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Where to find 64% upgrade of the Russian army?

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In October, many media outlets discussed the figure voiced by Defense Minister Shoigu: 1,5 trillion rubles allocated in the 2015 year are being mastered according to plans, in general, everything is just fine.




But there are details that I would like to take seriously, and not just shout "Urya!"

1,5 trillion rubles is the sum. It even looks worthy in dollars, because 21 with more than a billion of these greenest ... Well, weighty.

70% and even more, according to Shoigu, is aimed specifically at the purchase of modern weapons and equipment. This is more than a trillion. This is again welcomed, because not money, but already amounts.

Further questions begin.

“Currently, the troops have received more than 2,3 thousand units of new and modernized equipment.”


Quote from an interview with Defense Minister Shoigu for TASS.

Let's define the terminology. What is new and what is modernized technology?

We asked for clarification where we should go, that is, to the military. Naturally, from the Western Military District, and as an example the 20-I combined arms army of this district will be used.

So, let's start with the new technology. A new technique is one that has not been in use. I translate: UAZ-469, which was removed from conservation and sent to the N-th regiment - this is the supply of new equipment. It is clear that Kozlik did not become a “Patriot”, but it is new.

Exactly the same история with all the rest of the equipment. They wrote off the T-72B of the year so the 1990 of the issue, which trained several thousand mechanic drivers and gunners, and sent instead the T-72B of the 1985 of the year of release from the warehouse for long-term storage. Lubricated, brushed, tinted - and forth. Rejoice at the new technique.

The technique is really new. You can’t complain about it, the mileage is minimal, you understand the barrel yourself, I didn’t really smell gunpowder and stuff like that.

But a slightly different thing can happen. This is when the T-72B 1990 of the year of manufacture is taken and passed through modernization. That is, new electronics and sights are installed on it, and at the output we have the T-72Б3. Yes, with an old (but new mileage) B-46 engine in 900 hp

This is also a modernization. Yes, in the complex, according to the requirements, it would be necessary to replace B-46 with B-92С2Ф, which gives out 1130 liters. s., but then any reasonable person will be outraged. Why throw nowhere new diesel? Sorry, but the tank on which the crews simply train can well use the resource of the old / new engine.

But if into battle ... But it is clear that you have to go into battle a little on others tanksthan those used for crew training.



The figure in 2 300 units of equipment that the army received, of course, sounds. However, one should not console oneself with illusions; everything is included in the concept of “technology”. From the tank to the field kitchen. Therefore, KamAZ trucks, which are convoying from Naberezhnye Chelny in all districts, are also new equipment.



There is no doubt that the truck is a necessary and useful thing in the army, but ...

But let's look at everything in total.

VCS


They spoke about the videoconferencing verbose, but about nothing. Everything looks very incomprehensible, if with the contracts for the Su-57 it somehow clears up somehow, then in the field of transport aviation and helicopters are a mess.

Under the contracts, deliveries of new fighters are in progress, we won’t argue with this, but the general trend is somewhat vague. And where in the videoconferencing you can find 64% updates in terms of technology, I can’t take it.

Given that to increase purchases of Su-57 fighters and Mi-28NM helicopters, Putin's classic shout was again required. Yes, there is talk of promising contracts for additional Ka-52 attack helicopters and for the modernization of Su-34 bombers.

But we are well aware of what the term “perspective” means. It can be translated in any way. Including in a very uncertain time.

Meanwhile, even if not towards the aerospace forces, but towards aviation, strengthening and reformatting of the airborne forces will require a large number of transport aircraft, both airplanes and helicopters. And there is nothing definite yet on this score.

Well, here is the constant publication on the topic that “just about” the procurement of C-500 will begin.

Ground troops


Returning from the beginning, I’ll just say: I don’t understand where in the modern ground forces these notorious 64% can be found. It would probably be nice to explain this not just by dumping the numbers on the head of the average man, but by showing and telling.

So far, everything that had to be seen in the same 20 Army is not at all optimistic.

Why exactly 20-I combined arms? Everything is simple. If anyone has to take the first strike in the western direction, this is precisely this army. We can talk about the eastern direction, but it is doubtful, to be honest.

We still have only one direction, from where surprises can be expected. And this is traditionally western.

Therefore, the 20 Army.

T-90 of the latest modifications or "Armata"? No. T-72B. In places T-72B3, but in places.

Boomerangs and so on? No. BTR-82A. I’m not saying that bad is rather better than it could be.

Coalition, Msta-S? No again. Msta-B, Acacia, Clove. Msta-S - units for training.

C-400? Yes of course. C-300PS.

They say (and we wrote about this too) that Buk-M53 complexes appeared in the 3th anti-aircraft missile brigade, but we cannot confirm their presence. They were either top secret, or the crews mastered them, or the complexes left for firing ... In short, I’m not sure that they are there at all.

I can continue to infinity, but here's a shot from the city of Valuyki, Belgorod region. From 15 to 25 kilometers to the border with Ukraine. There stands the 3th motorized rifle Wislen Red Banner, the orders of Suvorov and Kutuzov Division.



Here are the pictures, maybe someone will see there “Almaty”, “Coalition” and everything so modern. We did not see.

Fleet


С fleetAs you know, everything is not going smoothly with us. We do not dream about aircraft carriers, cruisers, destroyers and frigates yet, since the possibilities are limited.

From here there is a certain priority of submarines. Specific - this is because a contract has been signed for two Ashes, everything else is hidden behind air phrases such as “you can expect”, “Under certain conditions” and so on. That is, neither Boreev nor Varshavyanka will be over the order.

Interest will be overtaken by boats, diving bots and other small equipment. It is clear and not in dispute that diving bots are also needed, but ... Where are 64% of new ships?

In general, playing with numbers is, of course, a good thing. But it is completely incomprehensible where to look for these 64%? In fact, 2 300 units - this is not so much. Given that in our armed forces there are by no means 10 000 units of equipment, if you think about it, this is not so much. Even if all 2 300 units are KAMAZ trucks, they will still have a couple of pieces in each part. So well-informed people explained to us.

But there are not only trucks, these are tanks, and armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles, BMDs, air defense systems, air defense systems and other equipment.

Joyful reports and beautiful figures, gentlemen, managers have always been able to draw. Especially gentlemen are effective managers.

And here the question arises: what lies behind the figure in 64%? And is this figure so true, and is the new technology not new in terms of wear, but in terms of modernity?

And in general, it would be very nice to expand the figure. Just telling how much, what and where it went. What the money pledged to rearm the army took. And it turns out a little incomprehensibly. It seems that the money was spent (our money, taxpayers), something was bought, and what, for someone - was covered in darkness.

And since we were talking about criticism of the Ministry of Defense, I have noticed such a thing for a long time: statements from the press service of the Russian Defense Ministry are simply replete with joyful messages in the future tense. “Next year they’ll get into the military defense zone (for example) ...” “In 2020, the troops will enter ...” “They’ll build it for officers ...” And so on, you understand, we have enough of these positives, specifically with reference to the PS of the RF Ministry of Defense.

And at least once they provided information about what was built, really arrived, and so on.

It is necessary to be more transparent, yet we live in the 21 century. And for a long time already the rainbow figures in the reports, not backed up by anything, are not encouraging, but annoying. And I would like to see a real new technique, not the numbers in the reports.
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  1. Aerodrome
    Aerodrome 1 November 2019 05: 51
    +51
    eeee my friend Roman Skomorokhov ..! Yes, you do not see the "star" TV channel! wassat hi
    1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
      Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 1 November 2019 08: 09
      +2
      He had no time to watch television channels, every day he needed to publish publications on the site.
      The exact same story with all the rest of the technology. They wrote off the T-72B of the year so the 1990 of the issue, which trained several thousand mechanic drivers and gunners, and sent instead the T-72B of the 1985 of the year of release from the warehouse for long-term storage. Lubricated, brushed, tinted - and forth. Rejoice at the new technique.

      Over 9 years, at least 800-830 T-72Б3 + another one and a half hundred T-72Б3 arr. 2016 g. (There are two versions of the T-72B3. The first 2011 model has a B-84-1 engine with 840 hp, the T-72Б3 model 2016 is equipped with a significantly more powerful B-92С2Ф engine in 1130 hp). Modifications suitable for alterations in the T-72B3 are not so much left. The T-72B3 is already reworking the “late” T-72s, which correspond to the T-72B as much as possible. Also, due to the lack of storage, the T-72B began to upgrade the T-80BV to the T-80BVM variant, which implies the maximum possible unification with the modernized T-72B3 tank in order to reduce costs. In parallel with the contract for the modernization of the T-80BVM party in Omsk, there is a state order for the overhaul of the T-80BV in Strelna, apparently there really will be a lot of tanks needed for new armies and divisions.
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 1 November 2019 08: 33
        +1
        And is it technically possible to replace finished turbine T-80 turbines with diesel engines?
        1. Aerodrome
          Aerodrome 1 November 2019 08: 58
          +7
          Quote: EvilLion
          And is it technically possible to replace finished turbine T-80 turbines with diesel engines?

          meaning? lack of diesel? and in the north?
          1. EvilLion
            EvilLion 1 November 2019 09: 02
            0
            Cheap diesel engines, less fuel and vehicles for its transportation.
        2. YOUR
          YOUR 1 November 2019 09: 31
          +6
          No problem. Object 219RD - experimental modification of the T-80B tank with the installation of a diesel engine A-53-2 (2V-16-2) with a capacity of 1000 hp Object 644 - experimental modification of the T-80 with the installation of a diesel engine B-46-6.
          Only get T-72.
          1. EvilLion
            EvilLion 1 November 2019 10: 01
            0
            The T-80 has a different chassis. Worse, and others. Fighting compartment. Experienced and serial diesel modifications of the T-80 were designed for a diesel engine; sticking a diesel engine instead of a m / b turbine is non-trivial even in size.
        3. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
          Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 1 November 2019 12: 07
          +4
          Quote: EvilLion
          And is it technically possible to replace finished turbine T-80 turbines with diesel engines?

          If the entire engine and transmission compartment is replaced, then I doubt it. For example, on the Uzbek T-64 instead of the Ukrainian two-stroke boxer boxer diesel engines 5DTF with the power of 700 hp, requiring special expensive oils that are sensitive to overheating and dust wear of the cylinder-piston group, the entire engine-transmission compartments of the Ural tanks T-72Б were installed. They include a B-84MS engine with 840 horsepower.
      2. Sancho_SP
        Sancho_SP 1 November 2019 12: 40
        +2
        One gets the feeling that 2500 thousand tanks is all that is in a state of "more than a hull."

        T-90m should be expected after the alteration of all living things into new modifications.
      3. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 1 November 2019 14: 42
        -1
        The late John McCain in 2016 Discovered $ 13 billion in miscellaneous spending at the Pentagon. hi
        1. Every
          Every 1 November 2019 15: 56
          +16
          Quote: Tank jacket
          The late John McCain in 2016 Discovered $ 13 billion in miscellaneous spending at the Pentagon. hi

          So what? Once they steal in the Pentagon, then ours is possible?
          As in the 90s, to do everything with an eye "like them"?
          1. Tank jacket
            Tank jacket 1 November 2019 17: 02
            +2
            From kruzak and pradikov in my yard will turn out smart jihadmobiles. What is not your mobilization potential ???
            USSR lost in the Cold War with a well-equipped army laughing
          2. Doliva63
            Doliva63 1 November 2019 19: 20
            +6
            Quote: Every
            Quote: Tank jacket
            The late John McCain in 2016 Discovered $ 13 billion in miscellaneous spending at the Pentagon. hi

            So what? Once they steal in the Pentagon, then ours is possible?
            As in the 90s, to do everything with an eye "like them"?

            Well, we still live like that. Copy, so to speak, the best capitalism on the planet laughing
            1. Tank jacket
              Tank jacket 1 November 2019 23: 50
              +3
              The Khamkhoev family of drug dealers from Sagra can give 2 jeeps without straining ...
              1. Samum
                Samum 6 November 2019 22: 08
                0
                Sagra again !? Again drug dealers !? Is it that the Investigative Committee of Russia is kidding !? What about the Mesters !?
        2. at84432384
          at84432384 1 November 2019 18: 31
          +4
          13 lard to their budget is just a penny.
          1. Tank jacket
            Tank jacket 2 November 2019 01: 04
            +1
            Take away from Khamkhoevs ..
            1. Samum
              Samum 6 November 2019 22: 13
              0
              And what is there, again, the drug lords in Sagra have grown so sick !?
              Let's call the topic "Sagra-2 insolence of the thieves !!!!"
      4. brat07
        brat07 2 November 2019 04: 12
        -7
        Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
        He had no time to watch television channels, every day he needed to publish publications on the site.
        The exact same story with all the rest of the technology. They wrote off the T-72B of the year so the 1990 of the issue, which trained several thousand mechanic drivers and gunners, and sent instead the T-72B of the 1985 of the year of release from the warehouse for long-term storage. Lubricated, brushed, tinted - and forth. Rejoice at the new technique.

        Over 9 years, at least 800-830 T-72Б3 + another one and a half hundred T-72Б3 arr. 2016 g. (There are two versions of the T-72B3. The first 2011 model has a B-84-1 engine with 840 hp, the T-72Б3 model 2016 is equipped with a significantly more powerful B-92С2Ф engine in 1130 hp). Modifications suitable for alterations in the T-72B3 are not so much left. The T-72B3 is already reworking the “late” T-72s, which correspond to the T-72B as much as possible. Also, due to the lack of storage, the T-72B began to upgrade the T-80BV to the T-80BVM variant, which implies the maximum possible unification with the modernized T-72B3 tank in order to reduce costs. In parallel with the contract for the modernization of the T-80BVM party in Omsk, there is a state order for the overhaul of the T-80BV in Strelna, apparently there really will be a lot of tanks needed for new armies and divisions.

        I really liked his phrase:
        We asked for clarification where we should go, that is, to the military.

        And more:
        So well-informed people explained to us.

        Probably, he makes good money on these "articles"?
        You are Ours omnipresent. winked
        1. brat07
          brat07 2 November 2019 04: 18
          -4
          "Our shot was everywhere in time."
          Well, something like this.
          1. brat07
            brat07 2 November 2019 23: 25
            -1
            Well what can I tell you?
            Thank you very much for the cons !!!
            Well, sooo grateful to you !!!
    2. Bar2
      Bar2 1 November 2019 09: 04
      +39
      what can I say? The Putin’s army is fighting on the USSR’s technology, although 30 years have passed, and the people, as usual, are fed statements by responsible persons.
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 1 November 2019 10: 20
        -1
        Quote: Bar2
        what can I say? The Putin’s army is fighting on the USSR’s technology, although 30 years have passed, and the people, as usual, are fed statements by responsible persons.

        The US Army is fighting on the namesake of Reagan and is doing quite well.
        1. Potato
          Potato 1 November 2019 11: 27
          +18
          The U.S. Army is fighting on m1a2sep v2, bmp bradley, strikers and love25. At the time of the Reagan was m1 and ravings.
        2. Alf
          Alf 1 November 2019 20: 39
          +2
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          The US Army is fighting on the namesake of Reagan and is doing quite well.

          1. The US Army picks its opponents from the "second league."
          2. Before starting to fight, the United States bribes opponents.
          So it is possible to fight and win with the Thompson and Sherman.
      2. antivirus
        antivirus 1 November 2019 11: 11
        -4
        Interest will be overtaken by boats, diving bots and other small equipment

        -pants and a T-shirt are also needed by everyone, especially in winter.
        but you can only show off in one coat
        1. Revival
          Revival 1 November 2019 14: 00
          +16
          Yes, only then bring the analogy to the end.
          By your analogy, pants and a T-shirt are needed and can they show off without a fur coat in winter?
          The article just says that there is no "fur coat", but only "shorts and a T-shirt"
          1. antivirus
            antivirus 1 November 2019 15: 13
            -2
            that's how I write - firstly, underpants and a T-shirt, and then the salary of the budgets and very later "fur coats" ..
            Ministry of Finance and other civilian departments Shoigu bend over their fur coats.
            1. Revival
              Revival 1 November 2019 15: 40
              +6
              Well, if you take this angle ..
              Then the question arises, why are all the "shorts and a T-shirt" still, why are "so crooked" that they have not reached the "fur coats" so far?
              And we return, in the end, to the same place: that when voicing "percentages in a vacuum" they are fraudulent to cover up the fact that the "crooked hands" and to "fur coats" stupidly could not reach
      3. Sergey1987
        Sergey1987 1 November 2019 11: 40
        -34
        Quote: Bar2
        The army of Putin's Russia has been fighting on Soviet technology, although 30 years have passed, and the people, as usual, are fed statements by responsible persons.

        Do not carry nonsense. Tigers, Lynxes, T-72B3, T-90, Su-34, Su-30, Su-35, Ka-52, Mi-28N, Buyany-M and a bunch of others were created under Putin Russia.
        1. Potato
          Potato 1 November 2019 11: 50
          +29
          Sorry, only the Tigers and Lynxes from the list you announced.
          1. Sergey1987
            Sergey1987 1 November 2019 12: 06
            -24
            Quote: Potato
            Sorry, only the Tigers and Lynxes from the list you announced.

            What do you mean?
            The T-90 in mass production under Putin began. T-72B3 modernization under Putin. Su-34 the first flight of 1990 into operation in 2014 is now 120 aircraft. Su-30 began operation in 1992, under Putin began to be actively adopted. Su-35 first flight of the 2008th, under Putin goes into service. Ka-52 first flight of 1997, under Putin began to enter the army. The same story with the Mi-28. The Buyans began to be built in 2010. The calibers they launched were put into service under Putin.
            1. Potato
              Potato 1 November 2019 12: 39
              +36
              Sorry again))) you have incorrect data. The T90 tank is a Soviet tank, like the T72. Su34 is t10b - a Soviet aircraft. Su30 too. And even su35 is the Soviet su27m) I have the Military Parade magazine for 1994, and there are also t90, su35, and su34, and even the now forgotten su37 and su39. And there are 52. And mi28. Sorry, but this is all Soviet development.

              Caliber and buoys - yes.
              1. Sergey1987
                Sergey1987 1 November 2019 14: 32
                -12
                Quote: Potato
                The t90 tank is a soviet tank

                In 1989, the T-90 passed state tests, but was adopted only 92 weapons. Now the T-90SM is being produced. Modified.
                Quote: Potato
                like t72

                T-72 is a Soviet tank, but modernization began under Putin.
                Quote: Potato
                Su34 is t10b - a Soviet aircraft.

                Development began in 86, but it was specifically brought to mind in the mid-00s and most importantly launched into the series.
                Quote: Potato
                And even su35 is the Soviet su27m)

                The basis was taken Su-27, it is clear that it was not necessary to take the F-15 to develop a new aircraft. Designed and launched in a series of two thousandths.
                The main thing you are trying to prove? What is Putin to blame? The fact that Soviet developments were used to develop the latest technology? Or he had to give up all Soviet weapons, otherwise you just can’t sleep peacefully. Or maybe it's his fault that they went into mass production? The fact that dozens of them produce for the MO? Can you tell me what statements people feed there? What do not you like? What do thousands of people have jobs in the military-industrial complex? What do modern weapons enter the armed forces?
                So how are you not doing everything is bad. Just to spit in power.
              2. Vlad.by
                Vlad.by 1 November 2019 22: 35
                -1
                Su34 I have already counted three options. The duckling is extreme. And the first and second is not like even once. With Su30 about the same story. As with the T90.
                The banal AK74 is the one that comes from production now and the one that was under the Union - two big differences. I understand that all that’s bad is “from Putin,” but you need to know the measure.
                Strange, I didn’t expect this from Roman.
                I remember years ... th ago, when taking the Su34 into service, they announced a 32-car contract.
                The screech about the fact that this is critically small and on this it would all end to heaven. However, w ...
                And so you can go through almost every position. Including TA and Navy
          2. Alf
            Alf 1 November 2019 20: 39
            +11
            Quote: Potato
            Lynx.

            Lynx created in the country of pasta.
      4. at84432384
        at84432384 1 November 2019 18: 36
        +9
        Do we have "responsible" persons in general? And how do they answer? Under Stalin, responsible persons responded with at least freedom. In the Khrushchev-Brezhnev time - a position. And now nothing at all. In social networks, he will be called a traitor to national interests. So that is all.
    3. Lexus
      Lexus 1 November 2019 10: 27
      -7
      And also "Techno 24" and of course "RenTV" can be recommended. laughing
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      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 1 November 2019 12: 44
        0
        Monster_Fat (Yes What Difference) Colleague, you wrote a terrible truth for many good
        I will support you and I will accept part of the minuses for this truth at my own expense drinks
        1. Monster_Fat
          Monster_Fat 1 November 2019 12: 55
          +5
          Well, I’m not afraid of the minuses (they always miss it, because for some reason they consider it an “American”, well, I work in the USA, so why not? Maybe I’m from the Petrov-Basharovs ... wink ) and I'm not chasing "titles" (like some who, from different accounts, stuffed "plus signs" for themselves, while considering themselves "decent", remember? This character is found on this forum thread too ... yes ), I express my point of view whether she likes it or not.
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 1 November 2019 13: 17
            +3
            [b] [/ b] [quote = Monster_Fat] [/ quote] That's right, there are cardboard "marshals" here. And laughter and sin.
            1. Russia
              Russia 1 November 2019 13: 26
              +6
              Quote: Stroporez
              [B] [/ b]
              Quote: Monster_Fat
              That's for sure, there are cardboard "marshals" here. And laughter and sin.

              Laughter and sin if you are from another paper a grown-up general. wink
              1. Monster_Fat
                Monster_Fat 1 November 2019 13: 29
                -1
                Laughter and sin if you are from another paper a grown-up general.

                Ah-ah ... I'm sorry, I thought there was only one here - "such" (everyone here knows his story ...) ..... it turns out they are here ... wink
                1. A good one
                  A good one 2 November 2019 14: 45
                  +4
                  Quote: Monster_Fat
                  Laughter and sin if you are from another paper a grown-up general.

                  Ah-ah ... I'm sorry, I thought there was only one here - "such" (everyone here knows his story ...) ..... it turns out they are here ... wink

                  It seems to me, I apologize for the tactlessness that usually thin and squishy ones hide behind such avatars. Self-affirmation? wink
              2. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 1 November 2019 13: 29
                -3
                Quote: Rusland
                Laughter and sin if you are from another paper a grown-up general.

                However, like you, Colonel yes Only not in one year laughing
          2. Masha
            Masha 2 November 2019 19: 47
            +2
            Quote: Monster_Fat
            Well, I'm not afraid of cons

            I'm not afraid of injections, if I need to inject myself! wassat
        2. Edik
          Edik 1 November 2019 12: 55
          +1
          Quote: Stroporez
          Monster_Fat (Yes What Difference) Colleague,

          Why are you substituting a colleague with a sling cutter? People used to doubt that you were colleagues in the workshop, but now you have dispelled all doubts, my friend!
          1. Monster_Fat
            Monster_Fat 1 November 2019 13: 10
            +2
            And here, everyone, among themselves ... - "colleagues" - some: "friends-colleagues", others: "sworn" ..... "colleagues" .... wink yes
            1. Edik
              Edik 1 November 2019 13: 16
              +2
              Quote: Monster_Fat
              for some reason "American", well, I work in the USA, so what?

              Well, if so, why do you constantly rinse Russia while living in the USA? Are there no problems in the USA? Let’s write now, but in the USA this is how things are, everything’s gone laughingAnd we will put you the pros.
              1. Monster_Fat
                Monster_Fat 1 November 2019 13: 20
                +7
                Once again, for "tankers": I work in the USA (rotational work and all that is, like from Vyatka (Kirov) to Moscow, only further and more complicated ... yes ) And I don’t need the advantages of a draw - is there an exchange of opinions, not because of the pros and cons? Not? winked
                1. Edik
                  Edik 1 November 2019 13: 28
                  -2
                  Quote: Monster_Fat
                  Once again, for "tankers": I work in the USA (rotational work and all that is like from Vyatka (Kirov) to Moscow

                  Apparently you confused me with another tanker, did not know that you are a migratory bird! So all the same:
                  Quote: Edik
                  Let’s you write now, but in the USA this is how things are, everything has disappeared And we will put you the pluses.

                  So what's the problem? The USA is such a country that they have paradise gardens growing there and there’s nothing to criticize them for?
                  1. Monster_Fat
                    Monster_Fat 1 November 2019 13: 32
                    +2
                    There will be a topic "about the USA" - we will criticize the USA. By the way, read my profile, there is a lot of "unflattering about the USA". yes
                    1. Edik
                      Edik 1 November 2019 13: 42
                      +2
                      Quote: Monster_Fat
                      There will be a topic "about the USA" - we will criticize the USA. By the way, read my profile, there is a lot of "unflattering about the USA".

                      Wow, on our site every day the USA is rinsed, I haven’t seen your, so to speak authoritative opinion! Why are you in other ranks! Tell me why? Love, respect the USA?
                2. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 1 November 2019 13: 32
                  -16
                  Quote: Monster_Fat
                  I work in the USA (shift method and all that is like from Vyatka (Kirov) to Moscow

                  New legend? Curiously, for the first time in five years, what is in my memory ... is it really so hot?

                  Quote: Monster_Fat
                  And I don’t need the advantages of a draw ...

                  ... but hype to catch is "yours". Don't deny, it's useless laughing

                  Quote: Monster_Fat
                  there is an exchange of views

                  Uh-huh. Only now you, as a rule, bring your "opinions" here from some info-washing sites ... strange, right?

                  If something looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and swims like a duck - this is most likely a duck

                  You look like a standard "fat" troll. Coincidence, no way?
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                    1. Edik
                      Edik 1 November 2019 13: 51
                      +3
                      Quote: Monster_Fat
                      But (well, finally), the well-known, "not troll" who "filled himself with titles" drew ...

                      I’m one of those who pounced on Roman, everything in a row, everywhere and I think that I’m not the only one who did not agree with his, so to speak, grinding wink
                    2. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 1 November 2019 13: 52
                      -6
                      Quote: Monster_Fat
                      "don't troll" was drawn

                      Yeah. Have you come across? wink

                      Quote: Monster_Fat
                      "stuffed with ranks"

                      In more detail from now on, if Mona. For the words, my American druh, I must answer.

                      And now, right now, again, according to your custom, you will be taken into the bushes laughing
                      1. Monster_Fat
                        Monster_Fat 1 November 2019 17: 07
                        +3
                        Come on, dear "Cat Man Null" or how are you there, in fact? I already forgot how many there are, you have accounts ... wink
                      2. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 1 November 2019 17: 28
                        0
                        Quote: Monster_Fat
                        I have already forgotten how many accounts you have ...

                        Active is one. Do not believe me - ask the administration a question. Everything is within the rules yes

                        But what about

                        Quote: Monster_Fat
                        "stuffed with ranks"

                        Come on, come on, buddy ... "And" you already said wink
                      3. Monster_Fat
                        Monster_Fat 1 November 2019 17: 32
                        0
                        Active - One

                        Ah ... I see ... "Manul" was again banned ... And how many "inactive", so to speak "sleeping"? wink
                      4. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 1 November 2019 17: 56
                        -3
                        Quote: Monster_Fat
                        And how many "inactive", so to say "sleeping"?

                        For those who are like a radio station, I repeat: everything is within the rules.

                        Will you repent for "stuffing yourself", or what? wink
                      5. Monster_Fat
                        Monster_Fat 1 November 2019 18: 17
                        +5
                        Ahhh ... it turns out that it is within the “rules” to have several accounts ... I see ... All adults understand that they are "not trolls" and they have several accounts ... how do they (trolls) say it is simply "in within the rules ”... Only now, the rules of this forum read as follows:
                        The site is strictly prohibited:
                        AND)…..
                        B) ... ..
                        AT)…..
                        D) Have multiple accounts per visitor;

                        So everything is “within the rules”? Well, well ... "So shall we repent, or not?"
                        And by the way, "stuffed" - here is a link to that our "conversation" (in the forum thread), where you also claimed that "stuffing yourself" ranks just "within the rules" .... however, the moderators were with do not agree with this .... really, forgotten?
                        https://topwar.ru/139737-rubl-76-na-62-zhit-budet.html#comment-id-8117034 hi
                      6. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 1 November 2019 18: 29
                        -9
                        Quote: Monster_Fat
                        You also argued that "stuffing yourself" with ranks is also "within the rules"

                        There’s no such link ... buddy. Do not wake the beast in me, I beg yes
                      7. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 1 November 2019 21: 04
                        +2
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        There is no such link.

                        And in the rules of the site there. wink
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Do not wake the beast in me, I beg

                        Especially the hare .... lol
          2. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 1 November 2019 13: 20
            -5
            Edik (Ed) And I am proud of friendship with many like-minded people on this resource.
            1. Russia
              Russia 1 November 2019 13: 34
              +4
              Meet him with flowers in Sheremetyevo, what a good and shorn boy. yes
            2. Edik
              Edik 1 November 2019 13: 36
              -5
              Quote: Stroporez
              I'm proud

              He is proud !!! Yes, what can be proud of here, that you rinse your rinse with your colleagues here on the resource from morning to night? And when you catch a lie under the lies, you sing the same song the next day! I understand you with tights they’d create something, invent it for Russia! So no, you pour mud on it from morning till night!
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 1 November 2019 14: 04
                +8
                Edik (Ed) Well, firstly, Russia is not power.
                Second, how do you know what I personally did for the homeland?
                Third, I personally have never written anything bad about Russia, but only about the invaders who captured it and I am very sorry that you still do not understand this. And the worst thing is that when you understand the essence of what is happening, it may be too late.
                1. Edik
                  Edik 1 November 2019 14: 08
                  -4
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  but only about the invaders who captured it and I am very sorry that you did not understand this yet.

                  Do you know how many legends about the USSR? For example, about the Jewish Freemasonry! Many are sure that the USSR is their product! So I don’t water from morning to evening of the USSR.
                  1. Karen
                    Karen 1 November 2019 14: 15
                    +3
                    Quote: Edik
                    Many are sure that the USSR is their product!

                    I understand correctly that, it turns out, there is another opinion? :)
                    1. Edik
                      Edik 1 November 2019 14: 18
                      +2
                      Quote: Karen
                      I understand correctly that, it turns out, there is another opinion? :)

                      Here at the line cutter with his colleagues, whose friendship he is proud of, has a different opinion yes
                      1. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter 1 November 2019 15: 02
                        -3
                        Quote: Edik
                        Here at the line cutter with his colleagues, whose friendship he is proud of, has a different opinion

                        Here you are, wise men, to the question of the combat readiness of those who are most ready for battle. I'm crying .... https: //topwar.ru/162756-ustanavlivaetsja-prichina-otkaza-parashjutnyh-sistem-pri-desantirovanii-bmd-na-uchenijah-centr-2019.html
                      2. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 1 November 2019 15: 10
                        -2
                        Quote: Stroporez
                        I'm crying...

                        Give a handkerchief, a nasal? For you - I’ll find it, so be it.

                        And tell me, like a trooper, have you ever landed a lot of equipment in your age? Something tells me that not a single unit wink
                      3. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter 1 November 2019 23: 29
                        -2
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Give a handkerchief, a nasal? For you - I’ll find it, so be it.

                        In short, you got me a troll! Pull out all your accented acces, come on .... go ahead ...., well then you know the words!
                      4. Edik
                        Edik 1 November 2019 19: 22
                        +2
                        Quote: Stroporez
                        https://topwar.ru/162756-ustanavlivaetsja-prichina-otkaza-parashjutnyh-sistem-pri-desantirovanii-bmd-na-uchenijah-centr-2019.html

                        Masters of your teachings!
                      5. Vlad.by
                        Vlad.by 1 November 2019 22: 50
                        +2
                        Do you need to bring Chinese fighting rice sticks or do you manage to do with nails for tweaking?
                        Maybe this is the way of "filling ranks" ??
                        So in PM, plz! Find out the relationship there.
                        And then they got here "vests",
                        the usual "lieutenant colonel" can’t read the truth of the homespun ...
                      6. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter 2 November 2019 14: 03
                        -7
                        Vlad.by (Vladimir) Sorry for flooding hi Previously, for weeks "srach" was bred, but in this case everything is clear for everyone yes
            3. Edik
              Edik 1 November 2019 13: 59
              +2
              Quote: Stroporez
              Edik (Ed) And I am proud of friendship with many like-minded people on this resource.

              Oh, sling cutter, I don’t have much comments, right? There weren’t enough skulls goodI will not go to complain like yours Colleagues tongue
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 1 November 2019 14: 04
                -3
                Quote: Edik
                Oh, sling cutter, I don’t have much comments, right? There weren’t enough skulls

                Skulls were canceled a long time ago, with shtroborezami - we’ll still hang out ... and karma is a matter of gain drinks
                1. Edik
                  Edik 1 November 2019 14: 11
                  +4
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  with shtroborezami - still hang around ...

                  Too many of them became Roman, not without a policy of leadership in.
              2. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 1 November 2019 14: 17
                -2
                Quote: Edik
                Quote: Stroporez
                Edik (Ed) And I am proud of friendship with many like-minded people on this resource.

                Oh, sling cutter, I don’t have much comments, right? There weren’t enough skulls goodI will not go to complain like yours Colleagues tongue

                I see that human stupidity has already assumed an infectious nature. what Try to contact a specialized doctor, maybe there are still chances yes
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 1 November 2019 14: 20
                  -1
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  human stupidity has already assumed an infectious nature. Try to see a profile doctor

                  For a long time, for a long time you haven’t been soaring in the bathhouse ... even a little tired somewhere, I would note wink
                2. Edik
                  Edik 1 November 2019 14: 24
                  +9
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  I see that human stupidity has already assumed an infectious nature.

                  Stroporez if it is not you, then I apologize below hi
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  Try to contact a specialized doctor, maybe there are still chances

                  I was already in the hospital today! You know, not a penny, they didn’t tear it off like you usually did! is freeI go to dressings, I don’t want to stay in the hospital, it’s always better to stay at home! Although the sisters are there good
                  1. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 1 November 2019 14: 43
                    0
                    Edik (Ed)I shouldn’t apologize, I’m not a muscular young lady. But if brought, then accepted.
                    Now let's talk about our-your "notions".
                    Remind me when I wrote that they took ("ripped off") money from me in the hospital ?!
                    And if it’s about medicine, the fact that any high-tech studies like MRI, NMR, etc., have now become paid, you can of course stand in line for 3 months in advance, but never wait.
                    Again, the well-known fact that doctors are massively fired. We have two doctors left on a huge sleeping area. We have optimized.
                    And I also recommend reading the last "masterpiece" of your "colleague". What is he hinting at there? This is the question of complaints.
                    Threat. I wish you a speedy recovery and no longer get into hospitals, and it's better to look at the sisters all the same in the park. good drinks hi
                    1. Edik
                      Edik 1 November 2019 14: 49
                      +6
                      Quote: Stroporez
                      And I also recommend reading the last "masterpiece" of your "colleague". What is he hinting at there?

                      A novel usually doesn’t hint, it does! So if I were you, I would listen to what a smart person says to you!
                      1. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter 1 November 2019 14: 56
                        0
                        Quote: Edik
                        Quote: Stroporez
                        And I also recommend reading the last "masterpiece" of your "colleague". What is he hinting at there?

                        A novel usually doesn’t hint, it does! So if I were you, I would listen to what a smart person says to you!

                        Let's do without advice, otherwise you can go on a famous trip.
                        If I wrote everything I think about this, I would fly away to the ban without even having time to finish writing laughing
                        Therefore, I am extremely correct yes
                      2. Edik
                        Edik 1 November 2019 15: 58
                        0
                        Quote: Stroporez
                        Let's do without advice, otherwise you can go on a famous trip.

                        Did I advise you?
                        Quote: Stroporez
                        If I wrote everything I think about this, I would fly away to the ban without even having time to finish writing

                        So I knew that you are not a cultural boor!
      2. at84432384
        at84432384 1 November 2019 18: 39
        -1
        Well, well, the VO audience (can easily be judged by the +/-) is clearly different from "Russia Forward!"
    5. Alien From
      Alien From 1 November 2019 20: 31
      +2
      Where to find ?????? On paper !!!!!! or in the pocket of effective managers ...
  2. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 1 November 2019 06: 00
    +27
    In 2020, the troops will enter ...
    One "Today" more expensive than three "tomorrow"
    not numbers in reports.
    Announce the entire list! And not in rubles, but in pieces!
    1. Ilya-spb
      Ilya-spb 1 November 2019 07: 18
      +24
      Walking along the street "Then" leads to the square "Never" (((
      1. bessmertniy
        bessmertniy 1 November 2019 07: 59
        -3
        In general, somehow in numbers it would be more understandable, but on emotions, comparisons are more often not objective than objective. Raw material.
        1. Chit
          Chit 1 November 2019 09: 42
          +17
          It is precisely the lack of figures and specifics from the Moscow Region that the author points out. There are no numbers other than the notorious 64%. Understand how you want.
          In general, I have already paid attention to this tendency from the Ministry of Defense. This is from the series "we will build ... we will make ... we will launch ... we will complete ... we will create ... we will make ..."
          The attachment to the future tense of the Russian Defense Ministry is already in the blood.
          1. Invoce
            Invoce 1 November 2019 12: 27
            -9
            An article from the series "everything is lost"! The figures reflect the percentage of planned modernization, that which needs to be updated. And these are not just numbers, not from the ceiling. Difficulties in the receipt and acceptance of new and modernized military equipment at the RF Ministry of Defense is that funds are not promptly transferred to the accounts of enterprises, and the "sanctions" still affect ... but there is no need to argue with the actual figures. There is control from all sides, from the Accounts Chamber, to the prosecutor's office, the FSB, the tax and the Ministry of Finance ... and it is not the fault of the RF Ministry of Defense that it does not publish in open sources what equipment, how much, what and how it was modernized and purchased (adopted and entered the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, including stood on the database)
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 1 November 2019 12: 34
              +13
              Quote: Invoce
              And these are not just numbers, not from the ceiling.

              These figures are the same lies as the Rosstat figures on economic growth.
              Rosstat and Soyuzmultfilm steers. fellow
              1. brat07
                brat07 4 November 2019 17: 13
                -1
                Quote: Stroporez
                Quote: Invoce
                And these are not just numbers, not from the ceiling.

                These figures are the same lies as the Rosstat figures on economic growth.
                Rosstat and Soyuzmultfilm steers. fellow

                Are you sure (with a specific evidence base),
                That
                These numbers are the same lies
                ??
                Or do you have insider information?
            2. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 1 November 2019 13: 10
              +14
              Quote: Invoce
              no need to argue with the actual numbers.

              And I wonder what is the "actual figure"? What is one Shark sent for scrap? How to count, by the piece with Varshavyanka, or by displacement?
            3. at84432384
              at84432384 1 November 2019 19: 13
              +7
              With such a budget surplus, it is simply impossible to justify "the lack of promptness in the receipt of funds." You need to be a storyteller. "Open / closed" sources ... From whom are they open and from whom are they closed? In the USSR, when there was a "probable enemy", there really were such, but now, when there is no national payment system, it's just for fools. The CIA knows on the same day which plant received how much money from the Ministry of Finance and how much for a salary card for locksmith Vanya. " dripped. "And they are just as well aware of all the" kickbacks ". Everything is closed only for ordinary Russian citizens who support these crooks who privatized the state with their taxes. Everything in history repeats itself. Exactly the same thing happened 100 years ago. It ended in revolution and civil war. And it goes to that.
              1. brat07
                brat07 5 November 2019 01: 08
                0
                Quote: at84432384
                With such a budget surplus, it is simply impossible to justify "the lack of promptness in the receipt of funds." You need to be a storyteller. "Open / closed" sources ... From whom are they open and from whom are they closed? In the USSR, when there was a "probable enemy", there really were such, but now, when there is no national payment system, it's just for fools. The CIA knows on the same day which plant received how much money from the Ministry of Finance and how much for a salary card for locksmith Vanya. " dripped. "And they are just as well aware of all the" kickbacks ". Everything is closed only for ordinary Russian citizens who support these crooks who privatized the state with their taxes. Everything in history repeats itself. Exactly the same thing happened 100 years ago. It ended in revolution and civil war. And it goes to that.

                On the same day, the CIA knows which plant received how much money from the Ministry of Finance and how much was "dripped" on a salary card for locksmith Vanya

                About how!
                And where are such sources of information from?
                You apparently know that the CIA knows what you know? No?
            4. Tamer
              Tamer 7 November 2019 19: 51
              0
              Quote: Invoce
              funds do not promptly arrive at the accounts of enterprises

              You are not in the subject
          2. spectr
            spectr 1 November 2019 14: 29
            +3
            MO can not be otherwise. They are generally forced to walk on the edge. You say too much - they can ask for it (by job or term), not enough - show the inefficiency of the department. So rushing between the lies and the truth.
  3. carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 1 November 2019 06: 18
    +2
    and 1 separate tank? 144 division? other connections? The beeches near Kursk went under their own power in my opinion they saw everything) under Iskander they only have the training as far as I know. Yes, and in general, in fact, they have been creating it anew since the age of 15. there work in my opinion for 10 years minimum that would bring everything into a divine form. more logical, such an analysis was to start with 1 tank. as for me.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 1 November 2019 06: 59
      +10
      Quote: carstorm 11
      and 1 separate tank?

      That's just the point, that is separate. Where is 64%?
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 1 November 2019 07: 15
        -15
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        The fact of the matter is that a separate

        In what - in that?

        I served in what is now the First Tank, under the Union. There are three vehicles in the platoon - one for seven years, the other two for eight. All - without average repair belay Battle group, og.

        Now this is not there. And this is a predatory plus, even without any interest there. But the construction battalion does not understand request
        1. Vadim Golubkov
          Vadim Golubkov 1 November 2019 08: 00
          +12
          I also served after training in the 1st Guards Tank Army in a motorized rifle regiment, and we mostly had new and modern equipment for the T-80 tankers. True, this is the GBV.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 1 November 2019 08: 18
            -8
            Quote: Vadim Golubkov
            True, this is the GBV

            Well, that’s it.

            In the 4th Guards. TD 80s began to arrive in the 88th, EMNIP. Before that - there were 64 matches. That's what I wrote about them above.
            1. EvilLion
              EvilLion 1 November 2019 08: 35
              -2
              And let's remember what the USSR fought in in the 80s in Afghanistan, there were a lot of at least T-72s there.
              1. lukewarm
                lukewarm 1 November 2019 09: 10
                +20
                Quote: EvilLion
                than the USSR fought in Afghanistan in the 80s

                I do not agree. We are talking about plans for modernization and their implementation. What is the comparison with the 80s? And in Afghanistan there were T-62Ms. There were enough of them. Tank battles with spirits were not conducted))) So they rolled their way. So this is not an indicator. In Syria, the same tank is still fighting and not bad.
                1. EvilLion
                  EvilLion 1 November 2019 10: 02
                  -7
                  Well, the T-72B3 is now enough, two hundred theoretical "Leopards" -2 with meter-long lobeshniki, a thousand of our tanks will still not be able to interfere.
                  1. Potato
                    Potato 1 November 2019 11: 24
                    +13
                    So these are only 2 leopards modified 1000 hundred. And if you count the tanks of our probable adversaries? Suddenly, 72 tXNUMXb ceases to be enough ...
        2. Potato
          Potato 1 November 2019 08: 25
          +3
          Now there are the same tanks that you still served on, but repaired, of course, ahahaha
      2. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 1 November 2019 07: 21
        -2
        I'm talking about the army) not a brigade) had to be finished)
  4. Obi-Wan Kenobi
    Obi-Wan Kenobi 1 November 2019 06: 36
    +15
    In general, playing with numbers is, of course, a good thing. But it is completely incomprehensible where to look for these 64%?

    Actually, I agree with the author. The article addresses a really interesting question.
  5. mso.716
    mso.716 1 November 2019 06: 40
    +10
    Where to find .. On the TV, where else
  6. yuliatreb
    yuliatreb 1 November 2019 06: 48
    +2
    Roman, there is, of course, some truth to what you wrote, but nevertheless, new technology is arriving in the RA, not in the quantity you would like, but it is coming and will continue to arrive. It feels like someone offended you and you start, but did you know .....
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 1 November 2019 10: 08
      +1
      Quote: yuliatreb
      Roman, there’s a certain truth in what you wrote, of course, but nevertheless, new technology is arriving in Armenia, not as much as I wanted, but she does and will do.

      Did you read the article well or were content with the comments? New is old well renovated? Do the names Husky, Coalition, Leader, Armata tell you something? is there a list in pieces, or are you trying to push through again?
      Quote: yuliatreb
      It feels like someone offended you and you start, but did you know .....

      It feels like someone paid you or showed something, and you begin to tell fairy tales and ask some strange questions to former and current military people ...
      They wrote to you that deliveries of new equipment in the promised volumes are not visible, you rush with some kind of microscope and say something.
      Can I tell you what happens in the troops when new equipment arrives? The main thing here is not "she did it" (should do it), but - "here is the practical application of the new (latest) weapon ...
      1. yuliatreb
        yuliatreb 1 November 2019 10: 28
        +2
        It is you who do not carefully read my comment, I fundamentally disagree with the author, that you brush my hair here, do I know if I know this, I know no less than yours, something went wrong, the problem voiced by the author exists, but not to that extent. And the article does not say about the practical use of (latest) weapons (God forbid), but where to find these 64%. smart ass
  7. asv363
    asv363 1 November 2019 07: 00
    +1
    And at least once they provided information that Was built, really acted and so on.

    Roman, it’s more likely that claims should be made not to the Moscow Region, but specifically to our under-financiers and under-economists, who have reduced spending on the army and navy to an unacceptably low level. The numbers on October 8 of this year were announced preliminary results for the 9 months of this year. There were 2 units there. equipment, here are about construction and material obligations:

    The Defense Minister named the construction of military infrastructure, housing and social facilities for military personnel and their families as another priority for the military. Almost 168 billion rubles were allocated for these purposes this year. At the beginning of October, 2 buildings and structures were commissioned, which is 338 percent more than last year. By the end of December, their number will increase to 15 objects.
    In 2019, the Ministry of Defense fulfilled its housing obligations for nearly 85 thousand families, including the provision of permanent and official housing, payment of compensation for rental housing and housing in the framework of the funded mortgage system.
  8. Moore
    Moore 1 November 2019 07: 04
    +13
    A new technique is one that has not been in use. I translate: UAZ-469, which was removed from conservation and sent to the N-th regiment - this is the supply of new equipment.

    The operation of the IWT sample begins from the moment the representative receives the MO from the manufacturer (1st category), about which a corresponding entry is made in the form. From here begins the life cycle of the sample, including: intended use for military and educational purposes, maintenance, valuables, transportation and repair. Those. even if the IWT went into storage, it is considered accepted for use.
    The weapons and military equipment are already in the second category and are not to be called new.
    On the other hand, juggling with numbers has not been canceled.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 1 November 2019 07: 24
      +2
      By the way, yes. did not pay attention to this. The equipment removed from storage cannot be new as it was accepted earlier. removed from storage and undergone modernization is another category.
  9. gorenina91
    gorenina91 1 November 2019 07: 18
    +10
    - Personally, I completely agree with the author ...
    -It can only be said with complete confidence that the latest Russian military equipment is exported ... -Real newest Russian equipment with all the components, with spare parts (of course ... - also the latest) and so on ... delivered on time and without delay ... - to the armies of other states ... - under their order ... - And there are no longer any "isms" ... - they say ... - the order will be "fulfilled"; "will be delivered"; in the "prospect of supplying new weapons" ... and so on ... - Everything is clear there. and doable ... -simply take and deliver; arm; equip; fulfill the order, commitments, etc.
    -And for the Russian army "all these" remain ...: - "will go into service"; "will be replaced with new ones"; "in the future, the supply of modern modernized ..."; "in the near future they will be re-equipped with ... the newest" and so on .. and so on .... -This is all this "gorgeous assortment" and goes to the Russian army ...
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 1 November 2019 07: 29
      -3
      you apparently do not quite understand what contractual obligations are. MO is essentially a buyer. How much will order and receive. it does not overlap with export. their only and main profit is the primary opportunity to conclude contracts since the capacities are not rubber. both there and there is a question of opportunity. here again the math is ordinary. what is 100 percent? this is all the equipment that is in service. from car to tank. any. and everything needs to be replaced. which means that any unit is included in this calculation.
      1. gorenina91
        gorenina91 1 November 2019 09: 04
        +3
        - Of course I don’t understand ....
        -But there are ... like you ... who are trying to explain and justify such misunderstandings ...
        -This is when the latest Russian equipment (which the Russian troops are not yet armed with) ... is supplied to foreign states ...- Moreover, far from friendly states; and at the same time payment is accepted ...- Russian loans granted to this state by Russia, so that it repays the same loans for Russian equipment ...
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 1 November 2019 09: 31
          +5
          Once again, I repeat that the MO orders and receives. what is sold for export has an export version and has nothing to do with MO orders. there is no such thing that we will not give you, but we will give for export understand. MO is just one of the customers like any other. if they don’t take the factories to close order? until they give birth to orders? plus why then create export versions? in principle, our MO is not going to take them.
          1. gorenina91
            gorenina91 1 November 2019 09: 50
            -4
            MO is just one of the customers like any other. if they don’t take the factories to close order? until they give birth to orders? plus why then create export versions? in principle, our MO is not going to take them.

            -This is too "big topic" and concerns not only MO ...
            -It's not all in "two words" ... -so ... -sorry ...
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 1 November 2019 10: 25
              +5
              what is big in it?) these relations between the manufacturer and the customer are commonplace. there is nothing new in this.
        2. your1970
          your1970 1 November 2019 09: 37
          +2
          Quote: gorenina91
          states ...- Moreover, far from friendly states; and at the same time payment is accepted ...- Russian loans granted to this state by Russia, so that it repays the same loans for Russian equipment ...

          This is exactly what was accused by the liberals of the USSR - the payment of goods and raw materials for the supply of the latest weapons transferred under 3 loans of the Reich ....
          1. gorenina91
            gorenina91 1 November 2019 09: 45
            +7
            -Yes ... fascist Germany was then forced to supply the latest machine tools and equipment to the USSR ...
            -Well, but today it's the other way around ... -For the delivered Russian equipment they pay with palm oil and other rubbish ... and then the remaining debts of Russia ...- "generous and hospitable Russia" simply forgives and writes off ... -even far from poor and quite solvent states ...
            1. your1970
              your1970 1 November 2019 09: 48
              +4
              Take an interest - how many debts are written off by the USA, Germany and France .... you will be very surprised ... very much ....
              1. gorenina91
                gorenina91 1 November 2019 10: 24
                +3
                -Yes .. "write off" ...
                -So they’re leading Russia ... still ...
                -From ... "the times of the Ochakovskys" ...- to WWI ...- to the "Lend-Lease" ... -and everything to the last penny ...
                -About the "Paris Club" I will keep silent ... -You are still repaying ...
              2. Potato
                Potato 1 November 2019 11: 31
                +7
                So Germany, France and the USA are wealthy bourgeois. What are we writing off?
        3. Sergey1987
          Sergey1987 1 November 2019 11: 49
          -1
          Quote: gorenina91
          - This is when the latest Russian equipment (which the Russian troops are not yet armed with) ... is delivered to foreign countries

          Or maybe you call this technique, and to which non-friendly states did we deliver it?
          1. Alf
            Alf 1 November 2019 20: 57
            +6
            Quote: Sergey1987
            Quote: gorenina91
            - This is when the latest Russian equipment (which the Russian troops are not yet armed with) ... is delivered to foreign countries

            Or maybe you call this technique, and to which non-friendly states did we deliver it?

            Is Turkey a friendly state?
            1. Sergey1987
              Sergey1987 2 November 2019 12: 13
              -3
              Quote: Alf
              Is Turkey a friendly state?

              You carefully read what Irina wrote for nonsense. Is the S-400 modern military equipment that the Russian troops have not yet armed with, but is supplied to foreign countries? We have 27 regiments already armed with the S-400. And Turkey is not an ally to us yet, but certainly not an unfriendly country.
              1. Alf
                Alf 2 November 2019 16: 14
                +2
                Quote: Sergey1987
                We have 27 regiments already armed with S-400.

                That's when ALL the air defense units will be re-equipped with the S-300 from the 400s, and then it will be possible to think about export.
                1. Sergey1987
                  Sergey1987 5 November 2019 16: 16
                  +1
                  Quote: Alf
                  That's when ALL the air defense units will be re-equipped with the S-300 from the 400s, and then it will be possible to think about export.

                  Is that what you decided? Are you a general in air defense? Or just for any reason you need to spit in the direction of any decision management? S-400 at an accelerated pace entering the troops. And for your information until 2020, 56 divisions should arrive. 54 have already arrived.
        4. d.olegov44
          d.olegov44 1 November 2019 12: 28
          +16
          Quote: gorenina91
          the latest Russian equipment (which the Russian troops are not yet armed with) ... is supplied to foreign states ...- Moreover, to far from friendly states; and at the same time payment is accepted ...- Russian loans granted to this state by Russia, so that it repays the same loans for Russian equipment ...


          This is very annoying. In fact, everything is much worse. The export of arms by Russia in most cases looks like this:

          1. We come to the client with our technology. The client says yes, the technique is good, but no dough. We say: well, please, buy, we will give you a loan for this matter.

          2. The latest technology is sold conditionally to Indonesia for 50% palm oil and a 50% loan at a ridiculous percentage (if only they took it), released by Russia itself. A loan is either in bucks (which stimulates the American economy and strengthens the US dollar) or in rubles (which means that by the time it returns it will already depreciate due to inflation in the Russian Federation.

          3. Conditional Indonesia cannot pay not only a loan, but is not even able to supply an agreed amount of palm oil.

          4. Putin writes off credit to Indonesia, having received half of palm oil for weapons.

          Somewhere at the time of the announcement of the transaction under paragraph 2, local morons arrange a sabbath, dancing with gonfalons about getting up from their knees and minus everyone who suggests thinking whether palm oil is more equal to a fighter.



  10. Esso
    Esso 1 November 2019 07: 21
    -13
    Novel, a lot of reasoning, no facts. Write a gag, some general numbers, as I said before, not yours! An explanation for you. In the USSR in the best years from the development of new military equipment, to the delivery to the troops with mass production took about 15-20 years. You need to write in more detail. And you apparently do not own the information. Do not write like that, since you do not know how.
    1. Potato
      Potato 1 November 2019 08: 21
      +14
      When did it take 15-20 years from development to delivery in the USSR ?! A few years maximum!

      It is in the Russian Federation after 20 years that they began to gradually supply the army with what they developed back in the USSR, such as mi28, su34, ka52 or t90))) but this did not happen in the USSR in the worst years!)))
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 1 November 2019 08: 38
        -11
        Especially for you, the PFI program, or whatever it was called, which led to the MiG-29 and Su-27 began in the 1968 year. And only after 14 years appeared in parts of the MiG-29, and through 17 Su-27.
        1. Potato
          Potato 1 November 2019 08: 50
          +21
          Especially for you
          Mig 29 - the beginning of development - from the moment of separation into ty and li and sketch - 6 years. From the first flight of the prototype to mass production and operation - 5 years.

          Pak fa - from the beginning of development to the first flight of the prototype - over 10 years. 9 years have passed since the first flight of the prototype - serial production and operation are still in the future ...

          Anie Quizzes?)))
          1. EvilLion
            EvilLion 1 November 2019 09: 06
            -13
            Serial production has already been ordered and started. And this is not in the conditions of the USSR, with endless investments in the army, that is, the speed of the Su-57 is not just good, it is excellent. The project does not even begin with TK, but with research. The planes of the 1980s were laid in the 1960s. With tanks, of course, easier.
            1. Potato
              Potato 1 November 2019 09: 25
              +12
              I will say so - endless investments in the army are endless investments in education, industry and science. This is the worthy work of thousands of people and the production of goods demanded all over the world. I see nothing wrong with that. Medicine and education will stretch along with this. And even culture. So that...

              And by su57 time will still show. Serial production of valves began a year ago. Or two. And where are they?
              1. EvilLion
                EvilLion 1 November 2019 10: 07
                -6
                The army itself does not produce anything, bayonets, as you know, are suitable for many things, but you can’t sit on them. And you will not eat powder. But this is not the point, the USSR invested as much as it considered necessary, Russia also invests as much as it considers necessary, now it needs several times less. Nevertheless, the 5 generation fighter was launched into the series for the same 8 years after the 1 flight, as Americans with a military budget have more than all other countries combined.
                1. Potato
                  Potato 1 November 2019 10: 22
                  +17
                  I agree that producing guns and gunpowder is not a panacea. But to produce oil and gas, and to proclaim yourself a serious power - this is completely stupid!
                  1. EvilLion
                    EvilLion 1 November 2019 11: 04
                    -8
                    I don’t think that the production of oil, which is technologically very complicated, is worse than the production of cheap consumer goods, for which demand is changeable, but without oil, everything is extinct.
                    1. Potato
                      Potato 1 November 2019 11: 42
                      +18
                      For 30 years, China has become the second economy in the world and a high-tech monster that has supplanted the hegemon. And the Russian Federation on oil and gas went down from second place to 7th. What is wrong with your reasoning?
                    2. Ross xnumx
                      Ross xnumx 1 November 2019 14: 11
                      +3
                      Quote: EvilLion
                      and here without oil everything, carcasses of light.

                      Especially for "electricians" information for thought:



                      Compare! There are those who have not even seen how this oil looks.
                      1. EvilLion
                        EvilLion 1 November 2019 16: 07
                        -8
                        Russia has built a plant for 200 million and it is working. The United States has not built a similar plant. spent 15 billion, asking for more. => our GDP is 200 Million, there are 15 billion of them. Yes, the example is taken from Aftershock. But it works like this. Go to GDP further.
                      2. Sergey1987
                        Sergey1987 2 November 2019 12: 40
                        -4
                        Quote: ROSS 42
                        Compare! There are those who have not even seen how this oil looks.

                        Yes, enough of this GDP (nominal) as an argument to show. The level of the economy is estimated by GDP (PPP), and GDP per capita is not an indicator of living standards.
              2. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 1 November 2019 10: 27
                -7
                since this year actually. the first will go at the end of the year. but it’s better how, during the Union, raw cars drag troops into parts of a bunch of factory representatives. vanity. cars are transported back there. money is like a fool's candy wrappers.
            2. d.olegov44
              d.olegov44 1 November 2019 12: 37
              +6
              Serial production has already been ordered and started.


              Is it without engines?
          2. Esso
            Esso 23 November 2019 17: 34
            0
            Quote: Potato
            Especially for you
            Mig 29 - the beginning of development - from the moment of separation into ty and li and sketch - 6 years. From the first flight of the prototype to mass production and operation - 5 years.

            Pak fa - from the beginning of development to the first flight of the prototype - over 10 years. 9 years have passed since the first flight of the prototype - serial production and operation are still in the future ...

            Anie Quizzes?)))

            You again read the info first, about from the beginning of development to mass production. Read carefully. From the Project for KB on the order of defense mines to the flight of the first model, for several years it is true, NOOOO. I say, from the development of new military equipment, to the delivery to the troops with mass production, it took about 15-20 years.
            Example The project of creating a light front-line fighter of a new generation in the USSR was launched in the late 1960s.
            In 1969, a competition was announced for the development of a promising aircraft, which received the designation PFI (promising front-line fighter). The tactical and technical requirements for such an aircraft were ambitious: long range, the ability to use short runways (including the use of poorly trained), excellent maneuverability, maximum speed - more than 2M and heavy weapons.
            Due to delays associated with the loss of two prototypes in accidents, mass production was launched only in 1982 on the basis of the Moscow factory number 30 “Banner of Labor”. In August 1983, the first production MiG-29s began to arrive at the Kubinka air base. The machine successfully passed state acceptance tests in 1984, after which it began deliveries in front-line aviation. Let's count 1969 and 1984. 15 years! Here is the figure.
        2. Alf
          Alf 1 November 2019 21: 03
          -1
          Quote: EvilLion
          Especially for you, the PFI program, or whatever it was called, which led to the MiG-29 and Su-27 began in the 1968 year. And only after 14 years appeared in parts of the MiG-29, and through 17 Su-27.

          Work on the LPFI began in 1974, the result of which was Product 9, which received the designation MiG-29A. The first flight of the prototype was performed on October 6, 1977. The pre-production aircraft was first spotted by U.S. intelligence satellites in November 1977 and received the designation Ram-L (meaning the city of Ramenskoye - the place over which the aircraft was first spotted).
          Due to delays associated with the loss of two prototypes in accidents, mass production was launched only in 1982 on the basis of the Moscow factory number 30 “Banner of Labor”. In August 1983, the first production MiG-29s began to arrive at the Kubinka air base. The machine successfully passed state acceptance tests in 1984, after which it began deliveries in front-line aviation.
  11. Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 1 November 2019 07: 24
    -10
    I will not support the author's pessimism. From personal communication with the military (both with officers and with privates) I know that new equipment and systems are entering the troops. Slowly they are doing. Just a week ago, at the youth military-sports game "Eaglet" military railroad workers helped us. For the museum I need a couple of BAT-M trucks, I ask the major: "If they have BAT trucks? Answer:" No, we now have all the equipment (bulldozers, cranes, etc.) new, mostly foreign. And the track layers and other railway systems are ours. "So there is new equipment. It is diverse and comes not only in the form of tanks, self-propelled guns and aircraft.
    A tank, BMP / BTR is not an indicator of renewal, it is only a side of the army renewal visible to non-specialists. By the way, not only representatives of the railway troops told me that new things were coming to them, but also scouts, paratroopers, signalmen. I would advise the author, before writing about something, to study the topic not from the words of bloggers and press services, but to talk live with the military, who are on "earth" - in the field, and not "in heaven" - in the headquarters of the Arbat military district )))
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 1 November 2019 07: 35
      +14
      Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
      Mostly foreign.

      Uryakly write about the increase in the number of domestic equipment! wink Where to see it, on construction sites and roads one import.
      I don’t know how in the railway troops, but a friend’s son is studying at a military school somewhere beyond the Urals — there is zero new equipment! Teach on junk.
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 1 November 2019 07: 47
        +2
        with schools it’s getting harder now. most of the money goes to those that open on a new one. and so the technique goes a little. in Kazan even started sending 90. according to the CVO, the numbers were small but there were. according to schools, b 3 10 pieces plus 2 t 90. tigers btr 82 were definitely. Engineering Tyumen received pits and tracklayers this year. The numbers are not very large, but schools do not need grand deliveries. there are more important things at the moment.
      2. Vitaly Tsymbal
        Vitaly Tsymbal 1 November 2019 07: 50
        0
        Dear Igor. Your answer is based on hearsay, not specific examples from personal interactions with the military. I didn’t "cry" from the fans of the press services. But, unfortunately, you noticed the word "foreign", not "slowly, but it is coming." The army is being updated with equipment and weapons, and, I repeat, this update is noticed not only by the generals in the headquarters))), but also by the junior command staff in military units. It is impossible to change everything at once, and not everything "old" in our army no longer meets the modern requirements of fighting. It's just that the information that we receive from the media is of an advertising nature; it is not advertising weapons and equipment in combat use, but goods for sale. But such are the times and customs today)))
    2. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 1 November 2019 07: 58
      -17
      Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
      Before writing about something, I would advise the author to study the topic not from the words of bloggers and press services, but to communicate live with the military who are on the "ground"

      What for? There are so many comments, and many authors support it. So, the author is in trend, well done, then the author yes good laughing
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 1 November 2019 08: 17
        +12
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        and many authors support

        Yes, because the author’s article has logic, unlike your comments. winked
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 1 November 2019 10: 04
          -11
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          the author’s article has logic

          And who argues with this? Of course - there is. And what it is peculiar - so we have this ... pluralism of opinions, here yes

          Quote: Ingvar 72
          unlike your comments

          You yourself answered once already:

          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Again, in the absence of a clear answer to the personality, we move on, Kitty?

          Why are you again? request

          Quote: Ingvar 72
          I am Kisa, created and grove ...

          ... and the fields, and the sky is blue ... Everything, everything you created ... Kitty wink

          "Ingvar", if you were not there, you would have to be invented good laughing
    3. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 1 November 2019 14: 32
      0
      Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
      Just a week ago, at the youth military-sports game "Eaglet" military railroad workers helped us. For the museum I need a couple of BAT-M trucks, I ask the major: "If they have BAT trucks? Answer:" No, we now have all the equipment (bulldozers, cranes, etc.) new, mostly foreign. And track layers and other railway systems are ours. " So there is a new technique. It is diverse and comes not only in the form of tanks, self-propelled guns and aircraft.
      A tank, BMP / BTR is not an indicator of renewal, this is only the side of the army’s renewal visible to non-specialists.

      He repelled his hands by clapping in ecstasy ... How interesting it is: military railway workers, major, players of the youth sports game ... And such names as PUTIN ... SHOIGU are telling you something? So they themselves (no one pulled the language) made other statements earlier and chose other priorities:
      The final version of the state arms program for 2018–2027 entered the Kremlin and may be signed by President Vladimir Putin already this week ... According to the document, 19 trillion rubles will be allocated for the rearmament of the army and navy.
      It is noted that priority items of expenditure will become nuclear containment systems, precision weapons и arms supplies и equipment for general forces.

      And here you are talking about bulldozers and cranes, and even focus on:
      And the tank, BMP / BTR is not an indicator of renewal, it is only the side of the renewal of the army that is visible to non-specialists.
      1. Vitaly Tsymbal
        Vitaly Tsymbal 1 November 2019 19: 53
        +3
        I lived under many rulers and defense ministers of the USSR and the Russian Federation and they all said the same thing ... What are you against the fact that we organize youth military sports games instead of extras in honor of the Heluins? Are you against the fact that the military (by the way, not only railway workers, but also paratroopers, the National Guard and the special forces of the Federal Penitentiary Service) help us in preparing young people for military service, and not participants in gay parades? Do you want to hear the "truth" about the army from people whose "combat experience" was gained during a computer game of tanks? Then yes - a normal life and normal affairs lead you into ecstasy, precisely into ecstasy, because you do not have other emotions (for example, joy, laughter or disappointment). So stop making yourself the smartest of the computer, and if you have brains, justify specifically why you do not agree with me. Although if you are from the category of "all-knowing" bloggers, then everything is clear with you - the main thing for you is your ecstasy !!!! Ecstasy further)))
  12. Bear040
    Bear040 1 November 2019 07: 27
    +7
    In order for Russia to see new equipment in the army, you need to get rid of the Chubais, Okulov and Volodin, at least ...
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 1 November 2019 08: 41
      -7
      Someone wrote in the 2019 year, when the problem of a new loading of plants was already looming in the Russian Federation, because the army was almost completely updated and she would not need new tanks with trucks for another 15-20. I goof with VO for a long time.
      1. Potato
        Potato 1 November 2019 09: 12
        +7
        Are the new tanks the old t72b? Ahahah. Dude, well, consider me a representative of our arms lobby)))

        And I’m also sure that the production of new weapons for the Russian Federation is a blessing — these are jobs with decent pay, and the demand for qualified technical personnel, and the sale of weapons abroad with all the ensuing economic and political bonuses. Well, does the Kalashnikov concern Kalash from warehouses sell like new oil? Sells for many years. All over the world, the product you need. You see - it’s not for nothing that they were riveted!))
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 1 November 2019 10: 21
          +3
          I understand that literacy is zero, but I’ll try to explain. T-72B with storage is not new. This is another category, even if it has 100 km of run.

          The production of weapons directly is profitable only if you sell it to someone outside the country, otherwise a tank is a pile of metal that can serve, if necessary, but most likely will only eat diesel fuel for years and spit expensive shells at training firing until it goes under decommissioning. And the money received by the workers who assembled the tank, these workers must spend on something else, there are skating rinks and a cannon of this tank and they will not be able to live in it.

          Sale of used or recovered equipment is not profit, it is cost minimization. It is rather strange to make a tank for a million, spend 2 million for operation, then sell it for 100000 somewhere in Africa, and see a profit in it. And Kalashnikov does not sell any assault rifles from storage, it supplies all the weapons to a new customer, who can already sell somewhere else.

          The idea of ​​producing weapons is not to make money on it, this is incidental if the foreign customer buys, but to protect the country.
          1. Potato
            Potato 1 November 2019 11: 45
            +7
            The American economy became the first in the world precisely due to the production and sale of weapons. It was not so long ago. The US military budget is a monster that does not think of shrinking, and this does not prevent the US from remaining the number one economy. What's the catch?
  13. abyssal
    abyssal 1 November 2019 07: 30
    +14
    The reports of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation are like reports from the Ministry of Industry on the localization of the production of foreign cars. It sounds beautiful, but in fact, localization includes salaries, heating, electricity, water and sewage, etc.
  14. Boris55
    Boris55 1 November 2019 08: 03
    -11
    Quote: R. Skomorokhov
    It is necessary to be more transparent, yet we live in the 21 century.

    At the end of the 20 century, we were so transparent that we still have not recovered. Are you bored?
    1. Potato
      Potato 1 November 2019 08: 40
      +12
      We were not transparent then. For their own people, they certainly weren’t. Do you know how gentlemen from Rosatom in the dashing 90s helped to reduce the reserves of tactical nuclear weapons throughout the Russian Federation? And I'm a little in the subject ... And this will be more important than new tanks. There are no more non-conventional shells for artillery, including rocket-propelled shells) there are no nuclear warheads for tactical missile systems either) since Soviet times, there were about 8-000 special munitions of this type for war with NATO. What time is it now? And nobody will tell you this)) but in vain. I would be much calmer if I knew that these weapons exist, and that from all NATO armies and their allies, even any most sudden and powerful attack will leave only dust. This cooled their heads at all times much stronger than the latest fighters or tanks.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 1 November 2019 08: 55
        -15
        Quote: Potato
        I would be much calmer if I knew that this weapon is,

        You can’t even imagine how calm our enemies would be if they knew all this.
        Are you by any chance a relative of Pavlik Morozov? laughing
        1. Potato
          Potato 1 November 2019 09: 07
          +11
          If the Americans knew that half of the ammunition of tactical missile systems is special ammunition, and any tornado, hurricane, or even any ammunition with a caliber of 152 mm or more can be heard with 50 Kt of greetings, then they would not be able to sleep soundly. They did not sleep.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 1 November 2019 09: 36
            -16
            Quote: Potato
            If the Americans knew that ...

            If you still do not understand, then Roman will try to provoke us with his articles, show off his knowledge for likes, and fetch information for official use and, if you're lucky, then secret information, and you will indulge him in every way i.e. you are an accomplice. If you are a citizen of Russia, do not fall for the tricks of our enemies.

            1. Potato
              Potato 1 November 2019 10: 31
              +7
              I do not have any secret information. Do not try to give seditious information as secret.
        2. Alf
          Alf 1 November 2019 21: 10
          -2
          Quote: Boris55
          Quote: Potato
          I would be much calmer if I knew that this weapon is,

          You can’t even imagine how calm our enemies would be if they knew all this.
          Are you by any chance a relative of Pavlik Morozov? laughing

          For some reason, we learned about the number and type of OUR equipment from the data of the FOREIGN press, in newspapers and magazines there were only signatures under the photo - "missile carrier", etc.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 2 November 2019 07: 40
            0
            Quote: Alf
            For some reason, we learned about the quantity and type of OUR technology from the data of the FOREIGN PRINT

            Previously, they sold their homeland: by conviction, for money, according to circumstances (this is when the causal places were squeezed in a vice). Today, the homeland is being sold for mythical pluses ... Where are we going.

            ps
            Intelligence receives most of the information from open sources, including and by creating similar sites.
            1. Alf
              Alf 2 November 2019 16: 16
              0
              Quote: Boris55
              Previously, they sold their homeland: by conviction, for money, according to circumstances (this is when the causal places were squeezed in a vice). Today, the homeland is being sold for mythical pluses ... Where are we going.

              And what are you talking about? Just a reminder of your existence?
              Quote: Boris55
              Intelligence receives most of the information from open sources, including and by creating similar sites.

              The TopVar website was created by the CIA .. Everything is clear with you. Otmazyvat Putin you get much better, I understand, not your profile.
      2. Alex t
        Alex t 1 November 2019 18: 15
        +2
        Do you know how gentlemen from Rosatom in the dashing 90s helped to reduce the reserves of tactical nuclear weapons throughout the Russian Federation? And I'm a little bit in the subject ...

        You go on a very thin ice comrade.
        Generally, information concerning the country's defense capability is a state secret. With all the consequences for disclosure. "Gentlemen from Rosatom" (and not only) did not go anywhere, but only grew up in positions, either "dragged" their own people there, or already live (have citizenship) in countries of potential opponents with their families and "over-earned". I'm afraid the situation could be much worse.
        Under the heading of state secrets, very dark deeds can be done with complete impunity. Theoretically, our country may already be left without nuclear weapons at all. I also do not believe the statements and "numbers" from the MO. Why, if we are deceived in everything, starting with the banal indicators of the inflation rate, average salary and life expectancy in the country (hereinafter just by the list), should I believe the Ministry of Defense and briefings with "cartoons" and missiles?
        The topic of defense is very slippery and fraught, so it’s better not to develop anything here, but just learn to think, read between the lines and compare what can be compared so far.
        Well, I am very worried about the investment and the state of affairs, for example, in Skolkovo. When I see the result of their work for 12 million and the result of a simple German guy who in his backyard collects a working version of the fact that at Skolkovo, for some reason, shamefully sticks his nose into a snowdrift. Or the robot "Olesha" and the robot Boston Dynamics.
        Think gentlemen. Think.
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  16. Potato
    Potato 1 November 2019 08: 31
    +16
    An article stating that the people do not have confidence in the peppy reports of the Defense Ministry on the rearmament of our army and navy. That such reports and big words from the lips of representatives of the Moscow Region - right up to the Minister of Defense - sound like fraud. Like Rosstat reports on the growth of the well-being of the people or the growth of life expectancy. Or the positive reports of any other ministries - such as internal affairs, education, medicine - about positive growth and development. Everything is just so perceived. And the people, for the most part, do not feel and see all this positive.
    1. Alex t
      Alex t 1 November 2019 18: 20
      -1
      Oh Potato, read on your komenty. It looks like we are working on the same wavelength good
  17. Air force
    Air force 1 November 2019 08: 35
    -6
    How to understand more transparently, in the 21st century we live? What kind of stupidity, where what costs, how many new weapons in which hangars and at what bases laughing offer a detailed quarterly report to the VO website, or you can send it to the Pentagon right away. These articles from the category all disappeared, etc. tired of it. You won’t ask the Americans they report? They have an audit every 15 years, and then formal. Compare the army of the Russian Federation and its indicators of the impact on the global political situation, say in 1998 and in 2019, here is the answer. But I already got this infantilism, take it out and put 1000 Armat to one, tell the others how many calibers and routes Yarsov draw in warehouses, and all this is desirable on the VO website, because the 21st century wassat and Roma wants to know, because Roma will sleep better from this information, but what will Roma write about then? Oh yes, he will write why you are putting everything openly, you haven’t heard about secrecy in the 21st century in the yard, ayah.
    1. Potato
      Potato 1 November 2019 08: 55
      +15
      Americans report on the supply of equipment to their army. According to F35, upgraded abrams or strikers - up to units. There is no secret to this.
      1. Air force
        Air force 1 November 2019 09: 25
        -10
        Go deep into the topic of reporting, I just do not want to search, they could not report to the audit for hundreds of billions of dollars, hundreds. And about the f35 itself, it's not funny for its development $ 1.5 trillion was spent. data from open sources. In general, not a single army will openly give full-fledged information about what they have and how much, they will not share their problems, not their achievements. This is a kindergarten, what are we talking about? For example, the Americans will take and lay out, we have 800 bases around the world, we spend so much on each, we plan to invade country X and open two bases in it, and one secret prison, the planned costs are 700 million dollars. Secret laboratories of biological weapons under the guise of laboratories for fighting viruses in the CIS countries 5 pcs. we spend so much on them, two more laboratories are opening next week, we will post a detailed report for the VO website. Further, for "Potato (Antokha)" we inform you that at the moment we are planning a maidan in country "Y" the planned costs are 5 billion dollars. etc. laughing So what?
        1. Potato
          Potato 1 November 2019 09: 45
          +13
          I will answer as in that anecdote about Comrade Stalin: "What are you, American?" how much they plundered from their own Pentagon is their personal grief. But by the number of new tanks and cannons, was it possible to report to the people? That militarists of the bourgeoisie are profiting from taxpayers' money is not news from the primeval times - even posters have survived from Soviet times. Why do we need this? We have a Defense Minister, after all, or an American huckster capitalist ?!
          1. Air force
            Air force 1 November 2019 10: 23
            -4
            The less information in open sources about new types of weapons, their quantity and deployment, the better. Well, they can't tell you that according to the plan there were 200 tanks, but in fact 70 because the money was spent on revising the Petrel or something else. Or, for example, they will report to you: we are now developing anti-satellite weapons "X", which completely nullifies the potential of the satellite grouping of a potential enemy, well, for this you will have to cut the Boomerang program and use the withdrawn funds to purchase the necessary materials from a NATO member country, because import substitution has not yet copes and we need to purchase the necessary materials in Germany. We need to be in time before the introduction of sectoral sanctions against us, which will hit program "X". And we will be able to independently release these materials only after 1.5 years. You are happy to have reported to you, and a week later they imposed sanctions on the supply of these materials. That's all for 1.5 years, the program slowed down, and taking into account the tests, it was 5 years behind. And all because the people want to know, but not only the people of Russia learn too much, but also the people of other countries. P / S Of course, this does not mean that you do not need reports, you just don’t need to bend it.
            1. Revival
              Revival 1 November 2019 15: 20
              +10
              You specifically, don’t understand?
              They write to you that, for example, in the United States they report the exact number of tanks, fighters and do not make a secret out of this.
              They don’t write to you that they report online about secret research or development, plans, etc.
              And in response, you distort and interfere all in one, such as let's report on where exactly it stands and so on.
              Knowingly apply the trick "bring to the point of absurdity."
              The article raises the problem of the fact that everything is called for us as a percentage, it is not known what, which clearly indicates that it boasts something and nothing special.
              There is no fulfillment of the promised, and if specific numbers are given, then suddenly it will become obvious. So they spend for "interest in a vacuum".
              All terms "right, right, right" ...
    2. Bear040
      Bear040 1 November 2019 09: 32
      +14
      Yes, there is no need for deployment details, just fraud does not need to be spent on stealing the military budget, otherwise it will end like in 1904 with Japan ... There, the minister received the prince Klush-Tsushima and was forced to flee Russia, because the people on the streets became rotten throw tomatoes and stones ... Do you think today the people will forgive the government, the ruling party, Putin's close associates and personally defeat in the war, if this happens, and sending guys to the front on antique Soviet tanks, which will lead to enormous losses and a natural ending not in favor of Russia ?! Especially after the fables on TV about allegedly getting up from your knees, the revival of the army and industry ... No, he will not forgive the new revolution, where those who today eat a lot and eat deliciously at someone else's expense will be put to the wall, one can predict without being Wang ... So that you laugh in vain, you need to cry here ... but laughter for no reason, a sign you yourself know why ...
      1. Air force
        Air force 1 November 2019 09: 47
        -7
        You in YouTube or in a search engine drive in who the "double basses" were during the Chechen campaign, the 1st or 2nd without a difference. And there you will have a lot of documentary videos about the state of the Russian army at that time. It was quite recently. And then compare the current situation. And after that, think carefully about who is doing eyewash and also think about getting up from your knees. P / S remind me how many factories in the USA are producing new tanks and what year of development they are. Only not modernized, but new ones.
        1. Bear040
          Bear040 1 November 2019 09: 54
          +14
          You don’t tell me about what was there, I was there and I know how, after heavy losses in the tank units, not through the fault of the tankmen, but through the fault of those who sent them there to the old, without dynamic protection, or with empty boxes from that, instead of tanks they began to use BMP-3, for fire support, the benefit of the 100 mm gun was that it allowed, but replacing it with new 57mm BMPs with your pseudo-effective managers who themselves won’t go to war will still come back with bloody tears ... The fact that instead of BMPs they used MT-LB, I know without you that the Cossack battalion named after Yermolov who knocked out the barmaley from the Minutka Square didn’t have a single BMP at all, only these MOTO ROGS ... As for rising from their knees, VASO's locksmiths are offered salaries of 11350 - 15000 rubles a month ... Is this your rising from your knees ?! And for me, only fascists can offer such salaries in the Russian Federation today, since today you can only live on that kind of money as a prisoner of Hitler’s concentration camps and this certainly will not give young people the production or revival ...
  18. BAI
    BAI 1 November 2019 08: 48
    +2
    more than 2,3 thousand units of new and modernized equipment. ”



    Let's define the terminology.

    With terminology, you must immediately determine.
    A warship is a unit of military equipment? Unit. What about the gun? How to count it? Included in 2300 or not?
    1. Galleon
      Galleon 1 November 2019 09: 58
      +5
      A pistol is a weapon of the category "personal weapon". Not included in 2300. The article is about technology, not weapons.
  19. EvilLion
    EvilLion 1 November 2019 08: 50
    -3
    It is interesting, but how does the author relate to the fact that the entire Afghan war was conquered in the scrap metal of the internal military district, and only the epic feils of various systems, in particular the BMP-1 and BTR-70, could force them to transfer something from Germany?

    Yes, and no army can be equipped with new equipment at 100%, even the Red Army in the 1943 was not like this, although the update went at an unheard of pace. But in the 1945-th Japanese went to beat, including on the old BT. It’s simply economically unrealistic, there are always training parts, and parts of the second, or even the third tier.

    As for the Air Force, there is almost nothing left of the Soviet reserve, and the plane is not a tank, a worn-out tank will simply stand up, in peacetime it’s not so bad, and the plane crumbling in the air from metal fatigue is an irrevocable loss. Therefore, the first planes and trucks were updated, the planes are the most important and safety is required, the trucks just roll away faster than tanks.
    1. Potato
      Potato 1 November 2019 09: 01
      +4
      The Afghan war is a shameful page in Soviet history, primarily because of the indecision and mental impotence of Soviet politicians of the late period, the lack of a clear plan, strategy, and also because of a shift in focus to the undercover fight within the country. All this led to monstrous consequences.

      The BMP1 fails in guerrilla battles have nothing to do with it.
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 1 November 2019 09: 07
        -2
        Well, at least you don’t deny the feil and speedy delivery of the BMP-2 from Germany.
        1. Potato
          Potato 1 November 2019 09: 17
          +3
          In a guerrilla warfare in the mountains of Afghanistan, a fmp would also be with bmp3. And bmp 4. And bmp5 with ravings and strikers))) in ravings and the like sheds for flat terrain - the feil would be even worse. Because RPG7 of Chinese production destroys any BMP with a guarantee. So what?
      2. Alex t
        Alex t 1 November 2019 18: 37
        +6
        Let me disagree about the shame. Shame on the politicians who leaked the practically won war. And no matter how cynical it sounds, the losses of the SA in Afghanistan were far from critical. According to all available data, it turns out about a little over a thousand people a year "combat".
        Eh, to count how many people in the 90s and 00s from the Afghan gerych was stuck and was not born. This will be a "number" ...
    2. Bear040
      Bear040 1 November 2019 09: 36
      +9
      Not a single old BT in 1945 even reached the front with Japan, everyone went out of order for technical reasons, except for the latest BT-7M (aka BT-8) which had the same diesel engine as the T-34, here only they were released a little, and until 1945 they lived out even less ... So if not then the new equipment were the basis of the army, they would have merged everything that is possible and impossible ...
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 1 November 2019 10: 24
        -2
        It’s not a matter of merging, the fact is that there was still pre-war trash in the Far East, and it was probably more profitable to use it against such a weak enemy than to completely replace it with T-34-85.
  20. Diverter
    Diverter 1 November 2019 09: 49
    -3
    The article is raw and too emotional. You need to understand that since the 1990s, the collapse and decline began in the army. There were practically no supplies of equipment. After 080808 it dawned on everyone that it wasn’t so. At least some kind of movement began on the real modernization of the army. An example of Su24 / Su34 is indicative for everyone I think. And further. personal Wishlist and here I would have to restrain and think about the capabilities and capabilities of the military-industrial complex, the availability of money in your pocket, the availability of trained personnel, etc., etc.
  21. Local from the Volga
    Local from the Volga 1 November 2019 09: 55
    -10
    author -> author -> author, have you ever been in the army ever ?! I doubt, otherwise I would not write such an illiterate nonsense! I wish I talked with acting officers ... Now there are not enough people for new equipment, and not vice versa! But, the Chukchi is not a reader ....
  22. Xenofont
    Xenofont 1 November 2019 10: 22
    +6
    Here I can’t understand: to make a hundred Su-34 and calm down. In the event of a serious conflict, the production of new equipment is not possible due to its complexity and problems with the logistics of many contractors. Fortunately, there are tanks in storage of clouds, and aviation does not have such reserves. Better to do so and put in storage than to justify the absence of a real threat.
  23. Lexus
    Lexus 1 November 2019 10: 22
    +4
    Where to find 64% upgrade of the Russian army?

    On the paper. And in the "rainbow" reports of the "top officials". In fact, everything is either repaired Soviet, or from the reserve, if they did not have time to ditch. Really new - "raw" minuscule. Even "Sarmat", upon close examination, for some reason does not differ from the "Voevoda" 30 years ago.
  24. Million
    Million 1 November 2019 11: 15
    +4
    And ZIL 157 is still present in the troops?
  25. Radikal
    Radikal 1 November 2019 11: 26
    +1
    Yes, there is talk of promising contracts for additional attack helicopters Ka-52 ...
    This is the question of promising contracts - -https: //zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5a2892308c8be38ba94dec0e/alligator-uje-nikuda-ne-letit-5db8f4c495aa9f00b15640c7
  26. solovald
    solovald 1 November 2019 11: 31
    +3
    Statistics, this is such a thing ... you can average, smooth, blur everything. It seems that there is no doubt only the development process itself ... 1,5 trillion. rub.
  27. Radikal
    Radikal 1 November 2019 11: 32
    +4
    Quote: Vadim Golubkov
    I also served after training in the 1st Guards Tank Army in a motorized rifle regiment, and we mostly had new and modern equipment for the T-80 tankers. True, this is the GBV.

    And when was that? In the days of the Union? sad
    1. Alex t
      Alex t 1 November 2019 18: 39
      0
      And when else did we have the GSVG, dragging the colonel? lol
  28. Radikal
    Radikal 1 November 2019 11: 33
    +1
    Quote: Local from the Volga
    author -> author -> author -> author , have you ever been in the army ?! I doubt it, otherwise I would not have written such an illiterate nonsense! If only I could talk to the officers in force ... Now there are not enough people for new equipment, and not vice versa! But the Chukchi is not a reader ...

    Why not enough? belay winked wassat
  29. ShM05
    ShM05 1 November 2019 11: 41
    +10
    Open the star channel, there are video materials from all the exercises that take place outside Russia, 90% of the arms of the ground forces are t-72 and BMP 2, from the new one there are only KamAZ and Urals, all these percent of rearmament is the same as the average salary in Russia. Things are less or less good in the re-equipment of air defense and in aviation, I am silent about the fleet, in general, do not believe the numbers
    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 1 November 2019 12: 26
      -5
      and t72 can not be new? they are being modernized at high speed
  30. 7,62x54
    7,62x54 1 November 2019 12: 26
    +13
    What Kuzhuketovich learned in the Ministry of Emergencies is to blur his eyes with good reports. Sun manage, it’s not for you to go picking mushrooms in the taiga
  31. Bar2
    Bar2 1 November 2019 12: 27
    +13
    Quote: Sergey1987
    Quote: Bar2
    The army of Putin's Russia has been fighting on Soviet technology, although 30 years have passed, and the people, as usual, are fed statements by responsible persons.

    Do not carry nonsense. Tigers, Lynxes, T-72B3, T-90, Su-34, Su-30, Su-35, Ka-52, Mi-28N, Buyany-M and a bunch of others were created under Putin Russia.


    - Yes, the tiger was created during Putin's time, but I remember beautifully how the Tiger was not allowed and poisoned by Minister Serdyukov, how these Iveks were bought — that is, all the forces that Putin supported the Italian auto industry and our spreads. Was it or wasn’t it?
    -Rys is iveko, I remember it very well, but you generally lost the coast.
    -T72b3 is a tank developed in the USSR, with thin armor. Night vision devices are French, engines you won’t understand whether 1000l.s. , or 1130 hp In short, this tank DOES NOT MEET the 21st century.
    -T90 tank is a modification of the T72-Soviet design, which was created not with support, but contrary to India, and not to Russia. And if it weren’t for India there would have been neither a T90 nor a Uralvagonzavod at all. What is the merit of the Putin government in creating the T90? None.
    -Su-34 was designed and first released during the USSR. And where does Putin?
    -Su -30 is a modification of Su27, i.e. all Soviet ideas.
    -Su35 is a modification of Su27 again, all the ideas are Soviet.http: //forums.airforce.ru/matchast/6307-su-35-istoriya-serii/
    -Ka-52 and Mi28 are all Soviet developments and ideas of Soviet designers and engineers, uncle.
  32. Bar2
    Bar2 1 November 2019 12: 31
    +4
    Quote: Aron Zaavi
    The US Army is fighting on the namesake of Reagan and is doing quite well.

    we are talking about the Putin’s army of Russia, and about the American one, however, the fact that lies is going through the roof here and there, says that dishonest people rule everywhere.
  33. Fitter65
    Fitter65 1 November 2019 12: 50
    +4
    A new technique is one that has not been in use. I translate: UAZ-469, which was removed from conservation and sent to the N-th regiment - this is the supply of new equipment.
    Ha, and a couple more times haha. Yes, my friend, you have not seen the receipt of new equipment in the troops hi Back in 1996, if I am not mistaken, a theft took place at the NZ equipment warehouse, at the Khurba airfield. The soldiers who were guarding this warehouse, out of quiet sadness, removed everything they could from the equipment. Well, of course, it was revealed, and the commission to which I was a member and I described this technique, among other things, there were 4 R-140D (even the first series) based on the ZIL-157. This is the introduction, and now the cherry on top. When Dmitry Medvedev was president, he spoke there at some meeting and said that ... "digital communication systems will be put into operation" ... And now a week later, after this speech, TADAM (these are timpani), in the communications battalion, located at the Khurba airfield, received a new "digital communications technology", the very same R-140D, about which I wrote above. And you say removed from conservation laughing good
  34. Usher
    Usher 1 November 2019 13: 24
    -8
    Moscow was not built in a day.
  35. Alik lebedev
    Alik lebedev 1 November 2019 13: 35
    -3
    No, he just mixed up the budget of the USA and Russia. :)
  36. Lapunevsky
    Lapunevsky 1 November 2019 13: 41
    -9
    I am a vicious critic of uryakolki from the Russian Ministry of Defense, but in this case the author goes too far. Messages like "a batch of new (or modernized) pieces of equipment have arrived in such a district or such an airbase" are periodically enough in the media. And these are true messages. And about "how much, what and where - so no one has canceled secrecy in the military structures. Otherwise, the CIA will have nothing to do, except once again destroy the same barmaley leader of terrorists. In Soviet times, as I understand it, for a similar information and time could be given.
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  38. MrFox
    MrFox 1 November 2019 15: 46
    +5
    From the public procurement portal:
    Supply of radar landing system RSP-10MN-1 for the needs of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. The price is 97 rubles.

    RSP-10MN is a tube landing locator of the 60s.
    1. Servisinzhener
      Servisinzhener 6 November 2019 10: 14
      0
      RSP-10MN

      RSP-10MN-1

      In my opinion, there is a difference between RSP-10MN and RSP-10MN-1.
      1. MrFox
        MrFox 6 November 2019 14: 07
        0
        There is a difference. But where does the Ukrainian locator?
        1. Servisinzhener
          Servisinzhener 7 November 2019 12: 31
          0
          Why is he Ukrainian? As far as I know, RSP-10MN-1 was supplied by the Iserbash Radio Plant under this contract.
          1. MrFox
            MrFox 8 November 2019 07: 56
            +1
            The second photo most likely shows the modernization of the RSP-10MN, which was made by the Ukrainian "Aerotechnika", other frequency ranges and NATO state recognition.

            IRZ was engaged only in repairs, now the plant is bankrupt.

            Modernization could be performed only by CRZ and only for display facilities as in the photo. The main path remained tube
  39. 1970mk
    1970mk 1 November 2019 15: 56
    0
    Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
    began to upgrade the T-80BV to the T-80BVM version, which suggests the maximum possible unification with the modernized T-72B3 tank

    Sorry THIS is different tanks ...... what kind of unification is there ....
  40. cdrt
    cdrt 1 November 2019 16: 21
    -2
    Someone read that the percentage can be considered in different ways and could not help but roll the text on this amazing occasion.
    This is where the value of the article ends.
  41. Geo⁣
    Geo⁣ 1 November 2019 17: 08
    +4
    1,5 trillion rubles

    70% and even more, according to Shoigu, is aimed specifically at the purchase of modern weapons and equipment

    A trillion with copecks for weapons and equipment. This is only 2 regiments of the SU-57, not a full complement.
    Correct me if I am wrong.
  42. internal enemy
    internal enemy 1 November 2019 17: 12
    +6
    Yes, the correct article, they write about the fleet every year, they put 20-30 units, and in fact tugboats, support vessels, a bunch of repaired and in fact several warships and boats, and this new ship immediately goes around the world, then repairs again
  43. Geo⁣
    Geo⁣ 1 November 2019 17: 41
    +3
    Why exactly the 20th combined arms?

    The 20th combined-arms "legal successor" of the 4th tank army, which, according to Zhukov's memoirs (if my memory serves me in turn), was sadly called the four-tank army near Stalingrad in 42nd. But then there was a war, and one of its main crisis moments, but now? And now, in a consumer society, when pilots want salaries like in civil aviation, when the families of officers and contract servicemen want to live and not survive, when everything is measured in rubles and even more so when every would-be manager, as close to the financial flow, trying to take a sip of him - Russia cannot afford an army. Terrible but understandable thought. And until the Soviet legacy is over (and there is no need to shout that it ended long ago), we must do something, and not follow the path of the states and to which we simply do not have money
  44. Armata T-14
    Armata T-14 1 November 2019 18: 47
    -1
    Modern weapons - one that matches or surpasses the best world counterparts. This is the terminology of MO. The second point - the percentage of modern models is considered only in parts of constant combat readiness - these are the most combat-ready segments of the Armed Forces, there are about a third (~ 300 thousand) of the total number of armed forces (~ 1 million 70 thousand). Here, among 300k, at 70% they are equipped with one of the best in the world, or the best military equipment. Those. 200k elite fighters. This is a lot - most likely the most in the world. This is enough for a regional conventional war. The remaining 700-800k troops are equipped with less outstanding equipment - this is more of a reserve, albeit an active one. If there is a situation that 200-300k of elite fighters will not be enough, then most likely, tactical nuclear weapons will be used, because spending less combat-ready parts is irrational. But I do not know the strength for which 200-300k aircraft would not be enough with almost all components the best equipment in the world and the highest coordination and experience. Those of the United States have newness and combat readiness much lower than ours. Hope answered your questions
  45. serge siberian
    serge siberian 1 November 2019 19: 16
    +1
    I read at VO, they are targeting the T-80 in the Arctic. Yes, local craftsmen were reduced in Omsk (100 thousand rubles s / n was). And from other cities they brought for 80 to work. Almost 70 cars a month were made there. Order. I would like to so that such information is true. bully
  46. Eugene (Eugene)
    Eugene (Eugene) 1 November 2019 19: 22
    -1
    Roman, I think that there is some truth in your article. soldier
  47. at84432384
    at84432384 1 November 2019 19: 26
    +2
    It cannot be otherwise, if the socio-economic system of the country is sick, then there are no separate "oases". And what country’s defense will be taken care of by people whose families and accounts are in the West ?! The question, of course, is rhetorical ...
  48. aiden
    aiden 2 November 2019 00: 57
    0
    The author had to come to Budennovsk and look at least at the former 487 air regiment. There he would have seen these 64. Only su-25cm3 flies out of junk, and that is because he has no replacement. Anyway, let him look at the 58th army. And he’s also a tanker, like many commentators here. In my opinion, more emphasis is placed on aviation than on tanks. Its fighting ability is proven in Syria.
    1. Tamer
      Tamer 8 November 2019 22: 15
      0
      Quote: aiden
      In my opinion, more emphasis is placed on aviation than on tanks. Its fighting ability is proven in Syria.

      Proven in the complete absence of anti-aircraft defense?
  49. Radikal
    Radikal 2 November 2019 01: 49
    0
    Quote: Alex T
    And when else did we have the GSVG, dragging the colonel? lol

    Probably at the same time when there were SGV, YuGV, and TsGV, right? wink hi
  50. Brigadier
    Brigadier 2 November 2019 19: 34
    +2
    Everything, in which case, will be like June 22 ...
    The Germans mostly have T-3, T-4, Ganomagi, and we have cavalry, or BT-7 at best ...
    Again we will save the country solely due to exclusively soldier heroism?
    Or maybe Putin hopes that there will be no war in his reign, and how will God send there?

    As my grandmother would say: "Stalin is not on you!"