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Viet Cong special forces against the old aircraft carrier. The destruction of the ship "Card"

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Trying to keep afloat its puppet illegitimate regime in South Vietnam, the United States in 1961 was forced to drastically increase the volume of military assistance to the Saigon regime. By that time, the United States still had a lot of canned ships and ships of the Second World War. As military assistance included more and more planes and helicopters for the South Vietnamese regime, the US rationally decided to use its old escort aircraft carriers, or, as they were called, "jeep carriers" as transport ships. Now, however, they did not have to fight. Therefore, the ships were transferred from the Navy to the Pentagon Transport Command, changing the "combat" designation of the USS to the USNS, under which auxiliary ships go through the seas fleet USA.


Viet Cong special forces against the old aircraft carrier. The destruction of the ship "Card"

The Card (USNS "Card") carries the F-102 supersonic interceptors. Perhaps in Japan, Germany in the Philippines or in South Vietnam, where they also served


One of the first such ships were two Bog class escorts. The first was “Coor” (“Core”), and the second of the same type “Card” (“Card”). These ships, once hunting German submarines in the Atlantic, were no longer of combat value. But on the other hand, their large flat decks made it possible to place a large number of combat aircraft and helicopters on them, and the hangar allowed loading a lot of military equipment - from trucks to armored personnel carriers. However, they carried containers.


Coor carries combat aircraft: Skyhawks, Skywrights, and even the transport C-47 Skytrain


Soon, jeep carrier trips became a routine. They stably delivered equipment and equipment to warring Vietnam. The war was gaining momentum and they had enough work. As you know, a significant mass of South Vietnamese supported the Viet Cong and North Vietnam. Given the fact that South Vietnam was ruled by stupid and incompetent military dictators set up by the Americans, in fact brutal kings carefully killing competitors in the struggle for power and not escaping reprisals against the civilian population, this was not surprising. For many years, people in impotent rage watched as foreigners enter their country weapon, which was to be used to kill their compatriots.

But after some time, among them were those whose rage was no longer so impotent.

65-th group of special operations of Vietnam


Like many national liberation movements, the Viet Cong imagined a mixture of party and partisan army. At the same time, the presence of a patron country in the north with a large mobilization resource and a poorly equipped but brave army left a definite imprint on the actions of the Viet Cong against puppets of the United States, and then the Americans themselves. Not having the resources to conduct an open war in the cities, the Viet Cong created small battle groups that were supposed to conduct sabotage, kill Americans and collaborators, and conduct reconnaissance. These were, in fact, battle groups of the underground, which fought against the pro-Western regime. Of course, this happened in many countries of the world both before and after. But the Vietnamese specifics were such that these people had where to get extremely specific training. So, for example, there were many partisan movements in the world, but not so many where there were combat swimmers and miners who could put magnetic mines under water. The Viet Cong, “tied up” to North Vietnam, had no problems with the training of such specialists.

The domestic reader has little idea of ​​how seriously North Vietnam approached the conduct of special operations. So, the Vietnamese practiced throwing sabotage groups into the American rear using aviation - who else in the world was able to do this? Vietnam was one of the first countries in the world to have its own special operations forces - the Dak Kong Special Forces. In any Vietnamese offensive, the use of special forces was very wide.

Although strictly formally the date of foundation of the “Duck Kong” was 19 of March 1967 of the year, in fact, these special forces grew out of units that, with sudden raids without heavy weapons, cut out French strongholds during the First War in Indochina. It was during the 1948-1950 years that the foundation for what later became the "Duck Kong" - troops consisting of extremely well trained and motivated to fight people with amazing personal courage. It was in the war with the French that Dak Kong Bo appeared — army special forces in the usual sense, and Duck Kong Nuok — combat swimmers. And also - “Duck Kong beats the dong” - specially trained underground saboteurs, capable of waging a guerrilla warfare without external support for years and focused mainly on operations in the urban environment.

In 1963, in one of the Dak Kong military units, 27-year-old activist and patriot Lam Song Nao received training on the program of such a unit.

Nao was a native of Saigon. He left to work in 17 years to save himself from the poverty in which his family was. Many of his relatives were killed by the French, which gave rise to hatred of foreign occupiers among the young man. From his youth, he supported the Viet Cong and the idea of ​​uniting Vietnam under Vietnamese authority, and as soon as he had such an opportunity, he joined this organization. Next was sending to saboteurs courses and the hardest combat training at Duck Kong.

Soon he again ended up in Saigon, where his parents still lived, and fell into one of the units subordinate to the command of the Saigon district organization of the Viet Cong - Saigon-Gia-Dinh. This unit was the 65 group of special operations — in fact, several specially trained volunteers, such as Nao, who were subordinate to Saigon-Gia-Dinh. Nao, as a person who received special training, was appointed its commander. The detachment was supposed to conduct reconnaissance and sabotage in the port of Saigon, where Nao's father worked. His father helped him get into the port. Thanks to this, Nao was able to freely move around the port.

According to the instructions of the command, it was intelligence that was the main task of the group, of which Nao was a part, but soon the plans changed

In the fall of 1963, the command decided to undermine the Coor. The former aircraft carrier was to unload at the end of the 1963 of the year, and Nao, who received orders to carry out this combat mission, began to work out a plan of operation. He had to design and produce a mine for himself. The idea of ​​the operation was to undermine the ship in the port, which was supposed to give a good propaganda effect, to complicate the enemy’s supply, at least temporarily and could kill someone. In the case of extreme luck, the cargo could also be damaged. The mine was heavy and huge, more than 80 kilogram of weight, equipped with trinitrotoluene. For little Vietnamese, such a weight was an almost unsolvable problem, and Nao was forced to involve a fighter trained by him named Nguyen Van Kai in the operation. The latter was to help him drag the charges to the ship, and then Nao, who had undergone special training, could install them himself.

But how to get to the ship? Security usually blocked all approaches to these transport, which is vital for the South Vietnamese authorities. Vietnamese workers at loading were carefully inspected. And in general, the port was full of soldiers and security guards - it was unrealistic to drag along with almost ninety kilograms of explosives. In addition, the district command wanted none of the Vietnamese workers to die in the blast. This additionally complicated the operation, requiring it to be carried out at night, when there were no extra people in the port.

Nao was looking for a way to deliver bombs to the water. Everything in water would be simple, but the path to water was a problem.

And again the father helped - he drew the attention of his son to the fact that a two-kilometer sewer tunnel passes through the port area. Nao carried out a reconnaissance of the tunnel and found out that it really can be reached with cargo to the water.

But again, not without problems. Unlike household sewage, this tunnel was used for industrial wastewater and was filled with chemically aggressive waste. It was possible to breathe there for some time, but a chemical burn was inevitable if dirt got into the eyes of the tunnel.

And, as luck would have it, part of the path had to be overcome by diving into this aggressive slurry. Of course, if you close your eyes tightly, and then wipe them somehow and somehow, then there were chances, but on the whole, the risks went off scale already at the stage of delivering bombs to the target.

However, there was no other way to bypass the guard.

Nao carefully considered another weak point in his plan - the delivery of mines to the port in principle. It was theoretically possible to carry it into the territory without inspection, but it was impossible to predict whether the search would be. There was already pure luck, but he wanted to take a chance.

Three times he conducted reconnaissance of the tunnels to make sure that everything worked out, and finally he was able to convince the command that his plan was real. Soon, his first combat operation was approved.

First approach


On December 29 of 1963 of the year, in the early evening, Nao and Kai secretly pulled bombs into the tunnel and moved towards the river. They managed to get to the water unnoticed. Nao set the timers in the bombs on 19: 00, by then there were no workers on the ship. Secretly and quietly, they brought explosives to the side of the ship, and Nao, trained to handle mines, mounted them on his hull. No less secretive fighters returned back. The tension among the saboteurs was growing, they were expecting the ship to be blown up, their first combat success, and now the time, and ... nothing happens. At all.

It was a failure. Nao knew that sooner or later they would inspect the ship underwater - most likely when they entered the first American port. Not only will the mine fall into the hands of the Americans and allow them to get some intelligence, but the fact that the 65 group will act in the port will become clear. That would be a disaster.

Nao that day, apparently, was glad that the mine was installed in the evening, because he had a whole night to correct the error. Soon after the explosion he wanted did not occur, he was on his way back to the ship. In complete darkness, Nao found a whole mine on the hull. Now it had to be deactivated and removed. Nao recalled:
“I was considering two options. The first is that the bomb will explode when I throne it and I die. That was acceptable. The second - I’ll be caught with explosives. And I was afraid of that. ”


Oddly enough, but nothing happened. The mine was detached from the ship and pulled out to a safe place through the tunnel. Moreover, Nao and Kai were able to take her back from the port.

Some minus was that Kai still caught toxic dirt in his eyes, and it was not clear how it would end for him.

Soon, the Coor was leaving for a new load of weapons to kill the Vietnamese, and Nao was forced to look at it.


The Kour loads the Skyrader attack aircraft onto a barge in the port of Saigon. 1965


No special disciplinary action was taken against him: it turned out that the mines had low-quality batteries in the timers. Soon this problem was solved, and Nao began to plan a new attack.

I had to wait a long four months. But finally, one of the agents of the Viet Cong in the port, Do Thoan, informed Nao the arrival date of the next transport, Karda. The ship was to stand at the berth 1 on May 1964.

Impact on air transport "Card"


Kai's vision problems have not disappeared. He could see, but there was no question of using him in special operations. Fortunately, he was not the only one Nao taught. Instead, he went another fighter - Nguyen Phu Hung, known among his own under the shortened nickname Hai Hung.

Now Nao was more careful in planning. There shouldn’t be mistakes; Americans will not be careless forever.

As promised To Doan, the ship came to Saigon 1 May 1964 year.

This time, Nao thought out everything much better.

First, a safer route for delivering bombs to the tunnel was chosen. Nao and Hung were supposed to deliver mines in a boat on the river. The river was controlled by the river police, but, firstly, these people, like everyone who worked for the Saigon regime, were corrupt, and secondly, in some places the boat could be driven into swamps where a police boat would not go. With all the risks, it was safer than rushing into the port with explosive devices openly, like last time. A certain risk was in bringing mines to the descent into the tunnel, but Nao and Hung planned to imitate the fact that they were doing some work in the tunnel.

Secondly, Nao remade mines - now there are two of them, one with an American explosive, C-4, and this time Nao knew for sure that they were working.

On the morning of May 2 of 1964, the Card was under load. The day before, he unloaded military supplies for the South Vietnamese army, and now he took on board old helicopters to send them to the United States for repair.

Then in the morning, Nao and Hung, loading mines on the boat, slowly sailed on it along the Saigon River towards the harbor.

Near the Tu-Tiem Peninsula, a police boat chased after them. Fortunately, the shores in this place were swampy and Nao pushed the boat into the reeds, where the boat could not enter. The truth and the Viet Cong are now trapped.


Ho Chi Minh (formerly Saigon). View of the Tu Tiem Peninsula today. And then there was just a swamp, however, it is clear that it is not drained to the end. Port - Right


The police, seeing two ragged men, demanded to explain who they were and where they were going, and also to bring the boat out into the open water for a search. A critical moment has come in the whole operation.

But the saboteurs this time smiled luck. Nao was immediately able to convince the police of his legend, which was the next.

They, Nao and Hung are port thieves. According to them, an American ship is standing in port under unloading. They want to steal 20 radios and clothes for sale from him.

The police did not think for a long time. Under the promise of sharing prey with them on the way back, Nao received permission to sail further, but one of the police officers jumped into the boat, saying that he would watch that the thieves did not “throw” them after the theft and share the prey. Nao had two options. The first is to kill this policeman a little later. The second is to try to give him a bribe so that he leaves. Nao said the load would be heavy, and because of the extra passenger in the boat, they would not be able to take out everything that they planned. But he, Nao, is ready to give an “advance” to the 1000 of the Vietnamese Dong so that the boat can be passed on without a passenger on board. If the police did not agree, they would have to kill one of them, but they agreed. The money was given immediately, and the police warned that he would meet them at the exit from the port. It was luck, and saboteurs took full advantage of it.

Nobody hindered them further, and everything went according to plan. Swamps, the outskirts of the port, a smelly sewer, again chemically aggressive dirt, water ... Nao, who did not want to fail, sailed to the ship for reconnaissance to check if there was an ambush on their way, and Hung remained with mines in the sewer. Then Nao returned and in the next swim the saboteurs had already gone with their deadly cargo.

This time, Nao, who understood that it would take a lot more time to leave the operation site, set the timer to 3 at one in the morning. This gave them a reserve of time in case of problems with the departure.

And there were minor problems - the police, waiting for the "thieves" with the booty intercepted their boat, as they were going to. But there were no stolen radios and bags of things. The boat was empty. Nao simply guiltily spread his hands and said that nothing happened. Having overshadowed the allegedly unlucky thieves a bit, the police released them, content with the previously received one thousand dongs.

The time calculation turned out to be accurate. Nao returned home only in 2.45. And in 3.00, as planned, there was a booming explosion in the port of Saigon.

The next morning, Nao and Hung came to work, as if nothing had happened.

Aftermath


The explosion punched an 3,7x0,91 meter hole in the Karda’s board, damaged cable routes and pipelines, and also led to flooding of the engine room. Despite the very rapid start of the survivability struggle on the part of the crew, the amount of water taken on board led to the ship's feed leaving 15 meters deep underwater and sinking to the bottom. Part of the cargo was damaged. Regarding the losses, American sources give conflicting data - from several wounded to five dead civilians.

The restoration of the Karda’s buoyancy took 17 days, after which a couple of US rescue ships that specially arrived in Saigon began transporting it to Subic Bay, the Philippines, where it was to be repaired. Kard could return to flights only in December 1964, after about seven months. The costs of lifting and repairing it were very serious.


"Card" in the morning after the explosion


For two young people, only one of whom received military training in the real troops, this was a success.

The Americans understood that the propaganda effect of this operation would be very useful for the Viet Cong and harmful for them, so they did everything possible to hide information about what had happened. When it became impossible to hide it, the US Navy admitted that there was a diversion in the port, and one of the American ships was damaged.

It is worth saying that the Americans later thoroughly investigated this sabotage and introduced security measures that made the repetition of such sabotage impossible.




American article on Cow unloading precautions. These measures were introduced after the undermining of Karda.


The Vietnamese, on the other hand, promoted the operation in full. Vietnamese the news and reports said that the saboteurs of the "Southern Liberation Army" no more, no less than the sinking of an American aircraft carrier, the first after the Japanese in World War II.

The truth was in the middle, as usual. The ship sank, but did not drown, its damage was not fatal, but significant, and yes, it was technically still an aircraft carrier, it was just used a long time ago as a non-combat vehicle, however, very important at that particular moment.


Vietnamese postage stamp dedicated to sabotage on the "Card"


Lam Song Nao heard on the radio how Ho Chi Minh and Nguyen Wo Ziap noted this operation, and Nao was very proud of what and how he had done this time. Before the Tonkin incident, which entailed US open intervention in a sluggish intra-Vietnamese conflict, and its transformation into a nightmare war in all of Indochina with millions of dead, carpet bombing, defoliants burned by forests and hundreds of millions of unexploded bombs, mines and shells left behind Asian "forces of good." At the time of the Karda explosion, the war had not even really begun. But except the White House and the Pentagon, no one knew about this yet ...

Lam Song Nao continued his service as a saboteur. In 1967, a South Vietnamese counterintelligence agent spotted him and he was arrested. The next five years of his life he spent in prison, in custody, periodically diluted with languid and stupid, no less painful torture. No information was obtained from it.


Lam Song Nao in 1981 year, gives an interview to the American TV channel


In 1973, he was released, and he returned to his old occupation. His last operation was the capture of an intact bridge across the Saigon River on 29 on April 1975 of the year, along which the Vietnamese troops marched directly to the Palace of Independence, the place of work of the South Vietnamese president. Nao commanded a special group that captured the bridge and disarmed his guards. However, in those days, few in his native Saigon really wanted to resist.


The end of the war. Vietnamese soldiers and Tanks in the "Palace of Independence", the captives on the ground are also Vietnamese, only southern. A day earlier, these troops crossed the bridge captured by the Lam Song Nao group


The explosion of the Kard air transport itself was of neither strategic nor operational significance. By and large, for the American military machine it was an injection. But out of the tens of thousands of such injections, in the final analysis, there was the victory of Vietnam in its long and fierce war for its final independence.


Lam Song Nao gives an interview to Viet Nam News in his house in Ho Chi Minh, 2015
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Wikipedia commons, US Navy, USNI, combatreform.org, wwiiafterwwii, WGBH Educational Foundation, Viet Nam News, leasing.huttons.com.vn
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  1. andrewkor
    andrewkor 4 November 2019 06: 30 New
    15
    There’s just no words, what a hero! That's interesting, but do the Vietnamese themselves make films about their heroes?
    Legendary person!
    1. cost
      cost 4 November 2019 07: 36 New
      11
      andrewkor (Andrey Korchuganov): Just no words, what a hero!

      Totally agree with you
      Nao recalled: “I was considering two options. The first is that the bomb will explode when I throne it and I die. That was acceptable. The second - I’ll be caught with explosives. And I was afraid of that. ”
  2. svp67
    svp67 4 November 2019 06: 50 New
    12
    A bold operation, but really more for propaganda. And so, the fighters of the Vietnamese special forces are certainly HEROES, defending their land and ideals.
  3. kalibr
    kalibr 4 November 2019 07: 32 New
    11
    Very well written stuff!
  4. antivirus
    antivirus 4 November 2019 07: 47 New
    +3
    each contributed less than a small spoon and defeated the USA
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 4 November 2019 13: 14 New
      +8
      Nehren himself a "little spoon"! Let the aircraft carrier damage the old and the export one, but it’s still worth a lot!
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 5 November 2019 01: 42 New
        +3
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        Damage the aircraft carrier, let the old and export,

        Escort....
  5. tlauicol
    tlauicol 4 November 2019 07: 48 New
    +9
    the details of this story are just super! detective story, finished script!
    1. vladcub
      vladcub 4 November 2019 20: 56 New
      +2
      I agree with a small clarification: this is not a detective story, but a script for a good blockbuster.
  6. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 4 November 2019 08: 44 New
    +2
    Very, very entertaining! Thank you very much!)))
  7. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 4 November 2019 09: 21 New
    +1
    I wonder who trained the Vietnamese commandos, the Americans seemed to be fighting dolphins to counter the Vietnamese fighting swimmers used in southern Vietnam, an article plus
  8. bubalik
    bubalik 4 November 2019 11: 19 New
    +9
    once hunted for German submarines in the Atlantic,
    ... the most productive tactical group in the Atlantic, led by CARD CVE-11. From August 1943 to July, 1944 was sunk by 11 submarines.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 4 November 2019 14: 23 New
      +5
      Sergey, I don’t remember exactly, but in my opinion these escort escorts as the Kaiser project were offered to the fleet by some private shipbuilding company. And one of them was sunk by a German submarine, I don't remember the number or the commander. In fact, I had to manage to do this: the game turned into a hunter.
      1. bubalik
        bubalik 4 November 2019 14: 41 New
        +7
        game turned into a hunter.

        USS Block Island (CVE-21) 29 on May 1944 was sunk by torpedoes of the U-549 submarine, which was able to undetected pass the guard destroyer system. The first torpedo hit the ship in 20.13, then another 2 hit followed. The boat fired as a whole 4 torpedoes, one of which hit the Barr destroyer, causing severe damage to it. The submarine was then sunk by other destroyers.
        Why these escort escorts as the "Kaiser" project were offered to the fleet by some private
        ,,, based on transport vessels of type C-3.
      2. bubalik
        bubalik 4 November 2019 19: 52 New
        +5
        ,,, well, the Japanese drowned them yet, the most mysterious is the death of HMS Dasher (D37) among the British on 27 on March 1943. KILLED, 379 of 528 crew members. The government of that time, trying to avoid moral damage and trying to avoid any hint of faulty American construction, tried to conceal this event.The local media were ordered not to make any mention of the tragedy, and the authorities ordered to bury the dead in an unnamed mass grave.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 4 November 2019 21: 40 New
          +3
          Is this also a submarine? I didn’t know anything about this incident. Strange, there are a lot of dead. Can only be compared with the death of "Indianapolis" or "Juneau".
          1. bubalik
            bubalik 4 November 2019 22: 16 New
            +4
            Catfish
            Today, 22


            ,,, the official version, the explosion caused by the ignition of gasoline vapors.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 5 November 2019 10: 34 New
              +2
              And what, such losses without any influence of the enemy ?! Well, the British ... request
              1. bubalik
                bubalik 5 November 2019 11: 08 New
                +4
                Sea Cat (Constantine) Today, 11: 34

                On Saturday, March 27 1943, flight exercises were conducted with the aircraft of the two squadrons 816 and 891, preparing for a night torpedo attack on the German warship Tirpitz in Norway. In 16: 40, the ship’s commander, Captain Boswell, announced that the flights were completed today. Soon after, a huge explosion occurred. ,,, a two-ton ship elevator flew 60 feet into the air before falling into the sea behind the ship. DASHER swayed drunkenly before settling in the stern, began to draw water. The engines stopped, the electricity was cut off, the rooms under the decks plunged into darkness. The elevator shaft spewed out thick black smoke and flames. People began to jump overboard into cold water. Spilled fuel oil and gasoline burned. what
                The loss of HMS Dasher was kept secret until 1945.
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 5 November 2019 11: 20 New
                  +3
                  Thank you, Sergey. Obviously, no matter how you prepare for such accidents, everything will go wrong anyway. The Germans should have recorded this escort at the expense of "Tirpitz", albeit indirectly, but he is still involved in this.
                  1. bubalik
                    bubalik 10 November 2019 13: 51 New
                    +4
                    Sea Cat (Constantine) November 5 2019 12: 20

                    HMS Courageous "The Courageous"

                    , a British battlecruiser later converted to an aircraft carrier.
                    17 September 1939 was attacked by the German submarine U-29

                    and after 15 minutes he sank, taking with him to the bottom 518 sailors.


                    The first warship sunk in World War II.
                    1. Catfish
                      Catfish 10 November 2019 13: 57 New
                      +1
                      Thank you Sergey.
                      I know about the sinking of Coridjays, of course, but I see these photos for the first time. Interestingly, the bottom, this case is not a painting?
                      And somehow whose work with drowning, not Hugenberger's case, has already been forgotten?
                      1. bubalik
                        bubalik 10 November 2019 14: 06 New
                        +5
                        Adolf Conrad Walter Bock is a German marine painter.

                      2. Catfish
                        Catfish 10 November 2019 14: 17 New
                        +2
                        I found here, too, an expressive canvas depicting the attack on the Bismarck in Alten Fjord. But I don't know the artist's name.
                      3. Phil77
                        Phil77 10 November 2019 14: 43 New
                        +1
                        Konstantin! What are you talking about? A raid on * Tirpitz *. hi
                      4. Catfish
                        Catfish 10 November 2019 14: 49 New
                        +1
                        Well, of course on the "Tirpitz" - that's how it jumped! laughing
                      5. bubalik
                        bubalik 10 November 2019 14: 54 New
                        +4
                        as it jumped
                        ,,, Konstantin checks wink
                        Phil77
                        Today
                        Catfish
                        Today, 15:

                        ,,, mosquitoes, tell me what kind of way on the Wellington bomber request
                      6. Catfish
                        Catfish 10 November 2019 15: 01 New
                        +2
                        Isn't Wellington with four motors? And the device - the devil only knows, either a radar (which is unlikely), or some kind of magnetometer. We need to ask Vik Nikolaich about this, he probably knows.
                      7. bubalik
                        bubalik 10 November 2019 15: 04 New
                        +4
                        ,,, to the picture the signature was that Wellington what , by the way, picture, from the same series as the Tirpitz bombing
                        Honestly, the first time I see such aircraft.
                      8. Phil77
                        Phil77 10 November 2019 15: 06 New
                        +1
                        Sergey! Closer to the body, what is this? Answer to the studio!
                      9. bubalik
                        bubalik 10 November 2019 15: 08 New
                        +4
                        ,,, you think I'm hiding fool I want to know what kind of futuristic plane.
                      10. Phil77
                        Phil77 10 November 2019 15: 15 New
                        +1
                        There is such a photo !!! This is really a magnetometer !!!
                      11. Catfish
                        Catfish 10 November 2019 15: 22 New
                        +2
                        In, damn it, and whatever they adapt to kill the neighbor. And talented people! drinks
                  2. Catfish
                    Catfish 10 November 2019 15: 15 New
                    +2
                    Rather, it’s still a magnetometer, though I’m not very good at these matters. request
                  3. bubalik
                    bubalik 10 November 2019 15: 17 New
                    +4
                    ,,, it’s like they flew and anomalies ,, submarines ,, discovered? like on VO about such designs have not been written anywhere whatauthors' omissions am
                  4. Phil77
                    Phil77 10 November 2019 15: 20 New
                    +3
                    Anomalies in the form of surface ships.
                  5. Catfish
                    Catfish 10 November 2019 15: 20 New
                    +2
                    And the devil only knows, I'm talking to Vik Nikolaich to ask. Write to him in a personal, he is an obligatory person and will answer on the merits, otherwise we will guess here until the "carovkin spell". smile
                  6. timokhin-aa
                    12 November 2019 19: 33 New
                    +4
                    This is a plane for initiating the detonation of bottom and anchor mines activated by the magnetic field of the ship. Flying minesweeper. A circle is a winding powered by an airplane generator. Electromagnet.
                  7. Catfish
                    Catfish 12 November 2019 20: 06 New
                    +2
                    Thank you, Alexander. Now I remembered that somewhere once I read about this air minesweeper. hi
                  8. bubalik
                    bubalik 12 November 2019 20: 20 New
                    +6
                    Flying minesweeper
                    in how, to go nuts belay didn't even hear about it request

                    ,,, and the Germans had such ?! belay
      3. Catfish
        Catfish 10 November 2019 15: 08 New
        +1
        Here is another one from the same series, either Casablanca, or Dakar. British bookcases attack the French. I don’t remember what kind of battleship is depicted, "Dunkirk" or "Richelieu".
      4. Phil77
        Phil77 10 November 2019 15: 17 New
        +2
        And by the way, these * whatnots * and during the sinking * Bismarck * played a role!
    2. Oberon_13
      Oberon_13 15 November 2019 00: 42 New
      +1
      About two engines, this is most likely Beaufort or a marine modification of Bofayter. Wellington were four-engine.
  9. Oberon_13
    Oberon_13 15 November 2019 00: 18 New
    +1
    On Wellington, a device that causes the detonation of magnetic mines. The Germans later also had such a device. In this pipe, that around the plane, several turns of cable are laid. A kind of electromagnet coil. Periodically, a current impulse passed through the coil, causing a mine to be detonated by magnetic action.
  10. Phil77
    Phil77 10 November 2019 14: 56 New
    +1
    By and large, the difference is only in the name, the class of the ships is still * Bismarck *. Almost the same story as the * Olympic * class liners, and the most famous of the three is all the same * Titanic *.
  11. Catfish
    Catfish 10 November 2019 14: 58 New
    +1
    Yes, but reluctance to be mistaken. request
  12. Phil77
    Phil77 10 November 2019 15: 11 New
    +1
    In the picture- * Lancaster *!
  13. Catfish
    Catfish 10 November 2019 15: 17 New
    +1
    There is one more, here for sure, the hunt for the "Bismarck" from the "Royal Ark".
  • Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 5 November 2019 17: 57 New
    +2
    Quote: Sea Cat
    Sergey, I don’t remember exactly, but in my opinion these escort escorts as the Kaiser project were offered to the fleet by some private shipbuilding company.

    Card is a Bogue AVE. The very first type of serial AVE.
    Behind it was the Sangamon class (from tankers), and only then - the Casablanca class from the Kaiser (50 AVE in less than two years).
  • bubalik
    bubalik 4 November 2019 11: 26 New
    +7
    Perhaps in Japan, Germany in the Philippines or in South Vietnam, where they also served


    Bremerhaven, Germany, 1962.
  • Xenofont
    Xenofont 4 November 2019 12: 02 New
    +4
    The article is interesting, but the Author thoughtlessly uses the word "Vietcong", which the Americans invented as an insult to the enemy and in translation means "Vietnamese monkeys". The context is important.
    1. Freeman
      Freeman 4 November 2019 16: 00 New
      +3
      Quote: Xenofont
      The article is interesting, but the author uses the word thoughtlessly "Vietcong"that the Americans came up with as an insult to the enemy and translated meaning "Vietnamese monkeys". Context is important.


      Other sources do not agree with you.

      The name itself is "Vietkong" (short for Việt Nam Cộng Sản - “Vietnamese Communist”) appeared in the second half of the 1950's. Initially, the pro-government media in South Vietnam called it any opposition Ngo Dinh Dyemu.
      / wiki /
      1. Xenofont
        Xenofont 4 November 2019 20: 02 New
        0
        I accept your version, but can there really be doubts about my version, given the attitude of the Americans towards the enemy? On the similarity of sound you can go far.
        1. garri-lin
          garri-lin 4 November 2019 21: 22 New
          +1
          Check out what Kong is.
        2. Freeman
          Freeman 4 November 2019 21: 54 New
          +2
          Quote: Xenofont
          I accept your version, but can there really be doubts about my version, given the attitude of the Americans towards the enemy? On the similarity of sound you can go far.

          The doubts about your version are really big, since "monkey" in English is "decoy", not "kong".
          For information, given the attitude of Americans to the enemy.
          - contemptuous nickname - "gook".
          - more neutral - "vi-si" or "charlie".
          Shl. "Sleeper" is not mine. hi
          1. dmmyak40
            dmmyak40 5 November 2019 00: 52 New
            0
            In English, 'monkey' is a simple monkey with a tail - monkeys, macaques, etc. Anthropoids are 'ape', gorillas, chimpanzees, orangutans.
            Look, the name of the hero of the film is King Kong (King Kong is the king of the monkeys, for example). Agree, there is reason to believe that Kong may well mean "monkey".
            1. Sasha_rulevoy
              Sasha_rulevoy 5 November 2019 03: 58 New
              +8
              Many years ago I asked the same question to a retired American special forces officer. In Vietnam, he was thrown into the rear of the Vietnamese on the Path. He said unequivocally that there was no other meaning besides the Vietnamese communist. I asked how to distinguish it from King Kong? He said: they have different "k".
  • Edward Vashchenko
    Edward Vashchenko 4 November 2019 12: 04 New
    +4
    Great article! Thank you so much
  • Catfish
    Catfish 4 November 2019 12: 07 New
    +9
    Great article! The author is a big plus, and our sincere admiration for the Vietnamese comrades! Such a clear slap in the face of a great American uncle!
    The most interesting thing is that the Vietnamese combat swimmers carried out this action without using any special equipment. I mean self-contained breathing apparatus and other equipment, and this arouses even greater respect for their courage and professionalism, because the explosives were attached to the underwater part of the ship's hull. And the place of installation is well chosen - the area of ​​the engine room, not just "anyhow where to put it"
    I have some hope that, on the basis of special training in North Vietnam, our military specialists were involved in the training of Vietnamese fighters, I have no information, but I would really like to.
    PS, I scratched the term "Vietcong" a little - it's purely American slang.
    The Vietnamese called their resistance forces "Viet Minh".
    Maybe they should be called as they called themselves. hi
    1. bubalik
      bubalik 4 November 2019 13: 20 New
      +3
      hi
      explosives were attached to the underwater hull of the ship.
      ,,, I suppose that the explosives were attached above the waterline and the question is? how without improvised means they dragged along 40 kg of centuries? most likely in a canoe and sailed to board.
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 4 November 2019 13: 41 New
        +3
        Sergey, hello. hi And the canoe is from somewhere, in Vietnam they are not, tea is not Polynesia. And to fix it outside is a bad idea, at least there was some kind of shift on the ship, war nevertheless. And to pull together 40 kg of explosives together is not such a problem, in water the weight of any object decreases several times; for example, scuba gear on the back is not felt at all.
        1. bubalik
          bubalik 4 November 2019 13: 49 New
          +6
          Well, not a canoe., and their boats are so light, Roy Boehm (one of the founders of fur seals) when he examined Card, as part of the divers, found the remains after the explosion and stated that this was their specialized explosive charge used by divers of the US Navy, which was stolen from his own unit of the South Vietnamese Navy by a group of deserters. Here is such a detective belay
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 4 November 2019 14: 06 New
            +3
            The Vietnamese could not carry a lot of equipment with them, the police also searched them. I wonder how they dragged the explosives. Desperate guys! good
          2. vladcub
            vladcub 4 November 2019 21: 05 New
            +2
            Sergei, actually the author writes: "one with American C-4 explosives."
            1. bubalik
              bubalik 4 November 2019 21: 08 New
              +3
              ,,, yes, but that's how she got to them repeat
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 5 November 2019 10: 20 New
                +1
                Corruption sir! soldier
              2. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 5 November 2019 17: 58 New
                +1
                Quote: bubalik
                ,,, yes, but that's how she got to them repeat

                In a country where police officers let robbers go to the place of robbery for a share in the booty? wink
                1. timokhin-aa
                  5 November 2019 18: 40 New
                  +2
                  They said they would rob the farang, and that’s another matter. laughing
                  Well, or whatever the Americans were called ...
        2. Phil77
          Phil77 4 November 2019 16: 38 New
          +2
          Hello everyone! I’ll try to answer: the Vietnamese special forces grew out of the special forces of the French foreign legion, that is, it included former soldiers of these units (fought on both sides of the front), * Duck Kong * -they were called. The boats were called-thung tea, very similar to their national hats. That's something like that. Have a nice pre-work evening, friends! hi
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 4 November 2019 19: 37 New
            -1
            Hi Sergey hi Do you think our specialists did not have a hand in the preparation of Vietnamese comrades?
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 4 November 2019 20: 30 New
              +1
              Greetings to Konstantin! Ours began to arrive there from July 65, a little late. And it was the French who prepared the Vietnamese special equipment (as it turned out, their head, albeit partially).
            2. timokhin-aa
              5 November 2019 11: 31 New
              +1
              We learned a lot from them ourselves.
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 5 November 2019 11: 43 New
                0
                This is natural and would be strange if it were different. hi
                1. timokhin-aa
                  5 November 2019 11: 59 New
                  +3
                  I read what shock the training of Vietnamese caused for our specialists.

                  And what could we teach them? This is Vieta, the nightmare of Asia, they have been at war for centuries.

                  We taught them to work with our equipment, organize headquarters, communications, fly, etc.

                  But you don’t need to teach them to sneak up and cut their throats, they themselves will teach anyone this.
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 5 November 2019 12: 36 New
                    +1
                    Everything is correct, but I just had in mind the purely technical side of things. It is unlikely that our friends knew how to properly install explosives in order to probably sink a ship like an aircraft carrier, albeit a former, albeit an escort.
                    Yes, and about "cutting throats", here they could definitely teach anyone. I read one of our journalists that the partisans boiled some local poisonous nettle and used it for disguise. The Yankees walked around this nettles for ten meters, and then received a surprise in the back. In my opinion Pozhenyan wrote about this, but I'm not sure.
          2. bubalik
            bubalik 4 November 2019 19: 41 New
            +7
            The boats were called-thung tea, tidy such
            ,, well, I said so, what almost laughing
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 4 November 2019 20: 33 New
              +4
              Quote: bubalik
              The boats were called-thung tea, tidy such
              ,, well, I said so, what almost laughing

              Hello Sergey! The boat is too big for such specific operations, but for a landing (limited contingent), well, that’s it! good hi
            2. vladcub
              vladcub 4 November 2019 21: 12 New
              +3
              Sergey, thanks for the photo: as a child I saw these photos. I don't remember where I saw it, but I remember this photo and the caption: "a group of Vietnamese fighters" it seems like this
          3. Vivan
            Vivan 7 November 2019 06: 50 New
            +1
            If you think that the name “Duck Kong” comes from “Dark Kong” (black monkey or something like that), then you are mistaken. The Vietnamese name “Đặc công” is an abbreviation of “Công tác đặc biệt” = “Special (specific) tasks”.
    2. vladcub
      vladcub 4 November 2019 21: 31 New
      +2
      You are almost right: then our emigrants helped the Vietnamese. It may well be that there was such a specialist
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 5 November 2019 10: 33 New
        +1
        Very nice, because here some individuals are constantly rolling a "balloon" on our emigrants. smile
        1. vladcub
          vladcub 5 November 2019 18: 40 New
          +3
          They are used to seeing the world in black and white, and it consists of many shades.
          There is a book on the net: Okorokov: "Undeclared Wars of the Soviet Union" and there is how we helped the Vietnamese. I can't find it right now, but there is a mention of such people. Ho Chi Minh himself was busy with someone.
          If you find it, I assure you: you will not regret it. There, China and Libya, Egypt and Afghanistan, and about Israel, are examined in detail
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 5 November 2019 19: 58 New
            +1
            Thank you, Svyatoslav, I will definitely find and read it. And then all the information from publications in the media of those times, but from my friend, who went "se" on a dry cargo ship and dragged cargo to Haiphong.
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 5 November 2019 19: 21 New
          +1
          Quote: Sea Cat
          Very nice, because here some individuals are constantly rolling a "balloon" on our emigrants. smile

          These individuals simply never heard of the 30 Xinjiang, where the White Guards, Red Army and Chekists merged in a touching unity. smile
    3. Vivan
      Vivan 5 November 2019 00: 54 New
      15
      I am a Vietnamese, I am 63 of the year. From an early age I am fond of history and geography, as well as military issues. I consider it my duty to put an end to the dispute between Russian readers regarding the terms “Vietmin” and “Vietkong”.
      “Vietnam” is the abbreviation of the organization “Việt Nam độc lập đồng minh hội” (“Vietnam Independence League”). This organization was created in 1941 by the Communist Party of Vietnam to attract the masses to the common struggle of the Vietnamese against the French colonialists. For the Vietnamese of those years, “Vietmin” is an organization uniting all patriots (famous leaders of the intelligentsia and the national bourgeoisie were present in the leadership of Vietnam, however, the real power was in the hands of the Communists). After gaining independence (9 / 1945 g), the Communist Party announced its dissolution and went underground until the final withdrawal of France from Vietnam (1955 g). In a word, Vietnam ceased to exist in 1955.
      The term “Vietkong” (short for “Việt Nam cộng sản” = “Vietnamese Communists”) was coined by the South Vietnamese dictator Ngô Dinh Diệm in 1959 to denote all those who supported the ideas of socialism. This term has nothing to do with monkeys or some kind of Hollywood Kong.

      To summarize: “Vietnam” is the organization operating in the 1941-1955 years, and “Vietnam” is the name used mainly by the South Vietnamese authorities in the 1959-1975 years.
      1. Sasha_rulevoy
        Sasha_rulevoy 5 November 2019 04: 00 New
        +1
        Thank. And how did the partisans self-name themselves?
        1. Vivan
          Vivan 5 November 2019 06: 28 New
          +5
          The majority of the population (and the fighters themselves) call the partisans du kích ([zukik] = partisans) and giải phóng quân ([zayfongkuan] = liberation army).
      2. Catfish
        Catfish 5 November 2019 10: 23 New
        +3
        Thanks for the clarification, I did not know such details about "Viet Minh". hi
  • Region-25.rus
    Region-25.rus 4 November 2019 13: 50 New
    +7
    oh .. familiar places


    in the left corner of the shipyard) We were there in 2004, they were under repair)))
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 4 November 2019 14: 04 New
      +1
      Vladimir, and not at the same plant, did you patch up the "Card" before sending it to Subic Bay? hi
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 4 November 2019 21: 10 New
        +3
        Wonderful article, well, that I learned about the Vietnamese heroes!
  • demo
    demo 5 November 2019 22: 17 New
    +7
    During my youth as a student, I met three Vietnamese.
    We were together in one international studio. detachment.
    The first day is a day of acquaintance.
    There were three Lebanese.
    One Syrian.
    One African.
    Four Cubans.
    Three Vietnamese.
    And we are the entire international of the USSR.
    The Lebanese fled three days later at night.
    The rest plowed like hell.
    There were misunderstandings.
    Cubans flatly refused to sit at the same table with the African.
    Our commissioner was spinning like a frying pan.
    Barely calmed down.

    There was a reconstruction of the pigsties.
    The work is dirty and hard.
    And when I looked at these Vietnamese boys, my heart was bleeding.
    They raised two buckets with solution, raised, raised !!!! Hands extended, and buckets did not come off the ground.
    In each, kilograms of 50 live weight.
    And here we find out that they transfer all 100% of earnings to the Ho Chi Minh fund.
    We have a shock!
    We take all of our 100 to ourselves!
    At one point, the guys showed themselves.
    It was necessary to remove the concrete pillar from the ground.
    Together with my fellow countryman, we tinkered for half an hour.
    Well, no matter how.
    The Vietnamese came up and kicked him out of the ground.
    This was the first call.
    And the second was even more revealing.
    Pigsty - a place of accumulation of rats.
    When raising the floor, all this evil with a squeak rushes through the aisles.
    And one was held up.
    And runs the last.
    One of the Vietnamese stood with his back to the aisle.
    In the hands of scrap.
    The tip of the scrap above.
    And the shoulder blade is below.
    His name was Lon.
    I shouted to him - Rat!
    So, with this crowbar, he turned his neck to that rat exactly half a turn.
    A scrap of kilograms 15 weight.
    10 minutes, we looked at him silently.
    And here is the day of all construction teams - the Day of the Virgin Lands.
    Tables are laid on the ground (to not fall high).
    Vodka, beer and snacks.
    We are at the table with these Vietnamese.
    Drink moderately.
    But all the same, the languages ​​got loose.
    And it turned out interesting.
    These "boys" are not boys at all, but uncles of 40-45 years old.
    And each of 5-7 years of sabotage and positional warfare in the ranks of the Viet Cong.
    One was captured by the Americans.
    He showed his back and marks from the knitting needles with which the Yankees pierced him.
    Respect and honor to such men.
    Although later, their fellow countrymen, who worked in our city on the KBC and KSK, very quickly learned to imitate attempts to rape them by taxi drivers.
    One "family", but a different approach to morality.
    Finally.
    That we are Russians, that Americans, for the Vietnamese - pale-faced monkeys.
    1. Captain45
      Captain45 6 November 2019 18: 37 New
      +3
      Quote: demo
      And it turned out interesting.
      These "boys" are not boys at all, but uncles of 40-45 years old.
      And each of 5-7 years of sabotage and positional warfare in the ranks of the Viet Cong.

      In the 90s, Vietnamese merchants appeared in one of the northern cities of Russia, well, the local lads and decided to withdraw a small share from them. The merchants refused, the lads scored a "arrow" for them and decided to explain "by concepts" that the hucksters owe them, like land collective farm. A brigade of 15 racketeers arrived at the "arrow" and 7-8 Vietnamese traders approached. And as here correctly noted, they were small in stature, puny like fifth-graders. The gang started to laugh, but then these little ones began to blame them not like a child, without shooting, but they said, "Mom don't cry." The police had to get involved in this mess and in the department it turned out that these little peasants had already spent fifty dollars for a long time, all of them had a war with the Americans behind them, more than half of them served in special forces. did not touch.
    2. Russia
      Russia 6 November 2019 21: 57 New
      +1
      I shouted to him - Rat!
      So, with this crowbar, he turned his neck to that rat exactly half a turn.

      During the Vietnam War, the Americans created a specially trained detachment of so-called "tunnel rats" to fight the guerrillas in the tunnels on the Ho Chi Minh Trail. Therefore, perhaps this Vietnamese has an instant and unmistakable reaction to the word "rat".
      1. demo
        demo 6 November 2019 22: 08 New
        0
        The rat in Vietnamese probably does not sound the same as in Russian.
        Although Russian was well owned.
        True, with a "meowing" accent.
  • Greenwood
    Greenwood 6 November 2019 09: 57 New
    0
    The article is of course a masterpiece. hi I read voraciously, not looking up. Well done Vietnamese, have achieved such tremendous success, having such meager resources and opportunities. lol
    This episode could be the plot for an excellent military adventure film. It’s only a pity that Vietnamese cinema is unlikely to pull it off technically and financially (it’s not cheap shots to shoot), and in the current conditions of establishing cooperation with the United States, the country's leadership is unlikely to approve such a story.
  • Russia
    Russia 6 November 2019 19: 35 New
    +1
    I always admired the struggle of the Vietnamese for their independence !!! At school I collected stamps. I remember I had three Vietnamese, in honor of "1000 downed American planes", "2000 downed American planes" and "3000 downed American planes."
  • Nycomed
    Nycomed 7 November 2019 19: 02 New
    0
    Thanks for the interesting photos, I've never met before!
  • meandr51
    meandr51 1 February 2020 18: 50 New
    0
    In the 83rd year, I had a friend who claimed that he fought in Vietnam with the Americans as a combat swimmer with a landing from a submarine. Interestingly, were these fictions?