NASA has requested additional seats on Russian Soyuz on 2020-2021

The US National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) requested Roscosmos additional space on Soyuz spacecraft for its astronauts in 2020 and 2021. This was announced by the general director of the state corporation Dmitry Rogozin.

The head of NASA Brydenstein sent a letter to Roscosmos asking for additional seats on the Russian Soyuz in the 2020-2021 years due to delays in the program of building American ships to deliver astronauts to the ISS. According to Rogozin, this violates Roscosmos’s plans for a set of tests and experiments aboard the ISS, so a decision was made to allocate funds for the construction of two additional Soyuz spacecraft.

I received (...) a Brydenstein letter in which he refers to a certain situation related to the delay of commercial ships for the delivery of American crews to the ISS. Tests of American commercial ships will be completed no earlier than 2021 year. We will have to sacrifice something by reducing our crew to provide space for our American colleagues

- he said.

In early October, the head of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), James Brydenstein, said the United States did not intend to refuse to cooperate with Roscosmos to deliver astronauts to the ISS, despite the fact that “you have to pay for every place.”

Recall that in the framework of the program for the resumption of manned flights in the United States, new manned spacecraft have been developed: Crew Dragon by SpaceX and Starliner by Boeing. After conducting unmanned and manned flights to the ISS, they are expected to be certified by NASA and further used to deliver astronauts into orbit. While it is not known which ship it will be - Crew Dragon or Starliner, clarity will come only on the results of test flights.

Earlier in the United States, it was announced that the first manned flight of American astronauts on their own ship is planned for the 2020 year.

Comments

[Operator]

"due to delays in the US spacecraft construction program to deliver astronauts to the ISS"- shaw, again?

[Bar2]

it is necessary to impose sanctions on amers and others not ours in places in unions, then the ISS turns into a salute 8 or mir2, or maybe Diamond is better?

[Operator]

Quote: Bar2

need sanctions on amers and others not ours to enter

[maxim947]

Following the Americans from the union, having shown democratic solidarity, Europeans refused, I wonder how they will now get out?))))

[Roman070280]

And you better read the article .. and find out ..

We will have to sacrifice something by reducing our crew to provide seats to our American colleagues

There is a question - how will we get out .. for Americans will fly with Europeans ..))

[maxim947]

I originally read the article well, so enlighten the wise guy, where is the clarity in this quote?

[Roman070280]

how will they get out now?

Assuming in advance that there may be blind people on the forum, I highlighted the answer to this question with a bolt in a quote from Rogozin ..
I would know in advance that everything is so bad - I would also include caps for you ..

[keeper03]

Give trampolines to Americans !!!

[210ox]

Don't give a damn. What's with the Federation?

[Greg Miller]

Quote: 210ox

Don't give a damn. What's with the Federation?

The money is being spent on the "Federation" according to the plan ...

[maxim947]

Don't give a damn. What's with the Federation?

The Federation is gone, now it's called the Eagle

[x.andvlad]

Who would doubt that!
In my comment of October 4 on this topic:
USA refuse flights to ISS on Soyuz
... Thus, there will be no place to place an American on this ship (peremptorily affirmed by us)
If the Americans change their minds and pay, then I guess that there is a place ... Just ours will not fly, and that’s it ...
But someone "minus" me, although ugh at him ...

[slipped]

Quote: x.andvlad

Just our one will not fly, and all ...

Just one Japanese will not fly

[Mityay65]

Quote: x.andvlad

USA refuse flights to ISS on Soyuz
... Thus, there will be no place to place an American on this ship (peremptorily affirmed by us)
If the Americans change their minds and pay, then I guess that there is a place ... Just ours will not fly, and that’s it ...

We see you are a great specialist in the sale of seats in the Union, if you constantly post on this topic. I hope they are read in Roskosmos.
Judging by what has been heard and announced earlier, 2 ships a year are built by Roscosmos for 20 years for their needs (2 starts a year, 6 astronauts), their program is planned and all places are occupied there. This is just stated so that the Yankees, if they decide to fly to the Unions before the end of the test of their ships, pay money for an entire ship in 3 places. Not 1 - 2 places per year, but at least one ship per year, one in 20 and one in 21. Total 6 * 82 = 492 mil. for 2 years. That's for the sake of this figure and all statements are made, the Yankees would certainly prefer to buy 3-4 places and that's it.
The fact that they will continue to fly further on the Unions became clear in May, when CrewDragon exploded during the tests. The Boeing Starliner is not ready yet, and the CrewDragon may even go the distance. And in fact, negotiations on additional places began the day after the explosion. Because people are serious.
In addition, the test cycle of the new ship, at best, will take three years and several flights. I think that until the age of 25-26, the Yankees will fly to the Unions. Or it will be like with shuttles, killing 14 people in total.
The Union is manufactured from scratch in a year and a half, but this period is calculated according to the longest supply of a specific component by the subcontractor. In reality, in the factory reserve for Energy and for allied suppliers there are semi-finished products of varying degrees of readiness, so 1,5 years will not be needed. If without storming, then in 7-8 months they will completely manage with the tests.
With the carrier, too, I do not see any particular strains.
Therefore, idle talk that someone has pressed someone is completely meaningless.
In the American blogosphere, by the way, the figure of 82 million is actively discussed. Two dominant opinions: 1. We pay too much to Russians, we must crush them at a price, because we are smart and good. 2. Neither Boeing nor SpaceX can reduce this figure for NASA.

[Roman070280]

Therefore, idle talk that someone has pressed someone is completely meaningless.

You can see you are a great specialist in the sale of seats in the Union

I received (...) a Brydenstein letter ... We will have to sacrifice something by reducing our crew to provide seats to our American colleagues

- said Rogozin ...

[Mityay65]

Quote: Roman070280

We will have to sacrifice something by reducing our crew to provide space for our American colleagues
- said Rogozin ...

Right. The old rogue dramatizes the situation, describing the moral suffering associated with the provision of Yankee seats in the Union. He will somehow declare that he was forced to sell the apartment, if only to help the dear Yankees attend the ISS constantly ...
Let them try and earn. Need money.

[Roman070280]

Let them try and earn. Money Need.

The old rogue very skillfully fooled everyone ..
We won’t see the money anyway .. but we are losing ground in space again ..
For if an American flies instead of ours ..
And after 5 years no one will fly with us at all .. But .. but we’ll make money .. we need them .. For apartments, as you said ..

[slipped]

Quote: Roman070280

And after 5 years no one will fly at all with us .. But .. but we’ll make money .. we need them ..

You did not understand. We wrote above that if our alone does not fly next fall, then two years later our six will fly on two ships that we should buy for the launch of our astronauts that we did not plan for, the Americans. Moreover, these ships have already begun to build.

[lwxx]

Yes, everything is fine there with the Americans- A man gave a word, a man took a word ... And moreover, not only in space, but also in Syria

[persei]

he is the master of his word

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Operator

- shaw, again?

Again, again! "Don't say gop without jumping over."

[RUSS]

Quote: Operator

"due to delays in the US spacecraft construction program to deliver astronauts to the ISS"- shaw, again?

It was about additional places, and in the spring of 2019 it was agreed that NASA astronauts and Roscosmos cosmonauts, after the launch of the US manned program, will fly to the ISS both on Russian Soyuz and on new American ships.

Dmitry Rogozin, head of Roscosmos: “We agreed with NASA that we will maintain the agreements and principles of interaction, according to which astronauts continue to fly on Soyuz spacecraft, and we will fly on American ships.”

Earlier, Sergey Krikalev, Executive Director for Roscosmos manned programs, noted that American ships, which will deliver crews to the ISS along with Soyuz, will ensure duplication and increase the reliability of the ISS.

[Roman070280]

We will have to sacrifice something by reducing our crew to provide seats to our American colleagues

Well, actually, exactly what was originally understood ..
This is called a bad mine with a good game ..
Some more. months ago. NASA type refused to submit an application, but still does not have its own ships .... and Roscosmos type said afterwards that they did not begin to build ships for amers ..
But it wasn’t clear to Dyrap that the Americans would somehow somehow fly ... since they don’t have their own, they would fly on our own ... Instead of us !!
And Rogozin just plays this guy ... as if for him this is unexpected news ...

[Letun]

Quote: Roman070280

And Rogozin just plays this guy ...

No, he doesn’t play him

[Skay]

We will have to sacrifice something by reducing our crew to provide space for our American colleagues

I don't understand this. Build additional Unions and rejoice!

[asv363]

The new Unions are tied to production and assembly, it is necessary to banish all this through the public procurement system. It is not known if the 2020 production plan has the ability to add new missiles. We should have sent these Americans (politely) if they now have to reduce the number of flights of our astronauts. How much can you bend under the USA, the enemy of Russia?

[kapitan92]

Quote: Skay

We will have to sacrifice something by reducing our crew to provide space for our American colleagues

I don't understand this. Build additional Unions and rejoice!

The current contract for $ 490 million involved six rounds of flights - to the ISS and back. Over the past three years, the United States has paid Russia nearly $ 1 billion ($ 935 million) for the delivery of astronauts to the ISS. At the same time, the price for one seat in the "Union" for the Americans was constantly growing. In 2008, it cost Americans $ 21,8 million, and in 2018 - already $ 82 million. Over 10 years, the price has almost quadrupled.

Everything is correct! Issue an invoice, get money, build Unions and send mattresses into space.

[asv363]

Russian missions to the ISS will "press down" to help the Americans, Rogozin said
https://ria.ru/20191031/1560433736.html

MOSCOW, October 31 - RIA Novosti. Roskosmos will donate part of the scientific program and reduce the number of its cosmonauts in the ISS crew in order to provide seats on the Soyuz for American astronauts, said in Friday Head of State Corporation Dmitry Rogozin to reporters.

It turns out that journalists today are Friday, not Thursday.

[slipped]

Quote: kapitan92

Everything is correct! Issue an invoice, get money, build Unions and send mattresses into space.

Wrong. They needed to prepare the sled in advance. We not only carry Americans and others to the ISS for money, we also do scientific work at the station, according to the domestic program, we will have a new module coming next year, but just for it our cosmonauts might not be enough.

[kapitan92]

Quote: slipped

we have the arrival of a new module next year, but just for him our cosmonauts may not be enough.

We may not have enough money for our astronauts and the new module, but for the launch of the mattress, take 80 million bucks each, this
And "Dimon" has nothing for us !!!

[Avior]

They will do so.
He's just flirting.

[Jerk]

Something they do not believe in their great Mask ... Maybe instead of places in the Unions, they will be bulked in NASA instead of places in the Union - they will quickly explain to them what is what?
By the way, but they were going to fly dragons in November))) Do elves not grow together with dragons? Well, let them fly on dragonflies. dragonflies ...

[sir.jonn]

Quote: Jerk

dragonflies ...

That's for sure!

[ℳy ℒiƒℯ]

Something they do not believe in their great Mask

Look, do not fall from the chair with joy.

[stalki]

Something they do not believe in their great Mask

Look, do not fall from the chair with joy.

Or maybe he sits on the floor in a lotus position. then only take off in levitation to envy you.

[Pavel57]

So laughed, so laughed that she fell off the couch. (WITH)

[voyaka uh]

Mask has its own engines, its own missiles, its customers - the world's largest mobile operators. He is independent. NASA for him is a prestigious part-time job.
But for ULA (Boeing + Lockheed) NASA is the main space feeder. And they are hedged by Russian engines.

[Jerk]

Quote: voyaka uh

He is independent.

Especially from NASA. True, NASA is leading this program, and Musk is the vice chairman there. Oh no, he's a great rocket builder! I studied building rockets at the business faculty in South Africa. Or in Canada? There is also a powerful school of rocket designers ...

[Chit]

I don’t know where Musk studied.
I know that Musk made a heavy rocket, which Russia has no analogue to.

[Jerk]

With which the customer - NASA sent the mask to the butterfly farm to catch? That's for sure, a rocket that has no analogues - there is no such rocket anymore. which can only recycle cars

[Tommy]

Quote: Chit

I don’t know where Musk studied.
I know that Musk made a heavy rocket, which Russia has no analogue to.

Chit, does Ilon Musk design the rockets he makes himself? All this is done by a team of designers. Elon Musk only pays for work and components and so on ... And do not spit on Russia and write nonsense. The Rocket Mask is still far from the rockets: Energy and Saturn-5 in terms of carrying capacity.

[loki565]

Musk is a NASA partial privatization project

[voyaka uh]

Therefore, NASA rots the Mask and puts sticks in its wheels, where can it?
If NASA had not been inhibited by its wild bureaucracy, then its private astronauts would have long been drinking beer with Russian astronauts on the ISS.
Spitting on NASA.

[loki565]

Yes, yes, so spread rot that she gave the starting tables for free and concludes billions of contracts)))

[voyaka uh]

She entered into contracts when Musk began suing them. NASA and the Pentagon all gave the beloved Boeing with its lobby. Musk sued and won.

[KCA]

At the end of the USSR, it was so fashionable to do so — the director of the plant organized a cooperative where he became director, or appointed some kind of Mask, and on the plant’s territory, on the plant’s equipment, factory workers produced commercial products from the plant’s raw materials, workers received a small increase in wages, well and the director (owner) is a very big increase

[Alexey LK]

There, as I understand it, a slightly different earning scheme is through issuing and dispersing the value of X-Space shares. More effective. In this, Musk, yes, is successful, perhaps. His stocks plow the vast expanses of Wall Street ...

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: Alexey LK

There, as I understand it, a slightly different earning scheme is through issuing and dispersing the value of X-Space shares. More effective. In this, Musk, yes, is successful, perhaps. His stocks plow the vast expanses of Wall Street ...

You understand poorly, SpaceX has not yet entered an IPO, that is, it has not yet been traded on stock exchanges.

[Alexey LK]

Well, albeit SpaceX is not on the stock exchange yet, but were there any placements among investors? But other shares to them. Mask (Tesla) is very much traded on the stock exchange.

[Aleksandr21]

Yes, investors got a share of their shares, but it’s premature to say that Musk earns money through the placement and dispersal of his shares, then they will go for an IPO then the money will flow to SpaceX ... but for now Musk earns money from orders from private owners, NASA, the Pentagon, etc. .d and moreover, very successfully. No matter how much we laugh at Mask and call him a charlatan, a scammer, etc., but he knows his business, missiles fly, orders are taken, and in general the company earns.

[Alexey LK]

Well, after the IPO, money "flows like a river" not to the company, but to investors (although, of course, some of the shares may be on the balance sheet of the company itself - but this is already a "deviation", because why was it necessary to attract investors' money for development in order to buy their own promotions?). And not so much Musk himself earns on promotions, as those behind him, he is only a face (albeit an important one), a cover. And rockets, of course, fly, but how much they actually earn is a big secret, because in this industry it is one thing to recoup "hardware", but recouping R&D is quite another! There are great suspicions that the price being set only pays for the cost of the actual rocket manufacturing and launch, and even then not always. And by the way, if you go to an IPO, then some of the financial information will still have to be disclosed ...

[Boomandroid]

NASA had the same feeling when it ran out, and it crap ... Yes, and it was clear right away

[Igor Borisov_2]

The United States does not intend to refuse to cooperate with Roscosmos for the delivery of astronauts to the ISS, despite the fact that "you have to pay for each place"

If they are having delays in the construction of their spaceships, then why "We will have to sacrifice something by reducing our crew to provide space for our American colleagues"??? Means to double the fee for each place ........

[vvvjak]

Quote: Igor Borisov_2

It means to double the fee for each place ........

Take seats according to the tickets purchased

[Masha]

Quote: vvvjak

Take seats according to the tickets purchased

only standing places remained ...

[vvvjak]

Quote: Masha

only standing places remained.

Well then "do not crowd in the aisle, go to the drive"

[Jerk]

Quote: Skay

I don't understand this. Build additional Unions and rejoice!

There is such a thing that a very big question. who needs it. According to rumors. Only ours is carrying out routine maintenance on the ISS - Americans are not able to corny. Therefore, in due time, in response to sanctions. Roscosmos reduced the number of our astronauts on the ISS. Looks like the truth - precisely because of this, for some reason NASA was very upset

[Invoce]

Passengers-tourists .. pay for presence, not for work on the ISS ... They dirtied the toilet - they went to the Russian sector .. "... Try not to let us in - we will dirtiest the entire station" It's scary to imagine what kind of specialists they are in the army ... warriors

[Jerk]

Come on, toilets ... Remember recently they have two babischi crawled out into space? Everything is fine, only then the American segment was partially de-energized. What did they do there?

MOSCOW, October 22 - RIA News. Astronauts of the International Space Station cannot use the kitchen in the American segment and are forced to heat food in the Russian module.
The ISS commander Luca Parmitano said this during talks with specialists from the Houston Mission Control Center, broadcast by NASA.
According to him, a short circuit occurred in the kitchen in the American Unity module at night, due to which the water heater failed. As a result, astronauts have to use the kitchen of the Russian Zvezda module.

[Masha]

Quote: Invoce

"... Try not to let it go - we'll dump the whole station"

shtatovtsev favorite pastime shit ... shit everywhere wherever possible and where not ...

[slipped]

Quote: Jerk

Looks like the truth - precisely because of this, for some reason NASA was very upset

Is that just a coincidence. The number of cosmonauts was temporarily cut corny due to the lack of bed space on our segment for the third member of the Russian crew. There are only two cabins in the service module. The third cabin should come with a laboratory module. Earlier they got out by organizing a sleeping place in one of the universal racks of the American segment and paying for it by delivering American consumables on Progress. With the advent of new cargo ships from the "partners", this barter opportunity ceased. And there is simply no free money to pay for a seat in the ISS AS. Therefore, we made a choice in favor of commercial launches of astronauts, by reducing our crew at the station to two cosmonauts, and should increase again to three next year.

[Jerk]

It’s just that the warm and the soft are mixed up - we are talking about 2014, and not about 2019 ... And one more thing - why, then, was NASA excited about this issue, if they do not care? Also a coincidence?

[slipped]

Quote: Jerk

It’s just that the warm and the soft are mixed up - it's about 2014, not about 2019 ...

The Russian crew was cut in 2016. In 2017, the launch of the repaired MLM-U Nauka was to take place and the crew was to be restored to three cosmonauts, but the launch was postponed first to 2019, and then to November 2020.

Quote: Jerk

And one more thing - why on this occasion then it was NASA that got excited if they didn’t care? Also a coincidence?

It is not clear to me what it means your "aroused". Give a link.

Here's a translation of NASA's statement on this subject:

"We will explore this possibility, as we always do, first of all, we will assess what risk this may pose to both the station and the crew, and based on this, we will work on options for what we can do as partners (on the ISS) and either help or convince that this is bad "

"Obviously we remember that Russia has pledged to continue working on the ISS until at least 2024, there is no doubt that they will remember this."

As a result, they began to just temporarily buy this place.

[Vladimir61]

"Yes, we (the West), yes, I (the USA)", but in the end, you need to buy "tickets", either for our last train, or for the Chinese one.

[Esaul]

I think if we did not have a ship, but the United States had, then figs we would fly to the ISS now.

[slipped]

Quote: Esaul

I think if we did not have a ship, but the United States had, then figs we would fly to the ISS now.

If grandfather was a grandmother ..... In this case, the ISS would not exist.

[Svetlana]

The trampoline prophecy comes true.

[Borsht]

We will have to sacrifice something by reducing our crew to provide space for our American colleagues

What the hell is that? Only if they agree to a similar possibility that our astronauts will snatch out parts of their crews taking their place.

[Invoce]

Just like when buying a ticket Moscow - Sochi ... Do not have time - give us a place. To the detriment of whom? or make a new Union?

[Andrey Chistyakov]

Do not see something Zeev-zeev ....
Two days ago I squealed so much here that the Americans abandoned the Soyuz ...

[Evil echo]

Just say that for these years there are no weak places?

[Maxwrx]

I don’t understand that everyone was so happy. Yes, the tests dragged on, well, they’ll buy a couple of places, well, we’ll earn a couple of hundred million. But the ships exist and the Americans will finish them anyway. Not in 21g, so in 22g. Do you want to wipe your nose and not send their astronauts? Well, they will not fly for 1-2 years, and then what? We will not make money, humiliate the Americans! That's cool, yes, to prove to someone that they are still dependent on us, will this comfort you personally? It will comfort me that Roskosmos will have extra money, which I really hope will go to some useful program (and not be sawed as often). And if we have a serious problem with the unions and for example, all ships (with a production cycle of 2,5 g.) Go for revision, then what will we fly on ??? In space, you can’t do so to the detriment of others. Our astronauts flew on shuttles, astronauts on exchange alliances. And this is normal!

[Zeev Zeev]

We will wait for confirmation from NASA. And then Roskosmos promised a lot of things and said.

[Jerk]

Kaneshna, NASA never lies! They said that Dragonfly (just "dragonfly" in translation) - will fly in manned flight in November - then it will fly! November is already tomorrow. Oh wait, they are already lisping something about "not earlier than 2020"? Well then. about November - nasty cotton wool lied! But you just need to quickly correct the article in Pedivikia supervised by the State Department, otherwise it turns out inconvenient ...

[Zeev Zeev]

"Dragonfly" is that?

[Jerk]

This is a dragonfly or a dragon flight. Dragonfly to the mask and its dances fits rather

[Zeev Zeev]

"Space Dragon" chtol? So he had an accident, and it is quite clear that the manned launch was postponed. Or was it necessary to launch it "faster, faster" like Komarov?

[Jerk]

In short, as always, either the skirt is long or the horseradish is short, but it doesn’t matter that the flight is scheduled in November. After all, if you took a plane ticket on November 1, it doesn’t matter at all that on November 1 the plane will not fly anywhere? It’s important that you fly away someday, and that your deadlines are on for the planned events - it doesn’t matter. Buy a ticket for Russian Railways. And then Hyperloop, too, did not have time to build

[Kelwin]

Well, what was the conversation about - flying iron is one thing, the question is only money, the crew’s life is completely different, where the level of reliability is required an order of magnitude higher. Awareness of real responsibility came and the deadlines immediately went right.

[Berkut24]

Well, I always suspected that Elon Musk was our man. And who is helping us in Boeing?

[Jerk]

Come on in Boeing, tripods help Airbus there too - the American company Pratt and Whitney ... They again explained that. that on this junk you have to fly slowly, sadly and with prayer:
https://afirsov.livejournal.com/493859.html
... and at the same time they are now being tried for defective engines for F-22 ... It’s worse for penguins to see what thread to do with their handles than to grind the blizzard with tongue

[Leon68]

In Seattle our dofig. Anyone yes contributed

[Berkut24]

I know that in the 90s, NASA was one third of fugitive Soviet specialists. It can be seen that the guys in Russia still have a side job.

[Jerk]

And now - from the former employees of the program "fairy tale by tale"
https://pikabu.ru/story/ilon_mask_smotrel_neznayku_na_lune_7001119

[abyssal]

Quote: Berkut24

Well, I always suspected that Elon Musk was our man. And who is helping us in Boeing?

Yours, yours.

This is about the small satellites that were going to carry the Rokoty and Dnepr, and now Musk will carry it.
https://spacenews.com/spacex-revamps-smallsat-rideshare-program/

[Berkut24]

"Will" is Musk's favorite word. Investors won't give money without it.

[abyssal]

Quote: Berkut24

"Will" is Musk's favorite word. Investors won't give money without it.

The link has the terms and prices of the Mask. Want to compare with Roskosmos?
PS: How are the Dnieper and Rokoty?

[Berkut24]

Dates and prices The mask is in the presentations of all his projects. But not a single project of the Mask has matched neither the time nor the price. For example, with regard to the production of electric vehicles, until now, every new machine produced brings a net loss, no one can find the ends in accounting, and Musk himself was removed by the shareholders from managing the company. As for rockets, launch prices, of course, are announced, but no one knows how much the mask costs for each launch. Musk calls for investing in this business, but the profitability of the project is unknown to anyone. Everything looks like a financial pyramid.

[abyssal]

Quote: Berkut24

Dates and prices The mask is in the presentations of all his projects. But not a single project of the Mask has matched neither the time nor the price.

When you write this, you can safely bring the promises of Roscosmos on projects, deadlines and prices. To clearly show who and where fits.

Quote: Berkut24

and Musk himself was removed by the shareholders from managing the company

Yah?

Quote: Berkut24

As for rockets, launch prices, of course, are announced, but no one knows how much the mask costs for each launch.

When you buy a plane ticket, you are surely interested in the airline, what is the cost of the trip?

Quote: Berkut24

Musk calls for investing in this business, but the profitability of the project is unknown to anyone. Everything looks like a financial pyramid.

Well, such a prominent analyst as you know better.
PS: Have you even read my link? Have you seen the timing and prices of passing cargo at Mask? Where do you think Roskosmos will be with its numbers?

[Berkut24]

I repeat again. In the conditions of a financial pyramid, prices can be anything, the main thing is to be attractive. As a percentage in MMM. The first launches of reusable missiles at cost were far beyond a billion apiece. Because the cost of the rocket includes the cost of development, and the cost of tests, and the cost of the spaceport and the total taxes paid for this period. The intensity of the launches at the Mask is much lower than the project promises. This means that Musk will smile until the last, until he earns maximum money and declares the company bankrupt.

[abyssal]

It starts to bother me to pour over from empty to empty and listen to your conclusions.
There is a desire to specifically go through the promises and deadlines of Mask and Roscossmos and what is made of this?
If there is no desire, then we will say goodbye.

[Berkut24]

Yes, and I'm tired of all this. If you do not understand the difference between the tasks and financing of a state company and a show company, then let's end there.

[abyssal]

Quote: Berkut24

Yes, and I'm tired of all this. If you do not understand the difference between the tasks and financing of a state company and a show company, then let's end there.

Classic. As soon as you need specifics, the opponent has lost interest in the dialogue.
Happy to stay.

[slipped]

Quote: abyssal

As soon as you need specifics, the opponent has lost interest in the dialogue.

Let me give you specifics. In 2020, the company Glavkosmos, the cost of launching spacecraft in the 3U cubesat format (with sides 10x10x30 cm) will be 170 thousand dollars. As part of the launch of microsatellites on the same missions, the company already signed contracts with a number of customers at prices ranging from 15 thousand to 17 thousand dollars per kilogram.

Moreover, this is not a marketing ploy, but a real reduction in price due to additional reserves inherent in rocket production.

Moreover, there is an intensive development of the Soyuz-2M modification without a powerful booster block, which takes the ICA swarm to 700 km orbit and allows reducing the cost by 30%.

So what is it with Mask?

[abyssal]

Quote: slipped

Let me give you specifics. In 2020, Glavkosmos company has the cost of launching 3U cubesat spacecraft (with sides 10x10x30 cm)

We talked about small satellites who were supposed to carry the Rokoty and Dnieper (by the way, how are they, can you tell me?) Not about micro.
For some reason, you got into a conversation with a bunch of pathos and started talking about Yeryoma, although the conversation was about Thomas.

Quote: slipped

Moreover, there is an intensive development of the Soyuz-2M modification without a powerful booster block, which takes the ICA swarm to 700 km orbit and allows reducing the cost by 30%.

That's when the development is over, the price drops and is announced, then come and talk.

Quote: slipped

So what is it with Mask?

Mask has

Prices, and most importantly - the timing.
And now my question is: What is there at the Glavkosmos?

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Quote: abyssal

We talked about small satellites who were supposed to carry the Rokoty and Dnieper (by the way, how are they, can you tell me?) Not about micro.

We do not have the concept of micro. We have the concept of spacecraft - small spacecraft. All devices up to 400 kg are included there. But for the convenience of customers introduced the concept of Kubsat.

The Dnepr rocket, or rather its last stage, was previously produced by the Russian-Ukrainian company Kosmotras. After Ukraine's refusal to cooperate, some of the Ukrainian employees moved to Glavkosmos: launch services. GK company: launch services launches satellites on the Soyuz-2 rocket.

The last rocket, Rokot, will be launched in December. The next payload, planned for launch on this rocket, was transferred to the Soyuz-2 rocket in the cluster launches of the main complex. For this, the corresponding adapters have been developed.

Quote: abyssal

For some reason, you got into a conversation with a bunch of pathos and started talking about Yeryoma, although the conversation was about Thomas.

So you carry heresy with your pathos.

Quote: abyssal

That's when the development is over, the price drops and is announced, then come and talk.

So you do not understand? Price already decreased. $ 15 per kg. For the launch of kubsat.

Quote: abyssal

What is there at the Glavkosmos?

And Glavkosmos has a calculator on the website https://calc.gklaunch.ru/#/. Enter the numbers, get the real result of calculating the cost of services for your launch. And not the numbers written on the fence.

[abyssal]

Quote: slipped

So you do not understand? The price has already fallen. $ 15 per kg. For the launch of kubsat.

Quote: slipped

So you carry heresy with your pathos

15000 $ x 200kg. = $ 3000. This is with Glavkosmos according to your statement. At Mask, a two hundred kilogram satellite will cost to launch ... $ 000. THREE TIMES cheaper.
Move on. The pre-order period for the Mask is 6 months, and since March 2020, it indicates 29 opportunities for associated loads. I will explain this to you in a simple and understandable language. This means that in most cases it is possible to send a satellite immediately for its manufacture, and not wait for months and years as in Glavkosmos.
After that, you write me something about pathos and heresy? Seriously?
We have already figured out your knowledge of arithmetic and accounting, now I would like to hear about the terms of the Glavkosmos?
I have all the attention!
Particularly amused:

Quote: slipped

We do not have the concept of micro. We have the concept of spacecraft - small spacecraft.

And literally a post before this

Quote: slipped

As part of the launch of microsatellites

Are you more attentive?

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Quote: abyssal

15000 $ x 200kg. = $ 3000. This is with Glavkosmos according to your statement.

Can you multiply? Commendable. But no. You are reading inattentively. $ 15 entirely for a satellite weighing 000 kg. It weighs so much cubesat. Well, or $ 1 if the weight is two hundred kilos. Cost of launch services bоThe larger satellite is calculated individually on the calculator; there are too many different coefficients. The same MCAs usually fly as part of a cluster, together with the state PN.

Quote: abyssal

At Mask, a two hundred kilogram satellite will cost to launch ... $ 1000. THREE TIMES cheaper.

Well, they themselves were mistaken, and then they themselves made statements on their own erroneous conclusion. Oh, and you know how to multiply ....

Quote: abyssal

Move on. The pre-order period for the Mask is 6 months, and since March 2020, it indicates 29 opportunities for associated loads. I will explain this to you in a simple and understandable language. This means that in most cases it is possible to send a satellite immediately for its manufacture, and not wait for months and years as in Glavkosmos.

I have all the attention!

Commendable.

I explain in a simple and understandable language - we also have 6 months. Dates of the extreme pair of launches 27.12.2018/05.07.2019/XNUMX, XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX. Between them almost the same six months. And next year and even more often. Moreover, we even have stocks on, attention, free launch. Here is a team of Italians who recently won such a:

Happy Maybe your Mask, for which you are drowning here, can afford generally free launches?

Quote: abyssal

Are you more attentive?

This is not my terminology - this is a literal quote from the media. Go to the calculator and there you will see the terms.

[abyssal]

Quote: slipped

Can you multiply? Commendable. But no. You are reading inattentively. $ 15 entirely for a satellite weighing 000 kg. It weighs so much cubesat. Well, or $ 1 if the weight is two hundred kilos.

AND? 200 satellites of 1 kg. = 200 kg., Or, to say, 3 million dollars. Or Glavkosmos 000 will not undertake to deliver? And how much will it take, 000?

Quote: slipped

The cost of launching a larger satellite is calculated individually on the calculator, there are too many different coefficients.

Those. the specialist cannot say how much it costs to deliver a 200 kilogram satellite at Glavkosmos? Sadness. Mask is more than clear.

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Quote: abyssal
At Mask, a two hundred kilogram satellite will cost to launch ... $ 1000. THREE TIMES cheaper.

Well, they themselves were mistaken, and then they themselves made statements on their own erroneous conclusion. Oh, and you know how to multiply ....

What's the mistake?

Quote: slipped

I explain in a simple and understandable language - we also have 6 months. Dates of the extreme pair of launches 27.12.2018/05.07.2019/XNUMX, XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX. Between them almost the same six months. And next year and even more often

6 months from the time of application to launch? Well, ka reference, any?

Quote: slipped

Moreover, we even have promotions, attention, a free launch. Here is a team of Italians who recently won such a:

1 kg?

Quote: slipped

Maybe your Mask, for which you are drowning here, can afford generally free launches?

Mask prices are lower than the Glavkosmos 3 times. THREE TIMES, cap. He can afford it.

Quote: slipped

This is not my terminology - this is a literal quote from the media.

1. Quotes from the media are usually marked with "quotes".
2. It was necessary to either correct the "quote" or not be clever with me. And then you did it funny.

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Quote: abyssal

AND? 200 satellites of 1 kg. = 200 kg., Or, to say, 3 million dollars.

And then educational program follows - there are no 200 cubsats there :). The maximum number of withdrawals is 72 devices. The launch included both cubesats and MCAs.

Quote: abyssal

Or Glavkosmos 200 will not undertake to deliver?

Already delivered. We have a launch this year from Baikonur on Soyuz-2 of a cluster of 34 OneWeb satellites, each weighing 150 kg. Glavkosmos is also involved in this launch.

Quote: abyssal

And how much will it take, 1,3,5?

The Soyuz-2 launch vehicle from the Vostochny cosmodrome can withdraw more than eight tons. All this cargo can be exclusively yours.

Quote: abyssal

Those. the specialist cannot say how much it costs to deliver a 200 kilogram satellite at Glavkosmos?
Sadness. Mask is more than clear.

But nothing is clear. You can also write different things on the fence. Nobody will show you the real numbers of the contract. Unless what kind of audit requires them. Musk just at this and fell a few times.

Quote: abyssal

What's the mistake?

So count your companion on the calculator and see that simple multiplication does not roll. Or is there no satellite?

Quote: abyssal

6 months from the time of application to launch? Well, ka reference, any?

A reference? Well, here's a specific device for you - a satellite of the Amur State University "Amgu-1". Application acceptance date - end of December 2018. Launched on July 5, 2019. Links - accepting an application: https://www.amursu.ru/news/sobytiya/roskosmos_prinyal_zayavku_na_zapusk_sputnika_studentov_i_molodykh_uchenykh_amgu/ and launching https://www.ixbt.com/newoks/2019/07/05/-sputamnikurs- -vdnh1-sozdannye-pri-uchastii-studentov-i-sotrudnikov-mgu-uspeshno-vyvedeny-na-orbitu.html

Will it do?

Quote: abyssal

Mask prices are lower than the Glavkosmos 3 times. THREE TIMES, cap. He can afford it.

I already wrote to you above that you made a mistake in the cost of the launch. He cannot afford it. It can and will give a discount - even the poor Kazakhs won money for essentially a test run on a new bus, but if you are so sure of your conviction - a reference pliz.

Quote: abyssal

It is customary to mark quotes from the media with "quotes".

Do you also propose putting commas with periods? Did the school really torture you?

[abyssal]

After the previous speaker merged, as soon as it came to specifics, you appeared with the statement: "Let me be specific!" You, too, could not and swam right away, declaring: "there are many different coefficients" and "here is a calculator for you, do it yourself".
Okay, the last time I’ll try to get at least something from you.

Quote: slipped

And then educational program follows - there are no 200 cubsats there :). The maximum number of withdrawals is 72 devices. The launch included both cubesats and MCAs.

Likbez - this is when you would tell me the figure for the launch of 72 devices of 1 kg. and she is not
would equal $ 1. What about the number, again I myself need to go somewhere and find out?

Quote: slipped

Already delivered. We have a launch this year from Baikonur on Soyuz-2 of a cluster of 34 OneWeb satellites, each weighing 150 kg. Glavkosmos is also involved in this launch.

And how much does it cost? Again, problems with the answer?

Quote: slipped

But nothing is clear. You can also write different things on the fence. Nobody will show you the real numbers of the contract.

Are you normal at all? Musk claims that it will cost so much so much. Open to the whole world. But you are seriously suggesting that I believe that this is a bug and the final launch cost will be more expensive, right? And the loshara client will be silent about this in a rag? Do you judge people by yourself?

Quote: slipped

Musk just at this and fell a few times.

I will not even ask for links to "fired repeatedly". I know in advance that you will merge again.

Quote: slipped

Reference? Well, here's a specific device for you - the satellite of the Amur State University "Amgu-1". Application acceptance date - end of December 2018. Launched on July 5, 2019. Links - application acceptance: https://www.amursu.ru/news/sobytiya/roskosmos_prinyal_zayavku_na_zapusk_sputnika_studentov_i_molodykh_uchenykh_amgu/ and launch https://www.ixbt.com/newoks/2019/07/05/-sputamnikurs- -vdnh1-sozdannye-pri-uchastii-studentov-i-sotrudnikov-mgu-uspeshno-vyvedeny-na-orbitu.html

Will it do?

No, it won't do.
1. Is it a commercial launch or a charity?
2. I asked the Russian language for the date of submission of the application, and not its acceptance. When did you apply? Do you know? Maybe a year before she was accepted?
3. Why does the Amur State University appear in your first link, and in the second Moscow State University?

Quote: slipped

Do you also propose putting commas with periods? Did the school really torture you?

Quotation marks are usually not put by those who pretend to be someone else's thoughts for their own and do not want to admit it. So understandable?
P.S. You have one last attempt at being specific. If again there is an incoherent set of phrases, then we will say goodbye.

[slipped]

To summarize?

I am:
1. Gave you the real price of the contract for the services for launching cubsat, which the SC announced at an international conference.
2. Gave you access to this calculator, according to which you can calculate how much the cost of launching services at the GC of any satellite is. It is not difficult, only desire is needed.
3. Provided you with a link that the GC has real promotions on the free launch of satellites.
4. Provided, at your request, links to the present six-month period from the acceptance of the order by the company to the launch.

Are you:

1. Know how to multiply. But do it thoughtlessly.
2. Unconditionally believe in the word Mask and did not provide a single link to the cost of a real contract to launch an ICA, as well as a link to the possibility of free launches from it. By the way, the launch of two Kazakh satellites weighing 5 and 101 kg cost Kazakhstan $ 2,6 million and this is with a 10% discount on the test launch. https://avianews.info/falcon-9-zapustit-kazahskie-sputniki-za-2-6-mln-dollarov/

3. Check the spelling of the interlocutor.
4. Do not carefully know how to read the provided text and do not know how to receive information from the site provided to you.

The latter follows from the fact that you couldn’t even understand from the links given that AmSU-1 is a satellite of Amur State University, you don’t know how MSU and AmSU are connected to each other, and that this particular satellite was launched six months after the application was submitted and received to start from the customer for the money. Free start received the University of Rome.
Do not like AmSU? No problem - here’s a link to the date of filing and receiving the application, or rather, the conclusion of a contract for the launch of KEPLER COMMUNICATIONS satellites, adopted in October 2019 with the launch in mid-2020, since the satellites are almost ready for http: // gklaunch. com / news / kepler-communications-planiruet-zapusk-sputnikov-s-isl-i-ao-glavkosmos-puskovye-uslugi-na-rn-soyuz-v-seredine-sleduyushhego-goda / i.e. The launch of the satellite depends not only on the time of the submitted application, but also on the readiness of the payload itself by that time. Kazakhstan waited almost two years.

Conclusion - you are a schoolboy, an adherent of the sect Mask See you next time.

[abyssal]

Quote: slipped

To summarize?

With pleasure!

Quote: slipped

I am:
1. Gave you the real price of the contract for the services for launching cubsat, which the SC announced at an international conference.

Did I ask you about this? Why do I need this information?

Quote: slipped

2. Gave you access to this calculator, according to which you can calculate how much the cost of launching services at the GC of any satellite is. It’s easy, you only need desire.

If it’s not difficult, then why, after REPEATED requests from my side, were you unable to voice the cost of launching a 200 kilogram satellite?

Quote: slipped

3. Provided you with a link that the GC has real promotions on the free launch of satellites.

For some reason, you provide me with something that they don’t ask you and you can’t even tell which cargo was free.

Quote: slipped

4. Provided, at your request, links to the present six-month period from the acceptance of the order by the company to the launch.

Tell me, do you have a bad reading comprehension? I have repeatedly told you that I do not need information about the acceptance of the order, I need infa about the deadlines for submitting the application and starting the load. Where is the filing date?

Quote: slipped

here is a link to submit and receive an application for launching KEPLER COMMUNICATIONS satellites, adopted in October 2019

How did you bore me! Not in your link is either the date of the SUBMISSION of the application or the date of RECEIPT. There is one single CONTRACT SIGNING DATE.
Find me at least ONE contract that was signed on the day of contact without prior approval, etc.

Quote: slipped

Conclusion - you are a schoolboy, an adherent of the Mask sect. See you next time.

And how he breathed, how he breathed ...

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Quote: abyssal

Did I ask you about this? Why do I need this information?

Indeed, you do not need real information, you are a sectarian, you believe in a word. Sects always believe in preachers.

Quote: abyssal

If it’s not difficult, then why, after REPEATED requests from my side, were you unable to voice the cost of launching a 200 kilogram satellite?

But there is no such price - the launch of a 200 kilogram satellite. There is a launch of a satellite weighing 200 kg in a certain period with certain requirements, which are calculated on a calculator. Take and count. The Mask has a launch of 106 kg, as I gave the link earlier - actually about two and a half million dollars and wait more than a year and a half.

Quote: abyssal

For some reason, you provide me with something that they don’t ask you and you can’t even tell which cargo was free.

So, you didn’t expect satellites to launch for free? SIMBA satellite (System for Improving Monitoring the Behavior of Animals) from the University of Rome. By the way, satellites of other universities that also participated in the campaign and won prizes will be launched at a substantial discount.

Quote: abyssal

Tell me, do you have a bad reading comprehension? I have repeatedly told you that I do not need information about the acceptance of the order, I need infa about the deadlines for submitting the application and starting the load. Where is the filing date?

But do you think that everything is on the Internet? Contact your customers, maybe they will tell you when an application was submitted from them. For my part, I will say that the application is considered as soon as possible. And the launch cost is generally calculated during the day.

Quote: abyssal

And how he breathed, how he breathed ...

So I still like you eat without problems. Learn well, maybe you can manage to launch your companion in the future.

[Jerk]

So I have a dog recently a tree ... Abyssal ... And Musk still carries 10% of the load of his Falcons? Well, of course, with a 10% load - flights pay off, yes ...

[7,62x54]

Rogozin is ready to sacrifice places for our crew to provide amers. Dunno in her repertoire.

[Avior]

Americans pay generously.
And they still haven’t guessed money from their own for a place in the Union and for a bed on the ISS

[7,62x54]

the Americans will fly in armchairs, ours can and standing, as in a minibus

[K-50]

The US National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) has asked Roscosmos for additional seats on the Soyuz spacecraft for its astronauts in 2020 and 2021.

So, it seems, they completely refused places? Have you changed your mind?

[Avior]

They never refused at all.
In part, they were going to send theirs to the Unions in any case, to secure and support the flights of Unions.

[Prisoner]

There is a ballet ticket, there are no tickets for Soyuz! ...

[tanit]

Well, gloating over the American program is a matter of taste. But the "yells" about the epic lag of Russia in space - could shut up for a while. At least until 2021. It's not so easy to do space transportation, right?

[Vkd dvk]

Two ships for premium flights.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Squadron

(NASA) has requested additional seats on Soyuz spacecraft for its astronauts from Roscosmos in 2020 and 2021.

To go crazy .. Then here and in the world such rabid baiting went to the expense of our Roskosmos, etc. And the cries of Musk the great engineer and these Russians shut up for the belt .. hehe
Aw mask and your fans, what the hell? Huston there does not catch your mice at all.?

Well, Musk does not deal with such a trifle as simple flights to the ISS.
It solves the problems of the universal scale - the arrangement of Mars, supersonic high-speed transport in vacuum tubes, the metro, with the delivery of passengers in their cars from where they live to any, with a finger out on the Earth globe, the creation of absolutely free Internet for all the inhabitants of the Earth with their millions scurrying in low orbits satellites. Our Heavenly Father, and did not dream of a huge amount of grandeur in a hurry to make everyone happy.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: tanit

Well, gloating over the American program is a matter of taste. But the "yells" about the epic lag of Russia in space - could shut up for a while. At least until 2021. It's not so easy to do space transportation, right?

You more clearly lay out your opinion about .... It is not clear what prevails among you - chagrin and resentment for your idols overseas, or a deep understanding of the complexity of the daily work of transporting space tourists.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: 7,62x54

Rogozin is ready to sacrifice places for our crew to provide amers. Dunno in her repertoire.

What you are right about is that the mind does not fit into the 7,62x54 caliber. You did not understand even the first line of the article.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Chit

I don’t know where Musk studied.
I know that Musk made a heavy rocket, which Russia has no analogue to.

I also know (it’s amazing how it passed you by), not a single promise to master Mars, a reusable rocket flying 100 times with a period of 24 hours, neither vacuum supersonic transport, nor a battery system for converting electricity and returning to the network, nor he didn’t fulfill the metro that delivers a passenger in a car on a route chosen by himself, neither the Internet, free for all, nor a car that saves the environment. In your enthusiasm for this scumbag, you can see HOW socialism mutilated you. You do not distinguish plans from reality.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

We will wait for confirmation from NASA. And then Roskosmos promised a lot of things and said.

So far, only Roskosmos carries people. Unlike rogues in NASA, Mask, and others ...
And even guarantees issued by Roscosmos to ensure the safety of crews are being implemented.
What is proved not so long ago by an accident. What the Americans did not have at all from the word. And not proven in practice in new developments.

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Quote: wkd dvk

And not proven in practice in new developments.

There, according to the Dragon, it’s now 50 to 50. It will either save or not. The second and fourth they have tests of the CAC of both ships, let's see.

[Ros 56]

Chu, and what happened, but how to the moon and to Mars. What, and Musk doesn’t help, that’s a bastard, he spends money, throws cars into space, and then, did he throw a couple of people on the ISS?

[Jerk]

The ISS working shift does not fit in the teslamobile

[Potato]

My opinion is this - after all the humiliation from the United States, including Rogozin’s personal visa-free visa, the Americans have a dirty rag in their mouth, not places in unions. If I sell Rogozin and give Americans a place to the detriment of ours, he is not the leader of the Russian space industry. Let him look for another job

[Lord of the Sith]

For ten years, nothing really came up with a manned launch, and so much pathos

[shadow]

Why didn’t they write what answer was given by NASA?

[Avior]

Wrote

a decision was made to allocate funds for the construction of two additional Soyuz spacecraft.

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Quote: Avior

Wrote

a decision was made to allocate funds for the construction of two additional Soyuz spacecraft.

Which will be ready after the year 2021. And for our astronauts.

[Avior]

Clearly, with American money.
So the answer is obvious.

[Rostislav]

Why sacrifice and shorten your test program?
And for whom? Again for the "partners"?

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Shadows

Why didn’t they write what answer was given by NASA?

Carrots were hung in front of the nose.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Operator

- shaw, again?

Again, again! "Don't say gop without jumping over."

I know another saying:
They did not boast when they went to the army, but boasted when they went with rati. (You can say the last two words together).

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: slipped

Quote: wkd dvk

And not proven in practice in new developments.

There, according to the Dragon, it’s now 50 to 50. It will either save or not. The second and fourth they have tests of the CAC of both ships, let's see.

The use of working engines to start and break away from a rocket during an accident is a dubious matter. If the accident itself has a developmental course that is not too fast, then the inclusion of the dviguns will undermine the underlying last stage and it will make the ship not even a barbecue. Our system of salvation is far from the last stage, at the makovka, and is not able to do this.
I really do not like their idea.

We already had similar accidents. Abnormal inclusion of engines of the upper stage led to the explosion of everything. A lot of people died.

[Vladimir Nizhegorodsky]

No need for them to sell and allocate any places.
There are other countries, both rich and friendly.
Let them fly on their Xth summer.
Which supposedly was 760 days in space.
There is anyone in Russia to sell their services in space.
✊✊✊

[Alexey LK]

Quote: MaxWRX

Do you want to wipe your nose and not send their astronauts?

No, we want the Russian cosmonauts not to be shown drunk in earflaps in the next film with Bruce Willis in space. ;-) Well, just in earflaps is possible. :-)

[Bar2]

Quote: Jerk

Quote: voyaka uh

He is independent.

Especially from NASA. True, NASA is leading this program, and Musk is the vice chairman there. Oh no, he's a great rocket builder! I studied building rockets at the business faculty in South Africa. Or in Canada? There is also a powerful school of rocket designers ...

American space is like that.
-first space is not space astrosmos
-second taken a lot of US dollars
- then invite holivut
- then invite "independent" media.
-main manager such as fonbrown or mask
- and voila, the rocket is ready to fly to the moon, to Mars and to the sun.

[Bshkaus]

therefore, a decision was made to allocate funds for the construction of two additional Soyuz spacecraft.

On the one hand, I’m not surprised that common sense still triumphed in the minds of the Americans and they decided to play it safe.
But on the other, it’s a shame: A month ago, the officials of Roscosmos dukhar that if the Americans do not want, the train has left, there are no missiles and they will not have time to make them. And as soon as they whistled "Tuzik to the leg ...", they immediately came running on their hind legs wagging their tail ".. How many missiles do you make, two, or twenty-two?"

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Quote: Bshkaus

But on the other, it’s a shame: a month ago, the official representatives of the Russian Space Agency said that if the Americans didn’t want to, the train left, there weren’t any missiles and they won’t be able to make them.

What makes you so angry? That's right, the term for building ships from scratch is just over two years. All ships that stand on the slipway are designed for specific expedition programs.

Quote: Bshkaus

And as soon as they whistled "Tuzik to the leg ...", they immediately came running on their hind legs wagging their tail ".. How many missiles do you need to make, two, or twenty-two?"

We international station with the Americans. And as in any similar general international project, you can sit at the negotiating table and agree. We agreed, entered their position and added two more ships to the slipway, with a production term of 2021. And the Americans because of their force majeure will pay for our astronauts.

[Bshkaus]

What makes you so angry?

Look, these are your words?

Sanki needed to be prepared in advance

You can ask why no one stood in position number 3 and firmly said "dear colleagues, the train left, you had to think in advance, whatever you want, and get to the ISS", as Rogozin threatened to do a month ago, when the Americans and Europeans unanimously renounced the Unions ?.
Is it logical? maybe yes, but not practical.
As soon as the rustling of green papers was heard, Captain 92 immediately wrote what the majority is actually thinking:

We may not have enough money for our astronauts and the new module, but for launching a mattress, take 80 million bucks each, this is good

This is really GUD, for 80ml bucks you can stick your principles to hell, right?
And we no longer recall the sledges that were not prepared in advance, but gently express ourselves:

We have an international station with the Americans. And as in any similar general international project, you can sit at the negotiating table and agree

You see, if we have an international station, then we must behave decently from the very beginning, and if we have bazaar graters, then be responsible for our words.

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Quote: Bshkaus

You can ask why no one stood in position number 3 and firmly said "dear colleagues, the train left, you had to think in advance, whatever you want, and get to the ISS", as Rogozin threatened to do a month ago, when the Americans and Europeans unanimously renounced the Unions ?.

Can. Even necessary, since you do not understand what an "international project" is. Firstly, no one "threatened", but the fact that I mentioned above was announced. There are no free "Soyuz-MS" and that is why the Americans will pay for two more new ones, since the conversation is not just about places. but about the possibility of access to the ISS in general. Roscosmos, having shown goodwill, once again went to meet his colleagues on the project. So clear

Quote: Bshkaus

Is it logical? maybe yes, but not practical.

Would you like the collapse of the "international project" of Russia and America?

Quote: Bshkaus

As soon as the rustling of green papers was heard, Captain 92 immediately wrote what the majority is actually thinking:

How your "majority" has deteriorated, since it only thinks about money.

Quote: Bshkaus

We may not have enough money for our astronauts and the new module, but for launching a mattress, take 80 million bucks each, this is good

This is really GUD, for 80ml bucks you can stick your principles to hell, right?

What kind of money, for which astronauts? What are you talking about? The MLM-U launch rocket has long been delivered to Baikonur.

Quote: Bshkaus

You see, if we have an international station, then we must behave decently from the very beginning, and if we have bazaar graters, then be responsible for our words.

The Americans were warned several times that there were no seats in the new Unions. Let's agree. They pulled with it. And now they will be paying three times the price.