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In Poland, announced the replacement of the Soviet air defense system "Osa-AK"

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Polish industry is ready for the development and production of the missile necessary to equip the short-range air defense system, similar in purpose to the Soviet Osa-AK air defense system. This opinion is expressed by the publication Defense24.


SAM "Osa-AK"


The burden from the Soviet era


The Osa-AK air defense system is still in service with the Polish forces. According to the publication, this once again proves the importance for the army of such systems that cover units at close range.

The Soviet product could replace the Narew complex. However, it is optimally suited for use within a radius of 10 to 40 km. For shorter ranges of action, its use is wasteful. The Poprad system looks much more adequate, which is based on the Thunder and Piorun missiles, operating at a relatively low altitude (up to 4,5 km) and range (up to 6,5 km).

However, these missiles require refinement, with which the Polish military-industrial complex is able to cope, Defense24 believes. It is necessary to create a rocket with a range of up to 12 km and a flight altitude of about 7 km. In the role of its platform, the ready-made Poprad mobile platform can serve.


SAM "Poprad"


Future helicopter thunderstorm


The research base should be the Piorun rocket. Although this missile was developed over a decade, the program as a whole turned out to be a failure. Initially, it was assumed that the rocket will be two-stage and have a flight speed in Mach 2-3. In full, only the first stage was completed. SAM with a mass of about 70 kg was accelerated to a speed of 1280 m / s.

Since 2014, the program has been suspended, but developments have remained in the framework of the Piorun 2 project. In its framework, it is assumed that at the first stage of the flight the missile will be guided by a laser, and at the second - self-locking, thanks to the head with an IR sensor. As the simulation showed, upgrading the engines from the base Piorun will provide an opportunity to increase the range of the new product to more than 11 km.

Only the presence of a Piorun 2 air defense missile system will create such a threat to the enemy that he will be forced to withdraw his helicopters at distances exceeding the maximum flight range of the anti-tank transported by them weapons (approximately 8-10 km)

- concludes Defense24.

According to him, the creation of a new rocket is the cheapest and, contrary to popular belief, the fastest way to get a replacement for the Osa-AK system. According to representatives of the Polish military-industrial complex, from the moment the program is launched, it will take only three years to begin flight tests of new weapons.


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  1. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 2 November 2019 03: 32
    +10
    "Thunder" ... "Perun" ... And in the "primary source" - the Russian "Igla-1"! The idea, in general, is not bad ... by adding a step ("first" ...) one gets a zur with an increased range, height reach! In Russia there is also "something similar" ... for example, 9М340 ("Pine"); that is, building a rocket according to the principle: "2 stages - 2 guidance systems" ... In general, there was an idea: zur "Igla-S" "dock" with an additional starting accelerator with "laser-beam" guidance ...; so to speak, an "alternative" to the Swedish Rbs70 ...
    1. LiSiCyn
      LiSiCyn 2 November 2019 03: 44
      +3
      Nikolaitch, Baltic hello to you !!! hi So, the very west and east are being monitored ... soldier
      And the country is sleeping. wink
      An hour was waiting, the first koment ... drinks
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 2 November 2019 05: 12
        +4
        Quote: LiSiCyn
        And the country is sleeping.

        And you do not have to be ill ! And as for sleep ... Duc, they woke up in the Far East for a long time! I live next to a country that for someone is "Mother Japan" and on whose flag there is a "red circle on a white background" (!) ... that is, a sign that the sun rises in the east ... in the Far East! wink
        1. LiSiCyn
          LiSiCyn 2 November 2019 10: 12
          +3
          Well, I, escorted ... You meet. Good day, everyone! good
    2. Bongo
      Bongo 2 November 2019 03: 55
      +7
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      "Thunder" ... "Perun" ... And in the "primary source" - the Russian "Igla-1"

      Vladimir, good morning! Now they don't like to remember this, but the license for the GOS MANPADS "Igla" was transferred to Poland in the 90s, after the collapse of the Warsaw Pact.
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      In Russia, there is also "something similar" ... for example, 9М340 ("Pine") ...

      In the series? request
      Initially, 20 years ago, the Sosna was planned as the most simple and massive towed air defense missile system, designed to replace the ZU-23 in the army. This complex is now considered as one of the options for replacing the self-propelled regimental Strela-10.
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 2 November 2019 04: 13
        +3
        Quote: Bongo
        20 years ago, "Sosna" was planned as the most simple and massive towed air defense missile system,

        Serge drinks Did I miss something in this life? A towed SAM system is like what
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 2 November 2019 04: 17
          +2
          This is "good" on a two-axle cart.
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 2 November 2019 04: 21
            +7
            Sorry request I made a mistake in writing crying I just had a grandson born at 0.30 in Moscow .... exactly 9 years ago fellow So I'm not very friendly with writing now No. But I have never even seen this canoe request
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 2 November 2019 04: 28
              +3
              Congratulations to my grandfather, son and grandson (compote))))! drinks And halves, of course! love
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              1. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 2 November 2019 04: 30
                +2
                Thanks from the whole family drinks I only have a daughter recourse So son-in-law drinks laughing
                1. Lexus
                  Lexus 2 November 2019 04: 51
                  +1
                  It is not a sin for a good son-in-law to paternally love and respect. I am sure my daughter will not object and be jealous. drinks
            2. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 2 November 2019 05: 16
              +4
              Sincere congratulations to all "persons involved" of the accomplished event! good
        2. Bongo
          Bongo 2 November 2019 04: 24
          +6
          Quote: Ruslan67
          Seryozha drinks Have I missed something in this life? A towed SAM system is like

          Ruslan, good to see you! drinks

          This is a modernized ZU-23. The gunner-operator of the first version of the "Sosny" was supposed to sit in a capsule protected by transparent armor and be able to receive external target designation. The towed four-axle unit in the firing position was powered by an integrated benzo or turbo generator.
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 2 November 2019 04: 27
            +2
            Quote: Bongo
            ... The gunner-operator of the first version of the "Sosny" was supposed to sit in a capsule protected by transparent armor and be able to receive external target designation.

            I definitely missed something what Is it so difficult for a vegetable, and even transparent, if there is MT LB?
            1. Bongo
              Bongo 2 November 2019 04: 31
              +3
              Quote: Ruslan67
              I definitely missed something

              It was OCD in the mid-90s. It did not come to construction in metal. In general, "Pine" is "chewed" for a very long time.
              Quote: Ruslan67
              Is it so difficult for a vegetable, and even transparent, if there is MT LB?

              A difficult question ... Apparently, the specialists of the Design Bureau of Precision Engineering named after A. E. Nudelman ”was his reason. request
              1. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 2 November 2019 04: 33
                +1
                Quote: Bongo
                Difficult question..

                Well, if it did not go into the series, then probably yes ...
              2. Tusv
                Tusv 2 November 2019 05: 07
                0
                Quote: Bongo
                In general, "Pine" is "chewed" for a very long time.

                Products for air defense even chew for a long time. It was fast in the USSR when, in all wars, the unleashed Yankees harnessed and can be experienced in real life. Now also suitable targets must be created. Otherwise, how will you experience hi
                1. zyablik.olga
                  zyablik.olga 2 November 2019 12: 04
                  +2
                  Quote: Tusv
                  Products for air defense even chew for a long time. It was fast in the USSR when, in all wars, the unleashed Yankees harnessed and can be experienced in real life. Now also suitable targets must be created. Otherwise, how will you experience

                  It seems to me that the matter is not in the targets, especially since the first tests are carried out in "throw mode". The delay was most likely due to lack of funding and weak customer interest.
            2. venik
              venik 2 November 2019 09: 13
              +1
              Quote: Ruslan67
              Is it so difficult for a vegetable, and even transparent, if there is MT LB?

              ==========
              So in the end they did! But at first they wanted "simpler" and "cheaper" request
      2. Lexus
        Lexus 2 November 2019 04: 14
        +2
        Initially, 20 years ago, "Sosna" was planned as the most simple and massive towed air defense missile system

        The ZRPK probability of hitting the target by artillery fire is close to the statistical error. How many times I saw the shooting "Tunguska" and "Pantsir", the defeat of the target from the cannons - isolated cases. As a rule, he finished it off with missiles.
        1. venik
          venik 2 November 2019 09: 17
          0
          Quote: lexus
          How many times I saw the shooting "Tunguska" and "Pantsir", the defeat of the target from the cannons - isolated cases. As a rule, he finished it off with missiles.

          ===========
          And at what distances? It seems to me that if you shoot "on the radar" - it is really difficult to hit, but if you aim with "optics" - it should be more precise !!
        2. Rzzz
          Rzzz 4 November 2019 00: 20
          0
          The task of the cannons is to shoot at the little things. It's a pity to shoot down a plywood jihad drone at the cost of a hundred bucks with a rocket. And due to the design features, it may not be visible at a distance when you can shoot a rocket. The example with the defeat of "Shell" in Syria by "Delilah" is indicative - he saw Delilah, but it was already too close. I did not shoot from the cannons (probably the cartridges ran out), the missiles flew past (did not have time to aim).
      3. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 2 November 2019 05: 02
        +3
        Quote: Bongo
        Vladimir, good morning!

        And all the best to you! Yes ... really true! Transferred! What were they not ready to transfer "to the side" in those years! Some of the Soviet developments were partly saved from the "transfer" by the fact that the "NATO" then believed that Russia was finished and why spend money on the acquisition of Soviet developments, even for little ...?
        And about the "Pine" ... so, recently there were reports that the "Pine" decided, nevertheless, to take into service! As for the "replacement" of "Strela-10M ...", my opinion is that it is possible to extend the "service" of these complexes by equipping them with modernized Igla-S missiles with combined seeker (semi-active laser ... + IR. GOS) ...
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 2 November 2019 06: 05
          0
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          Some of the Soviet developments were partly saved from the "transfer" by the fact that the NATO members then believed that Russia was over.

          Here you have to look in the complex. Many Soviet developments lay under the carpet for many years due to the technical impossibility of implementation. They are not nafig NATO. And here is the most interesting thing, I feel the minuses will be trampled. About Taburetkin. Before the reform, under his "sensitive" leadership, they really lagged behind the West in thermal imagers in optics, in communications and much more.
          Count up The Americans, after the Munich speech of the Guarantor and South Ossetia, built us a plant in Yo-Burg for the production of long-range Wi-Fi systems. The French "transferred" (here rather We stole, and especially without modernization of Our OMZ) thermal imaging technology that civil systems can see a car 40 km away. Of course, one must understand that civilians overestimate, and the military underestimates. But anyway.
          For some short 10 years, technology has been better than the Chinese drinks . What about the Russian? A simple screwdriver (note. Not a screwdriver) is enough to improve these technologies drinks
          Threat amendment. Technologies were tyril from 2008 to 2014. Which significantly increase my chances of pluses
    3. Lexus
      Lexus 2 November 2019 04: 09
      +3
      "Rolands" and "Crotali" are of retirement age. ADATS is dead. Most likely, the "mobile" NASAMS 2 or RBS-23 Bamse, into which the Swedes are again trying to "breathe life". The Poles themselves are unlikely to pull.
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 2 November 2019 05: 12
        +1
        Quote: lexus
        The Poles themselves are unlikely to pull.

        The Poles themselves, like the Hindus, announce a tender and invite Jews, Germans and Swedes. Sami can only wave tsiferkami lol
    4. Tusv
      Tusv 2 November 2019 04: 33
      +1
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      Russia also has "something similar"

      As Comrade Saakhov said: "Chas word is insulting." We are ahead of the rest of the world. for short-range air defense, and we have a "similar" Jamming Pine with Laser, optical and thermal imaging guidance on targets with very low ESR. In general, the axes fall into the lung. How can you attach it "to the ready-made Poprad mobile platform"? I do not know. comrade general. Only castrate. Moreover, they also want missiles from the Pantsir with its 1300 m / s. What for? Too much against Axes and Helicopters. Contrary to Zircons not enough
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 2 November 2019 06: 28
        +5
        Quote: Tusv
        As comrade Saakhov said: "Chas word is insulting"

        Don't be offended, comrade Saha ... Vladimir! Well I ... in a certain sense! As for: "2 stage-2 guidance system", we are the first here .... it seems! But, Zur MANPADS such as "Strela", "Igla" to equip an additional stage with a rocket engine, we did not, although there were proposals ...
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 2 November 2019 06: 43
          +1
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          As for: "2 stage-2 guidance system", we are the first here .... it seems!

          What is offended then. Ahead of a long weekend. drinks I just report. That in the near systems are completely different criteria. And Russia is a trendsetter. And the Pans from Pshekia are trying to screw a completely different hodgepodge on their mobile platform. This does not happen. It is not possible to compact a rocket from the Shell and control it on the Poprad mobile platform. Not yet possible. May Bi Poles know how to do this by placing an order with those who can make it drinks
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 2 November 2019 07: 16
            +4
            Quote: Tusv
            Pshekia pans are trying to tie a completely different hodgepodge to their mobile platform.

            Duc ... "pans" are not the first and probably not the last! It seems like you can remember the Serbs with their "Sling" ... what
            1. Tusv
              Tusv 2 November 2019 07: 26
              +1
              Quote: Nikolaevich
              It seems that the Serbs can be remembered with their "Sling".

              Perhaps the namesake. But Atom came up in hell, not me. A2 / AD came up with the Americans. We are just stupid drinks
              And the Serbian sling? If she was soaked in our silence
      2. mvg
        mvg 2 November 2019 11: 31
        -2
        Against Axes and Helicopters excessively

        Did Strela-10 drive many axes and helicopters in Iraq and Yugoslavia? And the Carapace in Syria? Or ZU-23 or Shilka? So, scare, drive away. IC GOS last century. To calm down the columns on the march. The Stingers in Afghanistan "thrashed" at first, and Falanx shows almost 100% results, according to the tests. So ahead of which planet are we all?
    5. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 2 November 2019 11: 26
      0
      All this, of course, is interesting, sometimes even exciting, but it rests on a single question - where to get the money? Especially taking into account the fact that the Pshek were going to update the fleet, and the Air Force, and air defense. And all of it costs such money that I want to cry.
  2. svp67
    svp67 2 November 2019 03: 55
    +1
    Well done, they did an analogue of the Soviet rocket of the 90s, Success !!!
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 2 November 2019 05: 16
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      Well done, they did an analogue of the Soviet rocket of the 90s, Success !!!

      Not for the sake of justice
      In full, only the first stage was completed. SAM with a mass of about 70 km was accelerated to a speed of 1280 m / s.

      Fsego delof that. Teach to hit the target drinks

      PS: The mass of 70 km, that's what. In Kilomusory chtoli?
  3. Tusv
    Tusv 2 November 2019 04: 50
    +1
    I looked here that the Poles allegedly create
    The Soviet product could replace the Narew complex. However, it is optimally suited for use in a radius of 10 to 40 km.

    That's right. Jewish Raphael doesn't offer less wassat
  4. Adimius38
    Adimius38 2 November 2019 07: 51
    0
    very interesting
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 2 November 2019 08: 46
    0
    will create such a threat to the enemy that he will be forced to withdraw his helicopters at distances exceeding the maximum flight range of the anti-tank weapons they carry
    We are already starting to withdraw. The Poles, like the Ukrainians, to create something of their own, take as a basis the still operating Soviet weapons (fans of US weapons do not worry). As a result, they present it as their "latest" developments. We must show that the Polish military-industrial complex also seems to be at the world level.
  6. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 2 November 2019 09: 00
    +2
    Poland has never been our friend or ally, so why was this needed ?!

    In the period from 1995 to 2004, the Russian side provided technical assistance in the development and development of production of individual MANPADS, supplied Russian components and materials, full localization of production at Polish enterprises was possible only after 2004.

    The portable version of the complex in terms of composition and design repeats almost completely the Russian Igla complex.


    Our Rosoboronexport has earned a lot on this ?!
  7. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 2 November 2019 09: 03
    +2
    Poland has never been our friend or ally, so why was this needed ?!

    In the period from 1995 to 2004, the Russian side provided technical assistance in the development and development of production of individual MANPADS, supplied Russian components and materials, full localization of production at Polish enterprises was possible only after 2004.

    The portable version of the complex in terms of composition and design repeats almost completely the Russian Igla complex.


    Our Rosoboronexport has earned a lot on this ?!

    Poland - more than 400 launchers and more than 2000 missiles. About 400 missiles delivered in the new version of Perun.

    Georgia - in 2007 Poland delivered 30 GROM E2 man-portable air defense systems to Georgia (according to other sources: 100 sets). In October 2008, in an interview with Polish Radio, Polish Foreign Minister R. Sikorski confirmed the delivery of complexes to Georgia.

    Lithuania - in September 2014, a contract was signed for the supply of a MANPADS party from Poland in the amount of EUR 34,041 million; on December 22, 2014, the Lithuanian Ministry of Defense announced the receipt of the first batch of MANPADS.

    Caucasus Emirate - on October 10, 2008, two MANPADS were discovered in a weapons cache in the Chechen Republic. Presumably, the complexes got there from Georgia.


    How was that even possible ?! It just doesn't fit in my head.