quote: Sea Cat
                    who scatter the minuses

                    Quote: Song. Someone who knows
                    I don’t give a damn
                    Through the window - pah ...
                  7. Catfish
                    Catfish 12 November 2019 17: 54 New
                    +1
                    Well and health. But then why pay attention to this? request
  • Phil77
    Phil77 11 November 2019 20: 19 New
    +7
    Good evening, Michael! My God and the article is wonderful, but the comments !!!! As if I dived back to my childhood! It goes without saying that it’s hard to find a Soviet child of 60-70s who did not play noble Indians, but * Defov * films that we watched ?! ?! And the read disheveled books from the Mine-Reed library, Fenimore Cooper ?! Damn, well, we were lucky with childhood.
    1. Trilobite Master
      Trilobite Master 11 November 2019 20: 36 New
      +5
      Good evening.
      Yes, there was a line for good books in libraries. I myself remember, I went after Fenimore Cooper to one "debtor" to pick up the book and start reading myself ... smile
  • cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 11 November 2019 20: 27 New
    +4
    Have you read the "Shalako" by Louis Lamur? There, the Indians are not "sheep for the slaughter," but "seasoned wolves." I liked Tats-a-das-ah-go - Fast killer (Apache). I read American Westerns - I liked it and recommend it to others. There is no "oil", the Wild West is not for the romantics who have read Soviet literature. Read Jack London about North America - he wrote about the "natives" of Oceania. Have you watched the movie "Gold Makena"? - read the book too ...
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 11 November 2019 21: 42 New
      +4
      Yes, I agree with respect to the Indians in the Gold of Mackenah, where they are much more real than the cinema-Gdeaer Goikomitichs. Well, and Jack London, of course.
    2. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 16 November 2019 03: 20 New
      0
      I watched the film "Shalako" 1968 Great Britain. Conclusion: either read a book or watch a movie. My advice is to read a book.
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 11 November 2019 21: 22 New
    +3
    I know that the rhizomes of cattail are edible, but I have not tried it.
    And so much is similar. And without a bow anywhere. Osceola's mask was in elementary class.

    Yes, and now - the forest will hide. Even for a little bit.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 11 November 2019 21: 29 New
    +4
    Misha, I think that to such children as those you write about, Breivik would come with his fishing rod, sandwiches and ask him to be accepted into their company.
    And there, at home on the island, he did what he saw fit to do. Whether he was right or not, the future will show, but even now, something is becoming obvious.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 11 November 2019 15: 19 New
    +8
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, good afternoon and best wishes! hi
    I read the material with interest, it is funny that on the part of the whites in this battle there was a place to be utter stupidity. The only one who really deserves respect is Sergeant McCarthy, so they awarded him fairly, and the rest of the officers had to be driven out of the "horses of the mouth" service.

    Let me make a small "weapon" addition to your article. Yet without the Colt, America is not America. smile


    Above Colt "Frontier" of 1873, below Colt "Peacemaker" of 1873, a cavalry model. Both single-action revolvers, .45 caliber, six rounds per drum.
    Americans are big fans of shooting a “mill” from this revolver, this is when the palm of the left hand cocks the trigger, and the right finger pushes the trigger, it turns out almost a machine gun burst. This method of shooting is clearly shown in the magnificent film "The Magnificent Seven."
  • Edward Vashchenko
    Edward Vashchenko 11 November 2019 18: 32 New
    +5
    Vyacheslav Olegovich,
    Thank you, a very interesting article!
    1. kalibr
      11 November 2019 19: 01 New
      +3
      I love, dear Edward, everything related to the Indians. He wrote a book for children "Indians", published in St. Petersburg in the Neva Book Company ...
      1. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 11 November 2019 20: 01 New
        +2
        Write about Apaches, Comanches, etc. ... am About those who were not "sheep".
        1. Edward Vashchenko
          Edward Vashchenko 11 November 2019 20: 27 New
          +3
          They were not all “sheep” - formidable warriors, merciless to enemies.
      2. Edward Vashchenko
        Edward Vashchenko 11 November 2019 20: 26 New
        +4
        Vyacheslav Olegovich,
        It’s especially difficult for children to write, it seems to me hi
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 11 November 2019 21: 18 New
    +3
    At one time, everything that Fenimore Cooper could read. Moreover, most often “Pioneers” re-read - what was at hand. And Mine Reid "Headless Horseman."

    And the White Leader and the Quarteron were late caught. And you won’t read it with teenage excitement.
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 12 November 2019 01: 32 New
    +5
    Very interesting. good
    Photos of tomahawks, clubs, shoes and clothing of the Indians are wonderful.
  • kalibr
    12 November 2019 07: 57 New
    +4
    Quote: cat Rusich
    Write about Apaches, Comanches, etc. ... About those who were not "sheep."

    You know, it’s not so difficult to write about those who were not lambs. It is much more difficult, but also more interesting, to write about those who ... collaborated with whites. And there were those!
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 12 November 2019 09: 50 New
      +6
      It is much more difficult, but also more interesting, to write about those who ... collaborated with whites.

      (downcast eyes) mmm ... Are you talking about the Czechoslovak Corps? wink They, it seems, first collaborated with the whites, and then they stole all-Russian gold and issued Kolchak - they say, have fun, and we drove home ... repeat
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 12 November 2019 13: 41 New
        +2
        "And as always before the fight,
        Dad Vineta,
        There are a couple of buckets
        Fiery water "
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 12 November 2019 14: 54 New
          +4
          "And only on the third day the Vigilant Eye noticed that the barn does not have a fourth wall ..." laughing
          1. bubalik
            bubalik 12 November 2019 15: 33 New
            +6
            -I used to play Indians as a child!
            - Of course, what else is there to do on your reservation ... wassat
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 12 November 2019 15: 40 New
              +3
              I spent all my childhood with the name of Chapaev good and Major Fedotov from the movie "Scout's Feat" -
              "And do not try to joke, Stübenk! You will receive money, and much more than Rummelsburg pays you!"
              “Knock it out, Willy, knock it out ...” and, of course, the toast at the banquet of the general: “For Victory! ... For OUR Victory!” drinks soldier
              1. bubalik
                bubalik 12 November 2019 15: 50 New
                +6
                ,,, a can of herring-ivashi on a shovel from a shovel and an emphasis of wire, either Diagterev, or Lewis winked(depended on the thickness of the handle tongue ) the main thing was like a machine gun good and kept the defense of our headquarters fighting off the Nazis laughing (I always was for some reason NS in the rank of captain laughing )
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 12 November 2019 16: 34 New
                  +2
                  About the same “Lewis” was cooked from Degtyar in the “White Sun of the Desert”. smile
              2. Phil77
                Phil77 12 November 2019 16: 06 New
                +1
                Greetings to Konstantin! And this: * Patience Styubing (by the way, how right?) And the Ukrainian stubble will turn into gold! *, And this: * You are an idiot, Styubing! *. laughing
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 12 November 2019 16: 31 New
                  +1
                  Hi Seryozha! hi Correct: "Patience Willy, patience ... etc." This is he Martinson, who played Willy Pommer, the son of the co-owner of the company Pommer and Eckert, and part-time adjutant gruppenfuhrer Rummelsburga.
                  As it was during the conversation at Lubyanka - Fedotov: "It is an honor for me, Rummelsburg is a strong opponent."
                  And the general replied to him: "I would prefer that he be a weak opponent, but Rummelsburg is a strong opponent ..."
                  After "You doodle Stubing" was followed by the following smile : "... and as far as I know Rummelsburg, he will hang you and, perhaps even earlier than me." Sumptuously! Classics of the genre!!! Moreover, Fedotov is a real person and even the surname in the film is real.
                  1. Phil77
                    Phil77 12 November 2019 18: 03 New
                    +1
                    Of course, it’s an amateur matter: * To whom, to pop, to someone! *. But for me personally, a film for all times from this genre, unconditionally * Seventeen moments of spring *.
                    1. Catfish
                      Catfish 12 November 2019 18: 08 New
                      +1
                      Phone call. Muller - Stirlitz: "My friend, how many will be two or two?"
                      Information for consideration: "Stirlitz did not know how much will be two or two, but he also did not know if Muller knew this." bully
                      1. Phil77
                        Phil77 12 November 2019 18: 16 New
                        +1
                        First of all, Ha, ha, ha! laughing laughing laughing In pursuit, you must admit that jokes were written about those people to whom people feel sympathy, albeit with irony, but sympathy. But I think we won’t wait about the current jokes! Now I want to turn to you as a specialist. Is it true that armed with SD and the Gestapo stood * Sauer 38H *? I read about this recently, but the source, in a word your word will be more authoritative.
                      2. Catfish
                        Catfish 12 November 2019 18: 27 New
                        +1
                        Sergey, I won’t lie about Sauer - I don’t know. But I can assume that in the special services of any country, especially during the war, the employees chose their personal weapons at their own discretion. Even in the Wehrmacht there was such a variety of brands of pistols both by year of production and by country, so what can we say about special equipment.
                        I had no business with this model of Sauer, the machine is relatively rare, but, according to reviews, it was of a successful design and very well made. At least those pistols that were released before the middle of the forty-third year, then the quality of all the weapons went limp. So both in the SD and in the Gestapo there were of course, but I’m hard to say officially according to the rules or not.
                      3. Phil77
                        Phil77 12 November 2019 18: 33 New
                        +1
                        Yes, this article is mentioned about it! At the end of the war, quality began to decline rapidly. About this * 38 * -ke, an article in * Military History *, November issue.
                      4. Catfish
                        Catfish 12 November 2019 19: 03 New
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                        This machine has one serious drawback - the hidden trigger, and in this he greatly lost to Walter PP and PPK.
                      5. Phil77
                        Phil77 12 November 2019 19: 06 New
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                        But after all, for hidden wearing, is it the most? Size, I mean. Is there an ideal weapon, yes?
                      6. Catfish
                        Catfish 12 November 2019 19: 10 New
                        +1
                        So for hidden wear, Walter PPK was already much more secretive. And as for the perfect weapon, Surely this is a weapon to which you are accustomed and trust. smile
                  2. hohol95
                    hohol95 13 November 2019 11: 41 New
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                    Infantry weapon of the Third Reich. Part 1. Pistols (C B Monitors)
                    The SA took the gun in September 1937. Police - April 1938.
                    Since December 1941, it is approved for use in the Wehrmacht.
                    Until 1945, 265000 units were manufactured. 1943 units were transferred to the Wehrmacht only in 1944 - 65000.
  • Golovan Jack
    Golovan Jack 12 November 2019 15: 50 New
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    Quote: bubalik
    Of course, what else to do on your reservation ...

    good laughing good
  • Van 16
    Van 16 12 November 2019 18: 36 New
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    "Walked along the wild prairie stagecoach,
    leaving food for the vultures
    and the last chance was taken away from the stagecoach
    red-skinned guy Winneth. " smile
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 12 November 2019 18: 47 New
      +2
      In the role of Vinnetu-Pierre Brice. (* Vinnetu is the leader of the Apaches *, and Goiko Mitich in the background, surprisingly, right?)
      1. Van 16
        Van 16 12 November 2019 19: 47 New
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        I Goyko more like Osceola and Ulzan remembered. In defovskih films. And to Vinnet, if I am not mistaken, this is the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. hi
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 12 November 2019 21: 19 New
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          You are not mistaken. Germany, France, Italy, SFRY.
  • kalibr
    12 November 2019 07: 59 New
    +3
    Quote: Edward Vashchenko
    It’s especially difficult for children to write, it seems to me

    I have a novel for children and about Indians: PEOPLE AND WEAPONS. But I just can’t publish it. Publishers report - Native American theme is now the last in the ranking of books bought! And yes, it’s very difficult for children to write, but that’s why it’s interesting. In my book from the series of children's encyclopedias “Knights” and “Crusaders” there are inserts of literary texts - a journey by time machine ... It was very difficult to show that life artistically.
  • kalibr
    12 November 2019 08: 05 New
    +4
    Quote: Phil77
    And the read disheveled books from the Mine-Reed library, Fenimore Cooper ?! Damn, well, we were lucky with childhood.

    Yes, it’s hard to disagree. Such discoveries. He took Mine Reid from his aunt to read, he came, put a chair to the window, climbed into it with his feet, a sandwich, a cocktail (!), But how about ... and read ... read.
  • kalibr
    12 November 2019 08: 18 New
    +3
    Quote: Sasha_rulevoy
    And they didn’t go with a naked torso.

    They walked, they just walked, smeared with the fat of a bear. Although, of course, not always.
  • kalibr
    12 November 2019 10: 25 New
    +3
    Quote: Pan Kohanku
    collaborated with whites.

    By the Americans!
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 12 November 2019 16: 08 New
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      Quote: kalibr
      By the Americans!

      Pale-faced. angry
  • bubalik
    bubalik 12 November 2019 15: 31 New
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    Most wars with the Indians - if not all - were the result of our systematic violation of the obligations given to them.
    From a speech by the President of the United States, Hayes, in Congress in 1877
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 12 November 2019 18: 30 New
      +3
      Hi Sergey! And by the way, notice that the Indians were always good heroes in Gedeer films, and negative in the US westerns, except for those who * collaborated * with * the occupiers *. And, yes, they still didn’t treat the Hurons on * Defa *. repeat
      1. bubalik
        bubalik 12 November 2019 18: 39 New
        +4
        hi
        ,,, about the movie
        -Yes? Mal? As on the warpath - not so small! And what about the movie ...
        ―Shame yourself, White feather! You have not celebrated your sixteenth spring yet ... good
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 12 November 2019 18: 52 New
          +2
          If I were born an Indian, then I would have a nickname-Swiftly lying. Anecdote.
          1. kalibr
            12 November 2019 18: 55 New
            +2
            Shoshone had an Indian named Cloudy ... That-mo
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 12 November 2019 19: 02 New
              +3
              * Mom, are you an Indian?
              - Think what you say, son.
              _And why do you have a scalp on your nightstand? * yes
  • kalibr
    12 November 2019 18: 54 New
    +2
    Quote: Phil77
    In the role of Vinnetu-Pierre Brice. (* Vinnetu is the leader of the Apaches *, and Goiko Mitich in the background, surprisingly, right?)

    He was just starting his career!
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 12 November 2019 19: 00 New
      +1
      Greetings Vyacheslav Olegovich! But then something! Wow-hoo !!!! Honored Indian of the countries of the Eastern bloc and, more importantly, the idol of all the children of our country. fellow
      1. kalibr
        12 November 2019 21: 56 New
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        Thank you, Sergey, and all the best to you. The German Democratic Republic was lucky for Mitic and Liselott Welskopf Heinrich. Together they made a fiery cocktail. A real Native American insanity arose in the country. A huge number of Native American clubs where people in the forests depicted Indians, and the poor Shozy had to control it, no matter what happened ... Well, Mitich also starred in the TV series ARCHIVE OF DEATH, not only " Native American "was ...
  • ratveg
    ratveg 13 November 2019 03: 25 New
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    The article is good, just correct the mistake. The battle on Little Big Horn happened on June 25, 1876. There is no difference in 9 days.