East Bazaar on the Russian military sites

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With all due respect to the leaders of the Central Asian republics, which (the republics) were once part of a large state called the Soviet Union, it has recently appeared that the three of Rakhmon-Karimov-Atambayev go too far in exploiting their "fraternal" relations with Russia Federation. On the website "Military Review" literally every day materials appeared that concern the demarche of Uzbekistan with its withdrawal from the CSTO, but a suspiciously stable desire to remain behind the Russian air defense shield, or financial dissatisfaction of the Tajik president, who suddenly decided that friendship with Russia should be backed by more and more such a ruble.

The situation is increasingly reminiscent of the classic blackmail, which aims to extract maximum profit on Russia's desire to defend its position in Central Asia.

Recently appeared next newswhich tell that the Tajik authorities have decided to recalculate the level of payments for the presence of Russian soldiers in Tajikistan. Mr. Rakhmon, apparently getting his own calculator, made his own calculations and came to the conclusion that Moscow should annually transfer to the Tajik state treasury, well or personally to Mr. Rakhmon, that in the case of Tajikistan, about the same, no less, 250 million dollars for a stay in the country of the Russian 201-th military base. And Mr. Rakhmon is clearly not embarrassed that the presence of this Russian base is, in fact, a guarantee of his personal security in this Asian country, as well as the security of the entire country as a whole. But can one really remember the average Central Asian president about the security of a country, if at stake a quarter billion, and even in the US currency. Obviously, in such a situation, all problems with Afghan drug trafficking, the possibility of orange revolutions in a single state, terrorist activity and other democratic benefits of modernity are immediately forgotten. It is forgotten until one fried bird bites any of the leaders of the fraternal republics in their soft places.
Of course, Emomali Rakhmon, with his many-time increase in the cost of staying Russian soldiers on the territory of Tajikistan, decided to simply exploit Moscow in connection with the recently concluded agreement that the 201-I base would remain in the Pamirs for almost half a century. In this case, only one thing is unclear: why only a quarter of a billion dollars a year? Why not a quarter trillion? After all, this amount would definitely have solved all Emomali Sharipovich's personal financial problems ...

However, the Tajik president is far from being one of a kind. We decided to take the same path in Kyrgyzstan, whose president, as we well know, has long been distinguished by the ability to bargain literally out of the blue. However, in comparison with the requests of Mr. Rakhmon, Almazbek Atambayev was still much more modest. But apparently, some Central Asian financial bacillus struck the Kyrgyz leader, who, through the eloquence of Republican Defense Minister Taalaibek Omuraliev, requested Russia to raise the rent for those facilities that the Russian Federation exploits in Kyrgyzstan. Objects there include:

radio lab in Maily-Suu;
test base in the city of Karakol;
communication center in the city of Kara-Balta.

At the same time, the motivation for raising the rent, voiced by Omuraliev, was as follows: they say that prices in the world are rising, inflation, financial insecurity, and everything else. At the same time, the head of the Kyrgyz military department said that Bishkek would not raise the rent for the base in Kant, since it (the base) fully satisfies the principles of the CSTO and is an integral part of this organization. How high is going to drive up the rental prices of the three objects of Russia, Mr. Atambayev, is still unclear. Russian military officials have already begun to count, fumble in their pockets ... But ...

Already literally a day later, Eastern logic manifested itself in such a way that it became completely incomprehensible what Bishkek wants from Moscow at all.

So a day after Omuraliev’s announcement that Moscow would have to fork out, information appeared already from Saparbek Isakov, who is the head of the department of foreign policy relations under the president of Kyrgyzstan. Isakov quite unexpectedly declared that Bishkek, in principle, does not insist that Moscow pay more ...

Well, what can I say ... One gets the impression that there are people working in the Kyrgyz capital who have not yet decided on the political and economic vectors directed towards Russia. It seems that Russian money would be desirable, but more, and at the same time, Kyrgyz officials understand that ultimatums with respect to Moscow today may not bring good results. Moreover, once Mr. Atambayev has already criticized the Russian authorities for the fact that they allegedly did not pay the rent for the deployment of Russian military facilities in Kyrgyzstan at all. Then it came to a scandal, which showed that Almazbek Sharshenovich was simply bad-badly reducing the financial balance sheets in his state.

Now they have decided to go the other way: Mr. Atambayev himself is still silent, but Kyrgyz officials express a completely lower rank position - if anything, it will, as they say, to whom to refer ...

So what do Central Asian presidents expect from Russia, who are turning interstate relations into a classic Oriental bazaar? Obviously, they are waiting for direct financial competition between Moscow and Washington for the right to call Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan the territory of their interests. And as soon as the eastern leaders "grope" that such a confrontation begins to take real shape (and judging by the not so long statements of the American ambassador to Russia, McFaul, the financial confrontation between Russia and the USA in Central Asia has long existed), so periodically “Taximeter” from Dushanbe, Bishkek or Tashkent to Washington, then Moscow. And here it will already be necessary to expect, from whom patience will burst earlier. Will the call for a mass democratization of the East (from the United States) go into action, or will the Russian strike option work with Mr. Onishchenko.
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  1. Captain3
    +5
    14 July 2012 09: 23
    Good news for oil industry workers.
    1. chistii20
      +4
      14 July 2012 10: 32
      Quote: Captain3
      Good news for oil industry workers.
      Better hit option Gennady Onishchenko
      1. +26
        14 July 2012 10: 42
        Comrades! I’ve climbed on the internet and found a cool positive! He is certainly off topic, but you all know him well:
        1. +7
          14 July 2012 10: 56
          And I think that they become gay laughing
        2. Teploteh - nick
          +12
          14 July 2012 12: 54
          Compare this. good drinks
          1. Teploteh - nick
            +6
            14 July 2012 12: 55
            And this is *******! wassat belay
          2. 0
            14 July 2012 17: 43
            Is it possible to compare this with something !!!!! drinks
        3. Stary oper
          +7
          15 July 2012 12: 34
          The more I see such comments here, the more disappointed I become with the Military Review website. Is this really true patriotism in the understanding of the local "generals"? If so, then I will say one thing: sad, gentlemen-comrades ...
      2. Captain3
        +4
        14 July 2012 10: 50
        Undoubtedly!
      3. +3
        14 July 2012 13: 15
        Onishchenko + FMS = terrible power!
        1. Van
          +3
          15 July 2012 15: 43
          Eh, the so-called fraternal peoples have forgotten to know one wise proverb, which says, "Do not have one hundred rubles, but have one hundred friends." They forgot to know and in vain, nothing, war will come, they will ask for bread ... lol
  2. +6
    14 July 2012 09: 29
    Will the calls for mass democratization of the East (from the United States) come into play, or will the Russian strike option work with Mr. Onishchenko.
    The latter option is much more destructive and catastrophic for greedy beks and bais. wink
  3. Skiff
    +16
    14 July 2012 09: 35
    Hmm a stalemate, if you don’t give money, the Americans will give money, if you give money the borzometer will go off scale, or maybe it’s time to stir up the "Red Revolution" !!!
    How much you can blunt, it's time to scare the kings.
    1. AIvanA
      +3
      16 July 2012 04: 43
      In general, Russia will lose out with any decision, it’s very interesting from the organization’s point of view, it’s quite possible that the states will not give much to these beks, the main thing is to throw Russia out of the region - this can be seen without any analysis, everything seems to be indirect but the result is one. It was played on the natural desire to do nothing and get as much as possible, it is quite possible that even the buy-ins of these republics do not understand this, they specially threw such a situation and they were in their rut, which shows the true face and abilities of these backs, trading in the market. And the interests of the republics are the third thing, they forgot that they are the first persons in these republics.
  4. Yarbay
    +4
    14 July 2012 09: 37
    *** So what do the Central Asian presidents expect from Russia, which turn interstate relations into a classic oriental bazaar? Obviously, they are waiting for direct financial competition between Moscow and Washington for the right to call Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan the territory of their interests *** - I think this has something similar to the real state of things!
    1. +4
      14 July 2012 13: 17
      Put up for auction, in my understanding.
      1. +3
        14 July 2012 16: 04
        Prostitutes, in a word ...
        1. +1
          15 July 2012 18: 30
          If you want to eat (live), you will not be so heated! laughing
          In general, this whole situation of absurdity and an indicator of their stupidity, both of the rulers and of the ordinary people of those countries.
          In the 90s, they drove the Russians out of their republics, saying that they will live better and happier, and that they say the Russians occupy their jobs! And now, thousands of people travel to the Russian Federation themselves — to work. I was in St. Petersburg last week, so it felt like I was back in Kazakhstan. The same leotards, bathrobes and funny faces are not shaved. So already whole families live there with small children!
          So the desire was to come up and ask - "so why the hell did you kick us out? What are you doing here?"
    2. Docker76
      +1
      14 July 2012 17: 31

      ... obviously they are waiting


      ... they are as naive as children ... ( what what what
    3. +3
      14 July 2012 23: 55
      some Central Asian financial bacillus struck the Kyrgyz leader

      This bacillus is called the USA
      But in general, one rule must be recognized - the East (Central and East Asia) has always lived by the same principle - they give, it means they give in, they demand it, so they can afford it! It all goes back to Hunnu and ancient China ...
  5. +11
    14 July 2012 09: 38
    Here not only Onishchenko, but the consequences for the bays themselves may not be so hot. I recall a fairy tale about a goldfish - grandma wanted dofiga, but she received ................ Everything will return to square one.
  6. +5
    14 July 2012 09: 57
    Everyone wants money, but they must understand that if Russia leaves, then the Americans will come and there will definitely not be order. There will be what is now in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc.
    1. Yarbay
      0
      14 July 2012 10: 09
      Vladimir!
      ** then the Americans will come and there will definitely not be order. It will be what is now in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and others. ** - You are here a little misleading and distorting !!
      In the case of Afghanistan and Iraq, the cameras were there as a result of hostilities !! There are no amers in Libya yet!
      In my opinion, it will be fair to compare it with the presence in the Philippines, in Saudi Arabia, in Turkey, Malaysia, South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, and everything seems to be in order !!
      Let's be objective!
      1. 77bor1973
        +1
        14 July 2012 13: 24
        America will come and they will conclude a treaty on the example of the base of Guantanomo, they will receive 19000 and not rock the boat!
      2. +6
        14 July 2012 15: 22
        Yarbay,

        Yes, it really will be fair to compare! ! ! !

        IF they want to lie under amers!

        But they don't want to lie under anyone! They want "FRIENDS" to be watered, fed and dressed. PROTECTED! And they didn't get involved in their business!

        And as for Libya, you are dissembling "MAVR DID HIS BUSINESS" and now let them squabble!
        1. Yarbay
          -3
          14 July 2012 18: 23
          ** As for Libya, you are dissembling "MAVR DID HIS BUSINESS" and now let them squabble! ** - before getting involved in the dialogue, you should carefully read the comments about what they are!
          I don’t have a habit of cunning; you are addressing it to someone else!
    2. NickitaDembelnulsa
      +5
      14 July 2012 11: 28
      totally agree where America comes there is always war and violence.
      1. axmed05
        +3
        14 July 2012 13: 36
        Alibek
        there are no amers in Libya yet!
        I read this on the Internet; The American contingent of troops in the amount of 12 thousand people landed in the largest oil terminal in Libya - the city of Marsa al-Brega. According to the official version, the purpose of the landing of American soldiers is to maintain stability in the region and ensure the security of the population of the region, RBC reports with reference to the Iranian television channel PressTV. It sounds true, after all, oil cannot pump and protect itself.
        1. Yarbay
          -5
          14 July 2012 18: 25
          Ahmed even if this is so !!
          No need to compare the bases in wartime associated with aggression, with occupation with other bases!
          You seem to have inattentively read my koment!
          1. axmed05
            +3
            15 July 2012 15: 11
            Alibek, you naively believe that the US military bases are different from each other, they always protect their interests. You wrote
            In my opinion, it will be fair to compare it with the presence in the Philippines, in Saudi Arabia, in Turkey, Malaysia, South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, and everything seems to be in order !!
            of course there is order and even democracy is in some of these countries lol . Friends of the United States can not have something wrong, unrest begins only for those who cross their path (before all, these riots begin in those who have a lot of natural resources and weak air defense).
  7. +2
    14 July 2012 10: 18
    funny! money for palaces over? behave like blackmailers! let's see how it ends
  8. amateur.
    +4
    14 July 2012 10: 25
    They generally do not crack turnip ???
    1. Odinplys
      0
      14 July 2012 10: 56
      Quote: amateur.
      They generally do not crack turnip ???

      It will not crack ... if it is not cracked ... It's time to remember ... how Central Asia was conquered ...
      1. matex
        +1
        14 July 2012 11: 41
        Quote: OdinPlys
        It's time to remember ... how Central Asia was conquered ...

        Themselves thought Ali who suggested? My advice before writing something is sometimes turn on the brain.
  9. vova56
    +2
    14 July 2012 10: 56
    We have a lot of leverage over these heads of the Central Asian provinces, we even couldn’t become states, our money will not be given and will not be added, they will meet again, they’ll be scared where they’ll put pressure. As he said, one Russian writer, Asian underbelly can not be given to Americans! We stand 201 division and we will stand !!!
    1. matex
      -16
      14 July 2012 11: 39
      vova56 What "province" will you wake from? Is pride in your exclusivity by chance already from all your holes not rushing yet?
      1. +13
        14 July 2012 16: 17
        matex I come from the "province" of Tashkent. Only I am not proud of this at the moment. And before that I felt it - because Tashkent during the war years accepted hundreds of thousands of evacuees and wounded, because the whole country rebuilt it after the earthquake, because in Tashkent they treated and restored boys from Afghanistan, because the whole USSR was provided with Il-76 aircraft ... I can list for a very long time. Now I am ashamed of the actions of the president of "Independent Uzbekistan" !!!
        1. +2
          15 July 2012 12: 18
          Mark021105, everything is correct, only then there was a different time and a different power. Therefore, they took and restored and built aircraft. My Saratov did the same thing and the whole USSR did it, so what?
  10. +1
    14 July 2012 11: 22
    The article is very useful, not least for those who continue to rely on the "oriental bazaar" as Brezhnev and his comrades did in their time.

    And this bazaar has shown long ago that it has no permanent friends, but only considerations of profit. Moreover, both long-term and short-term. Remember how much the USSR invested in this "bazaar": from billions of rubles to hundreds of lives of owls of servicemen. And how this "bazaar" then cheated the USSR. And he cheated on him like the last sucker.

    Russia again and again steps on the same rake. And again and again he gets hit on the forehead trying at any cost to "befriend" odious regimes and arrogantly turning away from more or less adequate regimes.

    It is time to replace the famous expression of Yu. Fuchik "People, be vigilant!" to "People, don't be suckers"
    1. matex
      -4
      14 July 2012 11: 46
      Quote: gregor6549
      Remember how much the USSR invested in this "bazaar": from billions of rubles to hundreds of lives of owls of servicemen. And how this "bazaar" then cheated the USSR. And he cheated on him like the last sucker.

      And it is possible, more specifically, not just unfoundedly write about what kind of lives of hundreds of soldiers are in question and how did you put it "bazaar" cheated the USSR? Do you have the facts?
      1. +7
        14 July 2012 12: 02
        Want to be more specific? You are welcome. You can start with the Korean War, or you can with the Afghan. You can mention how Soviet advisers were thrown out of Egypt and how sappers died on mine clearance in African countries. Now a similar situation is developing in Syria and it is not known how it will end if NATO decides to hit it. After all, it is no secret to anyone, Even for Lavrov, Russian officers and ensigns are sitting in the workplaces of Russian air defense systems recently delivered to Syria. Whether God will manage to evacuate them all alive and healthy in case of raids, God alone knows. And further. In the Internet and not only in it a lot of information. It would be a desire to look for and study it not through pink glasses. On you and for you, dear, no one is going to plow
        1. matex
          -3
          14 July 2012 12: 11
          Dear all that you have listed, it has nothing to do with the topic of the article and is specific to Wednesday Az. For the next time write comments on the topic. To write about Korea, Egypt, etc., when discussing Wed. Az, to put it mildly, is not correct. And for us, as you put it, no one plows, we ourselves know how to plow, thank God, we don’t suffer from natural laziness.
          1. bamboo
            +1
            14 July 2012 18: 22
            dear, you just made fun of where you plow ???? what can you do ????
            only here in here in Russia you are not allowed on janitors ...))) but you don’t want to remember what is going on there !!!!
            1. matex
              -1
              14 July 2012 18: 36
              Quote: bambu
              dear, you just made fun of where you plow ???? what can you do ???? only here in Russia we don’t let janitors go on ...))) but what do you want to do and don’t want to remember !!!!

              Well, do not understand, do not even think. I see everything to you from my throne, and you understand everything. Time and so it will put everything in its place and who plows and drives the bulldozer and so it is visible.
  11. 0
    14 July 2012 11: 25
    eastern prostitutes
  12. +5
    14 July 2012 11: 40
    They are not fraternal peoples to us.
    I WOULD REMEMBER IN THEIR PLACE THAT FOR ANY Cunning EASTERN POP, THERE IS A BIG RUSSIAN BOLT.
    AND JUDGING BY ASIAN TRENDS IT IS TIME TO SHOW IT.
    1. matex
      +3
      14 July 2012 11: 48
      Quote: volkan
      They are not fraternal peoples to us.

      Well, where do we need some kind of natives to fill you with brothers. Only here claims after such statements should not be made.
      1. +7
        14 July 2012 12: 24
        matex
        Actually, I didn’t mean fraternal in the sense of "blood", because here only Ukrainians and Belarusians can be fraternal.
        And if you use the word fraternal in the sense of "common goals", then you know, it also fails. It is you who are not behaving like brothers, trying to cut money from us for the troops, which for a minute are protecting you as well.
        And about the claims after such statements as you say, it’s you who distort the respected.
        That you began to bargain like a bazaar.
        So what kind of "brotherly" you are after that.
        You want to eat a fish and ..... get to paradise
        So do not get up in the pose of an insulted oriental bai, which, due to its oriental hospitality, spread its arms for a friendly hug, and they put it under its nose.
        Actually the opposite is true. Do not find?
        1. +3
          14 July 2012 12: 31
          Anyway, it’s you who set us unacceptable and impossible conditions.
          So you want us to leave. What kind of brothers are you after that?
          How to take money from us, so you are Brothers. How to give, so tell us "well, wait, brotherly," and how to start vytsyganivat some money for rent, weapons and other benefits, so you somehow forget about "brotherhood".
          not good however
          1. matex
            +6
            14 July 2012 12: 47
            Quote: volkan
            Anyway, it’s you who set us unacceptable and impossible conditions.

            Believe the ordinary Tajik, I definitely do not want this. Simply, you are now confusing the petty and mercantile interests of the same person with ordinary citizens who advocate integration processes in the post-Soviet space. Sincerely.
            1. +3
              14 July 2012 13: 05
              matex
              personally, I never unite people and government.
              But unfortunately the steps of your leadership sometimes force us to put it mildly perplexing.
              And I will repeat myself. In principle, realizing that in many respects such actions are steps taken by the country's leadership, and not "at the insistence of the people," I reflect in my comments precisely my position in relation to your rulers.
              And again, I will repeat about the fraternal peoples. I meant the origin of the people.
              1. Brother Sarych
                0
                14 July 2012 15: 58
                What can be the claim to the Asians, after Russia itself was sold to the Yuesovites? Who built the NATO base in Ulyanovsk for denyushka at that? And after that you want to forbid someone to pick a nose?
                By the way, does Uzbekistan ask a lot from Russia?
                1. +1
                  14 July 2012 18: 34
                  Quote: Brother Sarich
                  What can be the claim to the Asians, after Russia itself was sold to the Yuesovites?


                  Isn’t the sweetest said too cool?
                  Or p .... not tossing bags?
                  Then we are slowly surrounded by Amer with NATO.
                  And hysterical Clinton, let all the saliva on the bubbles
            2. Green 413-1685
              +11
              14 July 2012 15: 43
              We have been seeing these "ordinary citizens" of Central Asia since the late 80s. When these ordinary citizens were throwing stones at trains, they massively killed and robbed Russians, and shouted "Ryusky get out to Ryusiya." Let me remind you that before that, Russians had never had any prejudice in their culture towards people from either Asia or the Caucasus. You yourself "ordinary citizens" of Asia have nurtured this hatred and self-contempt in Russia, now eat with a full spoon. And now, when you are pinned down by poverty, and the complete degradation of all production, scientific and educational sectors, you suddenly became for integration. What happened, did the lymetrophs really realize?
              Personally, I am for the complete closure of the borders with you, the deportation of all your fellow tribesmen, and the most stringent visa regime.
              1. Brother Sarych
                -4
                14 July 2012 16: 03
                Well, and who will be worse? This Russia has always been in fact against integration, it destroyed the USSR, by the way ...
                Even now you really don’t want to integrate with anyone, you only want to command, and you yourself don’t know what you are striving for ...
                We have poverty, yes, but Russia also thrives only in Moscow and several million-plus cities ...
                1. Green 413-1685
                  +3
                  14 July 2012 16: 28
                  Don't write nonsense. The collapse of the Union began not in Belovezhie, but in the mid-80s, when all these former “proud” cattle breeders and cotton growers suddenly imagined that without Russia they would be like cheese in butter. Then all the persecutions of Russians and Russian-speaking people began. Belovezhie only reinforced this de jure.
                  And the fact that only Moscow is flourishing in Russia, and even a few millionaires, yes, but revival, albeit slow, is everywhere. Apparently you have not been to Russia for a long time and judge only by your local television news. Example, look online for what is being done in Vladivostok. Russian island. And I just see what is being done, for example, in the region of the old cities of the Golden Ring.
                  1. Brother Sarych
                    +4
                    14 July 2012 17: 27
                    That you do not write nonsense!
                    Even the law on the state language was adopted only after they began to hint at it from the top. not local initiative!
                    Who supported the Emergency Committee? All Asian republics - it never occurred to anyone that you could separate! Who accepted the declaration of independence in 1990? Not Russia? Who collapsed the Union when everyone wanted to stay?
                    I do not watch local news, more often I watch Russian, but use the Internet more - so what is being done in Vladivostok? Who needs a bridge to the island. where does 5 thousand people live? If everyone was given 12 or 14 million, which is obtained, if we divide the cost of the bridge by the number of natives of the natives, then it would be easier for each family to give an apartment in the center of Moscow!
                    1. Green 413-1685
                      -2
                      14 July 2012 17: 37
                      Before shouting about the futility of the bridge, look at what is being built on the island. For the entire Far Eastern region of Russia, this is an extremely necessary and useful thing. Who was screaming that science and education in Russia have died, aren't you ??? And about sharing among all apartments in Moscow, did you learn logic from Bulgakovsky Sharikov? And you don’t have to whistle about the collapse of the union, you pretended that you didn’t notice in the comment where I reminded you that they kicked the Russians out of the Asian republics and started killing back in the late 80s. And it was the very indigenous people who were now shouting that it was the Russians who had destroyed the Union.
                      1. Brother Sarych
                        -1
                        14 July 2012 19: 07
                        They expelled non-Russians in the late 80s, started with Meskhetian Turks, there are many more details that you don’t even suspect ...
                        Once again, the Union collapsed first of all the Russian government - Asians were for the Union to the last opportunity ...
                        You will also be surprised, but there will be no one to study at Far Eastern University, no one to teach either, so the bridge was built from nowhere to nowhere ...
                      2. Green 413-1685
                        +3
                        14 July 2012 19: 27
                        Maybe it's enough to lie so openly? That no one drove out the Russians in large quantities, did not kill, there were no pogroms? I look at you directly according to the saying, "even a piss in the eye, everything is God's dew."
                        And in 80-90 Russians you were apparently greeted with bread and salt, and the treacherous Russians abandoned their houses, all their property and left for Russia. And someone, apparently out of harm, has committed suicide; everything has been blamed on you. And then the treacherous Russians destroyed the Union.
                        And it turns out that there will be no one to study at the University of the Far East, in spite of the fact that now it is from all over Dal. East to Moscow and Peter, young people are forced to go to school. Say you are stupid or just so deftly portray a hose?
                      3. Brother Sarych
                        0
                        14 July 2012 19: 52
                        They didn’t drive them out, but life became much more uncomfortable, let’s say, we didn’t have pogroms ...
                      4. Green 413-1685
                        +2
                        14 July 2012 20: 41
                        Don't tell stories. Gugal help, type "murders of Russians in Uz" or "Russians of Fergana" You will learn a lot of new things.

                        http://www.google.ru/search?q=%D1%83%D0%B1%D0%B8%D0%B9%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B0+%
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                        enlighten
                      5. REPA1963
                        -1
                        15 July 2012 22: 26
                        You’re rubbish green. Usual propaganda.
                      6. +2
                        16 July 2012 01: 46
                        This is not propaganda, it is true. Fortunately, I myself was not a witness, but my classmate at that time lived in Dushanbe, his father, a border guard, served there. Everything that I read on the above link fits very well with my friend's stories, which gives me reason to believe that all this is true. I was 14 years old when my staircase neighbor served an emergency. He returned with gray hair, he said, not everything is true, how they were raised by alarm and sent to Fergana, and then to Osh. So, the gray hair of a 20-year-old guy somehow does not fit with the term "propaganda" ... Unfortunately, I cannot give links to the original source.

                        Now a little about the "fraternal" peoples.
                        I am not a nationalist, I was raised in the Soviet Union, but guests from Central Asia do not cause me feelings of joy. I live in a military town, which recently had the status of closed. As soon as the regime was softened, a sensation of an aul immediately appeared. If earlier young girls, and not very young ladies, could easily walk around the town at any time of the day, now it is simply dangerous. Chekists get off their feet, but cannot completely block the flow of drugs, I know what I'm saying, my friends serve there. A couple of years ago it wasn’t realistic to meet the dumbass in the town, but now they scum grass and what’s harder to push into school ... I’d get caught, I would have broken it. But you will kill scum, and they will put you as a person.
                        Three Uzbeks were hired at my workplace somehow. Then someone blundered that their hands were growing from the right place ... Yes, from the right one, so it was convenient to get the nasvai. Dope will get drunk - and that’s it, complete detachment from the hell of being. In order to work really need a club, they understand only strength, a normal human attitude is perceived as weakness and a signal to sit on the neck. And grabbing the lyuley immediately begin to understand the Russian language. But then all the same, everything had to be redone ...
                        The question arises: what xx should I want to integrate with these, so to speak, "brotherly" Central Asian peoples? What will this integration give me, as a citizen of Russia? Increased crime rate? What the hell do I need it for? Send all the riffraff to your Asia and see how all these reservations will blow up when the flow of remittances from Russia stops
                      7. +2
                        16 July 2012 01: 03
                        I have an employee (security systems engineer) at work, in the late 90s I was forced to flee from Uzbekistan, as the persecution of the Russian speakers intensified and his family was threatened with death. He sold his 2-ku in Ferghana for $ 200, he was lucky yet, and was listed with his family in refugees until 2012. Only recently received housing (dormitory). And when he sees workers from Uzbekistan, he only sighs and looks at them with sadness ... what they have achieved ....
                    2. REPA1963
                      0
                      15 July 2012 22: 24
                      And the bridge is needed for Vova’s show-offs, so-and-so.
                      1. Green 413-1685
                        -2
                        15 July 2012 22: 47
                        Go to the avenue, shout and live, and white ribbons tie a bow on your ears. Defective with you in the past, but sorry.
                  2. +3
                    14 July 2012 23: 36
                    The disintegration of the USSR, Mr. Zeleny, to be objective, began precisely in Russia, when the drunkard, who was striving for power, Yeltsin, raised the issue of the absence of its own governing bodies (its own Supreme Soviet, President, etc.) in the RSFSR. This is what gave rise to a powerful "parade of sovereignties" in all (except the BSSR) republics of the USSR. And it really began in the mid-80s, with the coming to power of Gorbachev, another pro-Western and vain man. So the collapse of the USSR lies entirely on the conscience of Russia, and first of all on its titular people. That's it. And if it weren't for this, they would have come to an agreement with the "proud cattle breeders" somehow.
              2. matex
                +1
                14 July 2012 18: 14
                Quote: Green 413-1685
                Personally, I am for the complete closure of the borders with you, the deportation of all your fellow tribesmen, and the most stringent visa regime.

                Well, if you will be more convenient forward. We do not impose, we will live.
        2. matex
          +1
          14 July 2012 12: 34
          volkan I can only answer you that ordinary citizens (I do not answer for other republics of the Central Asian Republic) always respect R.F. and to Russians, and this is not about blood and genetics. Sincerely.
          ps
          turn (even though R. Uz. does not ask for money for the base and never will) from the fact that Rakhmon and co. urine struck the brain and he wanted to believe it; it’s not easier for the Tajiks to do this, and it’s not for them that this money will go all as they say to the family smile
      2. General
        -7
        14 July 2012 14: 16
        it's time for us to all the Turks to unite and create TURAN
        1. +5
          14 July 2012 14: 42
          General, but it hinders you from thinking again imperial Russia, which wants you all to the fingernail?
          Or all the same, your internal contradictions and a bunch of mutual claims to each other? AND?
        2. Brother Sarych
          0
          14 July 2012 16: 04
          Maybe even in the caliphate? Would you, dear ...
        3. matex
          0
          14 July 2012 18: 16
          Quote: General
          it's time for us to all the Turks to unite and create TURAN

          Well, unite, just don’t touch us into such a cesspool.
        4. +1
          14 July 2012 23: 45
          General, and when did the Turks at least once unite for a more or less long historical period with any result visible from this?
    2. +5
      14 July 2012 12: 07
      The peoples are just fraternal. Those. and plowed and fought together. And it would be good to learn how to separate these peoples from their rulers with their khan and bai manners. As well as their own, "native rulers" to separate from the Russian people. The Russian people are robbed no worse than beys and khans, and maybe even better.
      1. matex
        -1
        14 July 2012 12: 13
        Quote: gregor6549
        The peoples are just fraternal. Those. and plowed and fought together.

        And with this I completely agree with you.
    3. foxhaund31
      +2
      14 July 2012 19: 34
      Tajiks are an Indo-European group, just brothers.
    4. +2
      15 July 2012 22: 33
      Quote: volkan
      They are not fraternal peoples to us.
      I WOULD REMEMBER IN THEIR PLACE THAT FOR ANY Cunning EASTERN POP, THERE IS A BIG RUSSIAN BOLT.
      AND JUDGING BY ASIAN TRENDS IT IS TIME TO SHOW IT.

      Showing a bolt is a stupid occupation.
      Because of this, they suddenly will not begin to love Russia and will not become more fraternal, and this time.
      Their priests are no more cunning than any other country - no one is just friends if partnership does not bring benefits, but brings little, any country will turn to where it benefits more or at least a steeper roof. These are two.

      And the fact that the former Soviet republics spin like weathercocks in the wind, and with the first draft make a stand on their hind legs in front of the States - this defect of the Russian Foreign Ministry... Officials flapped their ears, accustomed to consider the Azite republics downtrodden and forgotten, like "where will they go from us ?!" But there is no attention, no control of the situation - you look, and Soviet Asia floats away.

      SAY DIRECTLY: THE RUSSIAN FOREIGN MINISTRY ASKED THE SITUATION! This is three!
      You need to work, keep your nose upwind, control what the local elites breathe, which they are only going to think about to know a week before.

      So, the Russian Foreign Ministry’s bolts need to be shoved somewhere to think strategically. And then they probably don’t even know what the interests of Russia in this or that region are. And they know how to work only in a single-task mode: they are engaged in Syria, so they see nothing more. Together with foreign intelligence, they are obliged to keep pace everywhere, ideally even be ahead of the State Department with the CIA.

      And then, after all, soon Mongolia will be drained! No wonder the cuckold (Clintonsha) went there, there will be NATO airbases in Mongolia. Convenient pancake! You fly in one direction - China, in the other - Russia .... And what if you put a locator there like in Norway? Well it is possible to collect lope of intelligence ?!
      1. 0
        16 July 2012 01: 11
        They won’t give ... Neither China nor Russia ...
  13. itr
    0
    14 July 2012 12: 02
    Or maybe go in the footsteps of the Americans. Why invent a bicycle. Spend this money on the revolution and put the loyal regime of Russia. In one country, the rest, I think, will understand who and where. Asians need to trade Asian. And how many citizens of Russia will be saved
    1. matex
      0
      14 July 2012 12: 17
      Quote: itr
      Or maybe go in the footsteps of the Americans. Why invent a bicycle. Spend this money on the revolution and put the loyal regime of Russia.

      It will be more expensive for itself. What do you think will result in the next revolution at the borders of Russia? I think the answer is obvious.
      Quote: itr
      And how many citizens of Russia will be saved

      I wonder how the revolution in Sr. Az. contributes to the preservation of citizens of the RF?
      1. itr
        0
        14 July 2012 12: 37
        In World War I, when all Russian-speaking men were sent to war with Kyrgyzstan
        The rebellion was raised by the locals, naturally, Russian women and children suffered.
        But how I was struck by the king’s response to these atrocities to suppress the rebellion, those regiments were mobilized that mobilized from Kyrgyzstan a month later the rebellion was suppressed. Personally, I do not want the citizens of my country to die in local conflicts. The enemy must be strangled with his own hands. Well, I think my answer was comprehensive why send troops when people greedy for power will do everything right. It's not sad. In Russia there are such freaks too
        1. matex
          -3
          14 July 2012 12: 43
          The introduction of troops is the last of the possible options; on this, we can say that civilized politics will end and the camp will become an outcast aggressor. What do you think is the way out of the situation? And I’m not writing about the creation of a man-made Afghanistan No. 2 at the borders of R.F. Not such methods solve such problems.
          ps
          from R. Uz. In 1916, the male population (moreover, the corrupted one) was also mobilized to the front of WWI, so we draw conclusions. Sincerely.
          1. itr
            -1
            14 July 2012 12: 47
            Then the question arose if all civilized people then why did such a non-civilized question arise between our countries
            1. matex
              -4
              14 July 2012 12: 50
              Between nations, no matter of a mercantile nature does not arise, we all advocate integration, but we do not have to talk about some individuals in the same way, their happiness and main interest is "loot" and such situations arise. Believe the crooks from politics come and go and the peoples who have a common history remain. Sincerely.
              1. +2
                14 July 2012 20: 39
                only sometimes it takes too long to wait until all the crap go away patience is not unlimited
          2. Brother Sarych
            -2
            14 July 2012 16: 07
            Local people were not called to the First World War - according to the agreement, local people were not supposed to serve at all, except for some indigenous units manned by volunteers ...
            In 16, the unrest began when they began to mobilize for rear work ...
            1. matex
              -2
              14 July 2012 18: 18
              Quote: Brother Sarich
              except for some indigenous units, manned by volunteers ... In 16, unrest began when they began to mobilize for rear work ...

              Absolutely.
          3. 0
            16 July 2012 02: 18
            In the Russian imperial army, the lower ranks were only Russians (Great Russians, Maloros and Belarusians) and Tatars (to whom Mordovians and Bashkirs also belonged). All! Even in conditions of war and mobilization, foreigners could serve only on a voluntary basis, but they didn’t want to shed blood, they bought off

            http://www.e-reading.org.ua/bookreader.php/29534/Kornish_-_Russkaya_armiya_1914-
            1918_gg..html


            We read and draw conclusions
      2. 0
        14 July 2012 13: 09
        nothing, people in Russia need to be shaken, thank you and we will say
    2. 0
      16 July 2012 01: 14
      It is necessary to carry culture, education, enlightenment to other nations, then the good will begin. This is a long, difficult process, but without it it is impossible to build normal relations with neighbors ... Although this can be delayed ... in a short time. As they say, do not build to break ...
  14. +6
    14 July 2012 12: 16
    Me at the time had a lot of friends and acquaintances in many former Soviet republics. I still correspond with many and communicate on Skype. Normal guys. I do not mention hospitality and devotion. If you are their friend, they will never sell. Otherwise, shame on their entire family. So something should be learned from them. And do not push them into the arms of the same Chinese or Americans. They will leave, the evil deed is not tricky, but it will be difficult to return them. Or again, the new Afghanistan is only closer?

    I have ... eyeglasses, sorry

    Yes, and bolts need to be more carefully scattered .... captain Zheglov, known to all, would say.
    1. matex
      0
      14 July 2012 12: 20
      I give you a bold plus (sorry for the pun).
    2. +2
      14 July 2012 14: 14
      Gregor
      Yes, we generally do not scatter bolts.
      Although looking at the post-Soviet space and attitudes towards Russia, perhaps we should get it more often.
      And then the former republics of the USSR took an interesting course. They still want to milk Russia, but they do not want to meet Russia halfway. paradox? while subtly declaring who about the occupation, who about the "non-brotherly attitude" they say they fought together.
      We fought together, and we have been eating pies apart for 20 years. so do not speculate on this.
      Personally, I do not see Respect for my country. I see only demanding hands that always want something, and still think that we owe them (like the Baltic states for example). Hands are drawn to Russia to ask for something (to demand, to take), while the mouth carries anti-Russian nonsense.
      And we don’t need to learn from anyone.
      sincere Russians can be friends ....... only Russians.
      But friendship should be mutual and honest, and not like Australia and the UK
      1. Brother Sarych
        +2
        14 July 2012 16: 11
        Who is it milking Russia? Is it possible to clarify? And what is this expressed in?
        The money that Gaster sends is not milked, but earned by hard work for the benefit of Russia, although more precisely to its oligarchs, officials and other sv .. te-parasites, but this is no longer the problem of Gaster ...
      2. 0
        14 July 2012 20: 31
        But friendship should be mutual and honest, and not like that of Australia and the UK ...

        Is this what? Moreover, the roots of white Australians grow from convicts and many of the descendants of these convicts hate England and everything connected with it. Yes, traditions are honored and do not want any republic instead of a monarchy, because they understand that this helps to maintain stability, but otherwise they want to sneeze and sneeze to England with her queen.
        There is no special friendship between people, but if trouble happens, everyone comes to help without unnecessary requests and helps as much as they can. And there are enough troubles in Australia. That fires or hurricanes is still some kind of crap. Accordingly, the people. Harsh but responsive.
        1. 0
          15 July 2012 18: 08
          Yes, I looked at your little obscure flag. Understood nothing.
          Too small. I suggested that the Australian.
          And I hinted about this "friendship" between Great Britain and Australia, saying that we are friends with our republics and now with the CIS countries all the same more honestly and openly.
      3. MIT
        MIT
        +1
        15 July 2012 23: 30
        The basis of the deintegration of the USSR was started by B.N. Yeltsin and there is no need to reproach other states of the former USSR here!
  15. +1
    14 July 2012 12: 35
    And under the "oriental bazaar" I had primarily Persians, Turks and others like them. I apologize if I went beyond the topic.
    1. matex
      0
      14 July 2012 12: 36
      Nice to talk with adequate people. We are all not without sin drinks
  16. 0
    14 July 2012 13: 15
    And the last thing was why everything was enough for everyone, even in * fraternal republics * they invested more than in the RSFSR, and now the greed of both yours and ours leads to poverty of the population, so that a shake-up will not hurt both our and your people
  17. +1
    14 July 2012 13: 33
    Here is an example I want to give. Omitting the names and place name of what is happening. My friend had trouble with her parents in the former republic of the former USSR this winter. Here he is, as a normal person taking care of his parents went there. And on Skype shared his impressions. I will describe the brightest. They sell gas for export at $ 70 (I’ll make a reservation about) for $ 200, there they make Nexia, in order to buy it you need to put money in the bank and wait 3 !!! years, respectively, if the price increases you pay extra, and if it falls, the difference will not be returned. Light is given 2 times a day. Water problems began in the spring, because the mudflow rose, they turn off the water at the water intake so that filters (Chinese) do not clog, everything worked perfectly for ours. There are a lot of houses built (economy) and no one lives in them, since there is no gas and light. And against this background, they demand large millions for our bases. Question- Where is the money Zin?
    1. Brother Sarych
      +1
      14 July 2012 16: 13
      Uzbekistan does not require any money for the base - there is nothing to demand ...
  18. 0
    14 July 2012 13: 53
    Leave Asian portners only for a year, make sure that they do not exist for us, and we are for them. Close borders, withdraw troops. And there we will see who is the first to run with pleas for mutual assistance.
    1. +3
      14 July 2012 14: 28
      So the "Asian" poor have fled to Russia for a long time, despite the slave conditions that await these poor people there and complete lack of rights before their slave traders and Russian slave owners.
      And the Russian state, in the person of its holder, can not think of anything better than taking bribes from both slave owners and slave traders and putting slaves in the snow with or without reason.
      This is how long-term "business" relationships are established between the powerful of this world of Russia and the former Soviet republics, long-term hatred of slaves for both of them, as well as for those who are not involved in this process in any way, i.e. to the same disenfranchised workaholic Russians. As they say, what you sow is what you reap.
      Well, after some 5 or 10 years, the question of American bases in these Asian republics will inevitably arise and a desire to resolve this issue using the Afghan or Chechen "method" at the cost of thousands of lives of the same hard workers on both sides. God forbid, of course, but everything goes to that.

      Speaking a language widely popular in narrow circles, let's still filter the bazaar. The word is also a weapon, and double-edged
  19. +1
    14 July 2012 14: 16
    Will calls for mass democratization of the East (from the United States) come into play, or will the Russian shock option work with Mr. Onishchenko ----- and both of them must be done !!! because these Asians only understand !!!! good with them is useless !!!!!!
    1. -2
      14 July 2012 14: 50
      I dare to assure you, dear, that "Asians" are not as stupid as someone always wants to portray them. And we must not forget that these Asians have achieved a lot in science and culture, when in the vast expanses of Russia there was nothing like that. It would be nice to remember the stupid Batu who crushed the helluva lot of smart Russians, and Genghis Khan and many others. And in the days of the USSR, "Asians" gave a lot to the common piggy bank, including the defense. Still, people have short memories with long languages. And the word democracy should not be shaken. It does not exist either in Russia, or in the former republics of the Union, and beyond the hill it is very, very conditional. Democracy is the rule of the enlightened majority, and where have you seen such a majority. Everything else is ochlocracy, i.e. the power of the crowd, skillfully controlled by an enlightened minority
      1. 0
        14 July 2012 15: 33
        gregor6549,

        Have you reached say?

        And where is it in what Asia can we see it?

        In foreign Asia or not, or something from Europe or America has come!

        In the CIS or not, or Russia beg!

        That's what I remember so cotton business! ! !

        Well, tell me the institutes, universities in CIS Asia that have made an unknown contribution !!! ????

        And democracy is really on the drum!
        1. -1
          14 July 2012 15: 44
          Sergey,

          You can see everything, there would be a desire to see. And there is no need to limit the issue to a time frame. Of course, a lot of what the "Asians" managed to achieve was destroyed after the collapse of the USSR, but not only for them. And not only they begged, but practically all the former republics of the Union. And they begged anyone. Of course, Russia was able to rise from the ruins before the Asian republics, and Russia will have more resources and all the key industries, including the defense industry, in its hands, leaving the "Asians" mainly the role of suppliers of raw materials (cotton, food. oil, etc.) and sometimes graciously allowing the "Asians" to do something for the same defense industry. There were military-industrial complex enterprises in Tashkent and Bishkek, not to mention Kazakhstan. And not exactly bad businesses. Moreover, a lot of Russians worked for them. It's good to know history and not to write a new one every time.

          And further. if possible on "you". And they are not familiar. and my age is not the one to poke.
          1. +2
            14 July 2012 16: 17
            gregor6549,

            Exactly the Russians worked!

            It was precisely the military-industrial complex of Central Asia that was producing and not bad, but good weapons were only being constructed in the Russian lands and no one was stopping you from creating a current with a karamultuk! And space is there!

            Any defense industry is first of all specialists! Asians did not have and never have! The mentality did not allow the machine to stand! ! !

            Now who is stopping the Tajiks from piging Russia to help, on mutually acceptable terms, invest in mining and processing metallurgy and other things !? The richest republic! Yes, in any SNG Asia, stick all the potentially rich, but they only understand business by their "give money and fuck you"!

            And and and and and how they disposed ????

            But he didn’t manage at all, and the Russians could not drive their own only to trade in melons and they could hoe cotton fields!

            Why are you in quotes what subtext ????
            1. Green 413-1685
              +1
              14 July 2012 16: 57
              You are absolutely right SergeySK. Now if you look at Tajikistan, for example, the feeling is as if it were some kind of wild corner of Tibet. Throughout the 20th century, Russia dragged all these Central Asians by the ears into civilization, just as they drove the Russians, so it’s been 20 years that they all rolled down during the post-Mongol invasion, where there is nothing, no science. no education, no rights and prospects for the population. Where is total poverty.
              1. +1
                15 July 2012 12: 42
                Green, I confirm all of the above. In Soviet times, I was on business trips to these republics many times and communicated quite well with local "specialists". I just want to add that in addition to Russians, Germans and Ukrainians and Belarusians worked well there, who remained and were born there since the war. By the way, now in Russia the situation with specialists is in many ways similar to the then Central Asian situation, unfortunately.
        2. Brother Sarych
          0
          14 July 2012 16: 20
          In Central Asia, there was a good potential, by the way, and he came from the Russian Empire initially, and then developed very much in the USSR - much has already been lost, and Russia has managed at a rapid pace to ask ... if it’s worth it now ?
          Where in Russia are now those scientists who glorified it all over the world, where there are renowned universities and science cities. where is the super-production? Only the Fursen remained ...
          So do not go around on this sore subject ...
          1. Green 413-1685
            +1
            14 July 2012 16: 44
            Do not judge by yourself. There are many problems in Russia, but unlike you, despite our difficulties, we still have scientists and production facilities. And here you have, everything that Russia has given you, you have all passed .. have passed. Because everything rested on the Russians, whom you either killed or defeated, there were only a few. And now, except for grazing sheep, growing third-grade cotton and chopping loot from mining groups, you can’t and cannot do anything else.
            1. Brother Sarych
              -1
              14 July 2012 17: 14
              But where are the Asians to do something! Only sheep graze ...
              It’s immediately obvious that you judge everything by ignorance of the question ...
              You know, if a person does not speak Russian very well, this does not mean that this is a sign of stupidity, and this does not prevent one from achieving something in science and industry ..
              For example, cars are made in Uzbekistan, and not the worst. Moreover, the level of local production is only increasing, recently they began to make engines for them, there are household appliances, there is a fairly advanced chemical industry, and there is still much that ...
              Now there is no aircraft industry, and Russia also had a hand in this, not only local wiseacres ...
              1. Green 413-1685
                +1
                14 July 2012 17: 45
                Well, yes, apparently you know this question about sheep well. That's why you come to us in droves, and not we to you. And about the chem. industry is not necessary, we built it for you Russians. And that auto factory than you so proudly wagged it to you Koreans now. Or are you a full cycle ah? And about aviation, do not impudent. The Russians left, so everything fell apart for you, you yourself do not know how to do anything, neither the scientific base nor the related industries. You still put in our reproach that we date you as during the Union ceased, they say what insidious Russian.
                1. Brother Sarych
                  -1
                  14 July 2012 19: 00
                  You can see right away that you were not in Central Asia and really do not know anything about it, but it’s half the trouble, the trouble is that you don’t want to know anything!
                  The problems here are higher than the roof, but not those about which you are driving a wave here ...
                  1. Green 413-1685
                    +1
                    14 July 2012 19: 16
                    But you are probably better aware of Russia than the Russians living here, since you undertake with a smart mind to judge what, how, how we should live here. It’s not funny for yourself?
                    1. Brother Sarych
                      -1
                      14 July 2012 20: 08
                      And why shouldn’t I know more than those who were in the Moscow Ring Road a couple of times in my childhood?
                      I would venture to suggest that I and Moscow know you better ...
                      1. Green 413-1685
                        +1
                        14 July 2012 20: 37
                        Judging by the fact that you are writing here, you do not know anything about what the Russians now think about you in real life.
                      2. Brother Sarych
                        0
                        14 July 2012 20: 48
                        Why - I know what they think is not a particularly big secret, more than one generation of morons with brainwashed people who think that all the problems of Russia from migrants has grown up ...
                      3. Green 413-1685
                        -2
                        14 July 2012 21: 38
                        Well, sow the wind, reap the storm (C). What you earn is what you get. Yes, and there is a reason, everything is fair.
                      4. matex
                        0
                        14 July 2012 20: 54
                        Quote: Green 413-1685
                        Judging by the fact that you are writing here, you do not know anything about what the Russians now think about you in real life.

                        Well, from your words we now know.
  20. ZKBM-BUT
    +1
    14 July 2012 15: 45
    I just can't understand something. why do we pay for the fact that our soldiers are on their territory? Isn't the saying "you can't feed your army, you will feed someone else's" is no longer relevant? aren't they supposed to pay us for the fact that our bases are on their territory? for me, duck, you need all your bases for which they ask for money from us, return home. and no la-la about the fact that the Americans will come and attack us from the places where we left. or the type of terrorists will begin to attack. our soldier should only be on our border, period. and in those places where it is still needed, let the local people of those places pay. and then really we are already bred as lo.ov, milked insolently.
  21. Green 413-1685
    +3
    14 July 2012 16: 11
    All these Asian Beys and their peoples are still mentally and culturally born at the stage of the tribal system, or at best early feudalism. Therefore, all attempts at a normal, pragmatic, built on the logic of the mutual benefit of cooperation, are doomed. They will forever look for ways to deceive, not restrain early agreements, and bargain in the worst traditions of a smelly bazaar. Therefore, one must speak with them and behave from a position of strength, without any sentiment and condescension. Only such an appeal they understand and respect.
    And it's time to forget the tales about ordinary people who are supposedly friendly towards Russia. It is better to listen to the refugees from there in the late 80s, early 90s, how these ordinary people, shouting "go away," robbed and killed our compatriots.
    There is only one way out - arrangement and blocking of the border, deportation of all these "tourists" to their homeland, and a very strict visa regime. And ethonomic cooperation with them should be conducted in such a way that all these "friends" would get a bone in their throats.
    1. Brother Sarych
      -1
      14 July 2012 17: 16
      And I personally do not need to listen - I live here, I can tell you what and how it was and is, and about the bad and the good ...
      1. Green 413-1685
        +1
        14 July 2012 17: 51
        By this logic of yours, then we don’t have anything to listen to on your thoughts about our country. We live here ourselves and know you better. And the fact is that you give a lot of text and advice about it, how to live, and how to judge you.
    2. matex
      -1
      14 July 2012 18: 31
      Quote: Green 413-1685
      There is only one way out - arrangement and blocking of the border, deportation of all these "tourists" to their homeland, and a very strict visa regime.

      If it makes it easier for you, as I wrote above, go ahead with the song.
      Quote: Green 413-1685
      Therefore, one must speak with them and behave from a position of strength, without any sentiment and condescension.

      Hmm, interesting, but are you sure that with this attitude, will anyone listen to you?
      1. Green 413-1685
        0
        14 July 2012 19: 10
        It will be easier without your "tourists". In those districts of Moscow where there are many people from your Central Asian camps, parents are afraid to let their children play in the yard. So a generation is already growing up which will soon solve the Gaster problem in radical ways. And with the closure of the border, I'm sure we will decide.
        And about listening, it makes no sense to talk to you, it makes sense to speak with sane partners, and you have seven Fridays a week. Buy the word gave, buy the word took. We agreed on one thing, and tomorrow you suddenly have new Wishlist. Wait until either the amers democratize you, or the Chinese bend like Tajiks. Or the Yankees will soon drive off from Afghanistan, so where do those warriors of Islam succumb to jihad to arrange as you think? Do you think who will fit for you?
        1. Brother Sarych
          -1
          14 July 2012 19: 18
          I understand that you are a Muscovite and quite young?
          Then much becomes clear, especially the idea of ​​what is happening outside the Moscow Ring Road ...
          1. Green 413-1685
            -2
            14 July 2012 19: 35
            Now yes, I live in Moscow, before that in Novgorod. He traveled enough around the old cities of the Ring to judge them better than yours.
            And about the boundaries of the Moscow Ring Road, you don’t get mantras of white-tape ones here, or you’ll slip into the living, the Central Asian experts on Russia.
            1. matex
              +1
              14 July 2012 19: 39
              And as I understand you, a great connoisseur of Wed.Az.?
              1. Brother Sarych
                +1
                14 July 2012 19: 42
                He is a great connoisseur in the Far East!
                1. matex
                  0
                  14 July 2012 19: 51
                  Quote: Brother Sarich
                  He is a great connoisseur in the Far East!

                  Universal guy smile and youthful maximalism is felt, to block everything, to expel everyone, to speak only from a position of strength, etc. But a hedgehog is understandable that there are no simple solutions in politics.
                  1. Green 413-1685
                    +2
                    14 July 2012 20: 01
                    This is not maximalism, but life experience. It’s not good with you. Do not understand. You take it for weakness, and begin to become impudent in no way. And believe in my position, most of the citizens of my country will agree. Because everyone here has long understood the price.
                    1. Brother Sarych
                      +1
                      14 July 2012 20: 11
                      Yes, fascist idiots divorced above the roof - I’m ready to agree with this ...
                      1. Green 413-1685
                        +1
                        14 July 2012 20: 34
                        You were fascists in Ferghana. Yes, and in other places. It’s not for you to promise it.
                      2. matex
                        0
                        14 July 2012 20: 44
                        The name of Ferghana was also found by a search engine as well as refugees from R. Uz. who haven’t been killed yet? wink
                      3. Green 413-1685
                        +1
                        14 July 2012 21: 36
                        "Go to the import, buy yourself a goose there and fuck ... those are his brain" (C)
                    2. matex
                      -2
                      14 July 2012 20: 15
                      Quote: Green 413-1685
                      This is not maximalism, but life experience. It’s not good with you.

                      Hmm ... well, in principle, it’s clear with you. Continue to think like this only after you should be surprised that even your neighbors begin to dislike you.
                      1. Green 413-1685
                        +1
                        14 July 2012 20: 44
                        But then, apparently, we should love you after this:

                        http://www.google.ru/search?q=%D1%83%D0%B1%D0%B8%D0%B9%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B0+%
                        D1%80%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%85+%D0%B2+%D1%83%D0%B7%D0%B1%D0%B5%D0%BA%
                        D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:ru:of
                        ficial & client = firefox
                      2. matex
                        -1
                        14 July 2012 20: 50
                        AND? You gave a search and didn’t find anything, pichalka ... I don’t write for others, but what and how we lived and how to live in R.Uz. I know better than you and your search engines wink
                        ps
                        and no one asks us to love.
                      3. Green 413-1685
                        +1
                        14 July 2012 21: 35
                        Pichalka that you are so armless, you probably can’t drive a nail into the wall either))
                        Or is censorship already working for you, huh? Confess.
                        Then write easier in the search engine "killing the genocide of Russians in uzbekistan."
                      4. matex
                        0
                        14 July 2012 21: 47
                        Quote: Green 413-1685
                        Or is censorship already working for you, huh? Confess.

                        Ear what insight Mr. Troll. Write, write, as they say, the monitor will endure everything.
                      5. Green 413-1685
                        -2
                        14 July 2012 22: 01
                        You have trolling sooner. After those 80-90 fill us here about the friendship of the simple Uzbek people.
                      6. +3
                        15 July 2012 14: 27
                        Quote: Green 413-1685
                        Then write easier in the search engine "murder genocide of Russians in uzbekistan

                        Genocide is strong. There was a moment when there was a surge of nationalism and anti-Russian sentiment in Uzbekistan, mostly among young people with brainwash. To the credit of the authorities, they quickly "crushed" it. And I personally didn't notice the pogroms. (For information; I am Russian-speaking, that is, Russian is my native language, although I am not Russian, my parents are from the Far East, and I live in Uzbekistan for 46 of my 52 years).
                        You should not so blindly trust everything that is written on the Internet. Why not post lies if you know that you don’t have to answer.
                2. Green 413-1685
                  0
                  14 July 2012 19: 56
                  In order to understand what kind of people you are, it is enough to talk with those whom you did not manage to kill, who managed to escape from your camps. And these are not tens and not hundreds, but tens of thousands. Googol to the rescue.
                  You are Asian connoisseurs of Russia so love, I look to judge and argue about Russia, but you don’t want to hear the truth. Unpleasant, I understand.
                  1. Brother Sarych
                    +1
                    14 July 2012 20: 01
                    Actually, I personally lived a lot more in the Union than with any mustakilliki, then I’m still Russian - why shouldn’t I be interested in living in the former Union? And why don't I know enough about it?
                    1. Green 413-1685
                      -1
                      14 July 2012 20: 17
                      And since a lot has changed since the days of the Union. I don’t know who you are by blood there, although I honestly doubt that it’s Russian. But knowing that there is Russia now, you remind you of some kind of emigrant to Canada or Australia there. So he left the Union 20-30 years, returns and does not recognize. And not only physically, but also so to speak mentally. People think differently, behave, a different rhythm and attitude. So you do not need to try to judge Russia by arguing with a Russian.
                      1. matex
                        +1
                        14 July 2012 20: 35
                        Quote: Green 413-1685
                        I don’t know who you are by blood there, although I honestly doubt that Russian

                        and where does the blood and nationality? and if not Russian, but if he is a native, what do you think will be from the wrong breed? oh and it’s a pity that in schools they stopped punishing negligent students with rods.
                      2. Green 413-1685
                        +1
                        14 July 2012 20: 48
                        Sarych pressured and appealed to nationality, read carefully. This is mostly parallel to me. But the fact that he does not know Russia is a fact.
                      3. Brother Sarych
                        0
                        14 July 2012 20: 36
                        Send you your pedigree? Or ali nose what else will you measure? I regularly visit Russia, both on business and visiting relatives ...
                      4. Green 413-1685
                        0
                        14 July 2012 20: 46
                        That's exactly what you "visit". And we live here. And there is already an opinion in society about your country.
                  2. matex
                    0
                    14 July 2012 20: 09
                    Quote: Green 413-1685
                    to communicate with those whom you did not manage to kill, who managed to escape from your camps

                    I will open another terrible secret in R.Uz. More than 1 million ethnic Russians live. What do you think if they were killed? How do you write what are they still alive? And we drink the blood of all non-Asians and have a bite of virgin meat.
                    1. Green 413-1685
                      0
                      14 July 2012 20: 20
                      There are those who simply have nowhere to go, the reasons are different. By the way, see refugee statistics, learn to use search engines. And there is no need to convince here that they are happy with this choice, it is enough to talk with those who left.
                      1. matex
                        0
                        14 July 2012 20: 32
                        Quote: Green 413-1685
                        There are those who simply have nowhere to go, the reasons are different.

                        And what are the reasons when they start to kill in order to stay, yet they kill as you wrote above?
                        Quote: Green 413-1685
                        By the way, see refugee statistics, learn to use search engines.

                        And how many refugees from R.Uz. already accumulated? can you reference?
                      2. Green 413-1685
                        0
                        14 July 2012 20: 55
                        And what do you think with small children or elderly parents to go to the open field? So I left it at random.
                        About references, are you a child? drive in "Russian refugees from uzbekistan", you will be given about 296000 links. Dig and you will be rewarded.
                      3. matex
                        -1
                        14 July 2012 20: 59
                        Quote: Green 413-1685
                        And what do you think with small children or elderly parents to go to the open field?

                        When they’re killed, there’s no reason to stay and don’t need to la; from here we draw conclusions who writes comments from the bulldozer.
                      4. Green 413-1685
                        +1
                        14 July 2012 21: 31
                        You can hardly see life vilified through the Endless. Sometimes it’s easier to stay at home and in some kind of household, even if there is a big risk than leading children and the elderly to an empty place, and hence to poverty, where there is nothing of their own.
                      5. matex
                        -1
                        14 July 2012 21: 39
                        Quote: Green 413-1685
                        You can hardly see life vilified through the Endless. Sometimes it’s easier to stay at home and in some kind of household, even if there is a big risk than leading children and the elderly to an empty place, and hence to poverty, where there is nothing of their own.

                        I repeat, but when, as you wrote above, they are fleeing from such places without looking back, and no excuses are appropriate here because life is at stake, including the same children of old and disabled people, in your opinion it is better to be a corpse, but at what kind of economy? this is nonsense, I remember the border with Tajikistan in the Samarkand region, from which it was easy to reach Dushanbe when there was a war there, people in the same underwear crossed the border by the fact that there they really killed and no matter who. This is called civil war.
                      6. Green 413-1685
                        +1
                        14 July 2012 22: 11
                        I can give you a bunch of examples of your wrong. The same Grozny where Russians were killed with might and main, everything is not so far, you don't need to cross the border, to Makhachkala and wherever you want. However, thousands remained, fully understanding what it threatens them. Because this is one psychological survival strategy to "hide" in danger, along with the strategy of "escape" and "retaliatory attack". This is how a person is made, do you understand? And if you have children and old people in your arms, then the choice is even more limited. Everyone knows that you have had massive persecutions and murders of Russian-speakers, and to deny this is essentially an attempt to cover up the crime. So do not be surprised at such an attitude towards yourself.
                      7. Brother Sarych
                        0
                        14 July 2012 20: 38
                        And who left found happiness? And here few people need it, it's true, and few people are happy there ...
                      8. Green 413-1685
                        +1
                        14 July 2012 20: 57
                        The fact that Russia is absolutely indifferent to the attitude towards both refugees and repatriates is a fact. And this must be fought.
            2. Brother Sarych
              0
              14 July 2012 19: 49
              In the old cities of the Third Ring Road?
              1. Green 413-1685
                0
                14 July 2012 20: 04
                If you do not know what the Golden Ring of Russia is, then at least do not advertise your ignorance, otherwise you will look silly. And just laugh on the basis of their own ignorance and completely idiocy.
                1. Brother Sarych
                  0
                  14 July 2012 20: 33
                  I know the cities of the Golden Ring, and you?
                  1. Green 413-1685
                    0
                    14 July 2012 20: 58
                    Are you a Jew, or is it a professional hose? I told you about the ring of old cities, so you began to carry some nonsense.
                    1. matex
                      -1
                      14 July 2012 21: 07
                      Quote: Green 413-1685
                      Are you a Jew, or is it a professional hose?

                      And that the word Jew has already become a curse word or are they not the same people as you?
                      1. Green 413-1685
                        0
                        14 July 2012 21: 11
                        No, the Semites are as parallel to me as you are. Do not worry . there is no anti-Semitism. It's just that they have such a similar, peculiar style, especially among the old inhabitants of Odessa, to have a conversation.
                      2. Green 413-1685
                        -3
                        14 July 2012 21: 28
                        By the way, why did you ask only Jews, but didn’t say anything about the hose? I am now forced to assume that you admit that he belongs to this category of rubber things. Congratulations to Sarych)))
                      3. matex
                        0
                        14 July 2012 21: 36
                        Quote: Green 413-1685
                        I am now forced to assume that you admit that he belongs to this category of rubber things. Congratulations to Sarych)))

                        Yes, when there are no arguments go to the person.
                      4. Green 413-1685
                        -2
                        14 July 2012 21: 43
                        The drain is accepted. The inability to adequately answer the opponent is compensated by the complaint "about the personality." Sleep well.
        2. matex
          0
          14 July 2012 19: 34
          Green and calm, good sprinkle with bile. We somehow managed with our own affairs and further we will pull the strap and we will deal with our southern neighbor, we decided before the Americans (until 2001) and we will also decide with their departure.
          "So now a generation is growing up that will soon solve the Gaster problem in radical ways. And with the border closure, I am sure we will." - believe me, this generation has already grown up and, as you put it, has been solving the issue for a long time.

          Quote: Green 413-1685
          So now a generation is growing up that will soon solve the Gaster problem in radical ways. And with the closure of the border, I’m sure we’ll decide.

          Believe me, such a generation has already grown up and has long been resolving the issue as you put it.
          1. Green 413-1685
            +1
            14 July 2012 19: 41
            Bile just spray you. Until 2001, you are nothing from the south. they didn’t decide as a neighbor, there was a war between the Northern Alliance and the Taliban, so they were not up to you, and besides, Russia was still covering you at the border with them. Do not flatter yourself, if these frostbitten jihadists rush in your direction, then you can only shoot yourself.
            1. matex
              0
              14 July 2012 19: 48
              Quote: Green 413-1685
              Until 2001, you are nothing from the south. they didn’t decide as a neighbor, there was a war between the Northern Alliance and the Taliban, so they were not up to you

              Read at your leisure about the leader of the Northern Alliance, General Dostum, and you will understand a little who is with whom and how he fought.
              Quote: Green 413-1685
              besides, then Russia still covered you at the border with them.

              Borders R.Uz. except for the Uzbek border guards, no one has ever covered up, you should not write from the bulldozer of Russian bases on the territory of R.Uz. not when it was not and today no ..
              1. Green 413-1685
                0
                14 July 2012 20: 10
                Have you read carefully? Where did I write specifically from Uzbekistan? I wrote about the border of Afghanistan with the former Union. republics. Specifically, Tajiks. But do you really think that jihadists will stop on Tajiks? Rather, in this impoverished and hungry country, they will only gain strength and recruit supporters, and then they will rush to you with an avalanche. What will you do, hang yourself or shoot?
                1. matex
                  -2
                  14 July 2012 20: 20
                  Quote: Green 413-1685
                  What will you do, hang yourself or shoot?

                  Your dream is apparently to see all the inhabitants as you put it: MILLS either hanged or shot wink I can assure you that you won’t wait, we will live and live long and still try to live happily. And with a neighbor we ourselves will solve issues, including with R.Tzh. the border is locked and mined while the army has combat experience.
                  1. Green 413-1685
                    0
                    14 July 2012 20: 30
                    Oh, these civilian shpaks))) The mined border, thanks made laugh. And about your army, too, it turned out funny. Thank you
                    And about what I dream about there, I spit mostly for your peoples and countries. I do not wish you any special harm, however, as you understand, I am not sorry for you. For what you have done, I think you will be rewarded without Russia. But the border with you, as I wrote, must be closed tightly, and your fellow citizens should be sent back. The union has ended already 20 years ago, live as you like, but Russia should not try to impudent with impunity.
                    1. Brother Sarych
                      0
                      14 July 2012 20: 40
                      Not so trifles and that border, and that army, and especially the SNB ...
                    2. matex
                      +1
                      14 July 2012 20: 41
                      Quote: Green 413-1685
                      Oh, these civilians)))

                      Where themselves probably served as a military department?
                      ps
                      himself a former officer of the Ministry of Internal Affairs R.Uz. in military affairs, man is not an outsider.
                      Quote: Green 413-1685
                      And about what I dream about there, I spit mostly for your peoples and countries.

                      Well, this is already evident.
                      Quote: Green 413-1685
                      I do not wish you any special harm, however, as you understand, I am not sorry for you.

                      Offended you are a guy, oh well, God bless you.
                      Quote: Green 413-1685
                      But the border with you, as I wrote, must be closed tightly, and your fellow citizens should be sent back. The union ended already 20 years ago, live as you like

                      Well, as I wrote above, make fire as they say.
                      1. Green 413-1685
                        0
                        14 July 2012 21: 02
                        Offended, it seems just you. As I wrote above, spit on you. Be careful.
                        I don’t know what kind of officer you are there, apparently at a police station, since you wrote such nonsense.
                      2. matex
                        -2
                        14 July 2012 21: 05
                        Quote: Green 413-1685
                        I don’t know what kind of officer you are there, apparently at a police station, since you wrote such nonsense.

                        But the guy doesn’t advise you to go over to the personality, you smell of triplets from you and, God bless you, run in peace.
                      3. Green 413-1685
                        0
                        14 July 2012 21: 16
                        Well, hysterics began ... "guy" yes "run", by the way, we did not count spikelets in the field together, so deign, sir ....
            2. Brother Sarych
              0
              14 July 2012 20: 04
              Yes, Uzbekistan helped quite a lot to Dostum and the Northern Alliance, in my opinion, all this was done with the consent of Russia, but it was not Russian troops ...
              1. Green 413-1685
                0
                14 July 2012 20: 32
                Haha And where did the weapons flows come from? for Dostum inquire.
                1. matex
                  0
                  14 July 2012 20: 38
                  Quote: Green 413-1685
                  And where did the weapons flows come from? for Dostum inquire.

                  And where? You pros pros know all enlighten.
                  1. Green 413-1685
                    0
                    14 July 2012 21: 08
                    He writes that the former officer, and then begins to clap his ears on the cheeks and perplexedly ask where the logistic support came from to Dostum until 2001. So deign the master himself to work with pens, and look for information.
                    1. matex
                      +1
                      14 July 2012 21: 12
                      Quote: Green 413-1685
                      He writes that the former officer, and then begins to clap his ears on the cheeks and perplexedly ask where the logistic support came from to Dostum until 2001. So deign the master himself to work with pens, and look for information.

                      Yes, here are all your notorious search engines and links, you aren’t without any where only reality is not a search engine. All weapons came from the warehouses of former TurkVO and no need to drive.
                      1. Green 413-1685
                        -1
                        14 July 2012 21: 23
                        Why are you saying that? Write to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation let them laugh.
                      2. matex
                        0
                        14 July 2012 21: 31
                        Quote: Green 413-1685
                        Why are you saying that? Write to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation let them laugh.

                        Do you know what logistics is? Open the card and see where and what is located and how it can be delivered and what the cost will be. And what is the arsenal of TurkVO read and who is Dostum also read.
                      3. Green 413-1685
                        -3
                        14 July 2012 21: 49
                        Oh, at least you yourself try to appreciate the absurdity of your comment. By the way, I’ll help you, deliveries to the Dostum by Russia were heavily lobbied by the United States, however, it was beneficial to us then. And about logistics is not necessary, this is not even funny.
                    2. Yarbay
                      0
                      14 July 2012 21: 17
                      There are no former officers)))
                      1. matex
                        +1
                        14 July 2012 21: 19
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        There are no former officers)))
                        drinks
                2. Brother Sarych
                  0
                  14 July 2012 20: 45
                  Do you know how many weapons have remained since the time of the TurkVO? Not one regional war was enough ...
                  1. Green 413-1685
                    -1
                    14 July 2012 21: 14
                    I just know about the delivery. Those by the way were quite official, so look for and find out about them.
                    1. Brother Sarych
                      0
                      14 July 2012 21: 16
                      You know about chicken tits and fish horns - you didn’t write details about it in Tyrnet and will not write ...
                      1. Green 413-1685
                        -3
                        14 July 2012 21: 21
                        Once again, for you, a lover of chicken titas, the deliveries were quite official, although of course they did not shout about them. Do not be lazy, look.
                      2. Brother Sarych
                        +1
                        14 July 2012 21: 28
                        What are the official shipments? What are you speaking about?
                      3. matex
                        0
                        14 July 2012 21: 33
                        Quote: Green 413-1685
                        Once again, for you, a lover of chicken titas, the deliveries were quite official, although of course they did not shout about them. Do not be lazy, look.

                        Wuhu was straightforward and the contract was signed and Rosoboronexport entered it into the register of its export operations, yeah, it’s exactly that the great search engine gives out.
                      4. Green 413-1685
                        -2
                        14 July 2012 21: 54
                        You seem to have also made it a norm to pretend to be a hose. The help to S.Alyan was so official that it was publicly reported in the central news, well, don’t you have to goof it, well, take an interest, there are probably military people among the acquaintances, army men. Must know.
                      5. matex
                        0
                        14 July 2012 22: 18
                        Explain to you something as I understand it makes no sense. The most important thing I know for sure is that far from most Russians think like you. I didn’t take it from the posikovik. I lived and studied in advanced training courses (be surprised, but we are fully engaged in training military personnel and structural forces). And given that you like to trump the knowledge of the throne in advance, I write that I lived near Karamyshevskaya embankment on the street. People’s militia. And do not write about the wind and the storm and other nonsense.
                        ps
                        when there was a war with the Taliban Sev.Al. how old were you? for interest, far not in 2001, and the amers did not lobby the Taliban for anyone, this is their brainchild that later got out of control and it happened in 2001 ..
                      6. Brother Sarych
                        0
                        14 July 2012 22: 24
                        He just does not know Moscow, so you said it in vain ...
                        What does he know about those Taliban? Well, it was around the era of dinosaurs, so he confuses, if I may say so, era ...
                        Even if our green man is given the opportunity not to get into trouble in a dispute with smart people, then even he will not understand this because of the special wealth of intelligence ...
                      7. Green 413-1685
                        -1
                        14 July 2012 22: 40
                        I see you, although you have merged on all points, but do not miss the chance to grunt at last. By the way, I really liked how you in passing managed to pat yourself on the withers, "they say with smart people." In general, our dispute is easily resolved by comparing what is happening in our countries, the political and economic situation, the state of science and education, the direction of movement of migrant workers. So all your words are just empty words. And in Russia your speeches have long ceased to be believed.
  22. +1
    14 July 2012 20: 09
    Do not be scared by the example of Afghanistan, if not for Russia and some countries, the amers had long since burned the entire population of this country with napalm, so you can close the borders and withdraw bases
  23. Andrey2003
    0
    14 July 2012 20: 21
    You can argue as much as you like about the collapse of the USSR, but the fact that the level of intelligence of immigrants from the SAS is zero is an indisputable fact, which can be seen every day in everyday life!
  24. +3
    15 July 2012 07: 13
    Nice discussion. At the level and in the traditions of an oriental provincial bazaar. It’s not good, gentlemen, officers and the civilians who joined them, of “correct” “not quite” and “completely wrong” nationalities. As they say, you want to ruin the relationship, start to understand them. What is being successfully done here. Apparently, the result will be appropriate and quite predictable.
  25. andrey903
    +1
    15 July 2012 15: 09
    Feed all these main rabbis with laxatives and pot, check for heroin in the rectum
  26. +1
    15 July 2012 15: 49
    Actually, there is only one problem. We need to get away from settlements in dollars. Sits down on currency swaps and makes payments in rubles. And no matter how many Central Asian "aborigines" ask you can print.
    We need to take an example from the Amer and the Angles to change the territory, resources, and indga and people to printed paper.
    1. 0
      15 July 2012 18: 32
      If you want to eat (live), you will not be so heated! laughing
      In general, this whole situation of absurdity and an indicator of their stupidity, both of the rulers and of the ordinary people of those countries.
      In the 90s, they drove the Russians out of their republics, saying that they will live better and happier, and that they say the Russians occupy their jobs! And now, thousands of people travel to the Russian Federation themselves — to work. I was in St. Petersburg last week, so it felt like I was back in Kazakhstan. The same leotards, bathrobes and funny faces are not shaved. So already whole families live there with small children!
      So the desire was to come up and ask - "so why the hell did you kick us out? What are you doing here?"
      1. +2
        15 July 2012 19: 05
        Occasionally, we don’t confuse countries?
        1. -2
          16 July 2012 11: 51
          And what the x ... n difference? Do you see a big difference between KZ and Kyrgyzstan and the Uzbeks? Me not!
          1. 0
            16 July 2012 14: 33
            If you don’t see the difference, then you shouldn’t write!
            I personally see, that's why I asked you.
  27. MIT
    MIT
    -2
    15 July 2012 23: 56
    What we see in the relations of Russia on the one hand and the countries of Central Asia on the other hand is only the visible part of the iceberg, the author of the article seems to me to simplify the question a bit, I think the questions of mutual relations between the countries are much more serious than we imagine !!!!!!! !!!!!

    Before reproaching others, you must first understand your own mistakes, reproach someone is always easy.
    Let's see how long the NATO bloc exists, with the exception of France, none of the countries has left the union. The question is why, why the bloc, which includes many countries (there are even contradictory relations between some), find a common language, but it doesn’t work out in the post-Soviet space.
    And the answer is very simple. It's no secret that the main violin in the NATO bloc is played by the United States, and Russia is in the CSTO.
    Conclusion The United States has an instrument for regulating mutual relations, but Russia does not!
    Let’s think together why it isn’t!
  28. Insurgent
    0
    16 July 2012 00: 33
    Why do Russia need these bases in general, are they also expensive?
  29. -1
    16 July 2012 07: 03
    And because the states have some powerful tools. Firstly, they provide the block participants with access to their high technologies, secondly, they sponsor, under certain conditions, the development and production of weapons by the same allies i.e. contribute to the creation of their jobs. The States provide access to the Allies' products to their market on preferential terms, and the products are not necessarily military. Well, and most importantly, they provide all their industrial military power to an ally if they are attacked or threatened by third countries. And if there is no threat, then they come up with it. Well, for themselves, the States also find something from their allies. So to all this something falls into this union. And further. With the clear dominance of the States in this alliance, they always try to show the allies that everyone has equal rights in the alliance ... but there are also mutual responsibilities. Those. if the States climbed into, say, Afghanistan, then others do not want to, but they have to climb. But if you don’t climb, you look at the import quota for the states of something that you export there has already been cut back, and there you will have to throw out workers who export to the street, and they can even break the glass in parliament and even the faces of parliamentarians. The problem, however. Do they need her?
    1. Insurgent
      +1
      16 July 2012 09: 47
      It’s not fun, at least the benefit from these countries was, but they want to sit on two chairs and have amers and Russia beg for money from Kyrgyzstan, let’s crawl over the border on their knees
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        18 July 2012 19: 25
        Aha! And first, kick out from the territory of the Russian Federation those who have already climbed into it, like cockroaches, legally and illegally from the citizens of these territories. That's when the "prizIdenty" Papuans, too, run in like cockroaches!
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    18 July 2012 19: 23
    It is called: "God save us from such friends, and we ourselves will get rid of enemies!"
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      19 July 2012 09: 17
      The fact that Russia needs to introduce normal immigration law, the regime for its implementation, work visas, etc. undoubtedly. Whether "the presidents of the Papuans" are running in is another question. They didn't give a damn about the fate of ordinary "Papuans" even under the great and mighty USSR, and they couldn't do anything with these presidents, though they didn't really try. Well, do not forget that these same Papuans fought and plowed together with the "white brothers" in the war, gave a lot of what the front needed, sheltered millions of owls of citizens evacuated to those lands and also made their considerable contribution to feeding, shoes and clothes these same brothers. We must also not forget that the Papuans are going to Russian slavery out of "despair". Their children are no different from all other children. Maybe the skin is a little darker. So Russia is not all solid white. Many different shades of both leather and erysipelas. And every "wrong" face and skin the Papuan experience on itself tries on reasonably arguing that she can become the next one to play the role of "Papuan". Therefore, bad tendencies towards self-determination, separation and separation are growing. And therefore again and again. Learn to make friends. There are already enough enemies. Like the Sharikovs inside Russia itself