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Does Russia Another Brezhnev Stagnation?

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Are you criticizing? No. Reasoning. And we discuss on a topic that excites many in the full program. Camo, as they say, coming? Where we are going?




Today, many have embarked on the path of criticism. Not without reason, it should be noted, stood up. There are a number of complaints that you just can’t get past. But in order to make out everything by the bones, you still need to unscrew the wheel of time a little back.

Crazy nineties


Back is where Putin has not yet been in power. Here are many critics then, sorry, walked under the table, and today they are already trying their best to express their only and immutable Opinion. To which everyone is simply obliged to listen, because this is the opinion of the Patriot.

Moreover, patriots can be, you know, on both sides. Nemtsov also believed that he loves Russia. And how Chubais and the like adore him ... Right away.

So, in spite of the very enthusiastic patriots from the side where everything is bad, and without Putin, paradise gardens would bloom and beer rivers flowed, I’ll just remind you a bit from our past. On my memories, so to speak. For he lived in full consciousness and reason, as it were.

So the nineties. Choked with freedom and democracy, so to speak, but it turned out that we still had to eat something. And if in the first half it was possible to somehow live in the army, then in the second everything became completely sad. Plus just epic cuts.

Someone forgot how to get paid? I’m here with syringes, because I was able to get a job at the factory for the production of syringes. And someone with a band-aid or bandage. And so on. But there was simply no money. No, someone they may have been in sufficient quantities, but in a simple life they were not. Some bills of the city administration, regional, regional ... All deceived each other, and lived.

We lived with an outstretched hand, in short. Workers asked directors, directors from ministers, ministers from the president, and the president from Western partners.

Not this way? TV episodes did not start with “joyful” News about giving us the next tranche and waiting for “dolce vita” for the whole country?

That's just how sadly they joked at KVN, "Such amounts do not reach the border with us." And did not reach, and in general the devil knows where these loans went.

True, this did not exempt from payments.

Well, a complete section and redistribution of all property in the country. However, what I am telling you here, we are looking at Ukraine, we see absolutely the same thing there. And remember how it was with us.

As they say, find five differences ...

The war in Chechnya. First one. Which I would call a war of plums and betrayals. The warlords, who had the honor and conscience, tried to do at least something in order to carry out frankly insane and vile orders from above. And save the soldiers.

As they thanked Romanov, Rokhlin, Budanov, probably it’s not worth remembering.

But if something went wrong and the military began to crush the militants, the “Stand!” Command came from above and the next treacherous negotiations began, during which the militants could withdraw, regroup, replenish supplies and continue the war.

And all this against the background of simply stunning reports about how ransoms were collected all over the country so that Russian guys who were captured were not turned into working cattle for gangster rabble on the territory of Chechnya-Ichkeria.

Do you remember the 1999? Export of the struggle for freedom from Chechnya to Dagestan? When did terrorists from "independent Ichkeria" attack Dagestan?

In the same sad year, an absolute record was set for the number of draft-dodgers in the army (44% of those registered in the military).

And the Kremlin hardware games? When in a year two or even three premieres could easily be replaced. Yes, from the “blue eye” we were told about the “search for the right personnel options,” but in reality everything was in the struggle of various groups for power. At least, all these replacements did not bring anything good.

Hence the complete mess in the country. Logical, logical and merciless. Behind-the-scenes showdowns and handouts in the offices resulted in very real bloody shootouts and stabbings in the streets and in offices, and raider seizures became just as ordinary things as stealing a radio from a car in the yard.

In general, what the “family” of Yeltsin did above, the same thing happened below. Unless considering the "height". If in the cabinets everything was more or less even, then "at the bottom" everything was pretty bloody.

Two thousandth-zero


Year 2000 entered history as a record for the number of murders and robberies, according to official reports. You can only figure out how many are not included in the reports. From “hushed” and unaccepted cases to cases when there was no one to write statements.

At the same time, the beginning of the millennium was marked in the same 2000-m record level in terms of suicide. 39 cases on 100 000 residents of the country. After 18 years, it became 13 on 100 000, just as much as in ... USA!

And in the same year Putin came.

It is difficult to say how, why, how much he is to blame, but life began to change.

In the afternoon, or rather, tonight, in any city you can observe the same picture: yards clogged with cars and empty bankrupt parking lots. It’s like reality, and there’s no way to get away from it. An indicator of both well-being and safety.

Reality. The reality was really such that suddenly everyone began to live better. Now everyone has already forgotten, but the program for getting rid of auto-trash, which Putin initiated, has yielded results. Rusty “buckets” disappeared from the streets, they were replaced by conditional, but “Russians”.

Army. Here, too, you can scold anyone and anything, there are a lot of complaints, but: the liquidated war and its skirmishers (and it’s certainly not Putin’s fault that they quickly died out in the zones), I mean the second Chechen army, it helped a lot.

When to repay a debt, albeit conditional, it is necessary for the Homeland, learning how to defend it (the Homeland) correctly, and not go dying under the bullets of professionals trained in Qatar and Saudi Arabia, and even not for two years ...

No need to remind how they look today at those who have not served. It all started then. Yes, not without jambs and shortcomings, but the army began to become an army, and this (personally my opinion) is Putin's great merit.

You can go on long and hard, but there is only one conclusion: considerable work has been done, as a result of which we, the people, have begun to live better and safer.

Crisis line after 2010


Yes, the general masses in this blessed period began to live very well. It is difficult to list all the mechanisms, many will start snorting that “everything is on credit”, but loans were given to the population for everything and everyone! The banks didn’t really hobble, and life was getting a little better.

It is clear that once the welfare of the total mass is dived down steeply, they will immediately begin to undress and undress first the cars, and then the people.

While the cities seem to be calm. The streets are lit up, you can walk on them so far without much concern. True, it is not clear how long this prosperity will last, especially given the constant outflow of personnel from the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the unstable situation in the country as a whole.

But all this in one (well, not in one) moment can change. Although ... Why not in one? It is enough to recall how quickly everyone in the post-Soviet space went wild. Yes, we can talk for a long time about the so-called democracy that has come, but, among other things, let's recall the total wildness of yesterday's Soviet people.

Automatic machines with soda, from which the glasses first disappeared, and then the machines simply ceased to exist. Payphones from which the tubes disappeared so that the technicians did not have time to put new ones. Manholes, ordinary sewer manholes and storm sewer grilles. Urns for decades in parks and streets.

The list goes on and on, but only one question: who did all this? The CIA? Mossad? Al Qaeda?

No, they easily managed their own.

And then they’ll cope quite well, just give me a reason. Total wildness is the eternal companion of any crisis. It was with us, it is in Ukraine, it can be seen in any republic of the former Soviet Union. Even in the Baltic states, but there it’s more difficult to notice wildness, it takes a long time to search for people.

What's the last? That's right, Crimea. It was the apogee of everything, patriotism, trust, adoration, and so on.

Actually, that's all.

You can rant for a long time, but from 2005 to 2015 the years were very, very good. And what's the difference to the average layman, who or what is the reason? World oil prices, a complete blockage of the budget with money, so what was enough for everyone, the effective work of the president and the government?

What difference does it make if you can live well, tasty and safe?

Well, it really was that way! There was an era of golden Brezhnev stagnation, and there was a golden era under Putin.

Crisis 2015 +


Then the crisis began, including due to the Crimea. Moreover, not only because the whole West was sprinkled on us, but also because the Crimea demanded huge cash injections, which the mind never mastered.

It turned out to be interesting in general with Crimea, especially if you look now. Yes, sort of like ours. De facto, even de jure, it seems ... But the cellular companies bashfully offer tariffs “... and on the peninsula”, without indicating which banks we are silent about in Crimea, because it’s a shame, the same is with retailers. In general, a strange situation.

But, apparently, it suits everyone, otherwise there would certainly be some kind of progress.

But then, excuse me, His Majesty Stagnation began. Moreover, stagnation is clearly with a bias towards a decrease in everything. The ruble exchange rate, attitude to the people, everything.

Well, I can’t call progress the increase in the retirement age, the recognition that all previous pension accumulations have been stolen and wasted, and now we will be offered another “new” robbery, which we, naturally, will start from scratch.

The increase in VAT, the triple transport tax, the complete destruction of the entire health care system and education, the total lack of culture in the Ministry of Culture - these, excuse me, are also attributes of the same era. Ours.

Everything is fine with us, gentlemen and ladies from the ministerial chairs speak from the television screens. Doctors get 80 of thousands of rubles, everywhere, and those who quit en masse are just crazy about fat. The same applies to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the list of dissatisfied can be disassembled for a long time.

But we all suddenly began to live longer, the country in a single impulse demonstrates a certain “growth rate of life” at an unprecedented pace for the rest of the world. But is it better? Question…

The main thing is not to rock the boat. We would only have to launch Petrel and Poseidon, and everything will be gorgeous. Because the enemy overseas is not asleep, and only these superfrocks will save us from him.

So he, the enemy, did not doze off in 80 ...

As one of our authors used to say in such cases, “Well, now raise your legs and give up?” It’s strange, there’s no kind of war, but it’s about surrender ... To whom to capitulate, on what terms ... Ah, yes, they (enemies ) wish our natural wealth to gobble up ... Forgot, I repent.

That is, the fact that at our own expense we are pulling these “northern” and “southern” streams to Europe, and Europe is beating off them with all our hands - is that how? It’s strange. They must drive us so that we build faster, and they put sticks in the wheels ... Strange somehow they want to grab our resources. Especially those that we almost forcefully shove them into.

In general, the trend of stagnant winds is traced. Everything is according to the canons: an insidious enemy at the gates, we must rally, be ready to fight ... give a fight (to those who do not dump in Europe), tighten our belts, help our native state survive in an unequal battle ...

The Soviet Union, I recall, did not survive. Although the potential was - Mama Do not Cry. Now many pour tears over bygone times and sigh on the topic “but how it was ...” The whole Yandex Zen in moaning and memoirs.

But the point is not in the memories. The bottom line is that similarities are emerging, and this is very sad.

What is the main similarity? At the actual stop. We, the state, the country, have stopped. After the Crimea, no more successes, on the contrary, the authorities are demonstrating a complete loss of pace.

Indeed, before the Crimea, the state under the command of Putin showed a certain growth. Much has been done both domestically and in foreign relations.

Crimea was a kind of Rubicon, after which things did not go worse, the situation was quite expected and predictable. It is unlikely that anyone doubted that all this would get away with us, so it happened. But in fact it turned out that the country was not ready for such losses.

Of course, bravura reports on the topic that everything that could be imported replaced. The truth is that “all that is possible” is far from all.

One cannot but mention flirting with the people. A “direct line” with the president, which at first looked like something epoch-making, and then turned into the same dull show as “Field of Miracles”.

The hope that when we are in a situation against the rest of the world, all of a sudden the authorities will launch social elevators, turned out to be a dream. On the contrary, everything became even sadder, and appointments are already being made openly not for reasons of professional suitability, but according to the degree of devotion to the very authorities in general and to President Putin in particular.

It remains only by the example of neighbors from Kazakhstan to invent some kind of furious title in order to leave Putin in power.

Perhaps something in this is. At least survivors of the nineties will vote for it easily and naturally. No one wants the return of chaos and that outrage.

2024 boundary. What's next?


The country needs a real breakthrough. You cannot win a race while standing still. You can still raise the retirement age, you can increase taxes, you can drown in money in the budget. But what is the use if, in virtually all sectors, there is an open stomp on the spot?

You can put Putin on the throne for life. It is possible, but is it necessary? Putin-2024 is not at all what Putin-2000 is. These are in fact two completely different people. That, young and ambitious, alas, has already become the property (and rather vivid) of history.

Further actions in the usual “we have no one else” plan, “but there are no competitors”, “but it will only get worse” will lead exclusively to further degradation. And for an example, it’s worthwhile to turn to the very stagnant times when Brezhnev spent the last time sitting in the chair of the Secretary General, and behind the back there was a stubborn struggle for who would sit in this chair.

And, as we all remember, this did not lead to anything good.

Can we repeat it?

Funny slogan for not very smart today is very relevant. The repetition of Brezhnev's stagnation in this interpretation is a very dangerous game. For the country. For stagnation - he is in Africa stagnation.

Some readers, upon reading, will necessarily ask in a dissatisfied tone on the topic “what does the author suggest” or “but there’s no one to choose, they will choose for us”.

Yes, of course they will. Especially if you just sit, and as usual, wait for everything to work out by itself. That good Volodin or good Shoigu will come again, and milk rivers with jelly banks will flow again. Everywhere and everywhere. Like in 2005 +.

Happiness, as they say, is free for all. Especially for those in the cage of power.

Putin has done a great job: he kept the country on the verge of complete collapse and collapse. This merit cannot be forgotten or underestimated. But on the other hand, having kept the country, he left it about there. Not far from the fatal line.

Russia needs a new and young president. Like Putin was in 2000. When there was nowhere worse.

Not the "old new" type of Medvedev, Shoigu, Volodin, but simply new. Young and ambitious. Otherwise, we will be waiting for a repetition of the past in the 80 years of the last century.
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  1. bar
    bar 29 October 2019 15: 12
    -17
    But then, excuse me, His Majesty Stagnation began

    Maybe it's not so bad? Maybe you need to give the people a bit of a break from change?
    Maybe Confucius was right when he said - "God forbid us to live in an era of great changes"?
    Over the past hundred years of these changes, our country has been poured above the roof. From tsarism through socialism to capitalism through two major wars, not counting all sorts of minor ones. Maybe enough for now?
    1. Alexander Suvorov
      Alexander Suvorov 29 October 2019 15: 22
      +53
      bar (andrew)
      Maybe it's not so bad? Maybe you need to give the people a bit of a break from change?
      That's it, that's not bad. I remember this time with nostalgia. Yes, they lived maybe not richly, but not poorly, and most importantly happily. We were friends, we went to visit each other. The main thing for people was stability, and in everything. No one was shaking from the fact that you were about to get fired and there would be nothing for you to feed your family. It was ice cream made from milk, and sausage made from meat, as if someone were not joking about it now, but that was exactly so. And the concept of GOST was not an empty phrase and a temptation on the label as it is now.
      We profiled a great country, exchanged GOST for a beautiful candy wrapper with a ram inside ... Pichalka crying
      1. taurtaurov
        taurtaurov 29 October 2019 15: 45
        +18
        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
        bar (andrew)
        Maybe it's not so bad? Maybe you need to give the people a bit of a break from change?
        That's it, that's not bad. I remember this time with nostalgia. Yes, they lived maybe not richly, but not poorly, and most importantly happily. We were friends, we went to visit each other. The main thing for people was stability, and in everything. No one was shaking from the fact that you were about to get fired and there would be nothing for you to feed your family. It was ice cream made from milk, and sausage made from meat, as if someone were not joking about it now, but that was exactly so. And the concept of GOST was not an empty phrase and a temptation on the label as it is now.
        We profiled a great country, exchanged GOST for a beautiful candy wrapper with a ram inside ... Pichalka crying

        The door was not closed, and if it was closed, the key was under the rug, but there was time
        1. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 29 October 2019 19: 44
          -17
          Quote: taurtaurov
          The door was not closed, and if it was closed, the key was under the rug, but there was time

          Maybe it was somewhere in a town far from the capitals, or in a taiga village ... In other cities and towns of the USSR, they poked so that the soles of shoes were cut off on the go! One Uzbek business was worth ... Cotton, and sturgeon caviar from cans "sprat in tomato"! And the thugs from production, and the trade mafia, and the all-powerful crony, and the trade in deficit, and the special rations, the special rest homes, and the special hospitals for the partners ... There was anything ... And there will always be, such is human nature ... Based on the truths repeatedly repeated by the author about the detrimental influence of Crimea for the fate of Russia .. , + the latest weapons. I propose -Give Crimea to Sevastopol! To abandon all Albatrosses and Poseidons! To apologize to Trump and the entire civilized world ask ISIS forgiveness , leave Syria ... In the end, we don’t care about these bases in the Mediterranean Sea on the Syrian shores ... Let’s concentrate and take a break, Let’s surrender the Donbass .. Let’s surrender the Kuril Islands .. Kaliningrad.. We’ll choose a new prezik ... Like Pan Ze ... And we will live! - This is the main idea of ​​the author of this opus. ! good
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 29 October 2019 22: 59
            +1
            Quote: 30 vis
            Everything was ... And it will always be, such is human nature ... Based on the truths repeatedly repeated by the author about the harmful influence of Crimea for the fate of Russia .., + the latest weapons. I offer - Give Crimea with Sevastopol! To abandon all Albatrosses and Poseidons! To ask for forgiveness from Trump and the entire civilized world, to ask for forgiveness from ISIS, to leave Syria ... In the end, we don’t give a dam to these bases in the Mediterranean Sea on the Syrian shores ... Let’s concentrate and ponder, We’ll hand over the Donbass .. We’ll give the Kuril Islands .. Kaliningrad .. Choose a new prezik ... Like Pan Ze ... And we will heal! - This is the main idea of ​​the author of this opus. !

            Think right. For some reason, they are trying to evaluate the topic of the acquisition of Crimea by the ruble and by how this acquisition "emptied" the pockets of Russian inhabitants, and not by the fact that with its acquisition Russia received an indisputable advantage in the Black Sea, which cannot be assessed at all, since the establishment of the American base on This peninsula turned into much greater losses for Russia. One transfer of the base from Sevastopol and the construction of a new, similar base somewhere in Novorossiysk would cost Russia tens of billions, not counting the loss of the capabilities of the combat use of the fleet and the ability to geopolitically influence current processes due to the fact that the agenda in the Black Sea region today would be dictated from the USA and every exit of our ships, we would have to coordinate with mattresses.
            1. meandr51
              meandr51 30 October 2019 13: 29
              -1
              Why spend money on security? S t.z. author, it is more profitable to boldly and ambitiously abandon all bases, and then from the army in general. No one just thought of it!
            2. volodimer
              volodimer 1 November 2019 19: 28
              -2
              Dmitry, I share your opinion about Crimea and the significance of his return, but I completely disagree with Yuri. Alexander and Taur are right: they lived together, not rich, but not poor, and most importantly happily, Vladivostok, of course, he is a distant city ... but Nashensky laughing (V.I. Lenin), definitely not taiga villagebut they lived that way.
              Cotton, and sturgeon caviar from cans "sprat in tomato"! And the thieves from production, and the trading mafia, and the all-powerful crony, and trade in deficit, and special rations, special rest homes, and special hospitals for part nomenclature this is what the OBHSS struggled with and raised more fear in the defendants than all prosecutors, investigative committees, the Federal Security Service of the Russian Guard, etc. taken together.
              Well, Yuri just didn’t ask for the final, in the article of Roman of conclusions about the harmful influence of Crimea for the fate of Russia no.
              The article that we need a new leader who can move the country further, as the current one, has clearly lost track.
              And for Sergey, I’m not a communist, but I set Yuri minus for the reasons mentioned above. hi
              The role of Communists and Communists in the history of our country is a separate conversation
              Yours!
              1. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky 1 November 2019 21: 56
                +3
                Quote: volodimer
                Yours!

                Yours!
                Quote: volodimer
                The article that we need a new leader who can move the country further, as the current one, has clearly lost track.

                In some ways you are right, and in some ways you are not. Stagnation, it is like a faceted glass - multifaceted. The main thing is that there would be an understanding of where we are going? If we assess the steps that are being taken in the external direction, then here we are marching in such a way that even the population of the most democratic countries look at us with some envy and not hiding their annoyance say that they would have such a president as the GDP, instead of those presidents who represent their countries and openly merge the interests of the population of these countries. And if you look at the steps that are being taken inside the country, then yes, there is great disappointment due to the fact that these steps clearly do not correspond to the interests of the majority of the population and are aimed at supporting the trousers of the minority, which fall from their wearers because their pockets are full measures. Only in the search for a golden mean, where everyone's pockets would be fairly balanced, one can come to the conclusion that some third party will become the main beneficiary. Assessing the history of Russia, we can say that against the background of a millennium of its history, the seventy-year period of the communist "ruler" became a breakthrough and probably salvific for Russia, since the reserve that was made in those 70 years in its defense capability is today its main amulet. It is simple to stigmatize the communists, it is difficult to assess their contribution to what today is the main base in the confrontation with the United States in maintaining peace, namely the achieved parity in nuclear weapons and their means of delivery. Could we have done this while maintaining the monarchy, a moot point.
                1. volodimer
                  volodimer 2 November 2019 18: 07
                  0
                  Here I am ready to subscribe for every word. I was hooked on your "think correctly" under Yuri's comment. I think that the three of us could easily find a common language, paying tribute to the communist idea and how much it contributed not only to development, but simply to the existence of our country. And also, we would agree on, I will write modestly, censure of some representatives of the Communist Party, whose activities ... (you cannot write without obscenities).
                  Well, about the current situation, you wrote everything correctly, only the brilliant successes of foreign policy do not cancel the need for at least an acceptable domestic one. Not only do I not dispute, the thesis that after EBN we began to live better, I am sure of this, but the absence of positive dynamics, and recently the presence of negative, I see, feel. Under the Communists there was always a hope for improvement, and this hope was justified, and although the pace of these improvements was less than expected, but they were. And now ... if this year has not become worse than the previous one, then this is already good. With such an attitude, what a bright future to think about ... To survive to retirement fellow but no ... now not even all deputies live to see it ...
                  Thought spilled over the tree ... laughing
                  Best regards hi
                  1. Nyrobsky
                    Nyrobsky 2 November 2019 19: 06
                    +1
                    Quote: volodimer
                    I think that the three of us would easily find a common language, paying tribute to the communist idea and the contribution it made not only to the development, but simply to the existence of our country. And also, we would agree, I will write modestly, censure some representatives of the Communist Party, whose activities ... (you won’t write without mats).

                    I thank Volodimir, but despite the fact that I myself share more the ideas of socialism and communism than capitalism with squeezing all the juices out of hard workers and liberals with their monetization of ordinary human needs, I still prefer non-aligned status and I am not a supporter of coalitions. Rational thoughts are fired both among the supporters of the Communists and their opponents, especially in relation to the current state of affairs both in Russia and abroad.
                    Quote: volodimer
                    Under the Communists there was always a hope for improvement, and this hope was justified, and although the pace of these improvements was less than expected, but they were. And now ... if this year has not become worse than the previous one, then this is already good.
                    It's right. hi
                    1. volodimer
                      volodimer 2 November 2019 19: 24
                      +1
                      Why Volodymyr ... Vladimir Vladimirovich, you can simply, and he managed to laughing Recently it happened, I got on a birthday, where another guest, Dmitry Anatolyevich (coincidentally), congratulated the birthday boy in chorus. Not every governor has such a thing.
                      1. Nyrobsky
                        Nyrobsky 2 November 2019 21: 11
                        0
                        Quote: volodimer
                        But Volodymyr, it’s possible ... you can simply Vladimir Vladimirovich, and I managed to do it recently. It happened so recently, I got on a birthday, where we were with another guest, Dmitry Anatolyevich (well, it coincided)

                        laughing Well, it’s not you who was called under them, but them under you! good
                      2. volodimer
                        volodimer 2 November 2019 21: 38
                        +1
                        Yes, but you will not deny your parents foresight .. laughing
                        Departed, a year ago, a work colleague under 65 years old, he was Boris Afrikanovich.
                        His grandfather and grandmother had a perverted sense of humor. Although the son was: Afrikan Burov and that sounds impressive. what middle name did Afrikan we did not ask.
                    2. E_V_N
                      E_V_N 2 November 2019 22: 44
                      0
                      You are reasoning correctly, but you forget one essential point, being a Great Power is a very expensive pleasure, for this, first, and second, and third of all, you need to have a strong competitive economy. Otherwise, this is all "show-off" and a waste of huge funds. We can talk about parity as much as we like, win in Syria, forgive Africa's debts, but we will not achieve real respect.
                      Why is the West looking at the Russian Federation with caution? Yes, everything is simple, seeing the state of the Russian economy there they understand that the image of the World Power as itself is not a burden for the Russian Federation, therefore there are only 2 options, either at the helm of a suicide, which is unacceptable for a country with nuclear weapons, or the Russian Federation wants to solve internal problems by seizing neighboring states that smells of the 3rd world.
                      PS China has become a world power simply leading its economy to the leaders, without any Syria and Africa.
          2. Sergey1987
            Sergey1987 30 October 2019 12: 02
            -9
            Quote: 30 vis
            Cotton, and sturgeon caviar from cans "sprat in tomato"! And the thieves from production, and the trading mafia, and the all-powerful crony, and the trade in deficit, and the special rations, the special rest homes, and the special hospitals for the part nomenclature

            Minusanuli you for the truth. It is true for the Communists that they stole not sourly.
            1. Xnumx vis
              Xnumx vis 30 October 2019 13: 13
              +10
              Quote: Sergey1987
              Minusanuli you for the truth. It is true for the Communists that they stole not sourly.

              Minusanuli degradants! These are puppet communists! Real COMMUNISTS were the first to attack the enemy. They built, served in the army and navy. My father kept a party ticket until his death hour. Destroyer squadron commander. Honest and decent man ... Such as he was millions of Communists! ... And the whole party elite of the USSR was rotten and corrupt .. She betrayed her people, sold the country for thirty Gorbachev silver coins ... They settled the deficit, nepotism, corruption, theft ... They ruined their people .. Judge those responsible for the collapse of the country! Arrange a demonstration tribunal ... For the edification of future traitors and thieves!
              1. Sergey1987
                Sergey1987 31 October 2019 16: 48
                -1
                Quote: 30 vis
                Minusanuli degradants! These are puppet communists!

                Totally agree with you. Under the guise of the ideas of communism, they want once again to share and grab everything. They shout about terrible corruption (as if it is not in other countries), they do not like to remember about corruption in the USSR. We’d even watch the Soviet Mafia series.
            2. meandr51
              meandr51 30 October 2019 13: 30
              +1
              The Communists stole sour cabbage very sour. While they were communists, of course. Not that now ...
        2. vlad106
          vlad106 3 November 2019 10: 11
          +1
          Quote: taurtaurov
          The door was not closed, and if it was closed, the key was under the rug, but there was time

          In Brezhnev’s times, it was pretty calm and reliable. The industry of the USSR was powerful, it worked with might and main even in several shifts, machine tools and equipment were produced in abundance. The people were confident in a decent old age. And all the best was CHILDREN
      2. Greg Miller
        Greg Miller 29 October 2019 16: 45
        +51
        For 30 years of Yeltsin's collapse and Putin's stability, not even a hundredth part of what the country created during the Brezhnev era, which the maggots ruling in Russia and devouring the country now call "stagnation" ... About such a "stagnation" as in the Brezhnev era , today we can only dream ...
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 29 October 2019 17: 58
          -26
          In the era of Brezhnev, the current elite was born. And the power with crime has grown together. This is the highest achievement of the Brezhnev era. Well, still a total deficit of everything and everything.
          1. Alena Frolovna
            Alena Frolovna 29 October 2019 21: 08
            +1
            For 30 years of Yeltsin’s collapse and Putin’s stability, not even a hundredth of what the country created in the Brezhnev era was created

            “All of us, current people, live more squandering the benefits that our predecessors once created. ”
            Simon Frank, a Russian philosopher, wrote these lines shortly after the revolution, as if about today.
          2. Lannan Shi
            Lannan Shi 29 October 2019 21: 51
            +15
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            In the era of Brezhnev, the current elite was born. And the power with crime has grown together.

            And in the elevator with the rat rats start up. So the seed is evil. Burn the grain and blow up the elevator. However, she was late with recommendations. Already burned.
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 29 October 2019 21: 55
              -6
              It depends on which rats. If the plague, then yes - burn the elevator, along with the grain. And the owner of the elevator whose rats are in the elevator is bad.
              1. DEDPIHTO
                DEDPIHTO 30 October 2019 03: 38
                +8
                Quote: AU Ivanov.
                It depends on which rats. If the plague, then yes - burn the elevator, along with the grain. And the owner of the elevator whose rats are in the elevator is bad.

                Well, today the plague is rampant corruption, and the guarantor is the owner of the elevator where these plague rats have dug in. You already figure it out for yourself, tackle this mess or listen to your own advice ... winked
                1. Fan-fan
                  Fan-fan 30 October 2019 16: 30
                  +4
                  Probably AS Ivanov, without suspecting the truth, said that the "owner" was to blame. And who is the boss in Russia? It's clear - Putin and Medvedev.
          3. vlad106
            vlad106 3 November 2019 10: 13
            +1
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            still a total deficit of everything and everything.

            deficit was created artificially. Zionist mafia whose purpose was the destruction and plunder of the country
      3. alexmach
        alexmach 29 October 2019 18: 31
        +5
        That's it, that's not bad. I remember this time with nostalgia

        And how did it end, too, remember? Has perestroika not grown out of stagnation?
      4. SHURUM -BURUM
        SHURUM -BURUM 29 October 2019 19: 02
        +12
        I remember this time with nostalgia
        And as soon as the next house was handed over, the movement of the waiting list began. It was clear to everyone - a little more and you will be the first in the line for the apartment. It was during the era of stagnation that my family and I got a relying free apartment.
      5. bar
        bar 30 October 2019 10: 07
        0
        What is characteristic, your message
        That's it, that's not bad.

        earned +27, while my original
        Maybe it's not so bad?

        only -11
        Where is the logic? The riddle ...
        Personally, I stepped on someone's favorite callus?
      6. bar
        bar 5 November 2019 11: 35
        0
        Maybe it's not so bad?

        That's it, that's not bad.

        It seems that we are about the same thing, but you have +54, and I have -17.
        Where is the logic? Or the machinations of the editors of the site? I already asked to delete my account, since I have not come to your court, I ask again.
    2. kjhg
      kjhg 29 October 2019 15: 24
      +23
      Quote: bar
      Maybe it's not so bad?

      For those who are not bad stuck to the feeder -, yes, of course not bad. But for those 50% who cannot afford to buy a second pair of shoes a year (according to the Federal State Statistics Service) - bad.
      In general, the novel in this article tried to please those who for being approved, and those who enough, you can’t live like that anymore.
      Russia needs a new and young president. Like Putin was in 2000. When there was nowhere worse.
      Maybe enough for us Putin? Does it happen that suddenly oil will no longer take off from $ 25 to $ 150? Then the affairs of the new, young Putin will be like the old, the present.
      1. bar
        bar 29 October 2019 15: 30
        -35
        The number of cars with which all yards are clogged refute data from the Federal State Statistics Service.
        And the poor (for various reasons) are in any country at any time.
        1. kjhg
          kjhg 29 October 2019 15: 34
          +33
          Quote: bar
          The number of cars with which all yards are clogged refute data from the Federal State Statistics Service.

          If you compare the amount of family debt to banks (loans) then and now, then the picture will become clear to you. Even in Uzbekistan and Tajikistan, yards are crammed with cars. Also from the fact that they thrive? Don't think No.
          1. bar
            bar 29 October 2019 15: 38
            -25
            If you are talking about mortgage loans, let me remind you that in the Brezhnev era people waited for "free" apartments for decades. And now there is a choice, wait or live right away. If you are talking about loans for iPhone checks, then there were also enough stupid people at all times.
            1. kjhg
              kjhg 29 October 2019 15: 44
              +25
              Quote: bar
              And now there is a choice, to wait or live right away.

              Having overpayed as a result for a loan taken 2 - 3 times.
              Quote: bar
              If you are talking about loans for iPhone checks

              Of course, there are those too. But, often people take a loan to a salary stupidly to live up to it. Someone had to dress a child to send to school. And someone just got sick and he had to spend money on treatment, because otherwise he would have died. Have you heard of working beggars, no?
              1. bar
                bar 29 October 2019 15: 47
                -28

                Having overpayed as a result for a loan taken 2 - 3 times.

                I repeat, "but now there is a choice."
                1. kjhg
                  kjhg 29 October 2019 15: 52
                  +28
                  Which choice? Now it’s just not there. An ordinary person simply can not buy an apartment without taking a mortgage. Accumulate on it is not real. And before, for such there was an opportunity to get an apartment for free. Say you wouldn’t wait? And you compare how cities were built before and now. They used to grow like mushrooms after rain.
                  1. bar
                    bar 29 October 2019 15: 56
                    -46
                    Get off already with an armored car with your fairy tales about mushrooms.
                  2. Andrey VOV
                    Andrey VOV 29 October 2019 16: 03
                    0
                    Wait .... like mushrooms after rain in the 70-80s? Do not you confuse the post-war period with the first five-year plans?
                    1. bar
                      bar 29 October 2019 16: 05
                      -28
                      Gargantua’s campaign either forgot everything or studied the Brezhnev period from the stories of elders
                  3. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 29 October 2019 16: 07
                    +26
                    Quote: kjhg
                    And you compare how cities were built before and now. They used to grow like mushrooms after rain.

                    Yeah, I’ve recently looked through a photo of the construction of Togliatti. The pace was really amazing. He also paid attention to the faces of people. There was so much optimism and joy on their faces, not like now. And this is with shortages, queues and modest living space.
                    Eh, rewind 35 years ago .... crying
                    1. bar
                      bar 29 October 2019 16: 15
                      -23
                      Yeah, I’ve recently looked through a photo of the construction of Togliatti. The pace really hit

                      You forget that in Togliatti at that time one-time Hundreds of thousands of homeless people arrived and urgently needed to be accommodated. And the pace of construction was really impressive. But in reality, it was not so glamorous. Personally, I have been waiting for my "free" apartment for exactly 13 (thirteen) years, living with two children in communal apartments. And the faces, yes, were cheerful. Young because.
                      1. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 29 October 2019 16: 22
                        +17
                        Quote: bar
                        Personally, I have been waiting for my "free" apartment for exactly 13 (thirteen) years, living with two children in communal apartments.

                        The bulk received faster, and not only in Tolyatti. Especially with two children. I now pay a mortgage of 15 years, with three children.
                        Quote: bar
                        And yes, the faces were cheerful. Young because.

                        And now there are no young ones? belay
                      2. bar
                        bar 29 October 2019 16: 29
                        -16
                        The bulk received faster, and not only in Tolyatti.

                        There was a general queue at the plant (Avtovaz), and my colleagues with my work experience received housing with me. So what about the "main mass" you light up. There were, of course, all sorts of thieves, beggars and confidants, but they still did not reach the main mass.

                        And now there are no young ones?

                        Of course I have. But you can’t make out cheerful faces, they all stumbled into the phones.
                      3. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 29 October 2019 16: 33
                        +13
                        Quote: bar
                        There was a general queue in the factory (AvtoVAZ), and my colleagues with my work experience received housing with me.

                        Yes, but apartments were given faster than at 13 years old. Mother on the VAZ all her life plowed, and in the 88th he did the same on the VAZ. At the end of the Union, they really began to give less often, but in the 70s and early 80s they quickly gave.
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                  4. AU Ivanov.
                    AU Ivanov. 29 October 2019 17: 55
                    -16
                    About the opportunity to get an apartment, tell the residents of St. Petersburg communal apartments. Which there, often, pushed their whole lives. It was unrealistic to wait in line for a cooperative. A common person? My youngest (an ordinary freelance programmer), however, was able without a mortgage. Not mansions, but odnushka on the secondary, but however, I was able to buy. I would have lived with my parents, without any chance of my own housing.
                2. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 29 October 2019 15: 58
                  +7
                  Quote: bar
                  I repeat, "but now there is a choice."

                  There is always a choice, but before it was wider. Now there is a wider assortment, not a choice.
                  1. bar
                    bar 29 October 2019 16: 00
                    -19

                    There is always a choice, but before it was wider

                    And deeper ...
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              2. bar
                bar 29 October 2019 15: 51
                -21
                Have you heard of working beggars, no?

                Well, yes, in Brezhnev’s times, of course, there weren’t any. And everyone lived exclusively in chocolate.
                1. martin-159
                  martin-159 31 October 2019 15: 16
                  +1
                  Well, in the garbage dumps, no one was picking.
            2. balunn
              balunn 29 October 2019 16: 01
              +17
              let's compare loans in the Czech Republic and in Russia with one famous bank and everything will fall into place. And I don’t need to say that inflation and ours are different .... who makes this inflation?
              1. Edik
                Edik 29 October 2019 16: 11
                -15
                Quote: balunn
                let's compare loans in the Czech Republic and in Russia with one famous bank and everything will fall into place.

                Cyril you know a word like competition? I highly recommend that you get to know her more seriously.
                1. balunn
                  balunn 29 October 2019 16: 23
                  +15
                  Competition is when one bank has a loan of 5%, and another bank has 6%, and not one bank has 12% for some countries, but 5% for others.
                  1. Edik
                    Edik 29 October 2019 16: 32
                    -10
                    Quote: balunn
                    not one bank has 12% for some countries, but 5% for others.

                    Isn't Cyril obvious that in other countries he is forced to compete with other banks and with different rates?
                    1. balunn
                      balunn 29 October 2019 16: 47
                      +16
                      and in our country to tear to the fullest ..... so it turns out we have African countries we can forgive 20 billion debts, and in our country we keep inflation at the level of 10% official, and unofficial so all 20. The same is with the cost of fuel . Like autumn spring, so the fuel for some reason grows regardless of the price per barrel and does not decrease later.
                      1. Edik
                        Edik 29 October 2019 17: 12
                        -6
                        Quote: balunn
                        and in our country to tear to the fullest ..... so it turns out we have African countries, we can forgive 20 billion debts, and in our country we keep inflation at 10%

                        The CBRF is gradually lowering the rate, which cannot but rejoice! If you think that in the USA we always said that the rate was around zero, then this is not so, they also used this tool and sometimes their rate reached 20%.
                      2. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. 29 October 2019 20: 00
                        -8
                        Loans to African countries, non-repayable loans, gave the USSR. Imagine your dad gave a homeless loan. Can you repay the debt?
                      3. balunn
                        balunn 30 October 2019 10: 21
                        +3
                        And you can give a bum after that still? Personally, I do not.
                2. Revival
                  Revival 29 October 2019 19: 08
                  0
                  Can a comment be even more empty in meaning? Or am I asking too much?
              2. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. 29 October 2019 19: 55
                -9
                In what currency does one well-known bank in the Czech Republic issue loans?
            3. astepanov
              astepanov 29 October 2019 18: 07
              +21
              Quote: bar
              And now there is a choice, to wait or live right away.

              Is there an option when you wait - and you get? Have you fallen from the moon, or what? And to live with a predatory loan, when you give everything that you earned - is this, in your opinion, life?
              And the article is really strange. So, they lived badly in the nineties, but Putin came and everything was fine - this is one of the messages of the article. But there is something unsaid: Putin is the protégé of those who arranged the "dashing nineties", he is doing this for them first of all, and for the rest - on a leftover principle. Where is the stop to withdraw money to offshore? Where is the fair trial for corrupt officials? Where is the reduction in drug flow? Where is the growth of commodity production? Where is the affordable housing, education, medicine, about which lies for twenty years? I would tell you where, but I already have two warnings.
            4. Revival
              Revival 30 October 2019 12: 17
              +5
              What choice are you talking about now? Now there is also an alternative to a mortgage, such as waiting for a free apartment?
              Did not know.
              Tell me where is this mass phenomenon?
            5. Stas157
              Stas157 30 October 2019 13: 51
              +9
              Quote: bar
              in Brezhnev times people were waiting for "free" apartments not one decade. And now there is a choice, to wait or live right away

              Lies!

              I lived in the USSR less than two decades. During this time my parents three times! received apartments from the USSR. But from the new order, they received nothing but problems and robberies (15 thousand on the book of full-fledged Soviet rubles turned into zero). And so and so far they, now together, live in a four-room apartment received in the distant USSR is free.
          2. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 29 October 2019 15: 59
            -1
            that would be clear. all prosperous countries have tightly covered loans. as Switzerland the leader of this race. the fact is how much they take and how they pay. and these are different things. credit is just a tool.
          3. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 29 October 2019 19: 55
            -10
            Quote: kjhg
            I do not think

            This is in vain! Think well ... Think ..? Young people now go on vacation around the world! They buy apartments, teach children .. Yes, they work a lot and hard ... But they also get normal money for their work! To everyone according to work !!!! At one time, we also worked a lot and hard, served, received a penny !! Imported women's boots cost 150 rubles, Lewis jeans 250 rubles, Adidas sneakers 50 rubles, color TV 850 rubles, Refrigerator 450-650 rubles, Lada car 6500 rubles, Volga 8500-12 thousand rubles ... And all this was not on sale ! All according to the blat, All according to the distribution, all with the overpayment! ... The salary of the middle-level technical engineer is 145 rubles ... Senior lieutenant 180 -240 rubles The worker 220 rubles ... Something like that!
            1. Gardamir
              Gardamir 29 October 2019 20: 37
              +7
              Women's imported boots
              Oh gentlemen consumers. why are you standard, but predictable. Then your cars are scattered in the yards, then defsit. And now there is no import all around native Chinese. And if you take the price ratio. then those boots should now cost about 25 thousand. Show me where you will buy your livays and how much they will cost. How much is the real non-Chinese Adidas now and is it possible to buy it or, again, in short supply. Lada car is worth four hundred thousand. and what salary now?
              1. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. 29 October 2019 22: 07
                -7
                Levays cost about $ 70, that is, they are quite accessible to anyone. The Lada car now costs ten average salaries, but not 35, as with the Union and not by appointment, but here and now. And since the conversation went about prices: the Soviet doctor’s sausage cost 2.90, as I remember now. We multiply by 200 (the ruble of the Russian Federation to the ruble of the USSR ~ 200: 1) and we get 580 rubles per kilo.
                1. Revival
                  Revival 30 October 2019 12: 23
                  +5
                  Lada costs 10 average salaries !?
                  Where are these average salaries?
                  Have 20 percent or less?
                  1. AU Ivanov.
                    AU Ivanov. 30 October 2019 12: 25
                    -9
                    Grant costs about 400 sp. Just one tenth of the salary, even less. I personally do not know a single person with a salary below 40. More - as much as you like.
                    1. Revival
                      Revival 30 October 2019 12: 27
                      +5
                      Funny
                      Only something the median sn, even according to the government Rosstat, does not reach 25
                      1. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. 30 October 2019 13: 04
                        -5
                        Does Rosstat count salaries in envelopes? And we have almost 40% of them. Does Rosstat take self-employed income into account? So they told you about their income, this is fraught. How many people are renting an apartment?
                        My son, for example, is officially unemployed. In fact - a programmer on free bread with a non-acidic income. But he will never tell Rosstat about this, he will turn a beggar on, so there is less demand.
              2. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 29 October 2019 22: 07
                0
                they are worth it) my wife I don’t remember spending less on shoes at least once)
              3. Xnumx vis
                Xnumx vis 29 October 2019 22: 12
                -3
                Quote: Gardamir
                Oh gentlemen consumers. why are you standard, but predictable.

                Set an example, give up the benefits of the world. dress in rags. live in a dugout, eat roots and acrid trees ... You are not a consumer! Lewis cost 5-7 thousand rubles is 100 dollars. , but not 250 rubles, which at the rate of the USSR was equal to 410 US dollars.
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          4. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 29 October 2019 19: 58
            -8
            That is, a loan is such a form of freebie and you do not need to give it back. Most cars around the world are bought on credit. Normal world practice.
        2. 210ox
          210ox 29 October 2019 18: 17
          +3
          In Zimbabwe, the number of vehicles is also not weak. But this does not mean welfare. Here in particular, why can’t they buy a pair of shoes? Yes, because the loan must be given five years.
        3. Revival
          Revival 29 October 2019 19: 07
          +3
          You are only considering five cities?
          Here I have an Astrakhan region, for example, do you want to find clogged parking lots there with normal cars?
          At least domestic, at least some?
          Or is it not Russia?
          Or is it only in Astrakhan, and not only in the 5th cities of the largest cars?
          1. Azis
            Azis 30 October 2019 06: 26
            +5
            Quote: Revival
            Do you want to find clogged parking lots there with normal cars?
            Look around the administration, the police department, the FSB, the regional traffic police, etc.
        4. Gardamir
          Gardamir 29 October 2019 20: 20
          +6
          The number of cars with which all yards are clogged
          Are you skipping work? You have changed the manuals.
          And under Ivan the Terrible. all yards were packed with horses. And under Putin, smartphones and the Internet. But under the Soviet regime was not. Do you even understand all the nonsense you are writing about?
          Well, nothing, soon you will be blocked and this pride. Parking in Moscow is paid. I mean roadsides. Now parking in the yards will be paid, more and more toll roads
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 29 October 2019 21: 23
            -8
            In the 80s, cars were no longer luxury. But not in the USSR. In the West there were already traffic jams and parking problems. For some reason, this was not with us; not everyone could afford a car. Well, the level of motorization is one of the indicators of the welfare of the population.
          2. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 29 October 2019 22: 09
            +2
            and what's wrong with that?) at least they will unload the roads because it’s a nightmare
        5. Mikhail Zarokov
          Mikhail Zarokov 29 October 2019 20: 46
          0
          Clogged to the eyeballs?
        6. AA17
          AA17 30 October 2019 12: 26
          +3
          Dear bar. About personal vehicles. The technological order has changed in the world. Many technical processes have become automated. The car replaced the horse, and power was measured in horsepower. For many Russians, a car helps them quickly and comfortably solve various work-related issues. You could say it's a "workhorse." Let's draw an analogy. If you recall the history, then ...
          "... On the basis of the horse census of 1882, the total number of horses in European Russia, excluding the Caucasus and Finland, was found to be more than 21000000, or 100 horses per 25,5 inhabitants, including 19,3 horses of working age, while in other European states have from 2 to 17 horses and only in the United States 24,3. But this ratio of horses to the population in the Samara, Orenburg and Astrakhan provinces is 55. The smallest figure falls on the Privislyansk provinces - 16,2 and 10,2. The horse census of 1888, which surveyed 41 provinces, showed that the entire horse population of these provinces was determined at 12675657 heads and that the increase in the horse population there since the 1882 census was 619758 heads ... Although Russia is very rich in the number of horses, it is impossible say the same about their quality; in most localities K. is carried out in the most primitive way, which is why the predominant type is the Russian peasant horse, which does not satisfy the most modest requirements with its constitution, pr for a workhorse. But its advantages include endurance, unpretentiousness to feed, in general, the ability to adapt to various conditions of detention and suitability for both agricultural work and the transportation of heavy loads over long distances ... "Source: Russian horse breeding and horse breeding at the end of the XNUMXth century | Horses. Step into history © fourhoofs.ru
          "... In 1904, there were 21 million horses in Russia (around 75 million worldwide): 60% of the peasant farms in Russia had 3 or more horses ..."
          P.S. The presence of a horse in a peasant farm in the Russian Empire did not automatically make the horse owner a wealthy and prosperous peasant.
      2. Edik
        Edik 29 October 2019 15: 43
        -7
        Quote: kjhg
        For those who are not bad stuck to the feeder -, yes, of course not bad. But for those 50% who cannot afford to buy a second pair of shoes a year (according to the Federal State Statistics Service) - bad.

        Maybe this nonsense is enough to repeat, I live in the region with the lowest salaries in the country, we don’t have that! Do you yourself believe that you are broadcasting here?
        Quote: kjhg
        Maybe enough for us Putin? Does it happen that suddenly oil will no longer take off from $ 25 to $ 150? Then the affairs of the new, young Putin will be like the old, the present.

        You don’t have enough yet! And I see real changes in the country and I don’t feel like putting everything in the wind, how not to be very economic stop
        1. bar
          bar 29 October 2019 15: 58
          -16
          You still don’t have enough! And I see real changes in the country

          Useless. All prokopalschik not argue. And judging by the cons, there are most of them on this site.
          1. Edik
            Edik 29 October 2019 16: 03
            -16
            Quote: bar
            Useless. All prokopalschik not argue. And judging by the cons, there are most of them on this site.

            No, it’s not useless, they used to be put in a stall immediately, but the editorial board of the VO decided that the opinion on the resource should be multi-vector! Many left it. And now Yarlana’s cry! But this is not a problem for expressing my point of view! hi
            1. bar
              bar 29 October 2019 16: 10
              -14
              And now, judging by our and their ratings, the situation has reversed laughing
              1. bar
                bar 29 October 2019 17: 41
                -1
                By the way, does the VO edition allow you to delete a user? Tell me who knows. I want to leave. Tired of this depressiac and the sarper whining of still old men
                1. Edik
                  Edik 29 October 2019 17: 54
                  +4
                  Quote: bar
                  By the way, does the VO edition allow you to delete a user? Tell me who knows. I want to leave. Tired of this depressiac and the sarper whining of still old men

                  There is one way !! Criticize the side, well, the authors yes
                2. Fan-fan
                  Fan-fan 30 October 2019 16: 52
                  +8
                  And judging by the cons, there are most of them on this site.

                  Guys, you are confused, these people began to see clearly and thank God. I, too, three years ago “drowned” for Putin diligently, but now it has come, it has come late, like a giraffe, but better late than never.
            2. sniperino
              sniperino 29 October 2019 17: 50
              -4
              Quote: Edik
              And now here cry Yarlosany!
              Not the most suitable comparison. There was love and anxiety for the beloved, but here there is too much hatred; about the people, in the best case, it is the groaning of exclamations without a dead person.
        2. balunn
          balunn 29 October 2019 16: 04
          +11
          All the vileness of the modern situation is that a shakofekhozyaystvennik is a friend of the brother-in-law of the one who is at the helm.
          1. Edik
            Edik 29 October 2019 16: 08
            -5
            Quote: balunn
            All the vileness of the modern situation is that a shakofekhozyaystvennik is a friend of the brother-in-law of the one who is at the helm.

            I do not agree with you, we have a strong shortage of highly qualified managers and this is a big problem for the country!
            1. Andrey VOV
              Andrey VOV 29 October 2019 16: 20
              +18
              We have executives like a booty, we have no turner, milling machine operator, welder of the 5-6th grade in the afternoon with fire
              1. Edik
                Edik 29 October 2019 16: 23
                -3
                Quote: Andrey VOV
                We have executives like a booty,

                These are yes, but there are few highly qualified request
                1. Andrey VOV
                  Andrey VOV 29 October 2019 16: 24
                  +9
                  Yes, what will they manage that will be ??? solid offices .. or will he manage and show how to sow and how to harvest ??
                  1. sniperino
                    sniperino 29 October 2019 19: 54
                    +6
                    Quote: Andrey VOV
                    Yes, what they will control will be
                    And so it goes: there are a lot of bosses, but not enough managers.
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            2. balunn
              balunn 29 October 2019 16: 32
              +5
              Having no connection with whatever education you find, finding a job is very problematic. Examples are before my eyes
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 29 October 2019 16: 48
                -11
                Quote: balunn
                ... whatever you was not education ...

                With such an education, perhaps, connections will not always help. laughing
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 29 October 2019 19: 26
                  +11
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  With such an education, perhaps, connections will not always help.

                  Again, in the absence of a clear answer to the personality, we move on, Kitty?
                  About the connections - they help Kitty, and very, and without reference to education. Major General Kitaeva as an example. And I think that the connection is somewhat ..... sexual. I see no other way to become general at 26.
                  1. kjhg
                    kjhg 29 October 2019 20: 13
                    -2
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    I see no other way to become general at 26.

                    For a journalist, the main thing is language. Their job is to work in language. Well, God himself ordered the journalist to the woman.
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    go to the person, Kitty?

                    By the way, for a long time the cat did not go through this account. Maybe he hoped that he had already been forgotten? At least yesterday, I noticed him for the first time this year.
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 29 October 2019 20: 28
                      -3
                      Quote: kjhg
                      Their job is to work in language.

                      Looks like it works well! lol
                      Quote: kjhg
                      By the way, for a long time the cat did not go through this account.

                      He was banned yesterday and in this guise. But today, for some reason, they rehabilitated. request Looks like there is a blat, or a shaggy hand in the office of an older brother. bully
                      1. kjhg
                        kjhg 29 October 2019 20: 42
                        +3
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Looks like it works well!

                        Ato, epaulets speak for themselves fellow . Well, Kuzhugetych is certainly not right. Maria, even if she is a good woman and a talented journalist, but to give a general rank for this means to omit those generals who received it deservedly. Moreover, Shoigu still has more than one.
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        He was banned yesterday and in this guise. But today, for some reason, they rehabilitated.

                        Interesting things are happening, however.
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Looks like there is a blat, or a shaggy hand in the office of an older brother.

                        There is no other way to explain. I was always surprised that his rating did not fall, despite the fact that almost all of his comments were severely negative. Maybe it’s really connected with the Prigogine factory request
                  2. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 29 October 2019 21: 16
                    -11
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Major General Kitaeva

                    There is no such thing in nature. Again you write nonsense ... not tired yet?

                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    I think the connection is somewhat ..... sexual

                    I have already pointed out this unhealthy trend in the course of your thoughts.

                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    I see no other way to become general at 26

                    And what - try it. Suddenly a ride? wink laughing
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 29 October 2019 21: 33
                      -3
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      I have already pointed out this unhealthy trend in the course of your thoughts.
                      These are healthy thoughts. You have unhealthy -
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      And what - try it. Suddenly a ride?
                  3. carstorm 11
                    carstorm 11 29 October 2019 22: 11
                    -4
                    she is not a general, but a civil servant. writing nasty things about women is generally low.
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 30 October 2019 07: 22
                      +1
                      Quote: carstorm 11
                      and a civil servant

                      I heard this excuse. If civil, why shoulder straps? Civil Ivanov, and even more so Serdyukov did not try on epaulettes. wink
                      Quote: carstorm 11
                      writing nasty things about women is generally low.

                      Since when did the truth become disgusting? belay
                      1. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 30 October 2019 10: 05
                        +2
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        If civil, why shoulder straps?

                        The military epaulettes look different.
                        https://newsland.com/user/4298131488/content/ministr-oborony-shoigu-prisvoil-zvanie-general-leitenanta-zhenshchine-v-28-let/6662832
                      2. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 30 October 2019 16: 10
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        The military epaulettes look different.

                        Which ones? wink There are many military men in the defense ministry, and everyone has different uniforms.
                      3. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 30 October 2019 17: 38
                        +2
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Which ones?

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        https://newsland.com/user/4298131488/content/ministr-oborony-shoigu-prisvoil-zvanie-general-leitenanta-zhenshchine-v-28-let/6662832

                        Have you tried to read the article?
                      4. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 30 October 2019 18: 25
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Have you tried to read the article?

                        I tried and made sure that I already saw these excuses. In the Ministry of Defense, uniform with epaulets means only one thing. The epaulettes of advisers in the Ministry of Defense are a priori; they are in the Ministry of Justice. hi
                        P.S. I am personally impressed by Shoigu, he at least sinks for women! laughing
                      5. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 31 October 2019 06: 14
                        +1
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Epaulettes of advisers in the Ministry of Defense a priori, they are in the Ministry of Justice

                        Something did not understand.
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        In the Ministry of Defense, uniform with epaulets means only one thing.

                        What?
                      6. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 31 October 2019 06: 45
                        +1
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Something did not understand.

                        The word no missed. feel
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        What?

                        Military rank. Give me a link with regulatory documents regulating the uniform with epaulettes of civilians in the Moscow Region, and we will assume that you are right.
                      7. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 31 October 2019 08: 27
                        +1
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Give me a link

                        Here is http://base.garant.ru/71556208/
                        http://base.garant.ru/71556208/53f89421bbdaf741eb2d1ecc4ddb4c33/#block_1000
                      8. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 31 October 2019 18: 00
                        +1
                        Well, I have to admit that you are right. request In terms of civil rank. Nevertheless, the reason for its rapid growth is highly doubtful. After all, in order to reach the rank of a similar major general, you need to have outstanding talent. The video that, being the presenter at the VGTRK, she often confused the words, is on YouTube. Accordingly, with this talent span. But in 2011, she crossed paths with Shoigu (at 23), and since then he has been carrying her everywhere with him.
                        Tell me honestly, do you personally believe that her talent is not related to bed? After all, initially the conversation was about the impact of ties on career development without reference to education.
                      9. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 31 October 2019 19: 46
                        +2
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Nevertheless, the reason for its rapid growth is highly doubtful.

                        I can’t say anything about this, I just don’t know. Maybe she really is a specialist, maybe not.
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        After all, initially the conversation was about the impact of ties on career development without reference to education.

                        Examples of this can always be found, such is life. Personally, I only objected to the fact that with the light hand of some journalist or blogger this duck appeared about the general.
                      10. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 31 October 2019 20: 05
                        +2
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        this duck appeared about the general.

                        The duck appeared because of herself, flaunting her uniform unnecessarily. About Ivanov and Serdyukov, I already wrote.
                        And about "I can't say, I don't know" - I don't know the same, but from life experience I can say that a 23-year-old girl a priori cannot achieve such a position with her mind. hi
                      11. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 31 October 2019 20: 12
                        +1
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        The duck appeared because of herself, flaunting her uniform unnecessarily.

                        Well, it's you in vain - if there is a form, then it has every right to wear it, but those who write articles should check what they write.
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        but from experience I can say
                        In technology or in military service, of course, but journalism and a spokesperson ... Figs knows him? Perhaps the spokesman of the Moscow Region is, in principle, supposed to be an adviser to grade 3?
                      12. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 31 October 2019 21: 18
                        +1
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        and journalism and a spokesperson ... FIG knows him?

                        Look at this journalist from 2.40 minutes.
                      13. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 1 November 2019 05: 52
                        0
                        Yes, I already heard.
                      14. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 31 October 2019 21: 13
                        -2
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Well, I have to admit that you are right. In terms of civil rank

                        Ooh, her ... really ?!

                        Quote: Anecdote
                        On the third day, the Vigilant Falcon saw that there was no fourth wall in the barn ...

                        Ingvar, you are clearly making progress good
                      15. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 30 October 2019 12: 44
                        0
                        for example, prosecutors have epaulettes and they are also employees. learn the history of your country. watch a movie. state adviser for example .. imagine these posts since the days of Peter go and work. shoulder straps are .. and only to people like you do not understand. about the truth, a man, he is a man in Africa. that would not happen to talk about a woman disgusting disgusting and offensive.
                      16. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 30 October 2019 16: 13
                        +4
                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        for example, prosecutors have epaulettes and they are also employees

                        She has Department of Defense written on her chest. So I don’t need to tell tales about state councilors.
                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        that would not happen to talk about a woman disgusting disgusting and offensive.

                        Those. if a woman earns prostitution, can not she be called a prostitute? belay
                      17. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 30 October 2019 16: 34
                        -2
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        She has "Ministry of Defense" written on her chest

                        The Ministry of Defense is full of civilian personnel.

                      18. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 30 October 2019 17: 12
                        +1
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        The Ministry of Defense is full of civilian personnel.

                        For those in the tank - Ivanov, Serdyukov, being civilian defense ministers, did not wear uniforms. Here is the "civilian" in uniform. Kitty, you see a completely hard drive crumbled! wink
                      19. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 30 October 2019 17: 33
                        -4
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Again, in the absence of a clear answer to the personality, we move on, Kitty?

                        wink
                      20. Fan-fan
                        Fan-fan 30 October 2019 17: 03
                        +2
                        But I found this information: Kitaeva - a model and a former TV show. She is an adviser to Shoigu with the rank of lieutenant general (she received the major general at 28).
                        During the period of maternity leave of General Kitaeva, the duties of the press secretary of the Russian Minister of Defense will be performed by R. Markovskaya.
                        The Internet is full of their pictures - test goats.
                      21. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 30 October 2019 18: 27
                        +3
                        Quote: Fan-Fan
                        former TV show

                        She, and being a TV presenter, confused the words! laughing There are videos on YouTube.
                  4. sniperino
                    sniperino 30 October 2019 11: 36
                    -1
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    I see no other way to become general at 26.
                    No one sees, for the general is the general’s wife. As, for example, a professor is the professor’s wife. But there are government posts, they correspond to military ranks in case of war, they are occupied by people of both sexes and with different professional education in various ways.
              2. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. 29 October 2019 19: 22
                -4
                Connections are as much your capital as education and qualifications. And baited. Believe me: communication is not as difficult as it seems at first glance.
                1. sniperino
                  sniperino 30 October 2019 11: 53
                  0
                  Quote: AS Ivanov.
                  Connections are as much your capital as education and qualifications.
                  Connections, as a social means used to obtain additional benefits (capital), in the USSR of the 70s were already quoted higher than material, intellectual and financial means.
            3. qQQQ
              qQQQ 29 October 2019 17: 02
              +9
              Quote: Edik
              I do not agree with you, we have a strong shortage of highly qualified managers and this is a big problem for the country!

              But who will miss them to the feeder when so many relatives are in poverty.
            4. Vadim237
              Vadim237 29 October 2019 17: 59
              -8
              Leaders of Russia - aimed at leveling the situation with a shortage of highly qualified managers.
              1. Edik
                Edik 29 October 2019 18: 02
                -2
                Quote: Vadim237
                Leaders of Russia - aimed at leveling the situation with a shortage of highly qualified managers.

                Thank you, I’m familiar with the situation! Imagine what a problem it is if it comes to such level hi
          2. Andrey VOV
            Andrey VOV 29 October 2019 16: 20
            +7
            It was in Soviet times that such a concept as "nepotism" developed and was rapidly continued, and by and large it is practically everywhere, with a few exceptions
        3. sunzhenets
          sunzhenets 29 October 2019 19: 12
          +14
          Quote: Edik
          Maybe this nonsense is enough to repeat, I live in the region with the lowest salaries in the country, we don’t have that! Do you yourself believe that you are broadcasting here?

          Quote: Edik
          You don’t have enough yet! And I see real changes in the country and I don’t feel like putting everything in the wind, how not to be very economic

          Maybe this nonsense is enough to repeat(comma) I live in the region with the lowest salaries in the country, we don’t have one! You yourself believe in that(comma)what do you (in the context of the appeal to the opponent kjhg is written with a capital (capital) letter) are you broadcasting?
          You still don’t have enough! And I see real changes in the country(comma) and I’m not like camille (coMilpho) let it go(a comma is not needed, but you still know that they exist) like me(neither) be very economic (after the last comma, the semantic content is lost).
          I have long noticed - the more illiterate a person is, the more he is for Fairytale.
          Holguin employers! Check literacy candidates for work. 3 sentences and 8 errors are too much. Such individuals, allegedly convincing the masses of the correctness of the policies of the president and the party, actually discredit the subject of agitation.
          1. Edik
            Edik 29 October 2019 19: 26
            -7
            Thank you, we worked on the errors! I ask you to continue to teach me spelling, otherwise I devote little time to this! Is that all you wanted to say about my comment? Thank you.
            Quote: Sunflower
            Holguin employers!

            But you have, as I see it, a completely neglected case!
            1. sunzhenets
              sunzhenets 29 October 2019 19: 41
              +5
              Correction of errors did not help - in this case, "You" should be written with a capital (capital) letter.
              Do not give thanks. Better hire a tutor.
              PS. There is a word "sarcasm".
              1. sniperino
                sniperino 29 October 2019 20: 26
                +2
                Quote: Sunflower
                in this case "you" must be written with a capital (capital) letter.
                Not this way. The only mistake is spelling "you", "your" with a capital letter when referring to several persons. And when addressing one person, "you" is recommended (= not required) to write as a form of polite address 1) in personal letters, 2) in official documents addressed to one person, and 3) in the text addressed to a non-specific person. The comment on the forum and the answer to it do not fit any of the three recommended cases. But, if you want to give someone respect here, write with a capital letter, there will be no mistake either.
              2. polar fox
                polar fox 29 October 2019 21: 04
                -1
                Quote: Sunflower
                Correction of errors did not help - in this case, "You" should be written with a capital (capital) letter.
                Do not give thanks. Better hire a tutor.
                PS. There is a word "sarcasm".

                Kostya, I applaud while standing !!! hi
        4. Revival
          Revival 29 October 2019 19: 14
          +4
          Uh-huh.
          I don’t know where you live.
          But, for example, in the Astrakhan region quite often, the breakdown of, for example, winter boots, for many, is not "two toes on the asphalt", while thinking of buying others. People have to think about how to carve out.
          This is apparently normal, in your opinion?
          PS
          This is despite the fact that what is mainly sold there under the guise of shoes can hardly be called shoes initially
      3. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 29 October 2019 22: 19
        -7
        Quote: kjhg
        But for those 50% who cannot afford to buy a second pair of shoes a year (according to the Federal State Statistics Service) - bad.

        Are you talking about homeless people and alcoholics? Well, here I have no friends with one pair of shoes! No ... Everyone works, they live decently, they have a different income level, they have enough shoes.! Two cars in a family .. They go on vacation to our south, Crimea, and to Greece, Thailand ..! No beggars!
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 30 October 2019 17: 23
          -2
          This means one pair of winter shoes, one spring-autumn and one pair of summer shoes. So, people cannot buy the second pair, for example, of winter shoes.
          Found data for 2016:
          According to the Russian holding company Romir, over the past two years the number of the poorest members of society has doubled. Already 84 percent of citizens save on food today. In 2015, there were only 8% of them. Forty-five percent had to limit their intake of chocolate, fruit juices, fresh fruits and vegetables. Sixty-two percent of Russians stopped buying new clothes. Forty-six percent have never been to a restaurant. In 2015, 33% of the population - which is 5% more than in 2014 - could not afford a vacation.
          Now is 2019 and everything is probably even worse, since in addition pensions were also taken away.
          1. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 30 October 2019 19: 34
            -1
            Quote: Fan-Fan
            Now is 2019 and everything is probably even worse, since in addition pensions were also taken away.

            Who took away their pensions? Can they increase the retirement age? If you write, then clearly express your thoughts! Do not distort! Pensions taken away! Limited chocolate intake ...! Well done! How's Trump faykomet! It’s even funny ...
    3. Svarog
      Svarog 29 October 2019 15: 27
      +20
      Quote: bar
      Maybe it's not so bad? Maybe you need to give the people a bit of a break from change?

      Does Russia Another Brezhnev Stagnation?

      The problem is that degradation is going on, and not stagnation .. If there were now the same situation as in 2013 .. I think there would be much less disturbance. And so everything is degrading and every year faster.
      For this reason, change is needed as quickly as possible. We need to return to a planned economy and social obligations to the citizens of our country. And it is clear that without a change of today's leaders this is not possible. Power must be socialists ..
      1. bar
        bar 29 October 2019 15: 33
        -16
        Need to go back to a planned economy

        Right now? Can you catch my breath a little?
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 29 October 2019 15: 36
          +9
          Quote: bar
          Need to go back to a planned economy

          Right now? Can you catch my breath a little?

          All the largest corporations in the world work as planned, for all five-year periods .. The state should understand how it will develop and due to what ... Or do you suggest to sit on oil?
          1. bar
            bar 29 October 2019 15: 44
            -11
            Do you propose giving up oil and everything that nature has endowed the country with? Another thing is where and what this income goes to, besides maintaining the pants of the electorate. Here I agree, it’s time to print the Kudrino-Siluanovskoy little egg and start at least a little industrialization.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 29 October 2019 15: 59
              +8
              Quote: bar
              Do you propose giving up oil and everything that nature has endowed the country with?

              No, it's silly to refuse it. But hoping only for her is the same stupid.
            2. balunn
              balunn 29 October 2019 16: 10
              +19
              In this case, nature did not bestow a country, but individuals in that country. And these are two different things. As an example, see how much they ask for the connection of the public domain. In our region, about 300 thousand (30 meters to lay pipes).
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 29 October 2019 16: 27
                +6
                Quote: balunn
                In our region, about 300 thousand (30 meters to lay pipes).

                We have 150 in the region. But until mother’s ohm, gas has been dragging ae since 2010. At first they promised to pull up to the border of the site until 2015, now they do not even promise. And it seems that the mother does not live out of the way.
              2. The popuas
                The popuas 29 October 2019 17: 51
                +9
                Stretch a pipe through the wall, 80cm ... 150 tyrov .... ahaha ,, folk ,, ... their logic, you need it, not us! To pay them money you have to pay for it fool
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 29 October 2019 19: 01
                  +4
                  Quote: Popuas
                  Pull the pipe through the wall, 80cm ... 150 tyrov .... ahaha,

                  No Maxim, not through the wall. 20 meters pipe 3 \ 4, plus five pieces of the same diameter. The price listed is about 3000 rubles. The hard workers for welding are three thousand, but the rest ...... the rest are nishtyaki.
            3. Vadim237
              Vadim237 29 October 2019 18: 01
              -11
              We do not need industrialization, Russia needs post-industrialization and, accordingly, new sales markets, since we have a market economy.
              1. sunzhenets
                sunzhenets 29 October 2019 19: 22
                +7
                Quote: Vadim237
                We do not need industrialization, Russia needs post-industrialization and, accordingly, new sales markets, since we have a market economy.

                If the population of the Russian Federation has normal purchasing power, our business will not need new markets for another 20 years.
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 30 October 2019 00: 30
                  -6
                  Without new markets there will be no economic growth, without economic growth and the purchasing power of the people — everything is interconnected. You just can’t enter it either.
            4. Revival
              Revival 29 October 2019 19: 17
              +2
              No.
              We propose to use the income for the needs of the people, the country.
              Should not be in difficult times! no! No one has extra income, dividends, salaries, except for those who created their business from scratch !!!
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 30 October 2019 00: 32
                -4
                You offer all investors to throw - it will be a very wise decision for the "growth" of the economy.
                1. Revival
                  Revival 30 October 2019 02: 23
                  0
                  And, that is, it is necessary to attract investors only and not less than TOP profits?
                  Healthy investors, you can’t say anything ...
                  In the United States, investors also withdraw everything in the form of TOP profits, or are they somehow satisfied with less !?
          2. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 29 October 2019 16: 11
            -7
            Any entrepreneur plans to release their products based on the needs of the MARKET. A planned economy is not only production planning, but also distribution of products, and this is its fat minus.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 29 October 2019 16: 15
              +4
              Quote: AU Ivanov.
              Any entrepreneur plans to release their products based on the needs of the MARKET. A planned economy is not only production planning, but also distribution of products, and this is its fat minus.

              It depends on where the planned economy is set up, if for sale for export of raw materials. then yes, there’s nothing to plan here, but if the domestic market and the CIS market, then there’s a lot of work ..
              1. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. 29 October 2019 16: 34
                -7
                Just the export of raw materials is a plan, often a long-term one. Based on the approximate stable energy needs of a country. From here, the power of the energy transportation system and the size of production are calculated. But how can you plan the need for a particular shoe, for example? Fashion is changeable. And how can consumer goods be distributed? There can be only one regulator - the ruble. Planned distribution destroys competition, and hence technical development.
                1. Revival
                  Revival 29 October 2019 19: 20
                  +9
                  And there is no need to regulate consumer goods, people will regulate it themselves.
                  But key industries, for example, oil, metal industry, etc., do not tolerate private appropriation in excess of income.
            2. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 29 October 2019 16: 29
              +9
              Quote: AS Ivanov.
              A planned economy is not only production planning, but also distribution of products, and this is its fat minus.

              Andrey, each type of economy has pros and cons. China successfully proves that it is possible to combine the types of economies and their advantages in one state.
              1. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. 29 October 2019 16: 51
                0
                That's right, you can combine. And it is necessary. Private initiative and powerful public sector. And the trouble of the USSR was that its leadership did not understand this. Time for reform was lost. But what prospects were there in the 60s - the time of the country's highest technological rise.
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 29 October 2019 19: 07
                  +2
                  Quote: AS Ivanov.
                  Private initiative and powerful public sector. And the trouble of the USSR was that its leadership did not understand this.

                  Yes, but only the current leadership is not striving for a powerful public sector. Medvedev again claims that the state has too much market share and the need to reduce it.
        2. nikolai.kolya
          nikolai.kolya 29 October 2019 21: 09
          0
          Thanks for the comment, I haven’t laughed for so long! good
      2. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 29 October 2019 15: 37
        -3
        A planned economy is one of the reasons for the collapse of the Power. In a good way, the introduction of market elements was necessary back in the mid-60s. Brezhnev is profiled. And it was under Brezhnev that crime merged with the authorities.
      3. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 29 October 2019 16: 02
        -11
        and what good have your socialists done? why, for example, do I need to take them seriously? regular balabol but with a social color?
      4. Andrey VOV
        Andrey VOV 29 October 2019 16: 06
        +3
        A return to a planned economy is a return to a different socio-political system, which has never been peaceful in Russia, and somehow I don’t remember where it was right away ... the question is not about changing, but restoring and re-applying that good and positive what the planned economy and that system gave
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 29 October 2019 16: 11
          +7
          Quote: Andrey VOV
          the issue is not a change, but the restoration and reapplication of the good and positive that the planned economy and that system gave

          But to restore the good, it will not work if the state does not take into its own hands natural resources, alcohol .. All the largest enterprises, including raw materials, should belong to the state and not only on paper .. Private business is only small and medium ..
          1. Andrey VOV
            Andrey VOV 29 October 2019 16: 16
            +3
            I agree that restoring a good one, a monopoly on the production of alcohol, oil refining, defense ... BUT ... will the state be effective here, or will it be so effective, and again, how to define the concept of a medium-sized business ... for example, large creameries, meat plants , agricultural producers, what to do with them? Again, how to carry out a change of ownership .. just because no one will give it it will not, agree
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 29 October 2019 16: 21
              +4
              Quote: Andrey VOV
              I agree that to restore a good, monopoly on the production of alcohol, oil refining, the defense industry ... BUT ... will the state be effective here, or will it be so effective

              Well, it’s certainly more effective than Sechin laughing But seriously, it will certainly be just as effective that under the USSR we did not efficiently produce oil and gas? And now all this efficiency settles in offshore and on the accounts of top managers ..

              Quote: Andrey VOV
              creameries, meat processing plants, agricultural producers, what to do with them? Again, how to carry out a change of ownership .. just because no one will give it will not agree

              This is a small and medium business, here you do not need to change the owners ..
              1. Andrey VOV
                Andrey VOV 29 October 2019 16: 29
                +4
                The question is not in the efficiency of production, although it is very important here, the question is in the efficiency of further transportation, processing, marketing, and so on ... but about the creamery you are in vain ... there are billions in turnover, serious large-scale production)))) and how as a rule, they are all built or modernized from scratch and one hundred percent and the indicator of effective use of public money by a private trader is not everything, yes, and there were a lot of tricks ... but nevertheless .. Sechin .. it’s better to keep silent about this comrade ... honestly I’m not an economist, I’ve been in agriculture for almost 17 years now .... and the 90’s ..... I don’t want ... I drank them like that in my nostrils and nostrils ... God forbid
        2. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 29 October 2019 16: 14
          -11
          The planned economy has given us technological lag and total deficit. Shaft instead of competitive products.
    4. Sergey39
      Sergey39 29 October 2019 15: 30
      +1
      Maybe not bad, but we need to show people where we are going, though slowly.
      1. depressant
        depressant 29 October 2019 16: 22
        +9
        Sergey39, there were such intentions. A few years ago, Medvedev spoke about the need to introduce the institution of state planning for 3 years. Not fused. Apparently, because it is possible to plan in a state with predictably sustainable development, even with a small but constant annual GDP growth, rather than drawn by Rosstat.
        But another thing. There is no industrial base on which planning can be relied on due to the lack of a sufficient number of large, stable working purely Russian companies. Whatever - with foreign participation. Not to impute the Russian development plans to foreign directors - they will send them far and for a long time, or they will even close the shop.
    5. Lexus
      Lexus 29 October 2019 16: 09
      +2
      Maybe it's not so bad? Maybe you need to give the people a bit of a break from change?

      Wait until everything is finally ruined, deflated, taken apart, and in the next world you will "rest". "Vlast" remembers you. And it will commemorate solemnly and on a grand scale.
    6. Vend
      Vend 29 October 2019 17: 25
      +4
      Modern Russia still has to work and work before stagnation.
    7. kuz363
      kuz363 30 October 2019 08: 40
      -6
      In principle, 70-80% of the population lives well. Well, the remaining poor can be ignored. They don’t do the weather.
      1. Varyag71
        Varyag71 30 October 2019 16: 02
        0
        good uncle ...
      2. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 30 October 2019 17: 36
        0
        In principle, 70-80% of the population lives well.
        Well, where does this data come from about 70-80%? I have other data for 2016:
        According to the Russian holding company Romir, over the past two years the number of the poorest members of society has doubled. Already 84 percent of citizens save on food today. In 2015, there were only 8% of them. Forty-five percent had to limit their intake of chocolate, fruit juices, fresh fruits and vegetables. Sixty-two percent of Russians stopped buying new clothes. Forty-six percent have never been to a restaurant. In 2015, 33% of the population - which is 5% more than in 2014 - could not afford a vacation.
    8. smart ass
      smart ass 5 November 2019 10: 02
      -1
      I am very annoyed when they give an example of the 90s, what do you want as in the 90s ???? Ahhhh ??? I always say in response, do you want how 1945 ????? ended the most destructive war in the history of Russian civilization, the country is in ruins and 1961 the country launches man into space, 16 years have passed from ruins to space !!!!!!! !! Do not tell me that there was little time! For 20 years, we could not even get off an oil needle ... what breakthrough are you talking about? Who should do it?
  2. Alexander Suvorov
    Alexander Suvorov 29 October 2019 15: 14
    +14
    Well, I can’t call progress the increase in the retirement age, the recognition that all previous pension accumulations have been stolen and wasted, and now we will be offered another “new” robbery, which we, naturally, will start from scratch.
    No, I don't know how everyone is, but I would return to the "Brezhnev stagnation" especially in the early 70s. By the end of his reign, it was getting a little sad, but this was no longer his own fault, but the fault of those who did not want to let him go on a really well-deserved rest.
    1. bar
      bar 29 October 2019 15: 26
      -1
      No, I don't know about everything, but I would return to the "Brezhnev stagnation" especially in the early 70s

      Duc and many would, of those who remember, would not refuse. And the girls were younger, and the eagles themselves were at least wherever, and the parents were alive ...
  3. Lexus
    Lexus 29 October 2019 15: 17
    +5
    Roman, we will still remember that Brezhnev "stagnation" as the best years of our lives. And someone already remembers.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 29 October 2019 15: 34
      +6
      Quote: lexus
      Roman, we will still remember that Brezhnev "stagnation" as the best years of our lives. And someone already remembers.

      Many people remember .. although in any stagnation there is nothing good. The country should not stagnate .. But the problem is that now degradation, not stagnation ..
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 29 October 2019 15: 40
        +2
        In general, what Yeltsin’s “family” was doing upstairs

        Now it sucks and degrades, because the "family" has not gone anywhere.
    2. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 29 October 2019 15: 44
      -2
      That is unlikely.
  4. Kronos
    Kronos 29 October 2019 15: 19
    +10
    Putin did not hold back anything, he simply continued the course laid down by Yeltsin as a loyal student - you can find the numbers how much under Putin disappeared and destroyed everything in the country
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 29 October 2019 15: 44
      -9
      And you can find how much is built. And compare with the Yeltsin.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 29 October 2019 15: 47
        +7
        Quote: Mestny
        And you can find how much is built. And compare with the Yeltsin.

        And let's compare with the era of Stalin what was done in 20 years then and what under Putin in 20 years .. Under the USSR, several cities were built a year, and under Putin, how many cities were built? But schools, hospitals and villages have gained a lot ..
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 29 October 2019 16: 05
          -3
          I hate comparing these. if you compare it with the times of Stalin, do not forget to indicate first that from zero to a certain moment it is one to take off and then a natural slowdown begins. and secondly do not forget at what cost.
        2. KCA
          KCA 29 October 2019 16: 11
          -6
          Personally, are you ready to drop the computer, sofa, TV, warm toilet and go beyond the Arctic Circle to build new cities? To live in a tent, or, if you are lucky, in a temporary shelter, go to shit outside, in the cold, with a stick or a gun so that no beast interferes with the process, in summer, pile piles up to the waist in water, and above the waist in the nest, enjoy cold tea and cold porridge, rejoice, because they brought at least something to eat, and at the same time receive a salary over which the present migrant workers simply laughed?
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 29 October 2019 16: 13
            +7
            Quote: KCA
            To live in a tent, or, if you are lucky, in a temporary shelter, go to shit outside, in the cold, with a stick or a gun so that no beast interferes with the process, in summer, pile piles up to the waist in water, and above the waist in the nest, enjoy cold tea and cold porridge, rejoice, because they brought at least something to eat, and at the same time receive a salary over which the present migrant workers simply laughed?

            Of course I’m ready, I would be younger .. I traveled all over Russia .. and where I just didn’t live .. Another question is that the state stimulated and supported earlier .. and now they have scored everything ..
        3. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 29 October 2019 16: 25
          -8
          Now the village does not need as much population as before. Other agricultural technologies, other labor productivity. In RI, the peasantry made up the lion's share of the population, but many of them were struggling to feed themselves. But there were innumerable villages. Under the USSR, villages were also decent, but many products were in short supply, and cereals were imported in huge quantities. Urbanization continues and what's the point of keeping schools in the absence of students and hospitals in the absence of patients? By the way, my school was closed back in 1978. The reason is the same - a small number of students - all fled to the cities.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 29 October 2019 16: 34
            +3
            [quote = AS Ivanov.] Now in the village does not need as much population as before.
            This is logical, in the paradigm that the liberal oligarchic and raw materials economy offers .. Now, in general, they don’t need such a large number of the population, and even an educated one .. which demography actually shows ..
            [quote = AS Ivanov.] In the Republic of Ingushetia, the peasantry constituted the lion's share of the population, but many of them could hardly feed themselves. [/ quote]
            That's right, the landowner selected everything and lost in the cards ...
            [quote = AS Ivanov.] Under the USSR, the villages were also decent, but many products were in the category of shortages, and cereals were imported in huge quantities [/ quote]
            You probably wanted to say exported?
            [quote = AS Ivanov.] Ranization continues and what is the point of keeping schools in the absence of students, and hospitals in the absence of patients? By the way, my school was closed back in 1978 [/ quote]
            Urbanization continues .. but this process is reversible .. And again, planned and in a different paradigm ... It would be a desire, but conditions can be created .. but the main thing is needed.
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 29 October 2019 16: 41
              -1
              Grain was imported during the USSR. From the USA and Canada. Wheat and corn.
              At the end of the 19th century, all peasants were personally free, although agricultural technology and the associated productivity were lower than the plinth - hence the disadvantages. By the way, there were no problems with demography at that time. Apparently, everyone lived richly. And now they are so impoverished that we do not want to breed. Especially in the countries of Scandinavia.
              1. Svarog
                Svarog 29 October 2019 16: 57
                +2
                Quote: AS Ivanov.
                And now they are so impoverished that we do not want to breed.

                You read that according to the Federal State Statistics Service, 50% of citizens work only for food .. what kind of breeding can we talk about? For people to multiply, we need confidence in the future .. now does anyone have it?
                1. AU Ivanov.
                  AU Ivanov. 29 October 2019 17: 09
                  -7
                  Do you believe Rosstat data? Does Rosstat take into account "gray" salaries, of which we have almost 40%? Or the income of the self-employed, of which there are also many. I don’t expose my income much, it is fraught with it. For Rosstat, I practically live on a pension. And hardly anyone will tell statisticians about the contents of the envelope, just like a freelancer about his income. And fertility has nothing to do with income: compare Western Europe and Africa, but it is associated with urbanization and emancipation.
                  1. sniperino
                    sniperino 30 October 2019 13: 01
                    -2
                    Quote: AS Ivanov.
                    And fertility has nothing to do with income: compare western Europe and Africa, and it is connected with urbanization and emancipation.
                    First of all, with secularization.
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 29 October 2019 18: 13
              -1
              In the structure of Russia's GDP, the fuel and energy complex occupies 34% of GDP, so the Russian economy is no longer raw, in the next ten years it will compete with the IT sector, which is developing at a furious pace.
          2. smart ass
            smart ass 5 November 2019 11: 23
            -1
            In general, peasants are not needed, what for they ?!
        4. Edik
          Edik 29 October 2019 16: 54
          -6
          Quote: Svarog
          And let's compare with the era of Stalin what was done in 20 years then and what under Putin in 20 years ..

          Come on! Just don’t be silent about the fact that industrialization in the USSR was made by the West! And how simple robots worked on it and lived! You now all worn out, I can imagine what it would be like to make people live like that now! And let's compare yes What was built under Putin, that under Stalin in the size of the RSFSR !!! Come on Svarog, only with agitation you won’t be able to brush it off !!! I’m waiting drinks
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 29 October 2019 17: 00
            +8
            Quote: Edik
            ! Just do not be silent about the fact that industrialization in the USSR was made by the West

            Right west came and industrialized .. laughing I don’t really know what you can talk about further lol
            Quote: Edik
            And how simple robots were working and eating at the same time!

            Shaw not eaten up?
            Quote: Edik
            What was built under Putin, that under Stalin in the size of the RSFSR !!!

            So tell me what was built under Putin, and under Stalin everyone already knows ... well, except of course for you .. wassat
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      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 29 October 2019 16: 01
        +2
        Quote: Mestny
        And you can find how much is built. And compare with the Yeltsin.

        You need to compare closed. wink
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 29 October 2019 16: 44
          -8
          You need to compare everything, and not selectively. Selectively - this is a manipulation of facts. And another question: which enterprises went bankrupt? Perhaps, all the same, unprofitable and uncompetitive, inherited from the USSR?
      3. Kronos
        Kronos 29 October 2019 16: 48
        +14
        Here is an example of Putin’s achievement. The number of single-industry towns in Russia may be reduced from 321 to 170. This was announced by Pavel Sklyanchuk, executive secretary of the expert council on sustainable development of single-industry towns at the State Duma Committee on Economic Policy. Http://www.online24news.ru/politika/4824-v-rossii- planiruyut-sokratit-kolichestvo-monogorodov-v-dva-raza.html
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 29 October 2019 20: 10
          -8
          Are they needed, these single-industry towns? Especially in the North. They have already fulfilled their function. And to keep afloat unprofitable production for the sake of preserving these settlements - this is not enough budget.
          1. Azis
            Azis 30 October 2019 08: 02
            +2
            They have already fulfilled their function.
            And the people in them too? It’s hard to sell real estate there for a pittance (if possible) and move somewhere without support, including state support. You can compare with the flight of the Russian-speaking and former republics of Central Asia and the Caucasus. To support these cities, the state spends annually an amount approximately equal to that of a colonel who was kept at home, and then the program was abruptly curtailed - survive as you can. As an option, some kind of Oskolkov would open, breathe, so to speak, new life ... on the basis of these cities ...
      4. New Year day
        New Year day 29 October 2019 19: 07
        +4
        Quote: Mestny
        And you can find how much is built. And compare with the Yeltsin

        false statistics will be: Yeltsin has been in power for 8 years. and Putin 19
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 October 2019 18: 08
      -9
      And how many times were destroyed under Putin, let’s say.
      1. Kronos
        Kronos 29 October 2019 18: 21
        +9
        Of the latest examples, 700 companies have closed in Russia.
        1. Edik
          Edik 29 October 2019 18: 40
          -7
          Quote: Kronos
          Of the latest examples, 700 companies have closed in Russia.

          The last company I worked for closed three times, changed its name and worked again! What are your examples talking about? stop
          1. Kronos
            Kronos 29 October 2019 19: 05
            +17
            # 5 | 3 hours 8 minutes ago | To: Everyone
            The scale of the apocalypse is actually monstrous. I can’t speak for Samara, but I’ll say for Saratov.
            Prommash factory destroyed. There is now a Provincial market selling abibos for gopot.
            Aircraft factory destroyed. us aviation, when everything is perfectly import substitutes for us Sukhoi Superjet?
            Radio factory destroyed.
            Tantalum has just finally finished off.
            SEPO finished off. Despite the fact that the immortal refrigerators of Saratov still enjoy fame. And all that was needed was to modernize them in order to compete with China, Korea and Belarus. But no, why?
            Sickle and Hammer destroyed. And when his last director tried to save the enterprise, they filed a case against him and sent him to a jail, where he immediately hung himself (it is believed that with someone’s help).
            Ordzhonikidze Electrical Plant is slowly being finished. There was only one working building. The rest are given to business centers and rakalovki.
            Sardizelapparat gradually dies, decomposing into several small, semi-artisan enterprises.
            The battery factory barely kicked out of bankruptcy, but the story is not over yet.
            The shipyard has been destroyed. Why is it needed if Saratov no longer has a fleet? The last ship was rented out as a hotel fifteen years ago, after which it was sold. The huge river station, bought by an enterprising Tatar family, is now called the "Khmelnaya No. 1" pier, which very well characterizes our city, which has drunk everything that was valuable in it.

            The only plant that holds is the Corps. And then at the expense of the defense industry. According to rumors, the situation at the plant itself is also far from healthy.
            Oh, yes, and of course the Zhirkombinat (Zhirok in the common people), famous for its prohibitively disgusting attitude towards employees, and overwhelming staff turnover. It works thanks to our benefactor - Mr. Volodin, or rather his old mother, who owns the company "Solar Products" (more correctly called "Palm Products)". The plant, once famous for the best mayonnaise, now processes palm oil on such a scale that the fifth or sixth cancer center is being built in Saratov. So it's not all that bad with the industry in Saratov!
            1. Edik
              Edik 29 October 2019 19: 14
              -7
              Do you know who is to blame for this? The market, but we lost time in the devastation of the 90s, many industries became redundant in the size of Russia or their products became uncompetitively capable.
              1. Kronos
                Kronos 29 October 2019 19: 15
                +10
                The current bourgeois system is not to blame for this
                1. AU Ivanov.
                  AU Ivanov. 29 October 2019 20: 15
                  -8
                  It is precisely the socialist system that is to blame. Who built enterprises that were not viable in the global economy. Which, in turn, went bankrupt as soon as the Iron Curtain was opened. And, indeed, who needs a TV "Rainbow", for example, when there are TVs from Sony, superior to ours in all respects.
                  1. Kronos
                    Kronos 29 October 2019 20: 32
                    +7
                    It was quite normal goods and enterprises were destroyed by banal cutting, by the way, for example, for example, capitalists close enterprises in their own countries in Europe and the USA, but the market adherents do not care
                    1. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 30 October 2019 00: 40
                      -4
                      For the 80s, they were normal for the domestic market - because there was no other for video recorders chasing which cost from 1000 to 3000 rubles apiece.
          2. Varyag71
            Varyag71 30 October 2019 16: 05
            +1
            This suggests that you worked in a Sharazhka office, evading debt.
        2. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 29 October 2019 18: 46
          -4
          And how much did it open? Four years ago, I closed my firm. And he opened a new one.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 29 October 2019 19: 08
            +5
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            Four years ago, I closed my firm. And he opened a new one.

            tax evaded? laughing
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 29 October 2019 19: 09
              -1
              No, the business was unprofitable. And without prospects, therefore, radically changed his occupation.
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 29 October 2019 19: 13
                0
                Quote: AS Ivanov.
                No, the business was unprofitable. And without prospects, therefore, radically changed his occupation.

                commendable when everything can be reversed
  5. Radikal
    Radikal 29 October 2019 15: 22
    +6
    Quote: lexus
    Roman, we will still remember that Brezhnev "stagnation" as the best years of our lives. And someone already remembers.

    Uh, sure! hi
  6. Gardamir
    Gardamir 29 October 2019 15: 22
    +18
    Seems to me on the site two Roman Skomorokhov, so differently directed articles.
    Under Brezhnev there was no stagnation, but stability.
    Former KGB officer and former party member, he immediately stepped into power. The second person in the city of former Leningrad, this is not a mosquito sneezed. Find the video of Putin’s first election, look at all his friends, by the way, there is Tolya Chubais. As there is a proverb, say who your friend is and I will say who you are.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 29 October 2019 15: 31
      +8
      Quote: Gardamir
      As there is a proverb, say who your friend is and I will say who you are.

      I was surprised by a little-known fact:
      In 1992-1996, Putin was among the "reformist political activists" trained in the program American National Democratic Institute for International Relations.
      In the summer of 1996, Sobchak resigned as mayor, losing the election, after which Putin’s work in the mayor's office of St. Petersburg was over.
      Subsequently, many of those who worked with Putin at the City Hall of St. Petersburg (I. I. Sechin, D. A. Medvedev, V. A. Zubkov, A. L. Kudrin, A. B. Miller, G. O. Gref, D.N. Kozak, V.P. Ivanov, S.E. Naryshkin, V.L. Mutko, and others), in the 2000s they occupied senior posts in the Russian government, the presidential administration of Russia, and the leadership of state-owned companies.
      1. Andrey VOV
        Andrey VOV 29 October 2019 16: 09
        -3
        And give me a place or a man, a leader who does not bring his team with him, his own, friends, etc. .. under L.I. Brezhnev, wasn’t that so?
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 29 October 2019 16: 46
          +15
          Quote: Andrey VOV
          And give me a place or a man, a leader who does not bring his team, his own, friends, etc. ..

          A human leader can bring some loyal friends to a team to create something new that no one has created before. The team is selected according to their business qualities, and not according to the principle - "he will not give me away."
          And if a “human” persistently puts “his own people” in top positions, not taking into account their contributions to past activities, if the baggage of these “necessary people” is close to zero, if, during the activities of the whole team, economic growth is indicated by error numbers, the withdrawn capital comparable to the external public debt, the population has confidently reduced the birth rate and growth, healthcare is based on foreign treatment of "people" and local, free for the electorate ... Such a team is not doomed to drag the country in the tail of civilization.
          1. Andrey VOV
            Andrey VOV 29 October 2019 16: 49
            +1
            And in most cases, isn’t it? In other countries? Plus minus but so
            1. Kronos
              Kronos 29 October 2019 17: 33
              +2
              Of course, everyone will have some personal appointments, but when they are the basis of the personnel policy of Russia and Ukraine, it’s the trouble of countries
            2. depressant
              depressant 29 October 2019 18: 07
              +9
              No need, Andrei VOV, about other countries, we live in Russia. Adopted in 93, the Constitution of the Russian Federation was forced to take into account the enormity of the hungry group of the population (in fact, all of it, with the exception of a small group successfully jumped into the luxury car). As a result of this, the Constitution had and still has a pronounced social orientation - it was necessary to reassure, but in essence deceive the people.
              But was anyone going to follow the Constitution?
              Here the older generation is reproached - they say, you scoops, everything about Brezhnev’s stability crying. Do not cry. When Constitution-93 was adopted, we, then adults and sane, read it and saw that it suits us. We agreed with her, because we believed that the authorities would fulfill it. And in recent years, the Constitution has been violated. From the social state, which is mentioned in it, almost nothing has remained - only its liberal part is alive, and even then not for everyone. But the authorities lack the courage to say: people, we have deceived you. Here before my post it has already been listed how and where the Constitution is violated, how and where they deceived us - I will not repeat it. It’s just that the colleagues did not correlate all the reported violations with the Basic Law. Numerous violations of the Constitution - this is what we are talking about!
              So, it’s not stagnation with us, and especially not stability, but the era of crimes of power against the Basic Law of the country and its people.
    2. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 29 October 2019 19: 37
      -10
      Suppose, in the early 20s, Stalin and Trotsky were also in the same boat. This does not mean anything.
      1. Revival
        Revival 30 October 2019 13: 00
        +1
        Well then continue the thought.
        What did Stalin do with Trotsky?
        Now also, continuing your thought? No.
        That’s the perfect difference.
        So your comparison is completely unsuccessful
  7. 1976AG
    1976AG 29 October 2019 15: 31
    +19
    And what was the stagnation under Brezhnev? Industry developed, science too .. It just didn’t have to finance half the world - yes
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 29 October 2019 15: 46
      -18
      Household appliances, electronics, automobiles, chemistry, production of new materials, organization of production - development and implementation lagged behind by 20-30 years.
      And so yes, there was no stagnation.
      1. 1976AG
        1976AG 29 October 2019 15: 48
        +15
        The developments were very good, there was no lag in military affairs, Buran was generally decades ahead of the foreign countries, and there were sanctions even then. The lag only on the citizen was, but not critical, and could be eliminated.
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 29 October 2019 16: 56
          -19
          The lag was substantial. And in the defense industry too. I’m silent about the civil sector. Consumer goods, electronics, automobiles and the aircraft industry in the 80s were completely uncompetitive.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 29 October 2019 19: 09
            +6
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            The lag was substantial. And in the defense industry too

            yeah! What is completely new, not from the backlogs of the USSR, that modern engineers of the military-industrial complex gave to the mountain?
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 30 October 2019 00: 47
              -4
              Thermal imagers, new materials - bulletproof aramid fabrics, new electronics, new communication and control systems, new radars, optical fiber, additive manufacturing technologies, new UAV computers and much more.
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 30 October 2019 01: 34
                +5
                Quote: Vadim237
                Thermal imagers, new materials - bulletproof aramid fabrics, new electronics, new communication and control systems, new radars, optical fiber, and

                Those. Do you want to say this was not with the Union?
      2. Svarog
        Svarog 29 October 2019 16: 01
        +11
        Quote: Mestny
        Household appliances, electronics, automobiles, chemistry, production of new materials, organization of production - development and implementation lagged behind by 20-30 years.
        And so yes, there was no stagnation.

        Firstly, in the USSR it was all their own .. Secondly, to this day it works for some, and thirdly .. so electronics, household chemicals, cars - this is not done at our place now, but what is done at our place, then The main beneficiary are Western corporations ..
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 29 October 2019 18: 18
          -6
          Yes, it was all its own that it imported 68 billion dollars almost every year: equipment, machinery, materials, etc., and they themselves exported 74 billion dollars.
          1. UserGun
            UserGun 29 October 2019 20: 27
            +1
            Quote: Vadim237
            and they themselves exported $ 74 billion.


            Oil, gas and other minerals. The same thing is about now.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 30 October 2019 00: 53
              -3
              Yes, hell is bald there - the USSR pushed oil and gas, since this was its only big source of currency, of the 150 countries with which the USSR traded, only 42 paid in foreign currency - all the rest paid barter and loyalty - now Russia exports twice as much imports, for comparison, in the US, exports are 1,5 times less than imports.
      3. balunn
        balunn 29 October 2019 16: 15
        +4
        so now the same thing .... lag on the same points. If we compare science in the USA, China and Russia (the number of scientific articles), then in Russia it is less.
      4. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 29 October 2019 16: 55
        +12
        Quote: Mestny
        Household appliances, electronics, automobiles, chemistry, production of new materials, organization of production - development and implementation lagged behind by 20-30 years.

        crying
        But today, household appliances in the form of crafts in a foreign manner; electronics is absent; cars are produced, but people prefer foreign ones; chemistry - what is it; production of new materials - we know NANO, Chubais, yotafon and prokhorovsky electric car; organization of production - meager salaries of employees, bloated management staff, lack of production prospects (only until 2024 or after 2035), uncontrolled safety, lack of living conditions and work clothes ... etc.
        fellow
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 29 October 2019 18: 13
          -7
          That is, it is better to use trash, but your own? Do you propose building uncompetitive industries? As for working conditions: tell me on what Soviet truck was the air conditioner? (Hint: on foreign long-distance truck, the condo was set from the beginning of the 70s)
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 29 October 2019 19: 42
            +4
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            Do you propose building uncompetitive industries?

            Why uncompetitive? If now Chubais with great success is throwing state money into failed projects. this does not mean that nothing good will come of out. Understand Andrei, if in managerial positions for a long time they have been kept alone by sluggishness and thieves, then someone needs this. Otherwise, they would not be swapped. And there will be no milk from the goat, you know.
            Nevertheless, the sales market in Russia is huge, and it is almost completely occupied by import. The situation can be corrected, there would be a desire.
      5. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 29 October 2019 17: 43
        +2
        Quote: Mestny
        years behind on 20-30.

        Not for 20-30 years.
    2. Kronos
      Kronos 29 October 2019 20: 36
      0
      At the end of his reign, the pace of the economy began to fall; a strong lag began in the latest branches of the computer type. However, these problems were not critical; everything could be fixed; instead, they ruined
  8. Mcar
    Mcar 29 October 2019 15: 32
    +17
    Russia needs a new and young president. Like Putin was in 2000.

    To destroy the next 20 thousand enterprises, the next tens of thousands of settlements, schools, hospitals, clinics over the next 80 years ... The main thing is not to stop there, or stagnation.

    In the 90s there was a period of seizure of national property, and then came the period of protection of the loot. These are like acute and calm phases of the same disease. But the disease remained. The same. Or is the Yeltsin Center not built on budget money?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 October 2019 18: 21
      -8
      In Russia, more than 600000 different enterprises, from small to large, will not be destroyed by anyone, since they are on the market, but the villages will continue to disappear, this tendency cannot be reversed.
  9. Alexander Suvorov
    Alexander Suvorov 29 October 2019 15: 32
    -1
    Not the "old new" type of Medvedev, Shoigu, Volodin, but simply new. Young and ambitious. Otherwise, we will be waiting for a repetition of the past in the 80 years of the last century.
    Roman, here I may disagree with you. Navalny is much like "young and ambitious", but God forbid we have such a president. The dashing 90s will seem like flowers to us. For a leap forward, Russia, as always, needs a STRONG leader like Ivan the Terrible, Peter I, Catherine II or Joseph Vissarionovich, but only few of the whiners will want to live at this time, because they will have to work for seven!
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 29 October 2019 16: 05
      -15
      A strong hand is the lot of a weak people. That is, we need an uncle who will decide everything for us? Although yes, until we learn to self-organize and solidarize, the "good wizard" will decide for us. The truth is not a fact that in our favor. And where can you find a strong leader for a joyful people?
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 29 October 2019 16: 48
        +5
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        A strong hand is the lot of a weak people. That is, we need an uncle who will decide everything for us? Although yes, until we learn to self-organize and solidarize, the "good wizard" will decide for us

        In a fairy tale about elves, it’s possible, but in reality it ends up with bandits taking the place of the state.
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 29 October 2019 17: 19
          -7
          In reality, in many countries, and non-poor, the government is controlled by civil society, and the employer by the unions. But when they are not, as we have, then yes - anyone can break through to power. And yes, we have a strong hand, we cannot do otherwise.
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 29 October 2019 18: 48
            +5
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            In reality, in many countries, and non-poor, the government is controlled by civil society

            In reality, governments are controlled by financial elites, and people participate in farce shows.
    2. maden.usmanow
      maden.usmanow 29 October 2019 18: 49
      -4
      In today's world, such leaders are not viable; their time has passed.
      How can you imagine Stalin in the era of the Internet. When everything is visible, and propaganda is weak.
      There will no longer be complete power in the hands; one will have to answer for new repressions and for the camps.
      And you can’t send people to explore the North in barracks.
      Such a hand will even be ashamed to shake.
    3. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 30 October 2019 18: 13
      -3
      And that we work a little? Until recently, I was even confused about how many places I work, I calculated five places. He plowed so that he came home and fell, from one job to another it happened that he had to run, so as not to be late. And that he earned a lot, for several years he saved up everything on the VAZ-2109. I don’t think that a typical German or American plows as I plowed. And what do you think I'm a whiner? But the son of Rogozin almost immediately got into the manager of the airline Il, or where did the sons and daughters of other officials get to?
      So we don’t need to scare us with work, but they don’t want to pay us decent labor, that’s the main problem.
  10. Edik
    Edik 29 October 2019 15: 34
    +3
    Putin has done a great job: he kept the country on the verge of complete collapse and collapse. This merit cannot be forgotten or underestimated. But on the other hand, having kept the country, he left it about there. Not far from the fatal line.

    Smiled laughing
    The author recalled how we waited for tranches and were in debt like silk, and now we give loans to other countries ourselves ... And we forgot about the drug addiction surge, it was hard not to notice how much we lost ..
    1. depressant
      depressant 30 October 2019 00: 41
      +3
      And I smiled. Only sad.
      From the window of my kitchen you can see two apartments in which anasha is grown. And recently, weed began to grow in another, but this apartment is visible from my room, which overlooks the west. And how many apartments are there in the village? Those that are not visible to me?
      Tell me how do I know? Yes, everyone in our village knows everything! The sign is by the way of lighting. Long gas-light lamps are mounted vertically on the walls, several each. And besides, you’ll hide from your neighbors! When the crop matures, a string of visitors per dose. Here is the sign and calculated.
      And those who inject, we do not see them. Sometimes syringes are lying around. This is if the cleaner, sweeping the yards in the morning, did not notice. A repeat drug addict lives in an apartment opposite. He is a problem for me. I'm scared of him. Previously, a plumber father gave his son money for doses - not without scandal, of course. Now the plumber is an old man, for many reasons he lost trash, there is no extra money, and his son needs a dose. And I do not have money for a steel door. These are the problems ...
      And you say forgot about addiction? Me not.
      Yes, I didn’t mention a bad ground floor apartment in the building opposite. Direct drug trafficking from Central Asia is going there. Thanks to him, all summer addicts in the playground continuously howled and laughed at night, even though the summer was cold.
      By the way, the owner of the apartment in the house at the end of my Khrushchev’s, a policeman, agreed with the mayor and grabbed half of the playground with several other tenants - rolled up with asphalt, fenced with striped columns, attached video surveillance systems near their windows - now their own car parking . Five cars are there. A man walked, asked to sign a protest, so who will go against the cop!
      Now, it’s half past midnight, and drug addicts already howl on the stub of the site (there are no more slides). They don’t give a damn what they hear and maybe even see a policeman. And he does not care about them. Such kind, human stability.
      All forum users good night!
      1. DEDPIHTO
        DEDPIHTO 30 October 2019 05: 47
        0
        Thank God we have practically none of this in the North (I only saw syringes at the entrance once in Arkhangelsk), because our population is conservative Russian, adheres to the traditional way of life, relax with vodka and moonshine, at the same time warm up and are within reasonably good limits for appetite. of course. But the central and southern regions yes, the guard with drug addiction and Russians are greatly diluted by Caucasians and Asians, as they say with whom you will lead ... Twenty years ago I was in St. Petersburg, where I saw jerks for the first time, it so wildly seemed that what was going on in Moscow and the Moscow Region where all the money was concentrated .. belay
  11. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 29 October 2019 15: 39
    +11
    Of course it threatens .. the ruler is decrepit, but does not leave. Competitors cleans. And the environment behind him, as he grows decrepit, does his job, blaming responsibility on the ruler. This is a classic. The normal transfer of power is what destroyed the USSR.
  12. Loess
    Loess 29 October 2019 15: 41
    0
    Strange, it’s like no war, but it’s about surrender

    tighten belts, help the home state to withstand an unequal battle ...
    The Soviet Union, I recall, did not survive.

    How did this Union not survive? There was no war ...
    War ... It is sometimes also called a "great game", it did not begin with us and it will not end with us. Spain, Portugal, Holland, France, England - all at one time played this game ... How many lands were controlled. Does a lot depend on them now? They exchanged leadership under the "blows of fate" for a well-fed, calm life ... As a result, they were "cut off" from all sides, there is nowhere else ...
    Happiness, as they say, is free for all
    Not so for nothing, but ...
    this is a very dangerous game

    What will remain of Russia if we decide to repeat their path? Something I do not like this prospect ...
    Russia needs a new and young president. Like Putin was in 2000.
    Here, the main thing is not to make a mistake, not to bring into power someone like Gorbi or Boris ...
  13. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 29 October 2019 15: 43
    +7
    Russia needs a new and young president. Like Putin was in 2000. When there was nowhere worse.
    Not the "old new" type of Medvedev, Shoigu, Volodin, but simply new. Young and ambitious. Otherwise, we will be waiting for a repetition of the past in the 80 years of the last century.

    Russia needs a new economic system - not feudal-oligarchic-speculative capitalism, but socialism, renewed, like any other formations (taking into account the realities of the time).
    At the same time, we are destined to further impoverish the poor and build up the capital of the rich. We cannot spend 3 rubles on recapitalization of banks, we cannot feed only thieving officials and governors, we cannot constantly keep the economy on the raw material needle and keep domestic industry in a black body.
    The country makes money and does not increase its GDP so that a handful of nouveau riche people hang out at European gatherings, St. Petersburg economic forums and other events, treating their own people, like suckers, like beggars, having prepared for them the fate of disenfranchised slaves whose joy is paradise life after of death...
    And who will be the president there - Putin or Rasputin, a young man or a man of mature years - is not so important - let the people decide for themselves.
    hi
    1. The popuas
      The popuas 29 October 2019 16: 06
      +5
      Putin or Rasputin .... interesting good
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 29 October 2019 16: 10
      -8
      so he decides. someone will come better than him and choose. and the change to socialism ... well, where did it take root? where did he develop something and bear fruit? call it Eldorado already that would want to live the same?)
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 29 October 2019 16: 36
        +3
        Quote: carstorm 11
        call it Eldorado already that would want to live the same?)

        You know, very many (and I among them) want to return the socialist path of development of Russia (like the USSR) with amendments and changes to the device ... yes Then there are two questions for you:
        1. Tell me the capitalist Eldorado, where the economy is developing in the Russian scenario and would like to live in it?
        2. When can life in Russia be compared with life in that Eldorado, which exists somewhere and where we have all been led for 30 years (almost)?
        belay
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 29 October 2019 16: 54
          -10
          I did not say where. I said the same thing again. the more I asked about socialist. secondly, where did the USSR lead us and where did it lead us for more than 70 years? and here you are about 30 with something going through it two. but what you want to return is dead. he is not there. it was necessary to change then and not now want to conduct another experiment on the country.
        2. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 29 October 2019 17: 01
          -8
          And here is the Russian scenario of capitalism? I like the Scandinavian model more. Not Eldorado, of course, but we cannot compare it with socialism in our performance.
      2. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 29 October 2019 16: 58
        -7
        Well, how about: DPRK, Cuba, Venezuela and other highly developed countries.
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 October 2019 18: 28
      -8
      There will be no capitalization of banks, there will be no loans, there will be no loans - there will be no production in all areas. Speculative capitalism is the basis of all markets - Russia is in the market, the other thing is that these guys need control.
  14. Nikolai Petrov
    Nikolai Petrov 29 October 2019 15: 44
    +5
    It is not clear about "stagnation". But another "perestroika-skirmish" (God forbid) is on the horizon.
  15. andrei2911
    andrei2911 29 October 2019 15: 55
    +13
    Good article, but one "but". The country is not stagnating, but stagnation in the economy, degradation of industry, destruction of small business and a drop in living standards ...
  16. samarin1969
    samarin1969 29 October 2019 16: 00
    +17
    The stagnation has already come. Propaganda works with a complete separation from reality, as in the 70s.
    It's hard to judge by the economy and the army. The information is closed. Geologists and foresters don't seem to panic. There is also a "resource".
    The local elites are quietly collecting controlled "rent". "Telman Khorenovichi" do not particularly shake them. The population is used to the life-long "Politburo". In foreign policy, we bring freedom to Africa and the Arabs.
    Why not the USSR? laughing
    1. UserGun
      UserGun 29 October 2019 16: 40
      +18
      Quote: samarin1969
      Why not the USSR?


      Quite rightly noticed. I’ll add that in terms of propaganda by the insane, the current hand has surpassed even the USSR)))

      “By 2020, Russians will receive an average of $ 2700 a month, have at least 100 square meters per family of three, and the middle class will comprise more than half the population. At the same time, annual inflation will drop to three percent, " 2008, article "In 12 years Russia will get off the" oil needle ", based on the" Concept of socio-economic development of Russia until 2020 " laughing

      And so everything remained the same. Sadly, but another ten years of such "modernizations", "reforms" and "import substitutions", coupled with unfulfilled promises and total replacement of concepts with outright lies, will again exceed the critical mass and the 90s will seem like flowers, because Nobody will give the hillock, remembering everything.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 29 October 2019 18: 34
        -12
        In 2008, there was a global financial crisis that hit the Russian economy just as well, the next 2014th hit our economy harder: sanctions, a sharp drop in investments, blocking sales markets, a sharp break in ties between suppliers and so on - and this all still works, of course, that in such conditions there can be no question of any decent economic growth.
        1. depressant
          depressant 29 October 2019 20: 30
          +4
          You see, colleague Vadim237, the onset of another and, as they say, a particularly destructive economic crisis, the world economy expects next year. And yes, in connection with this, the Kremlin slightly opened its eyes, blocked by Rosstat and the pool of magazine hangers-on, and saw steam rising from the country boiling over the country. And these are not walking rallies in Moscow. He slashed it, attended to it, and began to send signals to the almost uncontrollable people that it was ready to reformat the economic bloc of the government. The signals were the new appointments of old domestic political characters in the faces of Kozak, Babich and Glazyev. You see, besides laughter, such figures, long spent by moths, can not cause anything. Especially positive changes in the economy within the framework of the established practice of putting everything and everything to foreign owners should not be expected. Who was late, that did not have time. So, in a situation of chronic delay in bold decisions, in fact, their absence --- old horses spoil the furrow, spoil! Or, which is more likely, they are already slipping at its beginning. But Putin does not know this. He lives the same filling of the proverb. Appointed and calmed down. You can swim in the African rays of glory - a little honor, but warm.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 30 October 2019 00: 57
            -8
            Russia is ready for this crisis gold reserves of 540 billion dollars and another national welfare fund of more than 8 trillion rubles - enough for five crisis years.
  17. Catfish
    Catfish 29 October 2019 16: 01
    +18
    But what threatens there, they are already stuck in full, only the uryakalka do not understand that as a result it threatens the same explosion as in the nineties. It is important for them "to be quiet now" ...
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 29 October 2019 20: 38
      +3
      But in 90, just the explosion did not happen except for attempts to save the situation in 1993
  18. armata_armata
    armata_armata 29 October 2019 16: 17
    +16
    Russia needs a new and young president. Like Putin was in 2000

    or maybe all the same a normal president is needed, and not Gorbachev-Yeltsin-Putin?
    1. UserGun
      UserGun 29 October 2019 16: 42
      +4
      By the way, all former communists.
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 29 October 2019 17: 02
        -9
        This is the trouble. I will say more: EP is a rebranding of the CPSU.
        1. UserGun
          UserGun 29 October 2019 17: 21
          +4
          Therefore, until the generation of the former, real commies dies out, there is no progress in terms of a real breakthrough and, most importantly, a real increase in the well-being of citizens for whom this state exists, nothing "breakthrough" and nothing. These are people of that era who, apart from the thirst for power and cheap show-off, which are the result of such power, know nothing more. And for this, all means are good, and the most disgusting for me is lies and changing shoes in flight, promising mountains of gold and jelly shores. And oddly enough, our giant of thought, the father of Russian democracy and part-time the leader of the cranes, succeeded most of all in this.
          1. Kronos
            Kronos 29 October 2019 18: 23
            +8
            Communists have not been in power for 30 years, but liberals are all to blame
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 29 October 2019 18: 28
              -7
              You are mistaken, now the Communists are in power. Many of them were members of the CPSU and their former habits. There are no former communists.
  19. Yegorchik
    Yegorchik 29 October 2019 16: 40
    +14
    "How Romanov, Rokhlin and Budanov were thanked, probably should not be remembered." Why not? Putin is behind Rokhlin's death and Budanov's surrender to the Chechens.
    1. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 29 October 2019 19: 38
      -7
      Rokhlin was killed in 1998, however, where does Putin ????
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 30 October 2019 18: 37
        -1
        Read books and listen to the network of the former Yeltsin’s minister, Poltoranin, and you’ll understand where Putin was there.
  20. Barmaleyka
    Barmaleyka 29 October 2019 16: 48
    +14
    unfortunately before Brezhnev's "stagnation" we are like China on all fours
  21. Radikal
    Radikal 29 October 2019 17: 11
    +8
    Quote: Egorchik
    "How Romanov, Rokhlin and Budanov were thanked, probably should not be remembered." Why not? Putin is behind Rokhlin's death and Budanov's surrender to the Chechens.

    yes yes yes hi
  22. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 29 October 2019 17: 14
    +13
    Putin has done a great job: he kept the country on the verge of complete collapse and collapse. This merit cannot be forgotten or underestimated. But on the other hand, having kept the country, he left it about there. Not far from the fatal line.

    Can not argue with that...
    The author is right, but there is only one caveat - progress really ended not after Crimea, but in 2008, with the onset of the crisis. But these are the details
  23. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 29 October 2019 17: 15
    +4
    In order to express something about positive changes, reforms should be carried out in such a way that the majority of citizens feel an improvement in their lives, and not contemplate the whims of rich "Buratins" ...
  24. Doliva63
    Doliva63 29 October 2019 17: 17
    +12
    the author is kidding. Was Brezhnev’s stagnation designed to preserve the remains of what was created and built earlier, and Putin’s stagnation — the remnants of stolen and sold? laughing
    But stagnation will not work - under capitalism there will always be those who want to earn money on you or your business, no matter what it costs you.
  25. faterdom
    faterdom 29 October 2019 17: 22
    +11
    Kazakhstan to invent some kind of furious title in order to leave Putin in power.

    Elbasy of the Russian Federation!
    In general, the rubicon was not quite right - it was not the Crimea, and not the 14th year. Despondency in the economy, a decline in the standard of living and, at the same time, the dollar kuras began in 2008. And not because of Georgia.
    And when, in the global crisis, we decided to help banks, because they are the blood of the economy, and they will help all others!
    They made a mistake, the banks did not help any economy, but began to stupidly buy foreign currency for this state aid in order to weld themselves on the growth of the exchange rate, which they themselves were developing by their demand.
    And since then the cycle of these substances in nature - grefs, curls, golikovy and nabiulins - has continued, with the same efficiency. That is, these people could not then, and there is no reason that they can something now.
    But are there no others? And this - looking in whose head ... In whose - no, but in the other, you look - there is.
    And now a worthy end to the Putin era will be the promotion of a truly new person, a patriot, not bound by the old liberal dogmas and obligations, and not from the clan of "fellow countrymen", and so as not to be devoured halfway. Our guarantor is capable of this, and in essence, more from him is no longer needed. Then he received sincere gratitude from the people and a place in history among the great rulers.
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 29 October 2019 17: 34
      +5
      No, he cannot afford other people in the circle.
    2. Vladkr
      Vladkr 29 October 2019 19: 04
      +4
      No patriot successor needed. People should have power (referendum on key issues), and who will do the will of the people is not so important. And in general - there are no irreplaceable people, all will die once.
  26. Nonna
    Nonna 29 October 2019 17: 47
    +5
    This is no longer stagnation. This is a complete failure. As the saying goes, maybe Putin started for health, but he ends up with a grave. So it would be okay himself - together with his fellow comrades-in-arms and other Sobchakites (no one would have cried) - he would go there (to "paradise") and he wants to take all the people. Where is his spiritual mentor? I would explain to my flock that it is time for him to think about his soul. And better than a man's monastery or a hermit's cell - not to find.
  27. effect
    effect 29 October 2019 17: 55
    +5
    Quote: Greg Miller
    Today we can only dream of such a "stagnation" as in the time of Brezhnev ...

    That's right!
  28. Sergst
    Sergst 29 October 2019 18: 00
    +7
    It seems to me that stagnation (he's stagnation, he's problems, he's ...) did not begin in 2014, but 5-6 years earlier. So there is already the second decade of stomping on the spot. It’s sad.
    Hmm, while writing a message, others have already written the same thing. Excuse me!
  29. Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 29 October 2019 18: 10
    +6
    To compare life in the USSR under Brezhnev and the current oligarchic clowning can either be a provocateur or a completely stupid person. As always, half-lies, half-truths, and as a result, as always, a verified portion of toxic substance in the brain.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 29 October 2019 18: 29
      -14
      Now it’s better at times than under Brenenosets. And do not compare.
  30. Ehanatone
    Ehanatone 29 October 2019 18: 40
    +2
    "Russia needs a new and young president. Such as Putin was in 2000"
    "Young and ambitious"
    Something like an advertisement:
    I am changing my old wife for 40, with all amenities, for 2 to 20! ... good
  31. serge siberian
    serge siberian 29 October 2019 19: 05
    +8
    The stagnation has already been in fact since 2008. You cannot stand at the helm for two shifts in a row, and after that also help in the third, after which you will again be at the helm. The president has his own reserve, personal reserve, where the list is very decent and not a little honest. But they don’t like honest people there. And the list of people is not only honest, but also thinking. But they don’t honor either.
    And over the past three years, I have lost at least eight thousand cent in wages. This is for the same amount of work. That's how we live.
    PS And I go to the polls all the time and didn’t vote for Yeltsin or Putin with edros. It’s time to change all of them. hi
  32. Vadim237
    Vadim237 29 October 2019 19: 07
    -10
    "And what difference does it make to an ordinary man in the street who or what is the reason? World oil prices, a complete overwhelming of the budget with money, so there was enough for everyone, effective work of the president and government?" In general, until 2008, everyone, or almost everyone, felt the complete blockage of the budget with money - but now there is no such blockage. The budget surplus is only 1,6 - 1,8 trillion rubles, next year the budget will be in the region of 20 trillion, but at the same time, in Russia, the depreciation of all funds is 50% - 86 trillion rubles are needed for their restoration, by 2024 all 46 million pensioners need to raise to 24000 rubles, to fulfill the "May Decrees" is another 13 trillion rubles from the budget, the salaries of all teachers and nurses, of whom 2,5 million in Russia need to be raised to 45000 rubles a month, an additional 1,7 trillion is needed a year, and so on. But everyone understands perfectly well that with a budget of 20-24 trillion, it is not realistic to do all this, for this you need a GDP of more than 200 trillion rubles, two more than now, with the corresponding annual budgets of 40 trillion or more, and this is a problem for more than one decade with current growth rates of the economy and the corresponding external factors inhibiting it, and whoever comes after Putin - he and his new government will definitely not cope with this task quickly. The thorny path continues and will continue for a long time - it remains only to be measured, since economic magic wands as well as spells do not exist.
    1. UserGun
      UserGun 29 October 2019 20: 52
      +9
      I’ll just remind you that 20 years !!! to sit in power, holding on to it exclusively by handing out elephants and false promises, obtaining in this way a credit of trust, about @ being everything that was. Why does the power of others change regularly and planned without shocks ?! What kind of country is this that is tied to one king? Why such a power ?! And if tomorrow the moon-faced PU skates discarded ?! All sailed ?! Why call cmИto fight with what the king does, in the name of what ?! Pension "reform", through and through false Concept of socio-economic development of Russia until 2020 ?! Nameplates in Russian, bashfully pasted in place of foreign ones ?! Wunderwaffle pulled out of a dusty chest for everyone to be afraid ?! Now, even the blind and the distant have begun to see how they have them in full, N-I-Ch-E-G-O not giving in return, but only taking away the latter.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 30 October 2019 01: 27
        -10
        The concept of 2020 socio-economic development of Russia did not work - since the two crises broke all plans, the latter still breaks. Remember on the part of the authorities, all promises are purely documented in nature - promises are initially overstated, they will be fulfilled only in ideal economic conditions. And no one is tying up with Putin, well, he will die tomorrow, part of the population will rejoice the fifth column will dance with happiness, the other part will be sad, the new president will come, that will change in the economy - nothing, the problems described above will remain, you can do not put up with it - just where are you going to get away from it?
  33. Shelest2000
    Shelest2000 29 October 2019 20: 20
    +13
    Does Russia Another Brezhnev Stagnation?

    What does it mean "Is it threatening ..." Yes, it is in full swing and the worst version of Brezhnev! Then, even though the country was developing, at least somehow, people's salaries were growing, enterprises were being built, ships, planes flew into space without looking back to the West. And now .... 19 years of insanity, theft, lawlessness of bureaucracy and persons close to the body and sliding into the abyss. (hand face)
  34. faterdom
    faterdom 29 October 2019 20: 37
    +2
    Quote: Vladkr
    No patriot successor needed. People should have power (referendum on key issues), and who will do the will of the people is not so important. And in general - there are no irreplaceable people, all will die once.

    Everything is exactly the opposite. Patriot is definitely needed. Power is nowhere! and never! was not with the people. And it will not - no need to be mistaken, and walk in a circle for this carrot. This is profanity. Neither in ancient republican Rome, nor in the USSR, nor in the USA - anywhere and never! Both there and there officially propagandized that the power belongs to the people, and there, and there it belonged to a limited number of people from this people.
    Almost everything in a socialized society depends on who exactly and how it will govern (even on behalf of the people). (We don’t take Agafya Lykova into account - the fact is not significant. Khambalam Itygelov, who is either alive or dead for one hundred years, is also).
    We will all die. Once upon a time. And for some reason. And this "when" and why "is very different.
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 30 October 2019 18: 45
      -3
      Why, for example, in Italy, referendums are held on all major issues? But we are not allowed to hold a referendum.
  35. 7,62x54
    7,62x54 29 October 2019 22: 52
    0
    In a word # enough #
  36. 1970mk
    1970mk 30 October 2019 00: 13
    +2
    Quote: Nyrobsky
    Russia received an undeniable advantage in the Black Sea, which is not measurable at all, t

    Sorry ... in the days of the USSR, the Black Sea Fleet of the USSR (incomparably more Strong, like all the armed forces then) was not considered as strategic something. Tactical group in a closed area. No more
    1. gvozdan
      gvozdan 30 October 2019 08: 08
      +1
      Probably because the squadron was on duty in Middle East, Georgia, Ukraine and Moldova were part of the union of Romania and Bulgaria and were in the social camp. Turkey knew its place.
    2. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 30 October 2019 11: 52
      0
      Quote: 1970mk
      Quote: Nyrobsky
      Russia received an undeniable advantage in the Black Sea, which is not measurable at all, t

      Sorry ... in the days of the USSR, the Black Sea Fleet of the USSR (incomparably more Strong, like all the armed forces then) was not considered as strategic something. Tactical group in a closed area. No more

      Well, since the collapse of the USSR, the situation is now completely different, don’t you? Then access to the Black Sea was only one country that was part of the NATO bloc - is Turkey, and now? Now, in addition to Turkey, NATO has come to sea from the territory of Bulgaria and Romania + two geopolitical sixes Georgia and Ukraine are used by mattresses for the regular presence of their ships in the World Cup.
      1. 1970mk
        1970mk 30 October 2019 14: 11
        0
        What you say does not change anything .... the purely tactical Fleet of a closed water area .... Missile cruisers and submarines are not needed for a war with Georgian or Ukrainian boats ... I repeat, a closed water area implies the inevitable death of the fleet, whatever it is was not.
  37. Rimlianin
    Rimlianin 30 October 2019 03: 27
    +2
    It's simple - you need funds for a jerk. And more. Nobody will lend. Gold and foreign exchange reserves and funds cannot be spent, this is for a "rainy day". The people have no money, big business and state corporations have, but they don't have to touch them, they are their own. Plus the fear of "whatever gets worse." After all, since there are no competent personnel in management, some hangers-on, careerists and someone's sons, they can twist this ... So we are marking time ...
  38. nikvic46
    nikvic46 30 October 2019 06: 06
    0
    Quote: Lannan Shi
    Quote: AS Ivanov.
    In the era of Brezhnev, the current elite was born. And the power with crime has grown together.

    And in the elevator with the rat rats start up. So the seed is evil. Burn the grain and blow up the elevator. However, she was late with recommendations. Already burned.

    Please provide examples.
  39. nikvic46
    nikvic46 30 October 2019 06: 13
    +5
    Each society can be called differently. Primakov set a good example during the default. He recruited a government command not by party affiliation. This was not before or after. It’s been known for a long time that every government begins to bronze. Business competition, not screaming, is what will pull us into the future.
  40. Alexey LK
    Alexey LK 30 October 2019 06: 30
    +1
    In my opinion, the author has not fully decided whether he pushes the thought, or presses on emotions. It is completely incomprehensible how the personality, let alone age, the president and stagnation are connected? Has the standard of living stopped growing? And where is it now, has it been growing for the last 2-3 years? Almost everything that could be squeezed out of the resource economy was squeezed out (taking into account the real level of efficiency of public administration, of course). To move on, one must delve into the "international division of labor", i.e. so that in addition to raw materials, someone else would buy something, such as airplanes, for example. But this is foreign policy, where the main attention is now directed. And there is fierce competition, tk. everyone wants to "buy raw materials, sell finished products." The markets are divided. Worldwide production capacity is surplus. And the global financial mega-crisis is peaking. So why is stability bad under these conditions? Maybe it's better to strengthen the borders while there is still time? Not so much Iskander as an ordinary thorn ... It will not be stable everywhere ...
    1. Rimlianin
      Rimlianin 30 October 2019 08: 35
      +4
      Why do you think that Russia can develop only by selling something from the outside? We have a market of the Eurasian Union of 200 million people, which is quite capacious. We are not some kind of Lithuania. Take a look around the store: if everything or almost everything that is sold there is of Russian, Kazakh, Belarusian production and no "made in China"? Imagine how many industries will open in the country, how the real economic growth will begin, and not the one that is within the margin of error. But for this we need to deal with protectionism, but the WTO does not order us. Our government will not revise its participation in this organization, because membership in it plays into the hands of oil and gas exporters (we have other imports with a gulkin's nose). And WTO participation only harms the domestic producer. Only the Communist Party says that it is necessary to leave the WTO or revise the terms of membership in it, so draw your own conclusions, gentlemen.
      1. Alexey LK
        Alexey LK 1 November 2019 16: 56
        0
        1. They buy from outside and sell outside. 2. The current level of scientific and technological development is such that it is unrealistic to produce everything independently, primarily for economic, not technical reasons. It's just not profitable. Therefore, one cannot do without foreign trade. This is the basics of economics, read. 3. The Eurasian Union is precisely, among other things, an attempt to ensure a comfortable foreign trade regime. 4. But the above, of course, does not negate the fact that it is possible and necessary to develop our own production. You just don't have to fall into the level of some simpletons who say something like "in Russia they don't even produce their own irons." And not necessarily! 5. The WTO question is not so straightforward. Oil and gas were sold outside the cordon before joining the WTO. The Russian Federation did not enter on the worst terms - Ukraine did it on much worse. But yes, the issue is ripe, not only about the WTO - the system as a whole needs to be revised, it already does not suit even the Americans.
        1. Rimlianin
          Rimlianin 1 November 2019 18: 18
          0
          Of course, one cannot do without foreign trade, where did I say the opposite? But you yourself write that international markets are divided. And as a high-tech industrial chain of the international division of labor, no one expects us anywhere. Only as a supplier of cheap resources. For this we were taken to the WTO. But the share of raw materials in the final product is 10-15%, the rest is technology and human capital. So, for the economic breakthrough, you need to pay attention to the domestic market. Not only is it capacious, but it also needs literally everything - machines, equipment, pipes for a worn communal apartment.
          1. Alexey LK
            Alexey LK 1 November 2019 18: 39
            +1
            So have you already done so - have you heard about "import substitution"? With all its shortcomings, is this not an indicator of attention to the domestic market? When I wrote that the markets are divided, I hinted that it would be necessary to redistribute them, but this cannot be done right away. And the raw materials were bought immediately. Capital needs profitability, and it goes where sales (markets) can provide it. High-tech production without state support is developing slowly and difficult, and state support is not enough for everything at once. So you can only discuss in detail the priority of the directions of state support - everything else is going on as usual, and you can't think of something special here. Although, of course, unique private traders sometimes make breakthroughs - so who is against? Suggest if you have anything! And protectionism, although sometimes useful, is not a panacea at all.
  41. ZAV69
    ZAV69 30 October 2019 07: 49
    +2
    When Vova stood at the helm, he was practically not known to anyone. So the new president should not be known to anyone. Let it be from the FSB or come from the bowels of the defense, it does not matter. The main thing is that those that are now like the opposition would not get to the helm.
  42. gvozdan
    gvozdan 30 October 2019 08: 04
    +5
    In Switzerland, 200 years as a stagnation.
  43. Million
    Million 30 October 2019 08: 55
    +4
    Putin has done a great job: he kept the country on the verge of complete collapse and collapse.

    Yes, the loot with his homies began to earn, that's all.
  44. Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 30 October 2019 10: 15
    +3
    The article is strange, you can call it a historical reference. And if you look and analyze from the other side. Could the gdp create and build a socially just state - MTF and even had to do it, even promised to do it. And stagnant processes began somewhere in 2003, normal, smart specialists, politicians, analysts talked about this. Pay attention to the authorities, people like Primakov were removed, and some clowns were put in chairs, the St. Petersburg team came, where there was the main principle, devotion to the body, an example of a miller in Gazprom, etc., while the team is not very professional, aimed at making money first of all. PRINCIPLES WHICH WORK AND NOW. When you needed a team of the highest professionals, honest, devoted to the PEOPLE and the FATHERLAND. This has not been done. And the current stagnation, a failure in domestic politics, in particular in the economy, personnel and other areas, comes from there. No one has canceled the role of personality in history, and Stalin, Roosevelt, and Lee Kuan Yu are examples of this. People who put the INTERESTS of their PEOPLE, COUNTRY, their well-being and prosperity at the forefront. Unfortunately, Putin did not go this route, that’s the answer to stagnation.
  45. turbris
    turbris 30 October 2019 11: 35
    0
    If the "breakthroughs" in socio-economic development depended only on the president's youth, then there would be only young presidents all over the world, but this is not observed. Therefore, there is no need for "breakthroughs", we have already gone through this, we need a progressive, systematic development of the country, so after 2024, a successor president should appear who would continue the course of stable development.
  46. Dmitry Lyakh
    Dmitry Lyakh 30 October 2019 12: 13
    +4
    I read some reviews on the article. It is a pity that the main message of the article is eroded by private philistine memories. When Brezhnevsky stagnation was comfortable and easy? Yes, of course, but gray bureaucrats crawled to power. Now everything is repeating itself. Bureaucracy in power squared. Compounded by massive digitalisation. The law is above moral standards. The system is ossified and resembles an impenetrable wall. Only this is not a reinforced concrete wall, as it might seem, when viewed from the outside. This is a wall of dried shit. It will crumble at the first severe hurricane. Yeltsin, with all his flaws, did the main thing, found young Putin and was able to leave a comma after himself. Will current Putin be able to find a young receiver who will pull the country out of the quagmire? I think the further this supreme issue drags on, the more difficult it is to solve it. Ideally, it was necessary to introduce it in 2018. In 2024 it will be more difficult and there will be no right to make a mistake. The price is Russia, so that the history of the USSR would not be repeated.
    1. Samum
      Samum 31 October 2019 04: 30
      -3
      Repeat !!! Already now, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, knowing that many motorists have appeared among people, are ordering certain AFTA affiliates to write articles in which they are already trying to whitewash current and future motorists and prepare people's minds that they will soon justify (of course for the money) those who bring down people and especially children, so to speak, an income item already being worked out.
      So those who bought the rights have nothing to fear "otmazhut" !!!!!
      The people can’t stand it and will collapse again, but already the Russian Federation.
  47. Earnest
    Earnest 30 October 2019 13: 47
    0
    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    Grant costs about 400 sp. Just one tenth of the salary, even less. I personally do not know a single person with a salary below 40. More - as much as you like.

    What are your prosperous acquaintances ... But for example, my father-in-law is a driver with many years of experience, 65 years old, pension 13, he also works as a driver in ... what kind of office has replaced Slavyanka in servicing parts of the Moscow region, I don't know already. Salary 000.
    1. turbris
      turbris 31 October 2019 10: 54
      0
      Why are you moving away from the topic, we are discussing an article, and you are talking about cars and drivers, if you want to talk about this topic - write a post on this topic.
  48. Reklastik
    Reklastik 30 October 2019 16: 19
    -1
    [quoteToday, many have embarked on the path of criticism. Not without reason, it should be noted, stood up [/ quote]. Served Gavril baker, Gavril baked a bun laughing
  49. nnz226
    nnz226 30 October 2019 20: 27
    +2
    But it is not necessary to raise the period of stagnation to the rank of holiness! A simple example: the city of Rybinsk, Yaroslavl Region, where NPO Saturn makes aircraft engines and mastered the production of ship turbines, in which we were denied dill, lived near the Vympel plant, which Komety does for Sevastopol. 1964 my first class, my mother sends to the store for butter. And there is a choice: real "Vologda" - 3,80 rubles, just creamy - 3,60 rubles, creamy salty - 3,50 rubles, and chocolate - 3 rubles. plus 40-3 varieties of cheese. With sausage and meat, the truth was bad, rarely flickered, immediately disassembled. The child grew and grew and went to grade 4 (10) and in the same store there is no horseradish, no butter, no cheese, sausage and meat are not even mentioned. I entered the Leningrad shipbuilder in the same year and, on my way home for the holidays, was carrying a whole travel bag of food. The same butter, cheese, sausage, etc. As they said then: "The starving Volga region". So that's - stagnation ...
  50. faterdom
    faterdom 30 October 2019 20: 53
    0
    Quote: Fan-Fan
    Why, for example, in Italy, referendums are held on all major issues? But we are not allowed to hold a referendum.

    You may not be aware ... But after the Second World War, the Communists were very influential and strong in Italy. Really claimed power. But the Americans staged the country through crude blackmail and terror. Democratic. And without a referendum.